WITH S2 fansubbing policy
The admins of the fansubbing group WITH S2 asked if I could post up a notice of their recent decision to stop subtitle releases temporarily, and I thought I’d also take the chance to explain the stance a bit. It’s quite frustrating to see people who don’t understand the situation just jump to the conclusion that WITH S2 doesn’t have a good reason for their actions. Trust me, it does.
I’m a member of the group, but I’m not speaking FOR the admins, just expressing what I hope clears up possible confusion. (Read: Please don’t email me to protest/complain/rant!)
The group’s announcement:
We have warned everyone repeatedly on the issue of hardsubbing & streaming our subs.
We sincerely appreciate everyone’s efforts to spread the drama love, but we’re growing increasingly frustrated, not to mention worried, over our repeatedly ignored requests not to upload our material to Veoh, Youtube and other streaming sites.
Perhaps you guys aren’t aware of the problems facing WITH S2, but the flagrant disregard for our requests puts us in an increasingly vulnerable position as a fansubbing group. We don’t want to be shut down (which is something we are in constant threat of) and if our rules are not honored, we may well be.
Therefore we once again make this request:
Please do NOT harsub & upload any of our subtitles to streaming sites.
If people do not comply, we will be forced to stop releasing our subtitles
for ALL our current projects until the request is met, full stop.We regret that we have to take such a drastic stance, but our requests have gone ignored for the past year. There’s not much more we can do to protect ourselves and to continue bringing these dramas to fans, but we believe that taking these precautions now will keep us operational for the long run. And we hope to keep bringing these dramas to English-speaking fans for a long time. Please help us by abiding by our rules.
Here’s the issue: WITH S2 translates and subtitles dramas, and releases “softsubs.” (Softsubs are text files that sync with the video, so you play both files simultaneously. WITH S2 does not put out “hardsubs,” which are videos that come with the subtitles already embedded into the file.)
Lots of well-meaning fans then take the WITH S2 translations, “hardsub” and upload them onto streaming sites like Youtube or Veoh. THIS IS BAD. The reason is not because WITH S2 is stupid or annoying or mean. (1) It’s disrespectful to the subbers’ wishes, but more importantly, (2) Fansubbing is not legal, and with the popularity of kdramas growing, legitimate companies have licensed the dramas for DVD releases outside of Korea.
That makes fansubbers a target — although fansubbers make no money, legally the companies have all the right to shut it down. Because WITH S2 is a prominent fansubbing group, it’s at constant risk and legal threat. When you put videos on Veoh, that exposes the group and makes it a big target.
To this end, WITH S2 has politely and repeatedly asked uploaders on many streaming sites to STOP UPLOADING their files. Many people assume that the uploaders have WITH S2’s permission, but that’s not true. The uploaders have basically ignored all polite requests to stop.
Which is why WITH S2 has decided that they will put a hold on their subtitle releases until the uploaders comply. (Personally, I think the fansubbers have been way too nice so far, but the admins are truly good-hearted people who just want to do their best to bring kdramas to English-speaking fans.)
WITH S2’s second-year anniversary is approaching (January 10), and the fansubbers would all love to celebrate the occasion by resuming sub releases. If you’re an uploader, please DO NOT UPLOAD WITH S2’s SUBS to any more streaming sites.
It might be annoying to have to figure out how to watch dramas without Youtube or Veoh, but trust me, it’s really not that hard. And some fans complain, “I don’t know how to do it! It’s too hard! I need Veoh!” Well, if we fansubbers can figure out how to download dramas, translate them, time them, edit them, release them, and provide the raw video files separately — surely you can learn how to watch them. (Soompi and d-addicts have detailed instructions.) Or buy the DVDs when they’re released officially.
WITH S2 is providing a SERVICE — a free, fast, reliable service. Fansubbers would like to keep providing the service, so we hope everyone can understand why this decision has been made. WITH S2’s wish is NOT to shut down drama-sharing — it’s to keep it alive for the long run. Please help by considering the bigger picture.
Without streaming sites, drama-watching may become less convenient, that is unfortunately true. But it’s better than shutting down fansubbing entirely — ’cause then you’ll have no dramas at all.
And finally, Emily from WITH S2 would like for me to extend the group’s best holiday wishes. On behalf of WITH S2:
Just a question…is Lyptika a member of With S2, or is she one of these uploaders who is ignoring your policies?
Just curious because I think some people might be confused as to whether anyone has specific authorization to upload series, or if just everyone is NOT allowed.
I actually only download the soft subs and put it together myself, so I totally understand the fansubber’s position. It’s not a huge request considering how much time and effort they put in, not to mention how much money and time we are saved from buying and waiting for all these dramas on DVD (so freaking expensive).
WITH S2 has asked EVERYONE uploading its subs to stop. Lyptika is not a WITH S2 member or affiliated with the group.
Yeah, I think WITH S2 have been AMAZINGLY patient with the veoh/youtube uploaders. I used to watch WITH S2’s dramas on veoh because it was convenient and I honestly thought that the uploader was a member of WITH S2. Now I’m better informed and maybe this post will help inform more people. If you read the comments of the subscribers to those veoh/youtube offenders you will see that most of them are pretty clueless about where the subs originate. I myself am clueless when it comes to clubbox and bt but there are so many super-nice people out there that provide direct downloads links. I haven’t missed any drama I’ve wanted to see since I stopped watching them streaming. Well, right now I sure am missing In Soon Is Pretty ep 10, lol, but I LOVE AND SUPPORT WITH S2 and will wait patiently for those rather thick-skinned uploaders to come around… and God bless us everyone!
“…is Lyptika a member of With S2, or is she one of these uploaders who is ignoring your policies?
Just curious because I think some people might be confused as to whether anyone has specific authorization to upload series, or if just everyone is NOT allowed.”
Lyptika is one of those uploaders blatantly ignoring WITH S2’s constant pleas. She is NOT a member of WITH S2. Tell her to STOP.
No wonder the progress report wasn’t getting updated at all for a little while now. Lol.
I used to not understand why fansubbing groups didn’t like hardsubbed files, and why it was THAT big of a deal to upload all these series onto streaming sites, but after I read about the legal conflicts awhile ago, I completely understand. I think most of the people uploading are just ignorant about the problems that fansubbing groups have to face. And, I agree, that they have given so many chances. I knew nothing would change, so this is definitely a good move (hopefully not too-too long though).
Everybody really needs to find out the real reason why fansub groups are pleading them to not upload the files instead of just brushing it off as “they’re being so strict about it”.
THERE’S A REAL REASON WHY FANSUB GROUPS DON’T WANT YOU TO DISTRIBUTE THE SUBS.
EVERY FILE THAT YOU UPLOAD JUST INCREASES THE RISK OF FREE SUBS GETTING SHUT DOWN.
I really hope more people will get it.
Hi, I totally understand and agree. I watch my stuff on veoh, on Lyptika and was wondering why it got so cold. I would like to support WITH S2. Just one thing can some one please explain how I can get the episodes I want to watch, d-addict doesn’t seem to work for me it’s really confusing. But I think with some help I’ll get the hang. Love this site been reading coffee prince since the very beginning. And I still love it. The first drama I ever watch was one and a half years ago and it was “stairway to heaven”.
Love k-drama
Sammie, from London. United Kingdom
It’s a shame that a small percentage of viewers have to do the wrong thing and ruin it for everyone else. As a fansubber, I don’t think I like seeing the work I put into helping with subbing dramas going down the drain just because fans can’t follow simple rules. The admins of WITH S2 are awesome people and it’s terrible that they always have this headache, so please everyone, support us by not uploading our subs onto streaming sites.
i totally understand and support WITHS2’s decision. they have been around a long time and giving us kdrama lovers a great service. they have been very good to us. i tried posting up a request too to pls help stop this. unfortunately not everyone listens. i hope people will because many other people are affected too. it’s just sad. pls people stop the uploading. we will loose fansubs all together if this keeps and you wont be able to see them at all.
Sigh…kinda knew this day was coming. I have mixed emotions because I am grateful to those who upload subtitled dramas. As a Mac user, I have never successfully downloaded from clubbox. Access to the RAWs, for me, seems to be a matter of scrounging around and trying to get there in time before links expire.
However, as a person who knows copyright law (from my work in a publishing company), I understand WITH S2’s rather dicey situation. Unfortunately, popularity invites scrutiny and fansubbers really need to try to fly under the radar. Their work is not always appreciated by the copyright holders, unless the producers of the program are complicit and view the subbing as free publicity for their project.
I have found that more people are now uploading the RAWs to kdramas on Veoh. Perhaps this could be a compromise for all concerned. Downloading from Veoh is fairly easy (much easier and quicker than any other, I have found) and you can use these files to view kdramas with the subtitles provided by WITH S2.
Javabeans …I absolutely love your site. Should have said it sooner.
if people took the time to list instructions to work out clubbox and torrents then it’s not that hard to google it and read it. if someone told me not to do something that they are putting out for free then i would at least put some effort into finding out why before bashing/disregarding the wishes. what it boils down to is laziness. not everyone starts out knowing everything but if there’s detailed instructions and you don’t even bother then that’s bullshit and whatsmore those people are killing it for those who are respecting the wishes. aaaaaaaaaarggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i’m getting pissed just thinking about it.
Tho I fully realized how it ill benefits the fansubbers, I must admit that a couple of times I watched dramas through Veoh (and yes, Lyptika), simply out of negligence and laziness. However, let me just say that I fully support WITH S2’s decision in not releasing subs temporarily. If you watch one of Lyptika’s hardsubs, she clearly and boldly and repeatedly displays WITH S2’s name (probably out of goodwill, to credit the group), but it actually exposes the group too much.
I agree with May, downloading through Veoh is very easy and the speed is really good too (especially with older dramas, total pains if you have to dl from CB). It would be a good idea to spread more and more RAWs through Veoh. I would make an effort to do this myself.
Anyways, all diplomatic talk aside, it’s so sad that we’ve got to get by without subs.
I really think it’s a good decision on WITH S2’s part. I’m really really grateful to the team, having subbed almost all the dramas I watched and even subbed ‘Person I Love’ which is, in my opinion, quite a feat… given that the series was such a blah. (and this coming from myself, a Kim Dongwan fan. haha)
I hope the uploaders would take a hint and to remove the videos and stop uploading completely.
I totally support With S2’s move to temporarily halt productions!
It’s just totally wrong to for some people to ignore warnings and continue to upload hardsubbed episodes to streaming sites.
If there is anything that we could do to help With S2 on this? I’ve been downloading softsubs and watching them with RAWs obtained from Soompi without problems for so long. I seriously don’t understand why some people insists it’s hard to do that and needs streaming hard subbed episodes. Either they are very very lazy or have an intelligence of a 6 year old. ( Heck, even a 6 year old could learn how to do what I’ve been doing ! )
i hate to admit that i used to watch many of my kdramas on lyptika and veoh. since i was so impatient even to wait for hardsubbed videos i just began downloading the softsubs from d-addicts and i completely understand WITH S2’s position on hardsubbing now. i used to be so ignorant and lazy about the whole subbing thing, but i’m glad i stumbled upon your website while watching coffee prince. now i have more of an understanding of fansubbing and all the problems and consequences that may occur due to ignorant and lazy kdrama viewers.
i tried downloading the program to sync the video and subs together but failed. even so, i just scroll down in notepad to follow along with the video and that’s not bad either so it’s another option for viewers to do if they don’t want to download a program.
on lyptika’s main page a lot of people have been requesting that lyptika remove all her hardsubbed videos so that’s a good start. i just hope everything gets back on track soon! i really love WITH S2 and appreciate the work all the members do to spread the love of kdramas.. happy holidays & happy new year to you all! =)
A question, I’ve been busy watching a lot of things from crunchyroll are they legit, becuase even if they have a lot of stuff that I really would like to watch I’ll stop in the name of WITH S2.
it’s understandable. i honestly liked reading your blog posts with the episode summaries over actually watching the actual show (you’re so good!).
I understand WithS2’s standpoint, and I would rather download the dramas, but my computer doesn’t support the flv files. I have tried many times to download those dramas, but I really can’t. If there’s no more streaming, then there are probably many people who wouldn’t be able to watch kdramas.
But, I will try to download again. Can you please post the link of the site that tells you how to download the dramas and put the subs together? Or, can you please explain it in your own words on here? Thanks!
I completely understand WITHS2’s decision for temporarily stopping the release of subtitles. I think they have been wayyy too nice to people who uploaders in streaming sites.
Honestly, it’s not that hard to download through clubbox. First of all, I am not Korean and do not speak, write, or understand Korean but I learned how to work through it. There are great tutorials in Soompi and the internet on how to download. Also, I don’t know how to download from Bittorent so I joined Soompi and found great resources there. You can find help everywhere if you just look and if you can’t, just ask. There are many great people who are willing to help fellow drama watchers.
After downloading dramas, I can’t stand watching dramas on streaming sites anymore. The video is way too small and the quality is just horrible. Plus waiting for the video to load is just annoying!
Minny:
Once you have the downloaded the .avi file and the .srt (softsubs), just rename them so they have the same names like kdrama.avi and kdrama.srt. Once you play the .avi file, the subtitles should show right away.
first of all, thanks S2. i totally understand you guys for doing this! I’m not a pro at this but just wondering, if u guys don’t put s2 on the dramas, those companies won’t know who to go after, is that better for preventing s2 from getting caught (with hardsub and softsub.)
i completely understand the measures WITHS2 has to take.
its really sad that a few people ruin it for the rest of us ::coughs::LYPTIKA::coughs::
but thats how it goes.
In brief, WITHS2, fighting! I sincerelly hope the people this measure is aimed at will stop very very soon…
I’m very grateful to WITHS2 for the subs : without the team I wouldn’t be able to enjoy all the k-dramas I was able to enjoy this past year.
I totally respect the decision that was taken and I support it, even if I hope it will be resolved shortly. I really don’t understand how people think they can use the subs as if they belonged to them…
PS : As for the “easiness” part, for the peoples who have trouble watching the raws subbed with the soft subs : with the nice AND free software VLC player, you can play the subs synched with the wideo by just telling VLC where both files are : no renaming, no putting in the same directory, no instaling any codec mandatory. It fast, it’s easy, it’s free, and it doesn’t go against WITHS2’s wishes…
Maybe we should all start learning Korean…
ariel, crunchyroll still has some WITH S2 hardsubs and even if it’s an old drama, if it’s been done by WITH S2, it’s best you don’t watch it.
steff, there is a way of syncing the subs so that it matches with the video without having to use any of those programs made for timing subs like Media Subtitler. If you use GOM Player, you can right click on the screen>subtitles>subtitles explorer. Open up the srt file with subtitles explorer (file>open) and say the first line says, “Hello,” click on that line and wait until the character says that, pause the video and go to sync in subtitle explorer and click on reset entire sync to the selected position. If the subtitles are still sort of out of place, you can use the two orange arrows to speed it up or slow it down until the subs appear the time you want them to.
Minny, flv files can be played with GOM Player. I don’t think you need any additional codecs to play flv files once you’ve installed GOM Player as it has internal codecs that work for it already. With a raw flv file, just rename so that the srt and flv files have the same name (or you could use the method described for steff in the above paragraph).
I highly recommend GOM Player as a video player or Media Classic if you’ve got the right codecs installed.
Thanks to the group for its hard work. I am a french fan and i have a blog on the subject.
I was allowed to bring in your article to warn french also french fans that might go against your rules : http://lifeofgege.over-blog.com/article-14911653.html
I hope to see your releases soon and we see stop its broadcasts without permission. A question for the site Soju and AZTV, this is also a diffusion ilégale your subtitle?
so we’re only allowed to post it on aznv.tv????
because seriously I tried downloading episodes from d-addicts,, but it never works. lmao.
Thanks for the info!
Philippa, not even azn.tv. The idea is that you DON’T POST HARDSUBS ANYWHERE. No one had permission to do it and no one should be doing it.
Philippa, there’s a Tech Support Forum to help out those having problems downloading from D-addicts. Feel free to make a post describing the exact nature of your problem so that it can be resolved. We have a very open tracker, so the problem is most likely something related to your network setup.
BTW, why isn’t there a more obvious announcement at D-addicts? Or did I miss something….
I feel that Kdrama fansubbers have always had it tougher than the Jdrama crowd (fewer translators, the lack of timed soft-subs, etc), and it’s even worse now with the new complication of licensing. As an alternative to the ppl who watch through streaming sites, maybe LQ raw files can help them transition into the whole idea of actually downloading the file. I think one reason many ppl don’t like downloading is because of a lack of computer resources (bandwidth, HD space, computer speed, codecs, etc…). Offering smaller of files of decreased quality, but are readily playable on older systems might be good transitional option for that population who favor streaming. I don’t know how effective this hold-out is going to turn out, but I wish you guys the best of luck!
It’s about time WITH S2 put its foot down. I say let them learn the hard way.
they have my support. seriously, WITH S2 has been so nice to us yet many still ignore their polite requests. I used to message those who uploaded hardsubbed WITH S2 files because I know WITH S2 policy but they just ignored my message.
Personally I don’t think it’s only a matter of laziness or ignorance on the part of viewers who go to streaming sites ( again I’m speaking about Lyptika [Gosh I'm so fed up with that name!] ), maybe you’ve got some that are simply ignorant as some of you said they were, but some are simply like ALL THE UPLOADERS on streaming sites, completely disrespectful of the team members.
If you’ve got a Mac you should know that Bittorent is available for Mac as well. Azureus which I use for instance has a Mac version. THERE’S ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE. Xvid files can be played easily if you can’t watch x264 ver as for the lack of space, just buy a an external Hard Disk. Yes, If you don’t have lots of money, you’ll have to sacrifice other things but at least no problem any more and you’ll finally be able to watch quality files.
Concerning the matter of resynching, I personally use “SubtitleEdit”, there’s an option that on the left that allows you to make all the sub lines appearing earlier or later.
Codec? Best I found is the CCCP Pack used by the anime community, they usually have the new codecs available first.
Feels I’ve been repeating that a lot lately, but I give my full support to WITH S2 and will wait patiently for the team to get back on track.
Here I’m quoting a little anecdote I wrote on In Soon’s thread on Soompi :
“That’s why they need to do forced vacation. You know if WITH S2’s members are contacted by companies because of streaming sites there won’t be any WITH S2 no more, meaning they’ll really be forced to stop their fansubbing activities. This may seem harsh but it is the only way to avoid being shutting down for real. So just be patient even if you’ve got to wait for a year, they wait.
That reminds me… There was an anime of 62 episodes I wanted to watch. The fansubbing team had asked people to stop asking when would be the next release. Nobody listened to them so they said each person asking equals 3 days of delay. You know what?
No leechers believed they would do it for real but they did. And no luck, I’m not the kind who complains, nor ask when is gonna be the next release… No other fansubbing team was doing that project. I waited and waited but there was always a new idiot asking when when when.
They still finished it… And do you know how long it took them?
6 Years.
But If you like you wait and you must be grateful because It may have been 6 years but it could have been NEVER.
So please be patient with WITH S2 they’re doing their best. Count the number of projects they do, two episodes a week to translate by projects, time, check. It’s no small work it’s ENORMOUS. You won’t see any anime fansubbing team doing that much.
Based on the speed subs usually come out, I’m pretty sure they don’t really know what private life means any more. It’s all for leechers and downloaders, that’s sacrifice for you.
Actually this decision was made at a good time, at least it allows them to rest for real during Christmas and the New Year.”
So here’s how to become really patient ^^
Merry Christmas and a Very Happy New Year to all team members ^^
I support WITH S2! All real drama fans should do the same! I use torrent to download raws and wait patiently for subs releases. I do not see the advantage to watch online as quality and streaming are not great. I can put my downloaded raw+sub files up to watch on my big screen TV. Better right?
THANKS FOR YOUR EFFORT, WITH S2 TEAM!
I support WITHS2’s decision. It’s sad some people ruin it for us who follow the group’s rules, but if they have to learn it the hard way, so be it.
When I first started downloading dramas I was so confused. I forced myself to understand how it all works–downloading RAWs, waiting for subs, etc. Once I got the hang of it I went on a downloading spree. Frankly, I don’t mind waiting for torrent or clubbox downloads. They might take a little long, depending on the number of seeders, but I really don’t like how videos look on streaming sites. Also, sometimes my connection is not good and waiting for videos to load takes a long time. It’s better for me to dl from D-Addicts and leave my BitTorrent client download then just watch when it’s done.
mizune has a good suggestion, and I agree with what she/he said: “As an alternative to the ppl who watch through streaming sites, maybe LQ raw files can help them transition into the whole idea of actually downloading the file. I think one reason many ppl don’t like downloading is because of a lack of computer resources (bandwidth, HD space, computer speed, codecs, etc…). Offering smaller of files of decreased quality, but are readily playable on older systems might be good transitional option for that population who favor streaming. I don’t know how effective this hold-out is going to turn out, but I wish you guys the best of luck!”
Another suggestion: some people might not be bothered at all to go to D-Addicts and I’m not even sure if the Tech section is updated (the one about downloading and watching torrent files, using softsubs, etc). I think someone else suggested you also put up a section on how to dl raw files and use softsubs. You do explain things clearly and maybe some people need a guide using simpler, less techie terms.
I owe a lot to WithS2 for all their hard work and dedication, and their generosity. Which is why I joined and have tried to give back what I can myself. And now I feel firsthand the frustration of asking people not to misuse our work and force us into a precarious position! The admins of WithS2 are wonderful, enthusiastic, patient people, and by repeatedly ignoring WithS2’s requests, these uploaders are doing no one a service
When I first started watching kdramas, I was no techie but it didn’t take me very long to figure out how and what to do. Its really not that difficult when you consider the HUGE amount of resources on Soompi, DAddicts, etc. Anyone will be willing to help you in the LARGE community of k-drama lovers. You just have to make an effort, fiddle around and be willing to learn. Even Javabeans has a wonderful resource page on where to watch. There are many different ways that one can stay loyal to fansubbers and still watch all your favorite shows, and just a little playing around will bring the most convenient method.
That said, if anybody is having any problems using softsubs, I’d be happy to help as much as I can, just email me via my blog. As a non-techie person, I’ve learned stuff the layman’s way and will be more than happy to pass on what I know to dissuade anyone from streaming sites.
When I first went to d-addicts several years ago, it was because I had heard about Kim Sam Soon and wanted to see it so badly. I knew absolutely nothing about downloading video files, playing them, or using softsubs. I spent a day or so reading all the FAQs, figuring out how bittorrents work and also how clubbox worked, then once I actually got the file, figuring out how to play it and use softsubs. Sure there was a learning curve, but within a few days, we were watching KSS, and I’ve been dling dramas ever since. If an ajumma like me can figure it out, certainly this younger crowd can handle it. LOL All the info and outside links you need are on d-addicts FAQ and tech threads. Plus, more and more I see links to direct dls for the video files on soompi. Really, it is not that bad!
I too used to think that streaming sites were awesome, and I was thrilled when they first started showing up on youtube, but reality really hit home for me this past year when YA very quickly brought a halt to licensed dramas being available on d-addicts. In a flash, fansubbing could be gone as well. I think #9’s comments are right on when she said that fansubbers need to fly under the radar. Obviously they know we exist, but our best hope to co-exist is to be as low-key as possible and stick to the softsubs. Thanks so much supporting WITH S2 everyone! And, as always, thanks javabeans for your blog.
Just wanted to say good on WITH S2, I also agree with everyone that they made the right move at this time. It might make the rest of us wait but to secure the future of fansubs it is all worth it in the end. Merry Christmas to all and speacial thanks to With S2 and javabeans for all the great work u guys do.
AAwww Why is it always a stupid bunch who ruins the fun for the rest of us?? *sighs and pouts*
But I support WITHS2 and hope that more people will start following the rules.
I feel sad that it seems there is anything we can do to stop this, because unfortunelly is up to the uploader decision to remove the videos…
Like everybody else i support WITH S2, and i hope people should really take this seriously and respect the fansubber decisions this time.
we can all help.. by spamming uploaders like lyptika..
how can one be so thick skinned?
getting praised and all by other users by uploading subtittled vidoes…
how pathetic… i am continiously monitoring her account …
i vow i will not stop until she stop…
I agree with everything everyone else had already said. It is frustrating to realize that the general populace doesn’t understand the ramifications of ignoring WITH S2’s request. There are always legal consequences, and it’s unfortunate that no one thinks about it. Someone mentioned the ‘big picture’ up above, and they’re right, it is generally ignored.
Yeah, it’s time to start learning Korean.
Oh, that’s really bad news…
Even a computer dummy like me have figured out how to use Clubbox, BitTorrent and play the videos with soft subs. I bet everybody can learn the stuff to enjoy the dramas without relying on the streaming sites. “When there’s a will, there’s a way!”
Thank you, WITH S2, for your awesome service all this time.
I wish you all a Merry Christmas too.
I can think of one “excuse” for preferring the hardsubbed versions: if you use a friend’s computer or a public-access one, viewing someone else’s upload to YouTube or Veoh (or other Flash/.flv purveyor) is about all you can do. Imagine a public library or a school letting someone install a BT client.
I’m not in that position (I recently initial-seeded most of one show, ffs) but thought I’d mention it. I do agree that WITH S2’s activities need and deserve courtesy from us consumers.
all my love and support to WITH S2… being a viewer i appreciate your hard work and most importantly the qualtiy of your translations… though we will lose out by you guys pulling out for while, i totally understand your stance and fully support it… i think everybody means well by trying to share with others, but theres no point in doing so if the source itself is going to be in danger… so guys, though it may be hard *sniff sniff *, i encourage you all to nicely “coach” anybody that isn’t complying to WITH S2…Don’t gang up on them either…virtual Insults and threats are immature no matter the reason…Take it easy guys and WITH S2 fansubbing team FIGHTING!
Need to confess – I followed Lyptika from YouTube to VEOH quite a while ago and was one of her biggest supporters… But that was before I became a member of d-addicts and learned about the soft sub/hard sub issue and finally understood that Lyptika wasn’t part of WITH S2 even though her name was in the credits. (She edits the credits when she hardsubs.) Now I completely support WITH S2 – especially now that I understand how vulnerable they are to legal action if their soft subs are made into hard subs.
My experience is very similar to julier (#34) – one day I just decided I didn’t want to depend on others to supply me with the dramas I was watching. I wanted to get them from the source myself. So, I spent several days figuring out bittorrents and subtitles files with only support forums for help. (No one around me uses macs or knows anything about bittorents.) Yes, there is a learning curve but if I can do it, then it is most certainly do-able for your average computer user. You just need to be willing to spend some time, effort and energy – which is a very small price to pay for accessibility to countless raw videos and WITH S2’s great subtitle files.
(Oh, and thanks, Dramabeans, for explaining the issue so clearly. Will be encouraging all my Kdrama buddies to read it!)
I have another question.
When you go to the page of a certain drama, which is being subtitled, they only have srt files there (those are only the subtitle files, right?) So, where do I download the actual episodes? Do I have to download the ones that says RAW on it, and combine those two? How does that work?
I understand and support WITH S2’s decision. But unfortunately, in reality, it is difficult to have uploaders abide by the request. Imagine my surprise when i spotted WITH S2- subbed DVDs being distributed in underground markets. Argh!
Would it be less of a file-sharing liability if WITH S2 include disclaimer in the body of the file? You know, something like a tag stating “Not for public distribution” (or something applicable) on the screen. Similar to the ones i have seen on movie copies for film critics. How about asking people to sign on-line disclaimers to not publicly upload hard-subbed copies onto streaming sites when they download the soft-subs (that it is for their individual use only)? It does not negate what you do (or prevent them from doing it) but may lessen what you are responsible for – action by mass-distributed hard-subbed uploaders.
Always appreciative of all fan subbers works. I hope that you are able to resolve the issue soon. I can’t even remember how it was before WITH S2 appeared on the K-drama scene. Thank you for all your works. Merry Christmas, everyone.
I agree with everyone!! I fully support WITHS2, I have already posted a comment on a certain VEOH user to ask her to stop! I know she means well…but I much rather figure out on my own how to watch softsubs then to not find ANY subs at all!!
THank you WITHS2 for all of your hard work! THank you Javabeans for your blogs…you’re awesome!! ^_^
WITH S2 i support you guys!
TTT___TTT how long are we gonna have to wait until the madness STOPS?!?!
not too long i hope….
i’ll learn how to upload what ever so that WITH S2 can still be able to release the k-dramas…… WITH S2 thank you for all of the hard work…..
aja aja fighting …^_^V
I truly appreciate this notice and I really thank WITH S2 for subbing the dramas for us, english-speaking fans who are really addicted (when I say addicted in my case, I sleep 3 am during weekends and holidays just to watch them hehehe) to korean dramas.
It’s no problem for me they temporarily stop the subbing, I totally understand
by the way, I have a question, how about azntv, are they allow to show the subtitled dramas in their website? because I watch there everytime
this is proly gonna take a while rite?
would the ppls frum chruncyroll and others have to take down the dramas a well…?
what about azntv.com
I TOTALLY SUPPORT With S2 on this! I personally find that it is not hard to download from CB and the SRT and watch it at my own time. I started with Veoh at first and found that it is easier for to link the softsub with the raw myself than to be under the mercy of the uploaders!!!!! Frankly, I think Markie and Lyptika should stop what they are doing and all those who are watching from their sites praised them like they are Gods! Come on people! Wake up! Who is doing all the work? It is the subbers! Not the uploaders! How hard is it for them to combine the files and upload to the streaming sites???? These people that are “worshipping” Markie’s and Lyptika’s work ought to be wake up by people who knows the truth! I think With S2 should not release anything till these 2 people at least remove all the episodes from their sites!
I admit I watch these series on Veoh and Youtube before, and still do when I’m lazy or on a computer not mine. But since Withs2 have had this policy, I know longer watch THEIR series on these places, and I think that downloading raws then softsubs through d-addicts is more convenient. You don’t need to really pay attention to it once the download is set up, and need to only watch it once it’s finished. No waiting time, and all you need is Bittorrent and VLC media player or Media Player Classic. And if you don’t know how to, there are directions all over the web, including D-addicts. It’s ridiculous for people to find that SO hard!
I agree completely with this. I personally am not involved in the fansubbing world, but am involved in the scanlations (of manga) world, and I can understand the frustration of people when they complain they can’t learn how to “upload”, “download”, and tell us that we should do this or that to make their lives easier. Really, how hard it is to download a software to unzip a file? We’re doing it out of love of the manga, and yet some of them keep on pushing an pushing. We have a similar problem with distribution. They don’t comply to our rule to stop distribution of manga once it’s been licensed, (we stop the projects, but files are still out there.)
It’s frustrating, and I know these people are actually good people, but you get tired of it. We haven’t taken such a dramatic stance yet, but it seems that doing this have become quite common with scanlators and fansubbers alike.
Minny, you would download the files from places like clubbox or torrents. Sometimes people are nice enough to provide uploads on filesharing sites on megaupload. The best place to go for Korean dramas would soompi forums. Just download the raw, usually if unlabelled, the file is a raw one. So say WITH S2 is syncing subs to the Ental version, you’d download the Ental version. For all WITH S2 releases, we’ll have the file in our clubbox. Our clubbox is clubbox.co.kr/WITHS2CB . You will need to use internet explorer for clubbox. There are some very good cb tutorials out there, just try googling it.
When you’ve got the avi file and srt file downloaded, make sure they’re in the same folder and named the same (so if the file name was qwerty.avi, you’d name the srt qwerty.srt). Open up the file with a video player like GOM Player that can display subtitles and you’re done.
You guys, there are plenty of tutorials out there on drama watching so google is your friend. =D
Amen. And THANK YOU guys for all your hard work for so long. Truly appreciated.
I think you guys should do whatever is best for the group. I love With S2’s subs and they are always very good quality and fast…the best fan subbing group out there in my opinion!
I understand With S2 side and i think that they are doing what they believe is best for them and us. Because we all dont want With S2 to shut down..
I will learn how to use soft subs instead of watching dramas online like others do and i will try to discourage uploading of With S2’s subs on sites like youtube or Veoh.
I hope people understand, and if they dont thats their problem, i dont think it can be that complicated. Everyone says its easy.
I dont understand how some people can be so disrespectful and upload when they are told not to. Just like a lot of these guys i used to think Lyptika was a member of With S2 and was alowed to upload their videos, but i did not know she wasnt, so i am surprised.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, i’ve been to busy lately to watch K-Dramas and so i will help spread the word of stopping these people.
Thanks merriwether for answering my question, Ill just watch the music videos because truth be told I like watching my K-Dramas on a bigger screen, better for my eyes. I hope WITH S2 doesn’t get shut down just because of some people who refuse to get it. Come on guys you know how disappointing it is to watch K-dramas with bad subtitles, it will drive you stark raving mad!!!!
I have created a pretty basic tutorial that will run through the process of download and watching dramas if anyone would like to have a look here: http://merriwether.wordpress.com/2007/12/25/korean-drama-watching-guide/ . Please read this before asking any questions. If anyone has any further questions, feel free to ask on my blog.
Ofcourse subbing takes time. It’s true to, people need to learn how to work with watching and downloading videos and subs on their own time. I’ve never had a problem with it. Either i spend time downloading and working with unfamilular programs or i buy the drama when it comes out.
It’s quite simple. I doubt not watching the next episode to something is going kill someone… well people shouldn’t think that it’s the end of the world… it’s quite a bad habbit.
Now that i’m better informed, i went on d-addict, google, and yahoo to learn more on softsubs… so i think i got it, not too complicated…and i also noticed that lyptika over on veoh deleted her page.. its such a shame that she went and edited the softsubs to include herself in the credits… kinda disappointed that she was that sneaky, but whats done is done… and the most important thing is that i now know how to get my softsubs to work!!! yeah me!!
well just wanna let u guys know that i think lyptika has shut down her veoh account. anyways i will definitely try to learn how to donwload BT and watch WITH S2 from there! totally support WITHS2 100%!
I was wondering why no Bad Love subs were coming out…
I just went to check on some of the streaming sites and found out a lot more of these hard-subbers.
These hard-subbers are so thick-skinned and so shameless that they even removed WithS2’s warnings about no hard-subbings or streaming in the soft-subs and even took credit for themselves. These people should be teach a hard lesson and learn to respect people. Subbers are not selfish and we have our reasons for setting up rules. Fan-subbers will die out completely because of these people’s stupid acts.
So instead of thinking when the next subs will come, why don’t we think of stopping the hard-subbers first before they bring ‘death’ to all fan-subs.
I don’t think that the people uploading are trying to be shameless or mean or anything. They do credit the subbers and they probably didn’t understand the reasons. They just know that some people can’t download all these files to watch their fave dramas. But I completely understand why the WITH S2 guys have decided to stop releasing subs, it’s unfair to them because they are doing everyone a GREAT service by subbing all these dramas. (I know I depend on them). Thanks for the update Javabeans. I hope the uploaders listen and WITH S2 will be up and running again soon.
javabeans, this is an excellent post that can help explain to the MANY viewers of dramas uploaded on streaming sites why it is BAD to upload the subs on those sites. If you don’t mind, i think it will help if we post the link to this post on sites featuring WITH S2’s subs to inform more people.
**runs off to mackiproductions1 and lyptika’s veoh/youtube accounts**
Personally, I think it’s so much more easier on my hard drive and myself to watch softsubs. Often times, the quality on Veoh and YouTube is terrible and I really REALLY prefer to have a high-quality video and a small sized .srt file to go with it. =/
But yes, it’s hard to tame the internet community. It’s always one (wo)man for her/himself.
@ Melissa #57 thanks for expressing how I feel. I started downloading from bittorrent inthe beginning but have had such a hard time. sorry, but veoh is easier and I’m usually pressed for time. HOWEVER I will go to plan B (beg brother to show me how to use the clubbox and bittorrent) because I DO want to support WITHS2’s decision.
Javabeans…thanks for you’re wonderful blog as always….hope you and the rest of the k-drama addicts have a great Christmas and a wonderful New Year!!!!
It’s NOT that hard!
Like it’s been said a billion times, READ THE TUTORIALS.
Everything is FREE. The least YOU could do is put in some effort to learn these things.
(asdfklajdlkfjakldj. I’m going insane….)
i was wondering how lyptika was dealing with all the comments left on her page…
and well… her accounts closed! so i guess something got to her.
one down.
many more to go…
^__^
Lyptika profile has been deleted…i do think that s2 decision is totally right…i support you all the way..without s2 i wil not be able to understand the korean drama have been aired..do what you have to do…
well, I´m glad that withS2 don´t want to retire from subbing forever.. I´ll be waiting patiently for ur comeback and yeah.. my prob wasn´t that I couldn´t download the raw file, sub and then putting them altogether to watch.. but is just that my pc has been messing up lately and when I watch then the sound and picture don´t come at the same time.. with other words, but pc is old and can´t take it any longer… well, I´ll just have to buy another one and watch the dramas I guess..^^ now when uploading is stricyly banned.
BUT A MILLION OF THANKS FOR SUBBING ALL THESE AWESOME DRAMAS AND YOU GUYS ARE KINDA THE BEST FANSUBBING GROUP I KNOW OF..(COS OF THE DRAMACHOICE^^)
Great time that fansubbers team teach others a lesson!! Go WithS2… hope that other subbing team will go onto the bandwagon and stop producing subs for a long period of time (say a whole year)
Totally supporting WITH S2’s decision. I’ve watched most of the series subbed by WITH S2 and really appreciate for fast, efficient and quality subs. I’d rather wait than having the group shut down because of legal issues.
wow…i didnt know about the hardsub/softsub issue… and i was thnking wether lyptika is part of the WITH S2 and yet she’s german? was a bit confused there…sadly, i haf to admit im one of the ignorant ppl… im just a person who fell in love with kdramas then was recommmended veoh.com and search for gud dramas and uploaded them (yea,some of them are by lyptika and i did like her subs and vids but i thought she was in the subbing squad) … WARGH!!! I DIDNT KNOW… yup i’ll look up more info on WITH S2…
wow, i guess with the popularity of kdramas and movies growing.. dis subbing issue is growing out of control… in the end it’ll effect the benefits for the distributors huh… the money makes it matter in the end i guess….
well, i’ve only downloaded and not uploaded…but is it wrong of me to keep the dramas ive downloaded? i like to keep collections(burn it into dvds)..so that i can watch again.. my frens(just my normal few of gfs) sumtimes borrow my cd to watch…is it equivalent to not supporting WITH’s cause?
is it?…feeeling guilty but ive spend my hols downloading them (now my semester break is over so i gotta go back to college and yea room got no internet)..so kinda torn between deleting them and not..
hmm, pls comment dis..help..
ps: the kdramas im gonna download in the future will definitely not include ones with hardsubbed…
yup lyptika’s account in veoh are closed…i was wondering but now i know… where do i dl the vids and softsubs(i know they’re not available now but its for later)? d addicts rite?
i hope everything goes back to normal soon! i really miss watching asian dramas…but i can’t watch until you guys post your eng subs! please resolve this issue soon!
you have the right to be angry WITH S2 but how can we help you to resolve this issue bec u guys are one no the best Subbing group ^^ i really admire you ^^
diana – for videos you can download torrent files (d-addicts) or use clubbox (WITHS2 clubbox or other users, pls search on soompi for other clubbox users). Softsubs are also available on d-addicts
Glad to hear lyptika has shut down her veoh account. I just wonder if there are other people like lyptika, or should we watch out for lyptika part 2? What if lyptika just makes another account using a different name? I guess more people will be on the lookout now that they are aware of WITHS2’s policy.
I think most of us support WITH S2’s decision of temporarily stopping subtitles releases. Why can’t users read the instructions explicitly stated by the group? I have been enjoying K-dramas (and J-dramas) via d-addicts. For RAW files, I will download the soft-subs graciously provided by WITH S2 via d-addicts as well. How hard is that (and I consider myself not that computer savvy)? If you don’t understand how to do it, then ask and read up! If you can understand the nuances and plots of the K-dramas you are watching, why can’t you understand the simple instructions given? Ignorance is not an excuse. It boils down to plain laziness and ingratitude on the user’s part. WITH S2 has been too kind, generous and nice to us. As a result, we take this service for granted. I really want to thank WITH S2 for all the time and effort spent on doing the ‘donkey job’ of releasing good quality subs. I really appreciate the good work and am in FULL SUPPORT of the current decision. For those who are hardsubbing and streaming the subs, I hope that you respect and comply with the group’s request immediately. Please think of the English-speaking K-drama fan community who want to continue watching great K-dramas for a long time.
Merry Christmas everyone!
Because I got hooked on kdramas I took the time (and it was less than 1/2 hour) to learn how to get my account at clubbox, install the software, and start downloading. I did all that without knowing any Korean, just did Google searches and followed the wonderful and easy instructions people already had on the Internet. I also took the time (less than 1/2 hour) to learn and install utorrent to download from d-addicts.
It takes me less than 2 hours usually to download an episode from With S2’s clubbox, and since I monitor the torrents I upload at d-addicts I know it can take some people less than 2 hours to download an episode from d-addicts. But even if it takes 8 hours to download, it probably takes way more time than that for With S2’s team to sub that episode. They do this for free, so can’t you hardsub watchers respect their wishes and take the extra time and effort to watch softsubs?
Thank you, thank you, thank you With S2 for subbing Golden Bride (currently my favorite kdrama), and all the other kdrama’s I’ve downloaded from your clubbox!
Merry Christmas to everyone!
The news that WITHS2 has temporarily stopped subbing actually is a relief to me. It means we still have the chance and perhaps in the future they will continue subbing. I got interested into Korean dramas in 2003 with Attic Cats. I didn’t know then but later it would become an impact on my life. After watching a few dramas I started to watch Korean movies. They are now my keen interest even though I still enjoy the dramas and I wouldn’t be able to enjoy anything if it wasn’t subbed. Whenever I see a new drama that is about to come out I always check and see if WITHS2 will be subbing it and they usually are. I’m not sure if WITHS2 will be subbing dramas forever but I’m happy they are doing it now. Korean movies and dramas are perhaps the only things I have to look forward to everyday. The only thing that really nags at me now is that I have never thanked them properly. I have at least tried almost every drama they have subbed. Thanks WITHS2!! Fighting!
I feel sad that it has come to this, but I feel that WITH S2 have made the correct decision. I really love their work, some of my favorite shows have been subbed by them, such as Coffee Prince, Golden Bride, Legend, Dal Ja’s Spring, Full House and Gong. Yes, I too started watching KDramas on VEOH, but after discovering how easy it is to use torrents, and then clubboxes (which I now use exclusively) I don’t think that I’ll ever go back to VEOH.
What about sites like http://www.mysoju.com/ ? Many of the shows that they are streaming are from WITH S2 subs. There just seem to be so many sites like this out there…..
I hope that all of this streaming stops, and that we can continue to watch the KDramas that we know and love.
HI ALL.. FIRST, DRAMABEANS — i REALLY REALLY LOVE YOUR WEBSITE…
Anyway, all this talk of not being able to watch kdramas online with english subs is saddening…. I’m a fairly new fan of kdramas (started watching just this year) and I really have no idea that it’s a bad thing to watch it on streaming sites –> I have watched from dal jas spring from mysoju.. I kinda feel guilty now for watching it from there which means I’m supporting their website and causing problems for the one who’s originally doing the hard work… So now that I understand WITH S2’s point, I promise to learn all those things about clubbox, torrents or whatever..
Can someone recommend a site that has the easiest to comprehend instructions (I am soooo not a techie person, that’s why I usually just buy the DVDs)….
Dramabeans, thanks for putting up this website…
actually lyptika have choose not to upload any video last time..i don’t know but i read it somewhere that mention that she will stop but later on she continue upload it on veoh maybe bcos she think that it won’t jepordize the s2 team..but i’m glad that she finally have the guts to close down her account..
Okay, firstly, how hard it is to download from MU or other direct download sites? It takes me like 20 minutes to an Hr to download one episode. I just go to IU (idols unlimited forums) or Soompi and get all my dramas.
Torrents is so easy too. It takes like a few steps. First, download a torrent program. Then, go to a drama torrent site such as D-addicts. Pick a drama you want and the torrent program does everything. If no one is seeding, whine until someone does. I say it takes like a few seconds and a few steps.
Why do people want to watch from Youtube and Veoh, the quality is horrendous.
I don’t get it. It’s not hard and it doesn’t take that long if you have a good internet connection.
People need to get a job and buy a better internet connection. I’m pathetically poor and I still pay high prices for a good internet connection. I say, it’s more filling than food.
Pretty easy to download even from torrents. For those who are lazy to use torrent, find yourself a seedbox clan (a clan that have a server dedicated for downloading/seeding torrents). After downloading the file, you can download it directly from the server with any download managers and that would make your life easier.
Honestly, with all the comments here, asking questions is FUTILE.
Best advice: GOOGLE.
(There’s a ton of people who have written detailed instructions to help people just like you. Just google what you need help on and I AM 100% SURE you’ll find the instructions somewhere. Now go!)
I would like to say that I am also one of those who learnt to torrent and use Clubbox from scratch, and there are so many great people out there who have posted instructions and are even available for us to talk to if we run into problems. I have never been a supporter of streaming sites and much prefer torrenting and clubboxing for my dramafiles. WithS2 has been a major major source of my drama subs, and I appreciate SO MUCH the great job you guys do in bringing kdrama to us nonkorean speaking fans. And I have to say, despite the availability of commercial versions, I still prefer fansubbed versions, because their quality is WAY BETTER. Fansubbers do it out of love for the drama and actors, and you can tell from the effort they make in their subtitles as opposed to those commercial subs made by God knows who, but obviously ppl who are just in it for the money and have no pride in doing a good job. And I’m not saying that’s true for everyone but at least I can say in a vast majority of the work that I’ve come across.
WANDERGIRL….thx for ur help… actually there is a user named lyptika2 in veoh but i donno if its the same person…however her accounts totally empty…no vids,picture…nada!
anyway…can sumone reply my comment on #75? i need a second opinion…or third..or fourth..or infinity…huhu
@ diana in response to #75…
This is just my personal opinion, but I think that if you were to burn them just for your own enjoyment, and not redistribute them or sell them or re-upload and stream them on the web, I don’t see that there should be any problem. I think the main problem here is that WITH S2 doesn’t want a lot of public attention being brought to the group and hardsubbing and streaming the vids does just that.
I haven’t burned any TV dramas, but I have burned Kmovies onto DVDs for my own personal enjoyment and to invite friends over to watch it on the TV.
Maybe someone else has a different opinion, but that’s mine
HTH
[...] Paula placed an observative post today on Comment on WITH S2 fansubbing policy by PaulaHere’s a quick excerptI haven’t burned any TV dramas, but I have burned Kmovies onto DVDs for my own personal enjoyment and to invite friends over to watch it on the TV. Maybe someone else has a different opinion, but that’s mine HTH. [...]
what is seeding? i tried google but i dont tink the answers are for this case…
thx paula =) .. great to hear that. anybody disagree? *cross fingers*
in response to post 75
i think burning them for your OWN is not a problem.. as long as you do not distribute … them in any way..
but you have to be careful in lending to somebody else… maje sure they will not post or stream it online..
BOTTOMLINE IN THIS ISSUE:
we should all be thankful for fan subbing teams like WITH S2, for their service is free and they don’t expect anything in return ….
subbing requires a whole lot of time and is no joke at all..
the least we could do is to respect , support and obey their rules…
“we” as non korean fans should do the check ourselves and make sure ABSOLUTELY NO ENG SUBBED UPLOADS.. from this moment on… if we want to continue watching and enjoying the korean dramas we have learned to love.
diana, I found this through google
http://www.dessent.net/btfaq/
You just have to search the right terms, it’s not that difficult. Let’s not be so lazy people or just don’t bother watching dramas at all.
THANK YOU x 1000 infiniti to the WITHS2 Subbing Team for all the great selfless work you all do for all of us. HUGS E
Thanks for telling us. Well, actually I’m already aware of this.. I do have a Veoh account, but I upload RAW HQ episodes only. ^^;; Hmm, now lyptika’s account is closed, but I know on Veoh, fhavictym and Vivagirl upload WITHS2 subs. And on MySoju.com they have A LOT of WITHS2 subs. I want to help stop them, but I don’t really don’t know how. Do I just ask them to stop then? =\
As an Idiot speaking, I love to watch K -drama but I don’t know much about computer and especially about softwares. I did learn how to down load from d-addicts.com but beause of my brain is very little so … I have to watch those drama on Veoh/youtube… so am I commit a crime for something call copyright?
I really like WITHS2, and I totally understand their hard work, however I’m also thanks to those uploaders out there too. So please you guys don’t have to point out those uploaders to make WITHS2 see your support. I bet those smart uploaders would know what they need to do. Oh well, for you who want to support WITHS2 just use paypal to show to supportive side.
thank you WITHS2 !!you have made an amazing job, Hope this conflict will not take too long … but you have all my support !!
okay, so i’ve spent the last 2 hours trying to figure out how to watch the vids and getting the subs to come up. one solution that i’ve found to be the easiest is by using veoh. don’t get mad yet, i’m not talking about watching the hardsubbed vids. there are users that upload just the raw video. they are convenient and takes less time to download. anyways, i will write down step by step. i am computer challenged so i understand the importance of getting the instructions as simple as possible.
1. download the (raw) video from one of the veoh users using the veoh player. (i will use the drama bad love as my example since that’s what i used to figure it out)
2. d/l the subtitle file (ends in .srt) from soompi. (my example, bad love episode 1: http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/download.php?id=25215eos) make sure u remember which folder u place the subs under. i just put it onto my desktop.
3. once the d/l on video and subs (.srt file) are done i went to the video, right clicked on it, and picked the option ‘find on my pc’. ur veoh folder will pop open and it will show the video there. (my example here, showed the video as BadLoveEp.01.flv). i renamed the folder to .avi for my GOM player (u can d/l this player for free, just google GOM player)
4. i located the subtitle file on my desktop. (the file that ends in .srt) dragged it into the veoh folder.
5. rename the .srt file so it has the same name as the video. (my example here: video name was BadLoveEp.01.avi, i renamed the .srt file as BadLoveEp.01.srt)
6. double click on the video and it should play with subs.
Thanks WithS2 for all the hard work. It’s greatly appreciated.
And honestly, I am the most computer challenged idiot on this planet so if i can figure out a way to see vids with subs without making the subbing group unhappy so can everyone else. Happy New Years!!!
OMG WITH S2 are uploading subs again! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! I hope things keep going well for WITH S2..Keep up the amazing work!
OK, I fully admit I was one of those who had no clue what all the hardsub & softsub issue was all about. I did not even know what they meant! But I did watch Lyptika & Mackie’s videos thinking they did all the translation. And I used to think they were so hardworking to get so many done so quickly! Now I feel like a real tool and terribly sorry.
I am a Mac user so had problems with Clubbox – I did try to get on there & follow the instructions from a kind person who wrote a tutorial for non-Koreans. But it did not work on my Mac so I am just relying on bittorrent now. Have not tried to play the softsubs with the raw (as it has been downloading for the last day & the reason why I preferred streaming as my Internet connection is limited) yet so fingers crossed.
Glad S2 is back and I will keep at it till I can do it the right way instead of visiting the streaming pirates.
@ Lily 101….
I’ve also noticed that pashanne on VEOH has RAWs of Legend of the Four Gods uploaded as well, so you could do the same thing with that series (another one of my favorites)
Thanks for those instructions! I’ve actually used VEOH before as well to download RAW episodes of Golden Bride and watched them with the WITH S2 subs in the exact same way that you described, except that I don’t use GOM, I use Windows Media Player, which does the exact same thing
@ jenn 102……
I don’t know if WITH S2 has necessarily as a group started subbing again. I know that Yi San has just released new subs, but that was a special project taken on by 2 members of the group, Mrs Korea and mily2, and doesn’t seem to be a part of WITH S2, because Yi San is not listed under the groups official site with their current projects. Plus, the announcement is still listed on their Dramawiki Fabsub page about discontinuing their subs.
I sincerely hope though, that enough people will realize that they are hurting, rather then helping, when they upload hardsubs and streamed videos. And lets hope that WITH S2 does continue their subs in the near future. They have done a tremendous amount of work and I am afraid that their efforts have been taken for granted by too many people who have refused to listen to their wishes.
Thanks once again WITH S2 for all that you’ve done, and I hope to see more of your wonderful work in 2008
i think lyptika is a russian girl living in germany..
reading through the announcement etc – i make out that uploading subs (hardsub) to streaming websites is dangerous because those companies (who are trying to catch the streaming providers for breach of copyright) may target WITHS2 subbing group.. am i right on this? (cause i’m still blur on the actual fear of breach of copyright with hardsubbing – cause taking the step to sub any drama without actual permission is a breach in itself already)
with regards to watching online videos, here’s some reasons I encountered myself in downloading a drama
1. clubbox usually works quite slow outside of korea/US (slower now in fact).. most of the not-so-hit-dramas are 700 MB (hit dramas mostly now are 700MB too) and it’ll take nearly a whole day to download one episode. MQ files which are good substitutes to HQ files are very hard to find.(naynay don’t do much of kdramas anymore). LQ doesn’t give the kick of a drama
- of course, one solution: be patient.
2. some addicts (like me) are students, living in hostel where p2p softwares (like clubbox) are strictly banned.
- so clubbox bit torrent is out.
3. the most popular file host is megaupload (for direct links). But megaupload have a country download slot limit. Like in malaysia, its almost impossible get through, unless, you download the Alexa toolbar , which, is said to be categorised as a spyware. Conservative person like me would not jeopardise my comp with potential spywares.
- by the way, does buying membership avoids country download limit??
4. one way to counter attack expired links for filehost is through streaming sites. for those who can’t use clubbox, some dramas are not uploaded to filehosts, and the the other source will be streaming sites. something like archiving the drama.
- bad habit, lame excuse but it happens
BY the way, not everyone has the best, fastest connection … in some country, connection sucks and its expensive… so you won’t be able to get a HQ of megaupload in 30 mins… bear in mind there’s 3 parts to a HQ, each part taking up at least an hour, and between 2 parts you’ll get a 5 hours limit block (for free users)…so pls before you say “how easy it is to download from MU/ any other filehost” pls consider people like us.
though with that said, I respect WITHS2 decision 100% … (i’m patiently trying to get my files through MU, hacking here and there)
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to my understanding, WITHS2 produced subs are not to be distributed in any site (as the original soft sub state with all credits intact).. is that right?
i respect that subbers deserve all the credit for the subs – no doubt bout it.
just a danger i see is that if all the addicts are directed to d-addicts to download the subs, the only place to get the subs, won’t that make d-addicts a big target for breaching? compared if kind of spreading the risk around..
i may be ignorant in this field – i apologize…
thx lingling and merriweather…
Last news I got :
Lyptika’s account on Veoh has been completely removed. That’s very good news BUT I checked and she’s got an account on Dailymotion. There’s no videos for now but I think it’s better to wait to be sure she doesn’t upload anything on that one.
Off topic, but I am a little disturbed…..
What’s up with comment number 92? Why am I quoted on another site? That’s a little disturbing……
if you click on #92, it takes you to a different site where they quoted me, but why?
ah yes sorry diana… pOst n° 108 is actually mine but I hadn’t noticed the nick was wrong.
Hi Drama bean. I thank you for all your hard work and could someone please teach me step by step how to download with sub. I have been waiting patiently for Bad love and I dont mind paying to watch it. Pls. help.
Thanks again and All the best to your team. You guys are the best. Keep it up.
Seems like lyptika won’t be uploading on veoh anymore, she put a message on her dailymotion account: “3 hours ago by lyptika
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I won’t upload any asian dramas on veoh anymore, so sorry guys. The best ones are beeing subbed by WITH S2 anyways. Peace out!
I can totally understand you. You are RIGHT!
By the way WITH S2 is my fav fansub group! I hope you’ll continue the work ‘coz you always sub my fav dramas. May I say we have the same style! Thank You!
agreed
as a translator of WITHS2, i feel that this issue needed to be addressed LONG time ago, but everyone was too nice in WITHS2, that they addressed it NOW.
(hehehehe… it seems im the evil one of the group.)
i always got angry when i found hardsubbed versions of our subs floating around here and there, especially since i know how long it took for us to release it, but i kept it inside and didn’t say anything.
im glad that a lot of people took notice and AGREE with our policy that our softsubs shouldn’t be hardsubbed. XD
thank you everyone for your support~.
but what’s this thing about “no further releases”?
i never heard anything about that from the other members. o.o
*runs to ask*
you are not the only evil one beeni! *stab* ^_^
“no further releases” means we will not release any more of our work to the public until these bad apples honor/comply with our requests.
everyone thank you for your continued support and please help us to let those hardsubbers know how much harm they are inflicting.
The thing is (I went a lurking to see the comments regarding the lyptika issue ‘cos I felt so betrayed by her duplicity) that many of her fans have no clue what the real issue is. Probably like me if I had not read this page and realised what they had done. So poor Veoh is getting the brunt of it and they are all on a “oh poor lypitka & bad old Veoh being like youtube” bash. And WITHS2 is also getting a bad rap for being mean! Oh the injustice of it … *tears off chunk of beef jerk*
Just want to say…
Before WITH S2 take drastic action, i watch on veoh comment under lyptika and makieproduction, if 100 comment just 1 comment that tell them to stop, and 99 support them. “Please dont stop…” “Love you…” and many more. I even comment to stop then it just be ignored, and if someone tell them rudely, they bashing that person.
After WITH S2 stop release sub, it kinda 50-50… still they have support. But i think that a good action that WITH S2 take. cuz many comment ask them to stop uploading…
I know that i also suffer for sub getting late release but i really annoying with this issue… I’m part the fansubbing too… it really take a lot of person and work to finish 1 episode. Sometime I even stay up to finish timing, and we now that WITH S2 always have fast sub, it really rushing to finish very faster. That for free! And still they dont want to learn how to watch avi and srt file together…
“Keep free fansubbing alive”
Hi, I’m totaly agree with WITH S2’s decision, to stop sub-english for a while, to make understand uploaders to not use her work, even it was easier to see it at veoh or you tube, but as javabeans said, we have to learn how to download at our computeres, of course it would take more time to us but we have to think in all WITH S2 hard job so if we still want to enjoy korea dramas, just make what she ask since she has all the right to put the rules to use her work.
I thankful to WITH S2 for her hard job, thank to her I have seen many kdramas and I loved it and I hope she can still working on it. I really love all the work she has been making and I hope WITH S2 not to stop it.
I’m thinking fansubbing in general is getting angry with streaming sites and hardsubbing. Like anime fansubbing is also getting fed up with the people hardsubbing and uploading. It’s true if you truly want to watch you can download and if your computer is too slow borrow a friends. O_o; Whatever.. Keep FANSUBBING ALIVE. You will regret it when it’s gone.
Hi, I download dramas from clubbox and torrents and never use anything like veoh so Im assuming lyptika hardsubbed WithS2’s subs on raw file and upload on veoh which leads to the issue right now. Apparently WithS2 has stopped distributing subs although they are still making them?!!? Am I right? There are progresses on their webpage but all subs are on hold. So how can WithS2 be sure that lyptika will stop doing what she has been doing? I wonder how people can keep track of this lyptika girl? She can easily just change her nick and keep on doing whatever she is doing.
Dont get me wrong but in a way lyptika was being nice to those who cant use clubbox and torrents and like dramas. I understand that not many people like myself who can download upto 85gb per month worth of korean dramas so if Im in those other people’s shoes I would use veoh and of course thank lyptika for her generosity. BUT since I dont use veoh, am now angry at her for causing problems because there is no sub released at all.
The last thing I want to address is….what is lyptika getting out of streaming WithS2 subs with the raw? Why would she waste her time and effort to do something like this? She must have othing else better in life to do ..
Hi Avocado
In case you were wondering why these people are so generous with their time and effort, putting up hardsubs on streaming sites, its because they earn money from their blog with ads targeted to their site.
mysoju.com even has a Web Site Audience Profiles from Quantcast.
check this out http://www.quantcast.com/mysoju.com
It’s okay by me for the little money most blogs make, because I usually support these sites that interest me anyway. It is very little support for the time the fan subbers spend creating fan subs.
Very smart of mysoju.com to have a site that attracts a lot of interest and generates a lot of hits to their site. Very little work for their audience so they get lots of hits. They get hits also just by having people check ing for new releases.
Releases by the way that they get from d-addicts. very minimal work on mysoju’s end. The fan subbers do most of the really hard work. This is why it is disrepectful to the real fan subbers.
you might even notice how these streaming sites want to add other web sites onto their blog pages so they can have more exposer to their site. the more hits from their link to other links, the more money for them.
try google how to make money by blogging, it’s an eye opener. Mysoju looks to be in the business of making money off someone else’s hard work.
I totally support and understand you guys! And you’re right – it’s NOT difficult to watch raws with srt-files (using Veoh to download raws and GOM player is excellent with srt). There are so many friendly people who are ready to instruct those who cannot yet (brilliant comments above!). I wish you guys good and better New Year and hope that you can keep up your work:D
i respect and support With S2, i hope with a new year and new dramas approaching people will follow the rules and still be able to enjoy some new dramas. I hope With S2 resumes soon. I am really looking forward to Hong Gil Dong and I Love You, although I’m not sure if they are picked up by a subbing group yet.
I confess! I was under the assumption that a certain uploader(won’t say who, I’m sure most people know) was part of WITH2, I read somewhere someone said that this person was part of WITH2 and this person never corrected that post.
I have become such a kdrama addict my family wants to send me to rehab, lol.
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I think it was Paula who said she burns kmovies, I actually do the same(with dramas too).
I first started watching kdramas it was on youtube, then I found veoh and crunchyroll, but to be honest I hate having to watch videos in parts. I rather watch the whole thing at once, which is why I started looking into torrents. It seemed a bit confusing at first, but once you find a bittorrent client and install it all you need to do is click on a torrent (I use utorrent and download from d-addicts) and wait for it to download. Since I started using utorrent a few months ago, I don’t have the need to visit streaming sites anymore. Plus I can burn my downloaded dramas and watch it on tv, which is much better for my eyes. And of course, they are for my personal entertainment only(it’s not like anyone else at home shares my passion for kdramas
So my apologies to WITH2 for not realizing sooner the damage I was causing for watching through streaming sites. I support you guys wholeheartedly and thank you for all your hard work. I’m truly greatful to you guys because if it wasn’t for you then we wouldn’t be able to enjoy the world of Kdramas. A million thanks and hope to see the fruits of your continuing labor soon.
Happy New Year every one and lets keep supporting WITH2!
(wow! this is long, sorry)
Slow internet, restricted access, blah blah blah. Basically, in this context, they are all excuses.
Bottom line: If you can’t stop depending on streaming sites for fansubs, then there will be no fansubs at all. Clear?
So let me ask: what choice will you make? (I hope the answer is obvious.)
At least everyone’s trying to do what they can on their end in order to support WITHS2’s decision. And that’s THE MOST important thing.
I rarely watch with s2’s subs mainly cos I dislike the translations from Chinese subs and the bad timing but thats not why I’m posting.
Do you really think that by posting on d-addicts they licensers don’t know? They see it. And the fact that they’re still uploading the actual episodes on d-addicts and Clubbox is illegal. If they were truly worried, the best way to avoid being known is to go completely anonymous. It’s a little hard on a tracker on d-addicts but there are loads of other trackers besides d-addicts that could accommodate a few dramas.
Having work being uploaded without consent isn’t just the drama fansubbing community’s problem. The anime fansubbers deal with their stuff being uploaded all the time and they don’t stress out. If a company sends a C&D they just remove the stuff as requested. If they continue subbing they continue anonymously under different names and trackers.
Oh and you’ve not quite grasped the whole hardsub softsub thing. You can get softsubbed files which have the raw and the subtitles in muxed into it but you can still watch it without displaying the subs.
Hello ‘Anonymous’. I am sorry you dislike our translations and timing – maybe you should provide a better service since you are so much more adept.
Do we think that the licensers don’t know? Of course they know, that has never been a question and you seem to be missing the entire point of the current situation. You are speaking about two different beasts by nature. Anime fansubbers most of the time do hardsubs – which is why they have to go through the hassles with licensers that you speak of (changing names, using different trackers, etc.)
This would be exactly opposite of our approach – we are a fansub group that makes fansubs only. We do not make RAW files nor do we make hardsubs. To the best of my knowledge there is nothing illegal about creating a subrip file and making it available to others. Your recommendation of muxing our work with RAW files is exactly of the sort wherein the trouble with legality lies – this would be no different to and just as illegal as hardsubbing a licensed work.
Personally, I find your comment rude and insulting. Nowhere do you provide any useful constructive information or even a viable alternative to the situation. Your suggestion is to blatantly break the law and hide behind an anonymity title? Give me a break, you have got to have something better than that considering you know everything there is to know about fansubbing.
Hi,
I discover over a year ago K-drama and I have to thanks S2 for their translation making it possible for me to watch and understand what is happening. So Thanks for that.
Even if it not convenient for me I do support S2 decision. I hope that we will be able to see soon their tranlation.
I can totally understand where WITH-S2 group is coming from. with the time and energy put into subbing these dramas for us, being at one point a part-time timer. I was wondering if the IP address of this individual (ruining the pleasure of the subs provided by hardsubbing) can be banned from whatever sites WITH-S2 upload their subs.
If I haven’t said it b/4, thanks WITH-S2 for all your hardwork, and I’m in full support of your decision to temporarily suspend production of the subs.
I support WITH S2 and all, have no problems d/ling and such, do watch from streaming site for convenience. I’m also dismayed that it has gotten to this point where you HAVE to take these measures to protect yourselves. Enough of the background info.
Now my only question is does veoh pay the uploader for number of visits or something? If not how the heck else would they insist upon uploading in face of threats without any sort of direct benefits. And no i don’t consider 20k or how many thanks he gets as benefit. Maybe i’m missing something
I Love WITHS2 and until now, I never wath movie on youtube or veoh. I better download RAW and soft sub file. Hope everyone dont ignore this simple rules.
thanks for this blog entry. i had always wondered why With S2 was so adamant about not having their subtitles put on streaming sites. i’m glad i finally got an explanation. i did use those streaming sites, but i definitely won’t know. i hope the streaming sites comply so that With S2 can start subbing again!
Hi Anonymous, Im quite surprised when you said With S2 has bad translation and timing. Well I dont know Korean so I cant judge the quality of translations but they make sense and make me understand the series so Im happy, timing is really good too. I personally find With S2 the best fansubber out there, fast releases of subs with good quality. You normally find subs a week after the series is shown, like Golden Bride, The Legend, etc, it is REALLY good. I dont think you can name any other fansubbers that can do the same. I think With S2 will be very upset reading your comment, they afterall do all this subbing for free. I dont think you have any rights to say anything here.
People like myself who dont understand Korean, love Korean drama, who dont know how to help are really appreciate what are given. I think if people dont have fast connection, hey you guys can pay more to the ISP providers to get good connection to download raws, internet isnt that expensive nowadays.
WITH S2 are by far the finest fan subtitlers around. Their subbing quality has a lot more meaning to it than our local station. Our local station subtitlers are very good, but WITH S2 adds that little bit of explaination, that help english speaking non koreans understand some of the jests and cultural aspects that we might have missed. They go the extra mile to bring a better understanding to the storyline. I’ve watched dramas subtitled by WITH S2 and then on our local station. If I didn’t watch it with WITH S2 subs first I wouldn’t have had the depth of understanding as when I watch with just our local station subtitles.
I believe that it is because these are fans doing the subtitling, so they put that extra care into their work. The local station subtitlers will sometimes gloss over areas or just skip some of what the charater is saying. You can hear the charater talking, but the subtitle is just one short sentence.
The subtitlers working on Golden Bride was so very quick also.
I have bought some korean dramas in San Francisco chinatown, subtitled by subtitlers with chinese as a first language, and yes those were very bad.
But since I don’t have a good grasp of Korean, even these are better than no subtitles. Especially if no one else has subbed a drama I really wanted to see.
All subtitle groups have merit and are doing the english speaking fans a good service. This is why watching several versions of subtitles will give a better understanding of what the writer was trying to convey.
Thank you very much WITH S2 for all your hard work.
Good luck in the coming New Year.
I am looking forward for when you feel you are ready to do some releases again.
Because I’ve actually watched dramas using your subs, I know you do quality work.
I knew this was going to happen eventually. As with life , it only takes a few people to ruin it for everyone else. I’m in the middle of watching withs2 subbed shows. I hate the fact that people ignore thier policies.
I honestly would not be mad if they closed up shop because of it. They deserve it for utterly ignoring thier blatent requests to stop. I would be mad because withs2 is the best fansub group I have seen , and they really crank out work , so I have mad respect for them and all the work they do.
So people , do as they say and comply. I would hate for them to stop completely because of some people , but if that’s what it takes to teach them , then so be it.
My other main issue is that the Japanese drama watchers are laughing that there are hardly any kdramas , or saying things like “Well they are just korean dramas , no one cares”. I bet if they stopped alot of the jdrama groups we’d get the reverse of this , but I mean , you guys can knock that off too. I honestly am a total korean media wh**e , I love Korean dramas to death so I’m a huge fan of withs2.
So I hope this gets the point across and all the best luck to beans and the withs2 staff. Cheers and Happy new Years.
how would any company know who is subbing these kdramas if no one would put the sub group name to the videos. stop putting the sub groups name with the videos and up load them. if S2 really are doing this for the fans, then just add subs to the videos, but don’t put their sub groups name.
leave the subs as “unknown” and maybe they won’t get in trouble if someone else uploads their stuff.
i am not a uploader or subber, just a kdrama lover.
@138:
Yes, they’re doing it for the fans. But you do have to realize they should get a bit of recognition too. It’s really time consuming to do subs, especially HQ subs. Translations, spot translation, timing, ect. All of that takes a LONG time. It might take you only 45 minutes to watch each episode but takes 10x longer to simply make the subs.
Furthermore, the subs would come from SOME place, wouldn’t it? The companies are not stupid. Even without the names, they can find the website.
If you find that it would be okay if they don’t get any recognition, then how about they simply release to their fave people in the forums they go to (like soompi) for example, and leave everyone out in the dust? Then, their rules get followed, and since the files aren’t spread out, companies would find nothing since the people they released to don’t spread the files. Would that be a better alternative, since it’s still for fans (and grateful fans too) and they won’t get any legal troubles?
@456
which is more important to them getting recognition or spreading the kdrama love?
and releasing it to their favorite people…..who do u think is sharing it now with everyone. forums start off with friends sharing with friends, and friends sharing with their friends, and so on. that is how forums like S2, soompi, & etc get so big.
and even if they stop subbing videos there are other subbing groups out there already subbing the same videos. so if S2 stop subbing videos OH WELL…..kdrama lovers will still find sub videos and watch them.
it may sound like i am hating on S2, but i am not. i respect them for their decision.
again i am not a uploader or subber, just a kdrama lover.
also i do buy kdramas, which takes them forever to get to my house. esp from Yesasia they are a freckin slow company.
I don’t want this to turn into an extended discussion about whether the policy is valid or whatnot, but for clarification purposes:
to c (#138 and #140) and anyone else with similar questions: You may not realize, but subbing policies are discussed EXTENSIVELY within the subbing group. I mean, endless back and forths of what’s the best path of action, discussions ad nauseum. NONE of these decisions are made lightly. And even if a reason for a particular action isn’t patently obvious, chances are THERE’S A GOOD REASON for it. Please don’t disparage an action just because that reason isn’t obvious to you.
As to your particular concern, another issue constantly plaguing subbing groups is the separate issue of our work being sold for profit by others. While With S2 has no desire to profit financially from its work, there have been many, many bootleggers who won’t hesitate to pass off With S2’s work as their own and sell it online. While credits won’t ultimately stop them (we’re not dumb; we know we’re fighting an uphill battle in almost every arena), it’s the hope that when FANS buy these illegal bootlegs, they’ll see the credits and realize they’ve been scammed. Credits aren’t for glory (I mean, my internet handle is pretty anonymous; what’s the point in that kind of hubris?). That’s JUST ONE of the many reasons for one of the many policies put in place by the groups.
is there any idea of when or how this situation is going to be resolved? where is likely the best place to keep updated on this?
No one knows for sure when the situation will be resolve, especially when the shameless mysoju.com has just added Lee San (which is also strictly off-limits for uploading or hardsubbing to their streaming list). Being unable to ‘get hold’ the other dramas soft-subs which withS2 is currently witholding, they are uploading the only subs release that withs2 and friends are currently releasing. So this is going to cause more delays or completely stop in the subs until they and the other uploaders learn a lesson (which is so obviously that they won’t).
But i really think withholding subs will do no good. Even if one uploader stops, others will take over. And frankly, I don’t see the harm in letting people upload dramas to Youtube or what not. Frankly, the RAWs you guys use are huge(not everyone has a huge amount of hard drive space to save them to) and Bittorrent/clubbox/their ilk is really very hard to use unless you’ve got an excellent internet connection, where you can upload a lot and download a lot in return. On crappy connections, 1 episode=1 WEEK to download. Uploading them to the more democratic option of streaming sites gives everyone a chance to share in the Kdrama love. If you take a look at C or J drama subbers, almost all of them have Veoh channels. The more people that get an opportunity to see a drama, the faster word of mouth spreads, resulting, if the companies pay attention to what people like, a license. That’s part of the reason anime companies have been remarkably lenient about fansubbing. It serves as a way to promote shows that deserve licensing. Couldn’t drama fansubbing work on a similar principle?
Frankly I’m sick of people acting like they’re ENTITLED to having every thing their way, demanding they “deserve” it for free and little to no work, with no respect for the people who provide them. You know what? if you can’t get a decent internet connection to get your drama fix? Get a better internet connection or find another way (snail mail disc trades, for instance, like in the days before bittorrent or youtube). Whining that your internet connection is too slow, or the files are too big, is like complaining that you can’t watch DVDs for free when you’re unwilling to buy a DVD player. You know, if you want to enjoy your entertainment, you’ve got to be willing to put in *something* if necessary to partake. And if you can’t, then don’t whine about it because you’re not willing to do what it takes to enjoy something.
I just visited mysoju.com and noticed they are still hosting series using With S2 subtitles. I’m sure they’re aware of the problem, but why can’t they comply with the policies With S2 had set….because of people like them ruined it for everyone else.
Actually, we are suspecting that they (mysoju.com) have their own team of uploaders/hard-subbers (so thick-skinned that they even add their logo on the vids which misleads people to think that they subbed the dramas themselves or are part of the subbing team when it’s actual subbing teams like Withs2, Bons, ect.. who are doing the hard work and they just credit themselves for it). And their vids are never hosted on their actual sites but are streamed from the sites like Youtube,Veoh, etc.. (which the illegal sellers most likely ripped from).
Problems are always created when people want the easy way out instead of thinking that things could be resolved if they think or work a little harder.
For those internet is block or slow, rent or buy the dramas together with your friends and share the costs. Read the spoilers posted on the drama thread (I’m sure there’ll be plenty for a popular drama.)
For those are lazy, be hardworking for once since everything is already given to you for free. I believe that all of you are smart enough to learn and have the conscience to do the right thing before fansubs die out completely.
Then I have a question. If mysoju.com has their own teams to use With S2 subs and credit themselves it would mean that there is no mention of with s2’s name on their hardsubbed files…Then how can With S2 know their subs are used?
#148 Avocado, given the hours and hours that we spend subbing each episode, we can easily recognize our work even when the credits are removed.
Using our softsubs in any way without our consent is just theft, pure and simple. Leaving the credits intact or tampering with them does not alter the fact that hardsubbers are taking something that does not belong to them.
The threat faced by fansubbing groups is very, very real. I experienced that firsthand a few years ago and it’s frightening when the first letter threatening legal action arrives. I thought then that we were just a group of cyber-pals subbing a drama for fun. But it’s never that straightforward. Javabeans explained it very clearly:
“Fansubbing is not legal, and with the popularity of kdramas growing, legitimate companies have licensed the dramas for DVD releases outside of Korea.”
Whatever the hardsubbers’ intentions (good or ill), they are stealing our work and exposing us to great risks. It’s extremely frustrating that they continue to ignore this fact!!
@145non-complainer
I agree with you , because I remember way back in the day , trying to get my drama fix in the early 90s was hard as heck and I traded with family members and friends overseas. So the poor internet should not even be a complaint , and sadly that’s what most people are using as thier excuse to justify the withs2’s work being on Daily Motion , stage 6 , veoh , youtube , and the other endless video sharing sites.
Alot of stuff is on Nico video ( http://www.nicovideo.jp/ ) too , I don’t know how many people go there , without a jp ip address you can only acess the site really late at night for a few hours , but alot of dramas are on there with withs2 subs.
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dear with s2 members..
whenever i watch kdrama using ur subs, i always amused. how come they consistenly n faithfully serve the “nation” for free. i’m thinking of time n energy consuming. and goshhhh.. i really thankful for that. if not because of u, i cant enjoy watching latest kdrama n feel like living in korea coz feel so updated.
n now.. i’m in bad withdrawal syndrome due to ur latest action. come on guys.. give some respect to their works!!
please come back in action with s2 member.. u never imagine how many kdrama lovers silently smile n laugh at a lil corner in this world n i guess now they craving as i am…. =(
n.. i’m sorry i used to enjoy lyptica once upon a time during my lazy day. not anymore!!
I tried to give them (mysoju.com) a comment about this but they seem to ignore. I don’t think they care. OMG, those ignorance people….can’t believe it! People, please do not go to their site and watch those dramas anymore, I think the only way to make that site die is not to go there to watch them. Also, all of us keep sending them letters to let them know….that’s the only way.
With S2, we appreciate your work and totally support your action. We can wait……but I don’t think those people who watch mysoju will have patient like us. Let see who would win this time.
To those lazy budds (excuse my language), when are you going to realize that without S2 sub, you can’t do anything anymore, take that!
I too have left comments at mysoju explaining the situation and asking them to remove their shows, but to no avail. I’ve sent a couple out just in this past week, and they’ve ignored me too, and they don’t post negative comments on their blog under the “contact us” section, only the positive glowing replies from people praising mysoju for their work.
I hope that a resolution for this problem comes soon though, I miss my kdramas too *sigh*
Thanks With S2 for subbing so many kdramas. You have made the last 2 years of my life so much more interesting. To be honest, the first kdrama that I saw was on youtube 2 years ago. Thanks to the signatures, I found my way to d-addicts. Eversince finding d-addicts, I’ve been so spoiled with HQ videos, I can’t bare to watch stuff on streaming sites. Like many people have said it’s not difficult to read the tutorials on soft subs or dling on torrent. It takes some time and a lot of it is trial and error until you find what works for you. Honestly the easiest player is VLC player. It’s self contained, so you don’t have to mess with any codecs on your computer, it even works on Win Vista.
Again Thanks WITH S2 you have been so awesome.
lol. this is wha i wrote to their “comments page”:
thanks mysoju for making the subbers stop putting out softsubs because this site wont comply to their wishes. i hope you guys are happy that us fans are the ones at a disadvantage. my comment will probably not go on board but i’m still writing it!!!
maybe they’re ignorant enough to not note the sarcasm in that. lol. cause, well, they surely don’t know how to follow rules. it’s really quite annoying, that site specifically. they even sound as if they’re the ones doing all the hard work in subbing, etc.
143 says:
“No one knows for sure when the situation will be resolve, especially when the shameless mysoju.com has just added Lee San…”
When I saw this, I was very angry like many people here…
Mysoju ignore totally WITHS2 wishes and threat.
But well, me and a lot of people, fan of Korean drama, can wait a long time, it’s not the problem, if it’s the only way to resolve this issue, I’m (and a lot of people again) with you.
I am really angry like many of you here since I have repeatly asked (mysoju.com) to stop streaming WITHS2 subs but they have continously ignored it. WITHS2 have worked hard to bring us these wonderful subs and I will wait until mysoju stops streaming the subs. I hope WITHS2 will keep fansubbing alive, but I agree tat WITHS2 shouldn’t release their subs until sites like mysoju comply.
It’s me again…..yea i know u guys don’t want to hear from me, but i am not here to argue with anyone. i just would like to point out a few things…..
many of you have said that the way you found out about kdramas was by going to youtube, dailymotion,etc, but now you don’t want kdramas to be uploaded their because now you figured out how to go to clubbox and so on. But what about people who are just now getting into kdramas and other korean shows, or know nothing about kdramas……how are they going to find out about these great shows if they are taken off at those streaming sites?……
and many of the people that watch kdramas are non-asians that don’t have people overseas to share or get shows from…….
and sites like clubbox are in korean or chinese, and hard to navigate through to download these shows.
sites like mysoju.com or uploaders like Lyptika (who i don’t know either persons) actually help to spread kdrama and other asian dramas to those who wouldn’t otherwise know about Asian Entertainment.
why don’t With S2 try working with these sites (like mysoju.com) so that people will know that those are subs are from them (but without the With S2 label….so that they won’t get in trouble with any companies that have licenses over those shows)
lets work together people- subbers, uploaders, and kdrama lovers.
i am not a subber, uploader, or work with mysoju.com, just a kdrama lover.
ok i won’t leave anymore comments because i know i will get bash, which bashing doesn’t bother me, but just to be respectful to others . because if i get bash i tend to bash back and my bashing can be a bit harsh when i get started.
bye
c (#158), you’re free to express your opinion, that’s no problem. but i fear you’re still missing the overall point. although streaming sites can have the positive effect of exposing fans to more dramas, ultimately the negative outweighs the positive. whether or not YOU (or others) agree, the fansub group has deemed it a risk to their existence. surely you’d rather see fansubbed dramas available elsewhere (even if it takes more work to find them) than entirely gone.
since you are not a subber, uploader, or a mysoju affiliate, please trust the fansubbers’ discretion in deeming streaming sites to be more risk than they’re worth. it’s nice that you’ve put thought into a possible solution, but if the group finds that course of action untenable, there are reasons for it.
so what are fans to do? well, switch from being a passive viewer to a more active one. you can still get access to pretty much whatever you want if you look for it. (even if you have a crappy internet connection or problems with clubbox or whatever, if you act politely and ask nicely, there are always people willing to help. i’ve even sent people discs in the mail because i wanted to spread drama love. [please don't everyone email me to ask for dramas now!] people got by back in ye olden days before youtube — things are so easy now, there are tons of ways to get what you want if you put in a little effort.) really, at this point, this isn’t a discussion that’s up for debate. the subbers have made their choice (all with GOOD REASON) and they hope you’ll support their decision.
c@ I don’t care how old you are or threatening you sound like but I’ll just take it as a comment of an ignorant kid. First of all, I believe that you don’t know bad the situation Withs2 (and other subbing groups as well ) is now facing because of these leechers, uploaders & streamers (whether they have good intentions like you said). We are the ones that are getting the legal letters and warnings (I’m saying this because we already got them) right now by companies who hold the copyrights of these dramas (they won’t care if it helps promoting their dramas when their profits is not coming in and also there are illegal sellers who are ripping from the streaming sites). Like Sarah said “Fansubbing is illegal”, and the subbing groups are more targeted by legal issues because of the people who are hard-subbing/streaming using the original soft-subs exposed fansubbing to more danger. Why? Because attacking the first source is the thing that’ll come to the legal companies’ mind as things will not get complicated if there are no fansubs in the first place.
No fansubs–> No hard-subbing/streaming–> no viewing
So stop finding excuses to justified these uploaders or uploading sites, the damages that they have done has already gone too far for us to keep quiet anymore about the legal procedures that now going against us. I really do feel like crying right now as I type because of the pressure WithS2 is going through and these thick-headed people just keep accusing us for being selfish without understanding or thinking at all.
Like many of you, I’ve left comments on mysoju.com several times asked them to remove all subs by With S2, but the messages never came through. I didn’t know they only showed positive comments and not the bad ones. No wonder, I only see compliments from their comment page. Regarding them using With S2 subtitle without giving credits to the team is a shameful act.
Like many of you I happened upon d-addicts through veoh and uploaders such as mackie and lyptika. How these uploaders survive when Veoh is owned by one of the media giants still amazes me. What about copyright issues with these people? They are much more blatant.
The unfortunate thing is these days that anything associated with entertainment media is illegal unless paid for. Even if you buy one copy and share it, you are still infringing the copyright. So I am truly grateful that WithS2 has been able to continue for so long.
Living in Korea and trying to learn Korean (yes I’ve picked up a quite few words thanks to fansub groups) it’s great to be able to watch the same episode many times with and without subs. I do watch them on tv (I pay for that pleasure) but you can only view a couple of times and I still need the subs.
For those of you still not sure how to do everything all of us weren’t born with the ability to Bittorrent. There is tons of info on the web about how to set up a torrent client and router if you possess one. Once you’ve done it you”ll wonder why you were so frightened of it. I use KTorrent as I am a Linux user but Azureus is excellent on both Linux and Windows.
For media playing I use VLC, it’s free and comes out of the box capable of playing most file types. You even set it up to automatically play the subtitle (srt or vobsub) if it has the same name or manually select a subtitle
Keep up the good work WithS2 and I hope normal service can be resumed soon.
Happy New Year to all fansubbers and d-addicts and thanks a million.
I’ve seen a message to mysoju concerning this issue and hope they will respond this time.
Hi
I start to watch kdrama about a year ago, my first drama was winter sonata (my father has received as a gift), loving it and get addicted to kdrama. I use to buy dvd but the subs are so bads that most of the time, i have to guess what they were saying. Then i discover d-addict (have to mention that i was useless with computer, internet and downloading), just by google around, reading all the kdrama forum, i have learned how to download and play a video with soft subs. Like javabeans have mentionned, just ask nicely then someone will help you, go to IU forum, there’s a lot of nice people who are willing to help you out if you don’t know what or how to download your video, ask any question to Puela from IU, she’s like a mother to all IU members. Anyway, what i am trying to say is there’s no excuse for not to know how to download, if you really want, you can learn. And for internet connection, if you have a bad internet connection for downloading, it’s not better to watch online because it’s always buffering before it can play. The subs from With S2 are very goods, whenever i see a drama subbing by With S2, i try to download it. Sometimes they even keep the words in korean like oppah, unni, hyung etc… so it make it even more special. I totally support With S2 because i really respect what they are doing for all the kdrama lover and THEY DO IT FOR FREE!!! So a big thank you to With S2 for helping me enjoy a new culture (i start to learn and cook korean).
u know what’s funny.. that those drama production companies are threatening the wrong ppl (subbers) when they have to go after the original drama uploaders on clubbox and all those raw episodes uploading/downloading sites.. or maybe i’m just too ignorant about such matters >_>
Wow… im a bit surprised to see this ongoing debate about the streaming issue. I read some of the comments that members had posted and i gotta say, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING AND WHAT IS THERE TO DEBATE ABOUT? Withs2’s along with other fansubs already made it clear that THEY DONT WANT THEIR SUBS TO BE HARDSUBBED AND POSTED ON STREAMING SITES, so why must you have to go against their wills? HOW HARD IS IT TO FOLLOW SOME SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS AS A FAVOR OF THEIR FREE WORK? I have been checking Withs2’s wiki every hours, every day, hoping to see some new update about the issue, but apparenly, it seems like some people still don’t get it… i’m pissed right now, not because of withs2’s decisions to stop releasing subs, but to those people that are spoiling it for the rest of us fans who are dying to see the next episodes… what piss me off more is that we couldve gotten those excellent subs by now if people start cooperating….. sigh.. anyway, i just wanna thank WITHS2s for their excellent subs service that they have been providing us for the last year (2nd year on Jan. 10th) and hopefully we’ll see some new sub release soon.. JAN. 10th is going to be WITHS2’s second anniversary so hopefully everyone can cooperate by then!
I’m honestly happy that WITH S2 finally took a stand on this issue. And I support their decision to cease releasing subs until uploaders comply. Out of sheer laziness, I used VEOH, and like so many others thought that Lyptika had SOME sort of affiliation with WITH S2. It wasn’t until about a month or so ago that I realized that she must not be a member of the group. And unfortunately, I feel that she misrepresented herself to a lot of drama fans. If I’d known that she hadn’t been granted permission to upload and hardsub the videos then I would never have watched anything from her. And I’m sure that there are others out there who feel the same. I apologize for not having known better. I should have checked everything out before downloading.
The only thing that we as fans can do at this point is to support WITH S2 and send messages to sites like MySoju.com, YouTube.com users, and VEOH.com users asking them to remove the videos. Whether they choose to or not, is up to them.
All I know is that they’ve ruined a really good thing for all of us…including themselves.
WITH S2,
Thank You. Your hard work doesn’t go unappreciated.
Experience is an excellent teacher. Is it possible to arrange, to have mysoju and other streaming sites, view a letter threatening legal action from the legitimate companies that have bought the license for these dramas to be released outside of Korea, of their very own? I’m wondering if distibution of a product similar to that of a product these companies are hoping to sell is considered illegal. The distribution of a complete product, meaning with subtitles, being the key. I say similar, because as we all know, not all subtitles are of the same calibur as the next.
Since when did translating become illegal? As long as the translations are in a stand alone document shouldn’t that be okay?
The reader should have to right to choose which translation they want to use.
These license holder’s translations might not be the best translations.
If and when these license holders will even decide to release it outside of Korea.
Doing translations is not the crime. (even the bible has many translations from the original sanskrit)
Distribution of a product (video with subtitles on streaming sites) might be the real offense to the license holder. They should be going after the streaming sites.
With all the posts about mysoju.com I went over to check out the site. When you click on a video they clearly state that the file is not uploaded and hosted on their website but are links to the files on other websites. I clicked on the link for Golden Bride episode 45 and saw the video was hosted on veoh, clicked the download link and found it was uploaded on veoh by shinygirl84. Since mysoju is not listening to messages maybe those of you that managed to get lyptika to cooperate can do the same with shinygirl84 at veoh. I’m thinking once it’s gone at veoh it will be gone on mysoju, so help me try and figure out who the uploaders at mysoju are and try to get them to cooperate. A small step, but if we all pitch in and try to shut down the uploaders we’ll be a step closer to WITHS2 releasing the subs and feeding our kdrama addiction.
I just wanted to say that I am so thankful to withS2-fansubbing… I don’t know what I will do with out you guys… I had enjoy many great dramas because of you guys. I hope everyone would comply and stop with the streaming and uploading…
When I first got into Kdrama, there was no youtube/veho or any streaming site. If you were lucky enough to have cable then you can watch it on TV but beside that I rely on my cyberspace friends to give me links to share some 411 on where and what is a good drama to watch right now… We did it with out youtube/veho b4 I don’t see why we can’t do with out it now. Also I don’t know why people like to watch drama or anything on youtube, the quality suck so bad… veho is a little bit better but not much.
just my 2 cent comment.
Just want to express my gratitude towards S2-fansubbing. It’s hardwork and they’re doing it for free for the non-Korean speaking community to spread to love of K-drama. There are K-Drama addicts like me out there, I’m sure. Thanks and thanks again. Please spread the words to stop people to hardsub the drama.
I am happy to get the subtitles. I wish I could learn Korean enough so that I didn’t need them. Back to reality.
First of all the subs should be copyrighted by the group that does them. There is a lot of free software out there that has various forms of license where you can use the product and modify or not modify as the producers of the software stipulate. (LInux, BSD, GNU etc.) Third there should be someone who comes up with a subtitle format whereby the softsub can’t be used to hard sub a raw file. That may not ever happen.
The software should have some sort of a watermark repeatedly appearing stipulating that the product may not be used contrary to the writer’s wishes. It should be a pop up or some such appearance that will allow viewers to know that they are watching something from a site that shouldn’t be presented in that form. I need the subtitles. I would be more than willing to endure a warning than to have to figure out what they are saying without them. Also legitimate streaming sites could identify subtitles that shouldn’t have been posted without anyone informing them. I am afraid that the end result of this whole mess is that free subbing will end. One person posting is enough to justify harassing those who do all the good work in subtitling. To wish that the poster would get the message is wishful thinking. Criminals commit crimes without any sense of remorse. Instead of posting detailed instructions as how to take a file and its subtitle and put them together they let people get away with just pressing a switch and watching. The free subtitling will end and the poster will just be saying that they didn’t have anything to do with it. Well the poster is the cause of the problem.
ehem, seems the air is a bit hot in here…
edward, sad to say, soft subs can be edited so putting that watermark would do no better.. i hope the subs will not be “locked” in someways because sometimes retiming is needed.. why? cause people may not download the version that withs2 subs are subbing on, so retiming may be necessary (for personal use that is)
anyway, in my opinion, its the viewers that play a key role in stopping the uploaders and not the uploaders themselves… yes, send messages to mysoju , condemn them so that those who go there and watch without knowing will be aware of. .. spread the warning message.. through big communities like soompi (post it as announcement? on every drama thread?), d-addicts, popcornfor2, tsinoy etc.. where big % of drama viewers come from…
for one thing, its clear that withs2 will not budge from their standing, so it’ll be pointless to try to convince them otherwise.
if you can’t overturn their decisions, why don’t you just do as they say?
its their work anyway, so the least we can do is respect their decisions
hi everyone, 새해 복 많이 받으세요!!!! happy new year and many blessing to all this new year and always!!!!! ^_^ man it sucks that this is still going on….i’m a huge supporter of withs2 you are all so very awesome and it still boggles my mind that you all would take the time out of your busy lives to put in all that hard work to produce these subs for us all. i too, was ignorant of the fact that lyptika was not associated with you all since she had edited in her name to be included in the withs2 credits. i also was one of the early ones that discovered mysoju and thought that it was an incredibly convenient site for hosting all those wonderful dramas. i’ve stopped watching dramas from all those sources many many months ago. i swore though the last time i was on mysoju that they had given credit to the subbing teams, but apparently they removed that section….hmmmm i wonder why???? i’m half korean and am able to understand most of what is going on in the dramas but have a little difficulty following the historical dramas which is why i like to watch them with withs2 subs. lol, and the subs have helped in improving my korean, lol. thanks withs2 for everything! ^_^ and dramabeans you’re awesome as well!!! luv your blog!!! hopefully this will get resolved soon. take care everyone.
To C,
From your comment about people who has slow/bad internet connection, people who unable to get to see C,K,J dramas through S2 high quality work. I find that it’s an excuse from ignorance people like you. I guest that you would never get to understand that whatever excuses you’re giving, you can’t change the fact that without S2 subbing team, people like you would never understand how appreciation we have for S2 Team.
I’m sorry for saying that to you. But you’re bending the truth by saying that your people do that so c,k,j dramas can be more well-known to the world or to other non-speaking/understanding c,k,j. In fact, there are so many ways for us (international fans) to enjoy watching those dramas without harming the others. The only matter is time. As we know soon or later, without S2 or not, we still be able to watch it through many other sources (buying dvd, renting dvd, get a lower/smaller version of download, etc……), even though the quality might not be as good as S2 version, still, it’s better than nothing, right? because I believe when you watch it on mysoju site, the quality of the picture is double worse than those small/lower version of downloads. We don’t need your help spreading the dramas to people by stealing the hard works of the others and taking credit for that. If as you said someone such as mysoju kind enough to provide those services to fans like you then you should tell them provide their own sub to their fans. Why they stole people’s work? And if you still see their action is harmless, they don’t mean anything but spreading the dramas to the some beginer like you, then you should be ashame of yourself too. Why? because people with self-esteem won’t take others’ work and claimed it their credit.
mysoju’s action is completely unacceptable. I already left another comment to mysoju, tell them to stop doing what they’re doing.
For those who can’t watch dramas through clubbox/d-addict or some other sources due to the file too big or some other reasons. I understand your situation, however, you can’t pull all of us (fans who have other choice) down with you. You can watch dramas later when it comes out to the store, you can either buy it or rent it. If you don’t have the opportunity like us, sorry but you will have to go with the other choices, please do not complain or compare that we can and you can’t, we have to live with whatever we can have. Beside, even I don’t live in your country, but I know that the time for releasing drama out in dvd is not that long. Take Viet Nam for example, the drama “Legend”, it’s already out in the market 1 week after the drama done with sub. Moreover, someone already translated it in Vietnamese dub under small version file for you to download it. See, you don’t have to wait that long and it’s not neccessary “file too big” as someone has complained. Beside, I also know that there are so many sources for you to download and watch the dramas just fine without watching it on all of thoses streaming with hardsub. If you don’t know where to get it, you can ask me, I won’t hesitate to give you the links. If you still think of any excuses, then you’re just lazy, that’s all I can say.
To conclude my comment, watching dramas with hardsub on mysoju or veoh by using S2 softsub is wrong, unrespectable, and unacceptable no matter what you said. There shouldn’t be anymore excuses to that.
Sorry for my long post.
oh so that’s why you guys stopped releasing subbed episodes of in-soon is pretty….makes a lot more sense now. i understand what you’re talking about. i would be pissed too.
After checking With S2’s website I realised there are constant progresses. Does it mean With S2 is still continuing making soft subs, but they will not releases them until the request is obeyed? And no one knows how long the issue is going to last? What if, dont ambush me as Im not jinxing, those websites are not obeying and still do what they do now, what will happen? This will be bad as people like myself will keep downloading raw files from WithS2 clubbox and keep them waiting for subs and there will be time HDD is full.
What can I do to help as I dont like this situation, it sucks for many of us who like and appreciate With S2’s hardwork. But as someone mentioned above, any negative comments and requests are ignored by mysoju.com and they only keep positive ones. So posting comments wont do anything good. What else there is I can do?
I went to mysoju.com to check out what they are doing. Lots of episodes are uploaded to mysoju.com and there is no link whatsoever to veoh, so posting comments to veoh wont do anything either. MAN, how can people watch dramas on mysoju.com??? The quality of video is BAD beyond imagination!!!!
These are the places that a friend from soompi has dug up for me.
The ‘hiding’ places where mysoju.com has been uploading and streaming from (since they are never uploaded on their main, official sites). As the main translator of ’sweet spy’ ( I translated 18 of the 20eps and some other dramas as well), I am really shock and hurt to see so much of my works uploaded without my or withs2’s permission to so many places (Now causing legal problems because of these streamings) and what’s worse is that they credit themselves when I and my withS2 family are the one who are the ones doing the hard work (sometimes we didn’t even sleep for days, eat, drink for hours or even go out with friends just to rush the subs out and as a result, our health suffer as well.)
So please if anyone of you have a conscience, please stop the uploading/streaming of Withs2 subs.
9 End 2 Outs
http://www.guba.com/user/viivii22
Air City
http://www.guba.com/user/mytask106
Alone in Love
http://www.livevideo.com/aceeight
Bad Couple
http://www.guba.com/user/flyingpan122
Bad Love
http://www.veoh.com/users/task07g
Capital Scandal
http://www.guba.com/user/mytask127
Cloud Stairway
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Coffee Prince
http://www.gofish.com/my/userProfile.gfp?gfid=26-166553
http://www.veoh.com/users/johnnybravo311
Dal Ja’s Spring
http://www.livevideo.com/acesix
Exhibition of Fireworks
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=dinda77
Fantasy Couple
http://www.guba.com/user/mytask103
http://www.veoh.com/users/smileagain22
Get Karl, Oh Soo Jung!
http://www.gofish.com/my/userProfile.gfp?gfid=26-166321
Golden Bride
http://www.veoh.com/users/shinygirl84
http://www.veoh.com/users/smileagain22
Goong S
http://www.guba.com/user/mtask124
Heaven’s Tree / Tree of Heaven
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=khatzz06
Hello! Miss
http://www.veoh.com/users/task07j
Hwang Jin Yi
http://www.livevideo.com/acefive
Lovers
http://www.dailymotion.com/shulien
One Fine Day
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Over the Rainbow
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Queen of the Game
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Rude Women
http://www.veoh.com/users/trialjob07
Smile Again
http://www.megavideo.com/?c=profile&user=msjpeon (videos on private, accessible via mysoju)
Snowflowers
http://www.dailymotion.com/aquaticdragons
Snow in August
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Soulmate
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Spring Waltz
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Stranger Than Paradise
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Surgeon Bong Dal Hee
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Sweet Spy
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Thank You
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The Devil
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Time of Dog & Wolf
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What’s Up Fox?
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http://www.veoh.com/users/smileagain22
http://www.megavideo.com/?c=profile&user=helloprincess22 (private)
When Spring Comes
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Which Star Are You From?
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Oh My….
I really wasn’t aware that it was such a huge issue. With S2 is one of my favourite fansubbing group, their subtitles are so perfect.
Well as for me i do both…. i mean i download Raws and softsubs but i also watch sometimes on streaming sites (when i forgot and have nothing on my pc to watch.. :/)
I am truly sorry, i didn’t understand the illegal/legal issue.. You’re right lots of dramas are getting licensed and your work is being jeopardized… Once again i am sorry…
I support your decision and am now going to think it twice before going to any streaming sites.
Shazou
best buy had a 500 GB external hard drive for about $119.00 on sale recently.
Might still be on sale. If not I saw a different 500 GB external hard drive for about $134.00.
There might be good prices on 1TB also. should check around for good sale prices.
^SPAM POST ABOVE!
i think every vid has a “report abuse”/ “report content” on it.. you probably can click on it, and they’ll remove the vid..
To 164-Myone: Sorry for being off-topic, but I noticed on your previous post that you visit IU, just a question for you or those that visit IU. I haven’t been able to log in for the past couple of days with my username. If you can log in, can you get the admin email @ or Puela email for me? I would like to ask them about my account. Sorry, for being so off-topic, but I really have no where else to ask. By the way, Revenue Analyst ( #180) mentioned about the 500 BG external hard drive; I recommend those who download Kdramas to buy one since it can store a lot of your favorite dramas. Get it while it’s on sale.
181 Toya, I’m sorry if your ~spam post above~ was in reference to my post 180.
post 180 was in refrence to post 177 mention about running out of space down loading. I will refrain from that sort of post again.
If any you are going to downloading raw vids and soft subs and want to view it all at once, an external hard drive is helpful.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I usually try to wait until I have the whole series before I watch it, the two exceptions were Golden Bride and In soon is Pretty.
Mostly because W/S2 was so quick in their releases. I really got spoiled.
And now I am in agony, hoping for the release of the next W/S2 subtittles.
It looks like they are continuing to the translations, they just haven’t released them yet.
I just wish those streaming sites using W/S2 subtitles will just stop!
With S2 Fightling!
i was just wondering… if you do continue to sub with soft subs will there be a chance which people can download it and put it together themselves?
WITH S2 fighting!
Since when did translating become illegal? As long as the translations are in a stand alone document shouldn’t that be okay?
@ Revenue Analyst
It is copyright infringement. Do S2 have the copyright owners permission to be translating their work?
First of all the subs should be copyrighted by the group that does them.
@Edward.
Really? Does the group have permission to translate the work from the copyright owner?
At to those saying that it is theft to use the soft subs on those streaming sites: How can it be theft if you’ve put it out there for people to use? More importantly how can they steal from you when have no rights to the show or the translation. If you truly believe they are stealing from you why don’t you go and tells the cops? I’m sure they’ll be really interested.
Once you put something on the internet you have no control over what happens to it. None. It is extremely naive to think that you can control all of the six billion plus people in this world. If you don’t want to be at risk of being sued then don’t sub and sure as hell don’t put it on the internet.
S2 are one of the best fansub groups but if they feel that they can’t sub anymore because they are worried about being sued, then thats what they’ll have to do. In a few months several more fansub groups will have sprung up and filled the space they vacated. Its the way of things. Only the very young or naive would believe that one fansub group stopping means that all fansubs will stop. There are hundreds of millions of people who speak mandarin, japanese and korean – there are bound to be some out of those who will feel like fansubbing if only for a short while. Probably as a way to improve their English.
To #182-Me. Sorry for being off-topic. No i can’t log in either and it’s been 3-4 days already. But if you go to idols-unlimited.com, i think they are doing a new site. I think that some of us has been deleted from database. I just PM Puela via soompi forum (saw her post in Bad Love), and she has the same problem, can’t log in and has been deleted too, but she says the site is browsable but forum doesn’t work and it should be resolve soon.
Ok, i see at d-addict that With S2 has released subs for hong gil dong E1, hope that everything will be ok soon. Happy 2nd Anniversary to you guys.
@The king is dead, long live the king: Good points there, a little harsh, but really sums the situation.
@The king is dead, long live the king ~ I didn’t really think about it that way. The question is…Can WithS2 get sued for putting subtitles online? It doesn’t make sense to me because it’s not an actual company or organization right? There are no laws on fansubbing…are there? And how is making subtitles for people illegal? They’re not making any money off it…so they make no profit whatsoever…
And I really don’t get how companies threaten to stop downloading, and allowing the release of hardsubs ~ it makes sense because they want to sell their products but allowing the revolution of the internet to the full extent is promoting almost everything they stand for. Most people that download and use subtitles are people that either 1) Do not have access to purchasing the DVDs. 2) Cannot afford the DVDs. 3) Need subtitles because of the language barrier.
Lots of people buy the official drama DVDs, older people that can afford it and those who don’t know how to download – so basically the downloading stuff is for the younger generation – and if they can’t download, and if you can’t buy – then their interest isn’t being fed – therefore, they’ll just forget about it do something else that is accessible or find another way.
Having interest in a product is the best for a production…no matter if money is spent because the money will be goin towards them some other way – if through concert tickets or magazines, or just posters…they need to adapt to the new generation and new way of making money.
I’m not saying that I don’t support WITHS2 in their decision to stop subtitles – I think it’s a good idea but it’s not going to stop everyone forever – and it doesn’t make sense to do this every time someone uploads hardsubs of WithS2 Subs. WITHS2 should have the right to do whatever it pleases since the subs are yours. So yes, good luck with all this stuff and hope to be able to view your amazing subs soon. =]
Now if Korea dramas released official versions with English subtitles on i tunes or something – now that would make a lot of money. I’d buy it.
I don’t know why people don’t want to spend the effort downloading HQ versions anyways – what’s good about watching on a tiny ass screen with bad quality? O.o
@188 making subtitles is not illegal but the fact that they take the subtitles and hardcode upload is what is illegal because they attach it to the actual video that is licensed
because the subtitles usually have WITHS2, credits, etc., they can only assume that it was WITHS2 that is distributing the video, which is illegal
that is why d-addicts adheres to licensed drama and taking down the torrents to the raws when asked, because they dont want to get sued
the line between subbing drama, videos etc is real iffy and one wrong step can get many people in trouble
whether or not they make a profit on the video/subbing is not the question, the people that license the drama get distribution rights and they want to monopolize on it, they will go after anyone and everyone they can because how can they sell their product if the product is available for free on the internet? just because you cant afford the dvd doesnt mean you should be able to download it for free, if the world was like that then everyone should be able to get everything they wanted, that is not how capitalism works
I don’t want to debate anything. I just dropped by to show my support for WITHS2. I really appreciate the work you do. You’ve subbed a lot of my favorite dramas and for that I’m truly thankful. I actually am a lawyer (though I practice family law, not the corporate litigation stuff) so I understand why you’ve had to stop releasing subs for a while. I don’t think you should take any unecessary risks for us. People should be grateful for all of the hard work and time you put into your projects. I know I am. Your subs are of great quality and the quantity of projects you take on are overwhelming. Though I do buy the english subbed dramas that are licensed, there are a lot of dramas that don’t get released with english subs. Then I turn to dedicated fansubbing groups like you. So, I hope everything works out and I will be patient until it does. I respect your decision and I hope others will to. Again thanks for everything. Also Happy Anniversary!!!! (Please share this post with the rest of the team, as I would like to express my gratitude to you all)
thank you thank you With S2 for Golden bride 46 and 47
I can’t wait for Jan 10
Happy anniversary!
I am so so Happy now!
I left a request on mysoju.com to read WITHS2’s policy and hopefully remove their uploads. But I don’t know if I made any impression.
*sits on WITHS2’s doorstop and waits for more Hong Gil Dong subs* ._.
I was just wondering, but I can’t read Korean, so its kinda hard for me to read the Kr. Clubbox of theirs. Is there any way that i can get around without knowing how to read it? Is there like a guide somewhere? Just for future reference xD Ty
To # 194, try to google it around. There’s someone I know whom doesn’t know Korean, but she was able to navigate through kr. clubbox by going a little search on the net. Try it, hopefully it’ll help you as well. By the way, Happy 2nd Anniversary With S2. Also, thank you for releasing the subs again. Hopefully, ignorant people won’t stream using your subtitle again…..Thank you With S2.
To #194, you may find the following site useful in navigating through clubbox:
http://community.livejournal.com/kattunlove/137160.html
Hope that it helps. Thank you so much for all of your hard work WITHS2.
hi – i’ve really enjoyed the subtitles so far on a lot of dramas. i think S2 provides a great service, and if they ask to not upload hardsubs, or if they wish to not publish any subtitles for the time, it’s up to them and I respect that.
however – with it being admitted in several comments here that subbing is NOT legal, i find some of righteous indignation here a little unfitting. if S2 asks others not to hardsub, they can ask. but if others don’t comply, is that different from the copyright owners asking S2 to stop, and they don’t comply?
i’ll patiently wait for new subs to come, and i’ll do my part to keep S2 under the radar. but in the end, if there is a real fear of getting caught for doing something illegal, then you should just stop doing whatever it is that is illegal. (which will suck for me cause I won’t understand the dramas).
Happy anniversary to S2 Team, you’re rock!!!!
Hi. first of all, I feel really sorry for the fansubbers when it comes to these kind of issue. I’m so greatful for what they’re doing in providing this kind of service for all kdrama fans. and for that, thank you so much. It would be really great if people who upload hardsubbed drama stop what they’re doing. but then again, a lot of people are so stupid and don’t care at all.
kudos to all fansubbers out there.
p.s. to the author:
are you a member of dattebayo,LLC? i think i read something like this from their site as well.
I don’t know what dattebayo is, so no. Were they mocking me? That’s a possibility.
oh no. nothing of the sort. they are just in the same situation as WITH S2. Dattebayo is an anime fansubber though. they have a press release which have the same stuff, basically, almost 100% of the entry here. http://www.dattebayo.com/pr/58.
Yeah, just read over their entry and found the content almost identical to the one posted by Withs2 group.
@balotvendor, lol i checked out that site and im pretty sure that they copied it from withs2s announcements and dramabeans entry as well.. i guess most fansubbers are having the same problems with the streaming issues n i can see why they are tired of it. Anyway, im so glad to see Withs2’s subs again… lets all just hope for the best!
Hi, I’m from Singapore. Maybe withs2 can limit their raws only on club house? I really don’t want the odex issue to be brought over to dramas too…
(i’m just saying it, dun bash me,pls)
Quality of most Asian dramas in veoh.com are below average
That’s why a computer I-DYOT like me still download from clubbox/d-addicts.com 
If you’re from Malaysia, you’d know how to get round the P2P throttling and bandwidth capping ! I have a friend who buys very good quality DVDs from mainland China and she swears that some of the English subs are plucked from d-addicts.com o_O!! I would love to stop my downloading and purchase DVDs of K-dramas but it’s a cop-out in Malaysia – they happily cut a few scenes here and there, the prices are ridiculous and the quality is only so, so ! Oh, well, if I have to wait for 6 years for subs, so be it. I’ll wait *___* Last, but not least, a very sincere Thank you to WITHS2 and company for the many sub-titles released by them in the past.
okay, so i’ve spent the last 2 hours trying to figure out how to watch the vids and getting the subs to come up. one solution that i’ve found to be the easiest is by using veoh. don’t get mad yet, i’m not talking about watching the hardsubbed vids. there are users that upload just the raw video. they are convenient and takes less time to download. anyways, i will write down step by step. i am computer challenged so i understand the importance of getting the instructions as simple as possible.
1. download the (raw) video from one of the veoh users using the veoh player. (i will use the drama bad love as my example since that’s what i used to figure it out)
2. d/l the subtitle file (ends in .srt) from soompi. (my example, bad love episode 1: http://www.d-addicts.com/forum/download.php?id=25215eos) make sure u remember which folder u place the subs under. i just put it onto my desktop.
3. once the d/l on video and subs (.srt file) are done i went to the video, right clicked on it, and picked the option ‘find on my pc’. ur veoh folder will pop open and it will show the video there. (my example here, showed the video as BadLoveEp.01.flv). i renamed the folder to .avi for my GOM player (u can d/l this player for free, just google GOM player)
4. i located the subtitle file on my desktop. (the file that ends in .srt) dragged it into the veoh folder.
5. rename the .srt file so it has the same name as the video. (my example here: video name was BadLoveEp.01.avi, i renamed the .srt file as BadLoveEp.01.srt)
6. double click on the video and it should play with subs.
Can I ask a question to LiLy, post nr 101. Can you explain to me more about step 3&5. Be kind…. as I spent an hour and cant figure it out.
I must admit if I can you the way you do… it save me a lot of time!!!
Thank you.
Wow! WITH-S2’s subs for Four Gods were FABULOUS! They were FAR better than any of the subs on any of the Official KBS or YAE releases, and I know what I’m talking about, because I purchased nearly all of them. How the commercial subbers can get away with random punctuation and totally crappy English is beyond me!!
Why don’t people just stop debating whether or not this is right/wrong and just follow what the subbers say? If you watch their subs, you AT LEAST owe that much to them.
(I feel like smacking some people but I’ll try to refrain…sheesh.)
I totally agree with the stance WITHS2 is taking. They have been doing such a marvelous job and it’d be a great shame and loss if they have to be dismissed over a matter than can be precluded if only viewers respect their work as much as they enjoyed the subtitles.
I do some encoding, editing and timing myself so I absolutely understand how much effort is required to release these subtitles. I sincerely hope everyone would learn to appreciate WITHS2 fully and not cause them any more grief.
For the love of k-dramas, lets co-operate and comply with WITHS2’s policies to keep fansubbing alive.
Dramabeans – love your blog. Cheers.
i was in the same boat as anonymous (#206). i’d tried to follow lily’s step-by-step instructions (#101), but no luck. until i downloaded the gom player (duh!). all my other players give me error messages. but gom works.
so follow lily’s instructions, and you’ll be able to watch veoh raws with withS2 soft subs.
yay. i don’t mind the low quality of the videos unless i’m actually subbing.
withS2, thank you for the robbers and hong gil dong releases. congrats on your 2nd year anniversary.
Hi Gail
Iam #206, I do have the gom player installed. Mybe Iam dumb…. but I cant find the file of Veoh on the computer. I did right click on the video, but it pop up with the message that =”the path C:\Documents and Settings\Ian\MyDocument\Videos\Veoh\badlove.ep03.plv” does not exist or is not on the directory=
???? It did save on the veoh TV… so I need to find it on my computer first then I can rename it.
Can you help? thanks Gail
To Lisa:
I think Lyptika does her own subbing at times, though it’s been a while since I watched any of her veoh channels.
to Lily (post#101), Hi, I followed your advice to download raw videos at veoh and then download .SRT file at soompi and it works for me, but I used VLC player to combine the raw videos and .srt files. Thank you lily for the step by step procedure and to the subbing team (With S2) for the .SRT file. By the way Happy 2nd anniversary With S2 team, good luck and more power to all of you.
#211, i’ve never had that error message come up before. maybe something is wrong with that file or it really is not on your computer. have you tried doing the steps with the another video file? i’d try that. or even redownload the file.
i’m sorry i’m not much help. hopefully other people have the same problem and have more suggestions.
Let me tell you, WithS2 Rules!!!! I’ve been dl’ing kdramas since before WithS2 was around. I don’t know how they do it, but these guys are fast AND they do quality job fansubbing, not to mention the number of projects they take on. I’m utterly greatful to them and all fansubbers (… O_o … tears up… so please be sure to stick around, ok?)…
So to those uploaders, you’re really shooting yourself in your foot/cutting off your nose to spite your face/biting the hand that feeds you/etc (you pick) when you do so.
Kindly support WithS2 and all other fansubbing teams by complying with their requests not to upload their work.
Happy 2nd Anniversary, WithS2!!! Love you guys!
Hi, first time posting here..I am a big fan of k-dramas and I admit I was one of those who watch most of the dramas on the mentioned streaming video sites, but now that I read the article I completely understand the reasons for not allowing these sites to host the dramas using your subs.
I am trying now to teach myself to watch the dramas using GOM player. But I am having one problem I hope someone will be able to help. I followed Lily’s tips(thanks alot) I d/l insoon is pretty from veoh and I d/l the softsubs from soompi, I simply clicked on the link and this box appeared with options of find,save or close. I chose save and then I just saved on my desktop and just followed the rest of the instructions. but the video started to play without the subs. Plz someone help me, any help will be much appreciated. Thanks!!
there is no argument for if its bad to put videos on hosting websites or not, that is irrelevant, what is relevant is what an authors requests are for his/her work. If withS2 do not want their work published on an online site, they have every right to request it off (but of course there are always and always will be people who refuse to comply). (I personally wonder if they can put a copyright on their work and just sue everyone who does otherwise but I am not good in law). But if people want to translate something and post the work, they just have to cite the source (they obviously arent getting paid so thats out), therefore if withS2 cited where they translated from aka the drama or script writer it should be legal as far as i know. Although i am VERY VERY disappointed that we won’t be able to watch dramas for a while i do understand. Its sortof like taking a very very long english paper(s) and letting someone else publish it against my will… oh I would raise hell and i guess thats whats going on now.
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thanks for the episodes so far though withS2 Im pretty content if you decide to quit
Note to any crazy licenser’s watching: I only read the subs to get the storyline and did not download any episodes
anyway by hardsubbing onto veoh or youtube wouldnt that be the uploaders responsibility because they altered copyrighted material? not the subbers risk? i have no idea!
As long as the hardsubs/stream gives credit to the subbers/websites or w/e source. What is there to complain about. I think some ppl are over-reacting now.
Adam, you missed the entire point. Try reading again. Just giving credit isn’t the solution.
Post #206 Anonymous,
Step number 3 (more detailed):
1. On veoh tv, there are four tabs at the top (CHANNELS/SEARCH/INTERACT/LIBRARY), click on the library tab.
2. Now, the videos that u have d/l should be shown. If not all are shown, there is a tab labelled VIEW, choose ALL.
3. All ur videos should show up. Go to the video u want, right click on it (when u right click on the video, the video will have a blue highlight around it).
4. Go to the second last option (FIND ON MY PC) that pops up on the menu when u right click on the video.
5. Now, ur veoh folder should pop up automatically. U will find ur video there.
6. Rename ur video to .avi –> (u do this by right clicking on the video and choosing RENAME. the computer will ask u if u are sure about doing this because it could ruin the folder. Just click ok. the file will be fine.
Step #5 (more detailed):
Just a quick reminder: At this point, ur .avi file (the video) and the .srt should be in the same folder.
1. right click on ur .srt file, and choose the option RENAME on the menu that pops up. when u do this, u can rename the file to anything u want. just make sure it is the same name as the .avi file (the video)
so back to my original example: i d/l Bad Love Episode 1. the .avi file (the video) already had the file name of BadLoveEp.01.avi so i renamed the .srt file to BadLoveEp.01.srt
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS make sure the .avi file and the .srt file have the exact same name. example again:
(video) BadLoveEp.01.avi (subtitles) BadLoveEp.o1.srt
Post #216 Farah,
Did u put the softsubs into the same folder as the video? Or did u rename the softsubs to have the same file name as the video?
I’m really glad a lot of ppl are trying to stick to WithS2’s wishes. I know it seems confusing at first but once u work out the kinks for one video, the rest is just a breeze.
Ah my bad Cj. I shouldn’t have skimmed.
Well this is the internet. Sadly not everyone will follow the rules.
Dear Lily
Finally got some time to try out what you told me to do. Yeahhh, I’ve done it… and works!!!!
Thanks for your details.
Lilli TTTHANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH finnaly I got to see my loved dramas again! only thanks to you, you rock!
I just checked the mysoju’s site and they uploaded a few new Bad love episodes again with WITH S2s subs! I left them a message that they have to stop using WITH S2 subs, but i bet they will ignore my message! How rude that they still are doing this!! #%$#^%$
I have also seen the mysoju website!!! I just can’t imagine that someone could be that thick skinned. I left a message on the veoh account of the unloader, but whether this will have an effect, I really doubt it. I am a great fan of WITHS2 and fully support them in their decision, even though I really don’t understand much without their great (really high quality!!!) subs. But what to do, when there are people who don’t care.
@211
I had the same problem!! I couldn’t never find the folder with my downloaded videos from veoh unless i opened it the veoh-player.
And Once I did a great mistake and removed them to another folder and when I went to the Veoh-Player on “Find on my PC” i always got an error message!
Don’t try to find them on your Pc without Veoh-player (with the click of “Find on my PC”) because you will never be able to find it. I think It is a hidden folder.
Just start it from the beginning!
1st deinstall the gom player and Veoh-player. then
2nd install them again and this time DON’T REMOVE them to an another folder just let them be there.
and 3rd and the last advice is just make a new folder on your deskop and put there only your subtitles NEVER REALLY NEVER remove your subtitles to the hidden Veoh folder where your videos are downloaded!!
So I hope I coul help you If you have the same problem as I had!!
didiellza:
just don’t remove ur video from veoh then u don’t have to deinstall anything. of course veoh is not gonna find the video if u moved it to another folder.
YES NOOOOOW I Know, But I didn’t know that at the beginning!
that is why I wrote:
“2nd install them again and this time DON’T REMOVE them to an another folder just let them be there.”
but thanks
i wonder if this is related to the writers strike
but if you think about it (for the sake of the other side of the argument since i support withs2) there are american sitcoms and dramas being uploaded to online sites as well, not to mention quicksilverscreen.com and other such sites but nothing has happened yet to them. but youtube does take down some stuff though i guess
ill just say this im not going to be a hypocrite and say ill do one thing and do another. I love WITHS2 and them subbing the shows and i honestly know what they are talking about and how it can really hurt them. I do download the raws and subs if i cant find them. But if i find a show i really want to watch uploaded and ready to preview im honestly not going to give it a second thought. when the say chill with the releasing subs i can wait cuz i know how much hard work it is. but its like this my life will go on without drama and im a true die hard fan(for awhile(5 mon.) i know ill be cryin about now being able to understand) but i know i cant spend my life watching this..im a teen im going to college and i know i wont have time for this. i spent 16 yrs without it i think i can live a lil longer without it too. This is just my opinion dont quote or comment me on anything Im just saying what i feel. And “lyptika” has token her page down so you guys can stop with the pointing of fingers.
I personally don’t use streaming videos and don’t watch all that many kdramas. I DO respect fansubber wishes though and if I was one of those uploaders, I would stop simply out of respect. However.. games, tv shows, and just about everything you can think of as been uploaded to streaming sites. Most companies don’t seem to care enough to track and find these people that do it. Also, Anime and manga fansubbing has been going on for ages with little consequence.
This post is here for information, not for debate or second-guessing. Closed.