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Open Thread #82
by | May 8, 2009 | 230 Comments


I happened to think of Cibo Matto this week, which made me think of how much I loved their video for this song, “Sugar Water,” which has got to be one of Michel Gondry’s masterworks. You don’t really understand what’s happening until halfway through, but when you do, it’s like mind = blown.


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230 Comments from the Beanut Gallery
  1. crzycpl

    Been a weird weather day here in London. Bouts of rain and now sunshine. Heard Lee Min-ho might be in town for a photo shoot. Hope it’s not outdoors ๐Ÿ™‚

    Have finally finished Cain & Abel. Not sure what to make of the ending. All I know is that I don’t need to watch it again.

    Have been enjoying Job Well Done. I really like the two main characters.

    Have a good weekend all. ๐Ÿ™‚

  2. mishane

    Cibo Matta is amazing. I will always remember ‘Sugar Water’ from that Buffy episode. It’s a also a really sexy song that I’ve yet to play during my ‘sexytimes’. But it is on my ‘sexytimes’ soundtrack.

  3. mishane

    I got my plane ticket to Spain!

    So excited. I haven’t been there since I was 16 and I didn’t really appreciate the sights then so I’m definitely planning to take advantage of my camera (dirty, dirty!) and snapping lots of pics. It sad that I’ll only be there for a week though. ๐Ÿ™

    How’s everyone doing? I don’t have any interesting or thought provoking questions this week so hopefully someone brings one up and I can watch the comments fly by!

  4. hjkomo

    Love Michel Gondry’s videos. The one with the choreographed dancing of different people acting as different instruments (can’t remember the title) is cool, too. Kids are fascinated by it.

    Mmm…home-roasted Yemen….now I can start waking up.

  5. spuf

    Just completed my registration for the Fall semester. One of my courses is being taught by a reputable ass, but it works wonderfully in my schedule so I’m not quick to complain just yet.


    Enjoy Spain. I hear it’s lovely.

  6. Anonymous

    Does anyone know whatever happened to the second installment of the Boys over flower’s 5 years later thing?

  7. mems

    Damn…it’s already Friday? My mind is still stuck in those 200+ posts of the last Open Thread….

  8. mishane

    Being skinny + Coffee overdose + Cold office = me shivering like a crack addict.

    Not cool, office, not cool. Turn the heat on! I can barely type!

  9. Samsooki

    We’re watching Dal Ja’s Spring right now.

    We are watching it slowly because my wife falls asleep around 11 p.m. now, which means we can only watch a maximum of two episodes per weekday night. That means that it will take 2 weeks to finish this drama or thereabouts. We are watching it slowly because wife really likes it and doesn’t like it when I fast forward through scenes. I like it too, but the story is not told from a gender-neutral standpoint and I feel a little bit like I’m being criticized as I watch it.

    I am watching Temptation of Wife, sitting on the edge of the bed, after my wife goes to sleep. This story, although it is about a woman seeking cold revenge for the tragedies of her life that were caused by malicious and evil people, I feel like this story IS told from a gender-neutral standpoint. Even though one of the two very worst people in Temptation of Wife is a guy, I never feel like the guy is the problem. It is his awful character, his selfishness, his cowardice, his maliciousness, his pride and greed, that are the problems. And you can be male or female and be evil.

    But with Dal Ja’s Spring, I have the feeling that I am being targeted, and when my wife says, “I really like this show,” then does part of her like it because she agrees with the drama’s indirect criticism of… me?

    I will think on this a bit more, but Dal Ja’s Spring, as good as it is, is a little bit subversive, and somehow I feel like I am being made to be the scapegoat.

  10. 10 a.lice!:D

    where do you get the music player? o.o

  11. 11 b020

    Yay – happy friday everyone!!!!

    Dbeans – thank you so much for the love for Cibo Matto!!! I was first introduced to them in the first epidsode of season 2’s BtVS. I had to know who was singing at the Bronze and was blown away when I heard more stuff from them. Like all the great bands that I like, they’ve since disbanded:-(

    As for drama’s – I was wondering. I have a large collection of Eng. subbed drama’s that I’ve purchased(the k-family video store that I buy them from actually just sell burned copies from the original box set) and I was wondering if anyone would be interested in exchanging?

  12. 12 stella

    hey everyone, happy friday. im excited for this weekend. tomo is the korean music festival @ the hollywood bowl which I will be going to for the first time. hopefully it will be good times. then its mother’s day when all restaurants will be crazy busy. hahah looking forward to it.

  13. 13 heejung

    oh yeahh FRIDAY!! i plan on blowing my [read: my mom’s] money on clothes tomorrow. ap test week is OVER. but the sad truth is that i have two korean tests, a physics test, and a major english test all within the first three days after the weekend. and i think i failed both my ap tests.

    but i’m going shopping tomorrow!!! YAY

    and that was one cool video… am still untwisting my pretzeled mind.

  14. 14 invisibelle

    Amazing video. I’ve actually never heard much of Cibo Matto’s more chilled-out type stuff, I like it.

  15. 15 ames

    i must be dumb cuz i did not understand what was happening…

  16. 16 shinhyesungluv

    I watched the mv, but I still can’t understand what’s going. I know that one side is going forward and the other is going backward, but what’s the meaning of that? Can anyone explain?

  17. 17 Samsooki

    @15, @16 –

    The video is a dream told like a palindrome (you can watch it going forwards or backwards), working from both sides.

    Basically, you can watch the story unfold from either point of view. Don’t watch them both at the same time. Watch one story, and then go back to the beginning of the video and watch the other story. That should give you a good idea of what’s going on.

    One showers with water, the other showers with sugar.

  18. 18 mishane

    Something I was wondering about today:

    Is there a preference between a j-drama or k-drama (or a tw-drama)?

    Is there something you get out of one that you don’t get out of the other?

    I know that if I want heaver substance, more angsty I usually turn to kdrama.

    If I want something cracky and light and fun, I turn to a jdrama. I haven’t yet watched a jdrama that is angsty though.

    The production style is the same to me (one reason I can’t watch tw-drama’s that much is because their production is usually pretty bad. At least not as good as a k/jdrama).

  19. 19 Nom Kitteh

    Mindy Kaling (writer of and actress in The Office) just inked a 7 figure deal to write, produce, star in her own show. She will also be a comedy writer for other shows as well. I think this is the first time an Indian woman has gotten this kind of mega-deal on American TV!

    I love her joke about online piracy:

  20. 20 budsdiana

    I started watching Kdramas 2005 but not regularly compared to others in this blog. My interest was peeked again when i discovered dramabeans late 2007. Funny thing happened in the office sometime late last year when the global financial crises (GFC) started happening. I work in a hotel and about 20-30% of our market are Korean tourists, specially honeymooners market who always travel wearing matching clothes, the couples I mean. This is quite a funny sight at times because their get-up are sometimes quite tacky. I don’t know why this is prevalent on Korean couples only. My Korean staff usually says when she gets married she will never go on a honeymoon with his future husband wearing matching outfit.

    There is this big Korean travel agency Hana Tours which have a 30 rms daily allotment in our hotel. Whether they have bookings or not, they pay for the rooms every week in advance. Thats not a problem because business was good. When the GFC hits the tourism industry, I noticed that the TA was having a hard time filling up their allotment. So sometimes they sell the rooms locally to other smaller Korean TA and if still they can’t sell enough they just let the Korean guides (illegal no complete working permits) use the rooms instead, at a lost for the TA.

    As part of the hotel’s SOP we need a rooming list on the day of arrival. One time I was getting bored in our daily meetings and I happened to glance at the rooming list of one of the Korean groups. I noticed that half of the names of the “tour members/guests” were names of popular actors/actresses. Ex: Jang Dong Gun was sharing a room with Kim Tae Hee, etc.!! I am sure the Korean guide just invented the names so us to fill-up a rooming list that he can give to the Registration Agent. I was laughing alone and my seatmate was asking (who is clueless about Kdramas) what is so funny.

    Sorry I was rambling, just thought I might share this. They have since not renewed their allotment with the hotel since March of this year, the TA I mean. Business is really bad.

  21. 21 MEIKO**** ^-^

    It’s Friday! and am working!!!! Urg! am supposed to be lounging by now!

    anyway, JAVA-B, Love the song. I havent heard of CobiMatto. Thanks to you, now i got to know. I have been learning so many things (kmusic, kdramas, some other interesting serious issues…) since i started checking out your site! THANK YOU JAVA-B!!! MMMWWAAHHH!

    Am addicted to this site! This is like cup of tea in the morning, afternoon and night. Not to mention my bags of juicy news, humurous ranting and raving (like really LMAO), and sad news…


  22. 22 Jadielaw

    I need some advice please.

    I’m going to start watching the Drama Boys Over Flowers soon.
    I’m really looking forward to it after reading all the hype on this site.

    My question is: which way do you think I’ll enjoy the drama better:
    – to go at a fast pace (4-5 episodes a day)
    – or to take it more slowly (1-2 episodes a day)..

    Thanks in advance ^__^

  23. 23 Peeps

    Yeah! Yet another long weekend!!! Monday’s off from school for me! KaChing!
    Hmm… I’ve been writting a story and have been posting it online for some time now. I wonder if it’s really good at all. Oh wells. I do hope that someone can help me ‘dissect’ it to tell me the good, the bad and what needs to be improved… but… meh.

    Hey! I was actually looking forward to Samsooki’s story telling! Are there anymore, PD Samsooki?

  24. 24 MEIKO**** ^-^


    Jdramas and kdramas, I watch them both. As long as i see that the dramas or movies are interesting, i watch them. Kdramas tend to be more melodramatic than jdrama. Jdrama, seem to be reserved and conservative. But either way, as long as the dramas are good, theyll be on my list to watch.

    Tdramas…., I think i watched 2-3 dramas. They tend to be very long!!!!And tend to prolong the series by doing nonsensical or cheesy scenes over and over again.
    And, I still have to get use to the high-pitch chinese language.Production…. yeah, not really as good…

  25. 25 Peeps

    @22: Fast. With those really crappy parts (Which are quite a bit.) Hey! I just remembered something! BBF is showing in Singapopre this MAY! WooHoo!

  26. 26 Cecee

    tired, it sure has been a very long long greuling week.exhausted. when will there be a break? I guess when I read java’s recaps and blog.

  27. 27 Wasabi

    It’s been hotter these days in southern Cali ๐Ÿ™ But it’s nice ๐Ÿ˜€

    I can’t bring myself to finish Boys Over Flowers. It seems like a chore -.- The show is so draggy (I’m on episode 21).

    I can’t find any updates on when Jaejoong’s (from DBSK) little one episode thing is coming out ๐Ÿ™ Do you know anything about it javabeans?

    Have a good weekend ^.^

  28. 28 MEIKO**** ^-^


    I dont know how your habit of watching kdrama is. If youre having a busy day or night but still want to catch up on your BOF, you can try to watch 1-2 eps. But if youre not busy, why would you limit yourself to a certain number of eps? Are you afraid youre going to get hooked and wont be able to get off from watching?! Hehehe! I think everybody here experiences that, especially if the series is very interesting…

    mmm, you know what, just make sure you dont have something important to do before watching a good kdrama! and oh, make sure you have your yummy snacks and comfy sofa and pillows, and a small soft stuffed toy(just incase you wana throw something at the screen later on)….

    Have fun!!!!

  29. 29 mishane

    @ 24 Meiko

    I agree that Korean dramas tend to be a lot more melodramatic. Also, pretty predictable. I can usually watch 2-3 K-dramas in a row before I get tired of them and then I switch to a J-drama.

    Actually, I try to watch a J-drama as I’m watching a K-drama, so I don’t get overwhelmed by either.

  30. 30 MEIKO**** ^-^


    Really! dont you get confused with the scenes after awhile. I tried doing that a long time ago, and when i was trying to retell the kdrama story, i would now and then make a mistake by putting in some of the jdrama scenes that i was watching at that time too. ^-^ mmmm… but then i have such a bad memory! ^-^

    When the scenes get too heavy, i would usually stop and browse the internet for awhile… like checking up what JavaB has put on her site…..or looking up some music….^-^

  31. 31 b020


    I love jdramas for comedy and mysteries – can’t get enough mystery dramas! Loved Trickx3, Gokusenx3, Mop Girl, etc. They usually hit just the right balance between funny/drama, drama/mystery/resolution and sometimes they hint romance but its not the main focus. I haven’t found a romance jdrama that I can really like, let alone love. Hana Yori, Hana Kimi, all just fell flat to me.

    So, if I’m in the mood for romance/drama/angst, I go Kdrama. The thing about kdramas, they all tend to be very romance focused. And while it can be great, sometimes it falls really really far from great. And the daily dramas tend to be really too idealistic/morally preachy for me. (The last one I watched was High as the Sky/Wide as the Earth and I thought to myself, WTH??? with the Hae Jin being pressured to donate marrow? kidney? to his biobrother by the mother who abandoned him and started a new life without him, or even mentioning him to her new husband. And the bio-uncle was incredibly jackassy!!!)

    I like variety but, unfortunately, kdramas don’t fulfill that. The Devil, Mixed Up Inquiry Agency were two unusual & pleasant exceptions. One of the reasons why I will probably watch Story of a Man is because romance isn’t the main focus.

    As for C-dramas…I admit that I don’t watch them that often because I find the language tones to be difficult to listen to at times. I got through Meteor Garden & Devil Beside You because there was a long stretch of time between the two.

  32. 32 xiahkixiri

    Hey, all! Happy Fridaying! Agree with #1, London weather odder than normal, and that;s saying something. You’re hot then you’re cold, you’re yes then you’re no… I don’t know how to dress!!

    Regarding k/j/tdramas~ too much of one type really does become overdose quite quickly/easily. Usually I watch more kdramas, esp if I want something romantic and cute. Jdramas are a lot more varied and less predictable which is a plus, but I get turned off by the typically dark colour palette, and often they’re too short to get fully immersed in it. And the recent thing about short dramas and then specials later is starting to bug me. Can’t we get closure for the damn series at the end of the series?? I gotta add, sometimes jdramas seem a little too polished. Twdramas are underappreciated~ the bad ones are bad, the good ones are absolutely fantastic. *shakes fist* I can’t believe people don’t like the Chinese tones! They’re so cute and expressive.

  33. 33 b020

    @18 “I havenโ€™t yet watched a jdrama that is angsty though.”

    Though not romantic angsty, these drama’s made me cry:

    Tengoku no Daisuke e
    1 Litre of Tears

  34. 34 mishane

    @ 31 b020

    You wrote a very interesting, spot on comment.

    I still find it strange that I watch k-dramas. When it comes to books, I HATED romantic books. The only thing I ever read as a child and currently was mystery/suspense. I dislike romantic comedies and romance-based movies. So it’s weird that I watch k-dramas.

    –The thing about kdramas, they all tend to be very romance focused.–

    Yes, that’s so true. One of the reasons that I’m also enjoying Story Of A Man, because it’s not only romance focused. It’s part of the story but it gets pushed to the side for the main plot. The problem with romance focused dramas is that there’s only so far you can go. Which is why 16 episodes of pure romance-storyline just becomes. . . boring. I read javabeans recaps of A Stars Lover (without watching the show) and I could understand her frustration with it.

    Another problem with romance focused storylines (and I’ll focus most of this problem on the Korean drama ones) is that the audience knows how it’s going to end up already. I mean, unless it has the angsty feel to it (and the main character dies), usually ALMOST POSITIVELY the main characters will end up together. Which, since there are SO MANY romance k-dramas, if the particular drama isn’t done differently, can just get boring. (Which is why I usually watch a couple of dramas at a time, because I can get bored with watching just a romance drama.)

  35. 35 MEIKO**** ^-^


    “Twdramas are underappreciated~ the bad ones are bad, the good ones are absolutely fantastic. *shakes fist*”

    LOL! Well, i did watch the meteor garden… and i like it… i like vic zhou!!!! I watched two more where he was also in it!

  36. 36 mishane

    As for TW-dramas, I can’t really fit them into a category.

    The first thing I notice about them is the SOMETIMES crappy production budget. Sorry, I’ve been spoiled with shiny TV shows and movies. If I can see the mike or there’s other noises when you speak, I’ll turn it off. That’s the main reason I couldn’t get through MARS or why I won’t watch Meteor Garden. It’s just too much of a distraction.

    And the acting isn’t the best either. There’s a lot of overacting done in some of them and I attribute that to them hiring ‘idols’ instead of actual actors.

    That said, Why Why Love is actually my number 2 favorite drama ever. It was sufficiently shiny, with pretty actors and the awesomest OTP ever.

  37. 37 MEIKO**** ^-^

    @34 mishane

    You are right. But there are quite handful of good non-romance kdrama-movies to watch too. ^-^ mmm… these are some that i have watched: The Devil, Time between a dog and wolf, Fate, Antique, DirtyCarnival, LeGrand Chef, Resurrection, …mmmm..hehe…actually most of them are movies…. but they are the kind that are not really mushy-mushy… you might like to watch some of these, if you havent watched it….

    I also watch Historical dramas, so far, i havent seen any with too heavy(crying, blah here, blah there) or mushy scenes…

  38. 38 thisiswhyi'mbehindonmymastersthesis

    I just picked up two shows, tell me if I should invest, Get Karl! and Spring Waltz?

    i understand…concerning DJS I mean. I watched the show last year and though I am not a guy, I was of the same mindset. Unlike Samsoon, I spent the majority of this show angry at the female lead for being a woman. It reminds me of American TV shows where i always hate the women and love the men. I don’t know what it is but I can never fully identify with them no matter how much I am supposed to.
    Also my friend just watched this show and has decided that TaeBong is her ideal man…something to think about.

    @Story of a Man viewers
    Have you noticed the play on honesty, truth and the genuine in this show? Shin is blunt and to the point and Do-Woo is subtle and straight (but seemingly sneaky). They are characters that tell the truth the majority of the time. The great difference is the nature in which the truth is told. When Shin speaks its abrupt because his candor is rare but genuine, and good natured. In comparison, Do-Woo tells the truth as well and at times with more candor than expected but his delivery of truth is vastly different. Though he’s being honest, whether its with Shin, Jenny, Eun Soo or his dad, you never get the feeling that he’s being truthful. At times you think its a blatant fabrication or a ruse but if you listen, he’s actually relaying facts that are based in reality.(Now of course his character isn’t going to give all he has away but the only person from the list that I believe he purposely deceives [through words, not omissions] is Eun Soo and well…that’s another post!) To me this is something that is the most frightening and interesting about the characters. Makes me need to want watch and fascinates me the layers that are found in this show. An analytical mind’s dream!

    jdrama/ kdrama?
    I usually i agree wholeheartedly but I just watched the first episode of M. Jun’s latest and I don’t think I’m going to be buckling over with laughter. There is no said “angst” but definitely tragedy and trials(emotional and literal). So there are hard hitting dramas in every genre. I think you just have to find them. I find the thing with K-drama is that no matter how funny, light and entertaining it is, there is going to be a sense of melancholy at some point. Something drastically tragic that will have you stunned for an ep or two.

    Think that’s it for now.
    Happy Friday…and praise God my Master’s is complete! I am finally done and ready to chill for (the rest of my life)…ok maybe just the summer:)

  39. 39 jacq

    Friday finally! My last day at my current job. Will be starting a new job on Monday. I’d better get caught up on my k-drama this weekend! I’m behind on Story of a Man but am currently up to date on That Fool (Six Months–so good!), daily drama Two Wives, & weekend drama Beautiful Legacy. I haven’t finished BBF either (just been reading Java’s recaps since ep 12). I decided to pass on City Hall & Cinderella Man. But maybe later when (if) I have free time I might try to watch them too….too may drama, too little time………

  40. 40 MEIKO**** ^-^

    @36 mishane

    “If I can see the mike or thereโ€™s other noises when you speak,… ”

    LMAO!!!! I have seen a few fluffy microphones above the screen and it always made me laugh! And some additional sound effects too! ^-^ funny funny funny!
    But I did watch the series of MARS….hehe!!!

    “Thereโ€™s a lot of overacting done in some of them…”

    and high-pitched voices…sometimes its too much. ^-^

  41. 41 MEIKO**** ^-^


    On Story of A Man…that’s a very good description, and you’re on the right note. ^-^ JavaB also said the similar thing… no wonder this series is interesting….DoWoo…very creepy….

    OK, OFF TO WORK I GO…..Have fun peeps!

  42. 42 xiahkixiri

    @ Meiko/mishane: LOL, am I just oblivious? I don’t think I’ve ever spotted any fluffy mikes!! =p *snigger* Yep, Meiko, I love Vic too, he’s gorrrrgeous. Although, mishane, I am slightly traumatised at the fact that you couldn’t get through Mars, I think it’s amazing. <3 And… I hated Why Why Love! It started off good but I detested it by the end. I know Devil Beside You was more cliched/overacted and whatnot, but I thought it was infinitely better. Not to mention, I adored how quickly they accepted their feelings and just got on with it. But, yeah. My first proper drama, so everything was sooo shiny.

  43. 43 Kender

    Friday already? Wow, it feels like Wednesday. o.o

    My grades for last semester: 3 A’s and a B. I’m really pleased, considering I expended less energy for those four classes than I have in any other semester. Now we’re in May term, so I only have one class to worry about!

    My university has a weird sort of schedule where second semester ends in April, then we devote the month of May to one specific course. There are a lot of random things you can take.. In the past, I took Physics Of Sound and Cross-cultural Communication (US & Japan). This May, I’m taking a course on classical Indian dance. We’re learning the Kuchipudi dance form, which is tons of fun. However, I’ve realized that I’m not very flexible.. There’s no way I can do the half-sit (I think it’s a plie? I’ve never really danced before, so I’m not sure of the terminology) the way my professor can.

    But anyway, we have a performance at the end of the month.. I think we’re doing a performance about Krishna and the gopis, which is good since there’s exactly one guy in the class. I’m really looking forward to wearing my costume and dancing on stage..

    On the subject of dancing, a few friends and I have also decided to make it our personal project for May to master the dance for SNSD’s “Gee” (which is harder than it looks when you have to modify things to accommodate only four dancers). Then we’re probably going to move on to the “Thriller” dance, and then maybe DBSG’s “Mirotic.” We’ve finished learning about a third of “Gee” so far, which is good since we’ve only spent like four hours on it.

    I started watching Brilliant Legacy/Shining Inheritance the other day. It’s pretty adorable, although not very deep at all. (I know this because I could understand most of it even unsubbed, and my command of the language really isn’t that extensive.) I’m still not quite sold on the idea of Lee Seung-gi being Primary Male, though. His character’s fine, but Lee Seung-gi always struck me as the adorable friend rather than leading man material. I am, however, mildly in love with Secondary Male, played rather adorably by Bae Soo Bin. I’ll gladly take him off the main girl’s hands if she doesn’t want him. :3 I’m still waiting to see how the still-living father plays into things, though. (He supposedly died in a fire, but he’s alive and well and is hiding out as a hobo for various reasons. And he totally ran into Secondary Male at a soup kitchen, which I can already tell is going to lead to magical things.)

    Now I have to finish watching Which Star Are You From (one episode left! It’s also a lot better than I was expecting, although nowhere near perfect), 101st Proposal (Lee Moon Shik is adorable!), and Ms Kim’s Million Dollar Quest (which I’ve enjoyed but forgot about during finals week). I’m also downloading Winter Sonata at the moment, just to see what all the fuss is about. There’s got to be some reason all the Japanese housewives became so obsessed with Yoon-sama, right?

    Oh May term.. I love this month so much, you have no idea. So much putzing and drama-watching to do! <3

    And on the subject of Kdramas vs Jdramas.. I prefer Kdramas, because I like the culture more. ๐Ÿ˜ก Also, even though I’ve taken three years of Japanese, I still find Korean easier to understand (with no formal Korean lessons). No idea why. *shrug*

    @ mishane – My (now graduated) roommate’s going to Spain, too! I think she leaves tomorrow, and she and her friend are going to spend a couple of weeks floating around the country. I’m jealous.. I’ve never been anywhere. :/

  44. 44 linz

    I agree with alot of the people talking about TWdramas…

    When the production is too cheap the whole drama just sucks. But the ones that aren’t cheap are actually some of the best dramas I have seen! For example:

    It Started With a Kiss
    Devil Beside You
    Why Why Love

    I love these dramas!!! And everyone have a great Friday ๐Ÿ™‚

  45. 45 mishane

    @ 42 xiahkixiri

    Yeah, I watched the first 4 episodes of MARS but like I said, I couldn’t get through it. I do really think it was a combination of no real interest and the fact that it wasn’t, like I said, shiny, that did it for me.

    You didn’t like Why Why Love? I thought it was SO much better than Devil Beside You. DBY was so cutesy and cliche’d that it annoyed me after a while (however I did a rewatch and I laughed more, it’s pretty cracky). I thought Rainie did so much better in WWL and I absolutely adored the relationship between her and Mike He in that one.

    But I can’t say too many bad things about DBY because if I hadn’t seen that first, then I would never have seen WWL!

  46. 46 AnitaLotti

    Give the new T-drama Black & White a try! I really love it, it’s unlike every other t-drama I have watched. It’s a cocktail of Tango & Cash, new Miami Vice and CSI with a spritzer of mystery/intrigue. And it has Vic Zhou, of course.

  47. 47 Sere

    Ok, gotta ask. Has any of you watched A Frozen Flower? If so, did you like it? And speaking of movies whose plot may be more or less centered around BL, which Kmovie would you rec?

    I asked this because I stumbled upon a few articles written by Huso Yi and…many things about Korean society and homosexuality clicked into place. It’s just so sad! Linkies:

    @mishane Re: Jdorama or Kdramas?
    I watch both (and I even tried a TW… Mars *coughs*) and I like them for different reasons. When I need my fix of romance, I turn to Kdramas…when I look for something a little more diverse, I turn to jdoramas, but all things considered, I really do prefer Kdramas

    PS: My sis is in Spain right now. Wheeeeeeee

    @Sarah. You rock my world! I loooooooove Gondry!
    I think I’ve posted this a number of times, but it never showed up, nor did I get the message saying it was in the moderated queue. So, um, if you do get double posts, sorrysorrysorry!

  48. 48 mishane

    I absolutely LOATHED It Started With A Kiss. And I don’t like saying that because I like to give dramas a chance and I hate giving absolutes.

    But yeah. I couldn’t stand the female character, she got walked all over and for some reason the show/director/writers LOVED showing her as a stupid bumbling girl. I don’t mind female characters who aren’t smart as long as they can stand up for themselves or if they are strong in any way. But she was the weakest female character I’ve ever seen, who only lived for a jackass boy and had no backbone and UGH, I’m sorry I’m ranting but there was nothing redeeming about her character at all. I’ve always gravitated towards strong female characters and she was the opposite from that. I can’t recall one episode where she ever stood up for herself.

    Rant over.

  49. 49 crzycpl

    Always bring a coat and umbrella with you when in London ๐Ÿ™‚

    I haven’t seen Get Karl, but as for Spring Waltz … I don’t know why but I kinda liked this kdrama. It wasn’t great … far from it. But I think what got me was the scenery. It was shot in Vienna, Salzburg (two of my favourite places) and the Korean countryside. I think if you don’t have any expectations, then you can get through it. As always, just ‘look’ at Daniel Henney. ๐Ÿ™‚ And Seo Do-young’s red eye might get a bit distracting but it goes away. ๐Ÿ™‚ There are a lot of bright colours in this show and the white might get a bit blinding … but I think that represents ‘Spring’. Enjoy!

  50. 50 Sere

    @ 38 thisiswhyi’mbehindonmymastersthesis Re: Spring Waltz
    If you manage to get past ep 2, 3 and half of 4, you’re good to go. Goodness gracious, those eps were killers…and not in the good way. Took me like weeks to watch just these 3 cos I could only watch 5 minutes before I dozed off. It’s not a work of art, but I liked it. It’s your typical average kdrama so expect lots of the usual clichรฉs.

    FYI, the music is awesome! the drama let me know and appreciate Yiruma

    @49 crzycpl

    LOL Yes, the red eye. How could I forget? But you know, whenever I saw it, I was like, why didn’t give Seo Do-young time to recover? I felt for him. And thank you, i thought I was the only one who watched this and didn’t hate it instantly.