Comments on: Open Thread #43 http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/08/open-thread-43/ Deconstructing kdramas and kpop culture Sat, 21 Nov 2009 14:53:56 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Wanderer http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/08/open-thread-43/#comment-54124 Wanderer Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:00:13 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=2864#comment-54124 All though this is off topic, I feel the need to reply :) To Lynn, THANK YOU! Loved the article. I had read something similar a while ago, but couldnt think of where I read it. Basically the article states the same as what you and I were saying. That evolution doesnt occur in just one particular population, but to all populations depending on selective pressures in that area. To Twinkie: Homo neanderthalensis and Homo erectus were completely different species!! We are ALL the same species (Homo sapiens).. so saying that one human is more evolved than another is a bit of a stretch ( evolutions doesnt just happen in a day.. ) All though this is off topic, I feel the need to reply :)

To Lynn,
THANK YOU! Loved the article. I had read something similar a while ago, but couldnt think of where I read it. Basically the article states the same as what you and I were saying. That evolution doesnt occur in just one particular population, but to all populations depending on selective pressures in that area.

To Twinkie:
Homo neanderthalensis and Homo erectus were completely different species!! We are ALL the same species (Homo sapiens).. so saying that one human is more evolved than another is a bit of a stretch ( evolutions doesnt just happen in a day.. )

]]> By: Lynn http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/08/open-thread-43/#comment-53958 Lynn Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:29:38 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=2864#comment-53958 @ Wanderer & Twinkie Read this article, its very interesting to what Twinkie is talking about. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/science/26human.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&oref=slogin To be honest and offtopic to the thread's original post, history is subjective ultimately. However, we have a choice to unite and work towards a more meaningful existence. And I am sorry, I don't buy the genetic, evolutionary superiority of East Asians nor that of any other group of people. Every group of people has intelligent, moderate intelligent, and below intelligent individuals. There are too many variables to bank everything on genetics let alone evolution. And besides that ,using evolution and genetics to make a case (even though you say that you were misunderstood (which honestly sounds like total bs) is tantamount to the beginning rumblings of making another argument for Eugenics. I swear I hope nobody gets that in their head to start that mess again. Race is a misnomer and an insecurity of human beings. Always wanting to be different and set apart. We are all freaking human beings. We need to get on with being a united group. We can retain our cultures and beliefs but we don't have to sacrifice what we are as human beings for some superior mumbo jumbo. @ Wanderer & Twinkie

Read this article, its very interesting to what Twinkie is talking about.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/science/26human.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2&oref=slogin

To be honest and offtopic to the thread’s original post, history is subjective ultimately. However, we have a choice to unite and work towards a more meaningful existence.

And I am sorry, I don’t buy the genetic, evolutionary superiority of East Asians nor that of any other group of people. Every group of people has intelligent, moderate intelligent, and below intelligent individuals. There are too many variables to bank everything on genetics let alone evolution.

And besides that ,using evolution and genetics to make a case (even though you say that you were misunderstood (which honestly sounds like total bs) is tantamount to the beginning rumblings of making another argument for Eugenics. I swear I hope nobody gets that in their head to start that mess again.

Race is a misnomer and an insecurity of human beings. Always wanting to be different and set apart. We are all freaking human beings. We need to get on with being a united group. We can retain our cultures and beliefs but we don’t have to sacrifice what we are as human beings for some superior mumbo jumbo.

]]> By: Twinkie http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/08/open-thread-43/#comment-53916 Twinkie Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:12:00 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=2864#comment-53916 @Wanderer, Saying that east asians are more evolved than europeans is not a twist to suit one's opinion. It's not an opinion. It's fact. east asians were the last to evolve hence making them the most evolved. Just like Homo neanderthal evolved later than homo erectus. You're misunderstood my post b/c you thought I wrote that east asians are superior. Although that may be implied @Wanderer,

Saying that east asians are more evolved than europeans is not a twist to suit one’s opinion. It’s not an opinion. It’s fact. east asians were the last to evolve hence making them the most evolved. Just like Homo neanderthal evolved later than homo erectus.

You’re misunderstood my post b/c you thought I wrote that east asians are superior. Although that may be implied

]]> By: Wanderer http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/08/open-thread-43/#comment-53895 Wanderer Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:47:47 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=2864#comment-53895 To Twinkie: While I whole-heartedly agree with you that there are facts in history that have been twisted to accomplish a certain image (ex. Columbus discovering America)... Isnt saying that east asians are more evolved than europeans also a twist to suit one's opinion On what scientific evidence do you base your assertion on? *Race= a social construct to identify individuals by physical features/culture *Biological race= actual distinctions between different groups of individuals base on genetics -->* It has been shown (through scientific research) that when studying race through human genetics... it has been proven difficult to divide humans into biological races that are equivalent to the socially/culturally constructed ideas of race and which individual is what race So in FACT... there are less differences between races (biologically) than differences based on pure physical/cultural features In a nutshell, all I say is that we treat everyone regardless of their race with equal respect, fairness, and humility b/c we are more alike than we are different (science proved it for you) To Twinkie:
While I whole-heartedly agree with you that there are facts in history that have been twisted to accomplish a certain image (ex. Columbus discovering America)… Isnt saying that east asians are more evolved than europeans also a twist to suit one’s opinion
On what scientific evidence do you base your assertion on?
*Race= a social construct to identify individuals by physical features/culture
*Biological race= actual distinctions between different groups of individuals base on genetics
–>* It has been shown (through scientific research) that when studying race through human genetics… it has been proven difficult to divide humans into biological races that are equivalent to the socially/culturally constructed ideas of race and which individual is what race
So in FACT… there are less differences between races (biologically) than differences based on pure physical/cultural features

In a nutshell, all I say is that we treat everyone regardless of their race with equal respect, fairness, and humility b/c we are more alike than we are different (science proved it for you)

]]> By: Twinkie http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/08/open-thread-43/#comment-53864 Twinkie Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:23:21 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=2864#comment-53864 off-topic It's ironic that european Americans love to twist the facts like: 1. East Asians discovering America and not some slave-trading murdering Italian from Spain. 2. Chinese invented the printing press, and not Gutenberg. Actually, Koreans invented the first metal movable-type printing press which is what Gutenberg is credited for by whites. 3. Finally, East Asians are more evolved than Europeans. (this is fact: East asians have more brain power, less body hair, and are physically more unlike primitive primates). BTW, in response to the NBC comments of "costumes" worn by the Chinese during the opening ceremony: IT'S NOT A COSTUME. IT'S CLOTHING. MR. LAUER AND COSTAS: DO YOU CONSIDERING YOUR SHIRT AND TIE A COSTUME? (stupid idiots....) off-topic

It’s ironic that european Americans love to twist the facts like:

1. East Asians discovering America and not some slave-trading murdering Italian from Spain.
2. Chinese invented the printing press, and not Gutenberg. Actually, Koreans invented the first metal movable-type printing press which is what Gutenberg is credited for by whites.
3. Finally, East Asians are more evolved than Europeans. (this is fact: East asians have more brain power, less body hair, and are physically more unlike primitive primates).

BTW, in response to the NBC comments of “costumes” worn by the Chinese during the opening ceremony: IT’S NOT A COSTUME. IT’S CLOTHING. MR. LAUER AND COSTAS: DO YOU CONSIDERING YOUR SHIRT AND TIE A COSTUME? (stupid idiots….)

]]> By: Lynn http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/08/open-thread-43/#comment-53835 Lynn Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:21:28 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=2864#comment-53835 All4Movies, Thanks! :) I appreciate it. And I share your sentiments. May we live to see a world united instead of divided. That is for sure! Continue to speak out and know you are not alone. People of all races and backgrounds are behind you. :) All4Movies,

Thanks! :) I appreciate it. And I share your sentiments. May we live to see a world united instead of divided.

That is for sure!

Continue to speak out and know you are not alone. People of all races and backgrounds are behind you. :)

]]> By: Suhir http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/08/open-thread-43/#comment-53178 Suhir Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:16:19 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=2864#comment-53178 Javabeans genereally I agree wih your comments. And you sight some eamples of ridiculously sexist commentary. I am not sure if you are interpreting the other statements the way they were meant. They could have been attempting to point out the US's diversity. (And I an a 1st generation black American saying that not a corn-fed blue-eyed american) But jingoistic? Thats the nature of the Olympics. I have yet to see the nation that doesn't cover the games focusing on their own country the most. It's to be expected. I used to complain about the commentary and bias of NBC too. But I am spending this second week of the Olympics in Beijing China. SO I have learned to appreciate NBC. If you have cable you can watch practically every event as close to live as reasonably possible. I wanted to watch some Olympics on TV tonight like Track or anything else. However if there are no Chinese in it CCTV does not show it. AT ALL. They actually showed a repeat of a volleyball game and a 3 hour special about their gold medalists instead of any live Olympic event tonight. I am up so late because at 2 am they will give a brief non Chinese recap of the Olympics unrelated to China. This is all the non-Chinese watching I get to do. SO yes NBC has it's flaws. It's commentary can be quite silly. That's true of most sports commentary. All sports tv could use a lot less chatter. However at least NBC SHOWS THE OLYMPICS. I am missing that now. To be honest after CCTV I dont think I will ever complain about US olympic coverage again. Javabeans genereally I agree wih your comments. And you sight some eamples of ridiculously sexist commentary. I am not sure if you are interpreting the other statements the way they were meant. They could have been attempting to point out the US’s diversity. (And I an a 1st generation black American saying that not a corn-fed blue-eyed american) But jingoistic? Thats the nature of the Olympics. I have yet to see the nation that doesn’t cover the games focusing on their own country the most. It’s to be expected. I used to complain about the commentary and bias of NBC too. But I am spending this second week of the Olympics in Beijing China. SO I have learned to appreciate NBC. If you have cable you can watch practically every event as close to live as reasonably possible. I wanted to watch some Olympics on TV tonight like Track or anything else. However if there are no Chinese in it CCTV does not show it. AT ALL. They actually showed a repeat of a volleyball game and a 3 hour special about their gold medalists instead of any live Olympic event tonight. I am up so late because at 2 am they will give a brief non Chinese recap of the Olympics unrelated to China. This is all the non-Chinese watching I get to do. SO yes NBC has it’s flaws. It’s commentary can be quite silly. That’s true of most sports commentary. All sports tv could use a lot less chatter. However at least NBC SHOWS THE OLYMPICS. I am missing that now. To be honest after CCTV I dont think I will ever complain about US olympic coverage again.

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