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		<title>By: belleza</title>
		<link>http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/07/open-thread-38/comment-page-1/#comment-49488</link>
		<dc:creator>belleza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If they can forgive Edison Chen’s indiscretions and foolishness, why not Sawajiri.&quot;

Oh I feel bad for Edison.  Because even if media forgave him (though it was never really his fault to begin with), the Triads sure haven&#039;t.  Eek . . . 

&quot;And Sousuke would be cowering in fear from her, lest she bites him with her saber-tooth!&quot;

Funny that -- after 1 Litre finished, Sawajiri was often seen hanging out with the boys of NEWS.  And she would have the older (and notoriously moody) Ryo address her as Erika-SAMA.  Oh snap!!  :D  Pi and Sawajiri should do a drama together; it would be very uncomfortable for both of them.  :D

I suppose it&#039;s kinda similar to Yamada Takayuki.  He&#039;s perhaps the best actor of his generation, but he&#039;s also a notorious party animal.  There&#039;s in fact really funny picture of a very unshaven him and Han Hyo Joo sloshed out of their minds at a party. . .  Thanks to our lord and master Yonsama, Korean-Japanese relations have reached new heights!

&quot;It stars Kim Ji Soo (she was great in This Charming Girl) and my favorite kdrama actress lately, Lee Hana, so it’s a no brainer choice.&quot;

Oh I think Women in the Sun (or at least up through Episode 8), it&#039;s close to brilliant.  The story takes the familiar revenge melodrama formula, and then tweaks it into a story about fear, isolation, human duality, familial bonds, etc.  How not necessarily evil people can do the most evil things.   Grows more claustrophobic and Ji Soo&#039;s character grows more isolated and even starts to have nightmares/visions.   When it&#039;s good, it&#039;s like the Devil Wears Prada version of Mawang.  :D  Both actresses do wonderful work here, and this show has absolutely earned its strong word of mouth.  

&quot;Does Han Jae Suk play a likable character here? Looks like he’s gonna play the guy torn between two sisters again (in Glass Slippers, I wanted him to fall in love with the elder sister, drats)….&quot;

What&#039;s interesting about the story is that both male characters develop meaningful, complex relationships with both women.  So, on one hand, I really like Jae Suk with Ha Na.   But I also like Ji Soo with Gyu Woon.  Jae Suk is maybe the less involving character so far, but the story is set up so that he becomes very important when the ish hits the fan. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If they can forgive Edison Chen’s indiscretions and foolishness, why not Sawajiri.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh I feel bad for Edison.  Because even if media forgave him (though it was never really his fault to begin with), the Triads sure haven&#8217;t.  Eek . . . </p>
<p>&#8220;And Sousuke would be cowering in fear from her, lest she bites him with her saber-tooth!&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny that &#8212; after 1 Litre finished, Sawajiri was often seen hanging out with the boys of NEWS.  And she would have the older (and notoriously moody) Ryo address her as Erika-SAMA.  Oh snap!!  <img src='http://www.dramabeans.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />   Pi and Sawajiri should do a drama together; it would be very uncomfortable for both of them.  <img src='http://www.dramabeans.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I suppose it&#8217;s kinda similar to Yamada Takayuki.  He&#8217;s perhaps the best actor of his generation, but he&#8217;s also a notorious party animal.  There&#8217;s in fact really funny picture of a very unshaven him and Han Hyo Joo sloshed out of their minds at a party. . .  Thanks to our lord and master Yonsama, Korean-Japanese relations have reached new heights!</p>
<p>&#8220;It stars Kim Ji Soo (she was great in This Charming Girl) and my favorite kdrama actress lately, Lee Hana, so it’s a no brainer choice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh I think Women in the Sun (or at least up through Episode 8), it&#8217;s close to brilliant.  The story takes the familiar revenge melodrama formula, and then tweaks it into a story about fear, isolation, human duality, familial bonds, etc.  How not necessarily evil people can do the most evil things.   Grows more claustrophobic and Ji Soo&#8217;s character grows more isolated and even starts to have nightmares/visions.   When it&#8217;s good, it&#8217;s like the Devil Wears Prada version of Mawang.  <img src='http://www.dramabeans.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />   Both actresses do wonderful work here, and this show has absolutely earned its strong word of mouth.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Does Han Jae Suk play a likable character here? Looks like he’s gonna play the guy torn between two sisters again (in Glass Slippers, I wanted him to fall in love with the elder sister, drats)….&#8221;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting about the story is that both male characters develop meaningful, complex relationships with both women.  So, on one hand, I really like Jae Suk with Ha Na.   But I also like Ji Soo with Gyu Woon.  Jae Suk is maybe the less involving character so far, but the story is set up so that he becomes very important when the ish hits the fan.</p>
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		<title>By: Felicity</title>
		<link>http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/07/open-thread-38/comment-page-1/#comment-49337</link>
		<dc:creator>Felicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 01:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ belleza

I intend to catch up with Women of the Sun, among the other new kdrama offerings. It stars Kim Ji Soo (she was great in This Charming Girl) and my favorite kdrama actress lately, Lee Hana, so it&#039;s a no brainer choice. :) Does Han Jae Suk play a likable character here? Looks like he&#039;s gonna play the guy torn between two sisters again (in Glass Slippers, I wanted him to fall in love with the elder sister, drats)....I was hoping Javabeans would recap this drama. Oh well.

&quot;Kimura is sexy. Nagase IS sex&quot;

Ding! Ding! Ding! And we have a winner here! :)

Only Nagase can get away with pulling down his trousers to reveal the briefs he was endorsing on national tv, making the female emcees giggle nonstop and turning a deep shade of crimson. lol. An endearing crazy, sexy dork he is! There&#039;s one recent videoclip floating around on youtube of HardGay interviewing Tokio and Nagase interrupting HardGay to say matter of factly, &quot;No. *I&#039;m* the king of hot pants&quot;, when HardGay was parading in front of them.  Nagase used to wear those tight leather pants in those earlier years of Tokio. Hubba hubba.

For sure, Sawascary-sama would beat down the cast of High school Musical singlehandedly. And Sousuke would be cowering in fear from her, lest she bites him with her saber-tooth!

Yeah, for all the bad rep she&#039;s taken, Erika Sawajiri had the whole package - looks, talent and youth. The world was her oyster but she blew it with her arrogance. I guess she didn&#039;t expect the media backlash to be this severe. Well it&#039;s not too late for her to eat humble pie and make a comeback...people do have short memories. If they can forgive Edison Chen&#039;s indiscretions and foolishness, why not Sawajiri.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ belleza</p>
<p>I intend to catch up with Women of the Sun, among the other new kdrama offerings. It stars Kim Ji Soo (she was great in This Charming Girl) and my favorite kdrama actress lately, Lee Hana, so it&#8217;s a no brainer choice. <img src='http://www.dramabeans.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Does Han Jae Suk play a likable character here? Looks like he&#8217;s gonna play the guy torn between two sisters again (in Glass Slippers, I wanted him to fall in love with the elder sister, drats)&#8230;.I was hoping Javabeans would recap this drama. Oh well.</p>
<p>&#8220;Kimura is sexy. Nagase IS sex&#8221;</p>
<p>Ding! Ding! Ding! And we have a winner here! <img src='http://www.dramabeans.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Only Nagase can get away with pulling down his trousers to reveal the briefs he was endorsing on national tv, making the female emcees giggle nonstop and turning a deep shade of crimson. lol. An endearing crazy, sexy dork he is! There&#8217;s one recent videoclip floating around on youtube of HardGay interviewing Tokio and Nagase interrupting HardGay to say matter of factly, &#8220;No. *I&#8217;m* the king of hot pants&#8221;, when HardGay was parading in front of them.  Nagase used to wear those tight leather pants in those earlier years of Tokio. Hubba hubba.</p>
<p>For sure, Sawascary-sama would beat down the cast of High school Musical singlehandedly. And Sousuke would be cowering in fear from her, lest she bites him with her saber-tooth!</p>
<p>Yeah, for all the bad rep she&#8217;s taken, Erika Sawajiri had the whole package &#8211; looks, talent and youth. The world was her oyster but she blew it with her arrogance. I guess she didn&#8217;t expect the media backlash to be this severe. Well it&#8217;s not too late for her to eat humble pie and make a comeback&#8230;people do have short memories. If they can forgive Edison Chen&#8217;s indiscretions and foolishness, why not Sawajiri.</p>
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		<title>By: belleza</title>
		<link>http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/07/open-thread-38/comment-page-1/#comment-49216</link>
		<dc:creator>belleza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve watched about half of Women in the Sun, and this may be my favorite KBS drama so far this year.   The basic story fits into the template of a Korean revenge melodrama, but the dialogue is unusual in that various intimate characters rip apart the heroine early on in the show.   They&#039;re not so much characters as their favorite stand-ins for the Furies (one of them being her mother), voicing what she already knows.  Kim Ji Soo&#039;s performance is really good here, really nails claustrophobia and how her character&#039;s unresolved guilt has created this duality  within her being.   She&#039;s too scared right now to be sympathetic, and that&#039;s a good thing, because what she&#039;s done is truly terrible.  The way her main character is slowly descending into Hell reminds me of Mawang a lot.   The story doesn&#039;t weight heavily on the morality of her actions, just the fear of losing everything makes you lose every little thing.  And you can tell this early that Lee Ha Na&#039;s character (seriously, Lee Ha Na is the freshest actress in K-drama since forever . . . not since Na Young has somebody so inherently weird been allowed in) will flip from good to evil.  You sense it coming, and you dread it.  There also seems to be good word of mouth with the show, which has doubled its ratings, rare nowadays.  

@Felicity,

Yeah, here&#039;s my distinction betwene two of Johnny&#039;s very finest.  Kimura is sexy.  Nagase IS sex.  He&#039;s like the Japanese version of Anthony Kiedis, a silly manchild . . . of sex.  And he&#039;ll be playing yakuza until the day he dies by God!  

I think right now, it&#039;s Code, Tomorrow, and Maou.  Is it just me or is this summer&#039;s J-dramas list much stronger (and more adult) than last year?

Sawajiri is awesome; she has the best teeth since Lil Wayne!  I&#039;d love to see the Sawajiri-Kai throw ish down with the cast  from High School Musical.    Too bad she&#039;s too busy dating 45-year old men.  Wonder Girls/Girl Generation, take note.

In my heart, I&#039;ve always thought Sawajiri could have been truly great.  Her ability to relax in her scenes, and be in the moment with your environment, is something that takes most  actors years of practice to believably pass off on camera.  But I don&#039;t think she likes acting or has an especially high opinion of it.   As if her roles are too easy for her.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve watched about half of Women in the Sun, and this may be my favorite KBS drama so far this year.   The basic story fits into the template of a Korean revenge melodrama, but the dialogue is unusual in that various intimate characters rip apart the heroine early on in the show.   They&#8217;re not so much characters as their favorite stand-ins for the Furies (one of them being her mother), voicing what she already knows.  Kim Ji Soo&#8217;s performance is really good here, really nails claustrophobia and how her character&#8217;s unresolved guilt has created this duality  within her being.   She&#8217;s too scared right now to be sympathetic, and that&#8217;s a good thing, because what she&#8217;s done is truly terrible.  The way her main character is slowly descending into Hell reminds me of Mawang a lot.   The story doesn&#8217;t weight heavily on the morality of her actions, just the fear of losing everything makes you lose every little thing.  And you can tell this early that Lee Ha Na&#8217;s character (seriously, Lee Ha Na is the freshest actress in K-drama since forever . . . not since Na Young has somebody so inherently weird been allowed in) will flip from good to evil.  You sense it coming, and you dread it.  There also seems to be good word of mouth with the show, which has doubled its ratings, rare nowadays.  </p>
<p>@Felicity,</p>
<p>Yeah, here&#8217;s my distinction betwene two of Johnny&#8217;s very finest.  Kimura is sexy.  Nagase IS sex.  He&#8217;s like the Japanese version of Anthony Kiedis, a silly manchild . . . of sex.  And he&#8217;ll be playing yakuza until the day he dies by God!  </p>
<p>I think right now, it&#8217;s Code, Tomorrow, and Maou.  Is it just me or is this summer&#8217;s J-dramas list much stronger (and more adult) than last year?</p>
<p>Sawajiri is awesome; she has the best teeth since Lil Wayne!  I&#8217;d love to see the Sawajiri-Kai throw ish down with the cast  from High School Musical.    Too bad she&#8217;s too busy dating 45-year old men.  Wonder Girls/Girl Generation, take note.</p>
<p>In my heart, I&#8217;ve always thought Sawajiri could have been truly great.  Her ability to relax in her scenes, and be in the moment with your environment, is something that takes most  actors years of practice to believably pass off on camera.  But I don&#8217;t think she likes acting or has an especially high opinion of it.   As if her roles are too easy for her.</p>
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		<title>By: Felicity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eep, comment got cut! 

So many summer dramas to catch...Code Blue, Tomorrow,  Maou and Yasuko to Kenji (Mabo is l-u-r-v-e!). Ohno plays JJH&#039;s counterpart in Maou, and I like him better than JJH already. The producers brought in his OTP for a cameo, so they can push each other against the wall. haha! Toma is struggling to find his footing in Uhm Tae Wong&#039;s role but the boy sure is energetic. </description>
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<p>So many summer dramas to catch&#8230;Code Blue, Tomorrow,  Maou and Yasuko to Kenji (Mabo is l-u-r-v-e!). Ohno plays JJH&#8217;s counterpart in Maou, and I like him better than JJH already. The producers brought in his OTP for a cameo, so they can push each other against the wall. haha! Toma is struggling to find his footing in Uhm Tae Wong&#8217;s role but the boy sure is energetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Felicity</title>
		<link>http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/07/open-thread-38/comment-page-1/#comment-49070</link>
		<dc:creator>Felicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the movie Wanted last night. Loved it. Gleefully over-the-top, defying logic and gravity, one hot chick (Jolie is sizzling *fans self*) and lots of James McEvoy doing funny faces with his twinkly blue eyes....ahh, just what a great summer flick ought to be! 

@belleza

&quot;Federer was like the Kimura Takuya to Nadal’s Tomoyo Nagase. Nah, not at all, but I just wanted to put the words “Nagase” and “Takuya” in the same sentence.&quot;

Hahaha....It&#039;d be fun to see them together in the same movie.  It&#039;s possible as Nagase&#039;s style is distinct enough from Kimura&#039;s... One is the King of Fools, the other King of Cool. :)  Nagase is no copy-cat or wannabe of Kimura, both just as charismatic in his own way. Unlike Yamapi, who&#039;s like Kimura-lite or new Coca-cola - brand new packaging but much less satisfaction. I&#039;d take my original Coca-cola...I mean, Takuya Kimura any day. ;-P

Yeah, Japan was besotted with Nanako Matsushima (but word is out that Nanako is no longer the Queen of ad money these days - something about her being past her expiry date. Ittai!) and now they love their Yankumi best, Nakama Yukie. I don&#039;t mind her at all, she&#039;s got the classy beauty and fair skin that will make Nippon sigh. LoL. Masami Nagasawa is so bland. Meh. She&#039;s like a pretty decoration, and nothing much more. I prefer my bad girl Erika Sawajiri....lol, this lil woman is fierce, yo! 

So many summer dramas to catch...Code Blue, Tomorrow, Maou and Yasuko to Kenji (Mabo is </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the movie Wanted last night. Loved it. Gleefully over-the-top, defying logic and gravity, one hot chick (Jolie is sizzling *fans self*) and lots of James McEvoy doing funny faces with his twinkly blue eyes&#8230;.ahh, just what a great summer flick ought to be! </p>
<p>@belleza</p>
<p>&#8220;Federer was like the Kimura Takuya to Nadal’s Tomoyo Nagase. Nah, not at all, but I just wanted to put the words “Nagase” and “Takuya” in the same sentence.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hahaha&#8230;.It&#8217;d be fun to see them together in the same movie.  It&#8217;s possible as Nagase&#8217;s style is distinct enough from Kimura&#8217;s&#8230; One is the King of Fools, the other King of Cool. <img src='http://www.dramabeans.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Nagase is no copy-cat or wannabe of Kimura, both just as charismatic in his own way. Unlike Yamapi, who&#8217;s like Kimura-lite or new Coca-cola &#8211; brand new packaging but much less satisfaction. I&#8217;d take my original Coca-cola&#8230;I mean, Takuya Kimura any day. ;-P</p>
<p>Yeah, Japan was besotted with Nanako Matsushima (but word is out that Nanako is no longer the Queen of ad money these days &#8211; something about her being past her expiry date. Ittai!) and now they love their Yankumi best, Nakama Yukie. I don&#8217;t mind her at all, she&#8217;s got the classy beauty and fair skin that will make Nippon sigh. LoL. Masami Nagasawa is so bland. Meh. She&#8217;s like a pretty decoration, and nothing much more. I prefer my bad girl Erika Sawajiri&#8230;.lol, this lil woman is fierce, yo! </p>
<p>So many summer dramas to catch&#8230;Code Blue, Tomorrow, Maou and Yasuko to Kenji (Mabo is</p>
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		<title>By: Sephia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sephia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 01:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m in usa for a month so i had to participate in this fireworks thing. the kids certainly had fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m in usa for a month so i had to participate in this fireworks thing. the kids certainly had fun.</p>
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		<title>By: yetti</title>
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		<dc:creator>yetti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 18:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>belleza, yup- i&#039;ve seen that. hilarious. 
you should download the smap smap bistro with nicolas cage. the weirdo covered his mouth with every bite of food. ugh. (dl from d-addicts)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>belleza, yup- i&#8217;ve seen that. hilarious.<br />
you should download the smap smap bistro with nicolas cage. the weirdo covered his mouth with every bite of food. ugh. (dl from d-addicts)</p>
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		<title>By: javabeans</title>
		<link>http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/07/open-thread-38/comment-page-1/#comment-48915</link>
		<dc:creator>javabeans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 14:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wackywinter, here&#039;s the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dramabeans.com/about/the-give-luv-lotsa-love-page/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;headers page&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wackywinter, here&#8217;s the <a href="http://www.dramabeans.com/about/the-give-luv-lotsa-love-page/" rel="nofollow">headers page</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: wackywinter</title>
		<link>http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/07/open-thread-38/comment-page-1/#comment-48901</link>
		<dc:creator>wackywinter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could someone tell me who is the girl on the banner for this website (girl second from the right).  I viewed this website on July 12.  Don&#039;t know if you change the banner often or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could someone tell me who is the girl on the banner for this website (girl second from the right).  I viewed this website on July 12.  Don&#8217;t know if you change the banner often or not.</p>
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		<title>By: wackywinter</title>
		<link>http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/07/open-thread-38/comment-page-1/#comment-48900</link>
		<dc:creator>wackywinter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could you upload the song of the day at either Box.net or Mediafire.com? thanks</description>
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