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  1. Shiku

    Happy Friday everyone!

    • 1.1 Shiku

      Yay! I am first! Never happened before!

      *Does the happy dance, the kuku dance, the electric slide, breakdances..*

      Don’t judge me!

      • 1.1.1 Raine

        Shiku! HI! I feel like I haven’t seen you in ages! Food – there is a really good Indian restaurant but I can’t remember what it’s called. It’s up north of me so a friend always takes me. There is a delicious Chinese place down south thats just called Chinese food. It serves American Chinese and real Chinese. So when I go with my Chinese friend, I get the good stuff.

        • Shiku

          I have been in and out in OT but I always seem to miss you. Did you decide to move to Colorado? I am moving again later this month further along the East Coast and am pretty excited but am sad at the same time as I won’t be seeing snow very often.

          • Shukmeister

            Come to Virginia! We get smattering of snow, which is more than enough in my book. ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Shiku

            Sounds nice but am moving to North Carolina and am actually concerned there is a lot of racism over there.

      • 1.1.2 cmrprindle

        Happy Weekend, Shiku!

        If I danced I might judge you, but I don’t so I won’t! I’ll admire instead ๐Ÿ˜€

      • 1.1.3 dramabliss

        *Clap! Clap! Clap!*

        Would appreciate some dirty dancing, too.

    • 1.2 Shiku

      Since I haven’t watched k-dramas this week, I will ask a non-k-drama related question.

      What’s your favorite restaurant and why?

      Mine is Bahama Breeze because they have live entertainment and good Carribean food.

      • 1.2.1 ahjummabunny

        what a hard question! my favorite restaurant is any that delivers indian food to my house!

        • Jomo

          Does such a place exist?
          I would be in heaven!

          • ahjummabunny

            well there is this place but they expect me to order over $35 ( not really a problem I could eat indian food everyday for a week or invite someone over) and then charge $12.50 for delivery charge. That chafes me the most but I’m sure I’ll give in any day now.

          • Kiki

            In any large city! I can get anything delivered. Kitchen? Who needs a kitchen. All I need is a phone and a place to store the take out menus.

          • Jennifer

            lol I say make it yourself! You never know what people put in your food these days. I’m not THAT big of a health nut, I swear!

            And $12 delivery charge and then if you give them a tip…?! Crazy!

      • 1.2.2 Shukmeister

        Local themed: Atashi, a Korean restaurant that serves the best bibbimbap around

        Chain: Ruby Tuesdays, I like the salad bar and sliders for lunch.

        Seafood (I’m on the Atlantic Ocean): Beach Pub, a darling little dive with scarred wooden tables, old chairs, a 50-beer selection, and fish so fresh you’d swear their eyes were pleading at you. My favorite is the blacken tuna burrito.

        • Jennifer

          That beach pub sounds amazing! like a secret local spot.

          • Shukmeister

            Yep – it doesn’t look like much, but it never is empty. And it’s far enough from the oceanfront that few if any tourists will find it. And since it’ll probably never make a Diners and Dives episode (sorry Shel), there’s rarely a waitlist.

            We actually have had a couple of local restaurants make the Food Network, including one that my late cousin worked in. He had said Bobby Flay is a pretty nice guy face to face.

          • shel

            Yup, Phil’s was a tiny little place until the Food Network got hold of it.

          • Jennifer

            I deff need to give it a try when I’m in the area!

      • 1.2.3 Leaf

        Hmm… Wagamama is really awesome ๐Ÿ˜€

        • MissyT

          I love Wagamama too!

          • kewbie

            I’ve only been there once a few years ago when I was visiting, but yeah, it really is good. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • 1.2.4 shel

        Local: Phil’s Fish Market Although now that made a couple of Food Network shows (did a cioppino throw-down where he beat Bobby Flay) we can only go in the off-season cuz the line is ridiculous. Love the clam chowder, the onion rings, the giant mahi mahi tacos and live bluegrass music three days a week.

        Mexican: Grew up on Mexican so I’m picky. The Whole Enchilada down the street. It’s a fun atmosphere, the food is fabulous, tho a bit pricey. Especially love hanging out on the patio eating outdoors when the weather is nice. Most often though I eat at Sarita’s, a litte tiny place that is the only place I’ve found in California that makes Mexican like my Arizona roots. And, it’s cheap, and they make the best carnitas in the world.

        Asian: The Lemon Grass Thai place. LOVE LOVE LOVE their curries and their Pad Thai.

        Couldn’t think of a single chain that I like as much as any of those. Maybe Islands Burgers…but I usually get fish tacos there, go figure. :0)

        • Shukmeister

          Shel!! That all sounded great. But what’s cioppino?

          • shel

            Cioppino is a San Francisco/Italian seafood soup. Tomato based. Apparently, when the Italian fishermen in SF would come in …the Italian mamas would have a big pot of tomato/fish broth going and they would throw whatever seafood they could into it: calamari, shrimp, fish, crab, mussels. So its a SF regional thing….usually served with sourdough.

   There’s the first part of the throwdown video, they’ll probably explain it there.

          • Shukmeister

            Whooo, sounds yummy. I wonder if any restaurants serve that in Virginia Beach? I think I’ll add that to my “Gotta Try” list in my PalmPilot…

          • shel

            Ooh…I just watched the video. I live 3 miles inland from Moss Landing, which is where Phil’s is. That’s the beach where we go watch the sunset in the summer and go hunting for sand dollars in the winter.

          • Shukmeister

            @ Shel – from the sound of it, if you go there this afternoon, you’ll be all healed by the time you get a table. lol

          • shel

            LOL could be, but it’s off season. We’re cool until spring break month….mid March to mid April it’s nuts while everyone comes here on Spring break….a smart move because our nicest weather is in the spring and fall. Summers tend to be foggy and kind of chilly.

            Our favorite bluegrass band plays on Tuesday nights and we go pretty regularly in the off-season. And for sure, all birthdays. It’s not a birthday until Billy of Bean Creek sings you Happy Birthday…he always makes up the 2nd verse and it’s always funny. He’s been singing Happy Birthday to my baby girl since she was about 3.

          • shel

            At 2:56 in part 2, is my band! From the left Annie (amazing fiddle player….search for her on youtube, Annie Staninec) John, Billy and Sarah. We started going to Phil’s when my daughter was tiny and she would dance in the aisles. A couple of years ago, Sarah came up and said “is this the same little girl that used to dance in the aisles?” Now she’s “too cool”. But, if they know we’re coming, they save us table by theirs. Annie has moved on, got a gig touring Europe with a more famous bluegrass band, but they just got another fiddle/banjo player and keep on.

        • Sethe

          Why do we have to talk about all the foods that just aren’t the same in Korea again this week?

          I LOVE Mexican, and same for Indian, and it’s also occurred to me that I miss NY-style bagels, deli sandwiches, and pizza. There’s plenty of pizza here, but never the greasy, cheese-only kind you can find all over NYC…

          I’m not really a foodie, but, being vegetarian, I really can’t appreciate Korean food as much as many people can, and am left to crave the foods I enjoyed in the US that aren’t typical here, because vegetarianism is so rare.

          • Shukmeister

            Poor Sethe

            [pat on head with one hand, eating tempeh burger with other]. Ok, I’m just evil…lol

            But welcome to OT anyway!!!

          • Sethe

            Hi Shuk!

            I don’t know if you’re making fun of me (and other vegetarians), but I actually really like tempeh ๐Ÿ™‚ On the bright side, there is plenty of tofu here, and I’ve found it, on the whole, much more flavorful than the US tofu I’ve had.

            And, if I haven’t mentioned it before, I do love me some ramyun (ADORE my sodium), and that’s plentiful here.

          • shel

            Aw, Sethe! Sending a virtual black bean/roasted corn/monterey jack/cilantro quesedilla on a homemade tortilla from Miguel’s in Marina. My favorite lunch. No one should be Mexican food-deprived, ever. :0)

          • shel

            ….with quacamole, of course….

          • shel

            Should I have the Mitt-ster deliver it? Although, he’s a bit busy these days….

          • Sethe

            Oh, you’re so sweet, Shel ๐Ÿ™‚

            Don’t forget the chips and salsa!

            And yeah, having Mittens be the delivery man would be fantastic… but he’s super-busy gearing up for Super Tuesday these next few days (trying to figure out what positions he should publicly take on important issues, and all). But, you know, if he has a few hours…

          • Shukmeister

            @ Sethe

            Tempeh is the only vegetarian product I like. For health reasons I have to limit my intake of soy.

            But, yes, I was making fun of you, too! Hee!

          • Sethe


            Why were you making fun of me?

          • Shukmeister

            Basically I make fun of everybody, including myself, my family, the dog, work, prime numbers, Diet Dr Pepper, my eating habits and attire, and anything else that strikes me.

            I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings; it wasn’t meant to be mean-spirited or anything.

        • shel

          Talking about all my fave places made me hungry for Thai, so I had hubby go get take out at Lemon Grass. I told them medium spicy, but I dunno whose scale they were using. BUT, ’twas yummy anyway and I have the added bonus of clear sinuses now, lol.

          Penang Curry, Pad Thai and Pineapple Fried Rice. YUM!

          • JoAnne

            Pad Thai and Pineapple Fried Rice! My two favorite things! Add my third, Tiger Shrimp, and I’m done for ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Shukmeister

            I like Pad Thai, never tried pineapple rice, and do you have to remove the claws from the Tiger Shrimp?

            Most of my food weaknesses revolve around chocolate chip cookie dough, but if I had to state my favorite entre it would have to be my father’s slops.

            It’s a recipe from his Navy days: Ground beef simmered with minestrone soup and vegetables, poured over a heaping mound of mashed potatoes. It’s like shepherd’s pie, but upside down. Yummy and you get to play with your food.

      • 1.2.5 Cruelsummer

        There used to be this tiny little carribean restaurant around the corner from my college. I have yet to find a place that has better jerk chicken.

        Favorite Chain Restaurant: Red Robin. Love their steak fries and it’s my daughter’s favorite restaurant, so it just feels like family time whenever we go.

      • 1.2.6 Jomo

        Favorite place for the cusine is Tast of India, although it is expensive! Love everything on the menu.

        Favorite place for both food, ambience and memories is a greek family owned restaurant Kosta’s in the neighborhood where I grew up.

        It started out when I was a teen as one of those counter only diners where they cooked right in front of you. Over the years, they have expanded many times, added a patio, added wine, added fancy coffees, but still maintained the family feeling.

        Best souvkaki, best breakfasts, best seafood.

        I walked there as a child and hung out. Stumbled there in college to eat post bar closing breakfasts.
        Pushed my stroller there filled diaper bags and baby food so I could relax in the sun and eat something other than PB&J.
        Take my kids there after big concerts and school events.
        It is where I take out of town friends, too.

        Good question.

        • shel

          There’s a place like that in Arizona. It’s Mexican food, but my Grammie took us there for our birthdays. We went there after graduations. I hung out there in college with my buddies. When I go home to visit, it’s the one place I really wanna go eat. Once when I was home, I mentioned wanting to go there to my dad. He offered to take us out, but he took us to some other Mexican place. It was fine, but he didn’t “get” the whole nostalgia thing.

          Now my bestie lives in Arizona. She grew up there, too (although we met here in California) and that restaurant is the restaurant where they celebrated all of THEIR occasions. Neither of our hubbies are much for Mexican food, but when I go home, she and I ditch the guys and go have us a chili relleno or enchilada. So now it’s our tradition. If they ever go out of business, we’ll both cry.

          • Shukmeister

            Shel!! – My dad and my brother-in-law don’t like Mexican food either, so I do a Hen Party with my mom and sister about once a month, when my parents are in town.

            We shop, or get manicures, pedicures, or massages, then eat Mexican. Kind of a XX chromosome-only bonding day.

            We have our favorites, and luckily they show no signs of closing.

  2. Cynthia

    Happy March 1st, OTers!

    • 2.1 Cynthia

      LOL! Shiku, look at our post time – it’s serendipity!

      • 2.1.1 Shiku

        Oh my! Has that ever happened before? I am just happy I didn’t add anything extra as you wud have surely beaten me in posting.

        Proof that great minds think alike.

        • Cynthia

          You’re funny!
          But actually, I was only here because I was trying to wake up after marathoning an old Eugenie drama ‘Wonderful Life’ all night.
          **sigh** – so now I’ll have that groggy girl’s-pajama-party-up-all-night feeling, all day long. Oh, the price we pay for Kdrama addiction…

          • ahjummabunny

            my price is a fat eye- the left one from tazza watching. I’m ashamed that it’s only 3 episodes at a time.

          • Shiku

            I drove from Indy to pa yesterday which made me tired but silly me stayed up all night watching trash tv.

          • zgznoona

            the little girl in that drama is soooo cute and adorable.

          • Shukmeister

            Cynthia!! Good morning!

            And it’s actually March 2nd, lol. Maybe you forgot it’s a leap year?

            And the addiction feels soooo good some days. Other times, maybe not so much. LOL

          • Cynthia

            She really is exceptionally cute – I was wondering if she’s still acting? This was a 2004 drama and she looked about 5 or 6, so I figure she’s about 14 or so? I’ll have to look her up.

          • Cynthia

            Omg – you are SO right and now I’m feeling like such an idiot. The downside to Kdrama all-night marathoning. My brain cells are being sucked out. (Wait! Does this mean that my husband’s snide comments regarding my Kdrama obsession are really true?!)

          • Shukmeister

            Guys’ snide comments about watching KDrama are NEVER TRUE!

            They’re just jealous because they can’t rock the guyliner like Yun Jung Hoon, and are afraid to wear pink like Lin Min-HOT.

            IMHO, anyway.

          • Cynthia

            Thanks. I feel better now. ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Shukmeister

            [short bow] My pleasure, as always…

          • zgznoona

            Actually she has. I just looked.
            Last year she was in 3 dramas (Manny, Miss Ripley, and Sign)

          • Cynthia

            Thanks for the link! Can you believe that kid’s filmography?! I LOVED her in Miss Ripley – girl can really turn on the tears. And she’s only 12?!

          • Ivoire

            Hi Shukie,

            what does IMHO mean?

          • Shukmeister

            @ Iv!

            “In My Humble Opinion”

          • ricky the royal highness

            I liked the contract marriage in Wonderful Life. It ruined me for life!

          • Shukmeister

            Okay, just added Wonderful Life to my viewing list.

          • Cynthia

            Which part(s)?
            The ‘divorce after 5 years’ or the ‘separate bedrooms’ or the ‘keep your nose outta my private business’ clause?

          • ricky the royal highness


          • cherkell

            Ricky oppa… my speciality is contract law. Maybe we should talk a bit further… ๐Ÿ˜€

  3. Noemi

    Happy Friday!

    I was reading this article on BBC yesterday about “ten strange things people do at night,” and was surprised to see my favorite nighttime activity on the list…although I’ve done it so much I don’t think it’s strange! ๐Ÿ˜› I’m sure everyone else here can relate! It’s the seventh one, check it out:

    • 3.1 Leaf

      I saw that too!!! It’s awesome <3

      • 3.1.1 Shukmeister

        I’m sorry, I missed it because I was watching asian drama. LOL.

        Seriously, it’s wild to think that other people like me with strange sleep cycles (in my case, because of work) end up doing similar things. Nice to know I’m unique just like everybody else…

    • 3.2 ahjummabunny

      he he he! what is she watching with jung aeri?

    • 3.3 zgznoona

      I’m pretty sure all in OT do that. ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ˜€

      • 3.3.1 Leaf

        Except from me…

        If I tried to do that at home my Mum would get really annoyed at me as she CAN HEAR EVERYTHING… seriously its quite amazing… and I’m pretty deaf… so therefore can’t tell it’s loud… You can see this works well can’t you?

        • Cynthia

          Heh. That’s why God invented headphones, Leaf. Trust me, I know.

          • Shukmeister

            Hear hear, Cyn.

            And, yes, that was a pun. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            – I have a secure wraparound headset I use when I’m working out, for my Kpop and OST music.
            – I also have a set of soft earbuds to wear when I fall asleep watching asian drama at the rescue squad.
            – I also also have a giant earcovering headset for mowing the lawn, going to a NASCAR race, or in any noisy environment. I amused a passenger during a flight from Phoenix last year wearing the monster headset and attaching it to my dainty netbook while watching anime.

          • Leaf

            I know ๐Ÿ˜‰ That’s how I coped when I was sharing a room at Uni…

            But my Mum tells me off for having the Computer ON! Yes she can hear my computer is on from the room next door… and it’s not even loud or anything…
            I’ve just given up on that… plus sleep is something I take at any oppertunity…

          • Jennifer

            Lol! My parents come out of their rooms to check if my lights are on, but good thing their door creaks and I just close my laptop with my headphones in when they do that.

            Watching with people around makes me feel weird though… I get the feeling people are watching me and going what the heck is that crazy girl doing…

    • 3.4 pohonphee

      Wow there’s us. Long time not visiting OT. How’s everybody doing? ๐Ÿ™‚ Happy Friday!

    • 3.5 Hillary

      It is nice to know that I am not alone … and that watching kdramas is an acknowledged nighttime activity … LOL … Nevermind that I watch it at night and day, even at work sometimes … double-LOL.

      • 3.5.1 Cruelsummer

        Me too. Someone at work called me out the other day and said I was looking at Korean School Girls like some kind of perv. I was watching Dream High for crying out loud!

        • cv


        • Hillary

          Well, I am trying to figure out how to get SOLIVE running on my work computer. I think the firewall is preventing it and I need SOLIVE to watch SUFBB on Monday/Tuesday. And you know they also look very young, so no doubt I will be labelled as such as well. Ah well … the perils of being a kdrama addict.

          If I cannot get it fixed this weekend (have to work unfortunately), then I will definitely walk with laptop to work.

        • Shiku


        • Jennifer

          Lol, just got done watching Dream High too, the first one. It was surprisingly good with an amazing OST.

      • 3.5.2 Jomo

        OMG! Here is a poem I wrote about a year ago that fits this.
        Drama Dreaming

        From dawn to dusk I live my life.
        Iโ€™m mother, worker bee and wife.
        Evenings I beg to be free.
        That time is reserved for me

        Kids and dishes put away.
        Husband sleeping, cares at bay.
        My headset and my pjs on,
        Iโ€™m ready, uri Kim Rae Won!

        Reality just canโ€™t compete
        with all the light, the lies, the sweet,
        the heat, the pretty, and the mean
        radiating from the screen.

        They laugh, I smile.
        They cry, I cry.
        They fight, I hurt.
        They love, I sigh.
        They kiss, and my heart skips a beat.
        (The good ones I put on repeat)

        I watch until I close my eyes
        then suddenly I realize
        the clock confirms my worstest fear –
        tomorday is already here!

        Oh, well, thatโ€™s fine. Itโ€™s nothing new.
        (Iโ€™m sure this happened once to you.)
        Sleep arrives without a fight,
        Drama dreaming in the night.

        • Noemi

          Awesome poem, Jomo! ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Mystisith

          Collective autobiography.

          • Shukmeister

            True true, Myst.

        • dramabliss

          Just daebak, Jomo!

          Yup, sounds very very familiar. Applies to all of us here, I think.

    • 3.6 MissyT

      Wow…..i’m proud!!! Now I don’t feel alone and strange…hehe

      • 3.6.1 Shukmeister

        Well, you’re probably still strange, but you’re not alone because we all are!

      • 3.6.2 Cruelsummer

        I still feel a little strange because the lady is like 70+. I’m convinced there must be a better way to spend my youth, lol ๐Ÿ™‚ Need to kick this addiction.

    • 3.7 ricky the royal highness


    • 3.8 Raine

      Korean drama is an EVERY TIME activity. So is k-drama blogging. Another blogger tweeted about favoring blogging over sleep…me too sister. Me too.

      But ya, when I can’t sleep I definitely K-drama…and if other people get up to drink water, they come in and watch too even though they ‘don’t like k-drama’.

      • 3.8.1 JoAnne

        I don’t get out of bed for ANYTHING. The glass of water is already there next to me…and unless my bladder is making me CRY…I will not get up.

    • 3.9 Jomo

      The key words for me in that section were “watch for two or three hours undisturbed.”

      How many of us have had to quickly wipe away a river of tears because family member comes into the room?”
      “Mom! Are you crying AGAIN?”

      Or stop a scene pre-kiss because you know you don’t want anyone watching you watch that? Or should I say watch you replay the kiss scene five times before moving on?

      • 3.9.1 Cruelsummer

        IKR! I’m constantly begging my kid for five minutes of peace, so that I can get my drama on. What on Earth is that kid thinking? I can’t focus on her and subtitles at the same time ๐Ÿ™‚

      • 3.9.2 Hillary

        With me its both my mom and my kid. My mom comes into talk, about either politics or religion, while I am trying to watch my show… so I have to put on pause because I really cannot concentrate on her and the subtitles.

        Then my daughter holds my head in her hands and tells me to “look at me, mom … look at me.” And all I want to do is to tell them to go away so that I could enjoy my show.

        • jomo

          So cute!
          The “holds my head in her hands” is the best feeling, even when you don’t want them to do it.

          Your story reminds me of The Cat in the Hat from Dr. Seuss:

          Look at me.
          Look at me.
          Look at me NOW!

      • 3.9.3 Shukmeister

        Omo, Jomo!

        Yesterday at work, I paused right before The Kiss, worked with an officer who was standing over my shoulder, looked around cautiously after he left to make sure nobody else was waiting, then finally watched The Kiss for the first time.

        • jomo

          Which The Kiss?

          We never did have a group vote on which is the all time best- The Kiss.

          • Shukmeister

            @ Jomo –
            The Prince Who Turned Into A Frog. Under the starlight. On a blanket with a bottle of wine.

            In my town, you can’t be under the boardwalk, but one of my first significant kisses came under the 14th St Pier, so I kinda like that type of setup.

      • 3.9.4 Cabbage

        “Look, boys, it’s a helicopter”
        Boys run to window. “There’s no helicopter!”
        “yes, there is, look again.”
        “No…no, there isn’t…mom, is that a grown-up part on the tv again?”

        • jomo


          You need to add to your repertoire!

          Did you guys find the brownies?
          Did you see the neighbors across the street got a pool?
          Hey, look! A T-rex!

    • 3.10 Cabbage

      You wake up and play with people in the tribe, too!?
      I don’t think it counts if I’m up to 3 am BECAUSE I’m watching Korean Dramas.

  4. cv

    happy friday all!^^

    • 4.1 ahjummabunny

      happy friday cv.

    • 4.2 zgznoona

      Happy Friday

    • 4.3 Leaf

      Happy OT day!!!

      Hope you have a good week!! <3

      • 4.3.1 cv

        Hi ahjummabunny, zyznoona and leaf!
        Can’t believe it’s Friday already! ๐Ÿ˜€

        Any good dramas coming out this weekend?

    • 4.4 cv


      So I just finished watching BVS episode 22 and I have to say, finally, a sweet sweeet part just about the two of them–going great so far. Goodness, about time! But then, I’m thinking, no way, it’s tooo good to be true…. and it sure was…. ahahahhhahahaha Wow, this show have so much twist and turns and ups and downs, I can’t wait until the last two episodes. It’s too bad it’s a melo and not rom-com. Overall, not bad, not bad.

  5. Ani

    Happy Friday one and all.

    Well, I’m kind of in withdrawal right now because my W&T fix of Wild Romance and Fermentation Family are no more. I have already ranted (and raved) about Wild Romance in the previous OT, so here I will talk about F-Fam…. Too bad I’m running late for work. XD

    So I just wanted to stop by and encourage those who watched F-Fam that if you’d like to encourage/thank/what-have-you the cast and crew of the show, please feel free to give them a tweet on their official twitter account @BH_family.

    I wanted to give them thanks, but their home page was, er, of course not in English and even Google Translate was failing me miserably. I figured signing up to twitter and saying hi on their account was the best way to go. That’s how much I loved the show. I do have some beef with it, but more on that later…. You know… After work. XD

    Spread the word if that’s possible and share your love with the show:!/BH_family

    • 5.1 Ani

      P.S. How do I know that it’s their official twitter account? Because it was on their home page.|header|drama

    • 5.2 ahjummabunny

      I don’t want to sign up for twitter. can’t you do it on behalf of all the dramabeaners or me?

      • 5.2.1 cv


        I’ll have to do that later at home too–thank the wonderful casts and crew! I just hope they keep the twitter acct open cuz…sometime after a drama is done filming, they close the acct.
        I got a twitter acct to play with for work and is using it to follow my favorite kpop artists and actors. ^^

        • cv

          Yup, went on my twitter and Thanked the cast and crew for a wonderful drama! ๐Ÿ™‚ I hope they read their twitters messages.

          or do they not?

      • 5.2.2 Ani

        I could maybe? I already posted there. I don’t know if it’s effective if I post for others. I just wanted to give people a way to give their shout out to the cast and crew. If it’s not possible, than I say it’s the thought that counts. X)

    • 5.3 skelly

      I am also in serious Fermentation Family withdrawal. It’s one of those shows where you find yourself thinking about the characters, wondering how they are doing and what is happening next in their lives, as if they are real people. I would love for there to be a sequel to this show – I wouldn’t even care if there was a dramatic plot or not, just to watch these people interact in their daily lives is fun.

      • 5.3.1 cv

        Wouldn’t that be wonderful!!? Goodness….
        Now, I don’t have anything to watch on the weekend either… other then FF and skip beat… ๐Ÿ™ Have to wait another week until all the new dramas comes out. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Mystisith

          Seriously, you should give a try with Feast of The Gods. It’s better than what i expected and i’m not the kind to brag about a bad drama. I skipped first 2 eps ( melo intro) and watched eps 3 to 7 in a row. Food, hanoks, mystery, some funny, nice music + 2 handsome men. What’s there more to ask ?

      • 5.3.2 Ani

        The reason why a sequel would work, or maybe a Special Episode (j-dorama style) is because, you’re right, we still are left wondering about where the characters go from here.


        Beef with the Drama:

        What becomes of President Oh? Does he come out of the coma? And if he does, what will his punishment be? Or does he die? Is that a “fair” punishment considering the amount of pain he’s dealt out to his wife and Ho-tae and Ho-tae’s dad? What is considered just in this (the drama’s) world? How about the lady that ran the orphanage that Ho-tae grew up in? I’m guessing the statute of limitation for kidnapping for her ran out too, but what becomes of her? And what’s up with forgetting that the Detective was working as a Double Agent for President Oh’s side? Seriously? Why even include that storyline and just conveniently forget it?

        I can’t say I like that President Oh’s Secretary did not have to answer for his actions with the Detective letting him go but…. Some things have to be taken into consideration: (1) He did what he did to save his wife and (2) he saved Ho-tae and (3) he was willingly turned himself in. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be punished, in the eyes of the law what he did was wrong and therefore the full wrath of the law should come down upon him. The fact that Ho-tae forgave him and that he will play a pivotal role testifying against President Oh is enough to sate my bloodlust.

        No really, I wanted blood. I actually thought Hyunsoo was going to die. It would have been poetic considering that in order for Ho-tae to save Hae-jun, he would have had to lose Hyunsoo – gain one brother, lose another. I loved how Hae-jun cried and said he was always a step behind everyone. That even when he’s made up his mind to reveal a secret or ask for forgiveness or change for the better, people pretty much beat him to the punchline. It was sad and pathetic because it’s the worse way to live your life: to always be a step behind. Seriously, I was close to crying (but didn’t).

        What to love about the Drama:

        I like that Gangster Do-shik remains steadfast in his pursuit of Woo-joo, without an actual relationship coming out of it. The same goes for Chef Uncle Do-shik and the Teacher. In that amount of time given, it makes sense that the drama didn’t go around trying to create relationships just for a happy ending.

        I am happy that Eun-bi’s mom didn’t comeback. No, it’s not because I want her to go without a mother. I just think she has her place with HE&M now and to tear her away from this family the worst punishment to give a little girl whose mother at this point does not deserve her love. I think Grandpa’s death was where the dam broke for me. I didn’t just cry because the way Grandpa acted became endearing near the end – it’s like in his last days the old man toned down the pouty child talk. I cried because the life we lose in the end is not the one we wanted to say goodbye to. It was also a moment when it hit me that I was at the the end of this journey and was close to saying goodbye to these characters.

        The problem with the ending is the number of forgiveness and reconciliation that went on. Ho-tae forgave the Secretary; Ho-tae took his first step towards forgiving his mother; Hyunsoo didn’t outright forgive Haejun, but in letting him live (even if it was due to Ho-tae’s plead) Hyunsoo effectively took a step toward forgiveness. But, the whole point of Heaven, Earth and Man – the full name of the resty – was healing, and the first step towards healing is forgiveness. The ending included a nice wrap up using the final Kimchi dish that represents removing jealousy, hatred, and all bad feelings so that no unwanted ingredients remained.

        Our main coupling was also the highlight of this drama. They said they liked each other, but it’s realistic that there wasn’t any sudden declarations of love. Their love, which I believe by the end is what it is, can be seen in how they kiss each other, and how they hug, hell just how they touch each other. This love though is also seen in how they worried for each other and supported each other through the tough times. I find these acts of love more romantic than any cheese love declaration the drama could have thrown at us (but thankfully didn’t).

        The ending may leave some feeling as if it wasn’t a proper conclusion, but in some ways, we can say it’s the best way and place to end this drama. Why? Because we know that this ragtag family will survive whatever life throws their way. They are stronger now than they were in the beginning.

        [/End SPOILERS… I hope]

        Despite the negative, this drama had so much going for it with characters I will miss. It really was a sad goodbye for me. It’s not a big budget drama. You’re not always meant to cry or laugh, but you will surely walk away with a smile. It left me content: happy I got to experience such a change of pace from the rest of what kdramaland has to offer, and at the same time sad that I can’t get more when I know there’s so much MORE that can come out of it. But what I did get out of it, is worth more than any pot o’ gold I tell you now.

        To top it of, allow me to share a review/mini-recap that might give this drama praise worthy of it than the words I can come up with:

        • Ani

          Damn! Sorry for the long post. I didn’t think it’d be that long. Oh kerfuffle!

          Oh well, since F-Fam has ended, no one needs to worry about me blackening OT’s doorstep on Fridays. Hahaha. Well, until my next underrated crack shows up.

          [Final SPOILER]

          P.S. Kim Gyu Chul? Best cameo EVER! I wasn’t even surprised since we had a few cast members that were also from Crime Squad. I did however laugh when he showed up. Funny that here he was locked away wrongfully in a asylum by the rich, while in Crime Squad he was wrongfully locked away in prison because of the rich. XD EPIC casting!

          [/SPOILER END… fo’ real this time!]

        • ahjummabunny

          I remember when the threesome found out that hotae is really han dol but the detective told president oh he didn’t know who ki ho tae was pretty much the next day and also if he wasn’t a double agent how could they have possibly known about the hit on the secretary.
          I was actually glad that hotae got to keep both his brothers. the final kimchi- the seafood wrap kimchi that ho tae’s mother could never make, that made her uneasy, that kimchi story was amazing. I felt so great just thinking about it. It’s so true, when you remove everything all you have left is longing.

      • 5.3.3 msjoe42

        From Fermentation Family (๋ฐœํšจ๊ฐ€์กฑ) OST

        Heaven, Earth & Man (์ฒœ์ง€์ธ) Official MV:

      • 5.3.4 msjoe42

        From Fermentation Family (๋ฐœํšจ๊ฐ€์กฑ) OST

        Heaven, Earth & Man (์ฒœ์ง€์ธ) Official MV:

    • 5.4 ahjummabunny

      oh yeah google translate deserves to be kicked for some of their translations. If I don’t have my korean dictionary I usually copy and paste and translate to other languages and then try to translate to english. I figure they must get it right in one of those languages.

      • 5.4.1 Raine

        Haha. I look for phrases on the net to see if they’re translated. It’s a pain…

        But I’m going to start FF. I’ve heard wonderful things! Especially from ZGZnoona.

      • 5.4.2 kewbie

        They’re bad with translations but good for laughs. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • 5.5 MissyT

      I concur Ani….I miss F-Fam and miss hearing Ho Tae gun!!!

  6. cherkell

    Happy Friday OTers! Geezus, it’s MARCH already!! A big shoutout to everyone, and hope that your week was less eventful than mine wasโ€ฆ

    I have never been sooo glad to see the end of a week than this one — I need to figure out a way to rig up a big bubble over my cubicle that spells out “DO NOT DISTURB” in bold letters just so I can finish some small projects that have been hanging over my head for way too long. Then I can crank up my tunes and dance around without people staring at me and shaking their headsโ€ฆ more than normal. ๐Ÿ™‚

    For better or worse, my Korean comprehension has gone up over 1000% because of all the news sites and reports I’ve been reading and listening to. To recap what I posted late in last week’s OT, Ji Chang Wook was in a car accident at 5:48 AM on Sunday, 26 February at an intersection in Gangnam. His manager was driving and either (allegedly) fell asleep at the wheel or just took his eyes off the road for a second, and they smashed into the back of a dump truck waiting at the stoplight. Both he and the manager suffered minor injuries, but My Precious’s face took the brunt of it — he hit the windshield, which resulted in a 4cm gash on his forehead. He was patched up at hospital, but then insisted on returning to the set to finish filming because the production was so close to the end (in fact, it wrapped yesterday on 1 March). But later that day, after complaining of a migraine and limping badly, he had to return to hospital, where he received stitches to close the wound (and hopefully got a bag of painkillers to boot). He went back to the set on the afternoon of 28 February and resumed filming. I’m not gonna go all postal here in the OT about this, but if you want more details, I’ve posted my rantings, the accident updates and pictures on my Tumblr page. Just a horrible situation for someone who makes his living with that gorgeous face of hisโ€ฆ

    And I walked into the office on Wednesday to find out that major changes are coming to my department due to yet another reorganization of our Business Area. Those words always put the fear of God into me, having suffered through four of them in my tiny career hereโ€ฆ and this time is no different. So everyone’s extra-crabby and sensitive these days — walking on eggshells was never one of my strong suits. I’m not worried about my position at all, because I’m the only Worker Bee that does what I do in my department. Hopefully this will pass over soon and we can all get back to business. But until that happensโ€ฆ Big Heavy Sigh.

    So I’m gonna pack up and head on in for what looks like a long day staring at reports and spreadsheets. But before I bug out, are the Movie Noonas gonna convene at all this weekend, perchance? I’m totally up for one — just name the time and place!! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • 6.1 Shiku

      Poor JCW! I hope he feels better. I think someone needs to come up with a designated driving service for extremely tired guys.

      I hope your job is safe during the reorganization.

    • 6.2 shel

      I wanna movie this weekend. This noona is up for it…

      • 6.2.1 shel

        Although I heard rumors that my friend Salah wants to come over Saturday and cook for hubby’s b-day and if Salah’s cooking, I’ll be stuffing my face instead of movie watching. Never knew I loved middle eastern food until I met him. :0)

        • ahjummabunny

          your friend salah sounds yummy mediterranean/middle eastern food.

        • Mystisith

          Damn, everybody is talking food or restaurants or dinners on this OT. What happened ? I mean, it’s worst than usually… ๐Ÿ™‚ We look like famished bears after hibernation.

          • ahjummabunny

            hmm maybe that’s why I just ate my lunch 3 hours earlier than usual!

          • Shukmeister

            It’s a Friday during Lent for me. So the seafood soup caught my eye and got my tastebuds wondering…

          • Jomo

            I skipped lunch. Well, actually, I took a bite out of the pizza I bought and threw out the rest.
            It was secretly wheat crust pizza.
            Who makes wheat crust pizza?
            That is like trying to make fries healthy.
            Sure you can make it, but it won’t taste as good.
            And why do I eat pizza?
            FOR THE TASTE.
            (Not because it is healthy…)

            end rant.

          • Shukmeister

            Jomo –


          • shel

            Ha! I’m with you, Jomo. :0)

      • 6.2.2 JoAnne

        I was gonna say who wants to watch a movie tomorrow night! There’s some really good stuff on Ionair that just arrived – The Front Line, which DB just reviewed, plus Petty Romance, plus Penny Pinching Romance…just a ton of stuff.

        • Hillary

          I would have loved to but I can’t. Unfortunately, I have to work over the weekend as I have to take over for a co-worker whose relative died … and he has to fly to Ireland for Monday funeral. So I get to pull his weekend overtime just when I was thinking of relaxing… argg.

        • Shukmeister

          I’m up for it JoAnne. Which one?

          • JoAnne

            Shuk I don’t have anything in particular in my heart at the moment. Do you? Or shall we wait a bit and see what bubbles up to the surface as others chime in?

          • Shukmeister

            [sipping a green tea bubble tea at YoMama]…hmm. I’m just up for about anything.

            Leaf’s the only one that came up from the European contingent, so unless there is a bunch that want to do a movie, we’ll stick with the current timeframe (sorry Leaf).

            If they want to, I’m willing to host the movie Saturday morning, OTTime at a later date.

          • Leaf

            That’s ok! Don’t worry I understand. Plus I probably wouldn’t be able to join in anyway so have fun everyone!! <3

    • 6.3 Belle

      TNX for the 411 on JCW. I hope all goes well for him…& you at your workplace. ๐Ÿ™‚

  7. nynaeve

    Happy Friday everyone (though it’s almost Saturday in my side of the world).

    What’s everyone up to? Me? I’m eagerly anticipating the release of Rooftop Prince. I really hope it’ll be fun rom-com (that will not turn wepy in the end). Hopefully! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • 7.1 shel

      I’m looking forward to that one and Seung Gi one. Most of the ones I’ve been watching are ending and I’m just holding out so I don’t get too many irons in the fire, making Real Life hard to manage around my shows, lol. Big Yoochun fan, and wasn’t crazy about Miss Ripley, so I’m glad to see him in something else….

    • 7.2 Shukmeister

      I’m looking forward to Rooftop Prince too.
      I like time machine stories, so I hope the Korean version of Jin will also be icy. [crosses fingers]

    • 7.3 Kiara

      Happy Friday/Saturday to you. I’m excited for Rooftop Prince plus “The Hunger Games” movie is coming out this month. I cant hardly wait.

      • 7.3.1 cv

        wahoo! I”m excited about the “Hunger games” too! Planning to go watch it at the theater! ^^
        Can’t wait for rooftop prince and king 2 hearts. As long as it’s straight rom-com without all the secret birth and stuff, I’m all happy!

      • 7.3.2 Leaf

        So so looking forward to the Hunger Games!! It’s gonna be awesome!!

    • 7.4 Hillary

      I am going to live streaming Rooftop Prince … so, it already has my vote over King 2 Hearts (even though I adore Ha Ji Won and like Seung Gi), which of course is also on my list.

    • 7.5 Raine

      RTP needs to start NOW! Yay! So stoked! Has anybody watched the trailers? It looks really ridiculously fun!

      • 7.5.1 Hillary

        Yes I did. I spent a fair amount of time on Soompi’s thread about Rooftop Prince. This is actually only the second time that I am anticipating a drama (the first was MoonSun). Normally, I just fall into watching a drama because of recaps on dramabeans. But now that I am live streaming, I find that I am getting caught up more and more… in the hysteria. Enjoying the ride while I can.

  8. Ennayra

    Hi! Happy Friday!

    I’m in my last semester of grad school, so I have my thesis due May 1st. I had to stop watching dramas, b/c I know I’ll just get addicted and do a marathon, but I do still drop by dramabeans to read about all the dramas I’ll get to watch after my thesis is done.

    Keep posting everyone – you’re giving me so much incentive to finish my thesis!

    • 8.1 ahjummabunny

      Ennayra, Fighting!

    • 8.2 shel

      Go! Go! You can do it! Fighting!

      (just a little cheerleading there, lol)

    • 8.3 Leaf

      FIGHTING!!! Good luck!!

    • 8.4 Hillary

      Good luck. You are almost at the end and it is definitely more important that kdramas.

    • 8.5 cv

      congrats and good luck/study hard! We’ll still be here if u need a break. ^^

    • 8.6 Shiku

      Good luck and I admire the fact that you have such self control!

    • 8.7 Ennayra

      Thanks!!! I’m also dealing by listening to OSTs and Big Bang, lol. Their new mini album came out at the perfect time :-).

    • 8.8 Cabbage

      The end of the road is near! And then, you’ll be done, and you can plant your hands on your hips, stick your nose in the air, and say “Ha HA! I did it!”
      And then, imbibe much alcohol.

  9. Mystisith

    Happy friday OTers !
    Temperatures are rising, and Iโ€™m slowly coming out of my lethargic state. Seriously, itโ€™s the same every winter for me, but this one was particularly taxing. I need flowers, grass scent and I want to BBQ.
    That week was kind of frantic for Dramaland. Ji Chang Wook (aka cherkellโ€™s Precious) had his car crash and ended with a bruised face. Needless to say, real black eyes are less sexy than false ones. Someone needs to tie him down like a veal roast and bury him under duvets.
    Itโ€™s funny to see how dramas go through cycles and trends. A few weeks ago I was complaining about Japan and Taiwan for the meh products, and now they send my way a lot of fun shows :

    TW : Extravagant Challenge has found its legs and pace, and Iโ€™m glad I stuck to it despite the 4 โ€œlimitโ€ first eps. 3 eps to go and the love game begins !
    I love you so much is completely stupid, but I donโ€™t care. Blue seems to act against his will, but heโ€™s hot with his guyliner. And his face few inches apart from the main girlโ€ฆ
    Freeze and stay like that ! Just need to take a pic.
    Iโ€™m really anticipating ep 2 of Fondant Garden (my gosh, that title is in good place to win the award for most ridiculous one. Or maybe the meaning escapes me). I think Iโ€™m in love with dramas that mix Korean and Taiwanese languages.
    The Magicians of Love : Iโ€™m at ep 15, but itโ€™s getting boring. I loved when Ming Daoโ€™s character was fooling and bullying the girl, playing the twin brothers alternatively. Now itโ€™s noble idiocy all the way. And I canโ€™t keep my eyes off of the boys shirts. Same since ep 1. Hawaiian Style.

    Japan : Hungry ! is still very appetizing. Waiting for ep 8. The restaurant team is dislocating and fighting. I want a GIANT reconciliation scene.
    Switch Girl : Saw eps 2 & 3 and like it very much. But damn, I wonder what audience is targeted by that kind of Mangas / doramas. Because I wouldnโ€™t let my 12 yearโ€™s old daughter watch this : Explicit situations and sexy languageโ€ฆ Now we have been introduced to Second Male lead : The one with Bad Guy attitude who only wants sex friends but no girlfriends. Iโ€™m gonna like this one. Can I have him as my personal punching ball, please ?
    Ending Planner : Japanese have really the thing to make stories about death uplifting. I loved the movie Departure, and you know I flee makjang like the pest. I saw 3 eps by now, and I take my time to enjoy each one without being disturbed, like a glass of fine wine.

    Now for Korean shows :
    Salaryman is still one my fav. Waiting for ep 19. Palli palli.
    Veggie store : Watched ep 20. The show has its flaws, but I love that bunch of (not really) bachelors. If a store like that opened in my street, I would raid it.
    Captain : Watched ep 16. Nothing new to say. I still watch it, but I donโ€™t know why myself : Must be pathological. Viewers are deserting according to the ratings.
    Glowing She : Where are the subs for ep 5 dammit ! Subbers can stick to ATK (I wouldnโ€™t have bashed them if they quit), but they canโ€™t help with a good 12 eps drama ? Help someone !
    SH ! and DH2 : The fight is so unfair, but i watch both. Mondays, Mondaysโ€ฆ
    Feast of the Gods : Iโ€™m planning to start marathoning this week (warming the FF button) : Just because of a fan MV :
    Iโ€™m dying of impatience for King and Prince : 12 days, 12 daysโ€ฆ And Iโ€™m waiting for Can love Become Money with Vampy.
    I canโ€™t say Iโ€™m bored thatโ€™s for sureโ€ฆ

    • 9.1 Leaf

      Ah… I wanna watch Fondant Garden!! (I agree… really bad title) but can’t find it anywhere ๐Ÿ™


      • 9.1.1 Leaf

        Oh wait it’s working on viki again!! Yay <3

      • 9.1.2 Mystisith

        Hello Leaf,
        i watch it at Viki, but it’s also at sugoi :

        • Leaf

          Thanks <3 I checked Viki again after I posted and found that it was working again. Yay! It had been broken when I checked yesterday ๐Ÿ™

        • Ariel

          My drama watching is snowballing out of control. My drama list are:
          Hungry – Osamu Mukai makes me HUNGRY!
          Yankee kun – 5 eps to go!
          History of the Salary Man – Your battles are epic!
          What’s Up – Musical done right!
          Shut Up FBB – Your on my repeat mode.
          Dream High 2 – Kinda addicting love their “B” song and dance number the story is still wonky but I just ignore it.
          Started watching Switch Girl but then only 1 ep was subbed then I just saw that 2-3 are up and I’m going crazy. I just decided to start watching Operation Proposal!!! Gah why is a day only 24 hours there should be 10 extra hours for drama watching.

          • ahjummabunny

            aww yankee kun! isn’t it cuteness. I was so sorry when it was over.

          • John

            Switch Girl 2 & 3 are up ? Awesome.

            I’ve been checking back every so often.

            I started to read the manga, (as it progresses it has less humor and more teen angst), but I’ll watch eps 2 & 3 this weekend.

            I’m also enjoying Lucky 7 Dectective angecy as well .

          • kewbie

            Haha…SUFBB is on repeat mode for me, too. I’ve totally stopped watching Take Care of Us, Captain and am just waiting for it to finish so I can watch the last episode. Looking forward to Monday and Tuesday!

          • Hillary

            Oh my Lord. Your list is as long as mine.

            Currently watching:
            – Salaryman (hysterical)
            – MoonSun (had a fit when I had problems streaming it live this week … and could not even use SOLIVE … And enjoying the lively conversation over at Soompi and Cadence blog)
            – SUFBB (like you, on repeat mode)
            – Skipbeat (I now stream it live as I cannot wait for it to be put on viki … then I watch in unsubbed on viki … and then subbed … Now I think about it, I watch SUFBB like that as well)
            – Korean Peninsula (its totally different from the other dramas that I am watching … can’t wait for them to be back on Korean soil though)
            – Take Care of Us, Captain (I just hate giving up when I have come so far and I do want to see the ending)

            Looking forward to Rooftop Prince and King 2 Hearts.

            Will probably wait for all episodes to come out before I watch Operation Proposal (which I am following on dramabeans) and Syndrome (just because I am a sucker for those medical dramas).

      • 9.1.3 shel

        I made it through about half an ep. I have to say that KHJ is NOT the worst actor of SS501, lol. I love Jung MIn, he cracks me up, but so far I’m not impressed…and is it just me, or does his voice change when he speaks Chinese….like maybe they’re dubbing him?

        • Mystisith

          Hello shel,
          Yes, foreigners are always dubbed in TW dramas even if they are fluent. Something about harmonizing accents for mainland Chinese i believe.

        • Carinne

          Definitely dubbed, and I prefer that voice over his own Korean tongue. The dubbed voice is so sexy, calm, and deep.

          I’m not fond of fondant but I love baked goods so I’ll be checking it out for a few more episodes.

        • MJ

          Park Jung Min as Park Hee Hwan – his voice is definitely dubbed. It is really, really awkward to see Park Jung Min ‘s face and hear Mandarin spoken in someone else’s voice.

          Me not like the voice dubbing.

      • 9.1.4 zgznoona

        I watched it last night. The scene at the korean restaurant was really funny. TW dramas tend to disappoint me, but the beginnings are usually funny

        • shel

          The restaurant scene was funny. I got that far…

          • zgznoona

            I skip those too, those I suppose make sense after a commercial brake, but when we watch online, there are totaly unnecessary

          • zgznoona

            Oops, this was suppose to be a reply to Mystisith’s comment

          • Mystisith

            It’s OK, i saw you. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Mystisith

          They have a talent for their openings. Those are real short movies, with catchy songs. And sometimes, they contain more fresh ideas than the all drama itself.

          • zgznoona

            their openings are endings are like full music videos. But I usually skip them. Not time to waste while drama watching ๐Ÿ˜›

          • Mystisith

            What i skip in TW dramas is the replay scenes. I don’t get it. If i’m interested i just stick to my screen, or else it means i don’t really care what happens. I suppose it’s like for sports events : Replay with 3 different angles takes AND slow mo. A bit heavy for me.

    • 9.2 Cynthia

      Morning, M!
      I’d like to respond to everything in your post, but for brevity’s sake I’ll just ‘second’ your complaint about ‘Glowing She’ subs (or, LACK of them). Cripes, this drama is only 12 eps long and it’s taking 2X longer to sub than other longer ones. I wish Viki had taken it on – their sub jobs are fantastic. It’s odd that GS is being subbed by the SS501 crowd and yet, so slow. Usually the fan-based subbers are rabid to get out episodes starring their idols.

      • 9.2.1 Mystisith

        Hi Cynthia ! Yes, it’s infuriating and puzzling !
        I may be wrong but a few weeks ago when i went on viki i could see if i remember correctly, more than 300 Kdramas. It was the first country in ranking. Now Korea is 4th with 131 dramas. I bet legal sites and TV stations have blacklisted them, or maybe they did self-censorship because pf MU affair ?

        • cherkell

          It’s a whole murky licensing issue that hinders Viki. I have a lot of buddies helping out over there that tell me they think they have the rights to translate a certain show, only to get four or five episodes completed and then the whole production is shut down from overseas. I think the Viki legal beagles have taken a different viewpoint now, and are not going to announce any shows until they get all the licensing rights squared away first. But they’re also up against the juggernaut that DramaFever has turned out to be, because of their recent “we’re gonna raise the price on a subscription, so buy it now” PR campaign, they’ve got a huge influx of cash to play with where they can acquire the rights to several big-time productions before anyone else can make a bid for them.

          Stupid lawyers, always messing things up for us fangirls and fanguys… ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Cynthia

            I’ve been a Premium subscriber over at DF for a few years (they informed me that I was one of their original members. Or maybe they’re just sucking up? Who knows?)
            but, I will say that the site has changed for the better in the last few months, for sure. The subscriber influx has certainly affected the site – many a night, the site crashes due to server overload and the subbers are a tad slow for the real-time broadcast dramas like BVS. But, I have to say that their FB page is excellent with lots of communication from the DF team to the posters. And that’s a rarity in cyber-world.

          • cherkell

            Except when DF is in total denial about the number of episodes a show actually has… [snerk]

            But I agree; they’ve stepped up their game exponentially since when I joined up online in early 2009 (yeah, I got that ‘original member’ e-mail too). I bet they’re gonna have their hands full with all the dramas premiering in the next few weeks, so more power to them!!

        • Cynthia

          Yeah – it’s totally aggravating to start a drama on their site, only to go back and find that it’s blocked or just gone from the site.
          And this is one site where the Korean penchants for multiple titles for one drama can really bite you in the rump – it can be really difficult to locate what you’re trying to find – Glowing She being a perfect example. That one ended up having 5 different titles – Glowing She, A Shining Girl, Girl Who Glows, Sunshine Girl, A Girl Giving Radiant Light and probably 9 other titles. Ridiculous.

          • ahjummabunny

            I thought it was the helicopter and slow loading was my fault. I went out and bought a new router ( which didn’t help much) connected to the internet with ethernet cord which is a little better, but still I have to refresh the page because it stalls or the choppy comes back.

    • 9.3 Shukmeister

      Wow, Myst, and I thought I was busy with the viewing – lol.
      I’ve spot-checked Glowing She; gonna d/l for later viewing.

      Switch Girl I had thought about, but didn’t hear too much buzz. I’m up for it, so I might mosey over and watch an epi or two.

      Hope you’re still getting your beauty sleep and such. Cheers!

    • 9.4 Jx

      I am dying for salaryman ep19 too……
      One question though: why does gabi not seem to suspect hang ryang (? The one at the gym… I get his name mixed up with thesuicide guy all the time) at all? She knew that chairman was secretly meeting with him earlier

    • 9.5 John

      Switch Girl ~Probably not suitable for 12 year olds. Yeah, some sexual deviant behavior ( in the manga anyways)

  10. 10 Leaf

    Happy OT everyone!!!

    Hope you have a great week!! <3

    I'm happy this week because I've found a group of people who like K pop and dramas at my Uni and we have a society!!! Yay!!! It's gonna be awesome!! <3<3<3

    • 10.1 shel

      Yay! It’s always fun to find people to share your hobbies/passions with! Lucky you!

      • 10.1.1 Leaf

        I know!! I’m so happy! <3

        Hope you have a good week Unni!! ๐Ÿ˜€

        • shel

          You too!

    • 10.2 ahjummabunny


    • 10.3 zgznoona

      OMG!!! that is so awesome.
      It’s great to be able to find a group of people with your same interest.
      I suppose the rest of us can will remain here, at DB. A place where drama addicts are at home. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • 10.3.1 Leaf

        Dramabeans is the best!! <3

      • 10.3.2 jay dee

        Ditto as well… my first post but at work will be back shortly with a proper post… hailing from Quebec, Canada

        • Hillary

          Welcome, Quebec, Canada.

        • jomo

          Ou au Quebec?
          J’etais a l’Universite Laval a few years back.

    • 10.4 Shukmeister

      I found out one of my coworkers is cautiously dabbling in KDramaLand. She’s at a different precinct, but I sent her the DB link and pushed for the OT thread.

      Here’s to hoping I can get her hooked!

      • 10.4.1 Leaf

        No one can resist the temptation of dramas ๐Ÿ˜€

      • 10.4.2 zgznoona

        Why do I feel like the only one unsuccessful on attracting people to the dark side, I mean the kdrama world

        • Cruelsummer

          You’re not alone. I’ve been trying to get my cousin on board for the longest since she’s my kindred spirit in all things cheesy, but she’s just not biting. I suspect that she doesn’t think the guys are cute enough (blasphemy), but I refuse to give up.

          • ahjummabunny

            I think she has started watching them already but isn’t telling you because she doesn’t want to say- you were right I was wrong.

          • Mystisith

            The key is to use psychology. Do some reco and ask people about what they like, and i’m sure we can provide the perfect bait.

          • Cabbage

            Leave a picture of Taecyeon in a towel sitting on her dresser and come back the next day and say “Ready for Dream High?”

          • Shukmeister

            I was thinking towel scene from FBRS…

          • JoAnne

            If the pillar doesn’t get you…

        • ahjummabunny

          I usually can say “it’s my house, we’ll watch this or nothing!” and my brother will sit and watch city hunter, or my sister will sit and watch Ball of fire ( gregory peck helped plenty with this one though). They get sucked in! I think you have to invite them over and watch something together.

        • kewbie

          Don’t feel bad. I can only get my hubby to watch k-dramas with me if I tell him what’s going on. It requires me to do a whole lot of talking while watching TV. He doesn’t have a whole lot of patience for subtitles. That being said, he did like the first 4 episodes of Boys Over Flowers and Shut Up: Flower Boy Band, which is saying a lot for him! Fortunately for me, I was so excited to share my k-drama love with him that I didn’t mind talking about either of those shows at all. Too bad it’s basketball season now. Probably won’t be watching k-dramas until the Bulls win a championship or something… ๐Ÿ™‚

          • zgznoona

            I got my ex to watch only two dramas. But he lease a Hyundai and the Korean restaurant in town is his favorite restaurant. All thanks to my drama obsession.

        • ahjummabunny

          I hate that about exes and I love it. I can’t figure out how much I want them to remember and how much I want them to forget.

      • 10.4.3 Hillary

        Precinct… Are you in law enforcement?

        • shel

          I think she’s an EMT….or something similar.

          • Shukmeister

            Thanks, Sethe! I always say, you never get rich in Public Safety, so most of us have a high degree of dedication. It’s always nice to be ackowledged.

            Did you ever look into the medic alert bracelets? They do have a SE Asia office – I looked in up during our OT conversation. I think it’s in Kuala Lumpur and the jewelry can be ordered online. FYI

          • Shukmeister

            Whups this should’ve been under

          • Sethe


            Thanks for the info… I’ve thought about it, but I guess I don’t want to be so conspicuous. Like to live in denial, you know ๐Ÿ™‚

            I will continue to think about some kind of medic-alert thing, though, cause I agree, it’s certainly a good idea.

          • Sethe

            P.S. I always like it when I can say something that’s both nice and true ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Shukmeister

          Yep, work for the city of Virginia Beach both as a paid employee for the police department, and a volunteer EMT for the rescue squad.

          It’s the largest city in America that still has an all-volunteer BLS system.

          • Mystisith

            Can someone translate EMT and BLS for me, please ?

          • Shukmeister

            EMT – Emergency Medical Technician
            BLS – Basic Life Support

            Basically, I put the white stuff (bandages) on the red stuff (blood). And cart them off to the hospital.
            This August will mark 25 years of continuous service.

          • Cynthia

            I know Emergency Medical Technician – cause my son is/was one here in Ct.

          • Mystisith

            @ Shuk : Wow, 25 years… This is what i call a vocation. I couldn’t do it. I can be very calm and detached when i’m myself in a delicate situation (violent pain, or bleeding), but i’m not sure i would be so with a perfect stranger. People can have unexpected reactions and behaviors when injured. Again a little different when it’s someone you care for and know like your own hands.

          • Shukmeister

            Thanks, Myst. Just kind of fell into rescue through family connections in 1987 and have been doing it ever since. It’s not for the faint-hearted, that’s for sure.

            One of the side-effects is that, sometimes, someone will walk up to me, greet me like a friend, and tell me about how their friend or relative recovered after I brought them to the hospital (although in most cases, I dont remember their particular circumstances).

            I’ve also caught my fair share of babies, had several people survive cardiac arrest and lived to talk to me.

            I’ve also been in three ambulance accidents, one in 1988 in which the unit was totalled, ending up with scars on the back of my head. That accident was the day before my 22nd birthday.

            And yet I do it for free. So, does that make me even stranger than if I was just an Asian Drama-watching crazy person? LOL

          • JoAnne

            Cynthia, if I knew I forgot, but you’re in CT too?

          • Hillary

            25 years is a long time in that field. Your stress levels must be high… LOL. No wonder you are a kdrama-addict… LOL.

          • Cynthia


            Yup – Ct. Yankee, born & bred. I’m up here in the middle of the state. As I recall, you’re down in Mystic/Groton area, right? My origin is Stonington, then Old Saybrook.

          • JoAnne

            That’s right, that’s right! I remember the conversation but somehow completely forgot that there was someone living 30 minutes away from me, LOL.

            Coming back from Storrs today through Norwich, I noticed 3 different Asian Markets. Which makes sense, because of Mohegan. I didn’t stop because I was anxious to be home and out of the car, it was starting to snow a little. But I will be going back!

            So..sharing the news with a neighbor, if you’re one who has been wanting to try Korean cooking.

          • Sethe

            Wanted to comment on my gratitude toward US EMTs and paramedics… I’ve had seizures in many a public place over the years, and the emergency personnel I’ve met have been unfailingly polite and caring ๐Ÿ™‚

          • shel

            @ Cynthia

            We were just in Stonington last spring. Sam has pics of the lighthouse, etc on his website. It was a beautiful area.

      • 10.4.4 Hillary

        @Shuk: How does one go about “cautiously dabbling in KDramaLand” … LOL. I think she has fallen and just don’t want to tell you.

        • Shukmeister

          Could be, Hillary. I really didn’t get a straight answer out of her for what she was watching; I think she was taken aback when I practically pounced on her through the phone.
          “What are you watching, what are you watching, whatareyouwatching!”

          ke ke ke – I was just so happy not to be the only one!

    • 10.5 ricky the royal highness

      You have a society? That’s it. I’m transferring there.

      • 10.5.1 Leaf

        You definately should Oppa!!! We need a token guy as well ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • ricky the royal highness

          What is a token guy?
          I must admit, I’ve never heard of this phrase before. Is it like a mascot, or something like that?

          • JoAnne

            It’s the one person (in this case, a guy) that is included so that you can say look, we included -guys- too. That one person stands in for all the others…because whatever that group is, it’s not really welcomed.

            Although I will hurry to add that in this instance, our affection for you (hopefully) would erase the stigma of being the token, and you ARE really welcomed.

            So really nowadays it’s softened to mean ‘the only one’

          • shel

            They say that about the only black guy in the Mormon Tabernacle choir. Well, now there’s two. But, you have to live within 60 miles of the Tabernacle and it’s frankly a mostly homogeous population there. It’s getting better though, they have a couple of Asians now, too.

            I think Gladys Knight (who is now Mormon) should join, so it could be Gladys Knight and a Lotta Pips. But she lives in Vegas…too far.

          • Shukmeister

            In my corner of the world, I’m surrounded by about nine military bases representing all the military branches but predominantly Navy.

            During our Independence Day and Memorial Day celebrations, they normally play The Armed Forces Medley, where a snippet of each branch’s theme song is played, during which the servicemen from that branch stand and are acknowledged by the crowd.

            The smallest group in the area is the US Coast Guard, where normally there are only one or two that stand up and therefore are affectionately known as the Token Coasties.

            Of course, the applause is no less generous than any other branch.

          • JoAnne

            And I’m here with the Coast Guard Academy just over the river, so we have LOTS of Coasties. In fact, my neighbor’s middle daughter, the one at American University, is dating a Coastie – he was a year ahead of her at the local HS and his father is a Coastie, too, but family has since relocated to Cape May. So her family is his foster family, and on our little hill top we often have a contingent of Coasties for the weekend, to take a break and have a couple of home-cooked meals. They are the sweetest boys! My granddad did 32 years in the Coast Guard and so I have a soft spot for them anyway.

          • JoAnne

            And we also have the Sub School for the Navy…plus Electric Boat which makes subs…so there’s lots of Navy around, too.

          • Shukmeister

            Niice. I live about 6 miles from the carrier base, so I see a lot of the ships traversing the Chesapeake Bay. Our USCG unit is based in Portsmouth, VA, but the main thing I see are the helo’s whenever we have a ship in distress off the coast.

            There’s subs here too, but if you see ’em, I guess they’ve failed their mission…

            My father once said my mother fell in love with him while they were watching the ‘submarine races’ off of Long Island. At that point in the conversation, she usually blushes and smacks him on the shoulder. lol

          • ricky the royal highness

            @ JoAnne
            ‘The only one’ ??? Sounds FUN!

        • Cynthia

          You will represent your gender – solo, in this vast crowd of estrogen.
          A dangerous job but someone has to do it!

          • shel

            And I’ll bet he would just HATE it, too, lol. But, someone has to sacrifice, right?

          • Shukmeister

            Hee hee hee

          • ricky the royal highness

            I do hate it!
            I shall sacrifice myself for the betterment of guys & Kdrama societies everywhere. I’m IN! ๐Ÿ˜€

      • 10.5.2 Hillary

        HRH has come out from undercover. Are you finished with your exams?

        • ricky the royal highness

          I’ve another one next Friday. It’s a never-ending cycle of intense torture. How are you, Hillary?

          • Hillary

            Well good luck with your next exam. When I was doing my first degree, I remember having to start studying in December for our exams in May. I had classes that started in October and ended in December but exams for that class was not held til May … total torture. Don’t know how I managed to survive 5 months of studying.

            Busy at work so I have been less active ob blogs and barely managed to keep up with my kdramas. Have not had to work on a Saturday for a long time.

    • 10.6 Raine

      Yay! I wish we had a group down here. Zgznoona…we need to start one….

      • 10.6.1 zgznoona

        You read my mind. So far we have to start organizing regular meetings ๐Ÿ˜‰ restaurant/cooking+marathon movie/drama and whoever want to join is welcome ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Shukmeister

          Ooooh I wanna! I wanna! But I’m no where near you guys [pout].

          • zgznoona

            for now, we’ve been watching dramas together through twitter. Kind of the OT movie night. with some others you are free to join
            btw, what’s going on with movie night?

          • Shukmeister

            Movie Noona JoAnne is setting it up for 1830 DBT / 2130 EST Saturday, film to be decided on but one in the ionair stable.

          • JoAnne

            Can I just say how much I love that we get called the Movie Noonas? It’s so cute.

          • shel

            I’ll be there. Our company cancelled due to a sick baby.

          • shel

            If I don’t show up (cuz I’m an airhead) message me on FB and hopefully I’ll hear the “blip”.

    • 10.7 Jennifer

      A society hahaaha…. little steps before taking over Antarctica for our Dramabeans country!

  11. 11 IzOcha

    Happy Friday! Happy OT!

    Congratulations, Leaf ๐Ÿ™‚

  12. 12 shel

    Happy Friday, Dramabeanies!

    How’s is everyone?! I’d go through my shoutout list, but I’m so sleepy, I can’t think. Stayed up late waiting for my son’s friend, who is staying with us this weekend. Still had to get up and get the teenager off to her early morning religion class.

    Doctor visits this week have been encouraging. Where they were telling me 2-3 months recovery time, now the specialist says I’m healing very quickly and he thinks maybe another 3-4 weeks. Yay! I’m really going nuts not being able to drive…although with the price of California gas, it’s probably a good thing. We have really seen how blessed we are with good friends who have been taking me to Dr appts, and my daughter to all of her functions and bringing us meals and coming to visit, etc etc etc. How lucky we are! I’ve been killing time practicing the ukulele (if you can believe that, lol), reading all kinds of good books, and working on the photography website ( ) . Oh, and doing polynomial equations with my homeschooled daughter who hates math.

    Dramawise, I’m missing my FF. I really got attached to that one. Loving my Shut Up boys, but worrying about little rifts that are starting to try and break them up. They have to survive it all because they are just too stinkin’ cute together. Moon/Sun plot is finally really getting intense, and my cute Soo Hyun is definitely becoming a grown up king. Loved the confrontation with grandma! “I am NOT my father!”. Can’t imagine how they’re gonna wrap it up in two more eps, though. Oh, and if his brother betrays him, I’m gonna be ticked cuz I can’t pick between KSH and JIW. They gotta stick together. Started Salaryman last week…only watched a few eps, but what a hilarious show that is so far!

    Well, today is hubby’s birthday. I still can’t do too much, but my daughter is going to make the cake and I’ll make the German Chocolate Icing that is his fave and our Friday night card gang will be over tonite to help celebrate. I have to say that I’m married to the sweetest, funniest, cutest, most awesome guy IN the world. I feel sorry for the rest of you guys that have to settle for 2nd best, lol. In the last month he’s had to do all kind of yucky stuff to take care of me and he’s sweet, never complains, keeps making his silly jokes about power tools and duct tape and tells me I’m beautiful even though I’m living in my sweats and jammies. All you single people out there, hold out for someone like that. We’ve been married almost 18 years, and I love him more today than the day I married him….and I wouldn’t have thought that possible.

    Have a great weekend….

    • 12.1 ahjummabunny

      hi shel,
      It’s good to read such good news about your recovery and your friends. It sounds like you have your own fermentation family thing going. Have you good day!

    • 12.2 Shukmeister

      Yea, Shel! Glad to know you’re healing well. See, all that laughter does help, even if it hurts at the beginning. Hee.

      Your hubby sounds like a great guy, and I’ve enjoyed looking at his photos.

    • 12.3 ricky the royal highness

      This post is too romantic! Hehe

      Happy Birthday to your husband!

      • 12.3.1 shel

        Ricky-oppa! How is school treating you? Glad to see you on here for a bit so we know you’ve survived another week.

        • ricky the royal highness

          Survived is the correct word. This week was not too bad. Last week was #$@!$#%!!!

          See! I told you people with a sense of humour heal faster.

          • shel

            People with a sense of humor survive stress better, too. Hang in there! Watch a High Kick a day or something to make you laugh. Or just think of the noonas here fighting over LMHot or Kim Bum or Lee Min Ki or Song Joong Ki, or whoever.

            And remember my Wise Sister’s favorite saying: “This too, shall pass!…..eventually”. And all your noonas are cheering for you, even when you don’t have time to come visit. :0) Not that I”M a noona, of course, because I’m only 17 here. :0)

    • 12.4 Carinne

      Happy B-day to Shel’s Mister.

      You’ve touched my universe and all on OT here, so hopefully we’ll get a chance to have that wonderful connection as awesome as your man with you.

    • 12.5 Raine


      I love your words about your hubby. Everyone needs a man like that! Including me…

      It’s wonderful that you have so many people to rally around you and lift you up when you need it!

      I was thinking about you when I was taking care of my mom this week.

      Keep resting up!

      • 12.5.1 Shel

        I’m sure you’re taking great care of her. She’s lucky to have a devoted daughter to take care of her. I hope she feels better soon1

    • 12.6 cherkell

      Hiya Shel *waves* Glad to hear you’re feeling better, and saeng-il chugha hamnida to your hubby! My late father’s favorite cake was German Chocolate as well, so I have very fond memories of being in charge of baking one for his birthday every year. I had to be very careful with the frosting, as I am allergic to coconut in such large doses.

      And it’s another beeyoouteeful day here in the Valley. No wonder my mind is wandering with a vengeance… looks like lunch is gonna be spent out on the Quad today!!

      • 12.6.1 Shel

        You should see the Bay today. I’m sure the beach is calling my name, but 3 miles is a bit of a long hike at the moment. I’ll be better about the time June Gloom sets in. ;0(

        I miss the Caffe Mac pizza. Hubby says it’s the closest to the pizza he ate when he lived in Italy. I loved talking to the Italian dude at the oven, too.

    • 12.7 Hillary

      Thanks for the update. Great news about your speedy recovery. And give your husband a happy birthday shoutout from the OT crowd.

    • 12.8 Jennifer

      3-4 weeks is gonna past by like a breeze! Glad you’re quickly recovering!

  13. 13 Shukmeister

    Good morning, fellow OT’ers!

    This week’s fun and frivolity:
    – Marathon’d the japanese Atashinichi no Danshi, a little gem from 2009.
    – Finished watching the final episodes of Ojakgyo Brothers.
    – Watched all episodes of the Taiwanese The Prince Who Turned Into a Frog.
    – Started watching the lakhorn Roy Moi, which for once doesn’t seem to have a revenge theme, although there is a blue-grey supernatural being that looks like an avatar gone bad…
    – Finished Chapter 19 of the fan-fic.
    – Slept some, and maybe did a little work at work…lol

    • 13.1 Leaf

      Happy OT Unni!!

      Hope you have a good week! And lots of time to spend on your wonderful fanfic!!! <3

    • 13.2 ahjummabunny

      happy ot! You’ve worked hard this week. Take a few kdramas and 10 hours of ot for rest!

      • 13.2.1 Shukmeister

        Thanks! Did I see in a previous OT that you are from Guyana?

        • ahjummabunny

          *waving the Golden Arrow Head!*

          • Hillary

            So you really are from my neck of the woods? Great.

          • JoAnne

            …do I see an opportunity here for a story? What’s the significance of the Golden Arrow Head?

          • Shukmeister

            It’s the national flag of Guyana.

            Guyana’s National Flag has FIVE symbolic colors — GREEN represents the agricultural and forested nature of Guyana, WHITE symbolizes the rivers and water potential of the country, a GOLDEN arrow represents Guyana’s mineral wealth, BLACK portrays the endurance that will sustain the forward thrust of the Guyanese people, and RED represents the zeal and dynamic nature of nation-building which lies before the young and independent Guyana.

            I’m getting much better at my research skills. LOL

    • 13.3 Mystisith

      Hello Shuk : I only read Prince’s, 2 chapters at the same time (it’s like chocolate : 1 piece is not enough). You know what’s left for you to do…

      • 13.3.1 Shukmeister

        Myst! Your evil side is about to be revealed in the next couple of chapters, as the bad chicks of OT start their evil plan – mwahahaha….

        I hit a sight impasse with Chapter 20, but with some shots of tequila and a drunken conversation with my bestie in San Antonio via Skype, it’s back on track.

        • Leaf

          The plan begins to unfold…? AWESOME <3 It's gonna get even better!!

        • Mystisith

          Oh Yeah, let me be the big baddie ! I always thought they were the most fun characters to portray for an actor. Even if i can hate them limitless on my screens.

          • Shukmeister

            You’re not the mole / turncoat, but you will cause chaos. That should make you happy!

      • 13.3.2 Shukmeister

        @ Myst — Just added three chapters in a row! Woot!

        • Leaf

          AWESOME!!! That insperation session must have worked excellently!! <3<3<3

          • Shukmeister

            As did the soju. hee

        • shel

          Ooh, yay!

        • Mystisith

          Kamsahamnida Shukmeister-sshi ! Will read this Sunday.
          So what did the trick for inspiration in fine ? Alcohol, flattery or threats ? ๐Ÿ™‚
          ps : As said in my first comment, i’m catching back Feast of the Gods. Started at ep 3 to avoid crazyland : I think i will figure out what happened by myself. I bet the heroine has been adopted or switched at birth. I’m finishing ep 7. You know what people ? It’s very entertaining. Jeju, hanoks and hanboks, kimchi jars everywhere, food porn, and 2 beautiful men. Feels like a mix of FF, Pasta and Veggie store. And the main song sounds like Korean country music. So, basically, i’m hooked. 32 episodes, and i’m not even scared ! Take that ATK !

          • Shukmeister

            Myst –

            Actually, I don’t normally write mystery or espionage books. Mine are all light-hearted romance novels with plenty of sizzle.

            So I needed one of my friends that has a sneaky bent in her writing to help me with the angle of having shadow ops and nationalism come in and gum up the romance. As always, she came through beautifully, and now I have a path to lead me.

            Plus I’m keeping the romance low-key. I promised Ricky I’d keep it PG, darn it.

            So it’s been hard keeping it an interesting read.

    • 13.4 zgznoona

      I love Atashinichi no Danshi. I watched a couple of weeks ago.
      Actually in the last couple of weeks I really got into Jdramas, and watched way too many. I think it is because I haven’t connected with any kdrama lately. Now that WU, FF, and WR are gone.

      • 13.4.1 Shukmeister

        Zgnoona! Happy Friday!

        I’m guessing I got the recommendation from you then. I pick them up on OT, download or mark them, and watch them at my leisure. My internet has been spotty the last 4 days, so I pulled it from my external hard drive and watched it end to end. Good call! I really liked it.

        • zgznoona

          I’m not sure I can take credit for that one. I probably saw the same comment you did. In any case I enjoyed that drama very much

      • 13.4.2 Raine

        Me too! Loved AnoD. I need to get on Ouran HS.

        And yay for Shuk’s story. I’m a few chapters behind Shuk, GOMEN GOMEN!

        • zgznoona

          I have to go back to Ouran HS too, Last night I started Yokai Ningen Bem. Because I wasn’t watching enough dramas *lowers face embarrassed* I’m seriously our of control with jdramas lately

        • Shukmeister

          @ Raine
          Arigato gozaimasu. I just pray the story arc doesn’t get too bogged down. Plus, I still need to add in CMRPrindle and her cryptic chinese covert communications. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          I welcome any and all suggestions as to plot lines / holes / twists.
          @zgznoona –
          Yokai Ningen Bem got fairly good marks, so I had considered it. However, I think my next foray into JDrama will be the two seasons of Jin, in anticipation of the Korean version. Keep me up to date if you think it’s a good one, though.

          • zgznoona

            I have JIN in my queue too

          • Shukmeister

            Sweet. We’ll have to BS about Jin on a later thread. ๐Ÿ™‚

          • cmrprindle

            I have cryptic chinese cover communications? I ALLITERATE?! Squee! *bounces on feet*

          • JoAnne

            I’m planning to do Jin as well, to prepare myself for the inevitable comparisons as we drool over the lovely Hand Towel.

          • Shukmeister

            @ CMRP — Alliterative actions always begin the best and brightest collaborative collections, of course. I know my ABC’s.

      • 13.4.3 Cabbage

        Yippee! I’m glad the love for this show is going around. It needs a better nickname, though.
        I love almost everything Horikita Maki does, and Kaname Jun does not get enough good roles.

      • 13.4.4 IzOcha

        I thought Atashinichi no Danshi was pretty great, too…So absurd. I’ve enjoyed all the shows I’ve seen with Horikita Maki (actress) in them. Plus, I have a bit of a crush on Sho (Mukai Osamu).

    • 13.5 shel

      Ooh ooh….been waiting for the next chapter…I’m off to go read. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • 13.6 whimsyful

      Hey Shuk, hope you have a nice week!

      What’s Atashinichi no Danshi about? I’ve started studying Japanese recently, so I should probably watch more jdramas/anime. There hasn’t really be any jdramas that have piqued my interests, for some reason.

      • 13.6.1 Shukmeister

        @Whimsyful –

        An eccentric toy maker marries a young down-on-her-luck girl. He dies, and the legal paperwork states she has to make a home with his 6 adopted sons. They’re all cute, with parental issues and attitudes. Not the most thought-provoking series out there, but it was a fun watch.
        I saw all 11 episodes across two days.

    • 13.7 Shukmeister

      For anyone who is using the lovely subscription for the thread, Chapters 23 and 24 of the fan fic are up and available – Hillary gave me the inspiration! enjoy

      • 13.7.1 Mystisith

        Thank you Shuk ! Going to read !

  14. 14 TiaC

    Hello all! Feliz… um… dia de OT mis amigos.

    So as I was avoiding real life responsibilities, I stumbled upon the k drama wiki over on Ask a Korean’s awesome blog (

    Some of the responses got me thinking – am I the only person who judges k-dramas with the same standards that I watch any other tv show? A lot of comments indicate that some fans treat dramas differently, expecting varying levels of quality from k- (or tw- or j-) dramas than from other shows. Naturally, a more makjang drama is more likely to be judged on a scale of ‘boring’ to ‘trainwreck awesome’. But when it comes to dramas I actually enjoy, I judge them with the same critical eye I do any other show (like I judged PdPd with the same standards as some of my favorites like BSG and Lost).

    So my question is this: do you you have separate standards of excellence that only apply to k-dramas, or do you judge all television the same way?

    • 14.1 ahjummabunny

      good question!
      I think I judge them like kdramas for the content but as far as whatever else is universal for film or art like any other show or story.

    • 14.2 Mystisith

      I don’t think i could manage judging differently all the shows that i watch (how do people do that ?). I for sure don’t watch them for the same reasons in the first place, but my standards when it comes to quality are the same : Writing, pure acting and chemistry of the all cast, camera work. I should also add OST.
      Emotion and entertainment are the key words for me. Then, it has to be authentic, organic. Starting from there i’m a happy watcher with a good spirit.

      • 14.2.1 ahjummabunny

        recently I had I saw through the illusions of settings and realized that most of the shows I watch are detective shows! It was somewhat distressing because I suddenly thought every episode is the same, why am I watching this show! I got over it though.

    • 14.3 Leaf

      Hmm… I think I used to judge K dramas different as they were new and fun but now I think I judge them the same as everything else. Hence why I cut my drama viewing down a LOT.

    • 14.4 Shukmeister


      Asian dramas have certain aspects that aren’t necessarily in American television (like the short / one-season story arc), so I think of them separately. However, I still will only watch ones that I find interesting.

      For instance, only saw two episodes of Seinfeld. Ever. And I don’t regret it. lol

      • 14.4.1 Shiku

        Unfortunately I was made to watch all episodes and nowadays I actually find it funny!

    • 14.5 ricky the royal highness

      I can’t answer this question. It’s hard to pin-point the ‘why’ behind my obsession. But I do know that all the other television shows can never compete with Korean dramas.

      • 14.5.1 Cynthia

        True, that. I always laugh when I see queries like this – only because that one quote from a U.S. Chief Justice comes to mind when being questioned over what constitutes ‘porn’.

        “I can’t tell you what porn it is, but I know it when I see it!”

        So, for kdramas I watch what I like and I like what I watch. I’m a simple person, apparently.

        • ricky the royal highness

          I watch Kdramas because I love watching people fall in love. Is that a valid reason?

          Someone here mentioned it before. Was it Jomo? Hmm..

          • JoAnne

            Me too, Ricky! I love the romance, the sweetness and innocence of what is still called for by K TV. But I do welcome the real kisses we’re starting to see. I also love the humor, the pictures of another culture and country so different from my own, the family connections…the beautiful songs – American TV lacks in that area often.

            I figured out why I’m enjoying the KPop I do enjoy, too – which is probably a very narrow spectrum, but at least I understand why it appeals to me now. I am often offended by the sheer lack of musicality, taste, or insight in a lot of what plays on American radio these days. There’s good stuff out there, and I listen to it…but my favorite genre growing up, thanks to my dad, was always R&B, and I don’t find much I like being done these days. However, the KPop I listen to is very similar to what I most enjoyed from Top 40, R&B, Soul, and Hip Hop from the 60’s into the 80’s. It makes me smile.

    • 14.6 Carinne


    • 14.7 Jomo

      This is a good question, but I feel like my answer is all bullet points!

      I do judge them the same, I think, but they really are different animals. Miniseries are similar in feel to K dramas.
      I think that is why I really like first seasons of shows, or in some cases, the first two. Once the OTP gets together, I am less interested.

      What I want from a movie or show is to feel connected to the characters – even if I hate them!

      Shows that are too distant – too slick – I enjoy less.

      Laugh tracks really bug me; I haven’t watched many US sit-comedy shows that have them.

      • 14.7.1 John

        Laugh tracks really bug me~

        Yes. Ugh! That’s a killer for me.

        • Cynthia

          Vampire Idol uses canned laugh tracks. Couldn’t believe it – I mean, VI is a cheesy production to begin with, but that laugh track is just obnoxious.

      • 14.7.2 whimsyful

        Same! I get so annoyed by them.

      • 14.7.3 Jennifer

        haha is it weird we’re all alike? I don’t watch many shows, if any even, with laugh tracks in them…. I don’t mind them THAT much but I’ve just never been attracted to those types of shows… The only I can think of right now is Full House and Mr. Crosby, the old shows.

        • Jennifer

          haha apparently I’ve haven’t had cable for wayyyy to long. I knew that sounded wrong before I went to look it up, I meant The Cosby Show.

    • 14.8 whimsyful

      Hmm. I don’t think I judge kdramas differently from other television. There is a difference between mini-series and shows that go on for multiple seasons, but when I judge a show’s quality it’s always down to the same things: writing (an interesting story with logical developments and good characterization), acting and directing (cinematography, pacing and music).

      On the other hand, there’s the enjoyment factor, which is sometimes completely unrelated to the quality. There have been quite a few shows that I knew were terrible quality-wise but I still enjoyed.

    • 14.9 Shiku

      No separate standards. I watch what interests me.

    • 14.10 Cabbage

      I judge them differently because I have different expectations and a different relationship with a kdrama than an American TV show. (We won’t talk about jdramas, because you have to take all of those with a side of salt and hopefully a chu-hai.)
      It’s not that I lower my standards for Kdramas, but I don’t hold them to the same character and storyline originality, the same acting quality, or the same productions standards as I require from AmTV. But, I know that I’m going to get an emotive response that far exceeds what I feel when I watch sitcoms. The last time I cried during something western was Schindler’s List. Kdramas hit me up for tears about 1 in 5.
      So, which is better, realism or emotional impact? That’s not an easy decision to make. Movies like Traffic or Babel show gritty realism, but I don’t really want to watch them more than once. But I watch Rob Reiner films over and over. We can’t just say that romcoms are sell-outs, but they have different goals and different messages than serious films. Every culture has its own values that affect the production: Indian religious films focus on connecting the audience to the characters through melodrama, post-war American sitcoms promoted the suburban American Dream, French films focus on visual impact. Depending on what I want to experience at the time, that’s the genre I’m drawn to.

    • 14.11 JoAnne

      I don’t know that I have different standards, exactly…but I probably do make some excuses for KDrama on the grounds that I must miss some of the subtlety due to cultural background or subbing issues.

      If the basic premise is romance, in any language, you must make me love the characters and want to be the girl. If you can do that, I will suffer through any ridiculous plot contrivance.

      If it’s a mystery or a procedural, I want you to keep me guessing. The show that can surprise me at the end is the show I adore. If I can tell you what’s going to happen at the end when I’ve only watched 10 minutes of a show, I’m disappointed. I may still watch because how you get to that end point is actually pretty interesting to me, but the really successful shows take me to an end I totally didn’t see coming. I do find that Kdramas can surprise me more often than American shows at this point, but I believe that’s due to the sheer length of the drama series as opposed to the episodic nature of American offerings. (usually 1 hour for a show, 2 for a movie)

  15. 15 John

    Friday !

    Watching Moon/Sun & HOTS

    Also the Chinese drama Schemes of a Beauty.

    So many beauties and so many schemes. I will say that life is cheap in this drama. Folks get knocked off for slights, real or imagined. Lots of plot twists.

    I love Ruby Lin.

    • 15.1 Shiku

      Schmes of a beauty was good for the first 20-30 eps. After that (except ep 34) the remaining eps are horrible.

      • 15.1.1 cv

        I can’t stand too much plotline and twist in a drama. Takes too much of my time getting everything straight when one or two twist is good for me.

        • John

          Lol. You practically need a scorecard to keep track of who is who. Numerous Queens, Dowagers Queens and Grand Dowager Queens, princes, concubines etc.

          • cv

            LOL and that is why i don’t really watch Cdramas that are really long with lots of twist and turns. It get’s boring after awhile watching one queen trying to kill another…while another is trying to betray another just to have power, and etc. It’s just toooooo much work! I like it simple with a twist or two and a plotline that’s enjoyable.

          • Shiku

            The plotline wasn’t the problem, it was the annoying side characters and the kids. It’s amazing how 2 intelligent people give birth and raise such dumb kids.

          • cv

            ahaha! and there is that! Side characters can be annoying–they are just fillers when nothing else interesting is going on in the show.

      • 15.1.2 Carinne

        Sad but true… so many beautiful scenes and then I zoned out later episodes. > __ <

      • 15.1.3 John

        Thanks for the warning. We’ll watch it to the end though. We’re about 1/2 way through Ep 21 or so.

        I’m waiting for more Eps of Beauties Of Tang Palace to be subbed.

  16. 16 laya

    Happy weekend, DB ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I’d just finished watching my weekly dose of City Hunter [I think I mostly just watch it for LMH, but it helps a lot that the drama is really good] and thought I’d check DB to see the latest.

    I’d moved back home after a bad case of job burnout (and maybe a bit of midlife crisis) and now that I’ve detoxified a bit, I’m looking around for another job to help pay the bills. Please do keep your fingers crossed for me. ๐Ÿ˜€

    • 16.1 zgznoona

      Good luck on your job hunt

      • 16.1.1 laya

        Thank you <3

    • 16.2 Hillary

      Good luck with your job search.

      • 16.2.1 laya

        Thanks ๐Ÿ˜€

  17. 17 zgznoona

    Good OT my lovely people!!!
    Glad is Friday morning in my part of the world, so I can come here and talk with you.
    Shel, I glad to see youโ€™re recovering fast and well.
    cherkell, I hope you survive the reorganization of your company. I know how scary that is.
    ennayra, work hard on your thesis, kdramas will wait for you, and so we will. ๐Ÿ™‚
    Iโ€™ve been feeling a little bit disappointed with kdramas lately. Particularly, because the year started heavy in melo and DH2 is a fiasco.
    Now that WU, FF and WR are gone, Iโ€™ve been looking for consolation, and I have immersed my self in jdramas.
    Iโ€™m currently watching : Ending Planner, Switch Girl, Hungry, and Lucky Seven
    in addition to marathoning a few more, and enjoying them all. ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ˜€
    Now Iโ€™m just waiting for Rooftop Prince
    have you seen the trailer yet?
    I’m crossing my fingers for this one

    • 17.1 John

      Re Lucky 7

      I’m getting the feeling that there’s going to be a romance between Shuntaro and the boss.

      • 17.1.1 zgznoona

        probably, but in jdramas romance isn’t always the center of the story.
        So we might just see some implyed attraction and that’s all

        • zgznoona

          I meant implied

        • jay dee

          unless we’re really lucky like with Love Shuffle ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Cabbage

            Mmmm…Love Shuffle…

    • 17.2 Cynthia

      Hey, Z! Thanks for the trailer link – it’s official, I’m gonna LOVE me some Yoochun in this one!! The trailer alone has me hooked like a fish on a line. Can’t wait for RP! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • 17.3 Cruelsummer

      That trailer looks soooo good! I cannot wait! Just the thing to fill the void left from Wild Romance.

    • 17.4 redfox

      do they actually time travel wearing their old clothing bhahaha hilarious. I am sure it will be excellent

    • 17.5 Raine

      Unni, I need to get back on J-dorama. I miss them. Maybe on Sunday! If you’re not busy we can start one together?

      • 17.5.1 zgznoona


  18. 18 leonardswench

    I need some confirmed Hand Towel casting news this March ….. c’mon, drama gods!!!

    Happy Friday to everyone, and Happy Birthday to my Sierra and Lee Hong Ki!

    • 18.1 Jomo

      HB Sierra!

      But who will be the lead actress sandwich between THT and JaeJoong?

      Who will be the generation bridging female who can steal both their hearts?

      • 18.1.1 Kaleido

        I am very curious about the female leads as well.. there will be 2 i assume if they sort of follow the j version…

        I have just finished both Jin and Jin 2 last week and i must say it’s beyond awesome… it featured some exceptional acting.. the four main leads, Osawa Takao as Dr. Jin took my breath away… Uchino Masaaki, Ayase Haruka and Nakatani Miki were superb… nice OST too…

        all i am gonna say is that SSH and JJ have big shoes to filled… I am really hoping the k version to be good because i like the j version a lot… can’t wait to hear more about this drama.

        • Jomo

          Well, SSH has no problem filling towels.
          I don’t know about shoes…hehehe

        • Shiku

          I also watched Jin/Jin 2 and it was awesome. I also agree that they have pretty big shoes and towels (wink at Jomo) to fill. Kinda sad that some of the fabulous historial figures they had here like Sakamoto Ryomo won’t be in this version

          • zgznoona

            Shiku, I think in these cases the towel should always be small. I’m sure Jomo and everyone else agree with me on that one. ๐Ÿ™‚ The acting and writing should be good, but the towel…

      • 18.1.2 leonardswench

        I am on pins and needles … maybe Yoon Eun Hye?

        • jomo

          If only…That could be awesome!

  19. 19 dany

    Hello, everyone and Happy Friday! Does anyone know anything about Full House 2? I am curious if they are really starting filming or what?
    Is anyone watching Skip Beat? I ‘m not a Super Junior fan but I love our 2 male leads in the series and the ost is great.

    • 19.1 zgznoona

      FH2 was made for japanese tv, and supposedly will air this month. So it’s probably been filmed already

      • 19.1.1 dany

        thank you for the info!

    • 19.2 Raine

      Skip BEAT! I’m only on 7 but I plan to catch up on everything sunday. My band plays 3 sets tonight and I work ALLLLLL day tomorrow. Sunday is my ONLY day off! Come on Sunday!

    • 19.3 Hillary

      I adore Skip Beat. And the guy that play’s Si Won’s manager is just hilarious … his knowing looks and gentle prodding manner just cracks me up. Like you, I am not a Super Junior fan but I do like Si Won and Dong Hae. And really like Ivy Chen. I have been reading a synopsis of manga in order to understand the episodes until they are subbed.

      • 19.3.1 Cabbage

        I think I like the story even better in drama form than manga form. But I love the little details that they’ve added, like the security guards and the yellow phone attachment!

  20. 20 Sierrablue

    Off to Brazil for a week of hot weather and nothing but meat to eat (or so I heard). Wish I could stay home and be a bum in front of my computer.

    I’m so behind on shows, actually the only one I’m still watching is Salaryman, so fun.

    Happy Friday everyone, enjoy the weekend!

    • 20.1 Cruelsummer

      Sometimes I swear I am the laziest person on Earth and would sell one of my kidneys to have a week of uninterrupted bum time, but there will never be a day when I would say I’d rather be a bum then hang out in Brazil, LOL ๐Ÿ™‚

      Have a great time and Happy Friday to you as well!

    • 20.2 zgznoona

      Enjoy your trip!!!
      I wish I could go too

  21. 21 Jomo

    It is DBOT day!

    My current true love is (still) Shin Ha-kyun aka Dr. Sexy Brain.
    After finishing Harvest Villa – great ending, btw! –
    I made a list of must sees from his Hancinema/IMDB profiles and am currently going through all his films.
    Here is my mind dump:

    Joint Security Area (2000) – LOVED THIS FILM!
    Fall in love with Lee Byun Hun all over again. The first of many films he costars with Song Kang-ho. Best last shot in a film EVER.

    Guns and Talks (2001) Won Bin, too. Holy schmidt this is cute, and LOL funny at times. Belly laughs. LOVED it.
    Oh yeah, stylized violence, too. I bought this one.

    Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance (2002) Troubling. I loved and loathed his character. He doesn’t speak in this film. Very very violent. NOTHING pretty about it.

    Save the Green Planet (2003) Violent, funny, bloody, disgusting, poignant, surprising. So much happened that I have to watch it again. SHK said this was his most challenging role and it is easy to see why.

    My Brother (2004) Won Bin again. Kim Hae-suk plays his mother – a role she will reprise. Ummmm sad. Cried.

    Lady Vengeance (2005)- His role is brief. Film was very disturbing. We saw a baby Kim Yoo Jung (MetS) in a horrifying moment.

    Welcome to Dongmakgol (2005) I really liked this one, but it has a lot of war violence, too. Gives you a lot to think about.

    No Mercy for the Rude (2006) While his character doesn’t speak, he does the voiceover. Watching him in this movie, I couldn’t believe it’s the same actor as Green Planet, Dr. Brain, etc. He becomes a completely different person. And, all I could think was “I bet Eric Mun watched this and based his Que Sera Sera acting off of it.” I have to rewatch this one, too.

    Thirst (2009) Whacked: funny, poignant, so strange. Not for the feint of heart. Seriously, he is soooo strange.
    Kim Hae-suk plays his mother again.

    The Quiz Show Scandal (2010) Cute movie. Great cast and premise. He has a cameo that you could miss if you are not paying attention.

    Festival or Foxy Festival (2010) A sex comedy that makes you go “Awwwww” at S&M. Really sweet message amid very non-threatening sex toys. Great cast. The things his character says and does – nobody but SHK could make you like him. He does flawed ass hat – vulnerable perfectly.

    I d/l The Devil’s Game (2007) but haven’t had time.

    What I like about watching films is you get the best of a drama distilled into two hours; topics and ideas that TV could never air, but, as we all complain, you don’t get enough TIME with the actors. I think that is why I burned through so many so fast. Pure greed.

    Anyone see any of these?

    • 21.1 ahjummabunny

      I haven’t seen any movies made after 1955 in 3 years!

      • 21.1.1 Plume

        I watched Sympathy for Lady Vengeance last week end, after months of listening to the awesome OST. It did not live up to the expectation. And it was indeed disturbing. But the music is absolutely wonderful.

    • 21.2 Shukmeister

      Saw JSA and Thirst. Of the two, I liked Thirst more; I felt bad for the main vamp, because he really made some wrong choices just to no longer be alone.

      I recently watched a vamp film Hero, made in Japan in 2005. Teenaged reluctant vampire against the evil Big Bad.

      Other recent films (in the last month or so):
      – Phunsang Dog (2011 Korean, lots of muddy, sweaty abs from my favorite doctor).
      – Frozen Flower (2011 Korean, on recommendation from our lovely Movie Noonas).
      – Only You Can Hear Me (2010 Japanese, introverted girl starts talking via a toy cellphone to a boy located in another town)
      – Mulan (2009 Chinese live-action version)
      – Final Fantasy VII – The Advent Children (2011 Japanese computerized animation following the video game)
      – Bow, The Ultimate Weapon (2011 Korea, one man against the Chinese hordes)

      • 21.2.1 Jomo

        Where did you find Mulan?
        My daughter and I want to see it!

        • Shukmeister

          I downloaded it at It came in two separate files that had to be linked, but had some pretty good hardsubs.

          • Shukmeister

            Oh, and to link them you need an .rar extractor. I use a great freebie one called RAR Extract Frog that came highly recommended by FYI

          • Jomo

            I have EZ expander that I d/l from somewhere.

            RAR always makes me laugh because I think “Rawr!” since I am ususally downloading movies with hot actors!

          • Shukmeister

            Don’t we all, my friend, don’t we all.

      • 21.2.2 TiaC

        OMFG, FFVII Advent Children. That piece of shiz almost killed my love for my favorite video game ever. I waited for that f*cking movie for over four years and THAT was the best they could make? Yeah, the graphics were great, but they couldn’t give the plot even a nominal amount of thought? They couldn’t even be bothered with HAVING a plot for the last half hour!

        Sorry for the rant, but that movie is a sore subject for me.

        • Shukmeister

          LOL – I couldn’t agree with you more; I kinda started nodding off at the end. It was very disappointing for the franchise.

        • Jomo

          Yes, it does seem to be! LOL!

      • 21.2.3 zgznoona

        I’m pretty sure A Frozen Flower is from 2008, but great movie anyways.

        • Cynthia

          It was good – JoAnne & I have discussed FF in other OT’s – but I still maintain the rather juvenile reaction of ‘I saw your naughty girl bits in action’ whenever I see her on Running Man.

          • Cynthia

            Sorry – I was referring to Song Ji-hyo in the above comment.

          • JoAnne

            Yes, because I can state unequivocably that I have never been on Running Man. And I am fairly certain that Cynthia has not been around when my lady bits were on view.

          • JoAnne

            equivocally? equivocably – no, I know that one’s wrong.

            I can state without equivocation. I know that’s right.

          • Cynthia

            Omg – are we the Grammar/Context/Spelling Police, or what?! It takes a massive amount of self-control to refrain from correcting some of the comments I see – and suffering from ‘Last Word’ syndrome doesn’t help either…..

            My beloved younger sister just chalks it up to my being the perennial pain-in-the-ass that I am.

          • Shukmeister

            @ Cynthia – that’s why you make such a great office manager. Looking forward to see if you are a good guy or a bad guy.

          • Ani

            Hahaha. I forget about that until Jo Insung is brought up, and then all I can think is “Oh yeah, I saw Jihyo’s top half without a shirt”. It’s a dangerous road to go down because it makes me think of the guys and if Jaesuk watches it with his other erotic movies (him being the closet perv he allegedly is), or if Monday Boyfriend Gary does, or Haha…. And I wonder if the Commander has seen it and secretly has the hots for Jihyo. Hey, my ultimate coupling outside of the Monday Couple would be the Ace Couple. No lie. Most of the time Frozen Flower for me is a reminder of how Jihyo’s film/drama counterparts are so different from her Running Man personality. XD

      • 21.2.4 John

        I enjoyed Bow TUW, saw it on ionair. Nice recap of it btw, by HeadsNo2.

        • Shukmeister

          I didn’t read the recap prior to watching it, but thanks for the link. I always like to see how someone else perceives a movie.

    • 21.3 cmrprindle

      I think I’ve watched only 2 asian movies since accepting my addiction. Really, that’s not why I’m posting. I’m posting because…

      *HUGS!* JOMO! I’ve missed you and had been wondering where you were, but only remembering when I far far away from electronic devices ๐Ÿ™ Anywho, how is Jomo the Wise, and the the Wise family?

      • 21.3.1 Jomo

        Hugs back to you and your phone!

        We Wises are having a grand old time, CMR!

        Violin Wise is 16 going on wanna-be-27-mom-you-don’t-know-anything-I-can’t-wait-to-drive-at-night-buy-me-a-smart-phone-I-will-pay-you-for-the-monthly-fees-somehow-why-can’t-you-trust-me-just-because-I-lied-about-everything-else?

        Guitar Wise is turning 12 tomorrow. He loves Skyrim.

        Mr. Wise is well as well. He sends me texts like “ran 3.4 miles today on treadmill” “Can you get salt poisoning from lasagna?” “I thought I was going to go home sick but now I feel better” It is difficult to reply to them – as I want to say “And I care because?” LOL! I sort of feel sometimes like he is my third child.

        My big plans still include: BALI 2012 – September- Be there!
        Everyone is invited! (Maybe I will do a FB group for sharing travel info.)

        • cmrprindle

          Happy Birthday, Guitar Wise! Has he yet discovered the power of the ax? I guess he’s probably a couple of years away…which may be for the best. Especially if he’s going to keep RP’ing ๐Ÿ˜‰

          My phone says hello. She may be putting in an appearance tomorrow at the laundromat.

          • cmrprindle

            And? We really have to make Bali happen.

    • 21.4 Raine

      Jomo…I’m going to have to burn through these too…*goes off to DL*

      • 21.4.1 Jomo

        I found a bunch at dramauploads but that isn’t 100%. Some had links but I didn’t get a completed file when it was done downloading
        Netflix has four of them.
        Lots are completed on YT, I was happy to see because it is less disruptive than a Dramacrazynet or mysoju.

        • Shukmeister

          I’ve dl’d Harvet Villa so hopefully I’ll have it watched by the end of the month. What is YT?

          • Shukmeister

            [smacking forehead, hard] nevermind…

          • Jomo


          • Hillary

            Quadruple LOL… Was that a senior moment, Shuk?

          • Shukmeister

            I can’t remember, Hil. hee hee hee.
            And, yes, it probably was. ๐Ÿ˜Ž

    • 21.5 Shee

      Yes harvest villa & sorry to say this is one of the worst kdramas i’ve seen! disappointing for me coz it was nice at the start but the rest of the episodes got corny for me!

      If i can add some of the ones that was worth watching K movies & these are:

      Hello School Girl
      Secret Reunion
      Babo or Pabo with Cha tae young
      First Kiss (old but good)
      Love so Divine
      Ice Rain

      among the few!!

      • 21.5.1 jomo

        I did not love Harvest Villa.
        I did a lot of watching while surfing the web.

        I liked the daughter character the best.

  22. 22 Cruelsummer

    Hi All!

    Nothing new on the horizon. Still watching the same dramas: Shut Up! Dream High 2. Also still watching episodes of ‘We Got Married’, which I really want to stop watching because it’s making me want to date and just thinking about dating gives me a headache..ugh.

    Just in case no one noticed my subtle campaign this week, I have officially dubbed Sungjoon mine. Not even willing to share. I’m sure there will be some grumblings, especially as he continues to get hotter with each episode, but I’m laying down the law ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I’m exhausted, but excited for the weekend. I have a facepainting gig for the next couple of weekends. Yeah…I’m a dork. But I like dressing up and playing with kids. It makes me happy because my 9-5 is a life destroyer (with benefits).

    Hope everyone has a fantastic weekend!

    • 22.1 Jomo

      I don’t know who has the power to grant your wish for SJ, but I approve.

      I choose and claim MINEs with regularity, but rarely keep them longer than a few months.

      I think the exception is Ha Jung Woo and now, Shin Ha-kyun.

      • 22.1.1 Ani

        I’m wondering if I’m the only one who goes around claiming married men (in my head): Jang Hyuk (I feel like HeadsNo2 will have my head for this one), Song Il-kook, Eun Jiwon (heh), and Cha Taehyun (double heh). Some of them for outright hotness and acting chops that kill me everytime, and others for never failing to make me laugh. Hell I would claim unmarried Kim Jong-kook if KJKGlobal hadn’t claimed him first. XD

        • Shiku

          I used to claim Song Il Gook but that was before I watched AMCG which killed his hotness/coolness factor imo.

          Was he good in FF?

          • JoAnne

            He is the sweetest hot-headed baby-faced hurt tough guy with a heart of gold EVER in FF. I want to hug him and kiss him and pat his shoulder and sit there and let him look at me with those eyes the way he looks at her. I LUFF him.

            But not the way I love My Beloved.

    • 22.2 cmrprindle

      Happy Weekend, Cruelsummer. Is “We Got Married” worth it? I was thinking of putting it in queue.

      Have fun at your weekend gig! It sounds fantastic. My favorite job is still the years I worked at a summer day camp, exhausting though it was.

      • 22.2.1 Cruelsummer

        I love it! I highly recommend it. I would start with the first season because it’s a bit fresher. By the second season it seems as if most of the couples are completely aware of the cameras. I will warn you, though…there are a lot of episodes and you will want to watch them all.

        • cmrprindle

          There are multi seasons? How unusual and cool!

    • 22.3 Raine

      FACEPAINTING! I always get my face painted and I’m definitely not a kid…

      I’ve MINE’d PSH. I think it’s whoever has the toughest fists. I have the toughest fists in Florida!

      • 22.3.1 Jomo

        Raine –
        My daughter just saw a comedic Juillard trained bassoon quartet called “Breaking Wind.” She said they are all gorgeous women, a couple are now at Yale.

        Have you heard of them?

  23. 23 Dorotka

    Hello everyone!
    I don’t peek or post here much, as my Fridays and weekends are too busy, but…. I just had to tell you how damn right you were! There is finally some skinship in Dal Ja’s Spring!!!!! And Lee Min Ki counting to 3 is hot, hoT, HOT!!! Considering watching “I Really Really Like You” when I finish this just because of him ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • 23.1 zgznoona

      How ready are you for makjang? I Really Really Like You starts cute, but it drove me crazy at times. Seriously, like one of those crazy TW dramas.
      Birth secrets that are not such secrets, birth mother you wish would disappear. Messed up love triangles… For me only Lee Minki’s character save the day

      • 23.1.1 Dorotka

        oh no, no makjang, please! OK, then no RRLY ๐Ÿ™
        Thanks for warning.
        Will have to rewatch the 1st 2 episodes of Shut Up! then…

        • zgznoona

          You can also try his movies

    • 23.2 Raine

      DAL JA! I’m on episode 10 right now. You just inspired me to watch it when I get on the treadmill…which should be now…but OT…OT….ok fine. Lee Min-ki!

      • 23.2.1 Dorotka

        You will have to be still patient… the counting happens at the end of the episode 14. But they repeat it in the beginning in episode 15 ๐Ÿ™‚

  24. 24 Stacey

    Happy Friday!

    I’ve been LOVING Shut Up: Flower Boy Band. That show just keeps getting better and better. I can’t wait for the next episodes! Eeeeeeeeeeeek *fangirls*
    I am really liking Su-Ah’s character which is so nice because I never really like the main girl in k-dramas. The lead guys are always set up as these complex characters but the girls (most of the time) are just cliched damsels in distress. It irritates me so much. BUT that is totally not the case with Flower Boy Band. Su-Ah is pretty kick ass and she doesn’t need anyone to look out for her. When she slapped Pyo Joo it was SO SATISFYING. I think Pyo Joo just needs to go die or something. Biggest. Asshole. Ever.

    Dream High 2 is continuing to suprise me – in a good way! The show is so light-hearted and easy watch but it does deal with some more serious issues. I am a huuuuuuge JB-Shin Hae Sung shipper. They’re so cute and awkward. It’s lovely. It really is. Also, the B song has been stuck in my head for awhile. Yup.

    Bachelor’s Vegetable Store is very near the end… *parties* The show had sooooooo much potential but it’s just a mess. I stuck through with it though because I actually enjoying watching said mess and shouting at the screen. It’s all very fun.

    I’ve been wanting to watch Twelve Men In A Year but no english subs so far ๐Ÿ™

    • 24.1 Cynthia

      Awww – you think BVS is a mess? I’m liking it, but I think a lot of us were initially disappointed because the promos painted an entirely different take on the actual drama. While we were all fangirling over half-naked guys frolicking in a field with a water hose, the writer was busy with adding copious amounts of makjang/angst to the actual, intended script. So, it isn’t the light drama we were hoping for in our heads. But, that being said, I’m liking it a lot – and I have to admit that my Critic Meter is a lot kinder after having experienced ATK. You want a mess? THAT was a mess.

      • 24.1.1 Mystisith

        Open-ended Drama Scale for Evilness and WTF script :
        ATK phenomenon analysis :
        **The computer is still processing… Please be patient and have a fire extinguisher at arm’s length**

        • Cynthia


          ATK is the dead horse that refuses to die.

          I shall await your pronouncement.

          • Shukmeister

            I think I’m gonna start asking royalties for my [snerk] as a registered trademark of The Shukmeister Corporation LLC.

            You know it’s a combination of a snort and a smirk, right?

          • Cynthia

            Hah! It’s too late to register [snerk] – we’ve been using it for YEARS over at ‘Television Without Pity’- between Alias and Lost, we practically wore it out….

        • Raine


      • 24.1.2 cherkell

        Well, truth in advertising — it was always promoted as a melodrama, with an emphasis on the MELO part (as we’re all finding out now). But when does a drama actually and completely adhere to its PR pieces anyway? I hate to admit that I’m so shallow as to dropping a few dramas because the promos didn’t live up to the hype I built up in my own brain. But that’s just me… YMMV.

        Problem is… what am I going to with this 55-gallon drum of vegetable oil, three 30-yard lengths of garden hose, and a case of overhead light bulbs for when BVS ends? I’m keeping the handcuffs for later usage… ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Mystisith

          At the end of the day, i watch this show and keep what interests and touches me. Honestly i wanted to give up after the 2 first episodes, but the cheerfulness of the boys has won me over. I always loved stories of professional achievement any way. Evil mum can go to Hell, and i decided Seul Woo would be redeemed. By myself if necessary.
          Seriously, i love the Veggie Store with the dorm. I wonder what will become of it. They could install a little medical facility for overworked actors needing to rest…

          • Cynthia

            Oh, well. Only 2 eps left. Didn’t you think it was a little odd that they sent my cutie-pie sweet cheeks off to Idol Land, leaving his pregnant wife/gf behind? I mean, they just wrote him out? Weird.
            Also, before I forget – how cute is that actress who plays Kwang-soo’s love interest?! She’s adorable – ever seen her in anything else?

          • Mystisith

            Cynthia, i love Idol daddy too. I wish we could see him back, even for a brief moment, with the baby in his arms.
            Like in those gorgeous B & W pics to promote adoption.


            If this doesn’t improve birth rate in Korea, then i’m short of ideas.

          • cherkell

            Myst, I thought you and I were going over there and move in permanently? Maybe there’s a spare Bachelor or two still hanging around we could put to work… ๐Ÿ™‚

            Oh don’t worry… Little Hottie Idol Bachelor will be back for either when Jung-ah goes into labour and he rushes back, or he returns as a mega-star or something and helps his hyungs run another store. But I found it weird that the PD-nim wrote him out for a few episodes — I haven’t found any news reports that say he’s working on a new project or anything.

            Seo-young is played by Kang Ye Sol, who was in “While You Were Sleeping” (didn’t watch), but I remember her best from “My Princess,” where she played the younger sister to the Kim Tae Hee character (name escapes me at the moment –Seol?). She and Kwang Soo look soooo cute together too — “he’ll always be her Giraffe…” SOB!!!

            Episode 22 gave me such warm fuzzies right up until the absolute end of it. Should be interesting how they’re gonna wrap everything up next week!!

    • 24.2 kewbie

      Same here! I have been waiting for Twelve Men in a Year subs! I watched a few subs RAW but I’m sure I’m missing a lot. I think Happysworld might have recaps, though.

  25. 25 redfox

    I was embroidering on my bed while watching dramas I am sorry to say I switched to Japanese old ones for a change out of nostalgic memories. and I stuck the needle inside the mattress and it sank in and I cant get it. Now I am afraid to sleep on this bed. gaah what do I do. Dummy! I think the crazy japanese drama turned my brain off for a moment. never stick your needles inside your bed.

    also *nom nom nom* < thatยดs me, eating my words or I will blabber something about a certain rock band drama and should I start about that I cant stop and this is not the place and time. wwaiiiiiiiit…..monday, monday, please come.

    • 25.1 Cynthia

      I feel for ya! At least the sharp point is down. Have to give you credit – I’d be going at that mattress with a pair of scissors and a big magnet.

      • 25.1.1 Ani

        I’d go at it with a big magnet. To tell you the truth, it happened to me before, except I forgot about the needle. Eventually the thing started coming out of my mattress on its own. Good thing I noticed it when I was fixing my bed. Phew. XD

      • 25.1.2 cmrprindle

        I am so with Cynthia! Scissors. Magnet. Paranoia! ๐Ÿ™‚ Good luck to you!

      • 25.1.3 redfox

        I think Iยดll just beat it until it comes out from the other side, maybe? I dunno. I dont think a magnet is any use – if I already cut a hole to help might as well rip it apart alltogether.

        paranoia is right. for now I just try to sleep on the other edge .
        but at some point I will forget it is there and sit on it I am sure. youยดll probably be able to hear my screams to wherever you are.

        • Cynthia

          I asked my hubby, ‘Mr. Fix-it’ the solution to your problem. Unfortunately, his answer was the same as your last sentence in the above comment……

    • 25.2 Mystisith

      I would throw away that damn mattress ! LOL. Or i would pile all my blankets on it before sitting my precious persona. I can be that radical and that complicated…

  26. 26 msjoe42

    Forget to input Title: A Wife’s Credentials / ์•„๋‚ด์˜ ์ž๊ฒฉ / Anaeui Jagyuk

    I need to make a correction for the Synopsis:

    Need to change daughter’s eduction to son’s education.

    • 26.1 msjoe42

      Hello Readers:
      On Wednesday, February 29, 2012
      Heard on the radio and television that Davy Jones an English singer-songwriter and actor best known as a member of The Monkees. Davy Jones was most famous for his role in the pop group The Monkees, which was put together in 1965 for the TV show of the same name. He died of a heart attack. RIP Mr. Jones.
      And on this same day, A Wifeโ€™s Credentials (jTBC) Episode 1 was broadcast. While watching A Wifeโ€™s Credential at 20:13 the song I heard was โ€œDaydream Believerโ€ by the Monkees.
      There are 2 classic 60โ€ฒs hit songs I heard while watching A Wife Credentials. (1) โ€œDaydream Believerโ€ by The Monkees and (2)โ€ Turn! Turn! Turn! (To Everything There Is a Season)โ€ by The Byrds.
      A third catchy song titled โ€œI Choose Happinessโ€ by David Choi Singer/Songwriter.
      Here is David Choi Official Website:
      I Choose Happiness โ€“ David Choi โ€“ Lucky Movie Trailer/Music Video at (
      Information on A Wifeโ€™s Credentials (JTBC Drama 2012)
      Genre: Melodrama
      Episodes: 16
      Broadcast network: jTBC
      Broadcast period: 2012-Feb-29 to 2012-Apr-19
      Air time: Wednesday & Thursday 20:45
      This drama tell the story of a ordinary housewife (Kim Hee Ae) who busy with her sonโ€™s education. On the same time, she falls in love with her neighbor who works as a dentist (Lee Sung Jae).

      • 26.1.1 Raine

        I heard about Davie Jones. My band and I were rehearsing when that happened so we messed around for a half hour on some old tunes. Haha. It was awesome cause our band is two guitars, violin and cello. Bet you ain’t never heard “I’m a Believer” that way! It’s all for you m. Jones.

        Did you know David Bowie’s name was David Jones and he changed it to Bowie?

      • 26.1.2 cherkell

        Oh sweet geesus… I was so wrapped up in my own little BVS world that I forgot about mentioning Davy Jones’ death. Although he wasn’t my favorite Monkee (that honour falling to Mike Nesmith), I freakin’ LOVED THAT SHOW!! I guess I might be showing my age when I can say that I watched it live on NBC in the mid-’60s, and then sitting in the balcony at the Coral Theatre in Oak Lawn, Illinois watching “Head” on the big screen (and not really comprehending Bob Rafelson’s genius until several decades later…). And a bunch of us just saw The Monkees play at the Mountain Winery last summer, where all three of them were the nicest guys on earth. RIP, Mr. Jones… you were ripped from this Earth way too soon, and will truly be missed. ::sob::

        • trixicopper

          Davy Jones was my first fangirl crush. I think I was 6. Needless to say, I’m feeling old this week. ๐Ÿ™

          • JoAnne

            I found out via IM at work from one of the guys. He said ‘We lost our first Monkee today…Davy Jones.’

            Sad news. By all accounts he was healthy and active and this was completely unexpected.

            Just so y’all know: When Mick Jagger dies, I’m taking bereavement leave.

          • Cabbage

            Joanne, don’t talk that way! He sold his soul to the devil for immortality, anyways.

  27. 27 kewbie

    Happy Friday, all!

    I have been watching one BTS for Shut Up: Flower Boy Band over and over and over and over again because it has THE KISS on it. Apparently, reading the comments, it’s Sung Joon’s first on-screen kiss. Pretty damn good if you ask me! It also has the scene where JH gets gum on SA’s shoe, and also KJ singing karaoke from ep 1.

    • 27.1 kewbie

      Also on the subject of SUFBB, I should also say I watched the movie Play, which is basically the story of the indie band Mate (๋ฉ”์ดํŠธ) , how they met, how they came to be, etc. I don’t know how much of it is true, but it was kinda interesting, even without subtitles. Jung Jun-il speaks English pretty well from the tiny bit in the beginning, from what I can tell. If Im Heon-il became an actor instead of a guitarist, I think he’d do well. He seemed pretty natural in front of the camera. However, I think the best part was watching the evolution of Lee Hyun-jae’s hair throughout the movie. Too bad we only see him/Do-il with one hairstyle, pretty much, during SUFBB. Ah well. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • 27.2 Dorotka

      Oh, the kiss in the BTS is so much better than the cut version in the actual episode… melting…

      • 27.2.1 JoAnne

        *fanning self*

        when he goes in for that second kiss? omo…

  28. 28 Shiku

    I really don’t know why the GOP have decided to turn the focus of the election from the economy and jobs into a full-on war on women.

    In addition to rolling back equal pay regulations (women shouldn’t get paid same as men), they (GOP governors) decided to pass laws that may allow a doctor to lie to you and not face repercussions (as they think this will decrease abortions) and force women to have intravaginal ultrasounds.

    Yesterday, the senate were defeated the Blunt ammendment which would give an employer total control over an employees health coverage. They can decide to object to any treatments if it’s against their ‘moral conscience’ e.g. If he is Catholic he won’t provide birth control because it promotes promiscuity (even though you may suffer from a specific medical condition that requires this). If he is Jehovah’s witness he can decide not to cover blood transfusions as they are against it, if he is a scientologist, he may decide to deny you psychiatric help because he doesn’t believe in depression. If you are obese or diabetic an employer can deny you coverage if he sees this as a result of leaving a sinful or overindulgent lifestyle. If you have liver cancer who is to say your employer won’t deny you coverage because you are alcoholic, etc.

    What is your view on the Blunt amendment? What do you think of the condition of the race now?

    • 28.1 Leaf

      the US “healthcare” system…. only reason I’m glad I’m british…

      And seriously… they are even going to make it possible to ban the pill on insurance? Wow… as someone who has a medical condition which requires I take it (and is less promiscus than a Nun) I would offically be even more doomed under the US system then I was before… wow.

      • 28.1.1 Raine

        I had a HUGE discussion almost everyday about healthcare when my British buddies were in town…

        • Leaf

          It is because the American system is so so bad we can never believe why you haven’t held a revolution to change it to something saner and better.

        • Leaf

          And also I get annoyed in particular about it because me and my Mum depend so so much on Hospitals. My Mum has had cancer three times and I have above mentioned health problem which leads to me visiting the Hospital like it is my second home.
          I know if I didn’t have the NHS my Mum would be dead (like her Friend in America who had the same thing she had), as well as my Dad (but that’s would be a benifit instead of a tragedy…) and I would be in a really bad state and, given the many health problems I have to look forward to, soon dead.

          • Shiku

            I can imagine as my mum’s cancer left us with a huge debt since we didn’t have insurance. We were able to pay it off through raising funds from family and friends. You are lucky you live in the UK.

          • Leaf

            Wow… it’s amazing you were able to raise funds!! That’s fantastic! You obviously have great family and friends!! ๐Ÿ˜€

            Yeah… whenever I start saying how rubbish the UK is my Mum always reminds me that at least we have healthcare…

      • 28.1.2 Cabbage

        Actually the US FDA has only approved the pill for birth control, so doctor’s aren’t allowed to prescribe it for anything else. If you have a condition (in my friend’s case it was severe cramps, in my case delayed periods) the doctor will hover over you and ask “You need birth control, don’t you?” “ah, not rea-” “you need birth control DON’T YOU??” “Oh, yeah.”

        • Leaf

          Really… wow… that’s shocking.

          With me my DNA is completely messed up and if I don’t take the ‘pill’ my bones would be very weak and brittle and if I broke them they would seriously shatter. With the pill my body can fake being a normal human.

    • 28.2 trixicopper

      The reason the GOP has decided to go all out with their War on Women(and it is a full on war) is because it has worked for them in the past. And they really don’t have anything else. Plus, they’re nuts. Personally I’m waiting for one of them to bring up repealing the 19th amendment.

      • 28.2.1 Leaf

        Women voters are statistically more likely to vote Democrat. Might that have a part? lol

        • Cabbage

          Did anyone else see The Daily Show’s report on Fox Newscaster Megyn Kelly’s backpeddling stance on maternity leave AFTER she got pregnant?

          • Leaf

            HA! Why does that not surprise me…?

      • 28.2.2 Hillary

        I actually wish that one day they just do it. Repeal any part of women’s reproductive rights. It will be a blue election, I can guarantee it.

        • Leaf

          We can only dream…

          But that’s why I always thought Obama would win a second term! Not because of what he’s done (although he’s amazing and should win for that) but because the Republicans would be so so bad no one could vote for them (although my faith in the American people is not that strong on this to be honest…). I was thinking Sarah Palin but even without her they’re doing an awesome job of being unelectable ๐Ÿ˜€
          Now they just have to be not elected…
          Come on USA!!! You can do it!!

          • Ani

            I want President Obama to get a second term too, but I live in a Conservative Republican town right now and I don’t know how the outside world is faring, but I can tell you living where I am makes me think Obama really will lose. People from these parts scare me to no end. Most arguments they make are not supported by facts when they speak to me, but is just ignorance and crazy at its worst. But this level of hate towards the President is the reason why I doubt he’ll win. If he’s getting more support elsewhere than what I am seeing here, than maybe there’s hope in America yet.

          • Shiku

            The level of hate directed at the Pres. Obama is very scary as he hasn’t done anything to deserve it. But I am hopeful there are more sane and rational people who will get out and vote in the election.

          • JntRisinger

            Well Ani,

            If you live in Conservative Republican town right now and the Conservative people scare you to no end why do not just pack up and leave. It’s the beginning of a socialist country headed by one of the biggest marxist United States of America has ever seen. I guest you should live in a Liberal Democratic town that share you beliefs.

            Do you believe in the Liberal Democrats Redistribution of weath?

            For Democrats they believe in Redistrubution of weath; however, they do not want their wealth to be redistribute.

            Do you believe in taking hard earned money to distribute it to the lazy. Your achievements in life are based on how hard the individual has worked and the choices they have made in life. The rich are rich because they worked hard to get there and made good choices. The poor are poor because people you elect in goverment make promises to the poor. The poor people are given free government housing, a welfare check, and food stamps; therefore, some do not have the will to work to better there life and get out goverment assistance.

          • Leaf

            What is it with all the trolls this week?

            And JntRisinger how do you watch k dramas? I mean seriously… you must spent the whole time yelling at the heroines for being ‘lazy’ and poor. It must be very stressful for you.

          • Shiku


            You do know that life isn’t fair. Some people work hard all their life but remain poor not by choice though. I don’t see why you demonize poor people so much. What’s wrong if someone who is struggling to feed their family needs food stamps to do that? Is it so wrong to ask for help when you need it. What about the people who just lost family members and had their homes destroyed by tornadoes? So they can’t ask for help especially now they may have lost everything they own.

            What is wrong with the rich paying their fair share of taxes? You want the poor to stop being the poor and pay their taxes yet you give a free pass to the rich.

            Anyway, I don’t mind my tax money helping the poor because at the end of the day it’s just money. I like money and the things you can buy with it but human life is worth more than money.

            PS: It’s kinda juvenile (how old are you anyway?) asking Ani to move just because she doesn’t like her neighbours’ ignorant views.

            Democrats aren’t perfect but they are way better than republicans at this point.

          • Ani

            Well JntRisinger,

            It’s hard for me to move when I can’t afford to move. Here’s the thing sweetheart, no matter how hard I work, I still can’t support myself or my parents (my father being unable to walk) and my young siblings. One summer, I even worked 60 hours a week! Do you know what it’s like to work a 40 hour job and another part time job just so I can get by? And both were office jobs too! And this while I was a part time student! Do you know what it’s like to leave the house at 7 even the morning to catch a bus to work, catch another bus to a second job, and then catch a third bus and be home by 10 at night? Not all poor people are lazy. We work just as hard, dream just as big, but with limited resources and opportunities, it’s not always possible to climb that damn corporate ladder.

            I fell off a ladder and didn’t even bother to go to the hospital because I was AFRAID I might be up to more debt than I can handle. And now my spine is out of whack and trying to pay for chiropractic help is problematic. Don’t act as if you understand the first things about my life and the harsh realities that I have had to face.

            I normally have a moderate-liberal stance on things, although I do admit to being a Democrat. Here’s the thing, I don’t hate Republicans and Conservatives. I have friends who wear the red proudly and we have intellectual debates about our views. I just can’t stand always having the Conservative Republicans here shoving it all down my throat without backing their beliefs with facts and expecting me to listen when they themselves refuse to listen. I’m sorry you think the way you do, but unless you’ve walked a mile in my shoes, unless you’ve come to the point in your life where death is preferable over medical treatment and debt, unless you’ve given up a meal to feed siblings that live 3000 miles away from you, unless you eat, drink and breathe hardship, DO NOT BEGIN TO ACT LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT IT’S LIKE TO BE ME.

            P.S. No, I do not get Food Stamp or all those other aids because as bad as it gets for me, I still think there are others who may just have it worse. Who work just as hard and still can’t get anywhere in life.

          • Ani

            P.P.S. Ok, frankly people tell me I’m a liberal, but because I understand and sometimes 9sometimes, key word, sometimes) sympathize with Conservative views, I’d like to believe I’m more moderate in my views because I prefer to see both sides without holding any biases – which is more than can be said about major news outlets.

          • Ani

            P.P.P.S. The same can be applied to my views on the two parties. I may identify as a Democrat, but there are some things (some, key word, some) in which I can say I agree with the Republicans.

          • meldel

            Hello Ani,

            There is nothing wrong for you take the food stamps, getting free government housing, and a welfare check, and free healthcare. If I was in your shoes I would have taken it. If you did not do so; someone else would have taken it and it could have been yours from the get go.

          • Ani

            Thank you meldel,

            But the truth is…. I can’t bring myself to do that just yet. I want to stay afloat as much as possible and as long as possible on my own. It’s my stupid pride I think. It’s because I don’t want to walk out the door and hear people like JntRisinger whispering about how I’m one of those lazy people that are a burden to this country. And a part of me thinks that as long as I can, I should work for the things I want/need. I want to show my younger siblings that it’s not all for naught; that if we are willing to pull ourselves up by the bootstraps everyday, than maybe when we get to the end of the rainbow there’s a pot ‘o gold afterall. I just look forward to the day when the US can provide the Healthcare that I hear about from Canada and the UK. That’s all I want, the ability to go to the hospital without a worry about breaking the bank. With a good Healthcare system, my financial burdens would be slightly alleviated.

            HA!!! How optimistic I sound in public, while I silently curse the fates with utter bitterness in private. The irony, tsk!

          • msjoe42

            Hello Ani,

            Maybe JntRisinger thinks that if you want what she has listed like free: government housing, welfare, and food stamps you have to work for to get it.

            A Model of Partial Reform: The 1996 Welfare Reform Initiative

            In 1996, the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program was transformed from a cash welfare program into a jobs program known as Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). Recipients were required to perform at least 20โ€“30 hours per week of work or job preparation activities in exchange for the cash benefit.

            Overnight, welfare agencies became job placement offices, and people who had been trapped in poverty and dependence began seeking employment. Between 1996 and 2009, caseloads dropped from 4.5 million families to 1.7 million. As the reform went into effect, employment for disadvantaged single mothers increased dramatically.

            The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA) is a United States federal law considered to be a fundamental shift in both the method and goal of federal cash assistance to the poor. The bill added a workforce development component to welfare legislation, encouraging employment among the poor. The bill was a cornerstone of the Republican Contract with America and was introduced by Rep. E. Clay Shaw, Jr. (R-FL-22) who believed welfare was partly responsible for bringing immigrants to the United States.[1] Bill Clinton signed PRWORA into law on August 22, 1996, fulfilling his 1992 campaign promise to “end welfare as we have come to know it.”

            PRWORA instituted Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). which became effective July 1, 1997. TANF replaced Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program, which had been in effect since 1935 and supplanted the Job Opportunities and Basic Skills Training program (JOBS) of 1988. The law was heralded as a “reassertion of America’s work ethic” by the US Chamber of Commerce, largely in response to the bill’s workfare component. TANF was reauthorized in the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005.


    • 28.3 JntRisinger

      @ Shiku

      The Democrats keep saying that the poor don’t participate in the tax cuts and that they DO pay taxes via the payroll tax (ss/medicare). But the rats never mentiong the ‘Earned Income (tax) Credit’. After finding brochure on a left activist website on how to encourage people to sign-up for the program. It seems to me that not only do people that qualify under the table in the document pay very little, if any, income tax, they also pay very little if any payroll tax!

      Perhaps one of the most common myths (or lies, depending on how you look at at it), is the idea the โ€œrich donโ€™t pay their fair shareโ€. But is this true? Various groups drag out โ€œstudiesโ€ to prove their point, but are they correct? Instead of using biased โ€œstudiesโ€ (from any group), why not simply go to the source?

      Taxes paid by highest incomes
      โ€ข The top 1% pay 22.7% of taxes.
      โ€ข The top 10% pay 50% of taxes.
      โ€ข The top 20% pay 65.3% of taxes.
      โ€ข The top 40% pay 84.3% of taxes.
      Taxes paid by lowest incomes
      โ€ข The bottom 20% pay 1.1% of taxes.
      โ€ข The bottom 40% pay 6.1% of taxes.

      The bottom 40% pay about 6% of taxes, while the top 40% pay about 85% of taxes โ€” or about 14 times more than their counterparts in the lower brackets. But in light of the constant droning โ€œthe rich donโ€™t pay their fair share.โ€

      Progressive taxation is not inherently wrong, but taken too far itโ€™s socialist income redistribution, which is legalized theft. Asking one minority group to shoulder the burden almost exclusively is discrimination and unethical. Those blessed financially have an obligation to help others, but when the top 40% pay almost all the taxes, isnโ€™t that enough?

      Do the rich pay enough in taxes?
      Everyone has a stake in needs and functions of government, so everyone should pay. Once youโ€™ve removed huge sections of people from paying anything, what incentive do they have to demand controlled spending? None. After that, theyโ€™ll always vote for the candidate who gives them the most handouts โ€” after all, theyโ€™re not paying for it.

      Consider the following comment about democracy:
      It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. (This quote has been attributed to both Sir Alex Fraser Tytler and Alexis de Tocqueville.)

      Those of lower incomes don’t pay taxes.They don’t pay federal taxes but instead get EITC “refunds” (i.e. welfare payments.) Nor do they pay property taxes (especially if they are in federally- or state-subsidized housing) and they often pay little state tax as well.

      FYI: Middle Class–Not the Rich or the Poor–Pay Majority of Federal Taxes, Says CBO Data.

      This is POV.
      I will not write any more replies to this issue so there.

      Bedkee yertam hima

      • 28.3.1 Ani

        Below is a mix response from me and a friend. He has a better grasp of politics and economics than I do – although I’m more economics than he is:

        Well, my response is flat taxes. I think regardless of how much you earn you should just pay the same percentage. That’s what seems “fair” — Tax credits/tax incentives should still be given. It seems to be the most ‘fair’ thing.

        I always thought that everyone should be taxed at the same rate as long as they pay their taxes. No special favors. No getting out of it. Just pay the damn thing. I think incentives come into play when you’re benefiting the whole (1) green energy (2) buying a house during an economic down turn.

        …So like a flat 5% or 7%
        FICA already takes up a lot and that’s 7.5% right there.
        I think all of your taxes (excluding state taxes) should only amount to like 20% and end result is though – you can’t not have taxes. I’m sure there’s places to cut spending if people are more worried about that.

        My problem is not that “rich” people don’t pay taxes, but that enough of them evade taxes to the point of frustration. Even Thomas Sowell agrees that:

        If anything, โ€œthe richโ€ have far more options for putting their money beyond the reach of the tax collectors today than they had back in 1921. In addition to being able to put their money into tax-exempt securities, the rich today can easily send millions โ€” or billions โ€” of dollars to foreign countries, with the ease of electronic transfers in a globalized economy.In other words, the genuinely rich are likely to be the least harmed by high tax rates in the top brackets. People who are looking for jobs are likely to be the most harmed, because they cannot equally easily transfer themselves overseas to take the jobs that are being created there by American investments that are fleeing high tax rates at home.

        With things like this ( going on, you can’t say the top 40% pays the 84% of taxes in full. It’s hard to comment on some of what you say based on the fact that I don’t know which leftist site you’re referencing, but at the end of the day, this is also just…. my POV.

      • 28.3.2 JoAnne

        You are misrepresenting the numbers, I think, but probably not on purpose.

        By VOLUME, the rich may pay more. I do not believe that when it comes to the actual wallet that they give up as much as their less wealthy countrymen – looking at taxes paid as a percentage of income. And understand, also, that the more money you HAVE, the more likely you are to have deductions and exemptions and deferrals available to you.

        I do not own my home. I assure you that I pay far more than 6% in taxes – 20% or more – and I don’t get one penny back. Some times I even have to pay more. And those are real dollars – although if I looked at it from the viewpoint you were using earlier, I pay so little that it wouldn’t even show up as percentage of a percentage.

    • 28.4 msjoe42

      What I written is my POV at ( msjoe42 March 4th, 2012 at 11:03 pm).

      With this rant and/or rave going on….. I do not know if this will ever stop.

      War between Democrats and Republicans.

      Rich Class vs Poor Class.

      Middle Class stuck in the middle of it all.

      Who pays more taxes vs Who pays less taxes vs who pays no taxes.

      Who should get what for free. who should get nothing for free.

      What a vicious cycle.

  29. 29 cmrprindle

    Hey ya’ll…can I just say, chicken tikka masala with rice and black-eyed peas is surprisingly delicious? Either that or you can tell just how hungry I am ๐Ÿ˜€

    Happy Weekend, everyone! It’s been a decent week. I’m still short a boss, so I’ve been getting lots of other stuff done at work (yay!). I may or may not have infect Hot Spanish Guy, but I have plied him with cough drops. Of course, he’s such a health nut he didn’t use any until yesterday and was out today >.< Anywho, I hope he feels better soon. Few things are more fun than being sick over the weekend.

    Speaking of sick, how are all our recoverees doing? Between surgery, travel and new jobs/locations it's been a tumultuous few weeks for the Beaners, I think!

    No new dramas this week. The goal is to finish up Protect the Boss then start History of the Salaryman. Maybe. Possibly.

    We'll see.

    Shuk, I'm going to respond to your last comment in last week's thread there, if that makes sense, unless you want to bring it over this-away.

    • 29.1 cmrprindle

      Uh, Shuk, I will reply when I get home b/c I got sucked into the current OT and have run out of lunchtime O.O Sorry!

      • 29.1.1 Shukmeister

        ๐Ÿ™‚ No worries, Prindle! Now that you got me hungry for chicken on a meatless Friday…

        • cmrprindle

          Sorry. And it really was good. This is like when I’d be fasting and ppl would offer me things. Like they couldn’t wait a day to try to feed me? Apparently not. if it helps, I had cereal for dinner. ๐Ÿ™‚

          And reply, it is posted. Although now that it is, I hope it makes sense and comes across the way I meant it to. :s

    • 29.2 ahjummabunny

      miss prindle!
      Have a good weekend! I’ll come back a bit later but I’m trying to finish up tazza so my weekends can be for new dramas.

      • 29.2.1 cmrprindle

        Jumma Bunny Love! What is tazza, dear?

        • ajbny

          tazza is jang hyuk with nice coats, nice sunglasses, nice busan accent and lots and lots of gambling. I’m 3 minutes or so into the last episode.

          • cmrprindle

            Oooh, sounds pretty.

  30. 30 Minnetter (aka: Min)

    So happy to be on OT again!

    Here’s where I am on the K-Drama Front:

    So I’m still not completely done with Padam Padam- I’m kind of afraid- I’m working up my nerve to watch it.

    I’m currently watching TW drama Extravagant Challenge that stars Siwonnie and Donghae from SJ- I love the source material and it’s nice that drama follows it very well, but sometimes I wish they could change it up a bit since the source material is still not finished so whatever ending they give it will differ from it’s future ending.

    I’m watching Operation Proposal (I marathoned 6 episodes in one night = no sleep before school= passing out in the first break I got that day) , and since I haven’t seen the Japanese version I’m finding it so enjoyable and I keep reminding myself that the boys for the most part are even younger than my 22yr old little sister… However the one I’m most taken with is Mr. Perfect Jin Won and he’s an oppa to me yay! I think the drama is charming, but I find myself scolding Baek Ho, why is he such a wimp? How many chances does he need to actually reveal his feelings for Yi Seul… he keeps lamenting the fact that oh I didn’t do this or that specific thing, but I don’t think that’s why she didn’t choose him, it’s not because of a single detail, it’s the fact that overall (like Chanwook pointed out in ep 7) he’s hot and cold to Yi Seul, which confuses her and keeps her from regarding him as more than just bffs.

    I started watching Dream High 2, but since I didn’t really like the first one I clocked out of that one after the 4th episode, this one I didn’t even finish the first episode… guess it’s not for me.

    SUFBB- what a name, when I told my friends who are not initiated to korean dramas that I was watching this they gave a WTF face… lol… anyways, I’m still behind in this drama too, episode 4 still – actually it was hard for me to move on from Byung Hee’s death -I find myself still trying to cope with that.

    and then to change it up I’ve been watching on and off American shows (never reality shows I hate them like the mold that grows on a month old bread):

    1) Big Bang Theory- which has been my favourite show since it started airing, I guess my inner geek is tickled to death with it.

    2) Once Upon A Time- I love that Snow White is such a kick ass heroine in the fairytale world, though in the “real” world she’s a bit too meek for my liking.

    3) Happy Endings- well this one I’ve only watched 4-5 episodes but it’s been kind of fun crazy ride- I’ll probably watch it for a little longer

    4) MTV’s Awkward- somehow it reminds me a bit of the teenage shows I used to watch as a kid so it makes me a bit nostalgic.

    • 30.1 Raine

      I will come back to this Min-yah. I have to go! Bienvenido AMIGA!!

  31. 31 KStyle

    Happy OT Friday !!!

    How was everyone’s week.
    I had my last day of work yesterday YAY but boo now need to figure out what to do with my time until Korea( only two months away ^.^)

    I’m so ready for March! Can’t wait for these new shows to arrive YAY!

    Still in crack heaven with SU: FBB, OP and Skit Beat( it’s such a cute show, ah sarang) and catching up on sooo many Kmovies that I was unaware of. I do believe I’m due for a Kmovie marathon again ๐Ÿ™‚

    Special khamsanidas to Raine and Min aka

    • 31.1 Raine

      Aw, KStyle! Thanks for the shoutout! You rock!

    • 31.2 Minnetter (aka: Min)

      Same as Raine! thanks for the mention ๐Ÿ˜›

      oh wow I’m so jealous of your move to korea >_<, you've got to share stories!

  32. 32 KStyle

    Opps but any who continuing on

    Yea special thanks to y’all ( Raine and Min) both for having awesome blogspots and being too funny

    Everyone have a great weekend!!!

    OT Fridays are Daebak!!!

  33. 33 Raine

    Hello everyone!

    YAY OT!

    I’m on here and I REALLY shouldn’t be because today is ridiculously busy. But a true drama addict cannot ignore the call of OT.

    Stay tuned, I’m going to make a little audio recording (of me talking!) for OT ’cause Ricky TRH had a little request. I’m still thinking up the contents.

    Raine eomma: Is doing very well. She’s happy to be home and I have been her nurse. We’ve been getting along so well. Even when I’m cranky she doesn’t care ’cause I’m cranky at 6am or 2am, very understandable times.

    She did not have to have anymore surgery and all of her stats are normal and boring. We like normal and boring stats.

    As for the family, I think we’re still recovering from worrying and fussing and visiting.

    Speaking of: shout out to Shel! I haven’t forgotten your recording either! Hope you are getting much better with your favorite K-drama heroes and heroines by your side!

    On the blog front, I’m working on White Christmas which is a big project for me ’cause it’s my FAVORITE drama. ๐Ÿ˜€ MadDino and I are still collaborating and its so much fun!

    • 33.1 Shukmeister


      I’m glad everything has gone smoothly so far, and she heals quickly.

      What does she think of you being my Chinese connection? lol

    • 33.2 Minnetter (aka: Min)

      Raine Unnie! hey- glad your Eomma is back home and with normal boring stats!

      Of course us drama addicts can’t stand to miss on some k-drama lovin’ unless something major stops us.

    • 33.3 Shel

      Boring, normal stats is WONDERFUL. I’m glad she’s doing so well.

    • 33.4 cmrprindle

      Hurray! *hugs Raine Family* Glad your mom is doing so much better. I hope her recovery is swift and trouble free. ๐Ÿ˜€

    • 33.5 Jennifer

      Glad your mom’s ok and at home with the fam!

    • 33.6 ricky the royal highness

      Great to hear about your mom!

      How would your recording be? Will you sing or just talk?

  34. 34 Saima

    Can we talk about Big Bang’s comeback?!! Holy hell…totally lost it when watching Bad Boy. Am so pleased with their latest album….if they make it to Toronto for their world tour I CAN’ I’ll react!! So, jealous of k-VIPs who get to experience their fabulousness for 3 consecutive days….ahhhh!!

    So, yeah haven’t watched any dramas in the past month….ever since my love affair began with Big Bang!! <3

    • 34.1 cv

      I really like their song Blue. Bad boy isn’t bad either but I didn’t like the MV as much. ^^ Otherwise, I haven’t heard any of the other song except the teasers. I’m happy for them coming back so strong! Fighting Big Bang!

      Wish I could go to one of their concerts too! But I don’t really know anyone who likes kpop. None of my friends listens to Korean music except me. Kinda suks… since I’ve never been a big music person until Kpop. LOL

      • 34.1.1 Saima

        You didn’t like the Bad Boy MV, heh. Was it GD’s look? I thought he frickin’ had soo much swagger to pull off that ridiculous hair and looked totally a bad boy who would be unable to change his ways for his woman! I totallly loved it.

        If I attend it’ll most prolly be solo. HA!! But, i don’t care….as long as i get to attend their concert!! On YT I’ve seen videos of their past shows and lemme tell you those boise are performers! They totally work up the crowd..eeeeeep soo excited!!

        • cv

          Yea, I didn’t quite like the MV—but I like the song tho! ^^ When I watch it on YT, I’ll be doing something else while listening. heh

          Suks to go solo to a concert—group or another person is much better. I can do solo to a theater but with concerts, to me it’s just more hyped and fun with a few friends.
          Maybe one day I’ll be able to go. haha!

      • 34.1.2 kewbie

        I love Blue! Great song. I started going “awwwww” when I realized they filmed in Brooklyn. Making me nostalgic for home.

    • 34.2 JoseonPowerRangers

      The songs were great (cept love dust but Blue and Bad boy make up for it) but the Badboy MV was the lulziest weakest MV bigbang has ever come out with

      Its a normal afternoon on some NY street and G-dragon is walking like a zombie his cropped short except for a single lone long floppy hair extension waving in the wind

      From that point i just kept giggling until Taeyangs part and then i just lost it
      Young Bae WTH are you doing lay-ley-ley-ley-ley-dey *cue body waves*
      and the polka dot pants just seal the deal

      and then thers tabi who dgaf about lipsynching properly

      and Seungri who is the second coming of spock (but is the most normal looking badboy in the mv)

      Daesung remains flaw free

      • 34.2.1 JoseonPowerRangers

        hair* cropped short
        must learn how to proof read

      • 34.2.2 cv

        LOL… yeah… that is why i didn’t like it as much as their other past MVs. ^^

      • 34.2.3 Saima

        i loved it!! I have to say I am crushing on G-dragon soo hard that if he even wears a skirt i’ll exclaim that he’s a genius. oh wait, he’s already donned it whilst promoting Tonight, heh! His hair is hilarious, tho. Dae is just soo nom-able…i was like, pfffft Dae and a bad boy!! never gonna believe it. Both Dae n Seungri sounded soo good that I wished that they had more singing parts. Seungri barely had a lotta lines to sing in Blue as well. But, in the other 3 tracks he’s singing quite a bit so i guess it’s ok.

        btw, i have to say it those girls were the worst actresses everrr!! Either they weren’t given the proper cues on how to act but they were stiff, bewildered, & yeah let’s stop here!!

        Going with ur username (?) i’m guessing you’re awaiting Yoochun’s new drama w/ bated breath?!

        • JoseonPowerRangers

          Am i waiting for Rooftop Prince? Yes i am.

          “Dae is just soo nom-able”
          truer words have never been said
          I call dibs on the nom-able Dae so hands off ๐Ÿ˜€

          The girls were pretty random and not utilized properly, IA with that

          but at the end of the day its the music that matters most and I’ love the new songs so all is forgiven

    • 34.3 Leaf

      OMG I love Big Bang!!! Blue is awesome ๐Ÿ˜€

      • 34.3.1 JoAnne

        Blue is good but what I have on repeat lately is Daesung singing Baby Don’t Cry

        • Saima

          Unnie, is Daesung your fave?! i know that you really loved What’s Up. He was my fave but this darned talented kid called G-Dragon pushed his way into my heart. When I was YTing them I was like, “oh GD seems to have a lot of fangirls…wht do they ever see in him?!!” yeahhh, that’s me now! He’s the youngest person listed by Forbes Korea “40 under 40” in 2012.

          I think one of my favourite songs of theirs is Haru Haru (acoustic). You should watch this perf. of theirs:

          • JoAnne

            Saima, it depends on what kind of favorite you mean…I love TOP. I think he is funny and talented and incredibly sexy and I could watch him all day. And if I can’t watch him, I can listen to him talk. I had never noticed Daesung and wasn’t even a huge Big Bang fan prior to seeing him in What’s Up – I knew a couple songs, I knew he’d had that trouble last spring, I knew GDragon had smoked pot. But I really only knew those things because I was drooling over their brother TOP.

            Then I saw Daesung sing in What’s Up and I was completely blown away, plus either he or his character’s shyness/strength was a very appealing combo. So I started watching more Big Bang videos, and now I’d have to say they’re one of my favorites, and that I like and appreciate the talents of all the boys. I won’t ever go to a concert or probably even buy a CD but I do subscribe to their channel on YouTube.

          • Cynthia

            And let’s hope that Daesung keeps the new hair color! I think he looks fabulous.

          • JoAnne

            I do not like the peroxide hair, sadly. I loved him him with his pretty brown mop. I like TOP with the wierd hair but for the most part…I really just prefer the boys to leave their hair brown or black, whichever color it happens to normally be. I don’t like the frosting, I don’t like the bleaching, I don’t like the red. I know I’m in a minority and it doesn’t keep me from crushing on my sweeties…hey, I lived through the ’80s, I had a lot of bad hair myself.

          • Saima

            @ JoAnne: you’re right, TOP has the most delicious voices and i think i would be in freak mode if he were to stare/look at me in passing!! ๐Ÿ˜€ I do love all the members…i slightly do love GD n Dae more. I saw Dae in Family Outing and lemme tell you he’s soo charismatic, funny, dorky, and kind that it’s hard to overlook that guy!! Come to think of it: all of the boise are super talented, dorky, awkward, funny, & kind. I’ve never felt compelled to attend a concert ever before but they have converted me. ๐Ÿ˜€

            @ Cynthia: Hear, hear sistah! After adopting that hair colour it’s like he’s transformed into this uber-sexy person. It’s mind blowing, actually.

          • MJ

            I wonder if Daesung would look better if his hair color was ELECTRIC BLUE or Burgundy Black.

            Burgundy is a beautiful shade of bright red which has a tinge of rich brown color in it. .

  35. 35 Mumuchan

    Hi and happy friday to you all! I have a question to ask: I was wondering if anyone was watching Dream High 2. I’m conflicted about it because it seems to me that the storyline is very erratic and the scriptwriter really doesn’t know what he should do of the characters. At the end of an episode I just can’t figure out where the whole thing is headed and I find difficult to relate to the characters. I’m watching it because I’m always thinking: this is going somewhere, I just have to wait, and I was wondering if I were the only one to feel that way. What do you guys think?

    • 35.1 Mystisith

      Erratic. Completely. It’s like they are paving the road and walking on it at the same time. Since it’s a school drama, i suppose we will have a Big Music finale at the end, with our reluctant Super Idol. But i wouldn’t bet on anything else.
      What bugs me is that the kids either don’t seem to know why they are here. And can someone tell me what’s the role of JYP in this ? He is funny and all, but i can’t help thinking he’s just a “parasite” walking around. My feeling is that the writers have scenes in their minds but can’t find a way to stick them together.

      • 35.1.1 Mumuchan

        Completely agree. Sounds like they thought: we’re doing a sequel, we don’t know what story we are going to tell, but hey, we’ll figure out on the way. Actors seem at a loss at what and how to play because their characters are not properly designed. And can someone explain: who does JB actually love? It’s getting annoying:we don’t know, viewers don’t know, does the scriptwriter even know? As for JYP, he clearly has no role , he doesn’t even help the pupils to dance properly, I just don’t understand.

      • 35.1.2 zgznoona

        I couldn’t agree more with you two. I feel frustrated. I tell my self to try to watch it as some drama totally unrelated to DH and maybe that way I would be expecting less of it. But even doing that I get tired of how the story moves around like a chicken running around with his head cut off. We have crossed the drama’s equator and there is been zero character development or story development.
        JYP there just because he’s the producer and wants to be an actor.
        I wonder what’s crossing through the writers’ mind, to write such a messy drama

    • 35.2 Leaf

      Oh Dream High 2….

      Recently I think some of the story is quite interesting (Yoo-jin’s one is quite interesting as is Rians. The rest… meh) but the writing is TERRIBLE.

      So this is a drama added to my (long) list of ones I’m going to rewrite when I become an international famous writer.

      • 35.2.1 Mystisith

        Can i join the Dramabeans Scriptdoctors Foundation ?

        • Leaf

          It totally should be a proper group!!!

          Dramawriters should hire us!

  36. 36 momogi

    I can’t not share this, but I fell so hard in love because of John Park’s Falling. It’s just simple, sweet and soothe..

    • 36.1 Shel

      I downloaded the whole album off of iTunes. I love it.

  37. 37 60silverdollars

    So what was the verdict on Padam Padam? Is it good? I kinda want to watch it because I love Jung Woo Sung from The Good The Bad The Weird. He was my 2nd fav character after LBH.

    • 37.1 60silverdollars

      Also, I’ve watching a ton of korean movies lately. So far my favs have been I Saw the Devil and A Bittersweet Life. What should I watch next? I’ve been through every LBH movie I can find, and I’ve seen Oldboy.

      • 37.1.1 Jomo

        I love him, too!
        He was very good and young in Joint Security Area aka JSA.

        I watched an American interview him on the challenges of doing the GI Joe movie, and his answer was something like “learning how to act like you can’t act.” He said the director needed him to remember that he was playing a cartoon character, not a real person.
        Nothing subtle, no nuances. It makes me laugh that the non-Asian audience has NO CLUE how great an actor he really is.

        • Mystisith

          Poor korean actors. They are so mistreated in Hollywood. I just can”t understand why they are so persistent in trying to go there. They are obviously not welcome, and end being cast on Z movies, or for stupid stereotyped roles.
          Apart being far from homeland in order to be forgotten for a scandal (adultery, drug…), i don’t see why they try so much. Korea will conquer movie theaters and hearts of the audience with their own movies, stories and sensibility. Or either, what’s the point ?

          • 60silverdollars

            I think part of it, for me anyway, is the hope that Hollywood will finally relent in typecasting roles for Asian (and other minority) actors. GI Joe isn’t exactly the ideal Hollywood debut for LBH, but it seems as though people are slowly realizing his talent independent of his ethnicity.

            And as much as I would love for more Americans to see LBH (and other amazing actors) in movies from their own countries, there are always those who refuse to sit through a movie reading subtitles.

          • JoAnne

            It’s funny, 60silverdollars – I’ve always wondered about the subtitling thing, why people are so against it. For me it’s just another way to watch, no biggie…but my daughter and I talked about it the other day, and she finally was able to explain beyond saying ‘I don’t want to watch subtitles’. For her – and I’d assume for a lot of other people – it’s too confusing. They get engrossed in watching, and they miss the reading, or vice versa. Maybe those of us who don’t mind subtitles read differently. I tend to see the sentence as a picture at the bottom, I’m not actually taking in word for word but seeing it all at once so it’s truly a millisecond of time…I’m generally not even conscious of having looked away from the ‘action’. How is it for the rest of you?

          • Shukmeister

            My very first subtitled movie was Women On the Edge Of A Nervous Breakdown, a spanish film from 1988 that was Oscar-nominated, so I’ve watched my fair share down through the years.

            Subtitles and supertitles (at my local opera house), have never bothered me. Watching both raw and s/t’d asian drama makes me realize I only miss a small part of the nuances of face and body language. So, no big deal to me.

          • shel

            Subtitles never bothered me, but I always assumed it’s because Im a really fast reader. We watch Italian movies all the time (hubby speaks Italian) and he loves the “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon” type of movies, so we’ve several of those. I can’t do complicated things while I watch, like I can American tv, but I can knit and sort mail, etc and still know what’s going on.

          • jomo

            My family grew up going to non-english films at the Art House cinema in our neighborhood.
            Mostly they showed the Oscar winners or nominees.

            My non-scholarly brother said he loved watching films like “My Life as a Dog” because halfway through you don’t even realize that you’re reading. You think “Wow, I can’t believe I can understand Swedish!”

            We high schoolers liked the foreign films because we were always hoping there would be nudity. That was before cable!

        • 60silverdollars

          That’s kind of what kills me about him in GI Joe. He’s such an incredible talent, but it’s hard to see through the over-the-top villainy that the movie calls for.

          But I’m not going to complain too, too much if I get to see shirtless LBH on a big screen near me.

    • 37.2 Jomo

      I enjoyed most of time with Padam Padam. It has some weaknesses in the middle – 17/18/19, as in useless spinning of noble sacrifice wheels – but it has heart, the leads are really good together and I cried my eyes out. JWS manhandles his women really well. You just melt watching him touch her.

      LBH’s Storm Shadow -the man in the white pants – is the only reason to watch G.I. Joe 1 or 2!
      I read that his English improved so much they expanded his role in the second film. That, and the fact that ALL of Asia plans on seeing it because of him.

      • 37.2.1 60silverdollars

        Hell, I plan on seeing GI Joe 2 because of him. The man is sex on a stick with the charisma that any politician would kill to have.

    • 37.3 Hillary

      I loved Padam Padam. I would recommend it to anyone.

      • 37.3.1 cmrprindle

        Also high on my list of things to watch. Thanks for reminding me, Hillary ๐Ÿ™‚

        How do? How is your drama-addict-in-training? ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • Hillary

          @cmrprindle: Hanging in there … stressed and overworked but that is not new.

          My little kdrama addict in training is still watching over my shoulders and finding her own korean “video games” on my iphone… LOL.

          My foster daughter came home for 1 week vacation. She is in Navy and scheduled for a 7-10 month trip starting next week. She is terrified because their ship is the next ship scheduled to pass through the Straits of Hormuz. Dropping her off at airport this morning was heartbreaking. She did not want to get out of the car. And her tears started welling up when she could not put it off any more. I don’t think Iran is crazy enough to fire but you never know. Praying for her safe return.

          • cmrprindle

            I will certainly add her to my prayers! That is scary for sure.

  38. 38 Amg1

    *A question of faith*

    At the end of the day it becomes a matter of faith, if one chooses to believe in God or not. To claim to be offended by a notion or a belief in God, is as offensive to a believer, when it hears the cries and insults, utter by the so call scores of ‘man and woman of reasonโ€, who so ardently deny the existences of one.

    I find it most peculiar, when at times I as a person not of one particular faith, but as a believer of many faiths, gets criticize and bully here in this blog, under the pretension of โ€œAtheist Dogmaโ€, since from where I came from, I consider atheism just another form of โ€œreligion,โ€ say what you want, but any form that consider to explains the mysteryโ€™s, of the universe trough means of science, or faith in God, the are both religions at the end of the day, it is not a matter of Faith, but a matter upon whom or what we put our faith in.

    I can debate most of you upon the deep sentiments of religion, or the latest findings that scientist have done concerning the starts in the heavens, to take the theory of โ€œEvolutionโ€, and all its ramifications at face value, requires more faith in something that has nor been proven, than in the belief that a God exist.

    Korean, and most Asian dramas that I have seen contain one or more elements of religion, God, or the belief in the spiritual realm, dramas like 49days, My Girlfriend Is A Gumiho, Secret Garden, The Moon That Embraces The Sun, just to name a few, deal with the supernatural, and elements of a religious nature, so why the so call atheist in this forum do not get offended and raise a fuss about it? It seems to me to be hypocritical in their part, as with most secular atheist, they always want to have their cake and eat it too.

    I am no a shame, nor I deny that I have a belief in a God, and I dare to say that most people who read this blog, have a religious background, so when all this people post that they are offended by me asking to take a moment to โ€œPrayโ€, for the Korean people, in a round about, you guys have offended the majority of people that visits this blog.

    And again I will ask of you to Pray for the Korean people that the problem of suicide may brought down, and for the people who do not believe in God, instead of give me a hard time, do something in your own way to help your fellow man, I do not think that is to much to ask.

    P.S. I have been a reader of Dramabeans six months after she started her blog, and the โ€œOpen Threadโ€ is the right place to post my rant and rave, one last thing, if you disagree with what I wrote feel free to ignore my post…. Amg1

    • 38.1 Leaf

      “Korean, and most Asian dramas that I have seen contain one or more elements of religion, God, or the belief in the spiritual realm, dramas like 49days, My Girlfriend Is A Gumiho, Secret Garden, The Moon That Embraces The Sun, just to name a few, deal with the supernatural, and elements of a religious nature, so why the so call atheist in this forum do not get offended and raise a fuss about it? It seems to me to be hypocritical in their part, as with most secular atheist, they always want to have their cake and eat it too.”

      Uhh… well no. It is different. One) Those are fantasy and not real. However I believe most religious people would get annoyed if I said that their god was a fantasy.
      2) Religion requires you to do things. Reading a fantasy book does not.
      3) Religion has caused people to be condemed and prosecuted. Even killed (lots of times). Fantasy does not kill people.

      And seeing as you said if I didn’t like your post I should ignore it I will. However that bit I feel definately needed correcting as it is so blatantly wrong.
      And I know in OT people can talk about anything but surely a K drama site is not the best place…
      We talk about K dramas here… and things related to K dramas.

      • 38.1.1 Amg1

        The fact that you answer my post, while being offended by it, shows that you do want to prove a point, but your total ignorance upon Korean “Shamanistic religions,” while you may think that the elements that those dramas used in their shows, are pure “Fantasy”, they are rooted in the shamanistic religions that dated back thousands of years.

        I also want to remind you in the event you have forgotten, that the murder of millions of people in Russia, China, North Korea, Vietnam, where done under the “Secular Communist Dogma”, that is base in human reason and not in the existence of A God.

        So while you like to blame religion for all the ills in this world, you selectively chooses to ignore the whole facts of human behavior, as seen in the history of this world, making you a hypocrite, and an a secular atheist bigot.

        I did not meant to offend you! But if you want to play with the “big boys”, your bound to get your feelings bruise!!!!

        • Leaf


          Anyway about one of your points… about the Korean Shamanism. That is placed in a fantasy novel, there is no pretence that it is real outside the book/tv show. Just because it’s religion doesn’t make it any different from spells and magical creatures. They are both fantasy.

          And yes, I agree millions of people have been killed for reasons other then religion. I don’t really see what that has to do with it.

          And I am going to stop now. I can see that you don’t want to listen to another point of view.

          • Shukmeister

            Leaf –

            For the record, I’m a deeply religious Catholic. Also, for the record, I believe Amg1’s entry is entirely inappropriate for this space. So let’s leave him bathed in the low-wattage glow of his own self-aggrandisement, and go have a pint of cider at the pub of your choosing. I’ll buy the first round.

          • Amg1


            “about the Korean Shamanism. That is placed in a fantasy novel, there is no pretence that it is real outside the book/tv show. Just because itโ€™s religion doesnโ€™t make it any different from spells and magical creatures. They are both fantasy”.

            To your misfortune again, I want to point out that what you call “just religion, and spells, and magical creatures”, while you do not believe in those things, many a millions of people do, but the fact that you claim offense, at the fact that I subscribe to the practice of “Prayer”, I have never claim offense to the fact that you do not believe in God, you have the right to believe or not what ever you want, but I must remind you, that some of the most intolerant and murderous man in modern times where not religious.

            Chairman Mao,Kim Il-sung, Lenin, Pol Pot, Tito, Franco, and the list goes on…..

            All I am trying to say that at the end of the day only 4% of the whole world do not have a belief in God, so when I mention the word prayer, 96% of the people will not be offended. But in your case I want to personally apologize to you, since I had no intention to offend any one who do not believe in God!!!!

          • Leaf

            My family is Catholic as well and I have no problem with people being religious! <3

            You mistake me. I merely take offense at your asking other people to pray. I have no problem with you praying.

            I also have a problem with people claiming that religion somehow makes them better people and getting dragged into arguements I really shouldn't get into. ^sigh^

            So once again I will stop unless you misunderstand something I say.

          • Leaf

            Ah… that didn’t come out quite right.
            Generally I have no problem with people asking others to pray (although personally I’ve never seen that happen). I do have a problem when it is done in a large official way (such as in a political event etc etc) like it sometimes is in the US (and was the first thing that came to my mind and is too blame if I came over a bit harsh, sorry).

            Another thing I should explain is that I’m british. And religion really isn’t a big thing here. Hardly anyone ever goes to church and religion is not in taken into account ever. While many say they are religious almost none of them actually believe in god but merely say they are because their Parents are and they never thought about it too deeply.

        • Sethe

          Your paranoia/persecution fantasies are showing ๐Ÿ™‚

          I don’t see where anyone said that religion is to blame for all the ills in the world. Murder, war, and genocide happen for many reasons. They often have to do with religion (Crusades, Inquisition, Holocaust), but often have to do with other things, like race or ethnicity or politics. Religious beliefs are to blame for many problems, pains, and ills over the course of human history — and any rational person will acknowledge that — but certainly not for all of them (which any rational person will also acknowledge).

          • Sethe

            To be clear, what I am saying is that you are reacting as if everyone on this site is attacking your religion, your religious beliefs, and religion in general, but I really do not see how that is the case — individuals are reacting to particular, specific things you said, and expressing their opinions about those things, and that’s all.

            Perhaps it wasn’t kind of me to say that you’re paranoid and have persecution fantasies, so I will apologize for that, but the above is what I meant by those words.

    • 38.2 Carinne

      My heart drops to the abyss of the ocean when I cross news humans inflict hurt on themselves.

      I hope all those who felt personally hurt in this whirlwind find wisdom close-by to guide them out in the clear. They say there is no better guardian than the ones in arm’s reach.

      I gave blood a few days ago. I hope it comes to great use and somewhere out there three lives are being saved so their loved ones stop crying threatened by lose.

    • 38.3 Shiku

      I did not take part in the religion discussion but if you want to pray for a particular reason you can as no one will stop you. Even if some people were offended at least your heart was in the right place.

    • 38.4 Mystisith

      A question of faith :
      If God exists, will i destroy him by saying i don’t have faith in him ? Can’t “he” handle this situation ?
      If he doesn’t exist, will i create him by having faith in him ?
      I don’t believe in faith, i believe in human heart : Mine and the one who’s beating in everyone’s chest. You can feel it, and you know it’s there. It’s solid and you can count on it.
      Some things are, and some things aren’t. Some things we know and some are unknowable.

      Choosing to believe :
      I’m not sure we can choose our religious inclination. And i don’t believe either in conversion. It’s something you feel in your guts, the result of a patient searching, and it’s different for everyone. It’s like falling in love with a person or admiring a painting. Choosing is intellectual, and ideas are not the higher form of human achievement.
      I don’t believe in a God of any kind, for the simple fact than calling what we don’t know by a name (God, Allah, Force, Light or whatever) is like encaging and limiting that superior “something”.
      Amg1, I may be wrong, but i don’t think commenters in previous OT said explicitly they were atheists. For my part, i’m agnostic : I believe in something, but it’s a private matter and i don’t need to reassure myself by wearing external signs or expressing it publicly. I “chose” to be free in my relationship with that something.

      Why atheist people should feel offended by religion and spirituality in dramas ? It’s only dramas precisely. It’s not real life (even if i wish it were sometimes), let’s hope everyone is clear about that.

      Atheism can be considered as a religion which negates Gods of any kind. And of course, religious institutions don’t like them very much since they can’t control them. Question : If believers are sure in their hearts, that they have the right answer to the Big Mystery of the Universe, why do those people feel threatened by those who have other convictions ? Why not simply enjoying that condition of enlightment and that gift ? And why not letting those who have questions coming to join them willingly on their quest ?

      No one should be ashamed of what he or she is. But no one either should fear reasonable criticism.

      Evolution is a fact.

      ************If anyone felt offended by the replies i gave to Amg1 on previous Open Thread, or here, please feel free to tell me how and why, i promise to consider it**********

      I’m not very much into praying, and anyway if it’s not sincere it doesn’t count, isn’t it ? But i will join you by sending “good vibes” of my own to all those who face the question of suicide in their present life. And i hope that no one among the DB readers has that kind of suicidal thought for himself. May she/he be Korean or from another country.

      If that’s the case, here i hold a hand and offer some friendly support. Just and simply that.

      • 38.4.1 cv

        I must have missed the religion part in the last OT.

        *my two cents*

        Everyone has a right to their own opinions/thoughts/believes and or religion as long as that idea is not pushed/forced into others faces, than all should be fine. It’s only when those that go to the extreme that things get out of control.

    • 38.5 Arishia

      My simple answer is that my parents taught me to avoid discussing politics and/or religion in groups, unless one or both of those topics is the reason for the gathering. Just a bit of empirical wisdom from the elders. Works for me.

      • 38.5.1 Shukmeister

        Nice one!

      • 38.5.2 Leaf

        Fantastic advice!! ๐Ÿ˜€

      • 38.5.3 Mystisith

        OK with that.

      • 38.5.4 Hillary

        I am totally with you on this.

    • 38.6 JoAnne

      I see where you can try to relate your posting to the purpose of the OT, which is KDramas and movies and all things related – and we certainly move pretty far afield, so we have no leg to stand on as far as THAT goes.

      But you HAVE been told repeatedly that this subject is unwelcome and makes people uncomfortable because – while there are many people here who have deeply felt and strictly held beliefs – most feel that proselytizing is inappropriate in this venue, if not all venues.

      I don’t fault your beliefs or your desires. I do fault your skill at picking an audience. Simply put – you need to find people who are interested in hearing what you have to say about this. I do not believe those people are here.

      • 38.6.1 Amg1


        “But you HAVE been told repeatedly that this subject is unwelcome and makes people uncomfortable because โ€“ while there are many people here who have deeply felt and strictly held beliefs โ€“ most feel that proselytizing is inappropriate in this venue, if not all venues”.

        I do not take kindly the fact you have just accused me of ” proselytizing”.

        1- If the fact that I asked people in this blog to pray for the Korean people, makes people like you feel uncomfortable, and I an unwelcome guest, than all I can say is that if you guys are the most “reasonable, understanding, unbiased, non judgmental, bunch in this blog, i will be very afraid to encounter, the real intolerant among you.

        2- While you claim to be open minded, progressive, and accepting of all people, I am being treated like a common vermin, just because I dare to mention the religious context of K-Dramas against the modern reality of their culture.

        3- That behavior do not said much about me, but it clearly shows volumes about you guy’s attitudes. If the mere mention of God, or religion is enough to put your peace of mind in jeopardy, than all I can say is that Dramabeans has been kidnap by a bunch of sift skin individuals, that the mere word of prayer sends them running into a panic.

        4- For the 100th time I will said this, I personally “hate religion”, there is no more people that I dislike than those that have highjack the concept of “God”, in order to abuse, killed, and destroy their fellow man, ” I am not a religious man, I do not promote any religion, I hate Secular Humanism, the only concept that I have ever dare to promote is to be peaceful (non violent), and to treat each other with compassion and love.

        But there is something that does not scares me or insults me, and that is people who do not believe in God, since I personally have more in common with them, than people who claim to have all the answers.

        P.S. This is Java Beans Blog, if she thought that my post where so offensive to the rest of her audience, she would have ban me a long time ago…..The reality is that unlike you, she is not afraid about the word, God, Prayer, or Religion………and for that matter a bunch of other subjects!!!!

        • JoAnne

          No one said you weren’t welcome, and no one has been rude to you. You have been told that your subject matter is unwelcome in the politest ways possible for several weeks now. From my view point, that makes you the rude one, here.

          I have no problems engaging in conversations about God, religion, prayer, what have you. I think you’ll see, if you go back and look, that we often offer our prayers to those who are struggling. But we don’t actually conduct the prayer HERE, nor do we write essays about our beliefs. This is not an appropriate forum.

          Yes, it’s JB’s blog. If she wants to say something, she will. If she wants to say something to us for asking you to please stop your rude behavior, she will. If she says nothing, then the people here will continue to act as they think appropriate. In this case, while the majority have been silent, several people have said that you make them uncomfortable. Common decency would demand that you stop. Since you don’t, rather than just skipping your posts, I have added my voice in support to theirs.

          Perhaps I’m wrong. Perhaps there’s someone here who is silent, but welcomes your posts. Those who don’t are free to ignore, and no harm done. Perhaps my post is offensive to someone who welcomes yours. I don’t know, if they don’t say. But if someone – other than you – did speak up to defend your right to do this and criticize me for my stand, then I would stop. Because I am not rude, and because if I offend someone – as you have – I apologize and then try to stop being offensive.

        • ajbny

          excuse me,
          no one is treating you like vermin. they’re even asking you to be considerate of others. it’s common etiquette to not talk about politics or religion. We broach touchy subjects here it’s true but if someone ever said that’s too much for me, no more please, we certainly would stop. someone has said that about your posts. and it’s impossible for a christian not to proselytize since it is a religion that is supposed to be open to all people.

    • 38.7 ajbny

      the open thread is for rants and raves but it is a community thread. please try to respect the community.

    • 38.8 kupllar2003

      If one does not have a religion is he or she consider to be a heathen.

      Definition of a Heathen:an unconverted individual of a people that do not acknowledge the God of the Bible; a person who is neither a Jew, Christian, nor Muslim; pagan.

      PAGAN, though applied to any of the peoples not worshiping according to the three religions mentioned above

      Is there any reason why Christianity seems to be the biggest target of opposition while systems of belief such as Islam, Buddhism, Wiccan, and others are virtually ignored by Atheist opposition? Or is this simply a European and American phenomenon, and is there similar Atheistic opposition in other societies against other religions, such as against Hinduism in India, Shinto in Japan, or Buddhism in China? Or is it simply that the European-based societies tend to have a greater freedom of speech, and thus Atheist sentiment can be expressed more fully?

  39. 39 KStyle

    @Saima I’m totally with you on this
    Love love love Big Bang,ive been driving my coworkers crazy with BigBang updates like daily, they know I’m a VIP and still love me ^.^

    I’m still waiting to hear when they are headed to the States cuz clearly I need to see them in concert. Love me some Fantastic Baby, Bad Boy and Blue, aww they just keep getting better and better.

    • 39.1 Carinne

      On board with ya. BB’s new mini-album is really good. Teddy never stops to amaze me with his genius, and GD, well, he is so damn cool.

      I am jumping joy knowing the boys are making a stop in L.A. for this tour.

      • 39.1.1 Saima

        Some ppl have really liked the album, some think that they should’ve hit harder, & some are like they should’ve gone back to their hip-hop roots. Kinda frustrates me! I think they’re awesome esp GD–he composes, writes beautifully, can sing, rap. So talented and not to forget humble and kind to his dongsaengs!!

        I read on bigbangupdates that this year they did not do a parody, were less interactive w/ the crowd….so mixed reviews from k-VIPs!! but nonetheless if I get to attend their concert omigoshhhh yeah will totally lose it!!

      • 39.1.2 Saima

        btw, have they announced atleast the locations?! well, in the US it’s safe to say they’ll be coming to NYC n LA!

      • 39.1.3 Leaf

        I am so hoping they come to the UK!!!
        If they do it will be the greatest day of my life so far <3

        • Saima

          in my sleep i can tell you they’ll for sure be going to the UK!! heh

  40. 40 Carinne

    TGIF Peeps!

    Has anyone bother to notice how when the two Hwon’s clashed (in MoonSun) that YJG’s face got a little rounder for Winter? It was a powerful performance from YJG, but that was something I noticed right away even before the tease flashback between the young Princess, young Yeom, and young Crown Prince.

    I can’t believe it hailed earlier in the week for me in my neck of the woods. So rare in So.Cal. Rain is very romantic for me. I am displease with every Summer. ^ , ^”

    Feel like sharing an epilogue track song 1m31s long. The male group’s voice is soothing. Can’t help but think of A Millionaire’s First Love listening to this. Drowning in bittersweet sorrow at the moment.

    +=- (Yeah, what a title huh?) by Wanted

    Keeping up with Kdramas and Jdoramas whilst Cdramas slip to catch my attention. Not even Skip Beat! live action does anything for me but make me miss the anime even more.

    I am still waiting for Chilling Romance to release, meanwhile I’ve been watching a few Vietnamese films like Cรด Dรขu ฤแบกi Chiแบฟn | Battle of the Brides done in superb cinematography, the plot is one groom and how many brides-to-be wanting to steal him away(?), and another good film called Hot Boy Nแป•i Loแบกn | Lost In Paradise which has been getting a lot buzz in Europe for its racy gay plot however there is another story running parallel in this film about a mute guy in love with a street prostitute raising a duckling which was very emotional for me. This male actor playing the mute guy recently lost his famous actress mom, there was a huge funeral done for her in Vietnam and everything, and this role pretty much stamps his first riveting role independent from his mother’s overshadowed fame.

    I hope you’ll find my movie recommendations entertaining to your liking. They are avail with Eng subs.

    • 40.1 redfox

      I desperately want to watch Chilling Romance, it sounds a little like Pushing Daisies or Beetlejuice and from the clips I have seen it looks quite witty

      • 40.1.1 JoAnne

        I am waiting for this one very impatiently as well. Can’t find it ANYWHERE.

      • 40.1.2 Dorotka

        Oh, I want to see that one as well… Lee Min Ki…. oh…. and the plot may be interesting as well ^^

        Anyone watched “Late Autumn”? Can’t find it anywhere….

        • Carinne

          Hyun Bin’s Late Autumn is late indeed releasing. I want to watch this movie too.

          Anyone got any news update of him in the Marines? I wonder which shows he’s chasing on camp.

  41. 41 mems

    Does anyone know which drama this gif is from?

    …because, yes, I’ve reached that point of obsession. LOL

    • 41.1 Shukmeister

      No clue, but good luck!

    • 41.2 Carinne

      Is the guy a Chinese actor?

      • 41.2.1 mems

        Yeah, I think so – maybe Wallace Huo, but I’m not sure because I haven’t seen him in anything.

  42. 42 Noelle

    Happy OT everyone.

  43. 43 msjoe42

    Hello again Readers:

    I just spotted under the heading [Newly Added Movies] at Mr. Idol (Korean Movie) with English Subs โ€“ Date Added: February 19th, 2012 โ€“ is out at

    Korean Cast: Ji Hyun Woo, Park Ye Jin, Lim Won-Hie

    Synopsis: Music executive Goo-Joo (Park Ye-Jin) left South Korea 3 years ago after the death of vocalist for idol band Mr. Children. She now returns to South Korea. At the airport her suitcase is lost. Goo-Joo’s suitcase is mistakenly taken by travel guide assistant Yoo-Jin (Ji Hyun-Woo). Goo-Joo is offered a job by Hee-Moon (Kim Su-Ro) who runs top talent agency Star Music. She turns the offer down and instead seeks out the remaining members of Mr. Children to reform the group. Hyun-Yi, Jio and Ricky all gather together again but they need a lead singer. Goo-Joo decides to hold an open audition to find the next vocalist for Mr. Children. Meanwhile, Goo-Joo calls her cellphone, which was in her suitcase, and talks with travel guide assistant Yoo-Jin. They make an arrangement so Goo-Joo can pick up her suitcase and phone. In the past, Yoo-Jin trained with a band for talent agency Star Music, but the group was kicked out from Star Music. He now works several part-time jobs and at night plays with an indie band in a bar. One day, the owner of the bar asks the band to take part in the audition held by Goo-Joo. At the audition Yoo-Jin and Goo-Joo are both surprised to see each other again. Yoo-Jin’s band performs, but Goo-Joo asks to hear just Yoo-Jin. He refuses to perform alone and leaves the audition with his band. Later that day Yoo-Jin’s band, seeing no hope for their careers, decides to disband. Music executive Goo-Joo still hasn’t given up hope on Yoo-Jin and follows him around daily, hoping to persuade him to front Mr. Children ….

    Link to Mr. Idol at

    • 43.1 msjoe42


      Did a search word: Mr. Idol at and at the search results for mr. idol are: yes these 2 websites have Mr. Idol listed.

      Mr. Idol at link:

      Mr. Idol at

      • 43.1.1 Shiku

        Thanks for the links but I found Mr. Idol to be one very boring and predictable movie.

  44. 44 canxi

    Hi guys! I started and finished up watching Wild Romance this week. Here’s my take on it. Even though I’m late T__T Sorry Sorry.
    This is pretty much me defending the drama after someone gave it a bad review & saying a plot was nonexistent. I really didn’t think it was bad, at all.

    Hmm, I disagree. I think the thing that gets in the way of the drama is the misleading title that makes this seem it’ll be full of a lot more romance and crazy than it actually is. So people go in with those hopes and come out dissapointed. I liked the subtle approach to their love story though. It’s not in your face and angsty but you can tell (or at least I could) that Eun Jae & Mu Yeol were falling for each other, like that surprise moment when you realize you like your friend. It just happens, but sometimes you don’t pay attention to WHEN. I would say it started a lot earlier than the last 2 episodes though. Some love stories are slow and awkward much like this one, so I thought that was cute to watch. The fact that they portrayed two types of this kind of relationship was also nice.

    I thought Lee Si Young was adorable as a tomboy, she stayed true to her character and she made me feel what she was feeling. I think my favorite moments are when she’s posing for cell phone pictures and she does these wide-eyed aegyo poses. You know she’s just trying to be cute but it comes out so awkward and ridiculous, which is a great summary of her character, who’s shining moments all happen when she’s just being herself. Lee Dong Wook does a good job here too, I actually think he does a good job with all the roles he’s tackled so far. I think he’s great and always improving. I also loved their chemistry–for example they both have really obnoxious laughter and laughs when the other laughs. That’s just so natural and sweet to me.

    The thing that gets odd is round the middle where Jessica comes in. First of all, Jessica’s acting was OK. She wasn’t bad…but, she wasn’t good either. Actually her performance was shallow, where it was all pretty but ultimately nothing there. Her presence didn’t matter much to me. But her character introduces all the psychological themes in this show (the odd part). It’s odd because all this stuff–mental disorders, personality issues, stalkers who REALLY need help etc. pops up in the middle of a rom/com. Things like that just don’t pop up in genres like this, yet it did! And it worked for me. It gives an explanation for character actions and builds up a little history for them.

    The plot was there though– a superficial bodyguard/celebrity relationship becomes real when they find out the celebrity has a stalker but in the midst of all this they start to develop feelings for each other. This all gets threatened as the celebrity’s ex comes back to town and the stalker gets consistanly more active. Ta dah. Pretty simple and in your face.

    Everything is really subtle, but I enjoyed it all. I also thought the end was super cute. If I had to rate it out of 10, I’d give it an 8 ๐Ÿ™‚

    Well that was long. Gonna go now =__= Have good Fridays!

    • 44.1 Cynthia

      Glad you enjoyed WR. The one point you made in reference to Jessica’s ‘acting’ was one I’ll have to disagree with. You thought her acting was OK? I thought her acting was beyond awful. She was practically catatonic throughout, dead-eyed and expressionless – and that was when she was portraying being happy. Honestly, she needs to stick to line-dancing and wearing those tiaras that SNSD recently adopted from their ‘Boys’ new look. She’s sweet and pretty, but comes off as clueless. Acting classes are needed. Big time.

      • 44.1.1 canxi

        Hahaha, no no I agree with you Cynthia! I was just being nice because I didn’t want to upset any Jessica fans. I do NOT want to get into a war with Jessica fans. They are convinced she can do no bad. Hence “it wasn’t bad…but it wasn’t good”, LOL.

        And yeah, her acting was kind of like watching paint dry. Oil paint. Which doesn’t dry…

        Also–did SNSD really start wearing tiaras? Ughh, everytime I see them and their matching outfits I want to facepalm.

        • Cynthia

          You can be ‘brave’ here – avoiding stating your true opinion about an actor’s skill level, regardless of raising the ire of their fans, is an okay thing to do. As long as it’s well thought out and polite, it’s all good.
          Heck, I’m the prime survivor of the GHS wars – so I know what can happen when the gong is sounded in the FanGirl Cave!

          As for the tiara craze – yeah. Blame it on SNSD. Now it’s the thing to do. Just make sure you put yours on mandatory off-center, okay? Mine is. ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Cynthia

            Sorry – should read ‘not an okay thing to do’
            My bad…

          • Shukmeister

            You can’t not fail to avoid double negatives, Cynthia.

    • 44.2 momosa

      Hi! I enjoyed WR thoroughly, would have rate it 9/10 if not for ex-love staying too long. I’m rewatching and was laughing all over again from Ep. 1. The story is believable to me, love the baseball theme and the characters that comes with it, whether they have issues/baggage or just normal.

      Thanks for appreciating WR.

      • 44.2.1 canxi

        Hii momosa!

        Yeah, I know. I’m really missing it right now, hahaha. I also liked the baseball theme and how they had a baseball term for each episode–that was really different and cool. & Jessica really did stay too long. It felt like a really boring and extended cameo instead of an actual character. I think 2 episodes (near the end so they could keep that whole kidnapping-drowning switcharoo) would have been fine then she could’ve gone back to England.

  45. 45 Ivoire

    Happy OT everyone,

    I am almost all moved out. I just have a few things to pick up at my last place this afternoon, yay!!!
    I love the new place, it’s quiet, cute, well designed and I am there alone 11 days out of 14( the woman who rents the apartment is here every other weekend). Granted, it ‘s only for a month, but I will take it. It is also less cold indoors here than where I lived before. I am looking forward to some quiet times and visiting the neighborhood. As you can imagine, I am sore, my feet hurt, and I am sleepy because I have been running on very little sleep for the last 10 days or so but it was worth it.
    Now I have to unpack, haven’t done that yet and guess what? I get to do it all over again in a month, though this time I will be moving with less things (a few less, I have a lot of food, I am not sure I will finish it all by then, you know can goods… ).

    How is everyone doing? Oh, and I am currently not watching any K-dramas. I am also staying away from those, because I would not be able to finish them. I just read the K-news every so often on DB and check an episode recap here and there.

    • 45.1 Shel

      I’m glad you found somewhere to go. I hate, hate HATE moving. I’m hoping I don’t ever have to do it again. However, the high cost of living here has us about resigned to the fact that we can’t live here retired, we have to be working. Unless I have a rich uncle somewhere that I don’t know about who will leave everything to me. :0) Just about as likely as winning the lottery when i don’t buy lottery tickets. The chance of winning is only SLIGHTLY less than those who do, and i get to keep my $1. :0)

      OK, that was rambling……

      • 45.1.1 jomo

        I am with you on that, sistah.
        I like moving like I like sticking sharp things in my eyes.

      • 45.1.2 trixicopper

        You mean you have to buy tickets to win the lottery? No wonder I never win! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • 45.2 Mystisith

      Hello Ivoire, nice to see that you like your new home sweet home !
      I once had to do 2 movings within 3 weeks, so i KNOW about the resulting physical and mental fatigue. Enjoy the quietness and the comfort and recharge the batteries.

    • 45.3 Shukmeister


      Glad you made it back before I closed OT for the afternoon to fetch some sustenance. I’m making decisions on my living arrangments as well, to be completed by the middle of April.

      Brief synopsis:
      Shiku was first, followed by Cynthia.
      Raine’s mom is doing well.
      Shel is healing nicely and much faster than expected.
      Most everyone is discussing the endgame for various KDramas, and their schoolwork.
      There’s a lot of foodtalk going on.
      Big Bang’s comeback is a popular discussion on the thread.
      Ricky popped in briefly to say hi. So did CMRPrindle.
      Jomo left a pretty nifty poem.
      Cherkell’s work has gotten busy.
      And I’m still typing away at the fan-fic, and you are the main point of Chapter 19.

      Have a good one!

    • 45.4 Carinne

      I dislike packing things up to move, all I care for is unpacking and put things where I want them anew. Having a military dad makes you get use to moving around.

      Have a happy stay Ivoire and enjoy your new sanctum.

    • 45.5 Hillary

      @Ivoire: glad it is over (at least for a month) and dread your upcoming move (I hate moving … so all-consuming). How’s the job search going?

    • 45.6 cmrprindle

      Hurray, Ivoire! Glad you’re mostly moved in. *hugs* Take a long hot bath and relax.

    • 45.7 Ivoire

      Another update,

      I am all moved out from my last place (but not unpacked yet) and I am taking it easy and kind of slow. The lady I am (kind of) staying with is selling her furniture because she is planning to relocate permanently to Indiana where she has been living since January due to her new job. Her current lease in Sunnyvale is up at the end of March and I will help her pack and clean the apartment. She is not looking forward to it (I can understand that and I relate) so I will be able to help there because I won’t have the emotional hang ups she might have and I just went through that, so I know how that feels.
      A couple came to buy some of her furniture yesterday (Saturday) and it helped that I was here to help with selling it and for the move, which was complicated by the fact that the furniture was bigger than the door. The move of the furniture took longer than we had anticipated, and my (somewhat) friend was really glad I was here, otherwise it would have taken waiting until she came back to town to try and sell her furniture.
      I have so been enjoying the peace and quiet, spending some time cooking, listening to some of my favorite Kdramas OST and enjoying a much nicer inside temperature than at the place where I was living. This has really been a blessing so far and I wish i could be here longer, but I will take the time I have here and I will not complain.
      I still have to find a job, as none of my leads turned into one, but I am taking it one step at a time, as the last few months have been very stressful and busy. So do you guys know what I did today? I rested and watched “The Interpreter” with Nicole Kidman and Sean Penn (really good and riveting movie, I thought. I really liked the acting and the plot and the plot moves along quite fast), “Bad Company” with Chris Rock and Anthony Hopkins (I had forgotten how funny Chris Rock can be and for a comedian, he can hold his own with experienced and accomplished actors), and “Rendition” which was also very good. I really liked the acting in that one, especially by the actor who played the Egyptian American husband. All the other actors were excellent as well and I liked how diverse the cast was (which made sense considering the subject matter).

      Someone had asked earlier if we watch US dramas or movies differently than we do Kdramas, and I have found out that watching Kdramas has made me pay more attention when I watch any other kind of movie or drama. I pay attention to how emotive people are (about all kinds of emotions, not just crying), the soundtrack, the plot, the writing, the cinematography, the chemistry between the actors etc… and I have to say that when actors/actresses (of any country) are good, they are good. For me, it comes down to whether I am buying what they are selling. Do I believe that for this particular movie/drama they are the character they are portraying to be? Do they get me engaged, make me want to stay with the film/drama, find out how it will end? And I have to say that for the movies I watched today, the actors were all very good. It was interesting for me to watch, American actors (both Black and White), actors who played African characters (in “The Interpreter” ) and actors from North Africa (they were really good) in “Rendition.” I thought they emoted really well. I liked how easy it was for me to read their body language and their faces and all the movies were beautifully shot. I liked the script of all three movies and I thought “Bad Company” was funny at times.
      Many of the scenes of “The Interpreter” were shot in the UN building, and that brought back memories of when I visited the UN (through a Cameroonian journalist) in 2001 during a trip to New York. That was very special because when I was a teenager studying foreign languages, my parents and I thought that I might end up working at the UN, as an interpreter for instance. I just loved the diversity of all the countries and the opportunity to be around so many different people and cultures. To think that people like Nelson Mandela of South Africa had been through those walls and addressed other countries there was like “Wow!” (and then later on, I realized that one would also have to deal with the politics of the place).
      I had a really nice visit in New York that year. I met some really interesting professionals, ate at some really nice restaurants and went Salsa and Merengue dancing. There was no way I was going to leave NY city without going Salsa and Merengue dancing (basically Latin, because you could add the Bachata, which is Colombian, I think). With all the people from the Dominican Republic and the Puerto Ricans and other Latinos going dancing, I knew I would have a great time and I did ๐Ÿ™‚ I haven’t gone dancing in a very long time ๐Ÿ™ I miss it.

      Ok, those were my ramblings for today. Hope you guys will have a great week, and I will try to respond individually to the responses I received ๐Ÿ™‚

  46. 46 JoAnne

    Hola Beanies!

    I am late late late to the thread this week, but had a good day off with daughter and friend. Well sort of. Daughter went to take driver’s test. How the hell should I know that that 3d brake light burned out? I’ve had cops behind me all week, you think someone would have mentioned it! So no test, rescheduled. Tears, recrimination, general evilness. But then we had lunch with friend and laughed so hard that tables around us began laughing, too, so all is well again in my tiny home.

    Let’s see…SUFBB still rocking my world. I don’t hate Hyun Soo, I don’t hate Woo Kyung, I would follow Ji Hyuk ANYWHERE, I will kick Pyo-Ju in his BALLS, and I adore adore adore tiny ball of fluff and tall drink of water and shiny pretty Pantene hair.

    BVS – haven’t seen this weeks episodes yet but enjoying so far, all the same. I want Dad to welcome Shin Jim as his daughter and kick Psycho Mom to the curb so hard her mismatched nail polish shatters.

    DH2 – I can’t tell who JB likes, but I know I like him. His smile is adorable. My heart is Jinwoonies though, and I do agree that the B song is catchy and cute. I did think (sadly) while watching it that if that moment was meant to be like the flash mob moment from last year…they’re not getting my heart like they did before. I am not bored, I want to see what happens, there are many things I quite like about the series…but I am not in love with these kids the way I was in love with their big brothers and sisters. So it’s failing on some level.

    Fermentation Family – up to episode 19. Don’t spoil it for me, I am deliberately avoiding finding out how it ends, but I already know – have known for many episodes, because I’m not dead – that pops has the big A and there’s gotta be something wrong with Grandpa. Love this. It’s funny because it’s about as makjang as they come…and yet it doesn’t feel that way at all.

    Movies: I watched Too Beautiful to Lie (Kim Ha Neul, Kang Dong Won) – enjoyable, light. Loved looking at a backwoods town that wasn’t all traditional houses. It felt kind of ’60s mid-west America to me, somehow. Wow. I guess that’s the only I watched, going back through my date book.

    American TV: Caught the first episode of Awake. Will need to be on my toes for this, and quite happy about it. Watching Walking Dead and not much else at the moment. American Idol.

    Real life: It’s going along. No one was hospitalized for seizures or died, so that’s kind of unusual. Knocking on wood as I type.

    Movie tomorrow night? I’m up for just about anything. If there’s no consensus, then I’ll be logging on at about 9:30 tomorrow night (that would 6:30 OT time) and I’ll post what I’m watching or see what someone else is watching and join in on that!


    • 46.1 JoAnne

      Oh, I forgot Operation Proposal. That might be telling, in a way…I’m enjoying it well enough, but really? If she walks away from Jin Won at the alter I’m going to punch her. He deserves better. I think the only part of this that really moves my heart is wanting to know what’s in store for Chan Wook and Jin Ju, and those ALL TOO INFREQUENT glimpses of that adorable Conductor.

      • 46.1.1 jomo

        The further along we go, the farther away from the altar she is in the present.
        I don’t think we are going to see a The Graduate.

        Although, I can no longer agree that this will end with him apart form YS. She is now moving towards him, too.

        • JoAnne

          Maybe Jin Won is the conductor.

          • jomo

            Now you are really messing with my head…

            What else has the Conductor been in, I wonder. He is soooo cute..going off to Dwiki…

          • JoAnne

            The Conductor was the cop in Ahjussi, although he looks very different with short hair. Or maybe I was blinded with lust for Binnie, and completely creeped out by the amazingly talented actor who played the bad guy.

      • 46.1.2 shel

        That conductor is adorable and you’re right, he’s not on often enough.

        It’s the dimples….they get me every time.

        I want BackHoe to get the girl, but I like that tne 2nd lead guy isn’t a scumbucket. He’s a good guy. I won’t cry if he gets her, but Backhoe is trying so hard now.

        • jomo

          This show is really getting to me, prolly because YSH is so incredibly easy to love.

          I am not happy when BackHoe is not happy, and for the love of Baeksu, I am getting really worried here about the credible threat that is Jin Won…
          taps foot…crosses legs…uncrosses legs…puts chin in hands…
          deep breaths, it’s just a show. There is no reason to get upset about a fictional character…
          But but but
          By Una’s short sword, as I flashback to the pain I felt in WBDS, I cannot take another YSH heartbreak or sacrifice or nobleness in any form…

          Why does it have to hurt?

      • 46.1.3 cmrprindle

        Happy Weekend, JoAnne! It sounds like you’ve had an adventurous day. *hugs*

        I must start Fermentation Family! Just like the dozen other dramas I needs must start :s

    • 46.2 JoAnne

      Forgot – I watched Quick with Lee Min Ki – lots of fun!

      • 46.2.1 Mystisith

        Just read the synopsis and saw the photos on DC. Seems like a good one for me. LMK, bikes and leather. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • JoAnne

          I don’t think you’ll be disappointed: great stunts, humor, enough of a plot to keep it going, Lee MinKi being Lee MinKi, a little romance.

    • 46.3 ajbny

      you’re right about fermentation family. The difference is the actors I think. They make it seem everyday and that everything is going to be okay if the kimchi friends meet.

  47. 47 Shee

    Hello DB & all – any news of Ji chang wook’s recent accident? i hope he’s ok & will be find since the production of bachelors vegetable drama asked him to go back to the studio a few hrs after the accident! that’s cruel! poor thing didn’t even have a chance to recover from his injuries & fright!

    • 47.1 cherkell

      Not true, @Shee… the production heads were ADAMANT that Changwook-ssi NOT return to the set after he was patched up at hospital (the first time); he demanded to return on his own free will since there were only five more shooting days and he was in most of the scenes. Losing him for even two or three days at the least would effectively have shut down the production. He finished his filming the afternoon of 26 February and returned to hospital (the second time) only after complaining of a headache and he started limping badly. If you want more details, my Tumblr blog and the BVS Soompi forum are your places to visit. ๐Ÿ™‚

  48. 48 clover

    Yeah! My day is finally done and I can catch the thread. So I waited long enough…it’s time for me to finally start watching Vampire Prosecutor this weekend.

    Has anyone else been following KWOW? It’s stands for Korean Word of the Week. I love it! If you don’t what it is, please check it out!

    • 48.1 JoAnne

      Yep, I do that one, plus HaruKorean, plus TalktoMeinKorean, and then there’s another one but he hasn’t been posting..Atom4 or something like that.

    • 48.2 cmrprindle

      On my Chrome browser of a Korean Word of the Day extension. I only sorta remember to use it, though… :s

  49. 49 ajbny

    don’t be too envious but I just had a large bowl-like container of makgoli! I usually have to go to union street to get some, but today while I was waiting in line to check out my rice and shrimp crackers there was the beautiful green bottle on the top of the freezer at jmart. It’s mitzvah makgoli!!
    I had a really good kmusic week and now the makgoli! hannanim nomu nomu kamsahamnida!

    • 49.1 Shukmeister

      I drink soju, not makgeoli. I don’t really like the consistency of it. Still, whatever makes the heart happy is good!

  50. 50 cmrprindle

    Oh! A while ago, Ricky and I were half-jokingly wondering if there were any Librarian Noona/Unnie in the OT.

    So…are there?

    • 50.1 ricky the royal highness

      I remember the conversation we had. LOL

      What? None at all?

      • 50.1.1 cmrprindle

        Looks like they only exist in our heads, YRH. :-/

        • cherkell

          I was a Music Librarian at college back in the ‘Stone Age’… does that count? ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Shukmeister

            I read books.

    • 50.2 Dorotka


      (if volunteer work in the local school counts)

    • 50.3 cv


      I work at my local library as a Library assistant II. ^_^
      I’m technically not a Librarian since you need a master’s degree in Library science. 0_0

    • 50.4 cmrprindle

      Cherkell, Dorotka and cv, those all count!

      YRH, we found 3 librarian noona/unnie and 1 dedicated library fangirl! Woohoo! Now, refresh my memory…why were we looking for librarian noona/unnie again?

      • 50.4.1 cv

        LOL ^_^
        Yea, why do u need to know if there’s librarian noonas in here?? 0_o

      • 50.4.2 ricky the royal highness

        Just for fun, of course!
        I think we were just curious. We were talking about books and libraries and the fact that your card expired ๐Ÿ™‚

        • cv

          hahaha! ^^
          Well, if your card does expired, just go to ur library and renew it. It’s free! ๐Ÿ˜€

          • cmrprindle

            @YRH – That’s right! My blinkin’ card expired on me and I was on a tear of disbelief and bookish anger.

            @cv – I know this sounds really basic…library card expires? Get a new one! But I have literally had the same card for about half my life and I’m almost 30. NYC library cards never expired before this. They’d get lost four times over before they expired. So this expiration thing was very new. PLUS there was no forewarning, so when I tried to download an audiobook I was told my card was defective, and when I tried to put a book on hold, any book, I was told they were all unavailable. Even obscure ones! To top it off, I’m on their mailing list. They could have warned a girl.

            Sorry…ending my rant now. Can you tell I was deeply affected, silly though it might be?

          • Shukmeister

            Deep slow breaths, Prindle, deep slow breaths.