Coffee House: Page 9
by javabeans
Oh, it’s good to have Coffee House back. Unfortunately, the four-episode postponement most certainly did set the drama’s ratings back, nearly halving them. It was performing in the 9% to 10% range, but this episode dropped things to a 5.9%. (Giant didn’t have as big a drop — only about 1%, landing at 12.8% — but it did air one episode during the World Cup, while Coffee House did not.) Bummer.
SONG OF THE DAY
T-MAX – “심장이 열 번 뛰기 전에” (Before my heart beats 10 times). As you guys know, I’m not a huge kpop or idol-band fan. But of all the boy bands out there, I have to say that T-MAX is probably my guilty-pleasure favorite; they’ve got hooky melodies and a vaguely old-school kpop flavor that reminds me of groups like Shinhwa. [ Download ]
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PAGE 9 RECAP
After Jin-soo and Eun-young pull back from the kiss, the uncertainty of the moment hangs in the air between them. Jin-soo tries to brush it off, uneasily joking that her birthday gift is a little much, and then asks if this is another attempt to fool Ji-won.
Whatever hope Eun-young may have been harboring in this moment of vulnerability is dashed by his response, and she silently turns away, picks up her umbrella, and walks off.
When it started to rain, Seung-yeon had rushed out with an umbrella, worrying about Jin-soo. Now she finds him walking along in a daze, hardly even registering the pounding rain as he continues to drink from his beer. She attempts to shield him with her umbrella, but he rejects it.
Eun-young returns to the office, where she manages to put on a cheerful smile for her employees’ benefit — they’ve prepared a party to celebrate a new writer contract. As soon as she makes it to the safety of her office, however, she wails in humiliation — what was she thinking? What happens now?
Seung-yeon remains unaware of this development, and runs into Hyun-joo in the building. She explains that she had come in with a cake for Jin-soo, but the Birthday Grinch ordered her to remove all signs of festivity. Hyun-joo invites her to join the office party, then gets the idea to combine both events. Seung-yeon likes this, and decides that she can’t just let Jin-soo’s birthday go uncelebrated after all.
Seung-yeon opens the back door so the publishing house employees can sneak in and grab Jin-soo to escort him forcibly to his own party. I know Seung-yeon’s not the brightest color in the rainbow, so to speak, but you’d think she’d have learned her lesson by now in defying Jin-soo’s direct orders, even when it’s “for his own good” (at least in cases not involving pills and self-hatred). I think she’s lucky this doesn’t backfire her in any great way, ’cause she’s just asking for another Jin-soo smackdown.
This makes for uncomfortable squirming when Jin-soo’s dragged into the gathering. Everyone else assumes that these two ought to be more than happy to party together, given their closeness and all. As if the memory of their kiss weren’t embarrassing enough, comments are made about the kind of present Jin-soo might want, particularly from Eun-young.
The two try to avoid each other’s gazes but are pressured into blowing out the candles together to celebrate both of their days.
Eun-young excuses herself and dashes to the bathroom, where she groans to herself, “Awkward, awkward, oh it’s so awkward!” Jin-soo steps inside with messy cake-smeared hands, and she forces a hearty laugh, trying to play it cool and joking that he got the wrong bathroom. Until he points to the wall — urinal! — to indicate that she’s the one who got the wrong room. Heh.
Trying to think of the best way to deal with this, Eun-young decides that what they need right now is time. And distance. Lots of time and distance. So, she grabs her bag — not noticing that her cell phone is left on the desk — and sneaks out of the office before she’s noticed.
And then runs into him in the elevator, as he also makes his getaway. Awkward! To make things even worse, just as they joke how uncomfortable things would be if the elevator stopped, it stops.
They try pounding on the doors and pushing the alarm button, but no response. Laughing uneasily, they try to pretend this isn’t their idea of a tenth circle of hell and fail miserably at it.
Next door, Ji-won comes back to his office after taking a few days off to cool his head. He’s in a despondent mood, believing his chances with Eun-young to be lost to Jin-soo.
There’s a hilarious moment when he prevents his secretary from opening his blinds. With a tragic air, he gets poetic: “Over the past few months, this window has been the window of memories, reminding me of my beautiful youth. But now… I’ll have to call it the window of hell. What hellish view awaits me once these blinds are opened tonight? I’m afraid to look.”
All the while, his secretary gives him a confused “Whatever, weirdo” look. Finally, Ji-won decides he has to face his demons and orders the blinds opened.
The sight incenses him anew: How dare they party while sending him to stew in his personal hell? Ji-won calls Eun-young’s office and gets Hyun-joo, who explains that Eun-young is currently not in sight. And neither is Jin-soo.
Whatever sultry scenario Ji-won’s imagining, it’s miles away from the embarrassed, stilted conversation Eun-young and Jin-soo are attempting in reality.
Jin-soo muses that the elevator is sorta the same size of the phone booth — does she have some kind of romantic fantasy about catching him alone in these enclosed spaces? That earns him a glare, so he withdraws the statement, but contends that it’s weird that she’s acting so affronted when HE was the one who’d been taken by surprise. His choice of wording raises her hackles, though, because he’s the one who “suffered” her kiss. And she’s all, suffered?!
Eun-young tries to cover up her embarrassment, first laughing it off, then blustering that a kiss takes two participants. Jin-soo counters, “That’s just instinct. And I’m a man.”
Just then, the elevator resumes operation and the doors open, but Eun-young’s not about to let him go on that excuse and grabs him with one hand while jabbing the “door close” button with the other. The doors slide closed just as Seung-yeon, who has come out to look for them, sees them standing together inside. She sees from the display that the elevator stops at the top floor.
Eun-young decides that it’s best to confront this head-on and tells Jin-soo that they ought to stop talking in circles. She starts to speak, but he cuts her off, choosing to speak first:
Jin-soo: “Are you my publisher or my friend? Do you want to make money with me, or have fun? Do you hate me or like me? To me, you only mean one thing, but it seems you always have multiple roles, and it’s too much for me.”
Jin-soo tells her it’s time that they make things clear, just as Eun-young blurts her reply:
Eun-young: “I’m your publisher and your friend. I want to make money with you and have fun with you. I want to kill you out of annoyance, but I like you too. What do you want me to do?”
Jin-soo doesn’t like that answer, and tells her it’s “against the rules” — she has to choose one role and stick with it. Eun-young doesn’t like his response either, which is designed to make things easier on him: “Why am I only allowed to be in the position you designate for me? People can be different things to each other. Don’t relationships change naturally with the times?”
She doesn’t want to be the one always left behind when he pulls his disappearing act, wondering if he’s okay or if he’s dead. She tells him, “I can’t go back to the beginning now. I don’t want to do that, either. You insist that we go back to our original places for your comfort, but now I’m going to act according to my feelings too.”
She adds that she’s a greedy person — on top of those two roles of friend and publisher, she can even add another: “I’m going to be more than that, too. Why can’t I do that?”
That’s tantamount to a declaration, isn’t it? Or at least, it opens the door — which he swiftly closes with a no. “I’ve never thought of you as more than that.”
Eun-young tells him not to lie, not believing that he means it. She thinks he’s shutting her down for the wrong reasons (fear? uncertainty?), and I’m inclined to agree with her. However, he assures her that he’s not lying, and that has the effect of knocking the wind right out of her sails.
Jin-soo repeats that the kiss was just a bodily instinct, and Eun-young now accepts his answer that he only wants her to be a friend. Caustically, she laughs at herself, calling this “the highlight of today’s awkwardness.”
Eun-young manages not to shed any tears as she heads back downstairs, not seeing that their conversation has had a third listener: Seung-yeon, who had followed them up from downstairs.
While Jin-soo is left to brood on the rooftop alone, Seung-yeon trudges out of the building glumly, clutching her balloons. So the romantic chemistry between them wasn’t just a show.
Seung-yeon doesn’t quite understand the reasons behind her reaction, because she hasn’t fully acknowledged that she’s starting to like Jin-soo, so it’s as puzzling as it is depressing.
Passing by a streetside pojangmacha, she sees Ji-won having a drink. Outwardly he laughs and gives her his trademark cheesy salute, but he’s mired in a funk of his own. He talks to Seung-yeon, but the words are directed more at himself as he wonders if this is how Eun-young felt when he cheated on her with Young-mi. If so, he acknowledges that he deserved her anger, and figures he’s earned this feeling. Took him long enough to get it!
At home, Seung-yeon reflects on her mood, wondering if wishing that the couple doesn’t work out is the “normal response” in this situation. She recognizes that a pro ought to be interested in the work, “But why am I only interested in people?” Why is she so bummed out?
She sighs that she must not be qualified; she wasn’t meant for professional success.
Despite her denseness in realizing her feelings, I think Seung-yeon IS aware; she just has a tendency to hide behind her supposed dumb ways as a source of denial. She must be hip to her real reason, because she asks her grandmother if it’s true that Dong-wook really likes her, and wonders if she ought to give it a shot with him.
The party occurred on a Friday, and on Monday, Jin-soo arrives at the book cafe, where he overhears her employees wondering what’s up with Eun-young. She hasn’t come in to work, and nobody knows where she went.
He confirms with Hyun-joo that Eun-young has been gone for the weekend, leaving her cell phone in the office. They’ve checked her home and called around, but haven’t found any trace of her.
Her staff is pretty worried, but Jin-soo has an added reason for concern, thinking back to their rooftop conversation. He spends all day calling her home and trying to get a hold of her, tracking down her various contacts.
Such is his anxiety that I doubt Jin-soo even realizes that their situations have been reversed, for once, and now he’s getting a little taste of what he’s doled out to her for so long.
Ji-won also hears the news and calls the office. He sees Jin-soo through the window and orders Hyun-joo to put him on the line, then rips into him for letting this happen. It’s a little unreasonable to blame Jin-soo for this, but Ji-won’s not acting on reason, and he also believes Jin-soo to be her boyfriend, who therefore has a greater responsibility to make sure she’s okay.
This situation is worrisome because Eun-young has never gone missing before, nor has she purposely remained out of contact. However, Ji-won’s next accusation is particularly cutting: “Why do women always find themselves in these situations around you?”
Ouch, low blow. The words, obviously a not-too-veiled reference to his dead wife, get to Jin-soo. Late that night, he stacks dominoes methodically and keeps calling Eun-young, only to get her voicemail.
Finally, he leaves a message — but as soon as he utters the words, they bring a painful memory back with sharp clarity. They echo the words he’d spoken to his wife Hee-soo, when she’d been out of touch and he’d tried to find her.
The domino tower collapses — symbolism! (Jin-soo resorts to building dominoes when he is at his most stressed, because it’s a way of asserting order from within chaos.) He sits in the dark, stricken at the thought that history might repeat itself.
Meanwhile, things are lighter at the Kang household, where it’s meat-grilling night, Dad’s favorite night of the week. This week they have a special visitor: Dong-wook has been invited, and comes dressed to impress, cleaned up in a suit. This is Seung-yeon’s first move after deciding to give it a try with Dong-wook, and his first activity as her official suitor.
Jin-soo calls Seung-yeon during dinner, explaining the call as mere boredom. She’s surprised, and double-checks the reason for his call. He confirms that he’s “bored to death,” but she can’t quite shake the feeling that something is wrong.
As for the family… I got a big chuckle over the meat-o-go-round, when Dong-wook extends a piece of lettuce-wrapped meat to Seung-yeon. Dad gives him the eye and grabs the piece for himself, then offers a piece to Seung-yeon himself — note how Dong-wook hangs his head so pathetically in the shot above. But when Seung-yeon tries to eat it, Grandma snatches the piece away. And round and round they go. HA.
Back in his apartment, Jin-soo sits in the dark with his pills. He swallows a mouthful, then thinks back to the fateful day several years ago when he and Eun-young had gone everywhere looking for Hee-soo.
She had left him one last, ominous voicemail message, and they’d feared the worst. While he was driving around in their search, a phone call had come — but he couldn’t answer, staring at it in fear. Eun-young had tried to reassure him with hopeful words, but when she answered the phone, she’d been presented with bad news.
Eun-young and Jin-soo had sped to the site of a bad car accident, where Hee-soo’s car had been overturned.
In the following days, Jin-soo had sunk into deep depression, sleeping with the help of a constant diet of pills while listening to her last message:
Hee-soo’s message: “I’m sorry to worry you. I didn’t do it on purpose. Don’t misunderstand. And this… this will be the last time, so don’t be annoyed. You’re doing fine, but why am I not able to do that, stupidly? But you know, you really are mean. You’re too much. You know that, right?”
The wording indicates that she had been having a hard time with life after their separation, and Jin-soo’s ability to move on had hit her particularly hard.
In the morning, Jin-soo is shaken awake. It’s Seung-yeon, here to check on him.
He’s had a rough night but he’s fine now (at least physically speaking), and tries to act like Seung-yeon’s worry is unfounded. She sees the scattered dominoes and pills, but even without those clues she had sensed something was odd — Jin-soo uses “I’m bored” as a euphemism for feeling bad, which is an observation that he’s surprised that she picked up on.
Jin-soo asks Seung-yeon to check his messages for him. It’s like he was in his flashback — he can’t bear to be the one to hear the bad news, and when Seung-yeon picks up the phone, he waits with bated breath. She reports that there’s no message, which is both a relief and a worry. More of a relief, though, and with the worst-case scenario off his mind, Jin-soo suggests breakfast.
As they’re walking, Seung-yeon gets a call on her cell phone, and Jin-soo tenses as she answers it. She doesn’t say anything telling, but he senses that it’s about Eun-young, which she confirms. That was her office, calling to assure that Eun-young has returned to work and is therefore fine.
Not waiting for her to finish speaking, Jin-soo immediately tears down the street, racing for the book cafe at a full sprint. When he gets to the office, he’s drenched in sweat and out of breath. It isn’t until he sees Eun-young through the glass windows that he starts to calm down — she’s conducting a business meeting, looking perfectly fine.
Her employee explains to Jin-soo that Eun-young had taken a weekend trip to Japan to clear her head. She hadn’t even realized that everyone was in a tizzy over her absence, thinking all was fine.
All the while, Jin-soo stares intently at Eun-young through the glass, nearly overwhelmed with relief. I love the look on his face, so loaded with meaning — it’s a look Kang Ji-hwan does particularly well. (And it gets me — Every. Single. Damned. Time.)
When Eun-young catches a glimpse of him, she starts to excuse herself and head out to see him, but he holds up a hand to stop her. He puts on his trademark smile, but now it clashes with the sheen of tears in his eyes.
Trying to act calm, he indicates with a gesture toward the door that he’ll just head back, that there’s no need for her to interrupt her business. Eun-young understands the message and nods, staying in her meeting.
Now sapped of energy, Jin-soo staggers out of the office in a daze, pausing at the threshold as Seung-yeon comes running up, out of breath from chasing him.
Tiredly, Jin-soo suggests they order out instead, and heads back to his place. Trudging along, he misses his footing when he steps on his bottle of pills. His arm reaches to brace himself on the counter, but lands on some supplies instead, and he loses his balance. He collapses to the floor and, in his exhaustion, falls unconscious.
COMMENTS
Several interesting conversations in this episode — namely, the elevator scene and the rooftop scene immediately after. I’m sure most of us would agree that he’s the one who’s being silly for insisting people remain in their clearly delineated boxes, but it’s in character with what we know of him. Jin-soo isn’t stupid enough to think people can only play one role, but this is his coping mechanism, and as we’ve seen with the dominoes and other quirks, Jin-soo tries to enforce a sense of order when he’s feeling vulnerable.
I suspect this is also why he sticks to his wacky plans and extended jokes — because in being erratic and unpredictable, he ensures that he is always the one in control. Control over a situation means control of his feelings and therefore control (or avoidance) of pain.
I’m glad to see that he’s finally seeing how it feels to be on the other side, because it’s true that he’s been a mighty pain to those around him. While it’s hard enough in a professional sense, Eun-young in particular has suffered, but because of her love for him as a friend, she has put up with it, pretty much unconditionally. Jin-soo refuses to play anyone’s game other than his own, but that also means he’s opted out of the Real World Game, too. If he continues this behavior, he might just get locked up in his own world. Furthermore, he may lose his sole link to the real world in Eun-young if he pushes her away one time too many.
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101 Mazzy
June 30, 2010 at 5:32 AM
Have come to the conclusion that JS is a complete idiot jerk! Both girls are fun and lovely and better off finding someone that will appreciate them for their great qualities.
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102 Houstontwin
June 30, 2010 at 7:48 AM
We hear from the message of his ex-wife, that JS was mean and difficult even way back when, before her suicide. While he was clearly traumatized by the suicide and is now a commitment phobe, it seems like he never was capable of a healthy relationship and went into his marriage with psychological baggage.
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103 Lahlita
June 30, 2010 at 8:10 AM
"And as for SY…..I would say any body who hopes for a romance is delutional and crazy."
I take issue with this comment. Am I a supporter of Jin-soo and Seung-yeon? Hell no! In my opinion, Jin-soo doesn't belong with anyone except a therapist, maybe even a medical doctor. He seems really ill. But please let's remember to keep our comments about the show and not about the viewers. No one's opinion is fact, and it's these very differences of opinion which, when aired respectfully, make this blog, its readers and its posters such a rewarding community.
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Now, to talk about this actual show, I just wanted to shallowly chime in with how beautifully Dong-wook cleans up. He can feed me meat any day! And that meat-go-round might have been funniest thing I've seen. I want to move in with Seung-yeon's family, you guys. But only for a few days because I'd end up murdering the lot of them. But for a day or two, I would laugh and eat meat meat meat meat meat to my heart's content. And maybe steal Dong-wook away.
@ 101 Mazzy : I agree with you. Jin-soo doesn't seem to be good for either girl, and they'd both be better off without him. But I'm starting to revise my opinion about it being just because he's a jerk, and more because he seems really, really ill he needs help.
And this episode finally did it. I "felt" Eun-young so hard. When Jin-soo rejected her on that rooftop, the look she gave him.. oh my God. It ripped out my heart and threw it off the building. Then a car ran over it. And then a dog ate it. I swear, I couldn't breathe. And he handled herself so beautiful and with such sad dignity. Oh, Eun-young. The unadulterated adoration that I have for Seung-yeon, I now also have for Eun-young. Both women, Fighting!
Wow, so much to say, although I'm going to wait for the Episode 10 recap to say most of it. But I've really enjoyed everyone's comments, and I'm willing to bet that Javabeans is going to deliver in a BIG way. Heh, no pressure, O Glorious Javabeans.
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104 Dara
June 30, 2010 at 9:31 AM
Don't you dare put fatal illness on JS, the writer, please!
After I've rewatched the show, I 've come to understand JS's behavior a little more. The way he ran like a mad man indicated to me that his feeling for EY is way way beyond what the word ' Love' can be expressed. She is everything in his life, his reason to live and he's holding it all back. The drama showed us many times of JS's emotional scenes where EY is concerned.
Theory: He is truly and madly in love with her from the beginning, even before he got married and always always has this one feeling for her (sth he said on the roof top).He kept his feeling inside for so long until his wife's accident after the divorce, he loss his chance with EY completely. That's why we saw his two faces, love her so much but can't touch her. She is his reason to write so he can be with her all these years. But when EY makes the first move, his wall collapsed.
After ep10, I hope he would let go of EY and start his own life! or he comes to his senses before it's too late.
Again, this is just my own theory and I do love love KJH as JS here, totally amazing, feeling his pain every time he looks at EY when she's not looking.
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105 Hannelora
June 30, 2010 at 10:48 AM
After seeing ep. 10, I am really disappointed JS. He is totally liar. I do not understand why he react like this. Propably the theory from Dara is correct.
I am really superied that he is fired SY. What she is said to EJ is true, why he refused it...I cannot know what he thinks in his mind...
I am EJ & JS shipper, but now I am tired with him. I hope that both EJ and SY will find someone better than he and live happyly without him.
Thinking what EJ suffers, I am also suffer and tired...., not good for my health!
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106 pipit
June 30, 2010 at 10:58 AM
@lahlita
Ah.......I've been wondering whether I'll get this after I posted that comment. Just never thought that it would come from you.
Thanks for giving me the chance to clarify. I was about to let it be the way it was assuming nobody will take it wrongly.
To all SY's supporters:
Please don't get offended that comment is not directed at you at all. It is in a paragragh illustrating the way one should feels when watching CH objectively (what conclusion should be taken: that being JS cares about EY and has no romantic feelings towards SY so far). One here being those with no heavy emotional attachment to kdrama (am I putting my own foot in my mouth again here?....sigh). Let me try to clarify than before I ruffle any more feathers..
The one with no heavy emotional attachment here means the one who watches CH with an 'objectivity' (no preconceive ideas/preferences) that we the kdrama nuts have (did I just do it again?....ahh this is really frustrating!)
Anyway, to all who watch this show. Please feel free to support your favourite couple. I don't feel any hatred towards anybody here that would necessitate me to insult your preference or opinions. This is just a drama! Even when it comes to what really matters in real life I am a very lay back person. I only have very few strong opinions and even that doesn't mean I'll hate and insult those with opposite/differing views from mine. Every one has a right to have an opinion. Be it right or wrong.
And there's definitely no right or wrong here. Why should I tell you to eat hotdog when you don't like it? Why would I call you crazy when you don't like it?
This is going to be my last comment adressing wounded feelings. Personally I think that we shouldn't get offended at all by what other people think or say.
I know that's hard but that's the best course to take.
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107 crystal
June 30, 2010 at 11:28 AM
I am lost within the flashback scene.
In previous episodes it clearly shows Jin-soo and Eun-young traveling in an ambulance with what appears to be Hee-soo but Eun-young's hair is much different in this scene than in ep 9. Or maybe I am seeing it wrong?
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108 firsttimenewbie
June 30, 2010 at 11:31 AM
I still don't hate JS. The only time I thought "jerk" was that comment in that elevator on whether she set it up. But after thinking, it may have been way of joking and getting out of the awkwardness. But still that was very jerkish of him, and way out of line. Other than that, I understood his reactions in both episode 9 and 10.
Also, @pipit 61, JS never denied that he loved her. I do think he very much loves her. I just do believe him that he never thought of her in a romantic possibility or way. That's what he was saying on the rooftop. Not that he doesn't care for her.
I've been saying this since the beginning. I don't think he liked her 10 years ago. I think that flashback he had at the theater was a parallel to that current situation then. EY herself said in episode 10 what their relationship was for a good number of years. But we'll get to that in episode 10.
I agree with all the comments @amg has been making. This is a relationship that *shouldn't* cross into them being a romantic couple.
Anyway, he loves her but not as a lover. He had flashbacks of his situation of his wife. Of COURSE he would run to see her and make sure she's okay. And be overwhelmed with emotion. It is very possible for deep emotions to be there without romantic longing.
I think the idea of EY and his being romantic was put in his head by JW in the first place. Before that he never thought of it. And even afterwards, he showed how much deeply he cared and loved her. But he himself didn't ever consider it. He is selfish in that he doesn't want to lose her and what he has now. And once he realized that EY herself was seriously wondering about them, he became affected. But even then, he still refused to consider it. Even though he knew he he has deep feelings for her.
But he knows it shouldn't become romantic.
I think that kiss was more than a male reaction. It was all of the feelings and emotions that he had been experiencing the past few episodes.
That still doesn't mean he's in love with her. I don't think he is. I think he's never considered it a possibility. And when the issue came up, he refuses dealt with it as far as he could go without crossing that line. The line as crossed with the kiss, but for him that it is important to uncross, and not cross any further.
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109 firsttimenewbie
June 30, 2010 at 11:41 AM
Also a few observations from ep 9
JW said to Jinsoo that he put them together so they could help each other, and he thought it would be a beneficial relationship.
What exactly is he referring to?
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The different outfits and hairstyle in the memories. I think it makes sense. We don't remember the exact details. And the same things. Also, it might also hint that while EY recognizes her changes between the years. Jin Soo's memory shows EY as he currently sees her. This is not unusual in memories. If we see the same person all the time, our memories won't necessarily have their exact look of theirs back then if it's not an important factor for the memory. She is not the main topic of his memory.
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SY's crush has been gone by episode 9. She heard that conversation, and while she is feeling down and conflicted. She realizes that JinSoo turned down "someone as great as Chief Seo" and Jinsoo has "too much pride." She wonders if it's normal to feel glad it didn't work out, but at the same time says she is also feeling bad (not only for herself, but presumably for EY and JS as well.)
I think she cares for him and somewhat still likes him. But that crush is gone.
And on the topic of SY, someone said she is a doormat because she went up 20 floors to spy on their convo. She didn't go up their to spy on them. She most likely went up there to catch them and bring them back.
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110 Kay
June 30, 2010 at 12:23 PM
@ letture: Oh, hi there,
I may repeat this again when JB recap the next ep, but let's me share some of my thoughts here:
After watching ep 10 several times, and reading all the analysises on Soompi, I came to understand JS reasons a bit more. He has his own traumas that he seems to never be able to let them go for once or ever, so he had his own way make things work for him...
At thei point, I am sure there are more to JS story, beside his wife death. We only need to wait until the drama reveals all his "past". Howver, after ep 10, like I already said, even though I understood his action a bit better, he can't really redeem himself for me again ( rather It 'd take a lot of work for him to do it!!!!). I love SY and EY even more . They are both wonderful and deserve happy and healthy romantic relationship, which JF seems fail to do that.
I dont know (and really want to know) where then PD heading JS to. Yet, at this very moment, (put my shipping heart on aside), I just want EY to be happy and able to smile every single day in her life. She is too great to be miserable for a mean jerk , you know? Hopefylly, she could completely moves on from JS, and meets a much better, more grounded gentleman who loves her more than anything in his life and has the ability to protect and make her smile AGAIN. As for SY, JS has taught her enough to survive in any other professional jobs and she should be happy with DW, who just is adorable and so into her.
It's a relief that JS did what he did to both of the ladies, now that I think of it. They'd better off leaving him as he wish. No, I am not being harsh on JS! I love the guy ( Who wont ? with KJH charm?) but that how I see it realisticaly, unless JS 's going to prove me wrong - and that he's totaly worthy guy who able to bring someone else happyness. Because no matter what reason I try to give him, at the bottom line, JS still surfaces as A SELFISH, COWARD, MEAN FREAK, IDIDOT JERK, for all his actions!!! (Dont hate me!!! KJH did a great job for it)
I really hope he cam change to better person at some point so he could breath easier and enjoy his life as it' worthy. However, I am not sure if I am willing to risk our beloved EY heart for him once again? She is too prescious!!!
And he lost my trust!!!
Thank you for listening to my rant!
I 'm very disappointed!!! *sigh**
However , what I really worry the most right now is PSY matter regarding to PYH 's news. I have read serveral articles and it makes me even more worry as I remember how close they were back in Switzerland strip. And it's not helping that she just talked to him the day before. She must feel guilty and miserable right now with the sudden huge lost, that she couldnt stop crying.
As much as I believe how professional a person could be, but there are certain break-down ones couldnt avoid ( which I hope it wouldnt be the case for PSY here). Hopfully ,CH casts and crews will be able to comfort and cheer her up as well as give her enough time to be able to recover, so that she can continue the role and story line without a change
Oh, and I am not being selfish nor I care for her well-being here either
It's only a drama..., after all!!! Her happiness is much more important.
However, from my POV, this role may change the rest of her career for good, as we were amazed how well she has been portraiting SEY, and slowly but surely falling for her charm . CH has def. changed viewers mind set about her previous image, her abilitity and talent as well as their atittude toward her. Morover, SEY also got her so much love and support from the international fans as I acknowleged
If she dropped it now, I think it 's such a pity for her...
And it'd be a disappointment from the PD, who entrusted her so much for the role ^^ as well
All the best to PSy and PYH family and friends
Be strong!
PSY fighting!!!
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111 Kay
June 30, 2010 at 12:45 PM
Or I'd withdraw all I said if JS is seriously physically ill.
Because it'd make more sense that way too ^^;;
And I could like him again!!!
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112 Hannelora
June 30, 2010 at 1:35 PM
I also worried for PSY. But I think that working is better medicine to recover her mood. Moreover, she is a professional actress. Therefore, I think that she may recover after somedays and will continue to work. But surely it is not easy to smile and act happy in the film as before.
But I believe that she will be strong, and continue shooting.
I also hope that the story will be flowed as it will be as the writer and director planed.
In this drama, both EJ and JS are miserable, especially EJ. I hope that every one will be happy, and it is not important for me now if she now ends up to JS anymore. For me, if she is happy, we are happy. It is enough. I do not care JS...
Honestly, if the drama chooses the couple JS & SY, I do not satisfy at all. Why? I do not hate SY, because I also the one to expect her happiness. But the love emerging in the short time cannot be solved the problem right now. JS cannot forget the past, the problem between him and EY cannot end...By this way, he seems that to choose which way is easy to go, who can confort him, avoiding the difficulty.., but the root is not resolved.
It is better if he solves himself, and re-thinks everything to due with his life.
I hope that he can get up soon...
EJ and SY deserve happy, especially EJ, who carries a lot of pain and burden, but not cry....
Hope that PSY will be strong as her leading role in this film to overcome her sadness now, and come soon to shooting.
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113 labchick
June 30, 2010 at 1:39 PM
Wow..just with any episode I love reading everyone's comments..only shows how each person's point of view is different.
Personally I think the flashbacks highlight one important fact -- one of their memories is wrong. Whether it's EY's or JS' is anyone's guess!
@firsttimenewbie
I agree with you that JS has never seen EY romantically. He either isn't ready for that or maybe he doesn't want to cross that line. To me his feelings for EY reflect his feelings for his ex-wife. And I definitely don't think JS is sick..that would be pointless after all this time of setting up the situation. I think these last three episode - 7, 8, and 9 reflect the complexity of their relationship. And I think he fired SY since it threatened to damage his existing relationship with EY. If SY hadn't interfered then they could have eventually gone back to pretending nothing was wrong. JS would have put off breaking the contract forever. I think he fired her since he was disappointed that she didn't trust him to do the right thing.
@pipit
yes, thus far we haven't seen JS lean romantically towards SY but I do think if the writers were to pursue that option they would do so by 11. I think episode 10 gave them the perfect opportunity for it.
Personally I thought episode 10 was amazing, since it brought us back to square 1 or rather episode 1 when we still didn't know which way the story was headed. I don't see why everyone thinks he's being particularly mean to EY- she should've expected it, I thought she knew him better than anyone else. As for SY, yes his comments were hurtful but I'm sure she can get someone else to hire her. And let's be honest, especially the people who think JS disrespected her. No one is super nice to their assistants or their interns. That being said, I think SY is truly adorable- c'mon she even tried to make them up although it was because she thought they were in love..
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114 dramacafe
June 30, 2010 at 1:56 PM
Thanks JB for the recaps. I read your recaps first while waiting for all 6 parts of EP9 to load in viikii. :)
I loved this episode despite the harshness that JS showed towards EY in that rooftop scene.
His immediate concern (or some would say guilt) when EY went missing as well as the dash to see EY back kinda made up for it somehow. Plus that priceless expression that he had when EY was about to open the door was just magical for me. At that moment I felt like they were transported into a world all their own because despite having people around them, they had this conversation through their actions and expression which was so simple yet intimate like they (JS/EY) were the only ones there. I so adored that scene that I watched it over and over again!
I truly wish that the writer and PD will give this unconventional couple (JS/EY) a happy ending together!
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115 firsttimenewbie
June 30, 2010 at 2:09 PM
damn the last paragraph in my comment @8 had so many damn typos and incoherency. I'll just clean it up and re post.
That still doesn’t mean he’s in love with her. I don’t think he is. I think he’s never considered it a possibility. And when the issue came up, he dealt with it as far as he could go without crossing that line. The line was crossed with the kiss, but for him it is important to "uncross" or go back behind that line, and not cross any further.
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116 Kay
June 30, 2010 at 2:10 PM
One more thing....
**Sorry !! I feel like I am spaming here!!!**
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Putting my personal feeling and preference on a side, having said what I said, I still not leaving my EUNSOO SHIP ( as JS is the main actor, duh!!! Like I have a choice? ^^;; )
Because if he (EVER) has to be up with someone for the happy ending' sake, It's still 100% Eunsoo for me.
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However if the PD decided to shift the love line to JS-SY after this ep or the 12, I'd feel like a fool and be upset for real. It's not because I dont like JS-SY pairing ( like I said, as long as EY 's happy, I am alrifght now!!!), but it just doent make sense . In fact, it'd be totally OFF!!! We have gone through 10 Eps and despite the fact that SY had a lot of sceen time, most of the romatic momment was focused on Eunsoo interaction. Moreover, I haven't seen any sign of affection from JS toward SY yet. He was rather very harsh on her at the end of the current ep while being a total douche towards EY. But I cant see he acts otherwise. This is the consistency of his charater , which I appreciate even I didnt like the mean of his actions. Thereforce, if the drama suddently shift to SJ -SY ending , I'd find it's ridiculous to believe in the choppy change of characters and the team 'd better give us good logical reasons for it. On the other hands, as we only have the 6 ep left with a lot of unsolved issues and non- answerable questions around Eunsoo relationship, their past , potential future, SY romantic feeling toward JS, JW resolution for Eunsoo romance, and possibly, JS mental illness, etc...- I have a reason to worry that if we are heading to A HAPPY ENDING, perharps?
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There are more to say.... but I' ll save it for the next recap ^^ ( as if I still remebered then!!!)
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117 firsttimenewbie
June 30, 2010 at 2:31 PM
@labchick
since we're discussing 10.
EY did a very, very stupid thing by letting him know that she knew. She really shouldn't have given him that note.
His reactions made perfect sense to me. He is worried (and probably rightly so) that EY will take it the wrong way, and harbor hope of a possible romance. I think EY's reaction with SY pretty much lends credence to this.
And yes, I agree that the main reason he fired SY because she has ruined it. She messed up that dynamic. She didn't just threaten to damage his existing relationship. In fact, his relationship with EY was already damaged. It's just by her letting EY know, she has made the situation worse. For EY right now, EY is grateful. EY already knew he was worried about her. She was just disappointed in his complete non-reaction afterwards. And while it makes sense for her to be happy that his non reaction was because he didn't want her to know about his weakened state. She definitely read more into it, and took more comfort into it that she should have. And he knew that would happen.
He didn't want to terminate the contract. But he didn't want this to be the way to do it. Because, like I said before, EY would be continuing it on some kind of false expectation/hope.
Also, I think it's important that what EY suggested in episode 10 and what JS suggested in episode 8 are two different things. I think JS suggested after the current book, for him to go away for a longer break. But then coming back to the same publisher and continuing to write for her.
She on the other hand, outright called for the termination of the contract as soon as possible, and with no further publishing relationship.
It really is true what her secretary said. She would have to leave him. In the end, she withdraws (comes back) while he accepts (leaves). But overall, she did facilitate it. And she did leave him at first.
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118 firsttimenewbie
June 30, 2010 at 2:41 PM
@16 kay,
I don't think the PD would be shifting the love line to JS/SY. I think the set up has been there all along. Personally, I would rather none of them end up with each other.
SY is obviously not into DW as he is into her.
I think JS/EY has had a not meant to be vibe from pretty much the beginning.
I think the original title "Page One" would be so very appropriate. Pages or chapters in all of their lives. But we'll see.
Anyway, if it does end up with JS/SY (and I do think if he ends up with anyone, it will be SY) it is not out of the blue. There have been indications that allude to that possibility.
By the same token I could say I think it would be off for JS to end up with EY. Because while there have been hints of her feelings for him from the beginning (JW asking why she hasn't dated anyone in two years, then cut to JS)--as I said before everything with JS tells me that he loves and cares for her deeply but not as a romantic partner.
Many reasons for that. But the vibe I've always gotten from them is that they are a pairing that will we are meant to wonder about, but will not become a romantic couple/relationship.
Either way, though. If he does end up with EY, I'll have no problem with it. I just didn't observe the way others did or as I was meant to. That's all.
Same way, if he ends up with SY, I don't think it would be off or out of nowhere. Some people didn't observe the way others did or as they were meant to.
There are not a lot of shows I can say that about. But this is such an amazing, well written, well acted, well directed show.
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119 labchick
June 30, 2010 at 3:54 PM
@17 firsttimenewbie
I think you said it rather well.
To me, the bottom line is JS loves EY but he isn't in love with her. Also I think the kiss from episode 8 ties in well with his general attitude. He's always thought that EY doesn't think of him as a man (he mentions it in 6). Like the ice-cream where he just had to get back at SY, he had to get back at EY. I think he really needs to get the last word/action in. Even in the elevator..that's exactly what he says...well I'm a man. It's sorta like him getting back at her in some perverse way. Besides I really don't see how anyone would react in a similar situation. I wonder if KJH were to press up folks here against a phone booth, how many would actually push him away (sorry JB..you know in your heart it can only be you. I only said it to make a point =P).
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120 sleepy
June 30, 2010 at 4:32 PM
@ firsttimenewbie:
I don't think any of us meant that a JS-SY endgame would be "out of the blue" as it's been a suspected ending since the begining. However, the PD will have to do a INCREDIBLE job to make it a convicing story that doesn't make a sharp turn in the flow of the story. If the drama does indeed only last 16 episodes, we are more than halfway done. In the past 10 episodes, 90% of the "emotional" storyline has focused on JS and EY. And as of episode 10, the JS-EY relationship (whether platonic or romantic) has only been touching the tip of the iceberg in terms of resolution (no Titianic ship reference, please :p). In other words, a good portion of the next 6 episodes will still be dedicated to resolving the JS-EY relationship--whether they will be together or apart. Hence, it does not leave that much time to fully develop a JS-SY relationship considering the rudimentary stage they are in as of the moment. Of course, being 20 episodes might help alittle bit more, but even so, we're already halfway through the story.
In any case, the focus still lies within the pacing of the story telling. While we all know that a mini series can get draggy and slow in the middle parts, the storyline should still flow in the same general direction. Even the needless angst and dragginess of most dramas still focus on the main plot--in the case of romance, between the main couple. This isn't some 50+ episode drama or American series where you have enough time to twist and turn the relationships and plotlines to start going in circles. The storyline needs to be concise due to the limited number of episodes. There's no point on spending the majority of the episodes developing one relationship only to end up with a different one--unless of course, the writer intended to write a TRAGEDY (or thriller as some are suggesting :p).
Again, I'm not saying that a JS-SY endgame is impossible (hell, I wouldn't be such a worry wort for my EunSoo ship if JS-SY was not possible). It's just that given how much of the story we have already progressed through and given attention paid to the JS & EY's relationship, the writer is going to have to pull something major out of his ass to make it a convincing story for JS-SY endgame.
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121 firsttimenewbie
June 30, 2010 at 4:50 PM
@20 sleepy
I agree that there needs to be some major developments for it to end as JS/SY. Truth be told, in my view, all I'm fairly sure (again from my perception) is that JS won't end up with EY. And to a lesser extent that SY won't end up with DW.
I am not disagreeing at all that some huge developments have to come. All I'm saying is that the set up for those developments are already in place, if that makes sense. As things stand right now, could it be possible? No.
But I think a path has been paved throughout these episodes that should they go more into it and develop it more fully, that development they will create wouldn't be out of the blue.
I hope that makes sense. It doesn't actually mean that I'm sure JS will end up with SY. Just that I see that it is possible
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Also, to add to my comments @17. I don't really blame SY or think she did a wrong thing in telling EY. But from JinSoo's perspective his actions make sense, and I don't really hate him or find his actions all that jerk-ish.
I also said it is the "main reason he fired SY." I don't think that is the *only* reason. To go more into that is a bit difficult.
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@labchick, thanks.
While you make a good and valid point about his general attitude and the kiss, I do think his feelings for her played a part in it too. After all, if it were SY who did that, he wouldn't have reacted the same way. But again, like I said, it was a culmination of a lot of things. The fact that he is close with her and has deep feelings for her (but not in love), all the issues coming out in those two episodes, he is a man, and his general attitude.
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122 firsttimenewbie
June 30, 2010 at 4:59 PM
P.S.
in addition to my first part of comments at @21, I just want to clarify:
Just because that's how I see things concerning JS/EY and DW/SY doesn't mean that if they were to end up together, it wouldn't make sense or hasn't been developed. I can completely see how the opposite view/perception of mine is the way to go.
I am not disagreeing that people perceive that JS/SY can't shouldn't end up together. Hell, I agree that right now it actually doesn't make sense. Just disagreeing that should they decide to go full development on that front, it won't come out of nowhere and the seeds had been sown.
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123 sleepy
June 30, 2010 at 5:19 PM
@ 21 firsttimenewbie (btw, shouldn't it be notfirsttimenewbie by now? j/k :p)
At this point in the story, developments will have to be made to swing to either side: EY for more resolution and SY for more development.
I don't deny that there is a possible set up for JS-SY relationship (we already knew that from the very first episode). However, the question lies not in whether there is a "set up", but rather whether there is "development". I think we can agree that at this point of the story, the "romance" between JS and SY is pretty underdeveloped considering that we are already more than halfway through. To me, it seems to be a bit late to start developing a "new" romance". Would 6-10 episodes really be enough to both convincingly develop a JS-SY relationship while also resolving a JS-EY relationship?
Again, when we look at the pacing of the story, we want to be able to ask ourselves at the end of the show, "What was the main focus of the story?". We are already somewhere between halfway to 2/3 through the story and the majority of the relationship development has been focused on JS & EY. If it were really to become a JS-SY ending, one would really have to wonder whether the writer is trying to write a comedy (a romance between JS & SY) or a tragedy (a failed romance between JS & EY).
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124 labchick
June 30, 2010 at 5:45 PM
@23 sleepy
It's possible that the writers are trying for a..it doesn't have to always be a romantic relationship plot. And I have to disagree that the emotional relationship has been developed between JS and EY. We have thus far ..well in the last 3 episodes seen the angst develop in their relationship perhaps to show us how truly complicated their lives are. The first 6 episodes were spent setting up the story line. The way I see it, the writers will prolly develop the SY side of the story during the next 3, and then use the last three to somehow balance them out. I'm not saying it will be a js/sy ending but rather that both couples are on equal footing.
Personally I don't find the js-ey relationship endearing cause I didn't see him or her fall in love. It's a lot of assumptions to rest a relationship on. I thought it was a rom-com meaning I would see the start of the romance, whats the point of coming in mid-way ?At least we see SY facing her feelings for JS while JS grudgingly accepts her into his life.
That being said, I can def see this being a JS-EY ending... the angst factor seems to fit right in but I don't see how SY can fit into their lives if that were case.
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125 Jane
June 30, 2010 at 6:11 PM
lol... hopefully, all this arguing about who JS loves or does not love won't carry on into the last episode.
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126 pipit
June 30, 2010 at 6:18 PM
I'm agree with you who wish the writers to stick with the original storyline (if there's one...but didn't someone from the show said that it's a developing project because of the characters self development?)
However, the terrible news of the death of PSY's friend and how bad she took it worried me. I understand the feelings one has to experience when one just talked to a friend only to learn the next day that he's gone. (I talked on the phone to a colleague in the afternoon only to get a call from his wife in the morning telling me that he's gone). He didn't commit suicide, but still...the regrets that I felt, a dose of guilty feelings, some major case of what ifs....PSY must feels really bad at this moment. Hope she could bounce back and proceed to wow us with her acting. This is her biggest chance to change her image.
But on the other hand the news troubled me. Why so many Korean stars commit suicide? It's not normal! CH has a change to address this issue in a small way. I don't know whether they have to change some of the story if they want to take action on this issue but the door is definitely opened.
Jin Soo's ex commit suicide. He's a mess. Eun Young and Jin Soo's relationship is also in a mess. PSY is grieving for real. Isn't it time for Kdrama to contribute to their community by addressing this issue in a small way?
Don't we want CH to make a history? They could incorporate the message against suicide (of how bad/damaging it is for those who are left behind) and giving way or solution of healing the wounds by solving EUNSOO's problem and giving them a happy ending.
Just a thought.
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127 firsttimenewbie
June 30, 2010 at 6:20 PM
@sleepy, we basically pretty much agree. Except for a few little points here and there. :)
And about my name, I mentioned once before somewhere else that I'll probably stick with it, just for the sake on continuity. It was the first thing that popped into my head Maybe I should change put a prefix or suffix in there. Hah.
@labchick, you bring up a few points that I agree with. But just don't have the time to expand the discussion right now.
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128 alphabet soup
June 30, 2010 at 8:30 PM
@26 pipit i was actually thinking the same thing haha... not that this is a laughing matter, but why does it seem that so many Korean stars commit suicide?
And it hasn't been fully stated that JS' ex-wife committed suicide so, yeah. It's just speculated by both the characters in the drama and us the viewers. I don't think we'll ever know if it was a legitimate accident or if it was intentional.
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129 mmeuh
July 1, 2010 at 11:01 AM
I find certain have a funny way of thinking, well to me at least. "He loves her but isn't in love with her" ehhh lol Again I won't comment cause JS himself has never said "I'm not in love with you." He did say he never thought of her more than a friend. But, again to me, everything he does for her goes beyond the mere friendship he mentioned. It is it or the actors are doing a terrible job at understanding the characters by showing those raw emotions. I mean the way they look at each other in the end of ep7, I'm sorry but I believe deep down everyone knows what it means.
"I thought it was a rom-com meaning I would see the start of the romance, whats the point of coming in mid-way ?"
lol this is I said CH is no your trendy modern typical drama, nor Cinderella story. I'm all for a change, people! Kdrama I broke up with you because of your cliché, pop corn love story with incurable illness, so yea you have got a change to get me back now! lol I think certains don't like EunSoo because they go against the norm. EY is supposed to be the wheel, she's supposed to be veryyyy evil, who is manipulative, and hates SY, the main unlucky poor girl to the bones, then to have a 'prince charming' JS rich, arrogant but changes after meeting her to fall for her LOL yea that's how it should go in their books. No complication, nothing, you know what you'll get in the end: and they live happily ever after. pff, few yrs ago I might have fallen for it, but not now (yes I'm old lol) With experience, you'll realize that love is not as simple as in those stories. I read several comments (not entirely) and find them sometimes childish that I couldn't help but smile. In love there's not right wrong answer, it's a feeling that consists of many other feelings. I don't make sense? lol maybe I've passed the age, don't mind me. I just think loving someone demands you more than just a phrase 'I love you'. Show them, think about them, care for them are also parts of your love.
"JS doesn't think of EY romantically! he's not in love with her!" fine lol, think what you want (or rather, deny all you want) in the end, nobody knows it better than himself (or rather his heart, because I even doubt he realizes it yet) And this is a drama, so we'll get one ending anyway, so why all the fuss? lol
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130 firsttimenewbie
July 1, 2010 at 11:29 AM
@29, believing or recognizing that a person can love another deeply but not romantically is not a "funny" way of thinking.
Nor is it funny to think that not every deep love, even if it is romantic, ends up happily ever after.
I personally think it's cliche to think every deep connection means it should be romantic or should end up in a romantic relationship or will end up as a great, happy, good lasting relationship.
So no my not rooting for JS/EY to get together has nothing to do with wanting the typical normal Cinderella stories. (This despite the fact that I really, really, really enjoy those two, EY and watch pretty much most of their dialogues and interactions a bunch of times--i.e. rewind even while a rewatch.) Actually, I watch very few of those. And actually the ones I really do enjoy and really like have other reasons behind it.
So please, just explain your own reasoning, and not try to psychoanalyze others' reasons and lump it all together.
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131 Dara
July 1, 2010 at 11:32 AM
Guys...guys...what if ep11 the writer pulls '..... years later....'
It can happen. O_O!!
JS seriously doesn't want love relationship with EY? Then what's the main point we are watching this drama? I'm confused. Can anybody tell me, what is this drama is all about?
Man, if it's not for KJH and PSY chemistry, what's the point of watching this drama.
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132 CW
July 1, 2010 at 11:57 AM
Dara, the preview for episode 11 is out and it starts off on the next day or so. lol. And JS calls the office so it's not going to be X years later. You should go and read the text previews or either soompi or viikii.
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133 Hannelora
July 1, 2010 at 12:07 PM
Thanks for your comments, Ran.
I totally agree with your comments. Actually what he has done is beyond the friend. I think myself that is it possible for a friend to stay all nights in hospital to care the closed friend, tried to reach her when he knew that she was sad, passed his hand in her hair when she slept,... Especially their gestures, their eyes says a thousands of words...I cannot explain, but it touches my heart.
In practical, between two closed friend, I think that in one's mind sometimes passes the cross line between love and friendship, and then turn back in friendship, or turn to love, and turn back...It is really complicated feelings.
In my opinion, perhaps the feelings of EJ & JS are more than friendship...I remember when her grandfather said about the blind-date between EJ & the lawyer Park, JS's face turned a little dark. I think with the role of friend, he should be happy if she can date with some one...But it seems that he is not.
I also remember in her birthday, JS helped her to solve the problem of JW by sending JW far away to the city. The day after, EJ sat in a seat, nearby is JS. I have been really impressive with their gesture . JS said that he had a present for you, then JW appeared with very funny form. Then JS said to EJ that this is a first thing he has done for her. The second thing is the new good up-comming book...Then I think immediately that perhaps he will have a third thing for her, this present probably happens at the end of this drama, that is his love... I am not pretty sure, it is just my feeling when I saw this ep.
If the drama ends up with the couple JS and SJ, as Ran comments, it is very traditional ending in drama, and not practical, where a poor girl meets an annoyed prince, then changes his bad temper....
I am looking forward that SJ becomes a pro, more than a lover. Of course, her feeling can towards JS, who is next to her. It is very normal in life when someone has feelings with boss..., but it is very grate if one can turn the feelings back to friend, and more professional....
Moreover, with happy ending of JS & SJ, the problem is not resolved. The wounding between EJ & JS is not healed. It looks like that he flees and tried to find the easy solution, and the comfortable way.
But life is not that. It is rather complicated. Seperation is easier than building something together. Because love needs the carefulness, the long friendship, the forgiveness, the sympathize, and so on. Without forgiveness, one cannot be happy together.
I hope that the director will send this message to the people.
The past is past. One cannot live with the past in the whole life. Everyone in this drama will have their own happiness, and I hope that EJ, JS, SY, and JW will find the appropriate solution in order to live happily, and when they turn back their head, nothing is regreted.
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134 CG
July 1, 2010 at 12:28 PM
Eh, Coffee House page 10 recap is still not out? Maybe Javabeans is doing a joint recap with episode 11... does anyone know?
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135 Hannelora
July 1, 2010 at 12:35 PM
I am really confused after reading the preview in Viikii for ep. 11 and 12
http://www.viikii.net/channels/goto/PageOne#TOPIC/2505
What turns out after ''HOWEVER'' in ep. 12? Whether JS changes his feeling towards SY after helping them date together! Oh, I do not believe if the drama turns to this way. It is really mess my mind....
If it changes like this, I only hope that it is good for EJ not misunderstaning his feeling, and to leave JS. EJ will be strong and happy, I believe that. If he is happy, she can smile, and go back to her way...To be honest, it is very mess, because the time EJ and JS are together is very sweet, and lovely, looks like soulmate. Do I misjudge about their relationship?
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136 Hannelora
July 1, 2010 at 12:41 PM
Javabeans, I love your comments and still wait for Coffee house page 10. When you have time, please do it for us. We enjoy it a lot! Thank you very much.
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137 labchick
July 1, 2010 at 3:27 PM
@29 Ran
I'm surprised you think that the JS-EY relationship is out of ordinary. Love is a difficult word to define. And yes JS did not say he didn't love her, he said he didn't see her as more than a friend...aka..he's not in love with her. To me, JS' character is someone who will speak up regardless of the situation but his attitude, and his sarcasm make people wonder about his intentions. I can only repeat what many others say, both pairings are cinderella like and your pick depends on who you most connect to. In general though, I have to admit that the js/ey shippers are more reluctant (maybe they're more emotionally invested) to accept a js/sy pairing while the opposite isn't entirely true. Personally rather than see a js/sy ending, I want sy to be given a fair chance and not just be there for the sake of it. And it's also more of a personal preference...some people like angst, and others like myself prefer to skip the angsty parts.
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138 Moe
July 1, 2010 at 3:35 PM
Thanks for recap!
I LOVE this show, but sincerelly, I hate the perfect face woman :(
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139 Kay
July 1, 2010 at 4:14 PM
@ :Firsttimenewbie
Well, I hope they still keep the original love line that they originally had
I have said before, people have different belief and value as well as preference, which pretty much determine individual perception. There is certainly no right or wrong answer in this specific topic either. I want to thank you for giving your feedback.
And I agree that the set up has been there all along for SY- JS but to this point, they were all under-developed . Personally I think they are just a trap from the beginning. Again, I could be wrong. But that is how I see it. As you have probably noticed the momentum of all the cliché twists in the drama, the pd / screen write set it up exactly like any other dramas but were the out-comes the same? And I think the pairing is the biggest twist in this drama, which the PD/ screen writer have done an awesome job to keep have our hopes up for both couple. JS and EY may not meant to be in your taste, yet, I cant see him loves and be happy with anyone else, but EY. No One. Period.
Let’s use your reason here. “SY is obviously not into DW as he is into her.”, so SY shouldn’t be with DW, right? Then you must agree with me-- JS is obviously not into SY AT ALL. Why should he choose her, instead of someone he cares and love deeply (romantically or not, I don’t think he’s even sure himself)
I like Page One too. And thanks to Choufy has pointed out that the writer seem to like” birthday”. I have some thoughts over it. Do you see the connection there? A new page, a new progress, a new chapter , a change, a new stage, a new-born hope … Let’s see. On EY’s birthday, JS (couldn’t help but ) showed his concern toward her for the very first time- which he has been hiding it for years (She was touch and happy for that. Thanks to JW!). Eunsoo relationship stepped into a new page, and since then we have seen JS continued to do so (with or without her knowledge).(And thanks to SY idea!) On JS’s birthday, EY couldn’t hold herself any longer but make the boldest move – the 1st Eunsoo Kiss, which driven their relationship to change once again, even if JS wasn’t willing to let’s go in the beginning but, he knows that he had no choice. This is another chapter for EunSoo; weather it’s good or bad, we’ll soon find out. However, do you think all these events happened on EY and JS birthday that eventually change their relationship was just a plain coincidence? Why didn’t they use SY birthday or someone else ‘s instead? Now, I wonder if they are going to use SY or JW birthday for the next progress.
Honestly as much as I love Eunsoo, I didn’t really care if JS ‘d be with SY at the end as long as EY get what she deserves and the story convince me well. Nevertheless, if we have only 6 episodes to go with a quite amount of maintaining unresolved issues, I don’t think the drama ‘ll be able to convince the audience with the sudden change in characters as the new love line developed. ( like I have previously mentioned) JS , who hasn’t shown any sign of affection toward SY, but suddenly fall in love with her deeply, that he could forget the girl that he has emotional involved in the last 10 yrs. Does it sound believable to you? Not to me, at least. So what if they had a mean to vibe from the beginning ? So what if SY is the perfect girl for him ( which I don’t think so)? We are talking about LOVE. It’s the matter of the HEART-which couldn’t even be controlled or resisted by a human-being, in countless cases (If JS had a choice, do you think if he wants to worry , concerns for EY to the point that he is almost dying? Or sprints like a mad man just to see her face for a few seconds? Or stays up all night at the hospital and hotel to look after her? Or even has to throw away his pride to go back to check on her when he knew she cried? Or follows her around and even attend the big event( that he hates) to save their contract- his only link to hers? And if he had a choice, do you think he could stop himself kissing her back? Like seriously!!!)
And for those who think they don’t have chemistry together, nor he loves her, or he just feel guilty from the part; it’s either your version has some issue, or you’re in denial, after seeing all he ‘s done . But it’s your right to do so.. Even JS may not even know what he wants, what right do I have to blame you?
But again, I could be in denial myself too. In your opposite, I can’t feel the romantic vibe between SY –JS at all. Like None!!! Nor I could imagine them doing intimate things between lovers like kissing ,or cuddling. It ‘s VERY….. OFF. More than anyone, they give me a vibe of siblings, master and assistant, adult and kid, … Or Tom and Jerry, that’s kind of relationship. So I guess even we watching the same show , but we only perceive things that we believe , that contain each individual value.
Dear Firsttimenewbie, whether JS loves EY romantically or not, you admitted that he loves and cares for her deeply right? Then could you please open my eyes a bit more with your explanation b/w romantically love and non-romantically love. As well as what has JS done or hasn’t done that put him into that category? Thanks
PS: I know you guys have talked JS ‘s Male Instinct response to the kiss. I’ll get back later for that !
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140 mmeuh
July 1, 2010 at 6:59 PM
@30 Opinions. Opinions. It's never ending, these types of discussions. so yea I don't want to waste my time to 'explain' lol
But I'm curious, cause well, it's me maybe. Isn't it obvious SYxJS is or lookss like the typical kdrama couple?? go and tell me wrong if anyone minds lol but it doesn't change anything to me. Because I don't feel any depth in them (and I go back to JS' expressions, what does he want me to think when he looks at EY LIKE THAT?! lol ) Few yrs ago I used to love these types of romances between poor girl/rich guy etc u know the trend, it's perfect and like a dream right?lol it gives you hope lol but then when you grow older you realize real life is not like that. There is no prince charming, and you won't probably fall in love with someone who constantly bullies/abuses you. AND there's no Lee Dong Gun, Hyun Bin, *insert hot male actors here* somewhere in corner who waits for you. yes, it's called reality.
@37 Again, personal taste! (eh, not the drama) To me every character in a drama has a role, whether how small it is. so SY has hers too, but if you ask me, I'll say she isn't compatible with JS. Don't argue, it's my opinion, like you have yours, nothing to be justified here, and I won't give any. I don't feel anything towards them, my heart doesn't skip a beat when he looks at her (or rather when he 'plays' with her) My heart tells me no and I don't like to lie to myself on that matter.
"And yes JS did not say he didn’t love her, he said he didn’t see her as more than a friend…aka..he’s not in love with her."
LOL since when this man is that credible? It's ok if you want to believe in what you want it to be. Nobody has same eyes, senses, tastes anyway. Personally, in love or not in love I don't care cause I've learn that words are only words. What counts is your actions and as I said before JS' doings have proved to me how important EY is to him. And with that it is more than enough. ^^
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141 CW
July 1, 2010 at 7:21 PM
"LOL since when this man is that credible? I"
Exactly. We all know that at the end of episode 10, what he said to Eun Young was a pack of lies so as you said, his credibility is shot.
Regardless. all this arguing won't change the script. :D We'll soon find out who he loves (if anyone - including himself).
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142 firsttimenewbie
July 1, 2010 at 7:32 PM
@40, ran
I never asked you to explain yourself. Nor did I say your opinions weren't valid.
All I took issue with was that the part of the comment attempted to assume what the reasons were for non-JS/EY shippers.
Now in your recent comment, you simply gave your reasoning for JS/EY and what you see and interpret the whole dynamic as. That's not the same thing you did in the previous comment, where again you lumped everyone not wanting a JS/EY ending together and said gave your reasons for why *others* feel the way they do. I hope the difference is clear.
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143 mmeuh
July 1, 2010 at 7:42 PM
@42 I don't assume thing. It's my opinion. People have right to agree or not.
I'm EunSoo, of course I'd write about them. why otherwise lol And as I said I didn't mean to assume anything about the other shipper, if it feels like that, the let it be, I don't care. lol
Okay that's it. I'll be waiting for next ep. These discussions are going nowhere ^^ (or I'm just not good at it haha)
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144 pipit
July 1, 2010 at 7:42 PM
Hehehe....dear guys...loving CH so much has made me love you all too! ^-^
I have a very good theory which will explain all the things that we've been discussing for so long. It'll put it into words and post it here when I have a spare time hopefully soon! I'm at work now and in the process of preparing our Minister's letter, but I just can't help it. I need to have a look at this page!
Seeing so many questions flying around about Jin Soo's and what's in his miind.... I can hardly wait to share it with you. The theory is going to be a long one. But even if I have to say so myself it's a very good one! And a testimony of how great CH really is. How great the writers are. And how they fool us all. And the most important thing is how great KJW is! If indeed my theory is correct, his part as Jin Soo is probably the most difficult role in his entire career, and he's done a great, great job at portraying this guy! Yes, I finally has to second those who say KJW is GOD!
CH is really changing all my perception regarding its lead actor and actress! I'm in total awe now.
I'll be back again soon! I'm going to apologise in advance in the many typos you'll probably see in my next post. I'm so excited and in such hurry that I won't spare it for spell check (like I've ever....^-^)
See you soon!!
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145 labchick
July 1, 2010 at 7:46 PM
@ 40 Ran
Sigh.. since you claim to be much older, I'll assume that you're no longer in the current dating pool.. well if you are planning on being in here, it's a pretty tough world out there. I don't undermine the importance of EY in JS' life, just that his interest needn't necessarily be romantic. If all the single women in here interpreted caring actions as acts of romance, then they're in for a pretty rude shock :)
As for the credibility issue, since JS goes around blurting a load of garbage interspersed with moments of sincerity...why assume his confession was false? Why can't it be true.?
As for a true cinderella story.. EY is broken, she needs help, she shares an intense emotional connection with the man who rejects her, her ex was/is a douche, her granpa is adorable..starting to sound familiar?
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146 Satomi
July 1, 2010 at 7:56 PM
@firsttimenewbie
After watching episode 10, my thoughts are the exact same. I couldn't have described it any better. At first I didn't understand why JS was so upset at SY for being the mediator, afterall isn't it better that they reconcile? But the look on EY when she finds out and as she gave JS the note tell us that she's not over him and SY just renewed her false hopes which is so not what JS wanted.
I think EY harbored her one-sided love for so long that she misread any kindness and care from JS as romantic gestures. The history they've had together understandably bonded them together, but to JS it's one that's platonic but it's still obviously sacred to him. Someone here mentioned the difference between JS and EY's memory of their past, I think it's very telling in their different perceptions of each other from the clothes to their demeanor. What's interesting is the specific moment they chose to recall. For JS, the moment was when he received his wife's voicemail, but to EY, it was the moment when JS's tears fell on her hand inside the ambulance.
I agree it's a little late in the drama for a romantic development between JS and SY, but I think it only makes sense for the JS-EY relationship to resolve/dissolve? before SY can become a bigger influence in JS's life. When SY offered to be JS's confidant and that he doesn't have to keep everything inside, I thought that was the perfect timing. Like JB wrote, his sense of order is all messed up now, so he needed a form of stability. But also since when has anyone earnestly offer that to him with no strings attached?
So yes, a little late for 16 episodes, but I think they can end it as a budding romance hinting towards a brighter future and not necessarily a happily ever after ending w/ full bloom romance.
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147 mmeuh
July 1, 2010 at 8:00 PM
@45 you comment made laugh lol I'm not thatt old, but again, since when age is a matter for dating or fall in love? O_o
As I said, I don't care whether it's ROMANTIC. To me, seeing how much they care for each other is enough. Whether it develops in something else, it's still the base for every relationship.
"Why can't it be true?" lol how on earth we know what's going on in this guy head when we're NOT him huh ^^ I say let him says it himself. Let's see if he ever gets to do a raw confession type 'I love you more than anything' in his life (eh wait, before this drama ends)
I argue, EY is not broken. She's a woman who fell in love with her old friend. The one who is traumatized is JS. EY has her career and more that can help her to get back on her feet quickly, JS can't do that for 10 long yrs.
(and eh, maybe because of my broke up with kdrama too long, but what you mentioned doesn't remind me of anything ^^,,)
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148 firsttimenewbie
July 1, 2010 at 8:01 PM
@kay
Sorry if I can't get to all of your post. But I will just quickly go over some things. I enjoyed reading your post and thank you for the reply to mine.
Anyway, my reply probably won't make any sense to anyone other than myself. It's just how I perceive and interpret the show. And it's even more difficult because for my own interpretations I see how it can be argued and viewed exactly the opposite way. Which is probably one of the best things about this show.
Just a quick note. I don't think JS' reaction to the kiss was simply a male reaction. As I noted before it was a culmination of a lot of things, and yes I do think the events and his feelings for EY played into it. Now it will go into, if he kissed her and I think it's more than a male reaction, then of course he thinks of her as a romantic interest. Which is a bit more harder to explain. Which I will try to get to some other time.
Explaining if it's possible that someone can love another without it being romantic is a whole another issue. I think is just some people's personal ideas.
I completely agree that SY is into JS more than he is into her right now. And I would say her crush is gone. But like I said is in another recap, even before her crush started, she started becoming a bit more reluctant to leave his presence and notice his lack of presence. We haven't really seen that from JS--except for a possible hint here and there.
And I'm not so sure JS will end up with SY. I'm not exactly rooting for them to get together. But I think the DW/SY situation just has a vibe of him going to get hurt in the end. In episode 9, I was like, poor guy.
It's not simply that he's way more into her. At first, it's true that she didn't realize it. But even after she decided to give him a chance, that's what it kind of looks like. She's decided to give it a go. And I get that it could change and she could slowly get more and more into him.
But it's like, even after she's decided to make an effort with him, she is still pretty much acting towards him as she did before she found out he liked her. Like I said, it could totally change. But so far, I'm not really seeing it. I realize that the argument that JS/SY could happen, makes it possible that DW/SY could happen as well.
If it were to be JS/SY, there would have to be development within the next 6 episodes****. Just like there was much focus on EY in the past few, it would somehow need to be more developed in the next few. I think there have been groundworks laid out for that. Now, they would definitely HAVE to go for it. Because as it is right now, I don't see either of them actually having all that strong romantic feelings for each other.
I think SY cares for him. I think her crush has been gone. But at the same time, while her caring for him has some underlying tones to it, overall I don't think she is thinking of him as a love interest. She has given up on that (not that it was all that seriously in her thoughts in the first place, anyway.) If that makes sense.
JS showed probably for the first time actual genuine affection for SY in episode 10, when he told her she grew a lot. It's not romantic though.
***And this is where it works against DW/SY as well. SY's interactions will still be with JS more than DW. I think SY/DW would need to be more developed too, if should end up together. But I see less chances of that happening. So I think the options for her are: no one--which is not a bad, thing, her life isn't defined by man, and it's more important for her to succeed professionally first; of JS
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149 firsttimenewbie
July 1, 2010 at 8:20 PM
ACK! Typos galore. Sorry, guys. I'll just clean up the last paragraph, because that last sentence needs to be fixed, anyway.
****And this is where it works against DW/SY as well. SY’s interactions will still be with JS more than DW. I think SY/DW would need to be more developed too, if they should end up together. But I see less chances of that happening. So I think the options for her are: no one–which is not a bad thing at all, her life isn’t defined by aman, and it’s more important for her to succeed professionally first; or JS
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150 Kay
July 1, 2010 at 10:38 PM
@ 37 labchick :
Sorry I can't help but have to reply to your post....
At least EunSoo’s more ordinary than the typical Cinderella pairing in Kdrama
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Oh, so… DOES ONE HAVE TO SAY IT OUT LOUD TO PROVE HE IS IN LOVE?!?!
O.K?
“JS’ character is someone who will speak up regardless of the situation but his attitude, and his sarcasm make people wonder about his intentions”
.---> This made me wonder if we are talking about the same guy??!!?!?
Lolz Ok , got it!!! What you said is only correct when it comes to his interaction with SY, who works for him and whoever has no affect on his life. I never have an impression of JS being honest that speak up regardless of the situation. You may have short-term memory , but let’s me remind you when he lied the last time. He told EY that SY lies all the time (1), hence, he fire her(2). And just to make the situation tittle clear he tend to hide/ and lie whenever EY involved (necessary or not). ( E.g, JS denied that he ‘d trouble EY mate-matching, but told her “it doesn’t suit her” right after, when JW told him about his feeling toward EY, he didn’t tell her; ….) *note that he can also lies as a PRO, and his book is a proof**
JS is a decisive guy so when he decided to do something he’d do it perfectly. He wants to hide his true feeling toward EY/ keep a distance with her, he’d do his best with all means ( hide himself when he sick, pretend not to care for her, rejecting her, want to take a long break….). Therefore, his words is unreliable to me, and “ ACTION SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS”. All his doing betrayed his word: He love and care for her so much more than he’d ever admit!!!
……………………………………………………………………………………………Again , this is all about personal taste!!!!
I think I could accept SY –JS couple too if it was ever happen. But I think it’s impossible now ( or I could be wrong). Yet,I found you could be a bit narrow here to say EunSoo shippers ‘re reluctant ( or this word seems to get me a bit offensive here??? )
You must understand that most of the emotional processes in CH up to this point have been support EunSoo couple so the plot and the actors performance have been doing a GREAT JOB To “convince and convert viewers”. Thus, it’s easier to any viewer to accept EunSoo as the OTP than SY-JS ,who haven’t shown any romantic scene, or affection interest from the male lead. It’s not that EunSoo shippers‘s reluctant ( the word could be a bit offensive here?) because it’d have worked the other way around if SY-JS had been the centric romance . Seeing is believing. That’s how people market. You CAN’T ASK people to imagine the UN-REAL plot and chemistry when they have they have the REAL THING in front of them. Why would any Eunsoo-er or no-ship audience accept / prefer the SY-JS in imagination than the real clip, well-written plot, sizzling chemistry , wonderful acting and well-matched couple in front of them? Does it make sense? You can’t blame us as we can’t blame you if the other way around.
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It’s individual choice, but I believe people who watch CH , are all enjoy comedy and laughter. However our value and preference of LOVE are various based on age, nationality, background, personal experience ,interest, personality, drama background… But I don’t think a guy like JS ‘d bring happiness to SY, neither could she. It’s not about age but common ground, experiences, and personality. Beside the all other reasons that make me an EunSooer, EY and JS are not only in the same rank but also have mutual respect for each other . And this is what SY-JS lack. (No matter how mad JS is, he never YELL, or mess around with EY for his interest. He even went extra mile to make her happy) Respect may not be a big issue when we are new in the relationship but it bonds to companionship to maintain marriage life. With the way he has been treating SY, I personally have a hard time to comprehend why people want them to be together. Is it cute and funny to look at for all SY shippers? Maybe I have a soft heart that I couldn’t stand her being treat that way. Is it how you like to be treat as a woman? Even though he is always on top of her, but they ‘d eventually break up if they ever get together. Stubborn SY and control-freak JS tolerate so much ( E.g, When EY ignores his birthday; SY insists him to have a party, which drove him away) …. ** we can talk more about this matter later***
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Talking about Justice, we are not the one who can decide what fair and what not; because every story is different and viewer’s perception ‘s rather individual too. There must be a reason why most of us call Cinderella story is a typical cliché, right? People love and support those heroines, because they want justice and fairness to them. So it’s not normal if you feel this way. However, SY is not a real Cinderella here as when did anyone ever get her suffered , hate or harm her? What fairness are you talking about? Put your shipper bias on a side, and be honest to yourself, who is the person sacrifice and got hurt the most in CH? Who have always been there and help JS whenever he needs? And do you really think it’s fair for him to turn his back on her and go to another girl? ( and I haven’t touched the Love issue yet. This is about justice) Are you sure you didn’t affect from the typical plot that” it’d fair if the poor girl got the prize”?
And this is not MY REASONING, but YOURS from my POV
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