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	<title>Comments on: Point-counterpoint: Pursuing beauty in 200 Pound Beauty</title>
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		<title>By: dbsklove</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbsklove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 13:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OKAY THANK GOD. I thought I was the only one who watched the movie just for entertainment/enjoyment whatever you call it.
HAHA plus joo jin mo &lt;3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OKAY THANK GOD. I thought I was the only one who watched the movie just for entertainment/enjoyment whatever you call it.<br />
HAHA plus joo jin mo &lt;3</p>
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		<title>By: Eunyoung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eunyoung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2012 03:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Above, the ending scene was criticized quite a bit. to me,  although the logic behind the other girl asking for plastic surgery may have been messed, I just kind o understood that the ending wasn&#039;t meant for the viewers to examine it. It was meant for lightheartedness, just an interesting way to see parallel experiences of the two women who got plastic surgery. The viewer was meant to be left with a knowing feeling, as the viewer had already seen Kim ah jung&#039;s experiences with plastic surgery. Also, it was comedic how the sugreon&#039;s awkward personality came out as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Above, the ending scene was criticized quite a bit. to me,  although the logic behind the other girl asking for plastic surgery may have been messed, I just kind o understood that the ending wasn&#8217;t meant for the viewers to examine it. It was meant for lightheartedness, just an interesting way to see parallel experiences of the two women who got plastic surgery. The viewer was meant to be left with a knowing feeling, as the viewer had already seen Kim ah jung&#8217;s experiences with plastic surgery. Also, it was comedic how the sugreon&#8217;s awkward personality came out as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Menci Ang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Menci Ang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 19:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to this debate here I got curious and finally watched the debated film.  So, what message did I get?   That with or without plastic surgery one can never be happy unless one is true to oneself and to the people in one&#039;s life.  (People who accept you.. will accept you regardless.)

What message did I get from the last scene?  That regardless of how much you point out that plastic surgery may not be the solution to one&#039;s unhappiness/discontent in life, there will always be people who would not understand.

Some people cannot see past the end their nose!

Thank you, Javabeans for this forum.

P.S.  samsooki, as always you did not disappoint me.  Well done!  Congratulations, too, to catburt28 at comment 113 for your well-written, informative and convincing piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to this debate here I got curious and finally watched the debated film.  So, what message did I get?   That with or without plastic surgery one can never be happy unless one is true to oneself and to the people in one&#8217;s life.  (People who accept you.. will accept you regardless.)</p>
<p>What message did I get from the last scene?  That regardless of how much you point out that plastic surgery may not be the solution to one&#8217;s unhappiness/discontent in life, there will always be people who would not understand.</p>
<p>Some people cannot see past the end their nose!</p>
<p>Thank you, Javabeans for this forum.</p>
<p>P.S.  samsooki, as always you did not disappoint me.  Well done!  Congratulations, too, to catburt28 at comment 113 for your well-written, informative and convincing piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Menci Ang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Menci Ang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@catburt28,  thank you for saying your piece.  I hope many have read and been enlightened by it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@catburt28,  thank you for saying your piece.  I hope many have read and been enlightened by it.</p>
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		<title>By: haruku</title>
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		<dc:creator>haruku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the general consensus here is that the problem lies with the movie&#039;s message, not the movie&#039;s plot line itself. The story is so compelling---we have this &quot;underdog&quot; main girl character who everybody looks down upon and eventually changes herself to become a star. 

I personally found it easy to empathize with why the main character did what she did. She wanted to change to pursue her happiness. In this case, her happiness was in the form of achieving love(and/or success). I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything wrong with this. If she wants to pursue her happiness, then this is a perfectly valid decision(even if she wants to pursue it through plastic surgery). 

I guess the main problem for me here is that I&#039;m a little disturbed by the ending of the movie. It seems to say that...plastic surgery is the answer. It feels like it&#039;s saying conform to the standard for beauty(thin, skinny, etc.) and you will be happy. That&#039;s the part that disturbs me, that it seems like you won&#039;t be happy unless you&#039;re the skinniest(and in effect, the prettiest?...as well as the most plastic person ever). 

I find that message to be super disturbing because there are so many role models out there that show us otherwise. And even though a lot of us watching the movie can distinguish between reality and fiction, it&#039;s still affecting us in some way. We&#039;re still seeing the message even if we&#039;re not conscious of it, and to have people watch this movie and accept this message is just...insidious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the general consensus here is that the problem lies with the movie&#8217;s message, not the movie&#8217;s plot line itself. The story is so compelling&#8212;we have this &#8220;underdog&#8221; main girl character who everybody looks down upon and eventually changes herself to become a star. </p>
<p>I personally found it easy to empathize with why the main character did what she did. She wanted to change to pursue her happiness. In this case, her happiness was in the form of achieving love(and/or success). I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything wrong with this. If she wants to pursue her happiness, then this is a perfectly valid decision(even if she wants to pursue it through plastic surgery). </p>
<p>I guess the main problem for me here is that I&#8217;m a little disturbed by the ending of the movie. It seems to say that&#8230;plastic surgery is the answer. It feels like it&#8217;s saying conform to the standard for beauty(thin, skinny, etc.) and you will be happy. That&#8217;s the part that disturbs me, that it seems like you won&#8217;t be happy unless you&#8217;re the skinniest(and in effect, the prettiest?&#8230;as well as the most plastic person ever). </p>
<p>I find that message to be super disturbing because there are so many role models out there that show us otherwise. And even though a lot of us watching the movie can distinguish between reality and fiction, it&#8217;s still affecting us in some way. We&#8217;re still seeing the message even if we&#8217;re not conscious of it, and to have people watch this movie and accept this message is just&#8230;insidious.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2011 02:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a very long conversation those two had... I have to agree with Samsooki on this one. And I also have to agree with the movie - this movie shows reality for what it is. You&#039;re treated a lot better if you&#039;re thin &amp; pretty - more opportunities come your way, you have an easier time in romance. 

I&#039;ve never been a fat woman so I can&#039;t say it&#039;s all true from experience - but I do have bigger friends &amp; I&#039;ve seen a few nasty things happening to them. And they fell in the &#039;pleasantly plump&#039; category. NOT in the grossly obese category like Hanna at the beginning. So I can only imagine the bs a 200-lb woman would go through in a place like Korea where everyone is tiny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a very long conversation those two had&#8230; I have to agree with Samsooki on this one. And I also have to agree with the movie &#8211; this movie shows reality for what it is. You&#8217;re treated a lot better if you&#8217;re thin &amp; pretty &#8211; more opportunities come your way, you have an easier time in romance. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been a fat woman so I can&#8217;t say it&#8217;s all true from experience &#8211; but I do have bigger friends &amp; I&#8217;ve seen a few nasty things happening to them. And they fell in the &#8216;pleasantly plump&#8217; category. NOT in the grossly obese category like Hanna at the beginning. So I can only imagine the bs a 200-lb woman would go through in a place like Korea where everyone is tiny.</p>
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		<title>By: cindy w</title>
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		<dc:creator>cindy w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2011 18:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it portrayed a true issue of society: How people interact differently with people due to their appearance. They made a dramatic comedy about it. I don&#039;t thik it was meant to encourage hatred towards overweight people. I think it just documented something that could happen. there is also a movie called : to be fat like me. Its a tv movie in wich a athletic and popular girl goes undercover as a fat girl in her high school for  a documentry project. There again it showed the same type of things 200 pound beauty showed. So that&#039;s my opinion it wasnt a mean movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it portrayed a true issue of society: How people interact differently with people due to their appearance. They made a dramatic comedy about it. I don&#8217;t thik it was meant to encourage hatred towards overweight people. I think it just documented something that could happen. there is also a movie called : to be fat like me. Its a tv movie in wich a athletic and popular girl goes undercover as a fat girl in her high school for  a documentry project. There again it showed the same type of things 200 pound beauty showed. So that&#8217;s my opinion it wasnt a mean movie.</p>
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		<title>By: scarecrowslady</title>
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		<dc:creator>scarecrowslady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who made it a rule that women should remove “unsightly” facial hair or shave under their armpits? Who thought it would be a good idea to wear corsets? Who started the trend of wearing cosmetics?&quot;

I think the movie isn&#039;t bad as much as it is sad. Because she sells out and buys into society around her. You are right, we should be looking at society. It&#039;s interesting because in China right now, women are just starting to get with shaving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who made it a rule that women should remove “unsightly” facial hair or shave under their armpits? Who thought it would be a good idea to wear corsets? Who started the trend of wearing cosmetics?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the movie isn&#8217;t bad as much as it is sad. Because she sells out and buys into society around her. You are right, we should be looking at society. It&#8217;s interesting because in China right now, women are just starting to get with shaving.</p>
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		<title>By: scarecrowslady</title>
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		<dc:creator>scarecrowslady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my favourite Japanese singers has a huge snozz, and some people might be like... &quot;Get that fixed!&quot; Thank God he&#039;s intelligent and does his own thing. 

For me, I can&#039;t get into actors and actresses as much, I think, because so often, the media defines their identity - I mean... It is rare for them to say what they believe in film. I can get behind and look beyond looks for singers because top quality ones write what is in their hearts, what they are thinking about... and a rare handful talk about deep things in life. 

I wonder why tho&#039; we are all so attracted to the beautiful?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my favourite Japanese singers has a huge snozz, and some people might be like&#8230; &#8220;Get that fixed!&#8221; Thank God he&#8217;s intelligent and does his own thing. </p>
<p>For me, I can&#8217;t get into actors and actresses as much, I think, because so often, the media defines their identity &#8211; I mean&#8230; It is rare for them to say what they believe in film. I can get behind and look beyond looks for singers because top quality ones write what is in their hearts, what they are thinking about&#8230; and a rare handful talk about deep things in life. </p>
<p>I wonder why tho&#8217; we are all so attracted to the beautiful?</p>
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		<title>By: scarecrowslady</title>
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		<dc:creator>scarecrowslady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;i’m glad i’m not the only who felt this way. there’s still hope! while i did completely attack the film, realize that i DO understand that it’s just that: a film. and films/media are meant for entertainment. i know. but they also have a tendency to reflect certain ideas/beliefs of our current culture and society, and this along with the seemingly warm and complete embrace of the film by mainstream korean society was what deeply disturbed and saddened me. &quot;

Exactly. I don&#039;t think we can blame the film - but we need to look behind it to a society that is incredibly looks focused - not just for women too. I remember vague Jang Geon-suk being called fat once... and I tutored 3-4 Korean families whilst living in Asia and they are very much about looking at externals. NA isn&#039;t much better though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;i’m glad i’m not the only who felt this way. there’s still hope! while i did completely attack the film, realize that i DO understand that it’s just that: a film. and films/media are meant for entertainment. i know. but they also have a tendency to reflect certain ideas/beliefs of our current culture and society, and this along with the seemingly warm and complete embrace of the film by mainstream korean society was what deeply disturbed and saddened me. &#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly. I don&#8217;t think we can blame the film &#8211; but we need to look behind it to a society that is incredibly looks focused &#8211; not just for women too. I remember vague Jang Geon-suk being called fat once&#8230; and I tutored 3-4 Korean families whilst living in Asia and they are very much about looking at externals. NA isn&#8217;t much better though.</p>
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