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		<title>By: the naked truth politics from the heart</title>
		<link>http://www.dramabeans.com/2009/08/ivy-plans-her-big-return/comment-page-1/#comment-436824</link>
		<dc:creator>the naked truth politics from the heart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 04:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ago, a female celebrity secretly filmed while having sex with her boyfriend wouldn’t again be ostracized by the Korean media. Indeed, one can argue that to describe Korean society as simply “sexual-conservative” is [...]</description>
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<p>[...] ago, a female celebrity secretly filmed while having sex with her boyfriend wouldn’t again be ostracized by the Korean media. Indeed, one can argue that to describe Korean society as simply “sexual-conservative” is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Korean Women Extremely Provocatively have sex before marriage; Korea has one of the largest prostitution industries in the world &#171; Malaysia online today</title>
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		<dc:creator>Korean Women Extremely Provocatively have sex before marriage; Korea has one of the largest prostitution industries in the world &#171; Malaysia online today</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2011 04:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ago, a female celebrity secretly filmed while having sex with her boyfriend wouldn’t again be ostracized by the Korean media. Indeed, one can argue that to describe Korean society as simply “sexual-conservative” is [...]</description>
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<p>[...] ago, a female celebrity secretly filmed while having sex with her boyfriend wouldn’t again be ostracized by the Korean media. Indeed, one can argue that to describe Korean society as simply “sexual-conservative” is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lusting After Teenagers&#8230;or the Maturing of Women&#8217;s Fan Culture? &#171; The Grand Narrative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lusting After Teenagers&#8230;or the Maturing of Women&#8217;s Fan Culture? &#171; The Grand Narrative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 04:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fan clubs and so on. Of course that is not always the case, as 2PM&#8217;s fans recently attacking Ivy for having the temerity to arouse&#8230;er&#8230;member Nikhun during a joint performance recently [...]</description>
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<p>[...] fan clubs and so on. Of course that is not always the case, as 2PM&#8217;s fans recently attacking Ivy for having the temerity to arouse&#8230;er&#8230;member Nikhun during a joint performance recently [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Korean Women are Sexually Conservative&#8221; &#171; The Grand Narrative</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Korean Women are Sexually Conservative&#8221; &#171; The Grand Narrative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Just like it is misguided to think of, say, all American voters as mere &#8220;conservatives&#8221; or &#8220;liberals,&#8221; the reality is that Korean society &#8211; nay, any society &#8211; can be both profoundly sexually-liberal in some instances and sexually-conservative in others. For instance: most Koreans have sex before marriage; Korea has one of the largest prostitution industries in the world; Korean teenagers increasingly dance extremely provocatively on television; Korean women are increasingly objectified in advertisements; and, overall, censorship of sexual content in movies is rapidly easing. But by no means does this combination imply that Korean men and women are equally able to express and enjoy their sexuality in 2009, let alone that, like almost a decade ago, a female celebrity secretly filmed while having sex with her boyfriend wouldn&#8217;t again be ostracized by the Korean media. [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Just like it is misguided to think of, say, all American voters as mere &#8220;conservatives&#8221; or &#8220;liberals,&#8221; the reality is that Korean society &#8211; nay, any society &#8211; can be both profoundly sexually-liberal in some instances and sexually-conservative in others. For instance: most Koreans have sex before marriage; Korea has one of the largest prostitution industries in the world; Korean teenagers increasingly dance extremely provocatively on television; Korean women are increasingly objectified in advertisements; and, overall, censorship of sexual content in movies is rapidly easing. But by no means does this combination imply that Korean men and women are equally able to express and enjoy their sexuality in 2009, let alone that, like almost a decade ago, a female celebrity secretly filmed while having sex with her boyfriend wouldn&#8217;t again be ostracized by the Korean media. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Korean Sociological Image #18: Sexualizing Caucasian Women &#171; The Grand Narrative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Korean Sociological Image #18: Sexualizing Caucasian Women &#171; The Grand Narrative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] careers have been ruined simply for having sex with their boyfriends, or even merely being accused of making a Hiltonesque sex [...]</description>
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<p>[...] careers have been ruined simply for having sex with their boyfriends, or even merely being accused of making a Hiltonesque sex [...]</p>
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		<title>By: lala</title>
		<link>http://www.dramabeans.com/2009/08/ivy-plans-her-big-return/comment-page-1/#comment-142232</link>
		<dc:creator>lala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. She could&#039;ve stuck it out and ignored the netizens. I&#039;m still amazed at how much power low-life losers have in Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. She could&#8217;ve stuck it out and ignored the netizens. I&#8217;m still amazed at how much power low-life losers have in Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: peanut butter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peanut butter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not only that but as a korean always hearing what my mom has to say about how things go in korea, koreans are always doing things in extremes. more than being sexist, i figure it more has to do with their inability to think in terms of middle ground. some of the stories i overhear make me think &quot;mob psychology.&quot; maybe that&#039;s why everything is overexaggerated. but that&#039;s just my opinion from what i hear. i haven&#039;t gone to korea myself in years.

as to ivy herself, she can definitely make a good comeback! jumping back and shocking viewers is the best way to prove how good an entertainer is!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not only that but as a korean always hearing what my mom has to say about how things go in korea, koreans are always doing things in extremes. more than being sexist, i figure it more has to do with their inability to think in terms of middle ground. some of the stories i overhear make me think &#8220;mob psychology.&#8221; maybe that&#8217;s why everything is overexaggerated. but that&#8217;s just my opinion from what i hear. i haven&#8217;t gone to korea myself in years.</p>
<p>as to ivy herself, she can definitely make a good comeback! jumping back and shocking viewers is the best way to prove how good an entertainer is!</p>
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		<title>By: haj</title>
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		<dc:creator>haj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, to add, there was the whole wjheesung thing. and wheesung is more popular than her so when he cried about ivy being a cheater, hordes of fans came to his aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, to add, there was the whole wjheesung thing. and wheesung is more popular than her so when he cried about ivy being a cheater, hordes of fans came to his aid.</p>
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		<title>By: Korean Gender Reader: August 10 2009 &#171; The Grand Narrative</title>
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		<dc:creator>Korean Gender Reader: August 10 2009 &#171; The Grand Narrative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ivy&#8217;s (아이비) career on numerous occasions, so rather then link to all of those here see Dramabeans for a succinct summary of both that and how she&#8217;s managed to overcome it recently [...]</description>
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<p>[...] Ivy&#8217;s (아이비) career on numerous occasions, so rather then link to all of those here see Dramabeans for a succinct summary of both that and how she&#8217;s managed to overcome it recently [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Samsooki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samsooki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The power of the... media / internet?

Being in the US, it is difficult to grasp how significant and intergrated the internet is, in Korea.  Proper internet visibility and management of internet trends, rumors and opinion can build or break a career.  I am guessing that management firms probably have full time staffs to promote and defend their property online, but at the same time, I would guess that normal K-netizens are probably by now cynical enough to know the difference between &quot;real&quot; and commercialized posting.  I wonder whether Ivy had the benefit of full support of her management company.

And I wonder if k-netizens (in general) are able to distinguish between facts and opinion though, and whether they care enough to do so.  Just looking at some of the more recent Korean newspaper articles though, it appears that fact and opinion are often interchangeable, so maybe not.

I&#039;ve not heard Ivy&#039;s music, but if she makes it into an interesting drama, it might be worth checking out.  Any person who has been through what she has been through, will have a deep enough well of emotions for a formidable base.  With all of her ups and downs and life experiences, if Ivy has even a normal amount of acting skill, she might explode the screen.</description>
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<p>Being in the US, it is difficult to grasp how significant and intergrated the internet is, in Korea.  Proper internet visibility and management of internet trends, rumors and opinion can build or break a career.  I am guessing that management firms probably have full time staffs to promote and defend their property online, but at the same time, I would guess that normal K-netizens are probably by now cynical enough to know the difference between &#8220;real&#8221; and commercialized posting.  I wonder whether Ivy had the benefit of full support of her management company.</p>
<p>And I wonder if k-netizens (in general) are able to distinguish between facts and opinion though, and whether they care enough to do so.  Just looking at some of the more recent Korean newspaper articles though, it appears that fact and opinion are often interchangeable, so maybe not.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not heard Ivy&#8217;s music, but if she makes it into an interesting drama, it might be worth checking out.  Any person who has been through what she has been through, will have a deep enough well of emotions for a formidable base.  With all of her ups and downs and life experiences, if Ivy has even a normal amount of acting skill, she might explode the screen.</p>
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