Comments on: Open Thread, election style http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/11/open-thread-election-style/ Deconstructing korean dramas and kpop culture Sun, 12 Feb 2012 10:48:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Jenny http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/11/open-thread-election-style/comment-page-4/#comment-71688 Jenny Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:46:02 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=3188#comment-71688 Elaine, I agree with you. At least we can rejoice over the passage of Prop 8! :D McCain isn't Bush, rocketfuel, he's his own man. Surely you observed that, during this lengthy campaign that lasted goodness knows how long. Well, all we can do is hope for the best, because there's nothing else we can do. I pray that Obama will surpass my expectations, though, but if he fails to heal the earth and turn back the waters as he's vowed to do, and if he fails to restore the economy to its thriving health in four years as he's promised, he will lose my entire respect - respect, since he has none of my support to lose. Elaine, I agree with you. At least we can rejoice over the passage of Prop 8! :D McCain isn’t Bush, rocketfuel, he’s his own man. Surely you observed that, during this lengthy campaign that lasted goodness knows how long. Well, all we can do is hope for the best, because there’s nothing else we can do. I pray that Obama will surpass my expectations, though, but if he fails to heal the earth and turn back the waters as he’s vowed to do, and if he fails to restore the economy to its thriving health in four years as he’s promised, he will lose my entire respect – respect, since he has none of my support to lose.

]]> By: javabeans http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/11/open-thread-election-style/comment-page-4/#comment-70737 javabeans Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:54:30 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=3188#comment-70737 I know what partial-birth abortion is, and I've read enough to know that a blanket ban on them would do a lot of harm. Like you said, I'm not going to continue an argument either, but please don't assume that because I have a particular stance, I must not have researched it. I know what partial-birth abortion is, and I’ve read enough to know that a blanket ban on them would do a lot of harm. Like you said, I’m not going to continue an argument either, but please don’t assume that because I have a particular stance, I must not have researched it.

]]> By: Butterfly http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/11/open-thread-election-style/comment-page-4/#comment-70736 Butterfly Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:51:00 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=3188#comment-70736 I have not "bashed". If you are accusing me of that, that is a weak deflection from the issues and frankly, you're smarter than that. I've no intention of starting a big row in the comments field and also I don't have time to keep coming back to comment again and again. I stated the facts as they are FACTS. It is not misinformation. It is not bashing. It is not a "factual error". It is matter of fact that Barack Obama voted THREE times against the protection of human babies born alive from failed abortions. His abortion views are so radical that even NARAL and many other pro-choicers distanced themselves. He also supports partial-birth abortion (another heinous and radical agenda that alienates most reasoble pro-choicers). You should do some research on what takes place during a partial-birth abortion. Again, I'm sorry this is uncomfoortable for those of you who voted for him. But the facts have always been there. You all can't shoot the messanger and make accusations of misinformation and factual errors because the truth sounds so gruesome. It IS gruesome and we have to live with it. I'm out. I still totally love your blog, Javabeans!!! I have not “bashed”. If you are accusing me of that, that is a weak deflection from the issues and frankly, you’re smarter than that.

I’ve no intention of starting a big row in the comments field and also I don’t have time to keep coming back to comment again and again. I stated the facts as they are FACTS. It is not misinformation. It is not bashing. It is not a “factual error”. It is matter of fact that Barack Obama voted THREE times against the protection of human babies born alive from failed abortions. His abortion views are so radical that even NARAL and many other pro-choicers distanced themselves. He also supports partial-birth abortion (another heinous and radical agenda that alienates most reasoble pro-choicers).

You should do some research on what takes place during a partial-birth abortion.

Again, I’m sorry this is uncomfoortable for those of you who voted for him. But the facts have always been there. You all can’t shoot the messanger and make accusations of misinformation and factual errors because the truth sounds so gruesome. It IS gruesome and we have to live with it.

I’m out. I still totally love your blog, Javabeans!!!

]]> By: javabeans http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/11/open-thread-election-style/comment-page-4/#comment-70734 javabeans Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:41:13 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=3188#comment-70734 Yes, this is my blog, and yes, you're free to comment. Please don't take my responses as an attempt to stifle your views. By no means do I think everyone has to support Obama or find him perfect. But I can comment on your comments as well, which is all I've done. Sorry, I should have phrased that better -- I meant that there are certainly valid arguments criticizing Obama. And also that arguments made in a BASHING tone with factual errors tend to dull the points that ARE being made. Yes, this is my blog, and yes, you’re free to comment. Please don’t take my responses as an attempt to stifle your views. By no means do I think everyone has to support Obama or find him perfect.

But I can comment on your comments as well, which is all I’ve done.

Sorry, I should have phrased that better — I meant that there are certainly valid arguments criticizing Obama. And also that arguments made in a BASHING tone with factual errors tend to dull the points that ARE being made.

]]> By: Butterfly http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/11/open-thread-election-style/comment-page-4/#comment-70733 Butterfly Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:40:16 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=3188#comment-70733 "There are valid arguments against Obama, but if they aren’t accurate they don’t hold water." That's interesting. How can something be both VALID and yet at the same time NOT BE ACCUDATE and NOT HOLD WATER? So which part doesn't hold water or isn't accurate? The fact that he has never been in charge of anything in his professional life, or the fact that he has only served 143 days of official office time in the Senate, or the fact that in his 3 years as a Senator he never wrote one single piece of legislation? So I was wrong about the year he wrote his books. Does that change anything else I've said? “There are valid arguments against Obama, but if they aren’t accurate they don’t hold water.”

That’s interesting. How can something be both VALID and yet at the same time NOT BE ACCUDATE and NOT HOLD WATER?

So which part doesn’t hold water or isn’t accurate? The fact that he has never been in charge of anything in his professional life, or the fact that he has only served 143 days of official office time in the Senate, or the fact that in his 3 years as a Senator he never wrote one single piece of legislation?

So I was wrong about the year he wrote his books. Does that change anything else I’ve said?

]]> By: Butterfly http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/11/open-thread-election-style/comment-page-4/#comment-70732 Butterfly Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:36:05 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=3188#comment-70732 Javabeans, please. I know this is your blog but you have invited people to comment on the topic of Obama and related issues of the election. Please do NOT accuse me of misinformation. I'm sorry this is uncomfortable for those of you who voted for Obama, but this is REALITY. I am NOT referring to his abortion views. This is the Born Alive Act. http://www.bornalivetruth.org/obamarecord.aspx Futhermore, abortion is the direct and deliberate killing of a human being in its fetal gestation. There's NOTHING to be proud of, supporting abortion "rights". But, for the record, I was referring to Obama's views on the Born Alive Act, which is NOT directly an abortion issue. Obama also supports NO healthcare for the unborn. Which is sickening. Javabeans, please. I know this is your blog but you have invited people to comment on the topic of Obama and related issues of the election. Please do NOT accuse me of misinformation. I’m sorry this is uncomfortable for those of you who voted for Obama, but this is REALITY.

I am NOT referring to his abortion views. This is the Born Alive Act.

http://www.bornalivetruth.org/obamarecord.aspx

Futhermore, abortion is the direct and deliberate killing of a human being in its fetal gestation. There’s NOTHING to be proud of, supporting abortion “rights”. But, for the record, I was referring to Obama’s views on the Born Alive Act, which is NOT directly an abortion issue.

Obama also supports NO healthcare for the unborn. Which is sickening.

]]> By: javabeans http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/11/open-thread-election-style/comment-page-4/#comment-70731 javabeans Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:27:36 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=3188#comment-70731 Butterfly, again you are misinformed: Dreams from my Father was written in 1995, and Audacity of Hope was published in 06. There are valid arguments against Obama, but if they aren't accurate they don't hold water. Butterfly, again you are misinformed: Dreams from my Father was written in 1995, and Audacity of Hope was published in 06.

There are valid arguments against Obama, but if they aren’t accurate they don’t hold water.

]]> By: Butterfly http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/11/open-thread-election-style/comment-page-4/#comment-70730 Butterfly Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:24:40 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=3188#comment-70730 P.S. And then there's the issue of Obama having never been in charge of ANYTHING IN HIS LIFE. His 4 years as President will not only be the LONGEST job he's ever had, it will also be the ONLY job he's ever had where he was in charge of something. He is a junior Senator with approximately 143 days of active Senate office time (the rest of his three years of official Senate service were running for President.) He also managed to write two books when he got ready to run for President and and yet never wrote ONE SINGLE piece of legaslation as a Senator. What. a. joke. Again, way to go America. P.S. And then there’s the issue of Obama having never been in charge of ANYTHING IN HIS LIFE. His 4 years as President will not only be the LONGEST job he’s ever had, it will also be the ONLY job he’s ever had where he was in charge of something. He is a junior Senator with approximately 143 days of active Senate office time (the rest of his three years of official Senate service were running for President.)

He also managed to write two books when he got ready to run for President and and yet never wrote ONE SINGLE piece of legaslation as a Senator.

What. a. joke.

Again, way to go America.

]]> By: javabeans http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/11/open-thread-election-style/comment-page-4/#comment-70729 javabeans Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:23:32 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=3188#comment-70729 Butterfly, i believe that is misinformation: "A Washington Times editorial falsely claimed that Sen. Barack Obama "argu[ed] cold-bloodedly on the Illinois Senate floor that babies who survive botched late-term abortions should not be considered 'persons'... In fact, he was not discussing "late-term abortions" in the remarks the editorial highlighted; Obama was asserting that the bill in question, which was not limited to late-term abortions, would "essentially bar abortions." " http://mediamatters.org/items/200802050010 Butterfly, i believe that is misinformation:
“A Washington Times editorial falsely claimed that Sen. Barack Obama “argu[ed] cold-bloodedly on the Illinois Senate floor that babies who survive botched late-term abortions should not be considered ‘persons’… In fact, he was not discussing “late-term abortions” in the remarks the editorial highlighted; Obama was asserting that the bill in question, which was not limited to late-term abortions, would “essentially bar abortions.” ”
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802050010

]]> By: Butterfly http://www.dramabeans.com/2008/11/open-thread-election-style/comment-page-4/#comment-70728 Butterfly Sat, 08 Nov 2008 19:19:03 +0000 http://www.dramabeans.com/?p=3188#comment-70728 He supports infanticide and that makes him a monster. I don't care if you are a Dem or Repub, pro-choice or pro-life. The man voted THREE times against "the born alive act" which means he voted THREE times IN FAVOR of babies born as a result of a failed abortion to JUST DIE. His comment on this issue was that if a woman goes in for a late-term abortion and the abortion fails, she should not be "burdened" with a baby she didn't want. So Obama voted THREE times against this act. And yet millions and millions of Americans chose to ignore this information which was openly and readily available to the public. We are talking about human babies BORN ALIVE. Way to go, America. He supports infanticide and that makes him a monster. I don’t care if you are a Dem or Repub, pro-choice or pro-life. The man voted THREE times against “the born alive act” which means he voted THREE times IN FAVOR of babies born as a result of a failed abortion to JUST DIE. His comment on this issue was that if a woman goes in for a late-term abortion and the abortion fails, she should not be “burdened” with a baby she didn’t want. So Obama voted THREE times against this act. And yet millions and millions of Americans chose to ignore this information which was openly and readily available to the public. We are talking about human babies BORN ALIVE.

Way to go, America.

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