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	<title>Comments on: Global Talk Show not quite as global as it thinks</title>
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		<title>By: dlite</title>
		<link>http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/04/global-talk-show-not-quite-as-global-as-it-thinks/comment-page-1/#comment-717975</link>
		<dc:creator>dlite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2012 07:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@chris Koreans started emigrating to the US after the immigration reforms of the 1960s.  prior to that because the US was so racist as a consequence of the Yellow Peril and Chinese Exclusion Acts of the 1800s there was effectively no immigration from East Asia to the US for over 100 years.  in fact the US is one of the only countries in the world (including Nazi Germany) that had specific prohibitions for race in its immigration bans in the 20th century.  it&#039;s fine to be &quot;Korean.&quot;  it&#039;s Western paternalism on the part of posters like Turnbull and javabeans to sneer at Korean identity while promoting the sanctity of European Jewish Identity.  talk about bloodline... any Jew who can pass muster with an orthodox rabbi in Israel can claim citizenship and aid from the government of Israel even if neither they nor anyone for 1000 years actually resided in Palestine.  with Koreans you&#039;re talking about the children or grandchildren of people who made it through the hardships of the 20th century as a unit.  just ignore it.  they&#039;re biased and will never understand.

@expatjane you seem to be defending yourself for things which you don&#039;t need to be defensive.  sounds like Ed asked you why you think the show was crap.  personally I didn&#039;t see anything in that where he judged your opinion.  also this is just me but it seems like if you know the history it should come out in the substance of your posts, not just you talking about the education you had.  I found the perspective he had on Ward and why Koreans enjoy the show interesting.  only a sad person would begrudge people their simple pleasures.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@chris Koreans started emigrating to the US after the immigration reforms of the 1960s.  prior to that because the US was so racist as a consequence of the Yellow Peril and Chinese Exclusion Acts of the 1800s there was effectively no immigration from East Asia to the US for over 100 years.  in fact the US is one of the only countries in the world (including Nazi Germany) that had specific prohibitions for race in its immigration bans in the 20th century.  it&#8217;s fine to be &#8220;Korean.&#8221;  it&#8217;s Western paternalism on the part of posters like Turnbull and javabeans to sneer at Korean identity while promoting the sanctity of European Jewish Identity.  talk about bloodline&#8230; any Jew who can pass muster with an orthodox rabbi in Israel can claim citizenship and aid from the government of Israel even if neither they nor anyone for 1000 years actually resided in Palestine.  with Koreans you&#8217;re talking about the children or grandchildren of people who made it through the hardships of the 20th century as a unit.  just ignore it.  they&#8217;re biased and will never understand.</p>
<p>@expatjane you seem to be defending yourself for things which you don&#8217;t need to be defensive.  sounds like Ed asked you why you think the show was crap.  personally I didn&#8217;t see anything in that where he judged your opinion.  also this is just me but it seems like if you know the history it should come out in the substance of your posts, not just you talking about the education you had.  I found the perspective he had on Ward and why Koreans enjoy the show interesting.  only a sad person would begrudge people their simple pleasures.</p>
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		<title>By: apple</title>
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		<dc:creator>apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, Bianca is half Korean]]></description>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[isn&#039;t that girl bianca mobley half-korean too?]]></description>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/04/global-talk-show-not-quite-as-global-as-it-thinks/comment-page-1/#comment-170264</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been watching the show regularly from the local Korean DVD store and I love this show!!!  These beautiful women from all over the world speak impeccable Korean and they&#039;re hilarious.  Sometimes they have handsome men from around the globe as well.  As far as Cai Lina is concerned, she is Korean.  People identify themselves by their heritage and not by their nationality.  Hence, Korean-American, African-American, European-American, etc.  I am very proud of my Korean heritage and even though I am an American citizen, I always state I&#039;m Korean.  (My white friends think I&#039;m going overboard with this pride thing lol)  I always explain to them that when it comes to whites, they have deep roots in America and have been mixed with other European nations to a degree where it&#039;s hard for them to identify themselves with certain European countries.  Ex:  1/32 British, 1/16 French, so on and so on).   However, I do know many Americans that can still claim they&#039;re full-blooded German, Italians, etc., if they&#039;re not of mixed blood as much.  As far as Koreans go, Koreans didn&#039;t emigrate to America until recently (mid 70&#039;s to mid 80&#039;s) was where a large wave of Korean professionals with children &quot;flooded&quot; America.  And Koreans like to marry one another so it&#039;s easy for Koreans to identify themselves as Koreans even though in actuality, are &quot;Americans&quot;.  

Talk about being a minority in the U.S.  Large number of Koreans go back to Korea since the economy in Korea (Korea, Japan, China) is doing much better than the U.S. and Western countries.  I saw large number of  white Americans are emigrating to Korea to find jobs.  (not to teach English but to work at major Korean companies).  I hope this relationship between East and West would have a profound impact on working together to make this world a better, peaceful place to live.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been watching the show regularly from the local Korean DVD store and I love this show!!!  These beautiful women from all over the world speak impeccable Korean and they&#8217;re hilarious.  Sometimes they have handsome men from around the globe as well.  As far as Cai Lina is concerned, she is Korean.  People identify themselves by their heritage and not by their nationality.  Hence, Korean-American, African-American, European-American, etc.  I am very proud of my Korean heritage and even though I am an American citizen, I always state I&#8217;m Korean.  (My white friends think I&#8217;m going overboard with this pride thing lol)  I always explain to them that when it comes to whites, they have deep roots in America and have been mixed with other European nations to a degree where it&#8217;s hard for them to identify themselves with certain European countries.  Ex:  1/32 British, 1/16 French, so on and so on).   However, I do know many Americans that can still claim they&#8217;re full-blooded German, Italians, etc., if they&#8217;re not of mixed blood as much.  As far as Koreans go, Koreans didn&#8217;t emigrate to America until recently (mid 70&#8242;s to mid 80&#8242;s) was where a large wave of Korean professionals with children &#8220;flooded&#8221; America.  And Koreans like to marry one another so it&#8217;s easy for Koreans to identify themselves as Koreans even though in actuality, are &#8220;Americans&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Talk about being a minority in the U.S.  Large number of Koreans go back to Korea since the economy in Korea (Korea, Japan, China) is doing much better than the U.S. and Western countries.  I saw large number of  white Americans are emigrating to Korea to find jobs.  (not to teach English but to work at major Korean companies).  I hope this relationship between East and West would have a profound impact on working together to make this world a better, peaceful place to live.  <img src='http://www.dramabeans.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ExpatJane</title>
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		<dc:creator>ExpatJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 07:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, I happened upon this after Googling myself trying to find something else, so months later let me answer your question Ed.

I think the show is crap because it&#039;s lightweight.  I lived in Korea for quite a long time and even before I arrived I knew its history. After two years at Ewha, I came away knowing much more and, hopefully, have a nuanced view of South Korean history (at least from the Korean War onward.) Thank you very much for the history lesson, but it&#039;s not necessary.  

Funny how you&#039;ve injected your own biases into my opinion without even knowing why I thought the show is not worth my time.  It&#039;s a lightweight show which is superficial at best.  That&#039;s not uncommon for TV and it&#039;s the exact reason why I don&#039;t like most TV shows.

As for Hines Ward.  Great, but again the fact remains that his mother had to read Koreans the riot act regarding race.  Only then did they respond and to make some forms of racism illegal.  Again, you&#039;re so quick to lecture me that the sin you&#039;ve accused me of, injecting my prejudice and hangups into an issue, that you end up making the same error.  

BTW, I think it&#039;s great his mom sacrificed.  However, you know what? Most good moms do sacrifice for their children.  Mine did too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I happened upon this after Googling myself trying to find something else, so months later let me answer your question Ed.</p>
<p>I think the show is crap because it&#8217;s lightweight.  I lived in Korea for quite a long time and even before I arrived I knew its history. After two years at Ewha, I came away knowing much more and, hopefully, have a nuanced view of South Korean history (at least from the Korean War onward.) Thank you very much for the history lesson, but it&#8217;s not necessary.  </p>
<p>Funny how you&#8217;ve injected your own biases into my opinion without even knowing why I thought the show is not worth my time.  It&#8217;s a lightweight show which is superficial at best.  That&#8217;s not uncommon for TV and it&#8217;s the exact reason why I don&#8217;t like most TV shows.</p>
<p>As for Hines Ward.  Great, but again the fact remains that his mother had to read Koreans the riot act regarding race.  Only then did they respond and to make some forms of racism illegal.  Again, you&#8217;re so quick to lecture me that the sin you&#8217;ve accused me of, injecting my prejudice and hangups into an issue, that you end up making the same error.  </p>
<p>BTW, I think it&#8217;s great his mom sacrificed.  However, you know what? Most good moms do sacrifice for their children.  Mine did too.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/04/global-talk-show-not-quite-as-global-as-it-thinks/comment-page-1/#comment-110470</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ExpatJane, why do you think this show is crap.  The entire point of the show is marveling at the fact that foreigners now speak Korean.  That fact might seem unremarkable to those born after 1987, but 40 years ago Korea was a third world nation with people literally starving in the streets and women prostituting themselves to Americans to support their families.  50 years ago it was a blasted land with entire skyline of Seoul and most of the countryside in ruins.  Even to a non Korean the fact that people come from all over the world to live and work in Korea is amazing and something that didn&#039;t just happen.  It&#039;s the culmination of 60 years of blood sweat and tears by an entire nation unlike anything comparable in the developed world and an achievement worth celebrating and being proud of.

As for Hines.  You seem to ignore the fact that he&#039;s accepted for 2 reasons:  1)he has Korean heritage 2) he came to Korea to self-identify as Korean.  I cant see any sort of issue with that whatsoever.   Should he be treated in Korea like Imus treated the Rutgers womens&#039; basketball team?  Basically told &quot;No matter what you do or what you achieve you&#039;ll be a nappy headed ho to me?&quot;  If Koreans treated Hines as &quot;just another hapa&quot; then there&#039;d be cries of racism that Koreans cannot see past race even when someone is MVP.  Instead Koreans took the high road and embraced Hines as one of their own and shared with him in the glory of his achievements.  I suppose you think it&#039;s equally &quot;cheap&quot; for blacks to &quot;claim him&quot; as African American?  The whole thing is an entirely adolescent and small-minded way to look at race.

It&#039;s ironic you mention his mother because the major part of the Hines Ward story in Korea is actually the story of how his Korean mother sacrificed to make him the man he is.  To Americans this tale doesn&#039;t have specific significance but to Koreans this folk tale of a mother sacrificing for a son is one of the central morality stories in society and has special resonance.  It&#039;s also one of the reasons why Hines was immediately accepted despite his differences.  &quot;Yes he looks different but seeing what he went through is like what we collectively as a society went through... he is Korean.&quot;  That is the unwritten story that played in millions of Koreans&#039; hearts when he came over.  It&#039;s particularly ugly when someone takes a beautiful story of acceptance and breaking down barriers to inject their own prejudices and hangups.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ExpatJane, why do you think this show is crap.  The entire point of the show is marveling at the fact that foreigners now speak Korean.  That fact might seem unremarkable to those born after 1987, but 40 years ago Korea was a third world nation with people literally starving in the streets and women prostituting themselves to Americans to support their families.  50 years ago it was a blasted land with entire skyline of Seoul and most of the countryside in ruins.  Even to a non Korean the fact that people come from all over the world to live and work in Korea is amazing and something that didn&#8217;t just happen.  It&#8217;s the culmination of 60 years of blood sweat and tears by an entire nation unlike anything comparable in the developed world and an achievement worth celebrating and being proud of.</p>
<p>As for Hines.  You seem to ignore the fact that he&#8217;s accepted for 2 reasons:  1)he has Korean heritage 2) he came to Korea to self-identify as Korean.  I cant see any sort of issue with that whatsoever.   Should he be treated in Korea like Imus treated the Rutgers womens&#8217; basketball team?  Basically told &#8220;No matter what you do or what you achieve you&#8217;ll be a nappy headed ho to me?&#8221;  If Koreans treated Hines as &#8220;just another hapa&#8221; then there&#8217;d be cries of racism that Koreans cannot see past race even when someone is MVP.  Instead Koreans took the high road and embraced Hines as one of their own and shared with him in the glory of his achievements.  I suppose you think it&#8217;s equally &#8220;cheap&#8221; for blacks to &#8220;claim him&#8221; as African American?  The whole thing is an entirely adolescent and small-minded way to look at race.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic you mention his mother because the major part of the Hines Ward story in Korea is actually the story of how his Korean mother sacrificed to make him the man he is.  To Americans this tale doesn&#8217;t have specific significance but to Koreans this folk tale of a mother sacrificing for a son is one of the central morality stories in society and has special resonance.  It&#8217;s also one of the reasons why Hines was immediately accepted despite his differences.  &#8220;Yes he looks different but seeing what he went through is like what we collectively as a society went through&#8230; he is Korean.&#8221;  That is the unwritten story that played in millions of Koreans&#8217; hearts when he came over.  It&#8217;s particularly ugly when someone takes a beautiful story of acceptance and breaking down barriers to inject their own prejudices and hangups.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If a Chinese family moves to Korea and stays there for several generations would their grandchildren be considered Korean? Or is it like how 3rd-gen Koreans in Japan are not considered Japanese?&quot;

China is a multiethnic society similar in geographic size, population and ethnic diversity as Europe.  Like an above poster said, northern Chinese are closer to Manchurian and Korean genetically than Southern Chinese.  Japan is a different case its obsession with racial purity is a direct consequence of fascist pre-WWII society and history.  Even mixed-race children of ethnic Japanese from Peru and South America are subject to deportation.  And for the most part you cannot be Japanese unless your family was considered Japanese during the Meiji period going back to the late 1800s

As for Koreans in China, there&#039;s a province in NE China that&#039;s traditionally been Korean going back thousands of years and is an Independently administered area like Tibet.  Like Tibet, the Korean areas have Korean as an official language but like Tibet it&#039;s slowly being sinicized, with the population going from 2/3 Korean to 2/3 Chinese in the past 40 years.  Eventually it&#039;ll be almost entirely Chinese and as nondescript from the rest of China.  Koreans in other areas of China basically live like Koreans in the US.  How you view yourself has much to do with your personal views, how you were raised, personality and economic status]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If a Chinese family moves to Korea and stays there for several generations would their grandchildren be considered Korean? Or is it like how 3rd-gen Koreans in Japan are not considered Japanese?&#8221;</p>
<p>China is a multiethnic society similar in geographic size, population and ethnic diversity as Europe.  Like an above poster said, northern Chinese are closer to Manchurian and Korean genetically than Southern Chinese.  Japan is a different case its obsession with racial purity is a direct consequence of fascist pre-WWII society and history.  Even mixed-race children of ethnic Japanese from Peru and South America are subject to deportation.  And for the most part you cannot be Japanese unless your family was considered Japanese during the Meiji period going back to the late 1800s</p>
<p>As for Koreans in China, there&#8217;s a province in NE China that&#8217;s traditionally been Korean going back thousands of years and is an Independently administered area like Tibet.  Like Tibet, the Korean areas have Korean as an official language but like Tibet it&#8217;s slowly being sinicized, with the population going from 2/3 Korean to 2/3 Chinese in the past 40 years.  Eventually it&#8217;ll be almost entirely Chinese and as nondescript from the rest of China.  Koreans in other areas of China basically live like Koreans in the US.  How you view yourself has much to do with your personal views, how you were raised, personality and economic status</p>
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		<title>By: The Schmidts &#187; Ух ты, говорящая рыба!</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Schmidts &#187; Ух ты, говорящая рыба!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] - шоу идет не один год. Последнее время у них скандал: одна из участниц, китаянка, оказалась кореянкой. Вместо того, чтобы признать, что даже у азиатов есть [...]]]></description>
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<p>[...] &#8211; шоу идет не один год. Последнее время у них скандал: одна из участниц, китаянка, оказалась кореянкой. Вместо того, чтобы признать, что даже у азиатов есть [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ExpatJane</title>
		<link>http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/04/global-talk-show-not-quite-as-global-as-it-thinks/comment-page-1/#comment-36844</link>
		<dc:creator>ExpatJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 07:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[She lied.  I think that&#039;s the primary people are upset.  There are other subtexts like being ethnically Korean and being claimed no matter where you were raised.  The same thing happened with Hines Ward.  He&#039;s half but when he was MVP Koreans acted like it was no problem that he was half black.  I&#039;m glad that his mother set the record straight on that. 

She didn&#039;t reveal this because it&#039;s pretty clear that had she revealed it, she wouldn&#039;t have gotten on the show or, at least, wouldn&#039;t have stayed very long.

I think the show is crap and it&#039;s only promoting this false sense of acceptance of foreigners in Korean society.  Koreans can ask foreign women stupid questions and, because they&#039;re paid, they have to sit there and answer them.  Wooooooooo!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She lied.  I think that&#8217;s the primary people are upset.  There are other subtexts like being ethnically Korean and being claimed no matter where you were raised.  The same thing happened with Hines Ward.  He&#8217;s half but when he was MVP Koreans acted like it was no problem that he was half black.  I&#8217;m glad that his mother set the record straight on that. </p>
<p>She didn&#8217;t reveal this because it&#8217;s pretty clear that had she revealed it, she wouldn&#8217;t have gotten on the show or, at least, wouldn&#8217;t have stayed very long.</p>
<p>I think the show is crap and it&#8217;s only promoting this false sense of acceptance of foreigners in Korean society.  Koreans can ask foreign women stupid questions and, because they&#8217;re paid, they have to sit there and answer them.  Wooooooooo!</p>
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		<title>By: kamee</title>
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		<dc:creator>kamee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a natural response to deception, but i think korean netizens always take it overboard so i&#039;m really not surprised.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a natural response to deception, but i think korean netizens always take it overboard so i&#8217;m really not surprised.</p>
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