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Playful Kiss: Episode 12

I won’t lie. This episode was not easy to recap. I don’t have stellar expectations for this show to begin with, so I’m usually easy to please when it comes to Playful Kiss. Be cute. The end. But this episode left me shaking my fist in the air, and wanting to revoke Ha-ni’s membership from…being a GIRL.

 
EPISODE 12 RECAP

Mom asks Seung-jo to move back home and stop giving Ha-ni such a hard time. Seung-jo tells her that he left precisely to get away from her attempts to control him. He notes that she never asked him what he wanted when she brought Ha-ni back into the house, bringing Mom near tears.

After he leaves, she frets that he’s left home to discover his own path, but nothing has actually changed in his life. Dad tells her to wait it out for him to figure things out on his own.

Min-ah and Ju-ri come by for lunch, telling Ha-ni about a high school reunion, complete with a school-uniform dress code. But, didn’t they graduate, like yesterday? Ha-ni gets weak in the knees thinking about Seung-jo back in his high school uniform.

She finds him at school to tell him about it, and he brushes her off coldly, saying that he doesn’t know who came up with such a childish idea, but he’s not interested. Ha-ni mumbles to herself as he walks off, “How can I possibly know what’s in that head of yours?” Yeah, you’re not the only one who’s wondering, as the comments in this thread’ll tell ya.

He hears her and turns around to give her the stink eye, and walks off.

Mom suggests a scheme to get Seung-jo to the reunion. Gah, this is why he’s running away from you. Maybe you want to give the scheming a rest for a while, till he stops pushing Ha-ni away because of your “plans”?

Ha-ni gets dressed in her old school uniform, getting nostalgic for the good old days, even taking out her D-minus love letter and remembering it fondly.

At the event, Ha-ni rubbernecks around for Seung-jo, finding him sitting alone in his regular clothes, complete with sour look of disdain. She heads over and he coughs up her house keys, completing his mom-assigned task with little desire to humor her further. Although it does make me wonder: if you hate being controlled so much, then why do you always do as she asks, knowing exactly why you’re being asked to do it? Not that I don’t know the power of the Korean Mother’s Request For Favors. They’re not requests—they’re thinly-veiled commands from up high, couched in social graces. It’s like if Noriega used words like “please” and “thank you.”

Ha-ni tries to get Seung-jo to stay and have some fun since he’s here anyway, (grabbing his wrist) but he shakes her off and leaves curtly. But not two feet away, when his classmates greet him, he joins them at a table, smiling and chatting like a person not made of inorganic metal parts.

Unsurprisingly, his friends from high school are the cream of the crop smartypants boys from good families, who all went to Taesan University, where Seung-jo missed his interview that day. They see Ha-ni across the aisle and assume that they’re really dating now, making her smile. But Seung-jo, still angry, and well, being Seung-jo and all, flatly denies it, saying, “I don’t keep those sorts of things [girlfriends].”

Ha-ni glares and pouts, then stalks away, and Seung-jo clocks her every move. You passive-aggressive little snot.

At the gathering, Bye Bye Sea gets introduced as Bye Bye Sea, now having officially become a band after high school. While they play, Ha-ni notes that Seung-jo is brooding in the corner, lost in his thoughts. He’s angsting over what to do with his life, now confronted with the fact that his classmates have all chosen majors while he’s still undeclared, and they suggest that he simply rest on his laurels and inherit his father’s company.

The next time Ha-ni looks up, he’s gone. She takes the coat he left behind and heads home, wondering what was on his mind.

Seung-jo heads to his apartment, stopping outside to think over his father’s wishes for him to follow in his footsteps, and Ha-ni’s suggestion that he become a doctor.

Ha-ni shows up behind him with his jacket, (which he totally left there on purpose, subconsciously) asking him to unload on her: “They say that if you share something bad it splits in half, and if you share something good, it doubles.” He smiles at that, and as Ha-ni waits expectantly, he gets up to announce his decision: he will be going pre-med.

Well, duh.

Ha-ni is shocked, though, not knowing of course the extent to which she influences him. He just makes her promise not to say anything to anyone yet. ‘Cause that worked so well last time. She watches him walk away curiously, breaking into a smile when she realizes that she’s the only one on this planet who knows this about Seung-jo. Oh, the power of secrets.

Kyung-soo is planning a Top Spin ten-year anniversary party, and in order to get He-ra to attend, the other club officer (a great side character who I wish we saw more of) tells him to just get Seung-jo to come. For that, he needs Ha-ni, naturally. She doesn’t want to keep using Seung-jo as bait for He-ra, but Kyung-soo pleads with her, and sends her literally into Seung-jo’s path.

She tells him that his dad went to the hospital today for a check-up, and Seung-jo heads home to see the results. He reads the chart and deduces that Dad needs to watch out for his heart health. Mom cuts Dad off from sweets or fried foods, making him pout like she cancelled Christmas.

Ha-ni arrives at Dad’s restaurant to find Joon-gu hard at work on his first official dish that’s going to be served to customers. Dad praises him for his talent and dedication, making Ha-ni see him in a new light. Well it’s about time! She stares at him intently, saying that she’s only known him to be a slacker, but this is the first time she’s ever seen him do anything so diligently. Except love you? But you wouldn’t know about that.

Duckie’s made her a lunch spread fit for kings, and I’m having serious food envy right now. He’s on pins and needles awaiting her verdict, and she takes one bite…”DAEBAK!” Duckie pretty much dies of happiness right then and there.

At school, Ha-ni approaches He-ra with some trepidation, but she asks if she’ll be attending the Top Spin party (No) and whether she’s picked a major. One-track mind, this girl. She’s concerned that He-ra might follow Seung-jo all the way to med school. He-ra, in a surprising moment of clarity that makes me respect her, laughs at Ha-ni’s silliness, saying that she’ll choose her major based on what SHE wants to do…because it’s HER life.

Thank you! Finally a girl with some sense! I know, I normally love to despise this girl, but here she’s a great example for Ha-ni, who’s got some serious growing up to do, in this respect. But then to set the world back on its proper axis, He-ra finishes it off with her trademark condescending bitchiness, petting Ha-ni on the head like a child. Ha-ni frowns as she watches He-ra go, admitting to herself that in this one way, He-ra’s pretty impressive. I certainly hope it encourages you to ask what YOU want to do with your life…other than love Seung-jo, that is.


She runs into Seung-jo on campus, and tells him that He-ra, all of her friends, even Duckie, are all figuring out what they want to do with their lives, but she…isn’t. Well then shouldn’t this be lighting a fire under your ass?

She tells Seung-jo that she does have a dream. It’s to…be his nurse when he starts a little medical practice somewhere. Or to be a stewardess if he becomes a pilot. Or a caddy if he becomes a golf pro.

THUNK. That would be the sound of my opinion of you…dropping so far into the Earth’s core that it came out the other side.

Seriously? What in the WHAT, now? Did you really just say that your Big Life Plan…is to follow Seung-jo around for the rest of your life and be his assistant, his secretary, his token lackey? Why the FRAK did you go to college to get a first-rate education, then??

VOMIT.

I’m ashamed of you right now. I know it’s harsh, but that’s the truth.

Seung-jo smiles and tells her that she’s got unrealistic goals, but they’re her dreams, and very Ha-ni-esque ones at that. He pats her on the back and tells her that the unreachable dreams are ones fighting for.

He gets called home by Dad, who pitches a fit at finding out that he’s chosen to be a doctor. Yeah, that’s not unrealistic at ALL, Show. Dad is heartbroken over Seung-jo’s flat refusal to inherit the family company, so much so that he actually has a heart attack.

Oh, GOD. Really, Show? We’re just careening off the deep end today, are we?

Needless to say, Dad’s stress-related heart condition is enough to get Seung-jo to go in and help run the company in Dad’s absence, and move back into the house. In an amusing bit of meta, the second he walks in, the two women in the office swoon and call him Yonsama. Haha.

Ha-ni relishes playing the housewife (sigh) to Seung-jo while the parents are in the hospital. Eun-jo whines about the abundance of inedible food at the dinner table, but Seung-jo doesn’t make one complaint about her horrible cooking, and eats it, knowing how hard she worked. Okay, that’s adorable.

She calls Dad to ask him how to make an egg side dish, and Duckie overhears that Ha-ni is packing Seung-jo’s lunch. Seung-jo reluctantly takes the lunch that Ha-ni made after hearing that she woke up at the crack of dawn to make it, and smiles when he opens it up.

Duckie comes in, having tracked Seung-jo down at the office, and hands him a new lunch, one that he made instead. Seung-jo lets Duckie run off with Ha-ni’s lunch, since well, he saved him from having to actually eat it. Heh.

Duckie sits in the park with Ha-ni’s lunchbox, eager to taste her cooking, despite his mood sagging when he sees the heart-shaped food. He takes a bite…and wonders if Ha-ni actually hates Seung-jo. HAHAHA.

Seung-jo sits up late that night, and tells Ha-ni that Dad isn’t doing well, and he’ll probably have to undergo surgery. He’ll have to stay at the company, and give up his med school dreams.

Ha-ni tells him that he can’t—it’s the first time he’s ever found something he’s wanted to do. He can’t give that up. But Seung-jo is doing the dutiful thing, and even though he doesn’t enjoy working for his father, he knows it’s the right thing to do. Ha-ni reminds him of his graduation promise—to have fun. Seung-jo says that he’ll have to sacrifice that in order to make others happy (the other half of the promise).

Ha-ni sweetly back-hugs him, knowing that it’s all she can do.

At school, He-ra deduces what Seung-jo is doing to help his family, and goads Ha-ni about not being able to do anything but follow him around and say empty words. That spurs Ha-ni to get a job at the company, and follow Seung-jo to work. Gah, I’m getting really tired of this same plot pattern being used over and over again. It’s the same dynamic and nothing changes.

Seung-jo meets with a potential investor, who takes a liking to him instantly, so much so that he asks for Seung-jo to meet his granddaughter. What, now you have to prostitute yourself for Dad’s company? This is going to a weird place. Did we step into a different drama?

Seung-jo shows up to the blind date, and who should be sitting there? Why He-ra of course. Who didn’t see that coming?

COMMENTS

Well, it looks like He-ra’s pulling out the big guns, but I’m pretty sure this is the move that’ll get her black-balled. I mean, Seung-jo isn’t exactly the corporate-merger-arranged-marriage type. I foresee some angst for Ha-ni, who is faithfully taking care of Seung-jo at home. I’m pretty sure if I were doing that much cooking, I’d be pissed that he was getting his kicks elsewhere with the she-witch from Whoville.

I’m so glad that Duckie has turned a new leaf, and has become passionate about something other than just loving Ha-ni. Note how it’s at that moment that Ha-ni starts to see him differently. That’s exactly what I want for Ha-ni too—to grow and become her own person, find her own dreams and desires. Because right now I see why Seung-jo isn’t shouting her name from the rooftops. Her entire identity is wrapped up in him, and it’s starting to show at the seams.

I know this has been the case for Ha-ni from the beginning, but now that DUCKIE the perennial slacker has found purpose in his life, her lack of such…pales in comparison. I certainly hope that Ha-ni gets the same sort of character development that the male characters are getting, because if she doesn’t, we’ll have WORDS, Show.

To be honest, her lack of oomph on that front kind of killed my love for her in this episode. I’m hoping that it’s part of her arc, and that she’ll be growing. I just want to believe that, because if all she does is fulfill her current dream…I may vomit from the implication that that’s…enough. I frankly don’t have that much hope for her now, which makes the rest of it (her winning Seung-jo in the end) less satisfying, if that’s ALL she’s about.

Duckie’s development highlights again the pot-lid metaphor, because when she began to take him seriously, I thought, wouldn’t it be perfect if the two characters who were so devoted in love…could love each other? But then that’s the whole point—why they’re not meant to be—because they’re both lids. Or pots. Whichever. They’re of the same mold, which makes them redundant, to each other. It’s not necessarily a belief I hold in real life, but I like what the drama is doing with it as a romantic throughline, because it’s a great point narratively. It makes character differences interesting, and not just as motivations for clashes. It’s the puzzle idea—that two people need to be complementary to fit together, not shaped the same way. In that respect I do enjoy the relationship between Seung-jo and Ha-ni, as they continue to complement each other. I just wish that it wasn’t always Ha-ni matching herself to Seung-jo. I want her to form her own piece, and for Seung-jo to try and match her once in a while too.

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This is such an expected suprise! Thank you GF!!

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*unexpected.

Totally didn't expect to see a recap at this time of day (night) :)

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Many claim Playful Kiss to be a fluff drama but scroll down the page for some strong, well-articulated, contrasting opinions.

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haha, and here I thought you were just being facetious... imagine my surprise when I started reading those comments and actually DID discover intelligent debates going on. Will wonders never cease? Who would've thought PK of all things would warrant such riveting reading? ^_^

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LOL suddenly everybody started having an existential crisis. It's kinda funny if you remember that it was only a little five minute scene. And yet, it exemplifies the predominant reason why PK is so polarising.

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* suddenly everybody started having an existential crisis. *

Ahhh!!! Yes, there it is. You just say it well. It really is the clash of "how to define yourself."

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* suddenly everybody started having an existential crisis. *

Ha! So true. Someone better direct those people at MBC to dramabeans. We sure have a lot of interesting and intelligent discussion going on here.

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nyahaha! SO TRUE! apparently, the fire that isn't lit up ha ni's bee-hind re: finding her path is lit up under everyone else's.
why yes this is a thread for quarterlife crisis, why do you ask? :P

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* suddenly everybody started having an existential crisis. *

i was having one when i started watching this drama... :)
and this drama has been a pure joy to watch that warms my spirit with all its sincere fluffiness, which reminds each of us something deep inside, from a long long once upon a time when wishes came true...

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haha been a long time since i read the comments sector...
all i can say is wow...
people really has some strong opinions about ths drama..
I mean for me, what you read is what you read, what you watch is what you watch.. it all depends if you make something you read/watch into your daily life mission & path to take...
so its for us to decide whether we take the STORY of Hani & SeungJo as a role model or just a form of entertainment. and for me PK is for pure entertainment same as Da Vinci Code is just a fiction book i read...
hmmnnn...

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" I just wish that it wasn’t always Ha-ni matching herself to Seung-jo. I want her to form her own piece, and for Seung-jo to try and match her once in a while too."
--Drama beans---

Im just quoting it.. ^_^ i love it...

Ha ni become unrealistic of finding herself what she is... getting into College for what? just to finish and trail down Seung jo again and again? is she really EXPECTING Seung Jo will be there (pARANG uNIVERSITY) following her...well it really happen but what if he wasn't?
stepping into other shadows.. Nah!

I may agree if her BIG Dream is to be Seung Jo's behalf... as wife and a mother for their children..

I am totally 100% AGREE what you say about Ha Ni

"Because right now I see why Seung-jo isn’t shouting her name from the rooftops. Her entire i [Read more]

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--just to add up here---

Ha Niya has a loving loyal heart... but need to be what she must.. a girl with pride.

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finally we get the long awaited epi 12 recap...thanks a lot girlfriday <3

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I totally DIED at the Duckie part...god I love him and his cute busan accent!

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thanks GF...this drama is so cute ..but never gets me EXCITING !

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Thank you for the recap! i had such a nice time reading it!

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this is what my main pet peeve for this story...on how the female lead's life revolves around the male lead...the taiwanese version burned all my hair because of the annoying female lead dreams and behavior...so its actually refreshing to me, and kinda less disturbing, on how pk treat this grating plot on the whole story...and the main reason for me feeling less annoyed by it was by JUNG SO MIN...i love this girl so much...and her treatment of Hani was very relatable...i also hope that the korean version will manage to form Hani's identity outside of BSJ, the other version, well the other versions particularly the taiwanese, didn't. (well for the first series, i didn't finish the second because by practically ep 7 i almost want to smack ariel lin's face for being annoying)

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maybe try to continue TKA, if you can. she kinda careened herself into some kind of maturity, still pretty much devoted to her husband but nonetheless a bit of self-respect [at least how i perceived it.]

i do love JSM's characterization of Hani. but i think PK's flow of story is still pretty weak compared to the taiwanese. i guess the best adaptation is the anime. how i hope the japanese will "re-remake" this.

i think the mangaka's main goal was not to show Kotoko/Hani's development but how she's the instrument to Naoki/Seungjo's. this is why she's a frustrating character cause we want her to gain a little self-respect.

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Oh I seriously doubt - TKA was just a continuation of the nausea that ISWAK caused. This show damaged my confidence in humans. Whenever I found a spare moment I would find myself wallowing in horror that this story was actually 'popular'.

Like I said before, this is not a love story. It's a story of how how one woman grovels without any self-respect and one man needs the constant ego-massage of said woman to survive. It's a pot and lid alright - and all things wholesome and lovable are being stewed alive inside of it.

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Can we get a like feature on dramabeans? Cause I'd like this comment a million times for the stewed alive imagery.

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Haha, I don't even completely agree and I still appreciate it.

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LOL yeah, I totally loved the last sentence.

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same same. i actually watched iswak and tka so i'll know what pk is all about. well, while i hated that taiwanese seung jo is iswak because he was mean and cruel and very seung jo-esque (without the lovable robot boy factor)... i started to have a love-hate relationship with him by tka. you got to love the guy after suffering so much from all the crazy shenanigans of the girl... really, she became a nurse because he is a doctor.... so i hope they will not turn oh ha-ni to that spineless irritating crazy freakish girl of the iswak tka... its girl power time... and notice that seung jo only notices her when she is not so available to him... learn from that oh ha-ni!

hope this week epi is better.

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THIS! I agree 100% and it's why reading the Itazura Na Kiss manga drove me up the wall and I could never watch the TW version or the anime (though I've tried because of all the rave over it). The only reason I'm watching this drama is because:

1) I wanted to see how Jung So Min did after Bad Guy because I love her
2) There's nothing else I'm too interested in watching.

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At @ GaRA you could view it the way you do it and then you could also consider a different angle.

For me why I enjoyed this show was very simple (and in Taiwanese version is even more clear) because this drama is about a guy who is very smart academically but very lacking in emotional intellegence and about a girl who falls in love with him and against all odds cannot stop loving him and through her devotion makes him a better and and a more complete human being. Also I haven't seen the idea of "you are not pretty or cool, but I still love you" expressed anywhere else so distinctly.

Yes, I agree this drama has a lot of drawbacks and I must admit I was very close to tearing out my hair in certain parts (the main heroine's lack of competence and her general aimlessness can be grating [Read more]

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thank you for this comment. people view things differently so i'm one of those people who see this story more on the positives than the negatives.

i dont argue when people express frustration and anger on the female character's annoying habits. it's not something to be proud of. but like you said, and i do wish, viewers could still look at the story as a whole on a different angle.

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Thank you so much for this comment. I am not watching PK because I watched ISWAK and TKA faithfully. But I love reading the recaps and the comments on dramabeans. I have a love hate relationship with the comments section because though the korean version is cute and all that, it upset me that there was severe bashing of the taiwanese version(which I adored). I feel that the TW version had a soul and Ariel had succeeded in portraying the naivety and indecisiveness of Xiang Qin so perfectly.

And the emotional development of Zhi Shu and the way he begins to respect Xiang Qin was clearly shown. Ex: the scene in TKA when she drives her pregnant friend to the hospital, the way zhishu worries for her and realizes that she has that Life's grace for being so single minded and determined about w [Read more]

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@ Aprana

Yes, I totally agree! I think what is essentially lost in the korean version (and say this having only seen the first 2 episodes) is that the heroine is not as silly, clueless and unsexy as she's in ISWAK and the hero is not cold-hearted and emotionally unresponsive as in the taiwanese version, which is the CORE of the tension of the drama. If you remove that aspect from the drama, what is left? Just some girl who doesn't have perfect grades falling in love with a guy who still hasn't hit "puberty" and hasn't grown up yet? What's exciting about that?
The taiwanese version is more extreme but that is also the point! That is the heart of the drama, seeing that jerk Zhi Shu struggle against falling for adorable, kind-hearted, completely clueless and incompetent Xiang Qing. Yes s [Read more]

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Man, this comment cracked me up, and I am not even watching the drama. Couldn't finish episode 1 - bored me to death.

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So agree. Even the declaration of love in ISWAK was insulting and demeaning. I absolutely hated that drama, and it makes me sad that it is so popular. PK is better. Still not something young girls should watch, lest they think this is a good way to run a relationship, but better than the other.

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@ GaRa as well: you're partly right but that's just looking at the story from its negative side. i guess like the saying goes, we can agree to disagree. cause i think it's a love story of how kotoko's cheerful, upbeat personality changed the almost-void-of-emotions Naoki. that's one way to look at it.

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@Ga ra - Thank you! I read the manga and was pretty much dumbstruck by the popularity of it, I don't understand how people can love or respect a story about a relationship where a woman bases her *entire life* on feelings that are barely reciprocal. If you take away the cute element, and look at the cold, hard, plot points, I find that it seems to be promoting such a grossly unhealthy idea of what a good relationship, and 'love' is.

I just had to say this because I've been reading the recaps waiting for the point of no return with Ha-ni's character. I'll now read down thread and try and find the answer as to why so many people love this.

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honestly, the plot is so simple that it could have been made up by any teenager.. i guess the refreshing part of it is that it speaks true for most girls in the world, where they think 'if you try hard enough, it might be possible." who wouldn't dream one way or another of being with someone unattainable? in OHN's case he is just sooo near. The setup was very inevitable, two people caught up in almost all scenario?? it's like rubbing two stones, and you get fire!!! most parts of the show, i either shut my eyes, close my ears or pause the video because of aggravation on OHN' actions, but heheheh in the end i laugh at it. so ridiculous but makes you think,,, does it work???

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regarding TKA well yea,she sort of matured there. . Imagine,she was deeply inlove with Zhishu but she left him when he crossed his limits.

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I have to agree that (in ISWAK and especially TKA) I found ariel's character gratingly clingy and spineless at times, and Joe's character cruel and hate-able sometimes too. However, I enjoyed it nonetheless. It broke my heart for her over and over.

But I think its okay to enjoy a show about characters you can't respect. As much as a strong female lead is good for women, she isn't the only kind of woman who exists in this world. A woman who lives for her man has real, raw emotions just as much as any other woman. Her experiences are human experiences, and I think they're worth exploring. Just as a man who's as emotionally and socially inept as Joe's character (sry-can't remember their names) can be compelling and pitiable.
And I have to agree with whoever says that they both cha [Read more]

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i agree with you completly.

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thumbs up for you! heheheheh! ARIEL is TOO much annoying than Jung So Min.. it's lessen here.. because her character is much realistic than the other..

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Yay! Thanks for the recap :)

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*sigh* girlfriday i think you have a point

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Totally agree with you about Ha-Ni in this episode.
This is my fluff drama. I don't expect anything from it except fluff. Her extreme stalking throughout all the episodes kind of irked me, but I let it go.

But her life dream... I had to stop the video, and proceed to complain (with caps to show JUST how angry I was) about Ha-Ni to my friend. Because what she said was what I absolutely HATE. Lack of individuality, lack of independence.

She lost a lot of cute in that moment... And gained a lot of stupid in my opinion.

Please show, make her grow up. Please? ='[

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ITA with your comments and girlfriday's frustration.

But I have to say that, in order to stay true to the manga, this is how the show has to portray HaNi. If it didn't it wouldn't be PK. It would be something else, drawing from Itazura no Kiss but going its own way.

As for ISWAK, I've watched some of it lately (while jonesing for PK episode 13) and Seung Jo/Naoki/Zhi Shu does actually change and he does consider her. And she is the catalyst for a lot of what they do as a couple in TKA. Not him. He genuinely loves her and -- believe it or not -- respects her.

Of course his interfering mother would make a sane person run screaming for the hills--or a therapist's office, but this is also very true to the manga. It also explains a lot of his behavior. Sure it would be great if they [Read more]

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*LAUGHS!* How articulate you are. I feel you!

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This was the one area that ISWAK was a bit better. This character became a nurse because she wanted to help little kids suffering. The fact that it would keep her close to her love was just icing on the cake for her. I was nauseated myself after watching the PK version.

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Oh, so that's how she became a nurse in ISWAK? Thanks, that gives me some hope for PK. XD; I had heard that she only decided nursing to follow him around, but if there's another deep reason for it, then it's okay.

Hope PK does this, too, like they re-visit the sick little boy story and the hospital staff encourage Hani to be a nurse since she's so bright and compassionate and likes taking care of people (not just SeungJo). Even better if this happens while SeungJo is still with his dad's company and not in med school, so that Hani herself chooses a separate path from him (but in some way, she is also honoring his unfulfilled dream awww). Then they can happily work together in the hospital at the end. ^^

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Robyn, GirlFriday... PREACH. This is what bugs me about many Korean dramas -- though it seems even more highlighted here. Somehow stalking, following someone around at the expense of yourself and your identity (to the point that it becomes your identity) has come to equal LOVE. And while Seung Jo obviously has feelings for her as well, how is Ha Ni's behavior acceptable while In Hee's from Personal Taste or every other evil second female lead isn't? Those females are also following a guy around in hopes of securing a relationship despite the guy's objections. The fact that Ha Ni is cute and considered our heroine makes this even more objectionable to me than In Hee's because it validates Ha Ni's behavior/attitude. With In Hee, we knew what she was doing was wrong. Do younger girls watching [Read more]

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Disagree big time. Yes, Eun Young in Coffee House was also cute and funny but she was also manipulative and conniving. She did things to accomplish her own agenda without concern for the other persons feelings. Ha Ni in Playful Kiss is cute and funny but never does things out of a malicious or self-serving purpose. She is just a good-hearted klutz.

I agree she needs to grow up and develop some self-worth. But, is it really bad to have a love so deep that you would give up everything, even yourself, for that love? It's a love we all dream about but few feel it or receive it. How sad for us. But, we get to watch it on PK so I'll keep on watching a love I'll never know.

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hmmmm, interesting point.

But such a love should go to someone who actually deserves it, right? Not saying that love is logical in any way; just that Ha Ni giving up herself for smug bastard/passive robot-BSJ, who just selfishly strings her along is more than a little bit AGGRAVATING!!!!!!

Then again, she IS just 20 years old; we can only hope she gains some self-respect and high-esteem later on in life.

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I like the show. I take it for what it is: a cutesy show meant to tickle the tween hearts in us. However, I have to agree with girlfriday. I am frustrated with the overused stalker plot and Hani's seemingly single purpose in life. It's like Seung Jo is her life support. It's tiring to see a girl continually demean herself and go through so many self-pitying moments.

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Yep, totally agree. Ha Ni has definitely fallen in my favor too.

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thanks for the recap :)

my fave part of this episode was when the manager asked seung-jo whether his girlfriend made the lunchbox for him, and he answered "yes", albeit abit sheepishly HAHAH.

OMG BSJ/KHJ's too cute. just admit your feelings already! ;)

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I agree. That's the first time he's 'admitted' his feelings. I can't wait to watch his declaration of love for Hani. I hope KHJ will be able to pull it off. He's been pretty stiff when it comes to hugging and kissing so far.

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i loved this episode. it finally showed me little bit about sj's inner thoughts.

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This recap was short...I think because you said you had such a hard time writing it? LOL

Well, I can't say that the developments of this episode were unexpected (because of course, they are in ISWAK and the manga) but I really always hated how dependent Ha-Ni (or Xiang Qing) was on the man (Seung Jo/Zhi Zhu)...even in ISWAK, I kept waiting for the girl to develop some backbone, some personal taste, some opinions and direction on her own.

But I'm hoping the writers of Playful Kiss will change this aspect of the story and the character...hoping next episode is better!!

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With a drama like this, you totally have to kill any feminist or progressive hopes, because it will butcher them.

I really hoped they would in a good direction with the whole career thing because it pissed me off so much (SO MUCH). And the drama is totally messing around with us on that front anyway - the girl has ALL this personality so what the hell with her saying she can't identify herself independently from Seung Jo. It's a glaring inconsistency to try to force in some supposedly romantic idealisation. Whereas Seung Jo has none - which was meant to be the point, hello Robot Boy - so it was all just so aarrrgh.

Also I disliked how they made the only person who recognised the value of independent choice to be the girl who we aren't meant to be rooting for.

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Oh, thanks for the recap, Girlfriday :)

I think this episode had a bit of tension! Poor Seung Jo's father =( SJ was really too mean, however, I'm sorry for him now...I think he agreed to meet He Ra due to the same reason why he agreed to rule the company. He considers that this way he will be able to help his father! Wrong Belief! But, anyways...

The one person apart SJ who will suffer is, as usual, Oh Ha Ni =( Sadly...

I totally enjoyed their scenes! Especially, the hug! It was so warm and cute! Stupid He Ra said that Ha Ni wouldn't be able to help SJ! Oh, really? And you consider yourself being smart, dear? Seriously?! There is no need always being able to help by some action! Sometimes just warm and sincere word of beloved person can help you! That's why SJ need Ha Ni but not y [Read more]

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i totally love jung so min. that's why I can't just hate her. But the character oh hani must really mature and not to follow seung jo all the time. Make him follow you! haha.
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change I totally love jung so min (it's true) => jung so min is adorable and cute
her = oh hani
The next sentence will be very confusing.

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change I totally love jung so min (it's true) => jung so min is adorable and cute
her = oh hani
The next sentence will be very confusing.

okay, my comment was confusing.

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I think somebody in one of the other reviews (or maybe Soompi) has said this before...this drama was written 20 years ago...things were quite different back then (well not like 1950s but still...in Japan I guess). I am not sure if Show is willing to change the whole story to adapt to the times of now.

I think the important point is that even Ha Ni knows that her life revolves around SJ and she does regret it....she is ashamed of it when she is telling SJ about it. She is not particularly proud of herself that she does not have an individual personality.

On the other hand, lol I've been waiting forever for your review...I guess I was expecting you to overlook the dependent part...but it's hard since we live in a post-feminist era (I am all for women's rights...this is why I want to p [Read more]

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Oooh I didn't know it was written 20 years ago, that's really good to know. Some of the ideas were slightly out-dated so its good to know that the structure of the story does come from a different time.

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PK has stayed true to the source material, right, the manga. So, if it continues, then Seungjo would be a doctor and Hani would study to become a nurse.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, girlfriday (and many others), but there it is.....

Personally, I don't judge Hani based on her decision to "follow around" Seungjo. At least she knows exactly what she wants.

Thanks for the recap and I know now why it took some time :D.

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"She knows exactly what she wants."
That's exactly what I envy about Hani. I am in this stage in my life when I am not sure what to do with it. I am things I like but am to afraid to pursue so instead, I am doing something I dislike but is safer. Sometimes, I wish I was like Hani and pursue whatever I actually enjoy doing, consequences be damned. Of course, I am not... Sigh.

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I do understand you.

It is really a luxury if you can do things you enjoy, be happy and still earn a (good) living. In reality, not many people can afford to do that.

v, hwaiting ! :D

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me, too. i'm just doing what i have to do. i mean... i don't even know what i'm going to be. :(

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I do hope Hani finds something she wants to do besides follow SeungJo, but in a way, I understand it because like you said, it's just what she wants. Her goal in life is to have fun and make others happy, and helping SeungJo is exactly that. Hani knows she isn't very good at anything, except when she's with SeungJo. It's not just that he's there to help her if she needs it; it's also that she has the dedication and motivation, the spirit, to do well when she's with him. He helps her achieve things and give her confidence.

At the same time, SeungJo will admit that he does appreciate and sometimes need Hani's help since "she has what I don't" (compassion). Don't want Hani to define herself just by SeungJo, but I think the story's point is that they are both at their best when they're [Read more]

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What is the first thing that women see when they look in the mirror--their own flaws! It is difficult for HaNi to accept her primal desire for SJ like you stated-thank you-, but the truth is not always perfect or ideal. To constantly have a strong heroin is boring, and really not comparable to real life. So is there shame in wanting to be a good housewife and mother? I picked a career that would allow me to contribute financially to my family, and offered flexibility with my top priority--my family. It is not something I love, but something that helps and contributes to the things that I love. As marred as HaNi's desires are, they are not uncommon.

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oh... so that's why the recap for this episode came late. coz this one sucks. hehehe

actually, the real flaw of this drama is that the lead female character's ultimate dream is to be with the lead male character all the time. the nurse, the secretary, the wife, the shadow... that's what she wanted to do.

pining over a boy is cute but having no dreams at all and leaving no love for yourself is blatantly wrong.

however, i still like this story just because of the a-dork-ability of the characters. i still love mrs. baek and her schemes. i still like robot boy with perm straw hair seungjo and i will forever adore little miss hani who should start living by her words of wisdom. :)

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I actually found this episode pretty enjoyable! Much more enjoyable that the ep with Hani stalking Seungjo at his restaurant everyday and even fainting cos of it- that was stupid.

But this ep was cute. I liked Hani acting as the wife, and Seungjo appreciating her gestures. When she came back home with the groceries, he even went downstairs just to carry the groceries into the kitchen for her, before returning upstairs again. How cute is that!

Seungjo really does love her. Its the small gestures and looks towards her that totally gives him away. And you're right the mom may be awesome, but she's actually bringing out the rebel in seungjo- he just doesn't want his life to be manipulated by her all the time.

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thanks for the recap gf....maybe because I've seen the previous versions and Kotoko/Hani's ambition-clingy-around Seung Jo is one of the things that really irritate me in any version....this version is no better but I am glad they don't put any montage of Hani's fantasy of her life goals with Seung Jo.... really want to shake her and tell her there's more to life than love and find her own self worth....
anyway I still love this show and I want to root for Hani

got all misty eyed seeing the preview for episode 13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDKmjzhOChY

and mend it by ....
http://blog.daum.net/miniquilt/15709859

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Thank you so much for posting the links! I searched youtube endlessly yesterday and could not find the long preview for ep 13. How did you do it?!? And can you find the one for ep 14 and post that link, too? Hehehehe :-)

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Thanks! I'm reposting what I had in the preview thread:
the youtube link for Ep 13 45seconds teaser.

http://www.youtube.com/v/C1VqQbW_-5Q?fs=1&hl=en_US

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thanks for the yt links.... OMG the kiss still from MBC.... how hot is that...hope the scenes delivers though I will keep my anticipation way down

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thanks for the long preview. i think episode 13 is where Seung-jo will feel "jealousy" for the first time. Well, that's what in the manga and TW anyway. Can't wait to see the episode =)

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thx for the links!!! are there subs anywhere??

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go to ockoala.wordpress.com for a recap/translation of ep 13 preview

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I can see that everyone was >O to Hani in this Episode.. I am too...

Like someone had mentioned. This Manga was written years and years ago.. like 20 years ago and at that time if u ever read old mangas.. the girl characters were always weak, too focus on the boys and cry a lot. That is how Hani was in the manga. Only nowadays manga.. the girl characters are strong and well represent nowadays girls.. ^^

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Thanks GF for the recap.

I disagree though that it's not always Hani who is trying to fit Seung Jo's mold. In the last 12 episode, Seung Jo has changed a lot while Ha Ni has remained the same besotted, SeungJo-circumnavigating girl. If she was my friend, I would slap her and literally shake some sense into her.

On the other hand, we all know the pull of a Seung Jo, the archetypal Mr Darcy. Maybe women are born masochist.

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From being a girl? Why not just say from being a person? I'm not here to defend/detest her or anything, I just can't help to wonder...

What is so great of having many dreams after all?

This is Oh Ha Ni we're talking about. A simple thoughtless girl. She follows her heart too much than her thinking. She sees the world perhaps differently from the rest of us. Haven't we established that already?

And of course its a crystal clear that BSJ is her heart, her dreams, her desire, her soul. What do you expect? If you really want to enjoy the show, you need not to be so serious on the ones you raised upon yourself.

Grow up? Independent? Wew, such serious issue here... Suddenly, why do the needs to ridicule such gesture into something so negative? Haven't we seen from yesteryear, whe [Read more]

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I agree with you! I don't think her choosing to support BSJ makes her less independent than someone who would choose their own "path in life"...BSJ *is* her path in life. Although, I can see why it rubs people the wrong way, especially those who strive to be independent from men I think her devotion is something rare and admirable.

Of course, I have seen all original versions so I understand that later on she does "mature" more, although that takes place much later on (later than this show will encompass) but really I find her the most likable of all the Kotoko editions. Ha ha! I think this story is just trying to show that you can follow your heart completely and conquer in the end, even if the prospect of "using your head" is necessary in real life, not enough people use their heart [Read more]

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Yeah...
I don't get it... I seriously don't get it...
Why is the male vs female is even an issue here
Please see her as a person, not by gender...

Perhaps you're right, nowadays ppl think with their heads instead of heart...
Sigh.. yeah we can't please everybody, right?
If the world sees things in one perspective, then there will be no war. SO PEACE OUT! ^^

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Your "BSJ is her life's path" made me think of Goo Jun Pyo in BoF. He tells Geum Jan Di (paraphrasing) "I've got the looks, the intelligence, the money...but I don't have YOU and that's what I need"

I don't like how Hani was portrayed in this episode, because I have my issues that way... However,looking at it with this point of view there are so many things lacking in both of them--they are literally "half-persons" and need the other.

(Although for me personally, I have no idea why one's emotional stunt would have anything to do with choosing majors or careers...TBH I've been there done that, the guy I liked followed me to the same uni, a la BSJ-OHN, but *I* chose my majors, my career. If he wanted to come along for the ride, fine...which was funny because we didn't have classes toge [Read more]

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yeah but at least GJP did get away from her, for whatever reason, he went his separate ways with GJD and it was his choice. At the end they did end up together, but that's because one must realize that even though that other person makes you a better you, you are suppose to be able to stand by yourself. And BSJ totally has to earn HaNi's love, I mean b/c he hasn't and that's not okay.

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Oh, yeah, i completely agree about being able to stand on your own. I really, really do, completely agree.

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I have had similar thoughts!

"So what if OHN has made BSJ her dream, her ambition, etc. etc.?" It isn't the choice I would make -- hellz no -- but the great news about feminism/modernism/whateverism is that women in many parts of the world have real CHOICES. They aren't forced to live prescribed lives. They can decide if they want to be stay-at-home moms and wives (assuming the economics are there, of course). Men also benefit from this brave new world, but that's a rant and/or rave for another day.

One thing we feminists sometimes forget is that not all women are going to make the same choices. It may be hard to respect those other choices but we can certainly try.

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I'm not against feminism or anything...
Its just that why is it being brought up as an issue?...
So, what if OHN is a boy? *cough BJG...
Do u think he will be ridiculed this way?

My point is that why people tend to look down on others if they do things differently, not according to their high expectations. Are we turning into BSJ? Hehe...

Anyway, I guess I'm may be old fashioned. But that what makes the world interesting, right ^^

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yes, not being happy with a fun awesome character chooses to live for some guy who treats her like crap. Sure he's changed, but is it enough?

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and I know I sound snippy, sorry for that, but there is nothing wrong with being old fashioned, either way, I want a healthy relationship, which this is not.

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May be what's unhealthy for you, is healthy for some people...

Just something to think about...

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DUDE. So true. So, so true, and no matter what choices people can make (and there are lots of them), this is the important critique of Ha-ni's reaction right here. If she is entirely dependent on someone else to create meaning for her, then... Who is the person inside her skin, after all?

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No, being so dependent on someone is not healthy, no matter what you may think. I understand really caring about what someone thinks and etc (I'm not a robot here, and I've been a girl with really strong feelings for a person) but we go into again that there is a line, and she's crossing it.

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What line?
Who draw the line anyway?
You? Then it's your line of course...
May be for some the line is an inch/ feet further...

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Well, it isn't BGJ's story; it's OHN's. I'm guessing that most of the commenters here are women, so naturally OHN's character resonates or repels us.

But to answer your question, yes, I would be worried about anyone who devoted his/her entire life to another human being--without having at the outset a mutual, reciprocal commitment of love, respect and devotion. The one-sided thing is dangerous for EVERYONE. When you're a teenager that's one thing; but when you're an adult... get thee to psychiatry.

If one of my guy friends was hung up on a woman with whom he did not have a relationship and who treated him like crap, I would tell him. In fact, my cousin falls for unavailable women on a routine basis so I have this conversation routinely.

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The thirteen year old girl that lives inside of me is enjoying Playful Kiss. But only when I view it as entertainment.

Now if I were to dissect the psycho-social message that this drama seems to be sending I'd be appalled. I say seems to be sending because the program isn't over yet and until the height/weight appropriate lady sing, we can't be sure what the story is saying.

Feminism, Womanism, Vaginaism who cares? For me the truly destructive lesson in this drama is that it teaches young people (most probably girls) that indifference and hostility are no obstacle to building healthy romantic relationships if you persist and take whatever crap is shoveled your way. [Yes, believe it or not I'm enjoying the show when the comments on the blogs don't force me to deconstruct its messa [Read more]

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until the height/weight appropriate lady sing??!!?? LOL LOL

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I love your point about choices, and I totally agree. Some women, like myself, want to choose to stay at home and devote their time and attention to their children and spouses. Does that make me any less than another woman who decides to pursue a career? The only difference between her and me is the value that society places on our choices; I would say both of us have an equal opportunity to continue to grow and progress as individuals, only in very different ways. Different, not better or worse.

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No one is saying that choosing to be a housewife is wrong, seriously, NO ONE is saying that.

What I think the issue is, is that she has never taken herself away from BSJ, not once. Are you saying that your world has only been about your husband since you were 16?

And it's not only that, has your husband ever treated you the way the BSJ did? I highly doubt he did, I don't think I would have such an issue with HaNi if BSJ wouldn't take her for granted. And sure he's fallen in love with her but that doesn't change the fact that no matter how badly he still treats her, she still revolves her life around him. What kind of message is that?

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It is actually a strong one. Substitute BSJ with religion, politics, or any other "worthy" cause and I wonder if people would be so up in arms about her devotion. She is devoted, despite the odds. It rubs me the wrong way but I am not going to downplay that aspect of it. Most people would have given up, but we live in a throw away world where even "till death do you part" means "until I get sick of it". The real question is is love greater than pride? Is pride greater than your promise of lifetime commitment? How many people really have that much devotion and understanding inside of them? How many people wouldn't want to be loved that way?

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@acidlimp: i think the problem is not that she is devoted to Seunjo - there are many devoted characters out there who hold on despite the odds, but still look after themselves in the process.

You asked the question 'is love greater than pride?' I would contend that pride is not the issue here - self respect and personal responsibility is. It is 'pride', 'love' and duty that keeps millions of women (and men) in abusive relationships. Certainly, Oh Ha-ni is not in a physically abusive relationship right now, but people change. The fact is, this story seems to be telling people that valuing another person more than yourself is healthy, and awesome, s [Read more]

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@Eleven11 A lot religions preach that valuing others, or god, above yourself is awesome and great. Why is that acceptable above valuing another person the same way? How is she neglecting herself in favor of BSJ other than him not treating her like she wants? The fact that she wants him to treat her better is a good indication that she does have self-respect.

If someone is deeply in love very little is going to sway them off the course. Loving someone defines your life period, and you don't even have to go to Hani's extreme. Loving someone does not mean that they love you back or even treat you well. If this wasn't true on an almost universal level, country music writers would be out of business.

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felt like i had to say my piece...

the thing is, seung jo is not an unredeemable person.

see how he smiles at his little brother,
or how he relents and helps out the class of students.

if he was an alcoholic abusive, or physically violent, or any one of those variants,
then i would say, run as fast as you can and don't look back.

but, seung jo is a guy who just doesn't seem to be able to express his feelings well (manifesting in a pretty mean tongue), and who views life in a mathematical, logical way.

and i guess, for a genius as he is, maybe it would have been TOO much of a stretch if he was also emotionally-well-balanced as well.

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@ Acidimp

This post is crazy long because you brought up some pretty heavy points.

I really hesitate to bring religion/politics/whatever into this, because it is such a complex thing. The key difference for me though, between loving another person more than yourself, and loving a god more than yourself, would be that a god is essentially an ideaology. There are usually set rules and doctrines about this ideaology set within an institution. Essentially, the ins and outs of loving this god are set down for you to read before you start to love the god more than yourself. You know what you're getting into, so to speak. I would also argue that this can also be dangerous, in its own way, but I think that would be getting off topic.

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Not to get too religious or serious but:

1 Corinthians 13: 4-7
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love isn't about being loved in return. :)

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If I remember the past episodes, many times Hani realized that she is pathetic enough to follow Seong Jo and determined to forget him. She did try her best many times but it is Seong Jo's actions that made her melt and keep persevering with SJ. Even though he confused her sometimes, she has faith that SJ is more than what he shows outside and his actions tells that. I don't think Hani is stupid enough to not see even slightly, that SJ is changing. HE IS NOT TAKEN HER FOR GRANTED. He is appreciating her in his own way he knows. eg: SJ didn't complain a word about Hani's cooking and ate it, the smiles and simple gestures that he shows which bring her to giddiness,eg:commeded her effort after exams and tennis practice. And so much more even though they are subtle actions, Hani felt them. And [Read more]

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Eleven11 I brought it up to make a point because it is such a passionate and personal belief and one that is not easily influenced or swayed...very much like love. Religion is more widely practiced and accepted but it does not mean it is correct or even steady. You are right, I don't want to get into a religious debate. My point is that both religion and love require a huge leap of faith. Relgiion may be well documented but it is documented by others, not your own personal experiences or emotion, therefore the effects of devoting yourself solely are just as mysterious. Suicides, murder, war, persecution, fanaticism...all of these were results of mindless devotion to the so-called well documented idealogoy.

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Sorry to go all blah-blah-babble on everyone, but remember (in Episode 7) Hera's mini-dissert on Sartre? Read up on his views on selfhood, radical freedom, and love.

Interestingly instructive for the candyfluff that is PK! ^^ It even dovetails with the pot-lid (Self vs Other) metaphor! Love for Sartre is pretty much always an exercise in futile self-deception, where the self seeks itself through others--Hani is THAT GIRL.

But PK wants to disprove Sartre (lol, ok, maybe only subtextually)--after all, Hera (who spouts the Sartre) is not supposed to be the "heroine" here. But I think PK would be a lot more successful at this if it were more obvious that SJ being her project in life is a choice she consciously, expressly makes. Sartre would still call it bad faith, but Hani wo [Read more]

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I’m not going to go into further on Sartre philosophy; especially that, one will lose its identity to its partner. I’m not agreeing or rejecting it entirely. But I’d rather say that one’s identity is enhanced/ improved. If it’s lost, then perhaps there’s no identity to begin with; much concur to Sartre idea.

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Another thing I noticed was the cultural context. This "live for another" lofty ideal is very Japanese to me. It files under their other mythical/analogical cultural ideals--chado (tea ceremony, which I've practiced as a hobby for years--lots of hand gestures... and good tea! 'S all I've got to say) and kodo (incense ceremony--something which boggles my mind on all directions).

The subtext at hand is: because of Hani's lack in doing everything well (see anime, and how the dad lists off all the things she could not do when Ire-kun asks her hand--I swear this is the only thing I watched in the anime) her only choice is to live for someone else. She's got nothing to give but of herself (I vaguely remember her saying something like that to BSJ "you've got so much to give...I don't have anyt [Read more]

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That's interesting to know about Japanese ideology. But, see, the cultural context can only really apply to the manga. As an adaptation in the modern (and Korean) context, I think the criticism is totally fair.

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And that's why it's off putting to some. Because the script of PK relies heavily on the Japanese turn of events.

I was just reading, some sort of article on how Korean women, and subsequently men, are getting married later because the women want to have a career first. With this thought as I viewed this episode, I was already anticipating the backlash because of the "living for another" ideal.

Not bashing post-feminism, but it's true, we women feel entitlement of our own freedoms and decisions. Something Hani, right now, is not exhibiting. And I can presume will not happen if this drama does continues to draw upon the original manga.

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Haha the irony. I wonder if the writers did a little bit of self-aware parody.

I personally find it problematic that her choice to throw away her opinion on her own future keeps getting equated to love. It's really not.

If PK really wanted to disprove Satre, it wouldn't destroy her Self as she finds love - it would celebrate the co-existence of love and her own unified Self rather than indulge in such an act of ontological violence wherein she is consumed by the Other - and thereby loses her 'Self'.

Instead, shouldn't PK seek disprove that love is just an unhealthy co-dependency?

/omg lol taking things way too seriously

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LOL, ditto here, clearly! But that's "love" under the Sartre rubric. I have no love for it, though---and ITA yours is the most sensible track; unfortunately, it doesn't seem very Hani to me. Still, I hope something like it gets redeemed later on, maybe in the YouTube mini-episodes, along with along with some delicious tables-turning for SJ, heh! ^^

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Yeah, I hope so too :) Seriously, if they diverged and offered Ha Ni's character some independence and growth, she would be awesome.

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@ Hannah 10:28 am

Plus I love her (non-topknot) hair! And it just occurred to me---wouldn't it be REALLY FUNNY if all this were a meta In-Yo-Face to KHJ fangirlism?! um... *blushes* =^_^=

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I think I just fell in love with this conversation. Way to make PK interesting!

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Noooo don't stop... The seriousness, it is awesome!

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I absolutely agree with you. We, as women, are so smart these days. We don't love with our heart anymore. We are like Hare, where we love with our mind. What's in it for us?

Loving with abandonment like Hani only happens during the teenage years, where there's no calculation. I think that's why I like this KR version, they made Hani so normal. BTW- Seungjo is really a genius because he knows what he is lacking and he respected Hani for her ability to love. Believe it or not, most men do appreciate the unconditional love ability of women. In ep. 13, we see that he is willing to give up his dream of becoming a doctor, but he won't give her up.

P.S. We call Duckie a sweetheart when he blindly loves Hani yet we call Hani stupid for blindly loving Seungjo. Maybe we have double standard a [Read more]

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*P.S. We call Duckie a sweetheart when he blindly loves Hani yet we call Hani stupid for blindly loving Seungjo. Maybe we have double standard afterall.*

My point exactly.
Thank you!

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Hmm, but we only really had the big call out for Ha Ni this episode when she so blatantly based herself around the guy by essentially saying she just wants to be his accessory in life. When she blindly chased after him, I think it was pretty much forgiven in recognition of her teenaged mindset.

Duckie has been called out too, if you look in the comments, but he also didn't drop his ambition as a cook for Ha Ni.

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He didn't drop his ambition, it's true, but then again, he also had one, whereas Ha-ni doesn't. I might not like it too much, but I also don't think that it's illogical for her to decide her own life path around Seung-jo's -- at this point, she has nothing else pulling her in another direction. It might not be entirely wise of her, but I think it does make sense, given her characterization.

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I agree with all your points...
but i'm just pointing out that even though Duckie aleady was a decent cook, he started to seriously learn how to cook to be in charge of Hani's restaurant in the first place... so his dreams also revolved around Hani... to provide her comfort in her life and take her father's restaurant... and then, he started to really be serious about cooking...

If we look at this, then who is to say that Hani will not become serious about nursing... she might have started it to be of help to seungjo but hardworking as she is, she would give her all for nursing like duckie does with cooking.

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Again,
Thank you...
Finally someone with senses as I do ^^

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Gosh, V! I agree with you!!!! Hahah, loving it when finding someone with a similar mind. Hahah (and I've been refreshing this pages so much, and re-checking the new comments each time, LOL)

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Agreed

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Exactly...

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"If we look at this, then who is to say that Hani will not become serious about nursing… she might have started it to be of help to seungjo but hardworking as she is, she would give her all for nursing like duckie does with cooking."

Wouldn't it mean more, in a piece of fiction that little girls will no doubt idolize, if we didn't need to bank on the what ifs because we understood that the heroine is capable enough to use her mind for herself?

As of now, basing it on what they've given us, we don't really get that impression. So speculation doesn't mean a lot.

And, okay. It's not like Seung Jo is just her motivation to do something worthwhile. It's more like she'll just do whatever Seung Jo wants, just to be with him. That gives the corrolary message that girls should give up e [Read more]

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*It’s more like she’ll just do whatever Seung Jo wants, just to be with him. That gives the corrolary message that girls should give up everything in a ‘pure’ love so that they can be considered worthwhile. Also, that it is enough to not want anything but to please a man. Isn’t that squicky?*

Ok I get ur point but SJ doesn't want her to do as he wants her. For most things, she has done it without his consent. She decided on her dreams on her own. And what she's doing isn't because solely to please him, but to please herself too, to help, to be there, to share his ups and downs. Isn't normal for us to help when we see someone is in trouble. In OHN case that someone is who she deeply in love with. So it's abnormal, now? Why?

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sorry... quick reply cuz it might turn into a rant but i think we're dramatizing this a bit... i dont think becoming a nurse equates to giving up everything for love... it's not as if she wants to sell drugs or something... it's more like improving yourself because of love for the one that you love.

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"For most things, she has done it without his consent. She decided on her dreams on her own."

Hm, but I think the lack of choice (implicating identity) is the very issue. She completely gives up her choices to Seung Jo so far as she says she'll just follow him blindly. I'll concede that she has agency enough to follow her dream - but then when her dream is only to give up her agency to him, it's really not that admirable.

"it’s more like improving yourself because of love for the one that you love."

She's not simply improving herself, she's moulding herself entirely to his whims. According to what she says right now, anyway - we'll see how that goes.

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I agree completely.

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Maybe the object of Ha Ni's dream is not worthy, whereas the object of Duckie's dream is very worthy.

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I want to call BS on not loving with our hearts. I want a freaking career and to be independent, and part of what I'll take into account when getting into a serious relationship will be THOUGHT through. Because I'm sorry to disappoint you, but this whole love/passion w/o thinking is not what keeps a relationship alive. And what is in it for me? A healthy normal relationship.

And my problem with Ha Ni revolving around BSJ is that wants to be with a guy who only just (after years of living around each other) is kind of nice to her. Sure we get snippets of him being sweet, but that doesnt add up. And perhaps he just can't express himself and all that crap, but that doesnt excuse his attitude. If it was your sister who wanted to forever live around a guy who has treated her the way BSJ trea [Read more]

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I actually feel really sorry for Ha Ni here. The trouble with BSJ is even though he's mean, he'll be really sweet for a couple glorious seconds. Every time she's willing to give up on him or starts to second guess herself, he does something that makes her think all that effort is worth it. It's weird, but the first thing I thought of when I read your post was that it was like an abusive relationship. I know it's not even coming near to the severity of the comparison, but it has the same cycle: she gets attached to him, he's mean (just plain cruel in some cases), she thinks about leaving, he does something to make her want to stay, wash and repeat. And now she's had her life revolve around him so much that she feels that there's nothing left of her except for what she does for him.

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You really put that awesomely. I've seen abusive relationships in many different forms and although this is nowhere near the extremity, it's still there. And that scares me, that people think it's okay to devote her life to him (like he is a god) and be in this slightly manipulative relationship.

But at the end of the day, she is ashamed and she isn't happy about it, because it's not the best situation for her to love a guy so much when he doesn't love her back (or at least acts in such ways.

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