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  1. 51 Buki

    They are finally playing The Housemaid here in Chicago at the Music Box. My good friend just reviewed for 848 (radio show on chicago public radio). You can listen to her review for a non-korean/obsession with Korean media take online. I’m going to try and catch it before its run ends

  2. 52 Peacestar

    Happy new year (and friday)!

    had a bad day at work, people can be so selfish and mean,
    but thinking of what else is happening in the world makes me grateful, take the Egyptian revolution, those protesters are so brave and steadfast, putting their lives on the line to get rid of a dictator regime, hope it will resolve soon.
    Enjoying dream high, although I think I will end up with second lead syndrome (samdong) oh well i’ll turn my attention to the milk couple!
    Peace

  3. 53 Bjlove

    Happy Lunar new years everyone at dramabeans! I’ve been lurking silently here so quite a while and decided to send my best wishes to everyone from Vancouver, Canada.

    Just finished watching queen of reversals and just wanted to say how unbelievably ecstatic I am that psh ended up with knj! Anyone else out here a fan of this drama?

    • 53.1 YY

      I love psh….becos of your post I went and watched the finale and fastforwarded to the kiss in the snow. PSH is a fantastic kisser….HY should get some pointers from him! Hoping for such a kiss in MP! The lead actress looks much older than him, like his auntie.

    • 53.2 pohonphee

      oh k drama god, I just plan to watch QoR. And you gave me the big spoiler… but how you did not? :)

  4. 54 danna

    Does anyone here know where i could watch More Beautiful than a flower online or download it?

    • 54.1 Kristal

      You can get from withs2 but you gotta have a VIA membership.

  5. 55 mookie

    @Clichique

    Do you still wanna chat more JinYung?!

    We will never see another JY in many of our future lifetimes, they should national treasure his spanning complex wuxia epics, so any shorter (<2 vol) work 'limit' what he can do with his pen. Out of his shorter work, I love Flying Fox of Snowy Mountain and its companion piece Other Tales of Flying Fox. imo what JY did with that few number of pages blew my socks off. I still enjoy every read and thought it's masterfully written, but some of his works and I don't click emotionally.

    I loved Book and Sword, that's my first JY, maybe why. I havent reread it recently. I don't go crazy for a lot of JY main hero, tbh, so I can distance myself, all things considered I think there's sth very pure, true to essence, a simplier work in construct but well thought out in Book and Sword nonetheless. I'm intrigued in its exotic romanticism of muslims, ethnic groups in China. And I fangirl the thorough excessive research JY did and it shows. The hero CJL is a bit bland, but JY is projecting a lot of himself into the character so it's his intention to make it less up the hero pedestal. I have similar problems with Heaven Sword Dragon Sabre's ZWJ. Wishy washy in the romance dept, a bit too politician and less the wuxia hero red headed naivete, that maybe dumb for any hero's wellbeing, but I SWOON. I can always adore other aspects of the book, so it's not a bother.

    I repulsed reading RoCH as a 12 yo, a college kid, and now an ahjumma. 3 strikes. Even if I don't like certain characters, as most of them r not that black and white as JY advanced to his later works, I can follow precisely what the character is going through, what led to certain actions and words. Logic is seamless (eg WXB in Deer Cauldron) but RoCH have way too many characters I wanna headdesk them to senses. Epic romance in which I don't feel anything romantic at all.

    DemiGodSemiDevil is also my top 3. Smiling Proud Warrior used to be a very clear fav. But recent years, DGSD, DoMD r inching there and now I cant pick one, love these 3 like no other and for different reasons.

    But I wanna talk more on DoMD. JY wrote it after an 'exile' fr the HK riots in 67. Cultural revolution just up north, Commies fractions uprising against the British colonial government with widespread corruption, classism. He's chief editor of Mingpaonews, and major target of the rioters. See the resemblance of the world WXB is set in?! He wrote this scumbag hero, true son of a bitch whom we cant help to love to screw them all.

    • 55.1 ockoala

      You know what breaks my heart, twinnie?

      That the times have changed so much that we will NEVER see another Jing Yong again. So what does that leave the wuxia novel genre? Comprised by fantasy swordsplay written by 12 year old boys with a fixation on heroines with no brains but big boobs? It makes me beyond depressed to consider the future of this literary genre.

      In fifty years dramas will still be churning out remakes of JY novels, because there is nothing new out there.

      Book and the Sword is JY’s first novel, and it shows in his technique and construct. Everyone thinks Chen Jia Luo is bland as a hero, but I think this novel the hero is really less compelling even in JY’s mind than the notion of brotherhook (the Red Flower Society) and the notion of birth and political affiliation. I loved the novel, but didn’t like each individual plot element. Does that make sense? It works as a whole, but deconstructed I have issues with everything, esp. CJL and Princess %^&% (hate her so can’t even bring myself to call her name) “love story.”

      My top two JY novels mirror yours, except I replace DGSD with LoCH. My hatred of RoCH we’ve discussed, and the novel drama adaptation I’ve liked is Andy-Ady’s 1983 version, bc somehow his YG is not a giant lovesick douchebag. I don’t know how Andy pulled it off, but he didn’t annoy me.

      I think most of JY’s heroes tend to exemplify whatever BIG POINT he is trying to convey in the story, hence it’s harder to find truly multi-dimensional guys. Except for WXB, who I find the most rich and complex character ever written. Slippery as an eel, he is.

      Sigh, I think we’re due for a remake of Smiling Proud Wanderer again soon…..

      • 55.1.1 mookie

        ARGH, can we start praying SPW any remake in our lifetimes wont be related to JZJ?!?!?

        So true, what you said on Heroes of JinYung. I’m more into storytelling and the construct. Characters r part of the picture, but I seldom judge a book by my love for them.

        I’m at peace with it. as a wide-eyed 12 yo JY is my lifesaver and I feel so lucky to be of the gen that can read it quite early on in my silly fangirling life, plus we have some hard to beat TV adapts to swim happily in. I’m grateful it must’ve elevated my taste lvl in everything literary…. haha just think of IF I only slurp up shoujo mangas. OMGEEEE!

        I was past my heartbroken stage for mourning nth new or half as good as JY out there… ever again. I’ve read all Huang Yi, majorly time wasted and was in RAGE when my much younger cousin debated w/ me the HY vs JY. Patronizing, but I’m proud of what our gen. was exposed to as of those coming a decade later.

  6. 56 wenilinee

    must get this in—
    anyone who hasn’t tried should watch once upon a time in saengchori
    why so unloved? :) yoon shi yoon has recently cameoed! good stuff

  7. 57 blueangel

    Happy Lunar New Year!
    This year i’m loving MY PRINCESS AND DREAM HIGH.
    I’m a total PS and Jason shipper. I’ve been stalking Soompi’s DH forum for spoilers about them.

  8. 58 blueangel

    Forgot to add. I’m also looking forward to Javabean and Girlfriday’s podcast! I can’t wait to listen to them talk about the lastest dramas.

  9. 59 milonettix

    I don’t know if it’s been asked before, but am dying to ask this: did dramabeans already have a post on best soundtrack of the year? If they haven’t, I hope they will :D

    • 59.1 Janna

      It was Giant.

      I’m kidding, I don’t recall a post like that. Soundtrack throw down NOW. I say Giant because this is the best song I heard this year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7czyqBmuXM

      • 59.1.1 Kristal

        I listen to that song in my car when I need to ponder the reason of my existence or just get pumped up for a boring workday!

        GIANT OST for the win. Its pwns those cheesy kpop filled ones I tell ya!

        • 59.1.1.1 Kristal

          Oh wait…I just remembered that LOVING YOU is on the GIANT OST…

          • 59.1.1.1.1 Janna

            NO SHHH DON’T TELL THEM

          • 59.1.1.1.2 Kristal

            *grabs a life-sized standee of Mr Hand Towel… in a speedo*

            Ok, I think that will distract them and they will not even notice my previous comment! My work here is done

      • 59.1.2 supah

        Love how someone commented somewhere that the Giant theme was ‘better than the Imperial March’.
        (Thumbs up to that comment bro, thumbs way up.)

        Dudes, lest we forget the OST also has Shinji (one of my faves) and Edelweiss — both are masterpieces in my opinion. Also Une Noche Blanca (the Gang-mo theme), and pursuit of a Tragedy (the chaotic Jo Pil-yeon theme) — can’t knock this soundtrack, canny knock it, captain.

      • 59.1.3 asianromance

        okay, this song makes me want to watch the drama! breathtaking!

        • 59.1.3.1 Kristal

          And that’s not even the entire song!
          *sends subliminal messages to asianromance forcing them to watch Giant*

          • 59.1.3.1.1 Janna

            That’s true. I grabbed whatever link I found first, it’s just a sampling. For those curious the song is just called Giant, but there’s a few versions of it:

            1. Introduction to Giant (more woodwinds, vocal at the end)
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pxJ7d_OWv4

            2. Epilogue to Giant (more horns/was used more in the show, this is the full version of my previous link)
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6lCQI829ug

            Also there’s what I like to call the “super sad version” played by just one violin but it’s short so I won’t try to track it down.

          • 59.1.3.1.2 Kristal

            http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PQ2EGFMM
            That is a link to download Giant OST part 3 with the awesome instrumentals previously mentioned but alas no sad violin song. I think that one is on part 4 or 5.

          • 59.1.3.1.3 supah

            Sorry guys, can’t forget the Bad Guy OST either. Since Giant has a more epic score I won’t say it contends for the prime spot but maybe second? The fact that it went out of its way to be more original and reefreshing than other k-idol orientated soundtracks is quite a feat in itself.

            Here’s one solid example of how awesome it was:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skJpbccMSCE

            Aaaand… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkYNr_jFCnk
            This song is timeless. Reminds me of summer, the Paris metro and weirdly emough I can even smell YSL’s Cinema (perfume) whenever I hear this.

            Yeah, MVs are great, you see all the things that made Bad Guy great and you wouldn’t know how sucky the writing was. Genius.

    • 59.2 blueangel

      nope haven’t seen it but maybe she will.

  10. 60 kjt

    I’ve been watching Paradise Ranch and I have to say, my drama experience isn’t that same without dramabeans.

  11. 61 Kristal

    Does ANYONE out there in dramaland know where to get the FULL episodes of Dae Jo Yeong with subs? Streaming is fine but downloads are preferred! I’m 5 episodes in and the files I have are incomplete. *cries*

    • 61.1 supah

      They’re not incomplete, they’re condensed into 35mins per episode. I think. Or at least it seems so.
      I’m quite engrossed in it too. All cosied up in mah PJs, shoving shovelfuls of haribo in my mouth anxiously…

      • 61.1.1 supah

        ”You arrogant bastard…” (lunges at enemy).
        Aaah… Jang Young-cheol. In. Da. House!
        What bliss.

        Reaches for haribo jelly sweets bag but it’s empty. Can’t be running out of supplies when the show’s getting this exciting.

      • 61.1.2 Kristal

        The KBS World vids have scene missing which is a travesty! But yeah I was too into it so I decided to keep watching missing scenes or not!!

        I’m kinda sad Lee Dukhwa is on the Tang side since I’m obviously on the Goguryeo side but he kicks ass nonetheless with his colorful braids and I have a feeling him and DJY are gonna battle it out later!

        What episode you on? I’m only on like 8 or 9 so far but we finally got adult DJY’s first appearance wearing some major guyliner.

        • 61.1.2.1 supah

          I’m on episode 7…
          Started watching a little late on, I had been wantign to finish Gumiho Fox Child before embarking upon this lengthy journey of epic proportions and whatnot but had to give that up the writing was pretty f**king ridiculous (at least up till episode 7 it was, after which I lost the will to continue). In spite of it, the two little actresses: Kim Yoo-jeong and Seo Shin-ae are wonderful, just written so, very badly.

          After having watched JMG which had its own take on Gogoryeo, I’m kind of not on Gogoryeo’s side either.
          I’m on no one’s side. I am kingdomeless, like Lee Deok-hwa (who’s with the Tangs yet not with the Tangs). ”I knoweth not the face of my enemy, I fight whom I must fight, so that I may survive.” — Represent.

          I like Lee Deok-hwa (and his dreads) too. I’m really loving the Giant and Comrades merged cast. Still waiting for Jung Bo-seok and Jung Tae-woo to emerge.
          If you think CSJ is wearing guyliner there (is he?) just wait till you see him Comrades, have you begun on that yet?
          But Im Hyuk The Magical has yet to unsteal the show she stole from the get-go, he continues to be my favourite.

          • 61.1.2.1.1 supah

            Ick. Bad spellign and grammah all ova tha show, yo.

          • 61.1.2.1.2 Kristal

            The first 4 episodes had the worst spelligns evre! The was spelled teh and such…I don’t know if the translator didn’t know English all that well or was just careless. Luckily the KBS World translations are much better!

            Im Hyuk is the shit but sadly he has disappeared for the last few eps. I’m waiting for the hopefully magical reunion between him and his long lost son that should be coming up soon I think!!

            I see guyliner but maybe I’m imagining things. And nope, have yet to watch Comrades but I do know DJY is the lead in that as well and Lee Deok-hwa (I like your spelling better) is in it too. Sill totally loving LDK here too and his awesomesauce hair!

            Jung Bo Seok JUST showed up on the last episode I watched which was #12 and so did the female lead who by the way is like 20 years younger than both her male counterparts (I looked it up)! WTF.

            Oh and I totally saw Seongmo’s sidekick/partner-in-crime as an extra in one scene.

          • 61.1.2.1.3 supah

            Gaaahhh! I meant the typos in my comment above. I know what caused it though, I had my headphones on and was listening to distractingly loud music. (OK, I surrender, I need to go back to school and re-learn English.)

            Never mind the father-son meeting, I’m bowled over by the General (Yang Man-cheon) and DJY meeting alone.
            CSJ is a good actor, but I don’t know man, he never really does it for me, y’know?

            Just got up to episode 13 and it’s greeeeaaatt! Likely my favourite episode yet. Park Ye-jin is on fire!
            Jung Bo-seok finally appears and with lines like these: ”hold down your arrows, fools! What if they were to kill my Chao Lin?” <3

            W00t! Chan-seong!
            OK, no more spoilers outta you, miss. :p

          • 61.1.2.1.4 supah

            Sorry chick, by that last sentence I meant don’t be showing off just cos you’re ahead of me. Not to stop commenting, in case you were wondering. You are not getting out of this one. :p

          • 61.1.2.1.5 Kristal

            I didn’t even notice your bad spelling dork!

            Come on now, Chan-seong’s appearance wasn’t too much of a spoiler! I won’t mention another awesome, flashy clothes wearing, Giant alum who appeared for another episode then…I almost jumped up when I saw him and did a WHOOT.

            This is actually my first time seeing CJS act and he doesn’t blow me away or anything but he is ok. Park Ye Jin I really am not a fan of but she is doing well here even if her character and her “I love him, but I must kill him and destroy Goguryeo attitude” is annoying the crap outta me!

            I like seeing our pallee pallee Kim Hak-cheol playing somewhat of the comic relief in this show too. :)

          • 61.1.2.1.6 supah

            Oooh? Who? Go Jae-chun?
            Park So-tae… Hong Gi-pyo… Min Hong-ki? Who? Who?
            OK. Don’t tell me, I’ll get there myself and then I’ll spazz it out. Spaaazzzzz!

            Still love Chao-lin though, she’s willing to kick ass for her country and PYJ, she rocks! I get where her character’s coming from too. But eh, I’d sooner ship her with JBS. As with all epic stories, love is a frivolity and feelings can be overcome and all that stuff (except we know what inevitably happens in the end).

            I’m so like pissed off about the shiteouser than shiteous show that KSH is in these days, I still can’t believe he’s in such a show.
            And he’s not even the lead, did you know that?

          • 61.1.2.1.7 Kristal

            Ok wait, I must be totally dense but who is KSH?

            I totally would ship Chao Lin with JBS too but sadly his feeling are obviously not reciprocated. I like all that love stuff and wish there was a relationship on this show I could get behind but alas no. It would give us a little reprieve from all the war stuff, which I know is the main focus of the show being a sageuk and all, but I would like to see a little bit more than just constant killing and high treason sometimes to balance it out. I mean we are talking like 130 episodes here! I will watch Ja Myung-go though which I’m assuming has enough of that LOVE STUFF judging by the poster. :)

            You didn’t guess right yet but I would totally love a Hong Gi-pyo appearance! I thought the flashy dresser clue would give it away…hint hint. Sadly this person was only in one episode but I have a feeling we will be seeing them again especially since they told DJY ‘We will see each other again’. I smell some foreshadowing.

          • 61.1.2.1.8 supah

            KSH = Kim Soo-hyun. Look. It was Monday night, I hate Mondays, I was shattered and I came onto DB and saw that post and lost my shit, krazee-stylez!
            That Yonsama! Making my Seong-mo cry over someone other than his father. Y’know, like, someone who ISN’T some phenomenal Sandglass alumnae or Jung Bo-seok or something…

            But y’know I’ve gotta stop letting work make me so cranky like that. And understand that actors like KSH have to earn their rent money after all.

            ….OMG! KIM JUNG-HYUN!! OMG!!!!!!!!!! <3 <3 <3
            I cannot bloody wait! Kim Jung-hyun, you sexy beast!

            I'm still on episode 14 hun. Just abouts found the time to catch up with SC14 tonight. Will resume the DJY watch tomorrow…
            YESSSSSSSSS!!!

            I'm actually happy to watch romanceless stuff if the story is compelling enough. In fact a lot of the times I even prefer a non-romance. I.e. Seong-mo's story, which was compelling enough (read MEGA-MEGA compelling) to not need to a romance to dilute it down.

            Yeah, Ja Myung-go IS a love story. Kind of innovative and brilliant in parts, kind of cliched in parts, but thoroughly entertaining and engaging.

          • 61.1.2.1.9 supah

            Since there’s nothing like brainwashing people with MVs to get them to watch stuff…

            Here:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EttP_fWtmL8

            This version has Yeo Jin-gu in it! <3

            Oh and don't go clicking around on related vids a lot of them contain spoilery stuff. Enjoy.

          • 61.1.2.1.10 Kristal

            Oh, you mean Scream High? Heh. You better not diss that one to loudly or else the fangirls will get you and I think there are LOTS of them around these parts…

            There are a few shows without romance I enjoyed like White Tower and Evasive Inquiry Agency (it had a smidgen of it but wasn’t a big storyline or anything) but I’m a big romantic and go gaga for GOOD love stories.

            Is it just me or is the Gilsabiwu (or however you spell it) kinda sexy…I think its his mysterious aura or something.

            I’m sorry to hear work and life and stuffz has you stressed. At least there are always kdramas to help cheer you up!

          • 61.1.2.1.11 supah

            Haha! Don’t worry about work, I don’t, it’s one of those topics I avoid giving much thought to (but there are rare exceptions where I just think I’ll explode if I don’t) but basically the more you talk about it the more it becomes solidified as an ‘issue’. So like, huh, whut? What’s this work? I don’t know no non-entities!

            Gilsabiwu is being played by Choi Cheol-ho and I really dislike this actor. I was so happy with the cast and then BAM! I saw him and my heart sank a little. But he’s doing a decent enough job so I’ll pretend I don’t know it’s him. Haha! Sorry chick. I hope I didn’t ruin the magic for you…

            Not heard of the other drama you mentioned but not seen White Tower yet. I think I should plonk that on my To Watch list already.
            Not in the mood for it currently, but I know I will be sometime.

            Yeah, I has kdrama to cheer me up, especially Saengchori… speaking of whom, I have solved the mystery! That JMG MV I linked! The JPY-Clone was in it! How could I not have noticed him earlier? He was Ho-dong’s royal guard. D’oh! Haha!

  12. 62 Toya

    Anyone see the Warrior’s Way trailer with Jang Dong Gun in it? Any thoughts?

    • 62.1 Toya

      Well aside from the obvious which is why it took them so long to get to his name.

    • 62.2 brookeeve

      I saw it. Probably one of the prettiest films to come out that I’ve seen in a long time. Here, this pretty much explains it all:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n-Ps19p_OM

  13. 63 Grandpa

    Hello. I’m Grandpa from My Princess. I wear nice suits. I wear nice shoes. My hair is cool. I don’t tilt my head when I emote. My voice is nice – kind of growly but nice. My eyes are attractive with medium-length lashes.

    Why doesn’t anybody talk about my suits or my shoes or my hair or my voice or my lashes? Why doesn’t anybody go crazy over my non-head tilt? Why doesn’t anybody make a bts of me?

    I. AM. SAD.

    • 63.1 Dandelion

      Gramps, don’t be sad. Just go easy on the yelling, and your popularity will shoot up. Trust me.

  14. 64 Grandpa

    Maybe a change of hairstyle would boost my popularity. Seul’s popular cos she keeps changing her hairstyle. So I’m thinking of sweeping my hair up into a little bun in front like Seul did to hers in the library scene. Or maybe pleat one side of it like Seul did in a previous ep. Or wear a black wig like YJ’s? Do you think that would make me more attractive? Pls give me some feedback here….I’m desperate.

    • 64.1 Dandelion

      I prefer Grandpa with his grandpa hair….sorry, Gramps!

      • 64.1.1 YY

        Izzie likened that hair to a skunk’s.

  15. 65 qldgal

    so, I pretty much never watch dramas because of what actresses are playing in them, but i will say, that if/when shim eun kyung goes on screen, then I’m totally going fan girl on it. She was so adorable in her child acting roles, & my favorite character in Bad Guy. I’m sure she would rock the industry if she came back after school. I reeeally hope she does =[

  16. 66 Greentea

    What an awesome question for this thread!

    When i watch dramas, I love the theme of bad boys chasing good girls so my picks of male characters to date would be:

    BOF Kim Bum’s character
    Taiwanese drama Devil Beside You Mike He’s character
    Lead actor in My Girl (ok the character wasnt exactly bad boy but he was so hot!)

    Basically any drama with the bad boy changed by love theme….in fact, if you guys have suggestions, please let me know. Im currently looking for a new drama to obsess about!

    • 66.1 pohonphee

      Who are you? – the best character change ever in K drama ever for me

      Brilliant Legacy – Hwan

      Bad guy – Kim jae wook’s Hong Tae-song (probably not everyone will agree, but here come my bias toward Kim jae wook, and K drama god knows I like every single character in Bad Guy, gah I will recommend this drama to every one who have not watched it, the character development is so good, if you have heard the rumor about its bad ending, ignore it every thing else will compensate)

      i think there’re more…

      Jaebin in the last scandal
      Guroh in SKKS , hee :P
      Kang Ji-hwan’s character (Lee Jun-soo??) in Coffee House
      Choi Han-kyul in Coffee Prince, HAH!

      But I like these characters too before they change at the end of episode, just a little bit irritating but I can take that they are cute ha, ha, ha

      • 66.1.1 Grampa's bits

        Agree with you on WAY.

        I remember being very aware of how much I disliked him at the beginning, and saying to myself, “It’s gonna take a lot of transforming for him to win this girl.”

  17. 67 VanillaSalt

    TGIFF (thank god is freakin’ friday)! I need a weekend of rest, seriously. (caution: rant/ complaining/bad puncuation ahead) okay, so i have three projects due next week which means, i can’t watch my dramas :( I have a math project, history project, and english project due! aish! althoughm, my english project is acutally a research project and it has to be argumentative. It’s if north korean and south korea go to war, should the U.S. be involved? i like my topic but honestly, my teacher is making it slightly complicated. we had to have these 50 notecards and like a pro-con chart and all this other stuff. it was just obnoxious. Ugh!

    ….okay rant over. haha!

    I’m so addicted to MP right now. I’m only on episode 6, but its so cute!

  18. 68 Lea

    I guess I’m the only one digging Sign at the moment.

  19. 69 tinatot

    this week…
    MY PRINCESS killed me! i cant wait for the next episode! hahaha!

    Dream High is also killing me!! i want my jinguk-hyemi couple! <3

  20. 70 Lisa

    Happy Lunar New Year to all my dear OTers and kpop lovers.

    I just want to share this link to a site where some of the most recent idol shows can be found subbed.

    http://www.rmsub.com/

  21. 71 Me

    Anyone here interested in downloading President with English or Spanish hardsubs?

    The Spanish subbed episodes 1-4 are being seeded at d-addicts. If there are no seeds for the English subbed episodes, let me know here so that I can seed them for you.

  22. 72 supah

    YOWZA!
    @janna and Kender

    You girls seen the new episode of Gisaeng Tales?
    Damn it, Damo! :O

    • 72.1 Janna

      The musical cue says empathize and I say no dice show.

      • 72.1.1 supah

        Saran acting exactly as I would have. Go, sister!

    • 72.2 Kender

      Yeah, watched it a couple of hours ago.

      All of my love for him flew out the window with that. Just..omfg, what an ass. Saran acted pretty much the way I would too. Although I might’ve hit him, who knows, but then again I might’ve been crying too hard.

      I’m curious to see how he’s going to react when she becomes a gisaeng, now. Will he throw her words back in her face? I imagine they’re going to fight a lot more in the future. Which is perfectly fine by me, as I found their rage!emoting better than their brooding!emoting. Hottttt.

      And off-topic, what’d you think of Son-ja’s (Saran’s stepsister’s guy friend) hair? At first I was all “wtf is that, boy o.o” but now I kinda like it. :D

      • 72.2.1 supah

        Son-ja’s hair is strange. So very strange. It’s not wild enough, or trendy enough, it’s kind of retro but it’s strange. It’s so confusing. I hate it.
        Oh and now I can kindasorta understand Gong-joo’s perpetually glum expression even when she’s dancing. Cos she’s rage dancing! To obnoxiously loud music.
        I liked the supposed juxtapositioning of the dance scenes between both sisters, how they restrain themselves, their inner frustrations and channel them through dance instead, just very contrasting styles of dance.
        Oh and makjang finally made its presence known in yesterday’s episode… Guh! But the writing’s still maintaining a level of quality in spite of it, I like how it remains introspective and is set with realistic foundations.

        But like, Damo! His attitude is so f**ked up!
        I think her response was very good, and she made him come back for her FOUR times. Especially relished in the very last bit when she holds her head up high and doesn’t even give him a backward glance. Zing. That’s exactly how you teach a guy your value.
        Yeah, their fights are going to be verrrry interesting.

        • 72.2.1.1 Kender

          Haha I actually love Son Ja’s hair. It’s like Two Face, only not, and so effing random. I love how Saran’s jaw dropped when she saw it and she’s just like “…huh.” XD

          I’m amused by Gongjoo’s music choices. Apparently she has an affinity for classic American rock?

          Yeah, I noticed the level-ness too. No matter how makjang some of the elements are, it doesn’t feel like it’s going to end up a weepy, rage-y mess yet. Most of the characters’ reactions actually feel pretty natural (even Damo’s asshat move to take Saran to the hotel, as much as I hated it, didn’t feel like it came completely out of nowhere.

          Have you watched today’s ep yet? I’m still downloading it (had a fight with my wireless this morning and couldn’t get reconnected until a little bit ago), but I’m expecting some fun stuff. Rarasisboombah’s gonna be a major painnnnnnn when she realizes Damo’s the one she’s been set up with.

        • 72.2.1.2 supah

          Today’s episode? Loved it!!
          Don’t know… Maybe it was the midnight brother to brother chat with andweh! (That pup — WANTS!) Or Damo’s black suit which made me all giddy-swoony-goosepimply! Or the imaginary scenarios in his head! OMG! Hahahaha!
          If nothing else, I’m glad he’s receptive enough to know where he messed up and he’s trying his hardest to undo it. So I won’t hate him as intensely now, but proud of Saran for remaining resistant to his charms. Go girl.

          The matseon was quite… well, many things. Damo and Rara pairing aside it’s one way of finally understanding Damo’s uber-rich world, it seriously is a refreshingly realistic way of bringing to life conflicts which are so often romanticised in every drama, ever.

          Son-ja and Gong-joo forever! I heart this OTP.
          His hair IS random isn’t it? It may just gradually grow on me, it was less offensive today, but I’m still wishing he would make his mind up and make it all black or all his weird choice of green tinged-blonde.

          • 72.2.1.2.1 Kender

            ANDRE. I don’t know how he does it, but that dog just keeps getting more and more adorable. Especially the midnight convo with Damo, totally perfect.

            My Damo love is quickly returning. He’s just TOO PRETTY not to love. And that SUIT. Unf unf unf yes please. And I love his ridiculously overactive imagination, worrying about what she’s telling her friends about him and thinking about her hitting him.

            I also enjoyed Damo and Saran’s meeting in front of her apartment. Damo’s still all self-important and I think he still doesn’t quite get why what he did was so awful, but I like that he is trying to explain himself and make amends. And you have no idea how much I appreciated that he didn’t do the quintessential Kdrama male lead thing and grab her wrist. I could accept him grabbing her shoulder because he did it lightly and let go as soon as he was facing her, but grabbing her wrist would’ve been totally hateful.

            And the elevator scene! Where he asks what she wants and she says she wants to date properly (didn’t quite catch the word at the beginning, but I think she meant through to marriage?)..and then it turns out he was hallucinating again and all she really wants if for him to let go of the door so she can go on up. Interesting insight into his mind, especially given his stunned reaction to his own fantasy and his (somewhat angry) disappointment when she told him to let go. He may think he just wants to play around with someone interesting for a while, but obviously his subconscious wants more than that, and it wants it with Saran.

            As for Saran, I really like her when she’s standing up to Damo. She’s so proper and demure otherwise (yeah she has a sense of humor and is a bit sarcastic, but it’s always within the bounds of what’s appropriate) that I like seeing the fire in her eyes when she’s pissed off. And it’s clear she’s still a little affected by him, but I’m glad she’s sticking to her principles and not letting herself be moved by his pretty face.

            And I wonder how long Damo’s going to date Rara, when it’s obvious he doesn’t feel anything for her (the look on his face when he saw that she was his matseon partner!) and is still very interested in Saran. (The preview! With the late-night visit and the doorbell-ringing omo omo.)

            I’m just waiting for Saran’s nosy stepmother to throw a wrench into things. They’re totally setting her up to ruin whatever Damo and Saran have happening between them, so I’m curious to see how that happens.

            But off the topic of Damo/Saran, I’m totally on the Son-ja/Gong-joo ship. They are SO CUTE, with him piggybacking her to the bathroom and telling her to call him if she needs help. She so clearly doesn’t see him as a guy, it’s going to be fun when the switch finally turns on in her brain. I wonder if the writer’s going to introduce another love interest for one of them later, or if she’s going to just keep them in their own little world and have their relationship develop that way.

            And speaking of wrist-grabbing, I also didn’t mind Son-ja grabbing Gong-joo’s wrist, because it was a substitute for hand-holding while she had her hands in her pockets and because their current noona-dongsaeng relationship wouldn’t accept straight hand-holding. It was cute, unobtrusive, and completely acceptable in my view.

            (I’m a bit obsessed with wrist-grabbing in Kdramas. It fills me with rage-y rage whenever I see it, so I’m always thrilled when I find alternatives being used, or when it’s done in a relatively non-possessive way.)

            And completely random, but I think Sung Hoon is incapable of keeping his head still when he talks. I keep noticing his head bobbing around and it makes me laugh. But I’ll chalk it up to his newbie-ness and forgive him. ♥

            This..was very long. I get very verbose when I talk about my dramas. I’m sorry. XD

          • 72.2.1.2.2 supah

            Haha! You can go ahead and be as verbose as you want, I don’t mind.

            Yeah, Damo’s definitely seeming a bit uncomfortable with his body language.
            But there’s something about Sung Hoon. I can’t call him a bad actor even though he’s kind of merely doing a passable job so far and is looking quite uncomfortable at it. He’s green, he still has potential. At least he’s not ‘flat’. Y’know?
            Saran seems to be progressively better by the episode.

            Haha! Wrist-grabby-phobe! It’s awful isn’t it?
            Yeah, I just hate watching guys invading a girl’s personal space without her feelings being mutual, and wrist-grabbing definitely fits that category.

            Saran’s stepmother seems so harmless, yet we can see she’s a bigger threat than she seems, what’s with the lackeys? Hope she’s not paying them — with money? I’m sure her job at the gibang doesn’t pay that kind of money. Arrgh! She’s so crass.
            Saran’s dad on the other hand is totally going to smash my heart to smithereens, he totally won me over when he treated his girls at that expensive Italian place, knowing he can barely afford that kind of luxury.
            I so hope they won’t be killing him off in order to drive Saran to desperation, to do the inevitable.

            And I’m not even going to go into who’s whose real dad. It’s too complicated, I’ll let the writer unfurl it for us. I need a backstory though.

          • 72.2.1.2.3 Kender

            I think I’m going easy on Sung Hoon because he hasn’t actually had to do much acting yet — most of the time he just stands there like a bored little prince, which is what he is. I think he’s cute when he’s thinking about Saran though, and when he’s interacting with Andre. And I think the best acting both he and Lim Soo-hyang did was during their fight scenes. I think they’re just inexperienced and stuff and haven’t yet fully figured out how to express their characters. (But I still want to know where the hell Sung Hoon came from — he’s 27 already! How does a magnetic guy like that stay hidden?)

            I think the guys tailing Saran aren’t her stepmother’s lackeys. Remember, she got a detective (I think a friend of hers? I dunno, maybe she has secret mob ties) to find out who Saran was meeting; I think the guys following Saran are just an extension of that. They’ll probably go away soon, now that her suspicions have been supposedly confirmed.

            Yes, I do love Saran’s dad. He seems like such a sweet man, I’ll be upset if he ends up dead or in the hospital or something.

            Hahaha yeah, the birth secrets deal is very confusing. But I kinda like that it’s being kept a secret, because even the characters themselves are largely in the dark.

          • 72.2.1.2.4 supah

            Hah! Exactly, he’s got a long way to go as an actor but he’s magnetic! He has a certain pull, allure that’s natural. <3

            I think like many melodramas, they'll have an unrequited love theme which starts from the parents generation and trickles down into the younger generation where it's finally fulfilled. Saran is definitely the Byeongkak Madam's younger counterpart, the former who wears her elaborate hanboks while her kohl-rimmed eyes twinkle with tears over a lost love… Aah, so romantic. Damo better be worth it, heh.

            Just found the new snaps in the site's gallery, hasn't she already graduated from the school of dance? This must be a flashback then:
            http://wizard2.sbs.co.kr/w3/template/tpl_iframetype.jsp?vVodId=V0000349314&vProgId=1000672&vMenuId=1013985&no=16

            Hey, they also have pics of Andre! *squeeeee*

          • 72.2.1.2.5 Kender

            Maybe this drama will be good practice for Sung Hoon so he can improve his acting and take on bigger projects. I’ve grown quite fond of his face these days, and I’d love to see more of him.

            Has she graduated already? I thought she was coming up on graduation and was planning on auditioning for that dance company. That’s why she was using the practice room at her school, and I think she was studying in the school library too. Rara’s in the same class, and her father told Damo’s dad that Rara was still a student.

            I like the post on the gallery introducing Andre, where it’s just him barking and then a “translation” XD So adorable~ ♥

            And I dunno how worthy Damo is at the moment. He’s different from the usual chaebol character, but he hasn’t proven to me yet that he’s worthy of a truly great love. Then again, Saran hasn’t really made herself particularly special either, so I don’t know that she’s worthy of Damo. I hope they both grow and develop so that I’m rooting for them with every fiber of my being.

            I’m still invested in their love story, though. I just hope it gets deeper than the somewhat shallow thing it is right now.

          • 72.2.1.2.6 Janna

            *scrollscrollscroll* *clicks reply*
            I feel like I clog up this board with my randomness but YES the hair made me think of two face too. But it is also retro but I don’t know in a good or bad way. I think we’re all conflicted on what we think of it…furthermore…

            did we go over the fact that Damo has that weird picture of himself in his room on his wall and I guess everyone even grandma is okay with that? Like really? ………Really?

          • 72.2.1.2.7 Kender

            Not only is it a picture of himself, it’s a picture of his ABS. I don’t get it either, but hey, I’m not gonna complain about being able to see that body more often. ;D

          • 72.2.1.2.8 supah

            Kender: Aaargh… that’s the frustrating thing about these looong-ass series. It’ll be slow-burn torture kind of stuff till we see that kind of depth in our OTP. We need patience.

            Both of you: that choco-abs pic is kinda too saucy considering no-one else really visits his room but his old-fashioned mama, probably papa and grandma, too and like Andre.
            But if you think that’s bad, have you ever seen Rain’s in Full House? I know he was meant to be playing a movie star but really? A light-up picture of himself topless.

            But Damo can do it, who gives a damn? I don’t mind moar saucy Damo. I’m with Kender. Not complainin’.

          • 72.2.1.2.9 Kender

            Slow burn indeed. It’s a good thing I’m not really keeping up with any other weekend dramas. (I’m watching Geunchogo, but I really need subs for that..)

            I don’t understand when ANY characters have huge pictures of themselves, even movie stars. I mean, maybe if you’re an old movie star and have pictures of you in your heyday, I can understand that. Or pictures of a truly momentous achievement, like winning a Daesang or getting married or with your long-lost-but-most-favourite-grandparent-ever. But pictures of you at the same age you currently are, with or without clothes? It’s..so creepy.

            I kinda want Rara to steal that poster and put it in her own room. Because a) I could totally see her doing that and b) it needs to not be in Damo’s room anymore. XD And then she can stare at it longingly and touch his lovely abs and fantasize just like every other red-blooded girl would do. I know I would.

          • 72.2.1.2.10 Janna

            At first I thought blown up marriage photos (more like marriage posters amiright) were weird, but then I got over that. I’m also fine with the movie star character type having photos of themselves because it sets a stage. The kind of stage that says “That man? Over there? He’s a vain jackass.”

            To a degree you could say Damo is spoiled/vain. But how could he even show that picture to his parents with a straight face. It’s not like they have never been in his room before. I’m picturing it now, everyone eating fruit in the living room, grandma nodding appropriately in how well he’s turned out. Haha. ………..This show has made me seem like a pervert. Stupid show. D:

          • 72.2.1.2.11 Kender

            No no no, I’m right there with you on the pervy-but-not-really bit. I’m just waiting for the moment Damo’s mom or grandmother does the obligatory pat on the butt, like all Kdrama women seem to do to their offspring at some point. I’ll probably die. XD

          • 72.2.1.2.12 supah

            Talking about movie stars with pictures…
            Janna would know this guy Park Sang-min, whose interview I watched a while back before it was removed from youtube. But do you he has a certain 60-episode’s epic’s main poster on the inside of his wardrobe door? and on the other inside door has a picture of another of his works but from way back, something like this, I think from when he did Hoodlum Lessons. http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy176/supah5/Giant/Giant%20Promo/3497.jpg
            (He’s always enshrouded in smoke this guy, but where there is smoke there is fire, right?)
            *puts fist in mouth, tries not to let her heart explode from the awesomeness — i love him i love him… I’m going to find those posters and stick on the inner doors of my wardrobe too*

            Anyways, where were we?

            Sorry… Yeah… Damo. Hahahahaha! Rararara’s little fantasy’s crack me up. I can so picture her doing that!

            And I’m still finding her weirdly endearing. It’s surprising how much she DOESN’T annoy me. Like WTF?!?

            I hate pervs too (no, really! *sheepish*), but I’m just rollin with whatever the show does. Don’t know when the novelty and lustre will wear off and I’ll get bored and drop it. Otherwise it’s showing promise of something more intense and poignant so I’ll wait and see.

            Kender: Damo’s mum is no Baek Geum-ja! Hee hee! She’s more Mary Sue.

  23. 73 Katey B

    I’ve just finished watching ‘Hwang Jin Yi’ starring Ha Ji Won.

    The tears are still falling down my face as I type.

    If you love dance, sageuk, and or just Ha Ji Won I totally recommend it.

  24. 74 NV

    Hey everyone!

    I’m hoping a Korean speaker can help me with something. I need to translate “very much alive”. I used google translate and it told me it’s “아주 많이 살아” but those online translators usually aren’t right.
    Could anyone give me a good translation for this?
    Thank you so much! :]

  25. 75 watchumlots

    This is a serious question:

    WHERE can I go to free myself of this K/J drama addiction?

    Watched 80 hours of Jumong in 60 hours, how is that for CRACK? Started watching K/J dramas in Jan of 2010 and can’t stop. Was thrilled to hear my husband would be going to a Super Bowl party, MORE FREE QUIET TIME to feed my Kdrama addiction!!!

    Found a site: allkoreandrama.com and started at the top of the list, have been working my way through the alphabet.

    This is how bad it has become: a little kid fell down at the local Target and when I heard him cry Omah, I asked him if he was OK in KOREAN! Didn’t even know I could speak Korean. My husband said “when did you learn that language?” Admittedly, I speak four languages, but didn’t realize Korean may be the 5th.

    So if my husband insists, where is a 12-step (or any) program to kick this crippling drama addiction?

    • 75.1 balletbabe

      O_o Wow, just wow! I’m not sure if there is a cure for this this, you should probably just go beat the person who introduced you to this world <_<

      Perhaps after you get a fix of your addiction and you come to realize most dramas follow similar cliches (and develop a preference) your "problem" will tone down a bit, hum!!

      BTW I thought you story "a little kid fell down at the local Target and when I heard him cry Omah, I asked him if he was OK in KOREAN! Didn’t even know I could speak Korean." was totally cute ^_^ Did he respond to you are just give you a weird look?

      Good luck (I sincerely, mean this),
      Anna

  26. 76 supah

    janna:
    You still watching Saengchori or have you boycotted it altogether? You bitter woman!

    I was a bit late watching 14, it was freakin’ HILARITY! Like Jo Pil-yeon Clone’s toilet humour, the latter kinda humour normally isn’t my kinda thing, but his brand of toilet humour TOTALLY appeased my inner 3yr old, I almost weed myself literally DYING with laughter.

    And THAT is how you write romantic comedy! Absolutely Genius!

    I wish JPY-Clone would go back to wearing military green and aviator sunnies again.
    But saying that, have you seen his eyes? Omo! Who do those remind you of?
    http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy176/supah5/Drama%20Special/1-2.jpg

    Why wasn’t this guy in Giant? As JPY’s little brother or something? And Cha Bo-cheol’s father?
    That would then make these two FIRST cousins…
    http://i789.photobucket.com/albums/yy176/supah5/Giant/Giant%2040-50/7-1.jpg

    Aw, the fanficness of that.

    Seriously man, I need to know more about this JPY-Clone, he’s pretty awesome.

    • 76.1 Janna

      Yeah I’m still watching it. I’m glad the situation wasn’t resolved so easily and they had to work at it. Yep that sounded vague enough for those who aren’t caught up. I knew it would work if she went for it. Haha…

      Man Joo Sang Wook and Hwang Jung Eum really are everywhere at the moment. I’d watch Max-time if I got paid to watch Max-time. He really wants everyone to watch, new posters, super-promoting it… blahblahblah.

      Guess what I’m watching tonight? Time to make good on my word. (cringes)

  27. 77 supah

    *covers ears and cowers*
    I can hear those bloodcurdling screams all the way here, bro!

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