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Life Is Beautiful cuts out gay vows, angers writer

SBS’s weekend drama Life Is Beautiful is perhaps most notable for the gay couple at its center, played by Song Chang-eui and Lee Sang-woo. The October 23 broadcast, however, edited out a key moment for them that has brought on a flood of viewer complaints and has angered writer Kim Soo-hyun, who, by the way, is one of the most well-known and respected drama writers in the country.

The scene that should have been aired features the abovementioned couple, Tae-sub and Kyung-soo, speaking their commitment vows to each other in a church. The two had just attended the wedding of Ho-sub (Lee Sang-yoon) and Yeon-joo (Nam Sang-mi), and take a quiet moment to speak their devotion to each other.

Apparently the Jeju Island church where they filmed the scene voiced a complaint and requested that filming be halted. They asked for the producers to remove all dialogue from that part, after which filming proceeded wordlessly. Producers had intended to air the scene as filmed but the result hardly had the intended effect.

The 67-year-old Kim Soo-hyun spoke out her disappointment on Twitter, writing, “I had thought a church was a place where even a murderer could hide without being kicked out, but I suppose I must have read too many novels and watched too many movies.” After the broadcast ended, she wrote, “It feels like my face has been wiped with a dirty rag. The flow and rhythm and timing were all a mess.” She also uploaded the script to show how the scene was intended. (Translation below.)

Some viewers also voiced their anger, pointing out the hypocrisy of stations having no problem airing adultery and other makjang content, but balking at a positive portrayal of a gay couple vowing their love to each other.

Here’s the script excerpt as posted by Kim:

The doors of a church open, and Kyung-soo and Tae-sub enter holding hands. Looking at each other… still holding hands, Tae-sub leads Kyung-soo inside…

Kyung-soo – [Looking at Tae-sub, he quietly follows]
Tae-sub – [Stopping, looking ahead] “…It’ll be okay [to go inside] even if I’m not religious, right?”
Kyung-soo – [Looking ahead with him] “I think so.”
Tae-sub – “I was envious of Ho-sub.”
Kyung-soo – [Looking at Tae-sub] …
Tae-sub – [Standing face to face, he holds out his hand wearing the ring]
Kyung-soo – [Takes the hand wearing the ring]
Tae-sub – [Two hands clasped] … [He looks at him]
Kyung-soo – [Looking back] …
Tae-sub – “…I… am praying.” [Looking ahead, with hands held]
Kyung-soo – “Try it out loud. If you don’t like it, I’ll redo it for you…”
Tae-sub – [Opening his eyes, looking forward] “Until the day we die…”
Kyung-soo – [Looking back]
Tae-sub – “Let us be forever… That’s my prayer.”
Kyung-soo – [Looking at him] “Then I won’t have to redo it… I feel the same way.”
Both – [They embrace quietly]

Via OSEN, My Daily

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the excerpt is beautiful, I bet the scene is as beautiful.

Even though I can see why the station did that, I can imagine how disappointed the writer was.

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Arww man, why'd they have to cut that, it seems so sweet - even reading made me tear up a little :)

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me too!...i adore this couple

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It sucks how Korean network station views gay people. As an American, I love this show and only watch because of this couple and their developing relationship. How Taesub is opening up more. As I finished watching the past wknd episode, I did remember the script stating that after hosub is to marry they will have a civil or so ceremony w taesub uncle doing the honors.

My point is I think there are lot of gay couples in hiding but i guess Asian world is not ready to open up to them. Watever happened to "Frozen Flower" that showed more skin. This couple has yet to "poopoo(kiss)" but they can show more than that w Frozen Flower!

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I can understand why a network decides to go way one rather than the other (that is, airing content about a same-sex couple is risky), but what is so shocking is the attitude of that church. It felt like being punched in the gut. I know that some religions condemn homosexual behavior (and heck, I hear that day and and day out living in the country that hosts the Vatican within its geographical borders), but it still feels...wrong. Why oh why am I still surprised when things like these happen?

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Honestly, I feel the same way. Being pretty religious myself, this really ticks me off. It shouldn't matter that being gay is considered a sin (even this...as time goes on i understand less and less...how can love really be a sin?) A church is supposed to be open to anyone and everyone-regardless of who you are or what you've done. No one should EVER be kicked out, and that is why feels so wrong- because it IS wrong. Though I've never seen this show, I do feel bad that they missed out on what seems like a really sweet scene. Some churches need to learn to follow their own teachings....

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"A church is supposed to be open to anyone and everyone-regardless of who you are or what you’ve done. No one should EVER be kicked out."

So you don't think, say, a child rapist and murderer shouldn't be thrown out and taken away by the police? What is wrong with you?

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Churches have historically served as sanctuaries for even the most egregious offenders. At the core of Christianity is the belief that only god can judge. As a result, the clergy - especially the Catholic clergy who receive confessions and must uphold the secrecy of these confessions - tended to counsel and guide those who've confessed these sins to turn themselves into law enforcement.

So, the person and the sentiment you're criticizing are in keeping with what has been the traditional stance of the church. And I'd dare say the spirit of Christianity (the account of Jesus shielding Mary Magdalene from being stoned).

While I am not by any means actively religious and am actually an atheist, even I find your tone troubling.

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EVEN A MURDERER SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO TALK TO GOD
before the police come.

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I'm not saying that criminals should be exempt from prison because they go to church. But when i said that no one should be thrown out or turned away from a church because of who they are or what they've done, I was not excluding the criminals either. It is our belief that God loves every person unconditionally and would never turn anyone away. His doors are always open to everyone, and so ours (the churches) must be as well. That is why most prisons offer services to the inmates. Christianity is SUPPOSED to be a religion of love, forgiveness and non-judgment...it's just an unfortunate thing that it is so often opposite of how things actually are

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@tokyojesusfist
*speechless*
No, Tokypjesusfiat the question here is what is wrong with you . The gratuitous display of stupidity, ignorance and bigotry makes me question whether you should be classified as a homo sapien.

Omo! Did I hurt your feelings by not calling you a homo? So sorry. But see the word homo means human and I highly doubt you have developed that far.

"So you don’t think, say, a child rapist and murderer shouldn’t be thrown out and taken away by the police?"

How did you manage to butcher logic so thoroughly in one sentence? You just committed the logical fallacies of false analogy, irrelevant appeal, ad hominem, and argument by innuendo. Bravo!

So, since you committed a crime against logic; I am charging you with four counts of butchery thereby I think you might be a murderer and should not be allowed to hide in a church when the police comes to take you away.

See, how stupid that sounded? That's exactly the argument you made, only more so since I at least at least attempted to imply you are a criminal, where does it say that this homosexual couple ever committed a murder or raped a child?

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Oh Viola! Those words!
If I weren't so allergic to it, I'd start a new religion with you as our goddess.

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How is that equivalent to homosexuality. Though, actually, I have more problem with the church than the station. I'll assume they did it for quality reasons... I mean, the scene without any dialogue couldn't have been very impressive. Really, I suppose no matter what the movies portray open positive homosexuality is still a problem.

But I shouldnt be surprised since Americas the same. You'd think we'd be sex positive from our movies and shows. Not so.

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anais: "At the core of Christianity is the belief that only god can judge."

There is also this phrase: "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s."

Viola: "The gratuitous display of stupidity, ignorance and bigotry makes me question whether you should be classified as a homo sapien. "

Because I think a child rapist and murderer should be thrown out of the church and handed over to the authorities, I'm an ignorant bigot who does not qualify as a human? Lol, go fuck yourself you piece of shit. And then kill yourself.

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All right, folks. Keep it civil or I'll start deleting.

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@tokyojesusfist

I never judged you. There is a difference between my mentioning in a very civil manner that your tone is offensive and calling you a bigot or whatever else you attributed unfairly to me.

Out of respect for this forum, I have been trying to be very civil and genuinely respectful. I hope we all - on both sides - can continue to engage in productive dialogue.

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@tokyojesusfist

Did you really just tell someone to go kill themselves? ... because what he or she said offended you? Really? Would that take care of your bruised ego?

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anais: "I never judged you. There is a difference between my mentioning in a very civil manner that your tone is offensive and calling you a bigot or whatever else you attributed unfairly to me."

What are you talking about?

Alice: "Did you really just tell someone to go kill themselves? … because what he or she said offended you? Really? Would that take care of your bruised ego?"

Did you really not read her post and understand its implications?

It's noteworthy how many users openly and passively support her. Then again, murderers and rapists on death row often receive fan letters and marriage proposals from women, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised or anything.

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@ Viola and the rest ... 6 months later
I don't know why all of you are jumping on tokyojesusfist here. He just expressed his opinion that churches shouldn't overprotect worse criminals like child rapists or murderers. In no way did he insulted anybody or imply that homosexuals are rapists or murderers.
It's Viola who started this first by implying him as subhuman. Even I cringed at her long ramble that "The gratuitous display of stupidity, ignorance and bigotry makes me question whether you should be classified as a homo sapien." Wow. In one sentence, you insulted a person who you do not know as stupid, ignorant, bigoted and a non-human entity? :shiver: He only stated his opinion that churches shouldn't overprotect criminals, which I bet there are branches of Christianity who would agree; that's why there are so many denominations in the first place - people disagreeing on what should be the core Christian beliefs.

What churches do is NOT serving as a gray alleyhouse for criminals to hide. But rather, a shelter where those people can feel that they still have hope and go surrender and repent for their crimes. Did you ever heard of any Father who does not encourage criminals to confess? Churches are safe harbors where one can return anytime from a long journey to reflect and decide what to do in the next step of the rest of their life. Not an underground escape route. There are people who take advantage of that, of course.

Churches have the right to refuse filming on their ground for whatever reason.
There are many denominations within Christianity; we don't even know which denomination is in question here. For all we know, it could be a small house of small branch of a small denomination of Protestants which we never heard of.

Churches can express their opinions differently and take a different stance from each other. That's why there are so many denominations within Christianity. Talking about Christian values and preaching in general is already a fallacy on your part in the first place. Tokyojesusfist never implied the homosexual couple are rapists or murderers. It was not illogical because it was never a reaction the core article but rather a response to a small part of a comment. That whole paragraph about logic, false analogy blah blah blah is already a butchery of logic itself in the first place.

People are too sensitive and over-react sometimes. Too quick to jump on boats, taking sides and be the righteous hero. :shiver: Still cringed at that whole rant of Viola on fallacy while itself being a fallacy.

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@Voila - I LOVE YOU.

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I second that (the loving Viola part). I'm not one to directly insult a person's character, just their act, but bravo nonetheless. X)

P.S. I'm not exactly sure if Viola did insult him/her as a person, but whatever. Most (if not all) of what Viola said rings true.... To me at least.

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"It shouldn’t matter that being gay is considered a sin... Some churches need to learn to follow their own teachings…."

huh? If the church considers homosexuality a sin then they did right by not allowing them to speak their vows at church, so they are following what they preach.

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As a non-religious person, I don't want to get too involved in debates about Christianity's stance on homosexuality, but I just thought I'd point out that it is often a little more complicated than just 'homosexuals=badforeverdie'

Think about the 'love the sinner, hat the sin' mentality that alot of, say, Catholics hold. The church preaches love and acceptance, no matter what - how people interpret the unconditional love vs. sinners thing varies widely. I think on issues such as this, there will be a lot of varying opinion even within this particular church about whether their chosen course of action was appropriate.

That said, way to gay rights fail, Show =[

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@ Elsie
I agree with you.

Is the church not allowed to voice their dissent of what goes against their beliefs?
So everyone else can say whatever they want to say - EXCEPT for the church? How is that fair in any way, shape, or form?

Have you people ever heard of freedom of speech?

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Y'all... Don't bait the troll.

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not just the Asian world....in America too! i live in America and there is SO MUCH HOMOPHOBIA

our country has alot of gay teens commiting suicide lately !!! have u not watch the news?

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Exactly. Have you seen this?
Inspiring!

http://youtu.be/ax96cghOnY4

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And also so heartbreaking...
Bravo, Councilman!

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I want to hug him. What a brave man.

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I watched this last week and it bought tears to my eyes.

I've watched quite a few of the It Gets Better videos and I think they are marvelous.
If they can give any young person hope in a seemingly hopeless situation, I am for it.

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This is so inspiring. It's so amazing that a councilman would expose his story like this, even though it obviously hurts so much to discuss

For ppl who haven't heard about it, this story (from Councilman Joel Burns) is part of the "It Gets Better Project" (http://www.itgetsbetterproject.com/) started by Dan Savage, in direct response to the growing number of GLBT suicides that have been occuring. The project exists for people to show their support for GLBT youth and have a venue to tell their story and to say "It Gets Better". The project was only started ten days ago but they have already surpassed the community video limit on youtube (650) and is currently sitting at about 1000 entries - including videos from Barack Obama, Ellen Degeneres, Tim Gunn, Neil Patrick Harris, Jay Manual, many other celebrities, and many other normal everyday ppl

They also have a pledge that you can sign to show your support (which I just signed :))

You guys should check out the videos right now - though you might wanna bring a tissue box ^^;

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I also love this show and the plotline of a gay couple inside of a tightknit family is one of the highlights. However, as a fellow American, I think you do the "Asian world' a disservice. Even in 2016, gay rights are not a complete given. A show like this airing in 2010 would have had almost the same reception: accolades and love from the people who identified or empathized, threats and boycotts from those with no clue.

Regardless, though, this is a show I think I will watch over and over again.

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what's wrong with Kyung-soo and
Tae-sub's vow?
it's not even violating...
it's really sweet and touching!!
One of the things I love most about the drama is about of love between these two!!!

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what's wrong with Kyung-soo and Tae-sub's vow?
it's not even violating...
it's really sweet and touching!!
One of the things I love most about the drama is about of love between these two!!!

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I can't even, guys. I just...I feel like the writer. I can't even say anything else right now.

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i can only imagine how beautiful this scene must have been...it sux that just b/c its something gay related, this had to happen, i mean really WTH was so wrong about two ppl expressing their love...wat a slap in the face to the writer

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Omg... I just read the excerpt and I cried... totally up there with Lan Yu and Brokeback Mountain...

@Niam... Frozen Flower is a movie... it is restricted and there was nudity and passionate lovemaking as well... you have to pay to watch...its just... different to compare them...

This is drama... its on free to air tv station...
I think the station is just bowing down to the controversies... its totally understandable that the writer feels "violated" that her writings are cast aside and make do with such an editing...

I guess this is business afterall... sigh...

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I really wish that I had started watching this earlier...50 episodes is a lot to catch up on! :( it looks like a really compelling drama-especially for a daily! And song chang-eui is so cute! Also much props to the writer for posting the original scripting off the scene-it was really sweet but I guess korea and most of asia, or churches, to say the least, are ready for that.

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*are NOT ready for that, I meant.

Sorry, it is Monday ;)

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it's actually 65 episodes. life is beautiful was given an extension

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So that was in episode 58 that Tae Sub and Kyung Soo were written to be having a perfectly touching commitment in the church. But, sadly, it turned out that the scene had been cut. I'm gonna burst into tears...

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I was brought up Catholic, but left it several years ago (I have no religion whatsoever now). Only thing I can say is, I could understand where the church is coming from in this situation. Majority of them still believe in heterosexual coupling and union. Although we want them to be more accepting, we can't really impose. They should have tried going to another church where they will allow.

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The Church is against adultery too but that never stopped a network script. Anyway as someone who has enjoyed the show ( I think it is great, and they are only one of 5 couples which is exceptionally well written) Props to the writer for
putting her script out and not being totally bullied by the system.
Public opinion is the reason so we all need to stand up for our beliefs as the Church stands up for its.

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I grew up Catholic, and still believe in it a lot of the teachings. The only difference is, I define myself more as a Christian - believing in love, forgiveness, etc. But not everyone who is Catholic (or Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc) believe that homosexuality is something bad. Some of us crazy religious folk out there actually believe that love (whether same-sexed or not) is no sin, and a personal choice that should not be condemned. Last time I checked, the number one Commandment Jesus gave was "Love one another".

*sigh* I hate getting preachy. Sorry. I rarely talk Bible (as in, one in a Blue Moon). So.... I'll just squeal now at the cuteness of the couple. KYAAAAAAAAAA!

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when you say you define yourself more as a Christian- more into love and forgiveness, etc
are you implying the catholicism is NOT like that?

uh, Catholics are Christians too. The real name for what people usually use the word 'christian' for is Protestants.
Catholics are actually the 1st Christians.

Also Catholics tend to be a lot more liberal than most Protestant Churches. All the way up to the Vatican doctrine and common teachings.
For example, Evangelicals are the ones that are a lot more strict and condemning, and because they take the bible literally they believe evolution should be banned in schools.
But there's just some tight and harsh judgments on the Catholic Church that hasn't been accurate for a long time.

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Nah, I'm just saying Catholicism is just a way to practice Christianity. People make this assumption that Catholicism is a religion all it's own when it isn't. That's why when people ask me what my religion is I say I'm a Christian. When they ask what denomination, I say I'm of the Catholic Church. Easy beasy.

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Kinda late but: Uh... Catholics were not the first Christians. The first Christians did not identify themselves as "Catholics" but simply as followers of Christ... Christians. Lower case "c" "catholic" which translates from greek to "universal" was not used to describe Christians for several generations, and somehow it eventually gained the upper case "C", probably when someone got the bright idea to make Christianity more "structured" and make the first ever Christian denomination. Because that's what Catholicism is, a denomination. And eventually Catholicism ate most of the Christians up and dominated Europe with behind the scenes (or in front) politics and since most people couldn't read, they didn't know that there was anything before the Catholic church, or that what they were teaching was the Bible "tweaked". Bravo the printing press and Luther. And since this is the topic: In real life, if a church realized someone was committing a sin within the sanctuary (adultery, murder, sexual assault etc) they would try to stop it (one would hope). If they didn't realize, the sin would still occur. If a show was being shot where someone was sinning in church (refer above list), if in the show fictional members realized it they would stop it. But if the fictional church members didn't realize then it would still occur, the real life church members would 99.9% still let the scene air in that case. Because that could really happen. Thus the scene should have been left if there were no "fictional church members" to stop it. If there were "fictional member" in the scene supposedly condoning the sin occurring right in front of them, then the real members would have had a right to stop the scene. I don't know which is the case, but in conclusion: if the two characters were supposed to be "secretly" taking vows when no church officials could see, then yes to the scene; if openly taking vows in front of officials, then no to the scene.

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Sorry, but the greatest commandment is "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength."

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Yeah, but his number one concerning how we should treat each other is love thy neighbor, also known as his 2nd commandment that follows the one concerning God.

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I makes me remember what happened in my country that is supposed to be ``open minded people`` but we are all fake. I remeber one soap-opera that had a gay couple, everyone loved them, they holded hands and all. And the scene when they would finally Kiss, the Tv station just cut the scene out!!! Without warning the writer, and the director of it. The cast and the writer were angry and sad. The actor said something like this ``We did this scene 5 times to make it good but in the end they didn`t`showed this and made our hard-work wasted`` But at least they showed us something. Like they almnost kissing and ta-dam cut. LOOOL. And the writer before it was so happy saying that finally our country was beggining to be open minded and all.. what a shame. The Korean one was worse. I bet they used the church excuse to cut it out... I still remember the topic that dramabeans posted about the mothers who wanted this scenes to stop because their sons could turn in gay.. lol what small minded people...grrrrr

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I'm glad there are viewer complaints up there to back the writer complaint! I hope that Jeju Island church feels ashamed of itself!

since it's sounds like such a beautiful, quiet moment, I hope they put this part in, in another scene - even though it won't have the same intended effect

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Wait...I thought the problem was that the _church_ didn't want them filming that scene in there and so they couldn't use dialog, and the wordless staring at each-other version wasn't nearly as effective, so they cut it. Isn't that what happened?

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I'm not sure since the article said that the wordless scene is not effective and also said something like the station balks this scene to be aired

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This type of situation is not unique to Korea (such institutions exorcising forms of censorship when least expected).

A similar instance comes to mind. There is an excellent Chilean drama by the name of "Romané" ("Gypsies") in which a Catholic priest falls in love with a Roma woman. The town in which it was being filmed would not allow the production to use the beautiful, historic wooden church as the central parish for the priest unless the story did not go so far as to have the priest marry her. (He does leave the priesthood, however, because of his feelings.)

It's interesting to note that when the drama was remade in Mexico (as "Gitanas"), similar restrictions were not imposed!

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I feel like that's a completely different scenario though, because the storyline violating canon law and therefore goes against the institution of the catholic church. So I can see why the church maybe offended and refuse to partake in the filming. It's the equivalent of filming a scene with a pregnant nun in a church.

But here the church, a place that is meant to open its arms to everybody, is uncomfortable and unwilling to tolerate the DEPICTION of open gay men within its doors.

This has come on top of the mothers' union ad stating “If my son becomes gay and dies from AIDs after watching ‘Life Is Beautiful’, SBS must take responsibility!” and the barring of the show from airing in prisons, since you know, it'll incite homosexuality.

Oh Korea, you have so far to go.

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"mothers’ union ad stating “If my son becomes gay and dies from AIDs after watching ‘Life Is Beautiful’, SBS must take responsibility!”"

Are you serious? I feel as if I've somehow been transported to early/mid 1990s America. Do Koreans really still think of AIDS as primarily a gay disease? Um, I believe the first diagnosed case of HIV infection in Korea occurred between a hetero couple.

Sigh.

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they even published it on newspaper - -"

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OMG, when I saw that article, I was going to die. I'm not Korean, so I'm not completely versed in the culture. But I asked my husband, who is, if people are that crazy there. We were just reeling over that stupid article. I honestly can't believe people are that stupid and closed minded.

Perhaps they should think, if their son becomes gay, he probably shouldn't have put that dirty syringe into his veins...

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Someone should ask those same mothers why they gave birth to a 'gay' son because there's is the belief that gender identity is in the genetic make-up of a person, as well as in the environment nurturing the fetus, i.e. the mother's womb.

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America has so far to go too!

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"This has come on top of the mothers’ union ad stating “If my son becomes gay and dies from AIDs after watching ‘Life Is Beautiful’, SBS must take responsibility!” and the barring of the show from airing in prisons, since you know, it’ll incite homosexuality."

I can't believe what I'm reading. This is so asinine that it doesn't make any sense what so ever. Where is the logic?

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As touching as the scene may have been. The fact is that probably the church was not told that this scene was in the works. Once these actors leave the church they are leaving the pastor/priest of that church to deal with their congregation that might not have wanted their sanctuary (which is considered holy in many denominations where God's presence is) to be used in such a manner. Regardless of how touching the scene is.

It's nice to be open minded but why must we be close minded to people that really believe in their faith? As long as they are not going out of their way to kill you or moving politically to block people from marrying let them be? Now I wonder who are the persecuted?

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I've read all the comments and I think many have misunderstood Christianity and churches in general. Without getting into the debate of whether homosexuals are born 'like this', I would like to respectfully suggest to @stupid church to read the Bible,not just select portions but the whole.While God is loving, accepting and willing to forgive when His children go astray, He is not a mindless Being who looks on with a benevolent smile when they go against His teachings and harm themselves because of their disobedience.

And while I do not judge and point fingers at homosexuals because I am open to the idea that they may have been 'born' with it,I do believe homosexuality is a sin.And if I can be open to such an idea as a Christian,I do have to wonder why Jeju Island Church's stance is being vilified when they too are just exercising their faith and rights.It does beg the question that @tooizzy posed.Who are the ones being persecuted?

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Oh dear. I've read the Bibe. Front to back. You really don't want to start using it to back up your argument, otherwise you're going to have to explain why we don't still put people to death for working on Sundays or for blaspheming or for cursing their parents or I could go on and on and on... Let's not even get started on what the Bible has to say about rape and women in general. You can't pick and choose. Either every word in there is Gospel truth or it's about interpretation, and that explains why there are plenty of Christians who HAVE read the whole Bible and have no problem reconciling their faith with homosexuality.

And, btw, by saying that homosexuality is a sin and therefore homosexuals are sinners, living in sin, you ARE judging/pointing fingers. Just like I am by saying that you are a bigot and an ignoramus for believing such rubbish.

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Lotte, I love you!

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Moi aussi!

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Hah! The Bibe! I have, in fact, NOT read the Bibe, but I HAVE read the Bible. Just so that's clear!

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You are misunderstanding it too.

Yes, I believe that homosexual behavior is a sin. But we all sin.. it's not judging.. it's simply being human. We all struggle with some kind of sin.

As for the Old Testament.. it shows how "evil" sin is. The reason that the punishments were so tough/inconceivable is simply punishment for what Adam and Eve did. And partly, some of the punishments would have made sense back at the time when diseases weren't treated and when the cultures were different. You have to take it in context. But mostly, when I read the Old Testament, I just get feel so thankful God sent Jesus to take away those punishments. That's what Jesus did on the cross.. so even though those rules where in place.. we as Christians now don't receive those punishments any more when we repent. It just shows how much Jesus takes away and how loving he was. I can't really explain it as well as I'd like.. but I hope my point is clear.

Anyway.. just because you don't like our religion or agree doesn't make us bigotted necessarily. I don't hate gay people and I think they should have the same rights as anyone.. I also consider them sinners, but again... EVERYONE is a sinner. So I don't believe they should be treated any worse than any other person. It's not judgment. Sadly, people (not just Christians) have a stigma about the relationships which I feel is unfair. But everything isn't black and white.

God's number one comand is to love one another as we love him, and I try to follow that.

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@Winsome and Laeah
I agree with you guys! Thanks for explaining it well.

@Lotte
To you, my belief may be rubbish but to me, it is called FAITH. I do not expect you to understand since not everyone can agree on everything.

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"I am open to the idea that they may have been 'born' with it, I do believe homosexuality is a sin."

Hi, Winsome, I was born gay. Did you notice there's no condescending quotation marks around born? It's offensive to me that you believe that what is an unchangeable part of me is a "sin" (see the quotation marks?). It's really ignorant.

But following along with your train of thought, riddle me this: If God has a hand in creating all people, and God does not make mistakes, why would he create *me* a gay guy? I guess even a loving, accepting, and forgiving God needs to create someone so that he can channel all his pent up hate, eh?

Christians get a bad wrap because of a rotten handful, I know a lot of them that are just are genuinely accepting and open, because of the above, because they believe that God does not make mistakes.

I am really proud of all the members of the DB community calling out all these failtastic commenters! It's great knowing that there so, so many awesome people! It's one of the reasons I love visiting the site and engaging in conversations with everyone. So, thank you guys!

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I've seen/read post from Dramabeaninans doing this, and it will be my first. So I hope you don't have the same reaction (flinching I mean) when I do this. *Hugs Mars*

I have that same belief that God creates all that is good, and that if God did not mean for it, than it would not be. (Okay folks, I know the counter argument to this, so don't try throwing it back at me, because I'll just counter the counter.) I'm what other people would call Loony Moony, but if being human, sane and sinless means judging others for the way they live, etc., than I'd rather run around howling to the moon in the nude and join a pack of wolves than be human. I'm just sayin'. Oh man, I got preachy again didn't I? *sigh* Anything that has to do with defending the GLBT community always gets me riled up and ready for battle (whether it be from the political, religious, ethical, perspective). If my future adopted kid (um yeah, too many siblings equals me not wanting to give birth) ends up being gay or bi, I want them to have everything in the world and be able to sleep at night knowing that their sexual orientation is not something to be ashamed of. I don't want any kid (or person who realized their orientation later in life) living in fear of the future.

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@ Ani *Hugs back*. Internet hugs are awesome and always welcome in my book. People who flinch also probably hate joy. Your comment has got me grinning like mad! So, yeah, DB community? Still pretty darn great! :)

@ Winsome: When you're commenting intent is unimportant. "Oh, I didn't mean to sound [x]" is not really an excuse for sounding [x]. As you can see quite a handful of people found your comments, and tooizzy's comments to be problematic.

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I just want to clarify.The quotation marks were not meant to be condescending or to even imply anything.I was quoting the words used by the person who commented before I did.I believe it was @tooizzy. :)

And there many other things I want to clarify but I'll leave it at that.Oh one more thing,I am more than aware of my failings as a human.Sin-riddled is my middle name.Trust me.That's why I chose to receive Christ and His grace.

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Sis??? Is that you?

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Seriously? SERIOUSLY?! You are actually comparing the persecution of homosexuality to viewers of a drama complaining about the petty actions of one church? Can I just remind you about the recent spate of young gay teenagers who have killed themselves as a result of homophobic bullying. But no, it's poor old organized religion that has it tough.

As far as I'm concerned, if your "faith" encourages hate and discrimination, it deserves all the criticism it gets, and more.

"As long as they are not going out of their way to kill you or moving to block people from marrying" - so any other type of homophobia is harmless? Rubbish. It is institutionalized homophobia that creates the sort of society where a 13 year old feels he has no other option than to blow his own brains out because he can't live with the bullying and teasing and cruelty, and like it or not, organized religion still plays a large part in perpetuating that sort of intolerance and ignorance.

If my interpretation of this missing scene is correct, all they were doing was exchanging private vows in a church - there was nothing legally binding, there was no-one officiating. Whatever it meant for the two of them stayed between them - they were not asking for it to be blessed or acknowledged by anyone else.

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Church. FAIL.

If you read the dialogue, the dialogue itself invokes the function of the church as a sanctuary.

Tae-sub – [Stopping, looking ahead] “…It’ll be okay [to go inside] even if I’m not religious, right?”
Kyung-soo – [Looking ahead with him] “I think so.”

The writer was inviting the church and actually trying to present the church as a loving entity. Instead, what happened is the reality of human anxieties, fears, and prejudices.

For those who are defending the right of the church and its parish members to uphold their beliefs, let them get worked up about this scene (a scene, a fictional account, a symbolic representation) after they commit themselves to ridding all the actual adulterers, the cheaters, the liars, the child abusers, etc. within their own congregation, denomination, their faith, and so on. Please, the hypocrisy.

The church loses would-be faithful members with these hypocritical, empty gestures that are more about symbolic pomp of the supposed righteousness of the church than about the actual, complex, messy problems that merit church attention.

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That was really well-written. I wish someone would award you with something!

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Ah, would be fabulous if that award were Moony, Yeorim, and Garang's eternal companionship. :)

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Would you take a Pink Heart instead? :)

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"It is institutionalized homophobia that creates the sort of society where a 13 year old feels he has no other option than to blow his own brains out because he can’t live with the bullying and teasing and cruelty, and like it or not, organized religion still plays a large part in perpetuating that sort of intolerance and ignorance."

So true. Not just the bullying either, but murder. Remember Matthew Shepard?

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It's wrong to say that only Christians are anti-gay or bigotted. Because non Christians can be just as anti-gay.

I, personally, am a Christian and I have not bullied anyone.. I also doubt that all those who bullied the poor kids were Christian.

It's unfair to say all Christians are one way simply because a minority or even majority act that way. Not all interpretations are right because people aren't perfect. People misuse religion. That has always been the case.

Since you have read the Bible.. I wonder if you have also read the passages of hope and love and generosity, because that, I believe is the true message. We are flawed... but we can grow with our personal relationship with God. Everyone has their own relationship. I don't believe I can judge anyone else, since I have sinned.

Sadly, many people don't understand this, even though they claim to be Christian. Christianity is not about hate. Hate it the opposite of what Jesus teaches us.

I feel for those children who died and I too believe that bullying is wrong.

But this is not a purely Christian phenomenom.

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Err, not once do I say that homophobia is a solely Christian phenomenon. Not once do I say that all Christians think that way. Not once do I say Christians bullied those kids. Seeing as I am, actually, a Christian myself, that would be rather shooting myself in the foot. My responses have always been directly aimed at rebutting specific comments and the points they try and make. Maybe you need to read my post again more carefully, because I have no idea what you think you've just read. It certainly isn't what I wrote.

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That's what is seems like....

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"As long as they are not ... moving politically to block people from marrying let them be"

except... they ARE blocking people from marrying. not just that, they're blocking people from filming a scene in which vows are merely implied, simply because that comes too close to uncomfortably resembling the institution of marriage. it's not a matter of being "close minded" to people who believe in their faith-- it's a matter of feeling indignant that it's apparently okay for people to be able to cherish their beliefs AND force their close minded ideals upon others at the same time.

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No, honey.
The production team did have the written permission and documents to film exactly what they intended to, but the church did a sudden turnaround.

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Thanks for the clarification. I had a hard time believing that the production would have gone so far as to set up for filming without the necessary approval. Why? Would have been a costly risk to take.

My guess as to why they must have not have shot the scene elsewhere is that, by the time the church reneged, the production probably couldn't afford to do so financially or time-wise, given how these episodes are shot to closely to their air time.

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" As long as they are not going out of their way to kill you or moving politically to block people from marrying let them be? Now I wonder who are the persecuted?"

But they are. I think there are 5 maybe 6 states in the US that allow SSM.

As far as "going out of their way to kill you," I find that sentence offensive as a human being. Have you ever heard of the Crusades? Did Hitler have the same mindset when he carted off Jews, Poles, Gypsies, Gays, mental and physically disabled "defectives"? I could go on and on here.

As for "who are the persecuted", I have heard this off and on for at least 30 years. It is my observation that Christians are no more persecuted than any other religion.

I suggest you Google, And then they came for me.......

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Okay.. once again.. The Crusades were a political power play done under the guise of Christianity and religion and have nothing to do with Christianity. Same with Hitler and the Nazis who committed those crimes.

I feel really offended as a Christian. Maybe you should read some history about how the church was run back then. It was more of a political control institution rather than a religion.

Political Christianity (anti-gay, anti-abortion, etc) has NOTHING to do with anything Christian. It all has to do with people using a organization to coerce members into believe certain things... Once again.. done by humans, not God.

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While you are right that the politicization of Christianity is distinct from Christianity as a personal faith, they are in some ways inextricable at the institutional level, especially in terms of the drama scene that sparked the debate here.

I personally don't believe that church officials who decided to pull the plug at the last minute are evil people. I believe that, as people, they must motivated by politics (small p, not capital P) - be it self-imposed or externally pressured. I do rue that they are sending the wrong message about Christianity, a message that does have material repercussions as this forum so clearly makes evident. While Protestantism aims to allow for an intimate relationship between the individual and God, the reality is that many people do blindly take the word of whom they regard to be God's representative. Until those who wield influence stand against wholesale institutionalization of bigotry (which, let me acknowledge, you and some other Christians are doing admirably here), those who criticize politicization of religion will continue to point to the failure of the institution to live up to its espoused ideals.

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I know.. but at the same time, I am a Protestant.. so I believe more in the personal relationship rather than the Church.

I do agree with you though. I just don't believe that politics have much to do with Christianity.. Give unto Caesar's what is Caesar's, Give unto God what is his..

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I agree that while ideally the church should have welcomed everyone regardless of their sexual identity, the content of the scenes should have been made clear to the church's leader, prior to filming. With adequate prior notice, maybe there could have been constructive dialogue with the congregation and filming the scene may have been possible.

(...We have quite a few members of our congregation who are gay, but I think that some feathers would have been ruffled if something similar had happened here. Not everyone is on the same page but we are making progress. )

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Are the 2 guys mating/making love in the church?Why censor it for gods sake...Gays don't choose to be gays, they are born like this and i thought God embraces all who believed in him..hmmm

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In the Bible it forbids homosexuality just like it forbids everything else that's a sin. So being a criminal/homosexual/thief/stealer or anything else sinful is all the same deed: a sin. Certain people in Christisnity took certain sins or consider them worse than others. Exchanging vows in the church is like a member of the church lying/stealing something. It shouldn't matter because no matter where you are you shouldn't kill, etc. :) but the church is "Holy" ground, the symbolism it presents of even 2 men even plotting a crime is just as bad. Anyways I have nothing against homosexuals just that my religion considers it a sin. They should be welcome in church, but exchanging of vows us different.

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@ stupid church & to the rest who have been ranting against the Christian faith.

Pls note that it is not only the Christian faith who condemns Homosexuality!!

HOMOSEXUALITY IS AGAINST THE ORDER OF NATURE!!

There has been lots of talks about Gay Rights, etc etc. What about the normal order that God planted on earth? Man together with woman procreate.

Example of homosexuality being against the order of nature?? Simple!! A gay relationship (i refuse to use marriage, marriage being a sacred union btwn men & women) does not bear fruit. Can man & man create a child or a woman & woman create a child. NO! Only man +woman can.

With the rising amount of gay activists, I think that we who are against against homosexuality should voice out our views as well.

Church is a sacred place of worship. God destroyed the cities of Sodom & Gomorra because of their immoralities (homosexuality & bestiality, etc).

I applaud the church in Jeju for standing firm in its belief!

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You make several logical flaws in this poorly constructed argument.

First of all, homosexuality cannot be against the order of nature if it is naturally occurring. I'm a gay woman, and trust me when I say: it is absolutely genetic. I in no way, shape, or form chose to be gay. In fact, I put a great deal of energy into "choosing" otherwise. It has taken me the better part of my adolescence and early adulthood to accept who I am, and I am still overcoming the effects of a decade of repression.

Secondly, any basic ethics class will teach you about the slippery slope you enter once you make broad generalizations like "Example of homosexuality being against the order of nature?? Simple!! A gay relationship does not bear fruit." Your procreation argument implies that infertile men and/or women (alternatively, women past menopause) should not be allowed to engage in romantic/sexual relationships. And yet I suspect you have absolutely no problem with heterosexual relationships that have no possibility of "bearing fruit."

I am not misunderstanding you; I'm deliberately deconstructing your argument to illustrate how flawed it is. I understand where you're going with this (not because you articulated yourself well - rest assured you didn't - but because it's an argument I've heard before). Unfortunately for you, there's a major logical fallacy inherent here. You're presupposing that the only purpose for romantic and sexual relationships is procreation. I'm pretty sure that most people would disagree, and as I've pointed out above there are a number of troubling details you're going to have to confront if you opt to travel down that road.

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1. The Bible teaches that adulterers should be stoned to death, and hence married men and married women who are in adultery should be stoned to death just as the Bible teaches that homosexuals should be stoned to death. Should the Bible be re-interpreted correctly?

2. The Bible teaches that any person who divorces his wife or her husband has committed adultery and should be stoned to death and hence any Christian who divorces his wife or her husband should be stoned to death just as the Bible teaches that homosexuals should be stoned to death. Should the Bible be re-interpreted correctly?

3. The Bible teaches that any bride who is found on the wedding night not to be a virgin should be stoned to death, and hence any Christian bride who previously had sex should be stoned to death just as the Bible teaches that homosexuals should be stoned to death. Should the Bible be re-interpreted correctly?

4. The Bible teaches that Jews can have slaves and can enslave the insolvent and prisoners of war and hence any Christian can have slaves and can enslave the indigent poor and other races just as the Bible teaches that homosexuals should be stoned to death. Should the Bible be re-interpreted correctly?

5. The Bible teaches that Jews can rape their females slaves and merely pay a fine or set their female slaves free and hence any Christian man can rape their female slaves and merely pay a fine or set their female slaves free just as the Bible teaches that homosexuals should be stoned to death. Should the Bible be re-interpreted correctly?

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This situation is a clear example of a "Catch 22", where you are doom if you do or doom if you don't.

A lot of you know my opinion concerning the used of the
"Gay" or gender bending issue in shows like ‘Sungkyunkwan Scandal’ I do find it offensive how it is used as a mere ploy for two heterosexual people to fall in love, in my opinion that is a way to cheapen the Gay/lesbian experience.

And now when a church applies their standards of belief upon a situation like this they are condemn severely, I find it very odd we condemn the church for their reaction, but we condone the producers of shows like ‘Sungkyunkwan Scandal’ for their offensive used of the homosexual experience that at the end do not help Gay's and Lesbians in Korea but along with the church set them back from receiving "Equal Justice" under the Law and under the Church Cannons!!!!!!!!!!!

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A lot of you know my opinion concerning the used of the
“Gay” or gender bending issue in shows like ‘Sungkyunkwan Scandal’ I do find it offensive how it is used as a mere ploy for two heterosexual people to fall in love, in my opinion that is a way to cheapen the Gay/lesbian experience.

One of my non-straight friends thought the same thing about Coffee Prince, so I see where you're coming from. :)

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While I understand your point and definitely agree to an extent, my (perhaps vain) hope is that shows like SKKS and Coffee Prince ever so slowly open the way to more honest and real depictions of homosexual relationships. I'd like to think that they play a part in opening people's minds to possibilities. I know it's frustrating and, well, fucked up, that people can't just get over their own prejudices and ignorance and deal with the fact that some people are gay and wow, are actually happy being gay, and that these people deserve to be represented on television and in film just as anyone else does. But I do think that SKKS for example has been quite sensitive about making the point that Sun Joon's feelings for his 'male' friend AREN'T wrong. Or maybe I'm just more idealistic than I realised!

I am, though, still waiting for the day we get a reverse Coffee Prince/SKKS where boy falls for girl only for it to be revealed that, dun dun dah, SHE is actually a HE after all! And then they live happily ever after because they realise that love transcends all! But for now, eh, baby steps?

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"I am, though, still waiting for the day we get a reverse Coffee Prince/SKKS where boy falls for girl only for it to be revealed that, dun dun dah, SHE is actually a HE after all! And then they live happily ever after because they realise that love transcends all!"

Ha! That'd be awesome. The Crying Game (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104036/), Korean drama style!!

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"... that shows like SKKS and Coffee Prince ever so slowly open the way to more honest and real depictions of homosexual relationships"

Why? Why does Korea need these kind of storylines, their "fabulous diva" idols in every K-Pop boy group and flower boys (kkot minam) in so many dramas but CAN'T ACCEPT this already perfectly honest and real depiction of a homosexual couple in Life is Beautiful?

Double standards, y'know.

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But that's precisely why they need these storylines - because so many people are still massively ignorant/intolerant when it comes to homosexuality, as can be seen from some of the reactions to LiB.

I'm in no way saying these types of stories should be the ONLY presentation of homosexuality (god forbid) or that they should give up on ACTUAL gay storylines, like in LiB, but that every little helps - the more visibility homosexuality gets on tv/in films, the better, even if most of it is still only in subtext or faked to create heterosexual tension. It's nowhere near perfect or ideal or even adequate, but I'll take whatever I can get! If show writers can get real and honest depictions into their mainstream shows then glory hallelujah there is still hope, and I really do hope that more try after the example set by LiB, but my point is that as long as there is still this sort of censorship, ANYTHING that increases the visibility of homosexuality in a positive way is a good thing.

Does that make sense? I'd take LiB's gay storyline over Coffee Prince every time, but if we're only allowed one actual gay relationship on tv per blue moon, then I think the Coffee Princes and SKKSs of the world could still play a useful part.

As for the k-pop idols/pretty boys - as much as fangirls like to fantasize about OTPs within their groups, etc. I still think a large number, sadly, would be horrified if it turned out their idols actually were gay. The hypocrisy, it reeks.

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Those girl-mistaken-as-a-boy stories are also metaphors on the social limitations/restrictions on the lives of women in Korea.

What I dislike about them is how, after it is revealed the girl is actually a girl, she suddenly goes all feminine and IT ISN’T why the boy fell in love with her in the first place. This typical storyline ends up with the girl in make-up with long hair so that the order/stereotypes of society are re-established. The boy goes along because he is so relieved not to be gay.
I actually think it cheapens the ALL the variety of desires that people can experience: life isn’t all gay and straight, boys and girls – there are lots of people and desires in between these 2.

Can I say how much I love Javabeans for existing and allowing k-drama fans to have super-evolved discussions. Who says pop culture is for dits?

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"But for now, eh, baby steps?"

I wonder how long it will take for humans to see each other as human beings and not as something they can label. Been waiting a long time and sadly, I don't think I will ever see it in my lifetime. Sigh

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This. Sometimes I just want to disown the human race. It's why I like dogs better than people!

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Yeah.. I would agree, except that in history.. women have had to dress like men in order to be able to do things that women were not allowed.. So yes, sometimes it's a cheap ploy.. but it does have historical reference.

I think it's silly in the modern times dramas.. because really.. what girls run around like boys? But as for SKKS, or Painter of the Wind (sp?) I think it does have context.

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I totally get what you mean about crossdressing shows and how they treat homosexuality as a plot device in order to prove how 'true' the couple's love is. And its just sooo true, because it's also hetero, and therefore socially acceptable. Bleh.

I actually kind of like SKK Scandal though, I mean its defs not perfect, and it still plays on this old, offensive trope, but at the same time, it has Yong Ha - he's got this open sexuality (and total chemistry with Jaeshin) which you barely ever see in a TV show. If they focussed more on his character/backstory, and went the whole way in making him someone with a believable, alternative sexuality, that would be awesome. The fact that he seems be shown to have feelings for his longtime friend - real, actual feelings, and is completely ok with having these feelings, is pretty damn sweet in itself. I mean sure he's flamboyant (=gay stereoptype), but he uses his flamboyance to hide his true feelings and schemes and just generally be awesome.

I hope I'm not the only one reading him as a Gay/Bi character beyond the 'omg Yongha/Jaeshin fanfic sqee' deal.

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Reading this, I can only think about Yong Ha`s wise words: “It’s a sin to hate, but how can it be a sin to love? No matter who it is.”

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I want "like" button in this site :)

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like! :)

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Adultery is a sin, but I know we're not talking about that. Hehe... :-P

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Love this!

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This. SO much. This!!!!

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LURVE!!

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Bravo! I am awarding you the Pink Heart on behalf of the Yummy Faction. ♥

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:) <3
I feel really honored. In the name of the Moony Faction , thank you.

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lol....yes moony meia gets wxtra love form yummy faction

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<3 :)
I feel honored. In the name of the Monny Faction, thank you. :)

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Viva Moony-Yummy coalition! :)
Bromance or just romance, they are LOVE!

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Truer words were never spoken. :) And VIVA SKKS!!!!!! May there be Season 2.

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lol! I am guessing you have caught the JSV, have you progressed to the HIASETETBG stage yet?

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Yes, I`ve caught JSV, and I don`t want to be cured :).
Feel so stupid, but..... what is HIASETETBG???

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Oh my fault! Please don't feel stupid!
I wrote this fake news article on the last OT about a global pandemic of SKKS virus, and HIASETETBG ( hell, I am shipping everyone together, even the bad guys!) is the last and most fatal stage of the disease! ;)

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I think..... I`m almost there.

No, wait..... I`m there. :):):)

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Jae Shin + Yong Ha = loyalty, trust, friendship, faith, bravery, courage, understanding, support, camaraderie.. all these comes down to L-O-V-E.

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“It’s a sin to hate, but how can it be a sin to love? No matter who it is.”

I agree.

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OMG thank you for quoting THE goo yong ha!

i LIKE this so much it hurts (my face from smiling and my belly from laughing so hard!)!!

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the show can just make it up by redoing the scene, like filming it in any place that is NOT the church (cause i agree, no matter what you believe in you can't just go in a church to film something that goes against its beliefs)... maybe kyung soo's apartment?

come on sbs, korea, you can still do it!

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yea but i think we are past the episode of his brother's wedding after which said scene was supposed to take place...i wonder why they couldnt just set up to look like the interior of a church?

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what is weird is ho sub and yeon joo didn't even look like they got married in a church, just a wedding hall. >_>>>>

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That's so..narrow minded, ugh. :/

I'm not religious, but one of my best friends goes to a church (I don't remember which denomination, but it's Christian) that is very open and accepting of any and all who enter. There are several gay couples and gay singles there, and some of them have even have children together (adoption, artificial insemination, etc). Of course, she lives in NYC, so that might have something to do with it.

Still, I just don't understand how anyone in this century can see love between two men or women as bad or unnatural.

The first gay/bi/non-straight person I ever met (that I knew of then) was in high school. When he came out, none of us were particularly surprised or even really cared -- he was still our friend, and we still loved him. When one of my female friends came out as bi, and then later as simply gay, we accepted her too. I live in the Bible Belt, and all of my friends (except me) were born and raised here, and even growing up amidst people telling us that homosexuality was wrong and sinful, we knew better and accepted each other for who we were. (The gay guy's parents blamed me for his gay-ness for some reason, as if sometime during our Latin classes I had sat down with him and talked him into converting because I liked the idea of having a gay friend so much. Because that makes sense.)

In college, roughly half of my friends were gay or bi. Two of the girls didn't even subscribe to such simple definitions of sexuality and used other terms like pansexual and others I don't remember; one of them I'm pretty sure is going to end up getting a sex change in a few more years. My best guy friend was gay, and I loved him not because I could talk to him about boys or could hug him without worries, but because he was a wonderful and interesting person.

One of my aunts (by marriage) is a lesbian, and ended up divorcing my uncle and taking their kids. She now lives quite happily somewhere in Florida with their three boys and her long-term girlfriend, and my cousins are growing up fine and happy and, as far as I know straight. Obviously growing up with two moms hasn't "corrupted" them any.

I don't really know where I was going with any of that, but I'm just..annoyed. Well, more than annoyed, but I don't know if I can adequately express my feelings in words.

I'll never be able to understand how anyone could deny other people their basic right to happiness. The thought that my friends won't be able to marry their significant others one day (most of them are single, but the girl from high school is in a deeply committed relationship with her girlfriend from college) or that my aunt can't marry the woman who helped raise her sons honestly makes me want to cry and throw things against the wall.

So, yeah. I've rattled on long enough, so I'm going to end simply by saying: countries of the world, get your act together. I'm watching you.

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I want a like button too. like! :)

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I feel so angry after this news. How can I believe in God's love if the very institution of God is denying people of their right to love. I'm disgusted at the hypocrisy....

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Well, I believe homosexuality on TV is a bit too soon for South Koreans... Even in France, homosexuality is not quite common, so I can't imagine what it is in South Korea O.O (French accept homosexuality between men but not really between women. Don't ask me why, I don't know). They would be shocked by the number of gays in Spain haha :P!
But really, if they knew there would be a gay couple in the drama, why did they bother to broadcast it if they weren't going to do it until the end??? That's stupid!
Plus love between a man and a man is love as well!!!
I'm soooo angry at society!!!
OK, filming the scene in a Church might not have been a good idea (it's barely acceptable in countries in which homosexuality is not that shocking so...), but what is done is done...

Come on, let the drama go on as the writer wants it to go on...

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Tae-sub and Kyung-soo are the only reason I watch Life Is Beautiful - these two are mega-adorable.

I thinks loads of Koreans are not religious or simply mildly religious.
But some have bees in their bonnets and they scream the loudest against any progressive change and give the impression that Korea is still stuck in the last century.
They are a miserable lot. Epic Human Fail!

I'm hoping for a truly secular world: I want nothing coming between me and my fondness for m/m slashness or love.

p.s.:very touched that viewers showed their support for the gay storyline- it warms my heart and gives me hope.

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"I thinks loads of Koreans are not religious or simply mildly religious.
But some have bees in their bonnets and they scream the loudest against any progressive change and give the impression that Korea is still stuck in the last century.
They are a miserable lot. Epic Human Fail!"

Ditto.

Just an anecdote (not necessarily meant as PROOF of the superficiality of Korean faith). A Korean churchgoer recommended that I go to church to promote my business. I balked. I remembered from my childhood Sunday school teachings that Jesus threw out all those money changers, etc., doing "church-related" business at church. When I mentioned the reason for my reservation, I got a very cynical response from the churchgoer. Made me sad for those who do genuinely believe.

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me too
They're the only reason I watch this drama and now I'm totally in love with the couple

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the scene sounds very beautiful. It's a huge pity that it wasn't able to make the broadcast...

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From the perspective of 'respect' as demonstrated by the two sides, i.e. the couple and the religion, the couple certainly respected the religion enough and thought highly enough of a 'god' to want to make their vows in a sanctuary and in front of the entity.

It seems that the same level of 'respect' is not reciprocated by the religion.

Mankind seems to have much greater problems than to care about how people love each other.

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`Mankind seems to have much greater problems than to care about how people love each other.`

So sad and so true.

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"It seems that the same level of ‘respect’ is not reciprocated by the religion."

"Mankind seems to have much greater problems than to care about how people love each other."

I totally agree.

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The truth is the majority is not prepared yet for such thing and shoving them with such scenes will not make them any more prepared and accepting of homosexuality.

Well, at least not in South Korea...so we just have to move on despite being disappointed and everything...

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I respectfully disagree. More scenes like this, more storylines like this are PRECISELY what South Korea/the world needs. Although there are many reasons for homophobia, ignorance does play a large part. Because homosexuality is so "invisible" in SK, people can go on believing the rubbish that they've been told/inherited because they're never actually confronted with the truth. The more visible homosexuality is, especially as it's portrayed in LiB, the more people will gradually come to accept that gay people are just like everyone else - they're not monsters, they're not boogeymen, they're not perverts. They're just people: flawed, complicated, normal. Like it or not, people all over the world are heavily influenced by what they see on tv. To break the cycle, the media (and this applies to every country) needs to stop ignoring homosexuality, to stop perpetuating stereotypes and playing into people's prejudices. Of course it's not a magical antidote to homophobia (or to racism/sexism/any ism), but I sincerely believe the more shows like LiB there are out there, the more progress will be made in opening people's minds. If we wait for them to be "prepared", we may be waiting for a hell of a long time!

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I question the use of the word "shoving" for the extremely supremely rare depiction of gay love in dramas.

I wished they were "shoved" upon me more often.

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Yes, often change that's gradual tends to last longer... BUT guess what! At that rate, slavery would still be legal in the US. Segregation would still be legal in the US. Women still couldn't vote in the US. All the result of "shoving" and provoking and ACTing UP (yes, intentional reference, for those who get it) by progressive folks who knew that sometimes a leader ought to do exactly that: Lead.

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I agree with the writer's twitter about the church.
It feels so bad to see the church's action.
I'm so sad and very sorry for KyungTae and homo in Korea.
Two innocent people who love each other can't even just vow their commitment.

If it's just because of the church, production crew should change the location.
why don't?
-because it's not only the church but also the station
-no enough time (the drama is airing while filming)

I still strongly want to see this scene
I'm sure will be one of the most beautiful scenes of this drama

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What I can say is you would feel life is really beautiful
when you watch "life is beuatiful" It teaches us about genuine love and acceptance.When the parent found out that his son is a gay, instead of being upset.They ask for his son forgiveness.. for letting him in the loneliness for so long in this difficult path that he has been taking.. You will just realised it is just love between two human beings.. whether is heterosexual or homosexual...

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yes yes!! It really was.
Tae-sub mom cried and asked for forgiveness
Then she accepted it and they were happy

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I'M GLAD the gay part was EDITED OUT. This drama should not be airing in the first place. HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN!!!

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i dont even know what to say to you right now!

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No, sweety, the way you think is a sin.

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I agree

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like!

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I already gave you a heart, would like a cookie? :)

But don't tell Brookeve that these cookies are th special ones that she "makes" for me. I absolutely don't give them out, but in this instance I think you deserve most extra-special cookies! ;)

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