Coffee House: Page 10
by javabeans
I’ve read a lot of comments maligning Jin-soo, but I’ve got to say, I LOVE him — as a character. As a person, he’s frustrating and selfish and infuriating, but as a character? Rich, complex, and intriguing.
He’s showing a lot more depth than we could have guessed at the start, when he was all smiles and politeness and pure facade. And I love dramas where relationships continue to evolve, as they do here.
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PAGE 10 RECAP
After Jin-soo collapses in his studio, he’s able to muster enough strength to jot down a few notes to Seung-yeon, directing her to fill his prescriptions. In a panic, Seung-yeon races to the hospital to find his doctor, fills the sleep-aid prescriptions, and dashes back to the studio.
(I’ve been trying to let it slide, but it’s getting a little out of hand, so: Good lord that girl runs like an idiot. I’m sorry to say it like that, but there’s no better way to put it. I’ve defended Ham Eun-jung’s acting in this drama and found it perfectly serviceable, but she’s been slipping in recent episodes. That exaggerated run does her no favors, either; it’s like Mi-nam’s Kindergartner Run in You’re Beautiful, but even more exaggerated.)
But back to the point. She brings the pharmaceuticals to Jin-soo, who gets to work injecting himself with an IV. Seung-yeon is startled at his facility with drug self-administration, until he reminds her to give his profile a closer read. (She recalls that he went to medical school.)
We’re not told exactly what Jin-soo’s condition is, but since he’s using an IV and he seems fatigued, I presume that he’s suffering exhaustion, exacerbated by skipped meals, dehydration, and extreme stress.
When Eun-young calls, Jin-soo doesn’t want to answer, so Seung-yeon makes an excuse for him. I don’t know if Eun-young really believes that he’s not home, but she accepts this response with a little disappointment.
Jin-soo dismisses Seung-yeon for the day, which worries her because she doesn’t like the idea of leaving him alone in his condition. By now she knows that he won’t stand for protest, so instead she thinks up an alternate idea: She sends Grandma over to tend to him.
It’s a pretty good idea, too, and shows us that she’s getting to know him pretty well. As she later explains to Dong-wook, Jin-soo is fundamentally unable to be rude to strangers. Therefore, Seung-yeon could try her utmost to tend him and urge him to eat, but he’d just lose his temper and kick her out. He isn’t on familiar terms with her grandmother, however, and therefore will feel enough social pressure to reluctantly do as she tells him.
When Jin-soo finds himself with one pushy granny on his hands insisting that he eat, he calls Seung-yeon, who feigns a bad phone connection in order to ignore his outburst. She hangs up feeling pretty proud of herself and not the least bit sorry to have acted counter to Jin-soo’s wishes to be left alone.
Seung-yeon explains this as she waits downstairs in the book cafe, sharing a dessert with Dong-wook, who is adorably smitten with her. In fact, the other employees note that Dong-wook thinks he’s being Mr. Smooth in keeping his relationship under the radar, when in fact he’s about as understated as a Korean grandma bargaining for discounts.
Sadly for those of us who find Dong-wook the cutest thing ever, this scene encapsulates their relationship in a nutshell: Seung-yeon talks about her job, her mind still fixated on Jin-soo and his illness, while Dong-wook listens with half an ear, more preoccupied with doing little things to win Seung-yeon over. Like giving her a piece of dduk (rice cake) and pumping his fist in victory (surreptitiously, of course) when she notes that he’s observant to notice she likes dduk.
True to Seung-yeon’s predictions, Jin-soo is unable to order Grandma to leave, and sits down at the table to grudgingly eat the spread she has laid out. While he tries to get this over with quickly, Granny asks questions about his life, all the while adding kimchi to his spoon with her fingers. At first, Jin-soo looks at the kimchi in disgust, and reluctantly eats it — but as she continues to pile on the kimchi, he starts to like the taste. It’s hilarious (and a little touching) how this has the effect of retrieving his appetite, and by the end of the conversation he’s scraping the bottom of his bowl and holding out his spoon to Grandma for filling.
Meanwhile, she chatters on, asking questions that he answers in brief replies. For instance, this apartment isn’t really his, although he lives here while writing. In fact, he doesn’t have a home of his own. His parents died when he was in university, so he spends all his time wandering from place to place.
Grandma clucks over that, but she doesn’t treat him with pity; she nags him about getting married, saying that it’s not good to be alone all the time. It’s the kind of thing your own grandmother says to you, nagging over how she thinks you ought to live your life, with the best intentions.
Grandma leaves after assuring Seung-yeon that Jin-soo ate lunch properly and is now resting. When Seung-yeon checks on him, he’s grumpy and accuses her of being crazy to thwart him so blatantly. However, he’s too tired to be angry properly and lies back in fatigue.
Seung-yeon isn’t fazed, knowing that she did everything for his own good, and asks him to call her whenever he’s sick or bored. Perhaps she understands now that he cuts himself off from everyone, not because he wants to but because even if he didn’t, he would still have nobody to turn to. Cutting people off first makes his loneliness his choice, and may be easier to deal with than wanting that company but not having it.
I doubt Seung-yeon understands all that in such clear terms, but she’s encroaching on that understanding, just a teeny bit. Jin-soo calls Seung-yeon arrogant for thinking she knows everything and says dryly that she’s grown up, but her offer to be there for him does make an impression on him.
That evening, Eun-young wraps up work and calls Jin-soo, wanting to drop by for a few minutes to talk. Jin-soo turns her down, acting normal and using the excuse that he’s busy, but she overrides him and says it’ll only be a moment.
Jin-soo doesn’t want her to know he’s sick — if she knew, it would clue her into his worry over her disappearance, and Jin-soo can’t let himself be that vulnerable, no way. So he pulls himself out of bed and cracks open the door to talk to Eun-young over the threshold, not letting her inside, citing work as his reason.
Eun-young takes this in stride, but admits that she felt bad to hear that he had been worried over her weekend disappearance. However, now she sees from his casual behavior that he hadn’t worried after all, and wonders, “I’m the one who was embarrassed and hurt — why are you avoiding me? That’s silly.”
Jin-soo blusters that he’s not avoiding her, then gets rid of Eun-young quickly before Seung-yeon arrives, carrying his prescriptions. He has ordered her to keep his condition a secret from Eun-young, so Seung-yeon hides the medication behind her back when she runs across Eun-young.
Ji-won has done some serious thinking of his own, and calls Eun-young to — finally! — offer her his apology for hurting her two years ago. It’s a little ridiculous that he hasn’t realized what he’d done until now, but now that he has, he’s sincerely regretful and tells her solemnly that he’s sorry. He even accepts 70% of the responsibility for their breakup, which he increases to 80%, then 90%, at her incredulous reaction.
Naturally, Eun-young finds him a little absurd, and cuts him off just as he starts to bring up her relationship with Jin-soo. Flatly, she tells him it was all a show to make him let go, and that Jin-soo’s going to leave soon. She’s going to start dating again (she uses the word mat-seon, which is a blind date undertaken with the intention of marriage). Bluntly, she tells Ji-won that in any case, he is forever out of her life, and hangs up.
I admire Eun-young’s professionalism and her mature personality, because rather than moping over Jin-soo or trying to force her way — hitherto the only two options to the kdrama heroine — she takes action. It’s not vindictive, or angry, but practical.
To that end, she contacts her lawyer and has him draw up a document canceling her contract with Jin-soo. Not only does this release him from her company, it is effective immediately, meaning that she exerts no claim over this book. Her employees are stunned, because to them, this has come out of left field and without explanation. But even though Jin-soo does understand her reason, he’s just as shocked to be handed the papers.
Jin-soo confronts Eun-young wearing a serious — dare I say a little stricken? — expression, and asks what this is all about. This is not welcome news to him, even though it puts him in a better situation than it does Eun-young, whose company would lose a lot more than he would at the loss of the contract.
Eun-young talks to Jin-soo wearing a serene expression, explaining that she has realized that his reason for writing is to repay his old debt to her. She doesn’t want to make money off that. She’d like to dissolve this contract to enable them to return to the way they were when they first met, and reminds him that Jin-soo had been the one to say that she’s a pro at returning to her original state (he means that she’s cool in the face of disruptions and struggles).
She reminds him of how they used to be before they’d become friends or business partners — back when they were acquaintances who conversed well and had fun when they found themselves in each other’s company. He had stuck to that line all these years — that line keeping them only friends — while she hadn’t, and now she wants to go back.
But this isn’t what Jin-soo wanted, or meant, and it’s written all over his face.
Eun-young continues her explanation, saying that it would be nice to go back to their closer friendship, to how they were before his birthday — and the kiss — but they can’t do that. She says that although Jin-soo would like her to be cool in moving on after it, she can’t, so this is the best she can do. (It’s one thing to reboot entirely, but it’s a lot harder to undo a big move like that and pretend it didn’t happen.) She regrets that, but what can you do?
Eun-young keeps that pleasant smile on her face as she parts ways with Jin-soo, but as she walks on, her face grows grimmer and grimmer and she becomes lost in thought, even missing the light for the crosswalk.
Jin-soo, trailing behind Eun-young, catches up to her at the intersection, where he asks in a subdued voice, “If you dump me, what will I write for? Why would I write?”
Eun-young’s gaze grows troubled, but she keeps her tone light as she jokes that he must be awfully content with his success to talk like that, and walks on.
When Jin-soo gets back to his studio, Eun-young’s employee hands him an invitation to a formal event, the International Peace Seoul Awards, asking if he will be in attendance. He figures that Jin-soo won’t want to go accept his award, but hesitantly requests a definite answer — they can’t deal with him agreeing to go and then skipping out again.
Of all the scenes in this episode, this is the one that gives me the most hope for Jin-soo, even though it’s the most mundane, uninteresting one. It’s a purely expository scene to set up the award, but Jin-soo’s response is telling — he looks at the invitation and wonders if going to the event will keep Eun-young from nulling their contract. He jokes that he doesn’t want to be “fired” by her.
Eun-young is surprised when Jin-soo joins her on the car ride to the award ceremony, and he keeps his tone casual as he says that he doesn’t want to get kicked out of his nice workshop: “Can’t we just continue like this? With a bit of awkwardness? Or is that being greedy?”
Jin-soo has spent most of the drama being the one in control, as I noted in the previous recap, so I love seeing him in the vulnerable position for once. It shows us that he does have feelings, even if he’s deathly afraid of them for the most part, and that some things — namely, Eun-young — are worth making a little effort over.
(At least, for now.)
Seung-yeon doesn’t know about the contract cancellation until the car ride over to the award ceremony. Hyun-joo fills her in, then wonders if something happened on Jin-soo’s birthday — up until then, everything had been going fine. Things started to get strange afterward, and Hyun-joo asks if Seung-yeon knows anything.
Seung-yeon does — she doesn’t know the full story, but she did witness the rooftop conversation — but isn’t in the place to divulge, so she deflects the question. Once at the venue, the team gets to work prepping Jin-soo and Eun-young for their parts in the ceremony.
Seung-yeon hesitantly broaches the topic of the contract cancellation with Jin-soo, but he shuts her down. She doesn’t press with him but can’t shake the feeling that this isn’t right, so she next seeks out Eun-young in her dressing room. Jin-soo briefly sees the two women talking on his way out, but doesn’t make much of it.
Seung-yeon tells Eun-young how much Jin-soo worried over her and how he’d taken a lot of sleeping pills. She can see that Jin-soo really cares for her, and worries that this contract cancellation is the product of a misunderstanding.
Eun-young’s eyes fill with tears at this revelation, and the proof that Jin-soo had been lying to her with his flippant remarks and blasé attitude. Both relieved at the truth and frustrated with Jin-soo’s mulishness, Eun-young sighs that Jin-soo’s always covering up the truth, and she’d never have been able to see the truth without Seung-yeon. She murmurs, half to herself, “Were things always a mess with us because we didn’t have a secretary?”
Eun-young thanks Seung-yeon earnestly for her help. Seung-yeon walks out feeling that she did the right thing, that she fulfilled her job as a good secretary, tamping down her personal disappointment (over the imminent reconciliation).
As Jin-soo waits just offstage in the wings, Eun-young comes up to him, now wearing a much softer expression. She grasps his hand — to his surprise — and tells him to do a good job.
When she pulls away, he finds a note in his hand. He opens it to read: “Let’s look for the answer together. Don’t struggle alone, please. I’m sorry for giving you a hard time without knowing you were sick.”
He’s puzzled, but Seung-yeon pops into view and gives him a “fighting” sign, for good luck. Now he starts to piece things together, and realizes that Seung-yeon told Eun-young the truth.
His sight starts to grow out of focus — his surroundings start to merge together in a blur, and the stage lights are blinding — while Jin-soo’s face hardens.
But we won’t know what he’s thinking for a few moments, and I like that the director keeps us at a distance — both physically and emotionally. As he walks onstage to accept his award, fading into the white wash of stage lights, we see him as Eun-young and Seung-yeon do — wanting to know what he’s thinking but only able to see the back of him.
For a moment I wondered if he’d run away again, but he gets through the entire night with nary a hitch, and afterward Seung-yeon gives him a cheery thumbs-up, bubbling over with happiness and excitement.
They’ve all been invited to a party afterward, but Jin-soo tells Seung-yeon to go home instead. When she asks why, he tells her plainly, “You’re fired.”
That wipes the smile off her face immediately, and she’s confused and uncomprehending. She asks why, and he rattles off his reasons in a barrage of matter-of-factness: She revealed something he entrusted her to keep secret, she meddled in his life with “delusions of grandeur,” she acted out of “childish pity,” she broke the trust that he could entrust her with any future secrets, and lastly, she smashed his hope that she might turn out to be a decent secretary after all.
He says all this without malice or even anger, but I suspect his detachment is what makes it even harder to comprehend. He leaves Seung-yeon in a daze and joins Eun-young in the limo as they head to the party.
Eun-young believes things are on the mend, so she’s startled to hear that he has just fired his secretary. He explains that he can’t have a secretary who lies, then clarifies that everything Seung-yeon just told Eun-young was a total, utter lie: “Don’t believe any of it.”
Frankly methinks he doth protest too much and I’m hoping Eun-young picks up on that, but for now she’s too stunned to have any reaction at all.
She looks a little lost as Jin-soo pulls out the documents and now agrees that she was right in wanting to sever their ties: “We’ve gone far enough, and I don’t think any good will come of us continuing to be linked together.” He’ll agree to her conditions.
With a return of his maddening smile, Jin-soo signs the papers, then requests that the limo driver pull over.
Telling Eun-young to have fun at the party, he gets out, leaving two very shell-shocked women in his wake.
COMMENTS
Despite some frustrating behavior by Jin-soo in this episode, I kind of love it. I love that Jin-soo is such a mess of contradictions, but with every layer that gets unpeeled, his complexities and neuroses all feel consistent with his character — they form a maddening but realistic person, and that’s one thing this drama does so well.
In the first half of this episode, I was thinking how very much Jin-soo needs this rude awakening — he needed to realize that you don’t know what you’ve got till you’ve lost it. When Eun-young is the one who wants to cut their relationship, he’s not quite desperate but he is very keen on restoring things. It’s like a prankster who pulls one joke too many and then hurries to explain, “I didn’t mean it! Really!”
But then the tables turn again, and he’s the recipient of Eun-young’s understanding — but worse, her pity. At first I wasn’t quite sure why he had such a violent reaction to this change in her behavior, because even if it’s a little embarrassing to be found out, you’d think he’d be happy to have a good thing on his side. But I believe that the primary operating force in this is his reaction to losing control. In fact, not only has he lost it, it’s been stolen from him secretly by his secretary, and he’s like this big ol’ contrarian who feels cornered and manipulated when things are out of his control.
I have this feeling that Jin-soo is so scarred from his ex-wife’s death that he no longer wants responsibility over ANYTHING in his life at all, which is why he rejects relationships, intimacy, and even a physical home. Autonomy is the only thing he’s got left, and he reacts like a feral animal when someone takes it away.
Plus, this is a recurring theme for Seung-yeon, so I’m frankly not surprised that he fired her. I was expecting it. Let’s be honest, she’s not a good secretary. She’s a decent person, but a pretty lousy secretary. Think of all those dramas with that evil mastermind (East of Eden, Cinderella’s Sister) — and think of his evil henchman. That secretary is the Evil Boss’s secretary because he does every single thing his master requires, and he does it efficiently and without moral posturing. That’s why they’re the best.
Seung-yeon, on the other hand? She’s like the secretary you would send to your enemy — the MVP for the opposing team, if you will. She has been getting a bit big for her britches — for instance, the scene when she hangs up on Jin-soo by faking a bad connection — and pride, as they say, cometh before a fall.
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151 CW
July 3, 2010 at 7:43 PM
Pipit, while I understand your point, I really think Eun Young needs to leave Jin Soo alone to sort out his own mess.
I say this because if she keeps trying, she's going to keep getting hurt. She's not made of steel and that guy has begun to say hurtful things to her. Before they were masked with jokes but now he says them with a straight face.
With him, I just hope not having her shoulder to rely on will help him understand what he's lost and what's important to him. I really liked Eun Young's note to him and his reaction to it was too ridiculous. For me, I think she needs to consider moving on. She suspected he might have feelings he wasn't admitting to and SY confirmed it to her. But as she knows, JS will never change... so I think the best thing would be for her to move on.
Hopefully, she wouldn't have moved too far on before Jin Soo regains his senses.
And I also enjoyed your previous post. It was very romantic but I hope it's not true. That Jin Soo would pull an innocent HS into his personal mess is a bit too much. I think Jin Soo might have liked Eun Young when they were younger but I hope he gave his marriage with Hee Soo a fair chance and EY had nothing to do with the resolution of that marriage.
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152 Lahlita
July 3, 2010 at 8:19 PM
Whew, conversation got hot up in here, didn't it? For a second I thought I'd taken a wrong turn and ended up at LiveJournal!
I gotta say, the more I watch Coffee House, the less I'm inclined to root for any ship. No one is really doing it for me as a pair. And despite some absolutely gorgeous EunSoo posts like Pipit's, I'm just not seeing it, nor am I feeling it. I'm well aware that I'm bringing my own cynical nature to my interpretation, but I throw my hat in with Amg1. EunSoo doesn't work for me. They're beautiful and complex, they're good TV, but as a romantic love relationship? Nah, they don't work as they are right now. The relationship isn't mutually beneficial, and it doesn't seem healthy. It's nice to romanticize their issues and talk about the heart wanting what the heart wants, but love is not enough. It's not nearly enough, and I'm not even sure that there's true Eros love on Jin-soo's part anyway. So if the PD plans to have them end up together, I really need to see some sort of conversation and healing, and quite a bit of emotional maturing on Jin-soo's part. Eun-young is wonderful, but she's done as much as she can do for him. She needs to quite enabling Jin-soo, and just let him go. He's a grown-ass man!
[disclaimer: I once played Eun-young to a Jin-soo. A fifteen-year "friendship" with an emotionally stunted half-orphan, in which I continually found myself heartbroken and emotionally drained while he swore that he had nothing if I ever left him. The best thing I ever did for myself was to finally free myself, and move on with my life, towards love, joy, happiness, puppies and rainbows and all that jazz. And it turns out he COULD live without me. Life's drama is called Drama for a reason.]
I quite like Jin-soo with Seung-yeon -- they had a really beautiful emotional connection growing before that chit got herself fired -- but I don't know that they work romantically either. I like that their dynamic was slowly changing, and that they were becoming more and more emotionally attuned to each other. She was growing ever more assertive, while he obviously appreciated and reached out to her in his vulnerable moments (like his phone call to her when he was alone and worried about Eun-young, and her knowing that he wasn't OK). Javabeans mentioned that despite Seung-yeon being a decent person, she's a crappy secretary. I'll go a bit further than decent; Seung-yeon is a WONDERFUL person. Her EQ is through the roof. But as a secretary? Yeah, she's rather crap, which is disappointing. I had hoped that her trajectory would focus more on her professional growth as well, with her earning Jin-soo's respect for her work, and not just his friendly affection. Unless there's a time jump wherein she turns out to be the Most Professional Professional To Ever Profess EVER, I'm not sure that they're planning to work in her growth as an independent, self-sufficient woman, and that is sad. Oh well, I guess we can't have two Eun-young's in one drama, hey?
I actually think the healthiest "romance" in this drama is between Seung-yeon and Dong-wook, but the writers and PD have made it very clear that At This Time, Seung-yeon really isn't that into Dong-wook (poor gorgeous darling). I don't know if she will be later, but I like the fact that she has been written to have the autonomy to not like the seemingly perfect, sweet cutie just because he likes her. Still, I do wish she'd let him feed her some meat once in a while. And I don't mean that euphemistically. ;-)
I've forgotten who said this, but my new favorite ship is JS/Halmeoni. That was so beautiful and funny. Seung-yeon's halmeoni is the BEST EVER, and I can't believe that he sneaked a peak at his manhood and made him miss him mark while he was using the toilet! Bwahahaha! The first time I watched their scenes it was for laughs, and the second time through I was touched, because it seemed pretty clear to me -- again -- that for all his pretense of bad-ass independence, Jin-soo needs love. He needs to be mothered. He needs to be overpowered by someone who will force-feed him their love and make him like it. The scene where his appetite came back and he started asking for more food from Halmeoni was really touching. Isn't there some proverb about orphans never being full because they can never eat enough to fill the emptiness left by their loss of love? It was nice to see someone offer (or force upon) Jin-soo a form of love that he couldn't refuse. What Jin-soo really needs is family. Seung-yeon had made good headway opening him up emotionally before she got herself fired, but she can't push him too hard. Besides, the filling of that kind of void shouldn't come from a woman who is being considered as a romantic interest, hence my hesitation to accept him with either leading lady. Like I've stated before, in my opinion, Jin-soo is incomplete. He needs to become a whole person emotionally HIMSELF first. Only then can he enter into a mature, healthy loving relationship with someone else.
Honestly, I'm still sort of hoping that Jin-soo has some exciting psycho mental issues on par with his emotional pseudo-retardation. That might explain why he writes such deep psychological thrillers, according to the what the announcer guy introducing him at the award ceremony said. Javabeans totally rained on my parade with her his-meds-are-just-for-fatigue-and-insomnia-I-KNOW-I-CHECKED shtick, so now I have to conjure up Crazy Jin-soo in my head. Ugh. UGH!
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153 Lahlita
July 3, 2010 at 8:20 PM
Off-topic : Javabeans, pray tell, what happened to the edit button? It seems that it ran away. Was it ticked off that I overused it?
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154 amg01
July 3, 2010 at 8:34 PM
@pipit..
I do hope for your sake that the way you describe the above scenario about the way the you would like for Eun Young to "Fix Jin-soo" with her "constantly overbearing self" is not the way you would go about trying to "Fix: the people close to you. Otherwise people will do the same to you that Jin-soo did to Eun-young; Kick you to the curve and drop you like a bad habit.
What part of being in a "Bad Codependent" relationship people do not Understand? That is the first mistake that a lot of woman made when in a bad relationship, to think that by some sort of miraculous way you can "Fix Somebody", well welcome to the cruel reality, most times we can hardly change our ourselves let alone, someone else.
I am also ( an incurable romantic), but smart enough to know that being in this kind of relationship can not only cost me my physical well being but also my mental one, but to each it's own!!!!!!!
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155 sleepy
July 3, 2010 at 10:54 PM
@Amg1
In order to have someone solve their issues, I believe it takes part self-reflection and part outside-influence. Everyone responds differently to their own issues. Some require more time with self while others need more help from others.
But in terms of how EY acts with JS, I'm not exactly sure Eun Young should be considered as "constantly overbearing" when it comes to JS. Sure, she forced him to write years ago...but I don't think JS was ever going to "figure it out by himself" by taking pills and getting drunk in a secluded room. Otherwise, she has shown that most of the time, she pretty much allows him to roam freely...to the point in which she turns "abnormal" to fit his "abnormality".
Of course, it is only until recently that she realized that she is having troubles emotionally copping with his insincereity and attitude--to the point in which she would rather be kicked to the curb rather than having to bear with his attitude and stuck in stillness (as demonstrated by the initiative of dissolving the contract).
But still, I don't think she is trying to "change" JS to make him a different person. I think she is just trying to help him move on from his depressing past...and she is doing it mostly from the standpoint of a good friend (she would try to help him even if JS were a girl).
Obviously, the way things are, nobody is going to enter any kind of relationship with JS. Since this is a drama, the hope is for JS to be able to resolve his issues sometime by the end of the story :p.
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156 Kay
July 4, 2010 at 12:01 AM
@ sleepy: Thanks for saying my POV!!!
Cant agree more ^^
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157 Chuck
July 4, 2010 at 8:27 AM
As an aside, the powdered lipstick look is a bit too much (for me). It looks like they mixed pink with powdered sugar... But at least it helps on the male actors; in previous dramas, the actors looked odd because of the heavy lipstick colors they wore.
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158 fifi
July 4, 2010 at 9:43 AM
@ Lahlita
Nicely put. Hurrah!
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159 Hannelora
July 4, 2010 at 10:52 AM
I wonder myself again. In Viikii for SJ/JS shippers, LeeJunKi13 posted like this
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Soompi ( Just Some details of the novel from a Korean forum (translated to Chinese by a baiduer and I translating from the chinese text)
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=818131935 (original text: http://gall.dcinside...845&page=1&bbs)
In the book EY and JS have one thing in common - they are afraid of change.
They like things to remain at status quo.
JS is shadowed by his past, so he doesn't like change.
His apprehensiveness towards change can be seen in his taste in coffee.
EY also thinks it doesn't matter if she and JS doesn't have a love relationship.
They can just get along like this forever.
She doesn't want anything to change between her and JS too.
It only applies to the relationship between the two of them and not in other aspects such as her career.
However, SY likes changes.
It can be said that she enjoys the changing process.
In the book SY is described as a very cheerful and caring person and potrays her development.
Without realising SY changes JS and gets along well with him.
Nearing the end of the novel, EY also tries to change the relationship between her and JS.
But EY misses the timing as JS is already changed by SY and they suit each other better.
So EY keeps her feelings to herself and decides to be just JS's good friend.
From ep 7 and 8 the drama began to show deviation from the novel. In 9 and 10, it's totally different.
Because the PD had caused the relationship between JS and EY to change.
"Not wanting to revert...not having that thought anymore...when people get along with each other after time, relationships will change", this sentence from EY implies the 'push' she made on JS, which is different from the novel.
In the novel, SY takes up the role of changing and guiding JS but all these are now done by EY.
So, the weight of SY's character (on her growth and progress between her and JS etc) has been reduced.
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I wonder again whether the writer is going to set the drama like the novel. Although I said myself that it is only the drama, I should not care who ends up with whom, because it is only entertaiment. But I cannot help myself to think about JS & EY. How poor she is with the broken-heart...JS will be happy at the end with someone else!
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160 darkice712
July 4, 2010 at 6:07 PM
The more I read about this drama, through the recaps, the more I realize that it is important to me who Jin Soo ends up with. I don't want to feel this way, knowing that I might be letting myself in for disappointment, but I do care. If I didn't care, I wouldn't be watching the drama in the first place.
So far, I like what I've seen. I totally understand Jin Soo's actions up till now, but I hope that he won't be too stubborn about change. He has held on to the status quo for two years, and he hit back when he realized that the women in his life were trying to change things. I'm excited to see what will happen next, but I hope the pairing I want gets the happily ever after, and I hope that there IS a happily ever after.
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161 firsttimenewbie
July 4, 2010 at 6:58 PM
@kay, I re-read it and before even reading your post I realized that would come up. I meant the memory was more of a happy memory rather than one where he is sad or longing. However, that was then. As he is recalling it, he is in a different mood. Considering the drama and all the high emotions he was dealing with at the time, he would not exactly be smiling as he thought of the past.
Think of all the other shows you've seen using flashbacks. How many of them remember good memories, while currently they are more down or have stuff weighing on their shoulders. Because of their current situation, they sometimes remember the older memory with irony.
Like I said, that's just my take on the memory.
Also, I don't deny that there are times a bro/sis vibe to JS/SY. (But like I said before, a few times his teasing is definitely not something brothers would do.) Which is one of the reasons I wouldn't be so definite about them getting together.
How I look at it is mostly now @Lahita and @amg1 look at the JS/EY relationship. It is a beautiful relationship to watch on screen. A beautiful relationship with lots of depth and feelings. But not something that I see working out as a romantic relationship.
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162 Miaka-chan
July 4, 2010 at 10:09 PM
@ 50 rainbowstar
I know ^^;; just because someone ask some good comedy serie, i can't help myself to recommend some LOL. Also because if that continue like that here for Coffee House post the ''vibe'' will become too dark so try to relax the atmosphere here. So i do recommend some serie drama funny for all waiter Coffee House episode 11 ^^ ...let's try to go a bit away from Coffee House and attack with explication when the episode 11 aired ...really soon o.o few hours and it's come episode 11
Bonzai!!
@ 60 Hannelora
Leejunki-chan do post that because someone do read the novel and write a review or something like that. I'm agree with her in Viikii and it's go in a same line that we analyse in viikii SY/JS tread. Also i do sense something like that also in Coffee House. I will write a same thing i write in Viikii...
EY/JS will love each other but the love they have will be to heavy to support and going to kill them like that... [that is only my own analyse so please accept with a open minded] JS and EY don't like change, but do SY like change? SY presence do change people around her and also one a explication that her senior, DW and her ex-boyfriend was fall in love with her....
I would not copy paste all my analyse in viikii or soompi but i do find my analyse have some proofs so it's can possible ^^
* again my analyse can go wrong also so nothing is sure but i'm confident ^^
Seung Yeon & Jin Soo Hwaiting!
Miaka-chan
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163 pipit
July 4, 2010 at 10:52 PM
This is might be off topic but I just want to share what a friend of mine said when she called and asked me what I'm up to lately and I told her I'm getting really attached watching CH. This is our conversation:
Her : Is it good?
Me: It's really really good. Otherwise I would stop at episode 1. Go and check it now.
Her (while watching episode 1) : Is that the girl?
Me: Which one?
Her: The one with short hair?
Me: Well, I don't know yet. But I like the other girl.
Her: She's ugly. And she looks too stupid to my liking. (please don't get mad at me for not editing what she said). The girl in personal taste is stupid too, but not like this one.
Me: There's other girl in awhile.
Her: That one? She's increadibly beautiful.
Me: Yes. That's the one that I llke.
Her: No, I'm not watching it.
Me: But why?! I told you it's really really good. You've got to see it. It's not like other KDrama.
Her: Told you I don't like the girl.
Me: But we don't know that yet! And we're already at episode 10 now!
Her: Tell you what. You watch it. And let me know what you think afterward.
Well, that says a lot about KDrama doesn't it? She just has to see the first episode to know that SY will end up with Jin Soo.
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164 anigeek89
July 5, 2010 at 1:11 AM
Seung-yeon is kind of an annoying character to me. But i am confused as to whether its the character i dont like, or the actress playing the character.
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165 Kay
July 5, 2010 at 1:30 AM
@ Pipit:
haha
The conversation of you and your friend is funny
Yup!!! It's the impression of the Kdrama give us in general
Tell you what? CH is not ordinary K-drama.
At this point, I am very possitive about our couple is the OTP
I know you hate spoiler
But what if some spoiler that make you happy??? hehe
** erased**
I change my mind ^^;;
Becaue... you'd enjoy it more w/ o knowing ahead<3
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166 momosa
July 5, 2010 at 6:50 AM
Wow! the discussions are getting longer and longer....
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167 Kay
July 5, 2010 at 7:25 AM
@Pipit:
I took it back , that it'd make you happy ... I am not sure now
I still believe that EunSoo is the OTP, but I was so sad at the end of today Episode
Their acting were awesome!!!
** go off crying**
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168 Hannelora
July 5, 2010 at 7:29 AM
Here is the post in Vikii- Coffee House Spoilers
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Posted by anushunmuga
Ep 11 spoiler
EY looks at the contract in disbelief and asks the driver to turn back. SY is seen crying still on the stairs. She gets up and walks off.
EY arrives back at the building but there's no one.
JS calls the company. Everyone thinks he's overseas but he's actually in Seoul. JS asks for EY. He says he's coming in. The staff are happy and feels it's the last chance for things to go back as it is.
EY and grandpa sitting outside! Man in suit appears! It's lawyer park. JS comes and sees them..tries to walk past but JW catches him and drags him behind the wall.
JW starts saying nasty stuff and thinks highly of himself again haha..JS doesn't really seem interested until JW says the guy is like ja jang myeon lol..JS asks why is he saying all these things to him. JS is simply can't be bothered haha. JW tells him to 'test the situation'..JS goes and greets them. JS says he will wait in the office. The man in suit says he's JS's fan!! And he asks for a lunch date hahhahhaa!! He keeps holding JS's hand!!
The staff tells EY to please hold JS back.
JS tells EY he finishes the draft. EY asks why he fired SY because she feels bad. JS says it's nothing to do with her. EY says why are there so many foolish women around him. JS has a look on his face when he hears that.
EY is reluctant to sign the contract. "Should I just spill the coffee and forget about this?"
But JS steadies her cup and smiles at her. With shaking hands and in tears she tries to sign the contract. JS wipes the tears falling on her hand and a tear drops on his hand. EY puts up her cool front saying she must have love money this much. EY excuses to get more coffee while JS looks at the tear and broods...*heartbreaks*
EY photocopies the contract and says finally this A-B relationship has ended. They shake hands and JS says he will vacant the office by this weekend. JS's last words are advice to EY to make sure of the lawyer's background first (with that joking face of his).EY's staff goes to collect the keys from JS. Realised one pair is with SY.
Scene switches to SY making coffee in the cafe. A customer praises her coffee is good.
DW is playing board game with her family. SY asks if it's ok for a manager to be here.
EY's staff calls SY for the keys. SY says she will pass to DW. She asks for the whereabouts of JS. She's happy to hear JS is in Seoul and gets his address (he's working/staying in an office in a Uni)
SY goes to look for JS. SY says she has something to say something but JS stops her because it's a waste of time to hear. He says without her he can still write his book. He doesn't need a secretary now (he sprouts a whole list of reasons why he won't employ her back which is too fast for me haha) and shuts the door.
SY squarts outside his office waiting for him. She tells him it's not about wanting to be employed but JS only gives her 30s which is obviously not enough. He rides away on his bicycle and she chases (I am sorry but SY is annoying me now).
JS stops and SY comes panting. She asks for 30s but he gives her 20s. She takes it.
She apologises (a timer appears on the screen) and apologises (with reasons) and makes it in time. He's kinda taken aback that there's all she wanted to say. He asks for the point? Everything has happened and the contract is broken. SY says the heart changes of cos. If he knows she's sorry, woudln't things be broken. JS has that 'touched' look again and he gives her 10 more seconds. She says she's sorry that she can only fulfil her role in sharpening pencils and translating the textbook which she didn't do it well. JS goes in but looks back at her as she squats and catches her breath.
JS works alone and as he uses the pencils. He thinks of SY's words, takes a beer from the fridge. The beer spills on his hand and is reminded of EY's tears.
EY (wearing the clothes in train station scene) and DW in the cafe discussing about something. Lawyer appears and asks EY for lunch (he's really oily). HAHA the staff comment he's even more oily than JW!
JW goes to find JS at the Uni on the pretext of having lunch tgt.
JW brings JS to the restaurant where EY and Lawyer are eating! WAHAHHAH
JW says they have to check on the guy haha. They go over and greet them. EY is surprised. Lawyer seems happy to see JS haha..4 of them sit together.
TENSION!! (JW is super hilarious)..JW burst out laughing at Lawyer's name (Park Kyung So)...JW says it's a comical name haha...Lawyer says it's the first time he heard such a comment about his name.
EY's looks can kill JW haha..
EY goes out andcalls Hyun Joo to come and find her (get me out of here!!)
The 3 guys talk..with JS looking very awkward. Lawyer doesn't really like JW haha..
JW ASKS LAWYER IF ANYONE SAYS HE LOOKS LIKE JA JANG MYEON MUAHHAHHA!!
Lawyer excuses himself to take a phonecall, leaving JW and JS alone.
JS tells him to stop doing this. JW says JS doesn't like that Lawyer too so they should help EY. JW suddenly walks off and EY comes in! JS apologises for them crashing in.
EY asks why did he introduce JW to her. What's good about JW? JS replies he's thick-skinned.
EY says she dated JW because it's a person that JS introduces to her, so she thought JW would be a great guy. But she realised he didn't put much thought when he did that. She had thought too much. Quite a relevation for JS!
Showdown between JW and Lawyer in the toilet. JS comes in to try to break up the fight but JW is too stubborn. JS gets pissed off and punches JW. EY waits in the restaurant.
JW and JS fights outside!! With the lawyer watching them and telling EY over the phone. JS runs over and grabs-throws the phone away before able to tell EY their whereabouts.
THE FIGHT SCENE WITH COWBOY MUSIC WAHHAHHA!
JS is bleeding so badly =(
"What senior! I never thought of you as a senior!"
(waiting for fight scene to end)
JS starts sprouting out his inner emotions. (nasty stuff about JW)
And finally about how much he regrets introducing EY to JW.
The two boys are exhausted out. JW looks for ja jang myeon haha..
JS thinks of SY's words with EY in mind.
JS gets up..JW is taken aback thinking JS wanna continue fighting but JS sprints off!
Goes to the office. Staff are shocked to see his bruised face. Asks for the book SY translated and sees the post-it notes she made. He is surprised.
JS calls SY (what the???). JS rebukes her why she wasted time translating that book. SY says he didn't stop her. JS says he must crazy. JS tells her to come tell him 7 reasons why he should employ again, if she wants to be a pro. SY smiles to herself.
JS goes to look EY but she's out. They told him she's going somewhere out of Seoul and is at the train station. (Lawyer's there too)
JS calls EY and says it's because of EY he kisses her. That night on the rooftop was a lie. But he still has to leave her because of HS. Looking at EY is equivalent to as if HS is alive. He says it's an illness. EY says so if JS leaves her he can totally forget about HS. EY understands now. JS will give her the draft cos it's hers.
EY wonders if before she dies can't she see JS's 100% sincerity. Even if just one minute. JS say one minute can be longer than 10 years. He hangs up, leaving EY puzzled
HE SPRINTS!! And gives her a hot KISS!!!!
After the kiss, EY says this is 100% real right? Then it's enough. Trains pulls off and the two are separated.
Preview shows many scenes of SY and JS, even SY staying over at JS's place. Lastly another farewell from EY to JS
thanks to(axerine_1)
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Now I wonder myself about ep. 12. It seems that the drama turns to JS & SY couple.....Because the ep. 11 transfered a lot of information about JS & EY.. I am very nervous right now, because the kiss between EJ & JS takes place so early as we expected...
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169 Jayheary
July 5, 2010 at 8:45 AM
@ Hannelora:
Thank you sooo sooo much. You're the best!!!
Oh no!!!!! I don't want Seungyeon and jinsoo to end up together!!!! Asdf;gkhj:
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170 Lahlita
July 5, 2010 at 9:49 AM
Guys, Javabeans doesn't watch ahead of a recap. She dislikes spoilers, and she dislikes the discussion of them. She has mentioned this in several recaps, AND in her most recent podcast. Her recaps are so tailored to her audience because she reads our comments, and she always takes care to address our questions and clear up our confusion. Put spoilers in the comments, and you may have ruined the next episode for her. She does so much for us, so let's respect her wishes and not drag ANY information from later episodes onto the comments section of a recap, not even if it there are spoiler notations all over the place.
For anyone who's interested, the Coffee House thread at soompi is an incredibly informative, if sometimes overwhelming, forum:
http://www.soompi.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=337712
You may need to register to read stuff, but it's certainly a useful site if you need to be on the bleeding edge of information.
I hope I'm not overstepping my bounds. I just have a very vested interest in keeping the creator of this site happy, especially when she's clear with her wishes.
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171 Hannelora
July 5, 2010 at 10:55 AM
@71 Lahlita & Javabeans
I am very sorry, I did not know that Javabeans hate about spoilers to put in her blog.
I will not do the next time.
Anyway, I love the recap of Javabeans a lot.
Sorry for that.
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172 Hannelora
July 5, 2010 at 12:12 PM
I have just looked ep. 11 without sub.
It is clear that EJ like JS because JS introduced him to her. And JS got married to his wife because EJ introduced her to him....
The kiss is really hot. However, it seems that the relationship between EY & JS is going to end. I am not sure, but it looks like that.
I do not know about SY. She wants to be a pro, but her feelings is towards the boss...How she a pro be in this situation.
I am very disappointed if JS changes his love to SY in the next eps. It is very funny for me. Now I feel that I waste my time to think about the drama. It makes me a little stress..haha...This drama does not seem enetertainment! Because I have tried to guess what hapenes in JS's heart.
Anyway if JS's heart changes, I hope he can leave EY as soon as possible so that EY can begin with the new happy life without him.
It is very funny for three guys fighting due to EY. But it is also ruined her blind-date, gives her the hope.....but then, probably breaks her heart if JS goes to SY.
Now I wonder myself what for I have a look this drama. I promise myself, the next time, I will see the other full eps. dramas, so that it is funner, and more entertainment....
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173 song4u2
July 5, 2010 at 12:17 PM
@73 Hannelora
You did it again.?????
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174 Hannelora
July 5, 2010 at 12:37 PM
@74
Oh, I only write down my opinion after seeing this film in @73! This is not from spoilers, it is only my THOUGHT.
If it cannot permit to write my opinion in the new ep. before the recap of Javabeans, I will not write anything again in order to respect her wishes.
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175 amg01
July 5, 2010 at 1:52 PM
@Hannelora, Girl!!!!! How many times that we need to tell you that this post it's about "EPISODE # 11 ONLY" if want to comment and spoiled, "Please Go to the "OPEN THREAD" section and write till your hearts content, I have already watch epi 11 and read spoilers around the web, but out of respect for JB and the rest of the people here I do not comment until she post her next recap!!!!
Please we are not trying to be "RUDE" to you, we are just asking to "PLEASE" Follow protocol and make it easier for the people that have not watched episode 11. Thank you for your understanding!! : O }
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176 amg01
July 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM
Sorry Episode "10 only", man I m so frustrated that I am confusing my numbers!!!
Peace to all!!:0)
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177 okdubu
July 5, 2010 at 2:29 PM
at the very end of the episode with jinsoon took off his glasses:
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l53sm2lGhr1qb2ddko1_500.jpg
i nearly had a heart attack.
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178 okdubu
July 5, 2010 at 2:33 PM
jinsoo* orz
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179 Miaka-chan
July 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM
@ Lahlita
Je peux te poser une simple question? Tu es aussi dans Soompi, à ce que je vois, mais je ne sais pas qui tu peux bien être ^^. Sinon, si tu le veux, envoie moi un pm dans soompi ^^. Enfin j'aime vraiment ce que tu as écrit ici et je voudrais en copier certain partie dans viikii le topic de la secrétaire et l'écrivain. J'aime aussi la pair de la mamie and de l'écrivain, ne sont t-il pas cute ensemble ^^. Enfin, j'ai regardé l'épisode 11 et j'attend juste que Javabeans poste son recap pour en écrire plus sur mon couple adorable de la secrétaire et l'écrivain. Vive Coffee House !! Je me demande toujours combien d'épisode nous avons pour Coffee House -.-;;
@Amg1
Don't worry, our favorite couple is still there and now with episode 11 ..let's waiting for episode 12 ^^
Episode 11 was excellent now waiting for Javabeans recap ^^
Seriously, O.O I'm really impatient with episode 12....oh well..
Miaka-chan ^^
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180 Lahlita
July 5, 2010 at 7:22 PM
@ Miaka-chan
Salut, ma chère! Ouai, je suis Cloak-and-Dagger dans Soompi, et je t'ai envoyé un pm. Mais, il y a quelques semaines que je n'y vais pas. Soompi me fait peur. :-) J'aime mieux dramabeans. En tout cas, il me fait plaisir que tu aimes ce que j'avais écrit ici. Et bien sûr, tu peux en copier dans Viikii si tu veux. Hey! Tu est ici, dans Soompi, ET dans Viikii aussi? Wow! Merde, Miaka-chan. Tu es obsédée par Coffee House! Ou peut-être tu as trop de temps libre! LOL! Ah, excusez-moi. Il me faut rire en français. Mdr. :-D
I haven't seen episode 11 yet because I'm still waiting for English subs in Viikii. So I probably won't be able to watch it until after work tomorrow since I have to get to bed now. In fact, I generally try to stay away from spoilers, hence my not visiting Soompi for several weeks now. But thanks to that epic spoiler post up there, I pretty much know what happened. Blargh. Anyway, time for beauty-sleep. Bonne nuit, ma chère!
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181 Miaka-chan
July 5, 2010 at 7:44 PM
@ Lahlita
MDR!!!!!! Ma chère, je suis entrain de te répondre dans soompi quand je vois que tu m'a déja répondu ici ^^. Je te réponderai plus en privé car cela n'a pas de sense si jamais je te réponds ici ^^ . Mais non, mdr, je n'ai vraiment pas aussi de temps que tu penses. Je fais d'habitude le survol du site, dans soompi ou viikii. Cela me drague vraiment ce série, je ne peux pas dire que je suis accro comme certains ici, mais quand même je suis passionnée de ce série. Le fameux ''vrai couple'' de ce série, PD en mets l'emphase vraiment pour nous mélanger pas à peu près. Cela commence à peser pour certains personnes. MDR mais pas pour moi. Je suis toujours pour mon adorable secrétaire et l'écrivain. ETK, nous verrons bien cela demain...l'épisode 12 hehe
Je te répondrai plus en détail dans Soompi. ^___^
Miaka-chan ^^
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182 pipit
July 5, 2010 at 8:24 PM
Poor Jin Soo.....
Is it even possible for my already breaking heart to break into another million pieces?
JB please hurry up! I'll be back with the second part of Jin Soo's feelings in your next recap.
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183 Fan
July 5, 2010 at 11:13 PM
@Pipit
Love your passion though I doubt the writers would choose _that_ melodramatic a route. (BTW, if you read mandarin you should check out the JS/EY shipper comments at Baidu, you’ll find people with even more dramatic speculation about JS/EY than you, e.g., fanfic/speculation about the symmetric case of EY marrying JW for JS and JS marrying HS for EY.)
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184 Hannelora
July 6, 2010 at 12:41 AM
@ Amg1 , Lahlita, song4u2
I am a newer of this website. I did not know some rules.
Thank you for your reminding and the others.
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185 Atsirk
July 6, 2010 at 2:18 AM
OK. I'm a Jin-soo/Eun-young shipper!!! Wahahaha...I'm loving KJH even more!!!
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186 glacierkn
July 27, 2010 at 6:13 PM
JB, I'm so glad you're unraveling and explaining Jin Soo's mind to us. I was also so frustrated with his attitude--just when I thought he might warm up...wham, he rebels against kindness! But your thoughts about him and his autonomous personality make complete sense.
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