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Happy OT all ! ^^

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Happy OT to you too, cv! And of course to the Beanut Gallery.

So glad to be back in Manila and watch the shows I missed this week. Was in Melbourne and was amazed that the Ibis Melbourne (the hotel we stayed in) did not have wifi. Could get online (check emails and such) during the day at the Univ of Melbourne but was deep at work and could not watch dramas. Not even a peek. Was itching to see what is happening at the penultimate episode of Rich Man Poor Woman. Now just catching up, and with Faith and Arang and the Magistrate as well.

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Thanks dramabliss! ^^ have a good weekend too.

Can't wait for the last ep of RMPW. It's going to be good--I hope. :)

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Happy OT, and happy weekend! :)

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zgznoona, happy OT! ^^ Hope you are having a good week so far.

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Happy OT and a lovely weekend to you! :)

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Hi kopytko! You have a great weekend too. ^^ I'll be busy working and catching up on dramas.

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Been busy in RL and catching up on watching everything that's been airing this week. LOL

GTO: interesting ending. Not bad--always upbeat after a down situation.

Sprout: I just had to watch you raw--^_0 So cute. Hayato, even if you don't get the girl in the end, noona is here for you. hehe

Arang: I have not watched the last two eps yet. I don't know... Just not feeling it. I'll probably watch in by the end of the weekend. :p

TTBY: oooooooooh so many cuties. Fluffy watch...I can definitely do. LOL

Faith: still watching to see how far your awsomeness will go. haha! Good and evil---push and pull, who's going to win in the end?

Golden Time: I like you but why did you have to extend three more eps? arrrgh! I was hoping to see what happens in the end next Monday. blah! Well, you better have a great ending and not drag.

Miss rose: OH my! the OTP has so much chemistry. It's sizzling hot! ^^ He better man up and do something or else! haha

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I'm sorry, but what are the dramas GTO, Sprout, and Miss Rose about and stand for? Your comments on them made me curious on whether I'd enjoy them as well. :)

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I don't know the first two dramas, but I'm watching Miss Rose!

It's taiwanese and it's your typical rom-com, with chaebols and office drama, a hateful second female lead and the ex-boyfriend of the main female lead just appeared to bring heartache to our heroine... But there're some nice characters (like the best friend of the heroine, or her amazing family) and the OTP is full of chemestry/cuteness, so it isn't bad at all.

I'll copy/paste the official drama synopsis 'cause I suck at summarize movies/dramas/books/any kinf of stories: Luo Si Yi is highly competent in her job but very timid when it comes to love. One day, she finds herself working under new manager Gao Cheng Kuan, who is known to be ruthless in both love and business. He sees all his employees as screws that needed to be tightened or throw away if rusted. Will she be able to please the ever-demanding boss or will him mellow down and be one with the people?

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That sounds interesting, typical but interesting. :) I've never seen a taiwanese drama (I should say I've never FINISHED a taiwanese drama--their hana kimi remake may have been a little closer to the manga, but it didn't hold my interest.) so maybe I'll give this one a shot! Thank-you! Where do you watch it with subs?

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GTO and Sprout are 2 jdoramas GTO is about a teacher and Sprout about first love at 15-16. GTO 2 actually (is a sequel) I'm not following it, I liked to much the first one (I recommend it).
Sprout is nice, full of good kids-actors.

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Sprout--HS love--awww, I still remember like it was yesterday. LOL
The second lead is soooo cute. He's mixed--half Japanese and half white? Real name is Jesse Lewis. ^^

Great Teacher Onizuka 2012--HS teacher method of teaching is to befriend the troubled kids in his class and help them to trust again. It's not bad all. Lots of heart in this one.

Miss Rose---Tdrama---yes, it's a romcom---Roy sure can act all stuffy and yet so hooot.

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Thanks for the replies! I'll be sure to put them on my "to watch" list. :)

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Pfffft. The site doesn't let me reply to you in your lastest post!

Yeah, it uite typical. I wouldn't watch it if it weren't because of the relationshipt between the leads and their families and friends. K-dramas got me used to manipulative parents, meddling sisters/brothers, absent/good for nothing friends (if they aren't included in the love triangle, 'cause if they are, they are anything but real friends!),etc. But in here... even though there're characters like that, the core relationships are healthy and super normal. Main girl's family is ADORABLE! (His dad is the best!), her BFF is so supportive, and it's obvious main guy's mom ('cause dad isn't in the picture... yet) is a good woman, but oblivious about his son feelings towards his way of life, etc.

And it doesn't hurt that the OTP has a lot of chemestry. It's been building up since episode one, so it's a nice ride watch them getting comfortable around each other (as also the actors must be knowing each other better).

So yeah, watch it ;D! I hope it surprises you, like it did to me.

One question: are all TW dramas... bad? 'Cause I've read so many people complaining about them!

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IMO (though I'm not sure if it would be a valid opinion since I haven't really watched any TW dramas) I think most people usually watch remakes of other types of dramas, so their opinions may side with the previous drama (like BOF or Hana Kimi). I've seen some trailers and scenes from some TW dramas in passing, and they seem really good. I wanted to put them on my watch list (I actually DO have a watch list in my diary (that I don't write in anymore, I should one of these days. :P) for dramas. movies, and manga, each with a number of pages dedicated solely to them.) And I think I either couldn't find out the name for the drama or I wrote the name down but never got around to watching it. One thing that I appreciate about TW dramas is that they have actually made dramas about issues that other cultures like kdramas would just gloss over. I remember seeing a few fanmade videos about this drama about a gay couple. I wonder if I wrote down the name? I can't remember what it's called. But I really want to see it since it looked like it had a good ending. :)

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Happy Friday fellow Dramabeanies! I just about had a heart attack watching Answer Me 1997 episode 15. This has been one great show. They know how to introduce just the right amount of doubt!

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Happy OT everyone!!
Dashing off to a farewell party at the office, awww, I hate goodbyes ... that's why Faith and Arang made me sad this week. Looking forward to reading all your entries when I get back!

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Kakashi - is it for you?

I have to catch up with both Arang and Faith. I had a house full of company this week and everyone left last night, so I think I need a little me time. Next on the agenda - Episode 10 of Faith!

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no, it wasn't for me, but a long-time friend/colleague.

Actually, I watched everything raw this week only (because I'm busy revising an article and needed to do so partially at night) so I have 2xFaith and 2xArang with subs on my list for this weekend, plus Vampire Prosecutor 2 Epi1. Also looking forwarwd to VP2 Epi2, especially the promised shower scene.

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Hello Kakashi!

I got caught up with Faith late in the airing, but now I'm on top of it, Arang, RMPW, and HaeLuvrs. Yeah, and I thought there would be a slowdown from the summer shows. lol

I hope you are doing good! Take care!

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Hello Shukmeister!
Thank you, yes, I'm doing fine. How about you?
Summer is slowly turning into autumn, which is my favorite season. And I love many of the current dramas, so life is good :)

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I'm liking the cooldown of the weather, and the hotness on the screen! [wink]

Now, if only those darn BigBang tix would go on sale, I'd be one ecstatic ahjumma.

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And, yes! Finally, BB tix go on sale this weekend.

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Shukmeister, you're not watching Vampire Prosecutor?

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I watched the first episode, and I happily squeeed! It felt like the same pacing and chemistry as the first season. I just pray the romance angle doesn't take the wind out of the storyline.

But to answer your question, heck yeah I'm watching! lol

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I've been waiting for that to get subbed. Is it fully subbed and up now? Do you know a site where it has good video quality?

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You can watch it engsubbed on dramacrazy. I don't know of an HD streaming site offhand. Sorry I couldn't be more help!

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Jumping in @Feather if you're in the US/Canada, Dramafever is carrying it!

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@Shukmeister
@myweithisway

Thank-you! I just finished watching it on dramacrazy. I used that site for the first season last year, as well. :) I am in the US, but I don't like dramafever's commercials cutting in at inopportune moments during the episode, though I'll probably use it when marathoning AM 1997.
Thank-you again for your help!

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Happy OT everyone! I hope you are all having the fabulous weather that we are having here in the North East!

@RockPaperScissors - I actually found Answer Me 1997 a little frustrating - I want to know more - NOW!

Also on the edge of my seat with RMPW. And now Nice Guy is starting. Just when I say I'm weaning off Kdramas for a bit....haha

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Hey Korazy!

Long time no see! That darn RL has a way of intruding.

RMPW - I was mad at the last episode. Only one more to the end and we're stuck with Yoko and misunderstanding between Hyuga and Natsui. I wanted more cute time [sigh]. Still an excellent show.

Still plugging away at my recaps. It's a lot harder than I thought!

Have you decided whether you are coming up to NYC/NJ for the BB concert? Let me know!

Since I just woke, doing the seagull commenting. See you later!

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Hi Shukie! No slowdown for any of us! I have been swamped with stuff recently and haven't had a chance to catch up with your writings. I admire your tenacity, but really it seems like you have more hours in the day then I do! How do you do that? Magic flute? Wormhole? or maybe Ghost writers? ;)

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All of the above - hee hee hee.

Truth to tell, I write during the slower portions of my job. That's the fun of working a midnight shift: moments of excitement between stretches of boredom.

I tend to jigsaw my drama watching throughout the day. I can watch at least one episode while using the kitchen. I also watch very little primetime television. Sundays I spend with my parents, so I'll pop up an epi (with earbuds) while watching the Yankees or golf with my dad.

It just a matter of juggling everything and keeping it all moving!

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About the concert. Have you guys decided where you are meeting to eat that day? It's the distance that's worrying me - and I have a wedding the next day so staying over is not an option. But I'd love to meet up with my fellow DBers! What to do, what to do???

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'Tis up to you, my lady.

Some of us are going to be there Thursday, so you can always meet up with us then, still stay overnight, and leave Friday. We're looking at either a mobile Movie Noona night (at the hotel), or possibly a noraebang session.

Or maybe we'll just busk in the subway... lol

Nothing's been set yet, but I'm going to keep everyone in the loop on Twitter and my blog. I'll let you know as plans gel!

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Noraebang? Busking in the subway (hopefully to Oppa Gangnum Style?) It gets more tempting by the minute. Tweet me the hotel when you get a chance, s'il vous plait!

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Abso. And I think they'll be extra room too!

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Hello dramabeaners and drama addicts all around the world!
I won't beat around the bush: The Streaming/subbing war going on annoys me to no end. I want Vampire Prosecutor season 2 ep 1 like now. I also want subs for The 3rd Ward eps 2,3 & 4.
Except Panda and Hedgehog, there is not enough rom-coms (Haeundae Lovers did not convince me). I started rewatching SeGa, on viki this time, and I'm having fun with (most of) the comments for once.
Ps: Just learnt today than Japan will drop nuclear energy... in 2030. *facepalm*. And France is supposed to stop its older facility in... 2016. I swear, they will never learn. If you're interested in how we can produce energy without atom, you could watch the mini dorama in 5 episodes: Magma (dramacrazy has it). Enlightening.

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war? what war?

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Have you been living under a rock? (just kidding^^)

Got to the Soompi thread for Answer !997 or to the last open thread, there have been discussions going on in 35 and most of the second page.

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Not a rock. under several piles of books and papers waiting to be graded. **groan**

Also, I'm never on Soompi.

I'll check out the last open thread.

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Basically, any site hosting subs/vids for AM1997 and many other cable shows = poof! Gone.

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Umm, for some reason I get the message "ERROR 404 PAGE NOT FOUND" when I try to access last week's open thread (cached version still exists though). Is the OT being censored, lol?

Anyways, I'm not really interested in stirring things up. I just have a question about MisterX aka Dramatic. I think I read somewhere that MisterX's blog had a lot of insightful commentary and explanations about all the references in Reply 1997. Was this extra information in the subs or on his site? Does anyone know where I can I find a copy of his commentary? I'm not interested in the subs; I dropped Reply 1997 after episode 2. It's just that I've heard so many amazing things about MisterX that I really want to read his contributions.

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Holy shiznak. The OT is being censored O_O

"Your comment is awaiting moderation."

All I did was quote some articles about DramaPhever's funding ($7.8 million from media companies including AMC) and the irony of DramaPhever shutting down a fan subber's blog when they use fan subs themselves. Oh yeah, and I said that I think viki has faster and better subs.

Errr... I'm not sure which key words I used that sent my comment straight to the black hole that is the moderated comments inbox >_>

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Not to worry, there's no censorship involved.

Your comment triggered spam alert automatically (it contained keywords that have been used in spam before, I believe) and got held back. As you see, it's now been approved. Trying multiple times with the same message just triggers the alert more, fyi.

I know it's easy to assume this has something to do with the Dramafever incident, but I assure you there's no censorship filter for Dramafever or for this conversation.

I would like, however, to advise everyone to perhaps not jump to the worst conclusion in all scenarios. I'm seeing a bit of paranoia around here, and I think we're in danger of spreading assumptions and rumors as fact.

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Thanks for responding, Javabeans :)

I posted the same comment twice because I wasn't sure which keyword(s) were being marked as "spam."

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@javabeans: Thanks for the clarification. I must say I had doubts for a minute. *Going in the corner*.
I wonder if dramabeans could be some kind of a mediator/relay between "us" (consumers of K dramas) "and" them (distributors or whoever is behind those site deletions).
I know it's delicate for you admins of this site to be involved in this and I'm quite passing you the hot potato... I'd like this crisis to be an opportunity for discussion: I want a happy ending for everyone, as usual. :)

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Yeah I haven't started AM 1997 so was bummed out as all heck about the strong arm tactics from DF. Because you know those sites did not only serve a US/ Canada audience. Which is what DF is licensed for. I am not living the in the US :-(

So yeah am so not impressed with their selfish attitudes especially since they are using his subs on the station. For Kdramas we all know money can't buy you good subs. Imagine waiting for subs for AM 1997. Ergh. That is my pet peeve for this week that even DSS had to cull the subtitles list of dramas which are playing in DF.

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so.... is recapping AM 1997 with screenshots also illegal?

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You can check the latest OT: anonymous versus anonymUs. Basically a lot of "illegal" streaming and subbing sites have been shut down (My Soju, Kimchidrama, dramaticweebly, darksmurfsub...). Apparently, Dramafever (for sure) and Korean channels (maybe) have used the DMCA gun. As a consequence, it's a bit harder to find your shows online, and now we have to survive with the raws.
I really wish we would have a SK portal multi-channel which would offer eng subs (even with a delay): I live in Europe and I really need to be creative to watch my shows.

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I know. It's especially hard to find subbed cable shows and it's driving me nuts, because there is simply no other source for me. Unless I want to buy very expensive DVD sets with mediocre English subs.
I was surprised about dramaticweebly, because that site was more of a commentary/criticism site, even though MisterX had his great subs on it too.

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Diorama, email me if you get a chance.

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Yeah they shut down Kimchidrama, what do they want us to do? Don't they know how much we love their shows, how could they penalize us the international viewers who can't understand Korean and must rely on kind hearted subbers. Don't they know that for our country to buy their drama it should create buzz words in blogs or have people talking about those dramas?

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crazy! I hadn't known... though I noticed many sites 'acting' weird ... That's a shock!! I see Dramacrazy, my go-to site, is still working, but now I'm seriously worried ... well, I have faith in the international Drama crowd to stand together and solve this problem!

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I have absolutely no faith that the community will do anything about this. Most people just don't care what complications these things have. They just don't think long term, that these DMCA marathon won't be the last or the worst.

What most people care about is watching dramas in a convenient way and Dramafever is giving them that. The last comment on the last ot-thread is "DramaFever Hwaiting" if it doesn't make a complication on their end, they couldn't care less. The whole problem of this thing is, that the people that could make a difference (people watching Dramafever) are not involved in this thing, they don't need any softsubs or fansubs, so why should they care?

I would love to be proven wrong, but I just don't see that happen.

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:-(
you could be right, I'm afraid ... I read up what I missed (on last week's OT and on other places), I'm quite shocked. I'm not American and I absolutely depend on sites other than Dramafever. It it is true that they use the subs of the guy whose website they shut down, then everybody with a sense of fairness should start boycotting Dramafever - or at least let them know that this type of behavior is just not okay.

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http://gigaom.com/video/dramafever-series-b/

Skip to 2:10 to hear the founder speaking about piracy and his thoughts about the community.

So much fucking hypocrisy...

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@hanni12: I went back to the previous week's OT thread and read the last comment encouraging DF (not cool, malta!). You very accurately put it, that (some) viewers who aren't affected by this crackdown could give a fig about DF jerking around and the international viewers being the scapegoats in this unfortunate yet absolutely avoidable tug-of-war.

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@hanni12 I read the article that you posted a link to and it includes a quote by DramaPhever's co-founder, Bak, saying that he doesn't want to "demonize" fan subbers. He also admits that DramaPhever uses fan subbing groups' subs and suggests that DF provides ad revenue in exchange for web traffic from fan subbing sites. So it is indeed rather hypocritical that they shut down a lone fan subber's blog because he released better subs than them for Reply 1997.

Like I said earlier (in my "moderated comment"), I think it's great that DramaPhever provides a legal way to watch dramas. I can also understand their attempts to shut down my soju and kimchi dramas. But I feel really upset that they shut down MisterX’s blog. I never got to read any of his commentary/analysis/reviews T_T

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I used to go to dramafever but have not anymore since they changed to their new settings/new look. Beside that, they have to much commercials. To watch Dramafever, you have to buy subscription. That's kinda lame.

So far, for me, viki is still better but now they starting to have lots of errors. It's just too bad there aren't that many contributors helping.

If all free sites goes down, does that mean everyone's going to have to start paying to watch? That's lame.

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This is so annoying. I also don't live in the US so Dramafever aren't interested in me. I am utterly dependent on the fansubbers to be able to watch dramas. If the Korean broadcasters are also behind these notices, it is a big mistake by them. They vaunt hallyu all the time, so how do they think those of us in places other than the US get to see their dramas? There are no legal paths open to us. If it wasn't for these fansubbers, I would never have started watching drama, would never have begun learning Korean, would not have made friends with Koreans studying here in the UK, and would not be visiting those same friends in Korea next year. I can't help it now, Korea and the Korean people are in my blood, so despite this campaign, I will get hold of drama somehow, but they are certainly slamming the door in the face of anyone who may be interested in Korea in the future. What a way to kill international interest in hallyu in it's infancy.

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The ironic thing is..the so called "Hallyu-Wave" would probably not be at its height like this without the help of the unpaid fansubbers. All of the korean actors/actresses who do the fanmeeting /concert/promotion/activity overseas would probably not be able to do so if international fans like me do not watch their dramas.

Last but not least, it feels scarier as a lot of my favorite kdrama community website i visit have DramaPhever ads on their website. It feels like all of my kdrama community websites are surveilled by them/at least got supported by them.

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You're telling me! We are in the same boat dear...but you know that. I got my Vampy, thanks a lot...happy person here ;)

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I was just thinking about this [angrily unfortunately] earlier this week when I found out Kimchidrama had been taken down.

[Begin Rant]

How do the makers of these dramas/ music think their products get famous internationally? Seriously? Do they honestly think people in Argentina, Peru, Spain, South Africa, Ghana, Yemen etc honestly sit down and learn Korean/Japanese/Taiwanese or fork over ridiculous amounts of money to buy DVD's or music from foreign artists they've never heard of? The answer to that is a resounding NO. It's only through the hard work of unpaid subbers who take their time to translate the original material into loads of different languages.

I get so annoyed about copyright infringement police when they refuse to make the desired product available at affordable prices for people who might be interested but are not hooked yet want to reap the benefits of international fame only to turn around and undercut the very people who made that fame possible. And restricting viewing to only American sites is just ridiculous! I don't live in America so DramaFever isn't an option for me. Even Viikii restricts is veiwings. Only so called 'illegal' sites allow every one who has an interest in the dramas to watch them in high quality with excellent subbing. Seriously. If they don't want international fans (other than Americans and those that can access American sites) they should just say. I'll turn my attention back to Bollywood where I'm appreciated *humph!*

[Rant over]

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Okay back to my happy and serene self. I'm sure all of this will blow over and our beloved site master's will find a way of bringing back the goodies. And I do actually believe the drama community will help each other out :D Especially if everyone is as lovely as all you guys on DB!

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DF doesn't work for me ether, Viki, some dramas are available...
I depend on DC and other sites for dramas.., but luckly people on Twitter are good and we share links among us.., the same goes to DB people ;)

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aww I searched for a long time for dramaticweebly's subs, since I heard that he had great subs for Answer Me 1997, and good reviews overall.

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You can dld the ENG subs to the newer shows (VIKI and Dramafever version) here:
asiadramasub.blogspot.com

They are uploaded very fast; often no later than a couple of hours after the VIKI subs are finished.

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That site also had to take down their AM 1997 subs, see: http://asiadramasub.blogspot.ch/2012/09/answer-to-1997-subtitles-removed-due-to.html

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Morning, Mystisith,

I for one never understood why there was such disdain for SeGa, but maybe it's because I watched it in my "early days". I found it quite hilarious and thought HB and HJW both did a great job when they were in each other's bodies.

I'm just excited that Nice Guy is already being subbed. Having to wait too long for others (a.k.a Third Ward) makes me forget about and eventually drop them. Speaking of which, as much as I love to look at OJH, I'm really starting to doubt his acting abilities. He seems to only have two expressions - dazzling dimpled smile or lost puppy dog look. Although the dazzling dimpled smile is hard to beat!

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concerning SeGa- a lot of it is probably because of that one scene where HB's character forced himself on HJW's character-mind you they only slept innocently but still it was kinda of despicable for him to come in and submit her to something she didn't want.

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Hello Minnetter,
I know than a lot of viewers had an issue with that scene. My take is: She's a professional stunt woman. She could have neutralized him if she wanted it to... She didn't fight much so I always presumed she accepts to be manhandled and courted this way. I would not have said the same thing for a frail vulnerable woman of course.

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Hi Mysti,

Why can't "No" mean "No" in dramaland? Why should she have to neutralize him for him to stop? Same thing with the forced kiss? Can't "No" mean "No' there as well? How far should the envelope be pushed? If a woman doesn't want to be kissed, she doesn't want to be kissed. If she doesn't want to sleep with you (even platonically), she doesn't want to sleep with you. It makes it seems as if it is OK for the guy to behave in these manners, especially if he ends up getting what he wants.
In those instances, it seems as if the heroine or female character's feelings and opinions don't matter. Not good for a (healthy) relationship, even though I am fully aware that turning to dramaland for healthy romantic relationships should not necessarily be the thing to do.

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Also, the forced kiss is soooo not attractive to watch, imho. It makes me cringe every single time I see it.

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Bonjour, Ivoire. I agree with the forced kiss - ugh. I actually thought HB was really aggressive in SeGa, but I watched it late so never knew what the comments were, just read that people either loved it or hated it. I did really enjoy the body switching parts (which I know some people really DIDN't like!)

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@Ivoire: Interesting question and I will try to answer the more honestly I can.

I think there is a difference between fiction and reality (where "no" effectively means "no"): I had to use the "no" in real life and it saved me from being sexually assaulted. So I respect and value that notion a lot.

On the other side, dramas are just fictions and I see things differently. Sometimes I apply my moral code, sometimes I use the implicit one contained in the drama. And sometimes I mix up everything... In real life and in dramas, I like men who can be in charge of the relationship in the earlier stages. To put things bluntly, clingy/stalking jerks fit my personal fantasies and my emotional profile: I never blame men for trying -hard- to court the girl and I consider they are harmless.
That said, there is a very thin red line (different for each person) which separates what is acceptable from what is not (BDSM is a total no-no for me but some people like it. Good for them...). I can't stand male/female physical violence for example. In Lovers in Prague which I watched recently, the male lead slaps a pregnant woman (former girlfriend). Furthermore, he is a cop! After seeing that, it was dead for me: I couldn't consider him as a credible partner/boyfriend.

I personally consider than the red line wasn't crossed in SeGa. (I don't talk for other dramas, it really depends on how the character is designed). I will use a metaphor for Kim Joo-won's behavior. It's like when you hold a bird in your hands: If you don't squeeze it enough it will flee or injure itself while struggling. If you squeeze too much you crush it. As for Gil Ra-im, she is defined like an alpha female who can perfectly defend herself against an unwanted proximity: She could kick him in the groin and end of the story. So, for me in that show, the heroine is attracted to the man and it's a question of pride to play "hard to get" because other way she would pass for an easy girl (neo-confucianism filter here, not my personal values). Therefore, I presume her in love and willing from the start (she is the one who suggests a kiss to reverse the body switching, not him!). This is the way I interpret their love relationship.

Now, to answer your first question: If "no" meant "no" in dramaland, half the romance dramas would stop at episode 1 since the dog/cat fight ("I swear I will never like you!") is the norm for the first episodes. The rest being "meet cute" as we call it. At the end of the day, everyone is free to like the oppa of her dreams: Our sweet Boong-do from QIHM was also addictive I must admit. :)

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Hello Mysti and KL,

I have to run so I won't be long (I think...). I have quickly read your posts (thank you) and I will comment on them later. I would be interested in your thoughts (Mysti) about the forced kiss (specifically, I know you took the time to explain the "no" meaning "no" which would apply to forced kissing, I guess).

I am asking because it just seems at times that the girl has to struggle or resist for (quite) a while it seems like for the guy to let go. It makes me (personally) uncomfortable to see that. Many of the people who are now watching Kdramas are very young women (teenagers) all over the world, as Kdramas are becoming more and more popular (I saw a documentary once on KBS World where they were interviewing teenage Chileans girls about why they liked Kdramas and Kpop). Sometimes I wonder what they take away from it. We are adults, I think it is different for us. I guess those girls could talk to their parents as well and I hope that is enough (parents' opinion of what is appropriate and what isn't). When I was a teenager and was reading romance novels, I had fantasies or I made up stories in my head. I didn't act on them, but they were there. I know one shouldn't rely on Kdramas to have a code of conduct (not when it comes to certain things or situations), but sometimes I can't help but wonder...

The dramas that come to mind right now (with forced kisses) are MNIKSS (bathroom scene), The World Within (HB tried several times and she kept pushing him away but he ended up kissing her, SMH), Goong (considering that they were teenagers, I think, that was hard for me to watch), SeGa and M2F (I was so not impressed with that kiss) and BOF (JP tries and he is aggressive about it but she doesn't let him kiss her).

Anyways, as you said, "to each his/her own", kisses and all. I would be interested in any additional thoughts you might have, and I would also understand if you feel that you don't have more to add. Have a great weekend.

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Hmm, your questions set me to thinking, Ivoire! I do understand your concern with that message being relayed to teenagers, but then I could find numerous bad messages in these dramas, like how it is OK for the fathers to beat their kids, OK for the husbands to be totally domineering and force their wives to be submissive, OK for bosses to go on rampages and smack down their employees, just to name a few.

In the case of the forced kiss (and honestly, I'd have to watch SeGa again because I don't remember it) if it were me and I didn't want to kiss a guy, I'd be really forceful. Especially if I had absolutely no physical attraction to him. But, isn't the point of these rom coms (or any of the shows considered romance shows) to be building on the underlying attraction between the OTP? It's a formula as old as time, one used in a thousand romance novels, where you can be attracted physically to but repulsed by someone at the same time. I think it's rare indeed if, by the end of a woman's life, she hasn't encountered someone she had a physical attraction to but thought was a jerk, or too cocky, or too conceited. Most women are smart enough to accurately access the situation and stay clear. But in a fantasy situation, if this guy forces a kiss on you, and you resist but realize, wow, he's a great kisser, now what? Now your head is spinning, you've tasted the thrill of the bad guy, and think maybe you can change him with your love and devotion, etc. etc. Standard romance novel stuff, even old Rogers & Hammerstein fluffy musical stuff.

There are plenty of shows on American TV that convey far worse messages if you ask me, and a lot of these are aimed at teenagers. I understand where you are coming from, and am not advocating it in real life, but usually they are doing this with characters that have the sexual tension going on already, and I bet most watchers are OK when it happens. (Especially ones that have been married for a long, long, time.....haha!)

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Hi KL,

I have to dash again as my weekend is super busy. I do appreciate your response and I will try and answer later this evening (I will be gone all day). Thank you also for understanding that I asked these questions not to be angry but because I have honestly pondered these things (that documentary with the Chilean teenagers was very interesting) and I was just honestly curious about your take on them.

I hope you are having a wonderful weekend!

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I personally didn't like the scene I thought it was way too much, No means No in anything concerning the bed. Now I'm not unhappy that a character keeps asking for dates and is a little aggressive in the love-chasing but I didn't always like Joowon's sometimes overly aggressive ways.

However I must confess that for some frustrating reason I was really hooked on that show and the next episode couldn't come soon enough for me... All in all I was satisfied with the last episode.

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Hello KL and Minnetter (aka: Min),

Sorry I haven't gotten a chance to add my response to our topic of conversation, I have had a really busy weekend so far, and it doesn't look like it will be over soon. I will try and write something tonight or late at night, so if you remember, please check back tonight or tomorrow. Thank you ladies :-)

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Happy Friday Mistidith,
Have you tried The Thousandth Man? It's only an ep a week, but it could work.
I saw you commenting about Mangma the other day and I was interested, even more so, when I saw it was only 4 or 5 eps. About the Nuclear energy...ON the nuclear energy front, I got news last night that the one closest to where I'm from will close down next year in June. http://www.greenpeace.org/espana/es/Blog/garoa-cierra-gracias-a-ti/blog/42093/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social_network&utm_term=graciasati&utm_content=cierre&utm_campaign=garo%C3%B1a

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Sorry to say, The Thousandth Man doesn't interest me much: Gumiho stories never appealed to me. Maybe I will change my mind later.

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Well, it's just a rom-com about a woman who needs a man who loves her enough to die for her.
The situations are funny, and the characters are interesting

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Happy Friday Mistisith,
Have you tried The Thousandth Man? It's only an ep a week, but it could work.
I saw you commenting about Mangma the other day and I was interested, even more so, when I saw it was only 4 or 5 eps. About the Nuclear energy...ON the nuclear energy front, I got news last night that the one closest to where I'm from will close down next year in June. http://www.greenpeace.org/espana/es/Blog/garoa-cierra-gracias-a-ti/blog/42093/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social_network&utm_term=graciasati&utm_content=cierre&utm_campaign=garo%C3%B1a

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how did I ended up posting twice? so weird. Sorry for that

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Ditto; I'm enjoying Panda and Hedgehog, but otherwise feeling the lack of fluffy romcoms. I'm also watching TTBY, but while I enjoy some parts of it, most of it isn't leaving me excited. Donghae surprised me with how decent he is in Panda, though - I thought he was going to be terrible, given what I've heard about Daddy's Girl.

And double ditto for 3rd Ward! Golden Time isn't quite doing it for me, so I'm after another medical drama with more excitement. I need to fill the dark void left in my life after the ending of God's Quiz 3. XD

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Thanks for cluing me in.

Last week's open thread was unavailable for a long time, but I finally caught up.

Dramafever's sub is my least favorite. I hate how they leave off the Korean cultural quirks from their subs.

This is scary. I may have to give up K-drama. Thank goodness viki is safe.

If Dramacrazy goes, I'll loose access to j-drama.

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Yea, some subs on dramafever is really fast--like 2 seconds and it's gone while the person is still talking. Or when someone is being called Hyung, ajumma, etc--they sub the person's name like we didnt' understand. *rolleyes* Seriously, for those who have watched Kdrama for a long time, we understand that but for those who don't, they can always look it up. :p

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Q: Is copyright infringement why a certain long-established torrent portal for drama addicts (I'm guessing most longtime drama fans can figure out the clue easily) no longer lists current kdrama softsubs in English?

As someone living outside the US who can't get Viki or DF, I dislike what DF is doing too and seriously doubt its legality where fan-made softsubs are concerned, as with Mister X's blog.

That being said, softsubbing groups have consistently warned against using their subs on streaming sites for this very reason. Even if DF hadn't made the move, the broadcasters who have global rights to these shows would probably have done so eventually.

I suppose the logical move for subbing groups and fans is to go back to the old way of torrenting RAWS and softsubs and insisting against hardsubbed streaming. I predict a new burst in loyalty to the torrent portal named above!

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Hey Mysti!

Yeah, it's a bite about the lockdown, but I like to think of it as jello; squeezing it only makes it leak out between the fingers.

That miniseries sounds interesting, though. I'll put it on my "Watch when I have a moment" list.

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Happy OT!!!!
I hope you drama week was satisfying. Mine was okay.
1. disappointed I have to wait till next week for the final AM1997. I don't want it to end, but at the same time I'm tired of all the "who's the daddy?" game.
2. I love all the cuteness on RMPW ep10, but I was screaming to the screen when I saw both of them unable to say how they feel in those final minutes of the ep. Moreover, I hope it won't be a final where the OTP is a apart till the last 5min, but it really looks that way
3. TTBY has being cute for the last couple of weeks. So I've decided to forgive them (like secretary Park in The Thousandth Man) and accept that it is not hanakimi, but something else.

Well, I'm sure I'll have more to say later, but that's it for now

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Gah, RMPW. I knew it was going to turn out like that - KNEW IT - but I was still so frustrated I wanted to cry. So help me god, the finale better be worth all the agony that drama's put me through.

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Werll, I know it is a jdrama, but still I always hate when any drama plays the "separation to grow" game, and being the OTP so awesomely magic together, It's hard to believe that both of them are still in the phase "I can't tell you how I feel about you"

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Exactly! I can understand why jdramas play this game: kdramas can afford to get the pairing together earlier and take it from there because they generally have, at minimum, 5 or 6 hours more screen time to work with. But ugh, it would have made so much sense if they'd gotten together an episode or two ago. Having them back out when they were *so close* is unbearable.

(But seriously, all the kudos in the world to Oguri Shun and Ishihara Satomi. They're so great together, they make my chest physically ache with how much I need this otp to happen.)

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"physically ache" is the right way to describe it. My chest tightens up whenever our OTP's in misery. As much as I was irked with the ending....from their individual reserved selves I kinda got it. She a low-confident senior in love with this brash yet socially awkward phenomenon who's 7 years her senior. And, he with his abandonment issues and a crippling medical condition just wants to see her face yet finds it difficult to come clean to her about his feelings.

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"physically ache" captures how I felt watching the same segment in Epi 10 as well. I was actually teary and had a lump in my throat and was almost screaming to both Hyuga and Makoto to "go, just say how you feel!"

I think they will, in true jdorama fashion, get together in the last 5 minutes or so, with him preventing her from boarding the plane to Brazil.

This would be reminiscent of the final segment of Hana Kimi (jdorama) where Oguri Shun was also the lead.

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Happy OT zgznonna!

I agree 100% on AM1997. I even fast forwarded through the father/uncle part (due to trying to sneak the episode in while I had company.) Agree about RMPW also.

I have to say that as much as I love cross-dressing pretend you're the opposite sex type of rom coms, I could not get on board with TTBY. It was so over the top unbelievable (did the all boy's school not check to see whether she was a girl first?) I couldn't really make it through episode 1. Might have to pick it up if desperate one day, though!

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Well, I love the craziness and quirkiness of the original HanaKimi and all the other versions. So, I was hopping for more over the top, and that's exactly what this version didn't give me.
And I was really curious about how the Koreans were going to approach it, since there are another 3 versions out there, and we have to admit they didn't do too well with BOF. Well, BOF was my second Asian drama ever, so I like it, but I acknowledge its limitations.

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Judging from how bad the movie "My Pet" with JGS was, I'd say the Korean adaptations are pretty bad. I had to go watch the Japanese version just to see if I could make any sense out of it, and I actually really enjoyed it.

I couldn't get past episode 1 of BOF (and never saw any original versions.) I can only take the suspension of belief so far and was disgusted that a bunch of obnoxious boys virtually ran the school. Should I be afraid that I will be ousted from the drama clan after such a confession? But I understand what you mean about it being your second drama and liking it. I feel the same way about Full House, and we all know what a mess that was!

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Agreed re RMPW. It was so awesome - right until the last few minutes of this week's episode. I really don't get what this pair's problem is. The 'you're stupid - no, you're stupid' scene, however, was hilarious.
I really don't want Makoto to stay with the research lab, however - she just has too much business potential for it to go to waste. :( I could accept her working in another company, as long as it's a job where she can use her entrepreneurial abilities.

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Hi Z!

I'm only watching RMPW on your list, but I was disappointed in epi 10. So close to the end, and yet Yoko got all the screentime with Hyuga.
JDoramas tend to be light on the skinship, but geez, she confessed in front of the building, he did the little-boy pout thing in the office lunchroom, and yet, not even a hug. [sigh] Rant over. I hope for better things this week, even though it's the last episode.

I also want to thank a certain jdorama subber (whom I won't identify in case the DCMA nazi's show up) for uploading beautiful english subs mere days after the episodes become available.

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I follow that much appreciated "certain subber" on twitter just so I can see when the episode is ready. With only the final episode left, I will miss RMPW, that's for sure! But it did leave me frustrated this week, as did AM 1997.

Speaking of RMPW, I do really like that main song. I don't think anyone's mentioned it, but it makes me smile when I hear it :)

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There's a couple of current shows with good OST. One I really want is Faith, which has some great instrumental music.

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Answer Me 1997 is one of my all time favorites. I'm planning to rewatch it all over again as soon as Ep 16 is out. I've only done that for one drama ever - My Name Is Kim Sam Soon.

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Answer Me 1997 is my drama crack for the year! I haven't had anything catch my interest in doing anything other than reading the recaps on this site but AM97-whoo..had to watch it from the beginning and I think I will also be rewatching it again.

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I started watching May Queen and I do love the child actors, but the ahjumma is getting old. I mean her behavior. They are showing too much of the same thing. Yes I get it, she is mean and foul-mouthed. how many times do you think I need to be told? we get it.
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and I am still annoyed at elders slapping youngers, parents slapping kids. crazy. outrageous. Dont the Korean broaqdcasters think it will eventually really hurt Koreas reputation? not so much the fact children get slapped or called bitches or bastards, but the fact bystanders aren´t stepping in to their defence?
argghh but seriously if the "mother" in May Queen wouldn´t be pregnant, I´d slap her back.

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Yes, that pregant woman in MQ seriously irked me. Let's see what will happen this WE with the grown up kids: Honestly it's them who interest me.

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I even fast forwarded her cause I felt like I had already seen that scene countless times before

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LOL. Do you think American broadcasters consider beforehand whether or not shows like Jerry Springer or Maury will harm America's reputation? May Queen is a drama (ie a fictional work) and I would think that most people can distinguish between reality and fiction~~

I personally love, love, LOVE May Queen, though I agree that the plot dragged at times. I think they should have slated for 6 instead of 8 episodes with the child cast.

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Hi fellow db'ers how has your week been?

Mine's been busy busy but I still made time for Arang and the magistrate (why do I love LJK so much? It makes it difficult to ignore a drama with him in it! ) and I'm thoroughly enjoying it and I don't even have the same adverse feeling to the Jade King's wig that a lot of people express feeling... I kinda like it... oops I said it.

anyways hope everyone's doing well :)

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Hi Min,
I'm growing lo like the infamous wig, mostly because I see the production team are having issued with it, and try to change it a little every week, and because the person wearing it is Yoo Seung-ho and I love that boy so much, that it's hard to hate it.

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Yes Yoo Seung Ho is so pretty I really can't see that the wig detracts anything from his pretty-ness- also it's so manga-ish it's fun :P

I still can't get over how he's the same little boy from The Way Home (i saw it less than a year ago so it's even more shocking) - I actually didn't like the little boy despite totally being prejudiced in favour of him since it's YSH! So he has acting skills since very young to make me dislike him :P

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I liked the wig in the first coupe of episodes. I hated it when they pulled it back all the way. It looked like a strange hair helmet.

But I agree, I enjoy the crazy wig!

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yes I don't quite enjoy the helmet look I like it when there's more flowy-ness (not a word) to it.

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I want the hair down and flowing too! lol

I'm really enjoying Arang, although I'm still worried for Eun Oh's state of mind when he finds out his mother is Queen of the Damned. Or how Arang will feel about it.

And is it the fan than can kill the Underworlders or Eun Oh himself? Such questions such questions.

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I thought they were the same woman briefly when she was first introduced but that didnt last long I dont thin thats who she is

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Are you sure? I thought they were the same actress. Now I gotta rewatch (no hardship of course).

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I think they are the same, too! BTW, good to see you on the OT, JoAnne

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I think they are the same actress but ***maybe spoiler alert*****

I think that her body was taken over by Mu Yeon. I think that because Eunoh's mom was so filled with hate that the Muyeon lady devil made a pact with her so she took over the body but promised to do something to the person that discredited her family.

I think that's why she needs to know what Arang wants... If she knows what Arang wants then she can make a deal with her and keep Arang's body.

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Happy OT to everyone~!

I was just wondering, for those who have seen it, what do you guys think of "Nice Guy"? TBH, I really enjoyed the first and second episodes. Both actresses carried out their roles decent enough, but I loved Moon Chae Won's "bitchiness with purpose". But omfg, SJK, he was really really good. When his eyes acted dead, you almost wanted to knock on his head and say, "There is a soul in there, right?" Although it half scared me, I think that it's really good. C:

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Maybe my expectations were too high, but honestly, I was underwhelmed by the 1st episode of "Nice Guy". Mostly because I would have wanted for the characters' motivations to be better established before the 'bad stuff' happened. I mean, why would the H have gone as far as he did? I would have wanted to know him a bit better at that point in order to be able to sympathize with/understand his sacrifice. On the other hand, if I were to regard the first TWO episodes as a unit -- much better. And a very promising beginning indeed. I'm totally fascinated by MCW's character and of course SJK's (I didn't know this actor very well before but omg, I'm totally fangirling on him now).

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Just had to say hi to my Amazon thread friend. Fancy "seeing" you here! ;)

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LOL, Rashell, whatever gave me away? ;P Surely not my completely common and not in the least odd screen name...

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Ha! Mines just as mysterious! LMAO!

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Hi Adnana :) I understand the feeling of being underwhelmed when promos have built up your expectations from an upcoming drama. Hate when that happens. I took the other route and had precisely 0 expectations for Nice Guy despite thinking SJK is a more than decent actor (and a cutie pie to boot!). So I was actually pleasantly surprised. *SPOILER* I liked that they jumped right through his prison time to a year after when he was all soulless and sexy. It made me want to find out what happened to him. I wanted to know whether he was still in touch with his sister and whether she hated him for what he did on behalf of his noona gf. *END SPOILER* I thought that [for those like me who didn't really expect much] it was a solid opening and left me biting at the bit for more.

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Happy PT everyone....2nd yr med school exams whooping my ass so I have had no time to watch kdramas....but four day weekend is coming up so m gonna binge on kdramas...really excited about Nice Guy....but m gonna wait for a couple of episodes to come out...cuz I feel like this gonna be my new crack...
I find that lately I have been watching more of the newer k dramas vs d older ones...I don't y...it's just happening this way...anyone else noticing this?????

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Hi fellow med student~ :P hey i'm your sunbae! lol I'm a 3rd year :)
so my dear hoobae,
Yes I'm also only watching the newer k-dramas - and perhaps it has to do with the fact that there's just no time to go back to the old ones when such good new ones are airing! perhaps in a drama lull I'll go back to the old ones...

in regards to Nice Guy- I think I'll save it for a later time- it promises an extra helping of emotional pain and I can't handle that on top of studying and exams >_< I think I'll just stick to Arang which has a fair share of comedy interspersed with the scary.

Aja, Aja, hwaiting! YOU can whoop the exams!

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AAAAAYYEEEEE my fellow med student....
I have to agree that the newer ones r stepping up their game plus med school is slowing squeezing out more n more of my free time...plus with regular American tv starting soon....so much good stuff, so little time....

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Hello everyone :) just wanted to ask for your help (couse there are so many K-drama experts ;) - do you know any big stereotypes of Koreans' behaviour? I wonder if any Korean actions in K-dramas can be called stereotypical (but in reality not true/ true)?
Maybe you know some stereotypes? Even a few words would really really help me :)

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I know Simon and Martina of eatyourkimchi did a neat video on Aeygo in dramas vs. real life. http://www.eatyourkimchi.com/aegyo-in-korea/
Poke around their site and you might find more :)

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thanks a lot. they do share some very interesting info. :)

And in real life, are there any stereotypes about Koreans and their behaviour?

I know some stereotypes about people from other countries, but I can't seem to remember anything about Koreans...

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Not sure about stereotypes of Koreans in Korea but here in America they are stereotyped as owning all the beauty supply stores and being racist (especially against Blacks).

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Are you referring to the LA race riots? And beauty supply stores? I thought it was dry cleaners and liquor stores, lol. I guess stereotypes depend on where you live. On the East coast, Koreans have a rep for being really competitive. On the West Coast, Koreans kind of have a rep for being superficial and cliquey (K-town). This is just based on what I've heard, and these are just stereotypes, mind you.

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I live in Atlanta and the stereotype is definitely beauty supply stores here. Incidentally, nearly all of the ones I go to are actually owned/run by Koreans.

As far as the racism stereotype, I didn't have the LA race riots in mind. It's just one of those things that I've always heard concerning Koreans (actually Asians as a whole). There has long been animosity between the Black and Asian communities. It stems from said dry cleaners/liquor stores/beauty supplies often being set up in Black communities and a lot of mutual distrust on both sides. That being said, I am Black and I frequent several Korean owned dry cleaners and beauty supply stores in low-to-mid income communities and I have been greeted with nothing but the kindest hospitality. Always warm greetings for me and even my little son when I have him with me. So, as we know, stereotypes and just stereotypes.

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Happy Friday to all!!! We will have 3 days public holidays & I already have so many plans!!! yay!!! But I'm still at work @10.30pm. FML

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With the crackdown of the website who provided AM1997's videos/subtitles , I'm so AFRAID I CAN'T WATCH its final episode...

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Fans will always find a way!

If you give me your e-mail, I will send you a link to a side, where subtitles are never taken down...

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Hi hanni12! Nice to meet you!
Would you mind to send me the link? Here's my email: [email protected]

Thank you so much!

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hihi hanni12,
please send me the link as well. Thankies!
email: peachwaffers(a)gmail(.)com

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here's mine: [email protected] Thank you!

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Can you send it to me as well: [email protected]. Thanks in advance. Will not share publicly with anyone to protect that source.

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I'm getting nervous seeing people asking for links even via email and forum PM these days. You'll never know who's who.

Maybe I'm getting paranoia but thousands of international fans, some of them with very crappy internet connection depends on those sites..

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Word.

It seems concerning giving out sites to folks who haven't been vetted.

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Well too late! One of those sites has been hacked just now!! just email the sub or upload em to your personal hosting..

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Morning OTers!

This will probably be my last time posting here for a while (and I just started last week! lol) because this is my last day at this job, and I'm pretty sure my new job won't immediately support my kdrama obsession, lol.

I'm SO BEHIND on dramas this week! Between my birthday, going away parties, rehearsals, and visiting family this week, I haven't had the time. I'm so looking forward to the weekend so I can marathon all of this week's episodes!

I did, however, watch Faith. OMG, I canNOT stand Eun-Soo. She is so irritating. I liked her spunk initially, but that got old after like episode 2. Ugh, so frustrating!!! I yelled at the screen for the entire episodes 9 and 10 when she came on!

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totally agree with you about eun-soo,this week's episode made me kinda mad at her. altough lee min ho's hotness somehow made up for it...hehe....totally fangirlying rite now..btw hab u heard da song "carry on by ali" from the ost...totally in love with dat song :)

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I've never been a huge Lee Min-Ho fan *dodges stones* although I did think he was cute with his mane of glory early on. But as soon as he got the slick ponytail, I went back to feeling blah about him.

I probably have heard Carry On, but I can't double check as this particular workstation doesn't have flash installed.

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hehe..... its k.... its all bout "personal preference" rite ;) .. carry on is the song that plays at the end of each episode,when credits start rolling in.

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oh, yes, yes. I like it. It's always stuck in my head for hours. I keep meaning to find it to download, but I always forget!

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I was never a huge fan either, but the warrior outfit and mane of glory did look GOOD. The ponytail - not so much. And I'm still up in the air about his acting.

We will just need some of those plastic police shields to block the stones!

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Yeah, I like Minho with wavy messy hair. NOT the JunPyo Curls of Death but, you know...Jungles of Thailand City Hunter Hai