WITH S2 fansubbing policy
The admins of the fansubbing group WITH S2 asked if I could post up a notice of their recent decision to stop subtitle releases temporarily, and I thought I’d also take the chance to explain the stance a bit. It’s quite frustrating to see people who don’t understand the situation just jump to the conclusion that WITH S2 doesn’t have a good reason for their actions. Trust me, it does.
I’m a member of the group, but I’m not speaking FOR the admins, just expressing what I hope clears up possible confusion. (Read: Please don’t email me to protest/complain/rant!)
The group’s announcement:
We have warned everyone repeatedly on the issue of hardsubbing & streaming our subs.
We sincerely appreciate everyone’s efforts to spread the drama love, but we’re growing increasingly frustrated, not to mention worried, over our repeatedly ignored requests not to upload our material to Veoh, Youtube and other streaming sites.
Perhaps you guys aren’t aware of the problems facing WITH S2, but the flagrant disregard for our requests puts us in an increasingly vulnerable position as a fansubbing group. We don’t want to be shut down (which is something we are in constant threat of) and if our rules are not honored, we may well be.
Therefore we once again make this request:
Please do NOT harsub & upload any of our subtitles to streaming sites.
If people do not comply, we will be forced to stop releasing our subtitles
for ALL our current projects until the request is met, full stop.We regret that we have to take such a drastic stance, but our requests have gone ignored for the past year. There’s not much more we can do to protect ourselves and to continue bringing these dramas to fans, but we believe that taking these precautions now will keep us operational for the long run. And we hope to keep bringing these dramas to English-speaking fans for a long time. Please help us by abiding by our rules.
Here’s the issue: WITH S2 translates and subtitles dramas, and releases “softsubs.” (Softsubs are text files that sync with the video, so you play both files simultaneously. WITH S2 does not put out “hardsubs,” which are videos that come with the subtitles already embedded into the file.)
Lots of well-meaning fans then take the WITH S2 translations, “hardsub” and upload them onto streaming sites like Youtube or Veoh. THIS IS BAD. The reason is not because WITH S2 is stupid or annoying or mean. (1) It’s disrespectful to the subbers’ wishes, but more importantly, (2) Fansubbing is not legal, and with the popularity of kdramas growing, legitimate companies have licensed the dramas for DVD releases outside of Korea.
That makes fansubbers a target — although fansubbers make no money, legally the companies have all the right to shut it down. Because WITH S2 is a prominent fansubbing group, it’s at constant risk and legal threat. When you put videos on Veoh, that exposes the group and makes it a big target.
To this end, WITH S2 has politely and repeatedly asked uploaders on many streaming sites to STOP UPLOADING their files. Many people assume that the uploaders have WITH S2’s permission, but that’s not true. The uploaders have basically ignored all polite requests to stop.
Which is why WITH S2 has decided that they will put a hold on their subtitle releases until the uploaders comply. (Personally, I think the fansubbers have been way too nice so far, but the admins are truly good-hearted people who just want to do their best to bring kdramas to English-speaking fans.)
WITH S2’s second-year anniversary is approaching (January 10), and the fansubbers would all love to celebrate the occasion by resuming sub releases. If you’re an uploader, please DO NOT UPLOAD WITH S2’s SUBS to any more streaming sites.
It might be annoying to have to figure out how to watch dramas without Youtube or Veoh, but trust me, it’s really not that hard. And some fans complain, “I don’t know how to do it! It’s too hard! I need Veoh!” Well, if we fansubbers can figure out how to download dramas, translate them, time them, edit them, release them, and provide the raw video files separately — surely you can learn how to watch them. (Soompi and d-addicts have detailed instructions.) Or buy the DVDs when they’re released officially.
WITH S2 is providing a SERVICE — a free, fast, reliable service. Fansubbers would like to keep providing the service, so we hope everyone can understand why this decision has been made. WITH S2’s wish is NOT to shut down drama-sharing — it’s to keep it alive for the long run. Please help by considering the bigger picture.
Without streaming sites, drama-watching may become less convenient, that is unfortunately true. But it’s better than shutting down fansubbing entirely — ’cause then you’ll have no dramas at all.
And finally, Emily from WITH S2 would like for me to extend the group’s best holiday wishes. On behalf of WITH S2:
Just a question…is Lyptika a member of With S2, or is she one of these uploaders who is ignoring your policies?
Just curious because I think some people might be confused as to whether anyone has specific authorization to upload series, or if just everyone is NOT allowed.
I actually only download the soft subs and put it together myself, so I totally understand the fansubber’s position. It’s not a huge request considering how much time and effort they put in, not to mention how much money and time we are saved from buying and waiting for all these dramas on DVD (so freaking expensive).
WITH S2 has asked EVERYONE uploading its subs to stop. Lyptika is not a WITH S2 member or affiliated with the group.
Yeah, I think WITH S2 have been AMAZINGLY patient with the veoh/youtube uploaders. I used to watch WITH S2’s dramas on veoh because it was convenient and I honestly thought that the uploader was a member of WITH S2. Now I’m better informed and maybe this post will help inform more people. If you read the comments of the subscribers to those veoh/youtube offenders you will see that most of them are pretty clueless about where the subs originate. I myself am clueless when it comes to clubbox and bt but there are so many super-nice people out there that provide direct downloads links. I haven’t missed any drama I’ve wanted to see since I stopped watching them streaming. Well, right now I sure am missing In Soon Is Pretty ep 10, lol, but I LOVE AND SUPPORT WITH S2 and will wait patiently for those rather thick-skinned uploaders to come around… and God bless us everyone!
“…is Lyptika a member of With S2, or is she one of these uploaders who is ignoring your policies?
Just curious because I think some people might be confused as to whether anyone has specific authorization to upload series, or if just everyone is NOT allowed.”
Lyptika is one of those uploaders blatantly ignoring WITH S2’s constant pleas. She is NOT a member of WITH S2. Tell her to STOP.
No wonder the progress report wasn’t getting updated at all for a little while now. Lol.
I used to not understand why fansubbing groups didn’t like hardsubbed files, and why it was THAT big of a deal to upload all these series onto streaming sites, but after I read about the legal conflicts awhile ago, I completely understand. I think most of the people uploading are just ignorant about the problems that fansubbing groups have to face. And, I agree, that they have given so many chances. I knew nothing would change, so this is definitely a good move (hopefully not too-too long though).
Everybody really needs to find out the real reason why fansub groups are pleading them to not upload the files instead of just brushing it off as “they’re being so strict about it”.
THERE’S A REAL REASON WHY FANSUB GROUPS DON’T WANT YOU TO DISTRIBUTE THE SUBS.
EVERY FILE THAT YOU UPLOAD JUST INCREASES THE RISK OF FREE SUBS GETTING SHUT DOWN.
I really hope more people will get it.
Hi, I totally understand and agree. I watch my stuff on veoh, on Lyptika and was wondering why it got so cold. I would like to support WITH S2. Just one thing can some one please explain how I can get the episodes I want to watch, d-addict doesn’t seem to work for me it’s really confusing. But I think with some help I’ll get the hang. Love this site been reading coffee prince since the very beginning. And I still love it. The first drama I ever watch was one and a half years ago and it was “stairway to heaven”.
Love k-drama
Sammie, from London. United Kingdom
It’s a shame that a small percentage of viewers have to do the wrong thing and ruin it for everyone else. As a fansubber, I don’t think I like seeing the work I put into helping with subbing dramas going down the drain just because fans can’t follow simple rules. The admins of WITH S2 are awesome people and it’s terrible that they always have this headache, so please everyone, support us by not uploading our subs onto streaming sites.
i totally understand and support WITHS2’s decision. they have been around a long time and giving us kdrama lovers a great service. they have been very good to us. i tried posting up a request too to pls help stop this. unfortunately not everyone listens. i hope people will because many other people are affected too. it’s just sad. pls people stop the uploading. we will loose fansubs all together if this keeps and you wont be able to see them at all.
Sigh…kinda knew this day was coming. I have mixed emotions because I am grateful to those who upload subtitled dramas. As a Mac user, I have never successfully downloaded from clubbox. Access to the RAWs, for me, seems to be a matter of scrounging around and trying to get there in time before links expire.
However, as a person who knows copyright law (from my work in a publishing company), I understand WITH S2’s rather dicey situation. Unfortunately, popularity invites scrutiny and fansubbers really need to try to fly under the radar. Their work is not always appreciated by the copyright holders, unless the producers of the program are complicit and view the subbing as free publicity for their project.
I have found that more people are now uploading the RAWs to kdramas on Veoh. Perhaps this could be a compromise for all concerned. Downloading from Veoh is fairly easy (much easier and quicker than any other, I have found) and you can use these files to view kdramas with the subtitles provided by WITH S2.
Javabeans …I absolutely love your site. Should have said it sooner.
if people took the time to list instructions to work out clubbox and torrents then it’s not that hard to google it and read it. if someone told me not to do something that they are putting out for free then i would at least put some effort into finding out why before bashing/disregarding the wishes. what it boils down to is laziness. not everyone starts out knowing everything but if there’s detailed instructions and you don’t even bother then that’s bullshit and whatsmore those people are killing it for those who are respecting the wishes. aaaaaaaaaarggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i’m getting pissed just thinking about it.
Tho I fully realized how it ill benefits the fansubbers, I must admit that a couple of times I watched dramas through Veoh (and yes, Lyptika), simply out of negligence and laziness. However, let me just say that I fully support WITH S2’s decision in not releasing subs temporarily. If you watch one of Lyptika’s hardsubs, she clearly and boldly and repeatedly displays WITH S2’s name (probably out of goodwill, to credit the group), but it actually exposes the group too much.
I agree with May, downloading through Veoh is very easy and the speed is really good too (especially with older dramas, total pains if you have to dl from CB). It would be a good idea to spread more and more RAWs through Veoh. I would make an effort to do this myself.
Anyways, all diplomatic talk aside, it’s so sad that we’ve got to get by without subs.
I really think it’s a good decision on WITH S2’s part. I’m really really grateful to the team, having subbed almost all the dramas I watched and even subbed ‘Person I Love’ which is, in my opinion, quite a feat… given that the series was such a blah. (and this coming from myself, a Kim Dongwan fan. haha)
I hope the uploaders would take a hint and to remove the videos and stop uploading completely.
I totally support With S2’s move to temporarily halt productions!
It’s just totally wrong to for some people to ignore warnings and continue to upload hardsubbed episodes to streaming sites.
If there is anything that we could do to help With S2 on this? I’ve been downloading softsubs and watching them with RAWs obtained from Soompi without problems for so long. I seriously don’t understand why some people insists it’s hard to do that and needs streaming hard subbed episodes. Either they are very very lazy or have an intelligence of a 6 year old. ( Heck, even a 6 year old could learn how to do what I’ve been doing ! )
i hate to admit that i used to watch many of my kdramas on lyptika and veoh. since i was so impatient even to wait for hardsubbed videos i just began downloading the softsubs from d-addicts and i completely understand WITH S2’s position on hardsubbing now. i used to be so ignorant and lazy about the whole subbing thing, but i’m glad i stumbled upon your website while watching coffee prince. now i have more of an understanding of fansubbing and all the problems and consequences that may occur due to ignorant and lazy kdrama viewers.
i tried downloading the program to sync the video and subs together but failed. even so, i just scroll down in notepad to follow along with the video and that’s not bad either so it’s another option for viewers to do if they don’t want to download a program.
on lyptika’s main page a lot of people have been requesting that lyptika remove all her hardsubbed videos so that’s a good start. i just hope everything gets back on track soon! i really love WITH S2 and appreciate the work all the members do to spread the love of kdramas.. happy holidays & happy new year to you all! =)
A question, I’ve been busy watching a lot of things from crunchyroll are they legit, becuase even if they have a lot of stuff that I really would like to watch I’ll stop in the name of WITH S2.
it’s understandable. i honestly liked reading your blog posts with the episode summaries over actually watching the actual show (you’re so good!).
I understand WithS2’s standpoint, and I would rather download the dramas, but my computer doesn’t support the flv files. I have tried many times to download those dramas, but I really can’t. If there’s no more streaming, then there are probably many people who wouldn’t be able to watch kdramas.
But, I will try to download again. Can you please post the link of the site that tells you how to download the dramas and put the subs together? Or, can you please explain it in your own words on here? Thanks!
I completely understand WITHS2’s decision for temporarily stopping the release of subtitles. I think they have been wayyy too nice to people who uploaders in streaming sites.
Honestly, it’s not that hard to download through clubbox. First of all, I am not Korean and do not speak, write, or understand Korean but I learned how to work through it. There are great tutorials in Soompi and the internet on how to download. Also, I don’t know how to download from Bittorent so I joined Soompi and found great resources there. You can find help everywhere if you just look and if you can’t, just ask. There are many great people who are willing to help fellow drama watchers.
After downloading dramas, I can’t stand watching dramas on streaming sites anymore. The video is way too small and the quality is just horrible. Plus waiting for the video to load is just annoying!
Minny:
Once you have the downloaded the .avi file and the .srt (softsubs), just rename them so they have the same names like kdrama.avi and kdrama.srt. Once you play the .avi file, the subtitles should show right away.
first of all, thanks S2. i totally understand you guys for doing this! I’m not a pro at this but just wondering, if u guys don’t put s2 on the dramas, those companies won’t know who to go after, is that better for preventing s2 from getting caught (with hardsub and softsub.)
i completely understand the measures WITHS2 has to take.
its really sad that a few people ruin it for the rest of us ::coughs::LYPTIKA::coughs::
but thats how it goes.
In brief, WITHS2, fighting! I sincerelly hope the people this measure is aimed at will stop very very soon…
I’m very grateful to WITHS2 for the subs : without the team I wouldn’t be able to enjoy all the k-dramas I was able to enjoy this past year.
I totally respect the decision that was taken and I support it, even if I hope it will be resolved shortly. I really don’t understand how people think they can use the subs as if they belonged to them…
PS : As for the “easiness” part, for the peoples who have trouble watching the raws subbed with the soft subs : with the nice AND free software VLC player, you can play the subs synched with the wideo by just telling VLC where both files are : no renaming, no putting in the same directory, no instaling any codec mandatory. It fast, it’s easy, it’s free, and it doesn’t go against WITHS2’s wishes…
Maybe we should all start learning Korean…
ariel, crunchyroll still has some WITH S2 hardsubs and even if it’s an old drama, if it’s been done by WITH S2, it’s best you don’t watch it.
steff, there is a way of syncing the subs so that it matches with the video without having to use any of those programs made for timing subs like Media Subtitler. If you use GOM Player, you can right click on the screen>subtitles>subtitles explorer. Open up the srt file with subtitles explorer (file>open) and say the first line says, “Hello,” click on that line and wait until the character says that, pause the video and go to sync in subtitle explorer and click on reset entire sync to the selected position. If the subtitles are still sort of out of place, you can use the two orange arrows to speed it up or slow it down until the subs appear the time you want them to.
Minny, flv files can be played with GOM Player. I don’t think you need any additional codecs to play flv files once you’ve installed GOM Player as it has internal codecs that work for it already. With a raw flv file, just rename so that the srt and flv files have the same name (or you could use the method described for steff in the above paragraph).
I highly recommend GOM Player as a video player or Media Classic if you’ve got the right codecs installed.
Thanks to the group for its hard work. I am a french fan and i have a blog on the subject.
I was allowed to bring in your article to warn french also french fans that might go against your rules : http://lifeofgege.over-blog.com/article-14911653.html
I hope to see your releases soon and we see stop its broadcasts without permission. A question for the site Soju and AZTV, this is also a diffusion ilégale your subtitle?
so we’re only allowed to post it on aznv.tv????
because seriously I tried downloading episodes from d-addicts,, but it never works. lmao.
Thanks for the info!
Philippa, not even azn.tv. The idea is that you DON’T POST HARDSUBS ANYWHERE. No one had permission to do it and no one should be doing it.
Philippa, there’s a Tech Support Forum to help out those having problems downloading from D-addicts. Feel free to make a post describing the exact nature of your problem so that it can be resolved. We have a very open tracker, so the problem is most likely something related to your network setup.
BTW, why isn’t there a more obvious announcement at D-addicts? Or did I miss something….
I feel that Kdrama fansubbers have always had it tougher than the Jdrama crowd (fewer translators, the lack of timed soft-subs, etc), and it’s even worse now with the new complication of licensing. As an alternative to the ppl who watch through streaming sites, maybe LQ raw files can help them transition into the whole idea of actually downloading the file. I think one reason many ppl don’t like downloading is because of a lack of computer resources (bandwidth, HD space, computer speed, codecs, etc…). Offering smaller of files of decreased quality, but are readily playable on older systems might be good transitional option for that population who favor streaming. I don’t know how effective this hold-out is going to turn out, but I wish you guys the best of luck!
It’s about time WITH S2 put its foot down. I say let them learn the hard way.
they have my support. seriously, WITH S2 has been so nice to us yet many still ignore their polite requests. I used to message those who uploaded hardsubbed WITH S2 files because I know WITH S2 policy but they just ignored my message.
Personally I don’t think it’s only a matter of laziness or ignorance on the part of viewers who go to streaming sites ( again I’m speaking about Lyptika [Gosh I'm so fed up with that name!] ), maybe you’ve got some that are simply ignorant as some of you said they were, but some are simply like ALL THE UPLOADERS on streaming sites, completely disrespectful of the team members.
If you’ve got a Mac you should know that Bittorent is available for Mac as well. Azureus which I use for instance has a Mac version. THERE’S ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE. Xvid files can be played easily if you can’t watch x264 ver as for the lack of space, just buy a an external Hard Disk. Yes, If you don’t have lots of money, you’ll have to sacrifice other things but at least no problem any more and you’ll finally be able to watch quality files.
Concerning the matter of resynching, I personally use “SubtitleEdit”, there’s an option that on the left that allows you to make all the sub lines appearing earlier or later.
Codec? Best I found is the CCCP Pack used by the anime community, they usually have the new codecs available first.
Feels I’ve been repeating that a lot lately, but I give my full support to WITH S2 and will wait patiently for the team to get back on track.
Here I’m quoting a little anecdote I wrote on In Soon’s thread on Soompi :
“That’s why they need to do forced vacation. You know if WITH S2’s members are contacted by companies because of streaming sites there won’t be any WITH S2 no more, meaning they’ll really be forced to stop their fansubbing activities. This may seem harsh but it is the only way to avoid being shutting down for real. So just be patient even if you’ve got to wait for a year, they wait.
That reminds me… There was an anime of 62 episodes I wanted to watch. The fansubbing team had asked people to stop asking when would be the next release. Nobody listened to them so they said each person asking equals 3 days of delay. You know what?
No leechers believed they would do it for real but they did. And no luck, I’m not the kind who complains, nor ask when is gonna be the next release… No other fansubbing team was doing that project. I waited and waited but there was always a new idiot asking when when when.
They still finished it… And do you know how long it took them?
6 Years.
But If you like you wait and you must be grateful because It may have been 6 years but it could have been NEVER.
So please be patient with WITH S2 they’re doing their best. Count the number of projects they do, two episodes a week to translate by projects, time, check. It’s no small work it’s ENORMOUS. You won’t see any anime fansubbing team doing that much.
Based on the speed subs usually come out, I’m pretty sure they don’t really know what private life means any more. It’s all for leechers and downloaders, that’s sacrifice for you.
Actually this decision was made at a good time, at least it allows them to rest for real during Christmas and the New Year.”
So here’s how to become really patient ^^
Merry Christmas and a Very Happy New Year to all team members ^^
I support WITH S2! All real drama fans should do the same! I use torrent to download raws and wait patiently for subs releases. I do not see the advantage to watch online as quality and streaming are not great. I can put my downloaded raw+sub files up to watch on my big screen TV. Better right?
THANKS FOR YOUR EFFORT, WITH S2 TEAM!
I support WITHS2’s decision. It’s sad some people ruin it for us who follow the group’s rules, but if they have to learn it the hard way, so be it.
When I first started downloading dramas I was so confused. I forced myself to understand how it all works–downloading RAWs, waiting for subs, etc. Once I got the hang of it I went on a downloading spree. Frankly, I don’t mind waiting for torrent or clubbox downloads. They might take a little long, depending on the number of seeders, but I really don’t like how videos look on streaming sites. Also, sometimes my connection is not good and waiting for videos to load takes a long time. It’s better for me to dl from D-Addicts and leave my BitTorrent client download then just watch when it’s done.
mizune has a good suggestion, and I agree with what she/he said: “As an alternative to the ppl who watch through streaming sites, maybe LQ raw files can help them transition into the whole idea of actually downloading the file. I think one reason many ppl don’t like downloading is because of a lack of computer resources (bandwidth, HD space, computer speed, codecs, etc…). Offering smaller of files of decreased quality, but are readily playable on older systems might be good transitional option for that population who favor streaming. I don’t know how effective this hold-out is going to turn out, but I wish you guys the best of luck!”
Another suggestion: some people might not be bothered at all to go to D-Addicts and I’m not even sure if the Tech section is updated (the one about downloading and watching torrent files, using softsubs, etc). I think someone else suggested you also put up a section on how to dl raw files and use softsubs. You do explain things clearly and maybe some people need a guide using simpler, less techie terms.
I owe a lot to WithS2 for all their hard work and dedication, and their generosity. Which is why I joined and have tried to give back what I can myself. And now I feel firsthand the frustration of asking people not to misuse our work and force us into a precarious position! The admins of WithS2 are wonderful, enthusiastic, patient people, and by repeatedly ignoring WithS2’s requests, these uploaders are doing no one a service
When I first started watching kdramas, I was no techie but it didn’t take me very long to figure out how and what to do. Its really not that difficult when you consider the HUGE amount of resources on Soompi, DAddicts, etc. Anyone will be willing to help you in the LARGE community of k-drama lovers. You just have to make an effort, fiddle around and be willing to learn. Even Javabeans has a wonderful resource page on where to watch. There are many different ways that one can stay loyal to fansubbers and still watch all your favorite shows, and just a little playing around will bring the most convenient method.
That said, if anybody is having any problems using softsubs, I’d be happy to help as much as I can, just email me via my blog. As a non-techie person, I’ve learned stuff the layman’s way and will be more than happy to pass on what I know to dissuade anyone from streaming sites.
When I first went to d-addicts several years ago, it was because I had heard about Kim Sam Soon and wanted to see it so badly. I knew absolutely nothing about downloading video files, playing them, or using softsubs. I spent a day or so reading all the FAQs, figuring out how bittorrents work and also how clubbox worked, then once I actually got the file, figuring out how to play it and use softsubs. Sure there was a learning curve, but within a few days, we were watching KSS, and I’ve been dling dramas ever since. If an ajumma like me can figure it out, certainly this younger crowd can handle it. LOL All the info and outside links you need are on d-addicts FAQ and tech threads. Plus, more and more I see links to direct dls for the video files on soompi. Really, it is not that bad!
I too used to think that streaming sites were awesome, and I was thrilled when they first started showing up on youtube, but reality really hit home for me this past year when YA very quickly brought a halt to licensed dramas being available on d-addicts. In a flash, fansubbing could be gone as well. I think #9’s comments are right on when she said that fansubbers need to fly under the radar. Obviously they know we exist, but our best hope to co-exist is to be as low-key as possible and stick to the softsubs. Thanks so much supporting WITH S2 everyone! And, as always, thanks javabeans for your blog.
Just wanted to say good on WITH S2, I also agree with everyone that they made the right move at this time. It might make the rest of us wait but to secure the future of fansubs it is all worth it in the end. Merry Christmas to all and speacial thanks to With S2 and javabeans for all the great work u guys do.
AAwww Why is it always a stupid bunch who ruins the fun for the rest of us?? *sighs and pouts*
But I support WITHS2 and hope that more people will start following the rules.
I feel sad that it seems there is anything we can do to stop this, because unfortunelly is up to the uploader decision to remove the videos…
Like everybody else i support WITH S2, and i hope people should really take this seriously and respect the fansubber decisions this time.
we can all help.. by spamming uploaders like lyptika..
how can one be so thick skinned?
getting praised and all by other users by uploading subtittled vidoes…
how pathetic… i am continiously monitoring her account …
i vow i will not stop until she stop…
I agree with everything everyone else had already said. It is frustrating to realize that the general populace doesn’t understand the ramifications of ignoring WITH S2’s request. There are always legal consequences, and it’s unfortunate that no one thinks about it. Someone mentioned the ‘big picture’ up above, and they’re right, it is generally ignored.
Yeah, it’s time to start learning Korean.
Oh, that’s really bad news…
Even a computer dummy like me have figured out how to use Clubbox, BitTorrent and play the videos with soft subs. I bet everybody can learn the stuff to enjoy the dramas without relying on the streaming sites. “When there’s a will, there’s a way!”
Thank you, WITH S2, for your awesome service all this time.
I wish you all a Merry Christmas too.
I can think of one “excuse” for preferring the hardsubbed versions: if you use a friend’s computer or a public-access one, viewing someone else’s upload to YouTube or Veoh (or other Flash/.flv purveyor) is about all you can do. Imagine a public library or a school letting someone install a BT client.
I’m not in that position (I recently initial-seeded most of one show, ffs) but thought I’d mention it. I do agree that WITH S2’s activities need and deserve courtesy from us consumers.
all my love and support to WITH S2… being a viewer i appreciate your hard work and most importantly the qualtiy of your translations… though we will lose out by you guys pulling out for while, i totally understand your stance and fully support it… i think everybody means well by trying to share with others, but theres no point in doing so if the source itself is going to be in danger… so guys, though it may be hard *sniff sniff *, i encourage you all to nicely “coach” anybody that isn’t complying to WITH S2…Don’t gang up on them either…virtual Insults and threats are immature no matter the reason…Take it easy guys and WITH S2 fansubbing team FIGHTING!
Need to confess - I followed Lyptika from YouTube to VEOH quite a while ago and was one of her biggest supporters… But that was before I became a member of d-addicts and learned about the soft sub/hard sub issue and finally understood that Lyptika wasn’t part of WITH S2 even though her name was in the credits. (She edits the credits when she hardsubs.) Now I completely support WITH S2 - especially now that I understand how vulnerable they are to legal action if their soft subs are made into hard subs.
My experience is very similar to julier (#34) - one day I just decided I didn’t want to depend on others to supply me with the dramas I was watching. I wanted to get them from the source myself. So, I spent several days figuring out bittorrents and subtitles files with only support forums for help. (No one around me uses macs or knows anything about bittorents.) Yes, there is a learning curve but if I can do it, then it is most certainly do-able for your average computer user. You just need to be willing to spend some time, effort and energy - which is a very small price to pay for accessibility to countless raw videos and WITH S2’s great subtitle files.
(Oh, and thanks, Dramabeans, for explaining the issue so clearly. Will be encouraging all my Kdrama buddies to read it!)
I have another question.
When you go to the page of a certain drama, which is being subtitled, they only have srt files there (those are only the subtitle files, right?) So, where do I download the actual episodes? Do I have to download the ones that says RAW on it, and combine those two? How does that work?
I understand and support WITH S2’s decision. But unfortunately, in reality, it is difficult to have uploaders abide by the request. Imagine my surprise when i spotted WITH S2- subbed DVDs being distributed in underground markets. Argh!
Would it be less of a file-sharing liability if WITH S2 include disclaimer in the body of the file? You know, something like a tag stating “Not for public distribution” (or something applicable) on the screen. Similar to the ones i have seen on movie copies for film critics. How about asking people to sign on-line disclaimers to not publicly upload hard-subbed copies onto streaming sites when they download the soft-subs (that it is for their individual use only)? It does not negate what you do (or prevent them from doing it) but may lessen what you are responsible for - action by mass-distributed hard-subbed uploaders.
Always appreciative of all fan subbers works. I hope that you are able to resolve the issue soon. I can’t even remember how it was before WITH S2 appeared on the K-drama scene. Thank you for all your works. Merry Christmas, everyone.
I agree with everyone!! I fully support WITHS2, I have already posted a comment on a certain VEOH user to ask her to stop! I know she means well…but I much rather figure out on my own how to watch softsubs then to not find ANY subs at all!!
THank you WITHS2 for all of your hard work! THank you Javabeans for your blogs…you’re awesome!! ^_^
WITH S2 i support you guys!
TTT___TTT how long are we gonna have to wait until the madness STOPS?!?!
not too long i hope….
i’ll learn how to upload what ever so that WITH S2 can still be able to release the k-dramas…… WITH S2 thank you for all of the hard work…..
aja aja fighting …^_^V
I truly appreciate this notice and I really thank WITH S2 for subbing the dramas for us, english-speaking fans who are really addicted (when I say addicted in my case, I sleep 3 am during weekends and holidays just to watch them hehehe) to korean dramas.
It’s no problem for me they temporarily stop the subbing, I totally understand
by the way, I have a question, how about azntv, are they allow to show the subtitled dramas in their website? because I watch there everytime
this is proly gonna take a while rite?
would the ppls frum chruncyroll and others have to take down the dramas a well…?
what about azntv.com
I TOTALLY SUPPORT With S2 on this! I personally find that it is not hard to download from CB and the SRT and watch it at my own time. I started with Veoh at first and found that it is easier for to link the softsub with the raw myself than to be under the mercy of the uploaders!!!!! Frankly, I think Markie and Lyptika should stop what they are doing and all those who are watching from their sites praised them like they are Gods! Come on people! Wake up! Who is doing all the work? It is the subbers! Not the uploaders! How hard is it for them to combine the files and upload to the streaming sites???? These people that are “worshipping” Markie’s and Lyptika’s work ought to be wake up by people who knows the truth! I think With S2 should not release anything till these 2 people at least remove all the episodes from their sites!
I admit I watch these series on Veoh and Youtube before, and still do when I’m lazy or on a computer not mine. But since Withs2 have had this policy, I know longer watch THEIR series on these places, and I think that downloading raws then softsubs through d-addicts is more convenient. You don’t need to really pay attention to it once the download is set up, and need to only watch it once it’s finished. No waiting time, and all you need is Bittorrent and VLC media player or Media Player Classic. And if you don’t know how to, there are directions all over the web, including D-addicts. It’s ridiculous for people to find that SO hard!
I agree completely with this. I personally am not involved in the fansubbing world, but am involved in the scanlations (of manga) world, and I can understand the frustration of people when they complain they can’t learn how to “upload”, “download”, and tell us that we should do this or that to make their lives easier. Really, how hard it is to download a software to unzip a file? We’re doing it out of love of the manga, and yet some of them keep on pushing an pushing. We have a similar problem with distribution. They don’t comply to our rule to stop distribution of manga once it’s been licensed, (we stop the projects, but files are still out there.)
It’s frustrating, and I know these people are actually good people, but you get tired of it. We haven’t taken such a dramatic stance yet, but it seems that doing this have become quite common with scanlators and fansubbers alike.
Minny, you would download the files from places like clubbox or torrents. Sometimes people are nice enough to provide uploads on filesharing sites on megaupload. The best place to go for Korean dramas would soompi forums. Just download the raw, usually if unlabelled, the file is a raw one. So say WITH S2 is syncing subs to the Ental version, you’d download the Ental version. For all WITH S2 releases, we’ll have the file in our clubbox. Our clubbox is clubbox.co.kr/WITHS2CB . You will need to use internet explorer for clubbox. There are some very good cb tutorials out there, just try googling it.
When you’ve got the avi file and srt file downloaded, make sure they’re in the same folder and named the same (so if the file name was qwerty.avi, you’d name the srt qwerty.srt). Open up the file with a video player like GOM Player that can display subtitles and you’re done.
You guys, there are plenty of tutorials out there on drama watching so google is your friend. =D
Amen. And THANK YOU guys for all your hard work for so long. Truly appreciated.
I think you guys should do whatever is best for the group. I love With S2’s subs and they are always very good quality and fast…the best fan subbing group out there in my opinion!
I understand With S2 side and i think that they are doing what they believe is best for them and us. Because we all dont want With S2 to shut down..
I will learn how to use soft subs instead of watching dramas online like others do and i will try to discourage uploading of With S2’s subs on sites like youtube or Veoh.
I hope people understand, and if they dont thats their problem, i dont think it can be that complicated. Everyone says its easy.
I dont understand how some people can be so disrespectful and upload when they are told not to. Just like a lot of these guys i used to think Lyptika was a member of With S2 and was alowed to upload their videos, but i did not know she wasnt, so i am surprised.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, i’ve been to busy lately to watch K-Dramas and so i will help spread the word of stopping these people.
Thanks merriwether for answering my question, Ill just watch the music videos because truth be told I like watching my K-Dramas on a bigger screen, better for my eyes. I hope WITH S2 doesn’t get shut down just because of some people who refuse to get it. Come on guys you know how disappointing it is to watch K-dramas with bad subtitles, it will drive you stark raving mad!!!!
I have created a pretty basic tutorial that will run through the process of download and watching dramas if anyone would like to have a look here: http://merriwether.wordpress.com/2007/12/25/korean-drama-watching-guide/ . Please read this before asking any questions. If anyone has any further questions, feel free to ask on my blog.
Ofcourse subbing takes time. It’s true to, people need to learn how to work with watching and downloading videos and subs on their own time. I’ve never had a problem with it. Either i spend time downloading and working with unfamilular programs or i buy the drama when it comes out.
It’s quite simple. I doubt not watching the next episode to something is going kill someone… well people shouldn’t think that it’s the end of the world… it’s quite a bad habbit.
Now that i’m better informed, i went on d-addict, google, and yahoo to learn more on softsubs… so i think i got it, not too complicated…and i also noticed that lyptika over on veoh deleted her page.. its such a shame that she went and edited the softsubs to include herself in the credits… kinda disappointed that she was that sneaky, but whats done is done… and the most important thing is that i now know how to get my softsubs to work!!! yeah me!!
well just wanna let u guys know that i think lyptika has shut down her veoh account. anyways i will definitely try to learn how to donwload BT and watch WITH S2 from there! totally support WITHS2 100%!
I was wondering why no Bad Love subs were coming out…
I just went to check on some of the streaming sites and found out a lot more of these hard-subbers.
These hard-subbers are so thick-skinned and so shameless that they even removed WithS2’s warnings about no hard-subbings or streaming in the soft-subs and even took credit for themselves. These people should be teach a hard lesson and learn to respect people. Subbers are not selfish and we have our reasons for setting up rules. Fan-subbers will die out completely because of these people’s stupid acts.
So instead of thinking when the next subs will come, why don’t we think of stopping the hard-subbers first before they bring ‘death’ to all fan-subs.
I don’t think that the people uploading are trying to be shameless or mean or anything. They do credit the subbers and they probably didn’t understand the reasons. They just know that some people can’t download all these files to watch their fave dramas. But I completely understand why the WITH S2 guys have decided to stop releasing subs, it’s unfair to them because they are doing everyone a GREAT service by subbing all these dramas. (I know I depend on them). Thanks for the update Javabeans. I hope the uploaders listen and WITH S2 will be up and running again soon.
javabeans, this is an excellent post that can help explain to the MANY viewers of dramas uploaded on streaming sites why it is BAD to upload the subs on those sites. If you don’t mind, i think it will help if we post the link to this post on sites featuring WITH S2’s subs to inform more people.
**runs off to mackiproductions1 and lyptika’s veoh/youtube accounts**
Personally, I think it’s so much more easier on my hard drive and myself to watch softsubs. Often times, the quality on Veoh and YouTube is terrible and I really REALLY prefer to have a high-quality video and a small sized .srt file to go with it. =/
But yes, it’s hard to tame the internet community. It’s always one (wo)man for her/himself.
@ Melissa #57 thanks for expressing how I feel. I started downloading from bittorrent inthe beginning but have had such a hard time. sorry, but veoh is easier and I’m usually pressed for time. HOWEVER I will go to plan B (beg brother to show me how to use the clubbox and bittorrent) because I DO want to support WITHS2’s decision.
Javabeans…thanks for you’re wonderful blog as always….hope you and the rest of the k-drama addicts have a great Christmas and a wonderful New Year!!!!
It’s NOT that hard!
Like it’s been said a billion times, READ THE TUTORIALS.
Everything is FREE. The least YOU could do is put in some effort to learn these things.
(asdfklajdlkfjakldj. I’m going insane….)
i was wondering how lyptika was dealing with all the comments left on her page…
and well… her accounts closed! so i guess something got to her.
one down.
many more to go…
^__^
Lyptika profile has been deleted…i do think that s2 decision is totally right…i support you all the way..without s2 i wil not be able to understand the korean drama have been aired..do what you have to do…
well, I´m glad that withS2 don´t want to retire from subbing forever.. I´ll be waiting patiently for ur comeback and yeah.. my prob wasn´t that I couldn´t download the raw file, sub and then putting them altogether to watch.. but is just that my pc has been messing up lately and when I watch then the sound and picture don´t come at the same time.. with other words, but pc is old and can´t take it any longer… well, I´ll just have to buy another one and watch the dramas I guess..^^ now when uploading is stricyly banned.
BUT A MILLION OF THANKS FOR SUBBING ALL THESE AWESOME DRAMAS AND YOU GUYS ARE KINDA THE BEST FANSUBBING GROUP I KNOW OF..(COS OF THE DRAMACHOICE^^)
Great time that fansubbers team teach others a lesson!! Go WithS2… hope that other subbing team will go onto the bandwagon and stop producing subs for a long period of time (say a whole year)
Totally supporting WITH S2’s decision. I’ve watched most of the series subbed by WITH S2 and really appreciate for fast, efficient and quality subs. I’d rather wait than having the group shut down because of legal issues.
wow…i didnt know about the hardsub/softsub issue… and i was thnking wether lyptika is part of the WITH S2 and yet she’s german? was a bit confused there…sadly, i haf to admit im one of the ignorant ppl… im just a person who fell in love with kdramas then was recommmended veoh.com and search for gud dramas and uploaded them (yea,some of them are by lyptika and i did like her subs and vids but i thought she was in the subbing squad) … WARGH!!! I DIDNT KNOW… yup i’ll look up more info on WITH S2…
wow, i guess with the popularity of kdramas and movies growing.. dis subbing issue is growing out of control… in the end it’ll effect the benefits for the distributors huh… the money makes it matter in the end i guess….
well, i’ve only downloaded and not uploaded…but is it wrong of me to keep the dramas ive downloaded? i like to keep collections(burn it into dvds)..so that i can watch again.. my frens(just my normal few of gfs) sumtimes borrow my cd to watch…is it equivalent to not supporting WITH’s cause?
is it?…feeeling guilty but ive spend my hols downloading them (now my semester break is over so i gotta go back to college and yea room got no internet)..so kinda torn between deleting them and not..
hmm, pls comment dis..help..
ps: the kdramas im gonna download in the future will definitely not include ones with hardsubbed…
yup lyptika’s account in veoh are closed…i was wondering but now i know… where do i dl the vids and softsubs(i know they’re not available now but its for later)? d addicts rite?
i hope everything goes back to normal soon! i really miss watching asian dramas…but i can’t watch until you guys post your eng subs! please resolve this issue soon!
you have the right to be angry WITH S2 but how can we help you to resolve this issue bec u guys are one no the best Subbing group ^^ i really admire you ^^
diana - for videos you can download torrent files (d-addicts) or use clubbox (WITHS2 clubbox or other users, pls search on soompi for other clubbox users). Softsubs are also available on d-addicts
Glad to hear lyptika has shut down her veoh account. I just wonder if there are other people like lyptika, or should we watch out for lyptika part 2? What if lyptika just makes another account using a different name? I guess more people will be on the lookout now that they are aware of WITHS2’s policy.
I think most of us support WITH S2’s decision of temporarily stopping subtitles releases. Why can’t users read the instructions explicitly stated by the group? I have been enjoying K-dramas (and J-dramas) via d-addicts. For RAW files, I will download the soft-subs graciously provided by WITH S2 via d-addicts as well. How hard is that (and I consider myself not that computer savvy)? If you don’t understand how to do it, then ask and read up! If you can understand the nuances and plots of the K-dramas you are watching, why can’t you understand the simple instructions given? Ignorance is not an excuse. It boils down to plain laziness and ingratitude on the user’s part. WITH S2 has been too kind, generous and nice to us. As a result, we take this service for granted. I really want to thank WITH S2 for all the time and effort spent on doing the ‘donkey job’ of releasing good quality subs. I really appreciate the good work and am in FULL SUPPORT of the current decision. For those who are hardsubbing and streaming the subs, I hope that you respect and comply with the group’s request immediately. Please think of the English-speaking K-drama fan community who want to continue watching great K-dramas for a long time.
Merry Christmas everyone!
Because I got hooked on kdramas I took the time (and it was less than 1/2 hour) to learn how to get my account at clubbox, install the software, and start downloading. I did all that without knowing any Korean, just did Google searches and followed the wonderful and easy instructions people already had on the Internet. I also took the time (less than 1/2 hour) to learn and install utorrent to download from d-addicts.
It takes me less than 2 hours usually to download an episode from With S2’s clubbox, and since I monitor the torrents I upload at d-addicts I know it can take some people less than 2 hours to download an episode from d-addicts. But even if it takes 8 hours to download, it probably takes way more time than that for With S2’s team to sub that episode. They do this for free, so can’t you hardsub watchers respect their wishes and take the extra time and effort to watch softsubs?
Thank you, thank you, thank you With S2 for subbing Golden Bride (currently my favorite kdrama), and all the other kdrama’s I’ve downloaded from your clubbox!
Merry Christmas to everyone!
The news that WITHS2 has temporarily stopped subbing actually is a relief to me. It means we still have the chance and perhaps in the future they will continue subbing. I got interested into Korean dramas in 2003 with Attic Cats. I didn’t know then but later it would become an impact on my life. After watching a few dramas I started to watch Korean movies. They are now my keen interest even though I still enjoy the dramas and I wouldn’t be able to enjoy anything if it wasn’t subbed. Whenever I see a new drama that is about to come out I always check and see if WITHS2 will be subbing it and they usually are. I’m not sure if WITHS2 will be subbing dramas forever but I’m happy they are doing it now. Korean movies and dramas are perhaps the only things I have to look forward to everyday. The only thing that really nags at me now is that I have never thanked them properly. I have at least tried almost every drama they have subbed. Thanks WITHS2!! Fighting!
I feel sad that it has come to this, but I feel that WITH S2 have made the correct decision. I really love their work, some of my favorite shows have been subbed by them, such as Coffee Prince, Golden Bride, Legend, Dal Ja’s Spring, Full House and Gong. Yes, I too started watching KDramas on VEOH, but after discovering how easy it is to use torrents, and then clubboxes (which I now use exclusively) I don’t think that I’ll ever go back to VEOH.
What about sites like http://www.mysoju.com/ ? Many of the shows that they are streaming are from WITH S2 subs. There just seem to be so many sites like this out there…..
I hope that all of this streaming stops, and that we can continue to watch the KDramas that we know and love.
HI ALL.. FIRST, DRAMABEANS — i REALLY REALLY LOVE YOUR WEBSITE…
Anyway, all this talk of not being able to watch kdramas online with english subs is saddening…. I’m a fairly new fan of kdramas (started watching just this year) and I really have no idea that it’s a bad thing to watch it on streaming sites –> I have watched from dal jas spring from mysoju.. I kinda feel guilty now for watching it from there which means I’m supporting their website and causing problems for the one who’s originally doing the hard work… So now that I understand WITH S2’s point, I promise to learn all those things about clubbox, torrents or whatever..
Can someone recommend a site that has the easiest to comprehend instructions (I am soooo not a techie person, that’s why I usually just buy the DVDs)….
Dramabeans, thanks for putting up this website…
actually lyptika have choose not to upload any video last time..i don’t know but i read it somewhere that mention that she will stop but later on she continue upload it on veoh maybe bcos she think that it won’t jepordize the s2 team..but i’m glad that she finally have the guts to close down her account..
Okay, firstly, how hard it is to download from MU or other direct download sites? It takes me like 20 minutes to an Hr to download one episode. I just go to IU (idols unlimited forums) or Soompi and get all my dramas.
Torrents is so easy too. It takes like a few steps. First, download a torrent program. Then, go to a drama torrent site such as D-addicts. Pick a drama you want and the torrent program does everything. If no one is seeding, whine until someone does. I say it takes like a few seconds and a few steps.
Why do people want to watch from Youtube and Veoh, the quality is horrendous.
I don’t get it. It’s not hard and it doesn’t take that long if you have a good internet connection.
People need to get a job and buy a better internet connection. I’m pathetically poor and I still pay high prices for a good internet connection. I say, it’s more filling than food.
Pretty easy to download even from torrents. For those who are lazy to use torrent, find yourself a seedbox clan (a clan that have a server dedicated for downloading/seeding torrents). After downloading the file, you can download it directly from the server with any download managers and that would make your life easier.
Honestly, with all the comments here, asking questions is FUTILE.
Best advice: GOOGLE.
(There’s a ton of people who have written detailed instructions to help people just like you. Just google what you need help on and I AM 100% SURE you’ll find the instructions somewhere. Now go!)
I would like to say that I am also one of those who learnt to torrent and use Clubbox from scratch, and there are so many great people out there who have posted instructions and are even available for us to talk to if we run into problems. I have never been a supporter of streaming sites and much prefer torrenting and clubboxing for my dramafiles. WithS2 has been a major major source of my drama subs, and I appreciate SO MUCH the great job you guys do in bringing kdrama to us nonkorean speaking fans. And I have to say, despite the availability of commercial versions, I still prefer fansubbed versions, because their quality is WAY BETTER. Fansubbers do it out of love for the drama and actors, and you can tell from the effort they make in their subtitles as opposed to those commercial subs made by God knows who, but obviously ppl who are just in it for the money and have no pride in doing a good job. And I’m not saying that’s true for everyone but at least I can say in a vast majority of the work that I’ve come across.
WANDERGIRL….thx for ur help… actually there is a user named lyptika2 in veoh but i donno if its the same person…however her accounts totally empty…no vids,picture…nada!
anyway…can sumone reply my comment on #75? i need a second opinion…or third..or fourth..or infinity…huhu
@ diana in response to #75…
This is just my personal opinion, but I think that if you were to burn them just for your own enjoyment, and not redistribute them or sell them or re-upload and stream them on the web, I don’t see that there should be any problem. I think the main problem here is that WITH S2 doesn’t want a lot of public attention being brought to the group and hardsubbing and streaming the vids does just that.
I haven’t burned any TV dramas, but I have burned Kmovies onto DVDs for my own personal enjoyment and to invite friends over to watch it on the TV.
Maybe someone else has a different opinion, but that’s mine
HTH
[...] Paula placed an observative post today on Comment on WITH S2 fansubbing policy by PaulaHere’s a quick excerptI haven’t burned any TV dramas, but I have burned Kmovies onto DVDs for my own personal enjoyment and to invite friends over to watch it on the TV. Maybe someone else has a different opinion, but that’s mine HTH. [...]
what is seeding? i tried google but i dont tink the answers are for this case…
thx paula =) .. great to hear that. anybody disagree? *cross fingers*
in response to post 75
i think burning them for your OWN is not a problem.. as long as you do not distribute … them in any way..
but you have to be careful in lending to somebody else… maje sure they will not post or stream it online..
BOTTOMLINE IN THIS ISSUE:
we should all be thankful for fan subbing teams like WITH S2, for their service is free and they don’t expect anything in return ….
subbing requires a whole lot of time and is no joke at all..
the least we could do is to respect , support and obey their rules…
“we” as non korean fans should do the check ourselves and make sure ABSOLUTELY NO ENG SUBBED UPLOADS.. from this moment on… if we want to continue watching and enjoying the korean dramas we have learned to love.
diana, I found this through google
http://www.dessent.net/btfaq/
You just have to search the right terms, it’s not that difficult. Let’s not be so lazy people or just don’t bother watching dramas at all.
THANK YOU x 1000 infiniti to the WITHS2 Subbing Team for all the great selfless work you all do for all of us. HUGS E
Thanks for telling us. Well, actually I’m already aware of this.. I do have a Veoh account, but I upload RAW HQ episodes only. ^^;; Hmm, now lyptika’s account is closed, but I know on Veoh, fhavictym and Vivagirl upload WITHS2 subs. And on MySoju.com they have A LOT of WITHS2 subs. I want to help stop them, but I don’t really don’t know how. Do I just ask them to stop then? =\
As an Idiot speaking, I love to watch K -drama but I don’t know much about computer and especially about softwares. I did learn how to down load from d-addicts.com but beause of my brain is very little so … I have to watch those drama on Veoh/youtube… so am I commit a crime for something call copyright?
I really like WITHS2, and I totally understand their hard work, however I’m also thanks to those uploaders out there too. So please you guys don’t have to point out those uploaders to make WITHS2 see your support. I bet those smart uploaders would know what they need to do. Oh well, for you who want to support WITHS2 just use paypal to show to supportive side.
thank you WITHS2 !!you have made an amazing job, Hope this conflict will not take too long … but you have all my support !!
okay, so i’ve spent the last 2 hours trying to figure out how to watch the vids and getting the subs to come up. one solution that i’ve found to be the easiest is by using veoh. don’t get mad yet, i’m not talking about watching the hardsubbed vids. there are users that upload just the raw video. they are convenient and takes less time to download. anyways, i will write down step by step. i am computer challenged so i understand the importance of getting the instructions as simple as possible.
1. download the (raw) video from one of the veoh users using the veoh player. (i will use the drama bad love as my example since that’s what i used to figure it out)
2. d/l the subtitle file (ends in .srt) from soompi. (my example, bad love episode 1: http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/download.php?id=25215eos) make sure u remember which folder u place the subs under. i just put it onto my desktop.
3. once the d/l on video and subs (.srt file) are done i went to the video, right clicked on it, and picked the option ‘find on my pc’. ur veoh folder will pop open and it will show the video there. (my example here, showed the video as BadLoveEp.01.flv). i renamed the folder to .avi for my GOM player (u can d/l this player for free, just google GOM player)
4. i located the subtitle file on my desktop. (the file that ends in .srt) dragged it into the veoh folder.
5. rename the .srt file so it has the same name as the video. (my example here: video name was BadLoveEp.01.avi, i renamed the .srt file as BadLoveEp.01.srt)
6. double click on the video and it should play with subs.
Thanks WithS2 for all the hard work. It’s greatly appreciated.
And honestly, I am the most computer challenged idiot on this planet so if i can figure out a way to see vids with subs without making the subbing group unhappy so can everyone else. Happy New Years!!!
OMG WITH S2 are uploading subs again! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! I hope things keep going well for WITH S2..Keep up the amazing work!
OK, I fully admit I was one of those who had no clue what all the hardsub & softsub issue was all about. I did not even know what they meant! But I did watch Lyptika & Mackie’s videos thinking they did all the translation. And I used to think they were so hardworking to get so many done so quickly! Now I feel like a real tool and terribly sorry.
I am a Mac user so had problems with Clubbox - I did try to get on there & follow the instructions from a kind person who wrote a tutorial for non-Koreans. But it did not work on my Mac so I am just relying on bittorrent now. Have not tried to play the softsubs with the raw (as it has been downloading for the last day & the reason why I preferred streaming as my Internet connection is limited) yet so fingers crossed.
Glad S2 is back and I will keep at it till I can do it the right way instead of visiting the streaming pirates.
@ Lily 101….
I’ve also noticed that pashanne on VEOH has RAWs of Legend of the Four Gods uploaded as well, so you could do the same thing with that series (another one of my favorites)
Thanks for those instructions! I’ve actually used VEOH before as well to download RAW episodes of Golden Bride and watched them with the WITH S2 subs in the exact same way that you described, except that I don’t use GOM, I use Windows Media Player, which does the exact same thing
@ jenn 102……
I don’t know if WITH S2 has necessarily as a group started subbing again. I know that Yi San has just released new subs, but that was a special project taken on by 2 members of the group, Mrs Korea and mily2, and doesn’t seem to be a part of WITH S2, because Yi San is not listed under the groups official site with their current projects. Plus, the announcement is still listed on their Dramawiki Fabsub page about discontinuing their subs.
I sincerely hope though, that enough people will realize that they are hurting, rather then helping, when they upload hardsubs and streamed videos. And lets hope that WITH S2 does continue their subs in the near future. They have done a tremendous amount of work and I am afraid that their efforts have been taken for granted by too many people who have refused to listen to their wishes.
Thanks once again WITH S2 for all that you’ve done, and I hope to see more of your wonderful work in 2008