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Shin Hye-sung – “12월의 끝” (End of December) [ Download ]

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Happy Friday everybody!

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I just returned from an extended holiday in the Swiss mountains with my parents. Can't say I'm unhappy to be back home. But I might be this Monday, when I have to go back to work ... anyway, now I'm off to buy a new WLAN Router - so that I can download KDrama at lightspeed in the future ^^

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Happy Friday!
Holiday in Switzerland - some people are lucky!

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haha, I live in Switzerland - and my parents live in the mountains.

I had to go feed sheep every day at 5 (they belong to a neighbour) because my 3.5 year old daughter is totally crazy about sheep. She even hugged and kissed them! After the 10th feeding, I was so fed up with sheep, I only wanted to go home to the city and see cars and trams again. haha.

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So how about an episode of Shaun the Sheep for a break? ;)

No matter how I look at it, holidays in Swiss mountains would be great, even if I had to feed sheep. Imagine I got my skiing set two weeks ago and the very next day the snow started to disappear. And I won't be able to travel till February, huh.

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yes, at least there was snow.
I'm confident there will be loads of snow everywhere in February. It's been that way for the last two winters, no! :)

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Happy Friday and Happy New Year everyone!!!! I have a question, and here it is:

Javabeans said about the end of the year awards (at least the ones from the three main broadcasting stations) that there are mostly about politics, and I am curious about that and I would like to understand it better. Another blogger compared it to a company giving prizes to the employees that made/brought the biggest sale numbers, aka ratings.

My understanding of politics (in a company) is that the one doing it is trying to get or stay in someone’s good graces (in case you need a favor later), and calculating for things that one might need later. As such (if my understanding is right), in whose good graces are the TV stations trying to get/stay in? Is it the production companies? The management companies (of the actors and actresses)? Is it the actors and actresses (who don’t work directly for the TV stations, right? So why is it that so important)?
****SPOILER****Also, is that the reason why in one episode of the King of Dramas, two of the workers (working for two different production companies) mention giving some end of the year gifts to the TV stations (because it is common practice? And what does that ensure or mean?)

I am not judging the process, I would just like to understand it. Thank you for any light shed on this.

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@Ivoire: Hello and sorry for being late! My 2 cents about the awards being politics:
Dramaland is a gigantic food chain: You try hard not to make enemies and you want to have as many "friends" as possible. Just to be kicked out of the game the later possible. It's pretty much what you see happening in palaces in sageuks (or in Cheongdamdong Alice or any elitist world). As Orion says often, it's a very corrupted world. For a channel, if you want to secure the next drama of writer X or Hallyu star Y, you give Awards. You know how people can be positively affected by flattery and gold does the trick... If you look at the filmography of the actors/actresses, you will see than most of them have a kind of "exclusive tacit" contract with 1 broadcaster, with the agreement of their manager of course. If all goes right, they stay. If the drama flops or they are badly treated, they go elsewhere. The big stars like to be part of a channel's Family cause it gives all kind of advantages (sponsors, media covering). The veterans play for everyone cause they need their paycheck.
Basically it's a power game: There isn't room for everyone. And yes, the little production companies have a hard time finding time slots (and keeping them). See what happened lately with City Conquest which was stopped abruptly midway. That's why bribery is so common. I don't even talk about disgusting practices like "promotion canapé" for the not so famous actresses who want to be hired. Huh!

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Hello Mysti and Bonne Annee,

I would rather have you show up late than not at all, so your apologies are totally accepted (and you didn't need to apologize, btw :-) ). I appreciate your response (and you are the only who responded so far, so I do appreciate that), b/c as I said at the end of my post, I am really curious about the process of giving awards and I simply want to understand (fully) the different implications and correlations. That, and the fact that this is one of the things highlighted in KoDs, really made curious.

As you might know, I don't watch a lot of dramas (when I do), however when I do, I like to understand as much of it as I can (if not every tiny detail if it is possible and it the writing makes sense).

I think I was a little confused b/c I always assumed that the actors/actresses worked for their management companies and no one else. I didn't see the correlations or links between the broadcasters and actors. Based on some of your explanations, could that be why Faith was picked up by SBS as soon LMH signed on to the drama (when no broadcasting station had picked it up until he came on board. As I remember, SBS picked up the drama rather quickly after LMH signed on). Could that have had something to do with CH having been successful for them the previous year? (and we know LMH was the lead in CH).

I think I remember that in KoDs, the 2 production companies (WP and Empire) were looking at what actors and actresses to pick for their dramas, and so was the SBC station, and I never understood why SBC was looking at actors as well (I wonder if that was what really happened, I will have to reread the recap or rewatch those episodes).

This is what I used to assume, and you can correct me if I am wrong: actors/actresses get signed on by management agencies (that can also be production companies, but not necessarily), which in turn find them (hopefully) good projects to star in. Once the actor/actress is signed on (accepts a project), the filming begins under the helm of the (or a) production company (with a PD and writer and all the cast and crew needed for said project).
As they film, the production company then approaches broadcasting TV stations with the hope of getting a time slot for their drama. Having a big name star makes it easier for the drama being produced to find a time slot due to the actor/actress's fame/popularity, good looks, etc... (I think I might have it backwards, the production company finds a time slot before starting filming, especially if they might need some of the TV station's lots to film in).

Does having a famous actor/actress also ensures some really good companies sponsoring the drama (and helping with producing costs) right off the bat? (it seemed so to me). I am assuming that the hope is also
that the drama will bring in high ratings that would ensure more TV commercials for the TV station and more CFs for the star(s) of the drama.

Then comes awards season: shows that did well (ratings wise) get a lot of awards and shows that didn't do so well but have famous actors/actresses (who can still bring in crowds at fan meetings for example) also get some awards, b/c as you said, one would not want to have any enemies and who knows, that actor/actress drama might do well next time? (So better not get on their bad side?) Did I get some of what you explained, some of what I have read and some of what I understood (watching KoDs,) right?

So, based on what you also said, giving an award to a writer (and producers of course or do they give them to producers at all? I don't remember) is also important b/c if said writer has a certain fame or success, they can more easily bring in an equally famous actor/actress on board? (and replicate that collaboration later, maybe?)

Also, it didn't seem to me that most actors/actresses had a tacit agreement with any of the major TV networks (main 3) b/c it seemed to me that they had "worked" with each one, at some point in their career (or would), so I wasn't aware of that tacit agreement.

Wow!!! That seems like a cutthroat world! I think when CC had to stop filming, it was blamed for having started filming without being sure of having a time slot or being picked up by a TV network, right?

I have heard about the "promotion canape" business. It was touched upon (skillfully, imho) in Dream High 1, resulting in the actress and singer (in the drama) becoming outcasts for a while. I have also seen reports of it on KBS World, and then there are pieces of news like this one (to remind us of how dirty and dangerous that world can be): http://enewsworld.mnet.com/enews/contents.asp?idx=12135
Can I just say that news like that give me tremendous pause?

Thank you again Mystisith for helping me understand. I like being an educated consumer. You also helped me understand why some actors/actresses get some top notch awards, when their performance that year was not top notch at all (imho), and also why a TV station can "fire" an actor/actress and then rehire her, ex.: http://koalasplayground.com/2013/01/03/kang-ji-hwan-starts-filming-the-incarnation-of-money-with-hwang-jung-eum-and-eunjung/#more-35149.

(Sorry for mentioning another blog here, I was just wondering if you knew about this)...

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Interdependency and "frenemy" relationships at their best. Mostly, giving Awards to prepare the next season instead of rewarding the last one: It's quite unique. About writers having a choice in the cast of their drama: I would say maybe the 5 more famous in the country have a word in this. For the rest, they are really treated like our poor GE in KOD: Working like crazy, being pressured by everyone. Fascinating world indeed but I wouldn't like to be part of it: I love my quiet life!
I think we can enjoy the greatness of that industry (some dramas are masterpieces for me) without being blinded by the pretty and the glitters. I read an article recently where a man (can't remember his job: Manager, Channel exec?) said they were doing dramas with older actresses lately not because they want to, but because beginners in their 20s were difficult to find: My optimistic self wants to believe it's because women won't accept anymore the unbearable conditions of the contracts (salary, sexual relationships with the decision-makers, low salaries and bad work conditions) and prefer to walk out the door.

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Thanks again Mysti,

Your comment elicited another question I had but forgot: that of payment. As reported here on DB, we (I mean I) now know for sure that actors/actresses in SK can have a hard time getting paid too. Do you know or think that men get paid more than women as well (like in the US)? And that maybe the younger, more popular "stars/idols" also make more money than the "older" (some of them could be in their 30s, but older than the ones in their 20s) "stars" and veterans?
That system is interesting to look into. I have to go get ready for work, so I will be back, hopefully before Sunday :-). You guys still converse here at least until Sunday, right?

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@Ivoire: About actresses being paid less than men. I don't have direct informations but we know than #1: SK is still a patriarchal society and 2#: The audience of dramas is mostly female and what attracts them (us) in priority is the male cast. Sad but true. Therefore I'm almost sure there is a big difference between men and women paychecks in Dramaland. I would like to be proven wrong tho...

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Hey again Mysti,

RE: difference in paychecks (along gender lines), you make some valid points, thanks! I too, wished you could be proven wrong. It's too bad women in dramaland are not as appreciated as men (and by that I mean that when it comes to dramas, they don't attract as much attention and excitement as the men do :-( ) They do have some really good actresses, as we well know.

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Mysti,
I hope you will get to see this. You wrote: "Interdependency and “frenemy” relationships at their best" in one of your responses. I was wondering, what did you mean by "frenemy" in this context, please? Thanks for answering if you see this.

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@Ivoire re the discrepancy between the salaries of actors and actresses:

The highest paid actor in drama history is still Bae Yong-joon for Legend at W250 million per episode. Song Seung-hun was paid W70 million per ep of East of Eden; Lee Min-ho W60 million per ep for Faith; Kwon Sang-woo and Park Shin-yang received W50 million per ep of Bad Love and Painter of Wind, respectively. Lee Byung-hun was paid W25 million per ep for IRIS, though his actual earnings reportedly added up to W100 million per ep if you include incentives like percentage of overseas sales.

Whereas Go Hyun-jung is the highest paid actress at W55 million per ep for Daemul; second highest is Choi Ji-woo for Star's Lover at W48 million per ep. I didn't find figures, but I'm sure Kim Nam-joo is also one of the top earners.

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/04/12/2011041200779.html
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2010/07/30/2010073000318.html

No, the idols don't get paid more, at least not in dramas (and anyway, their agencies get a big cut of their earnings due to unfair contracts, which is another story).

The more established stars still command the highest pay, I suppose based on their ratings record or perceived Hallyu drawing power. But I do agree that a salary cap should be enforced, so more of drama's budget could go into the production and not just one or two actors' pockets.

Btw I wouldn't worry about the big stars getting paid. It's mostly the the supporting actors/bit players/extras who get stiffed when the money runs out (and their salaries are small enough as it is).

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I forgot to add:

Jang Dong-gun got W100 million per ep for Gentleman's Dignity.

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@Ivoire: I use the term interdependency & frenemy cause everyone is bound to work together even if they don't like each other personally. You can appreciate a person who does well his job and still find him despicable in private life (& vice versa). Plus the business loyalties can change at any moment: Your Nemesis in the field can become an ally.

@melusine: Thanks for the numbers! "A salary cap should be enforced, so more of drama’s budget could go into the production and not just one or two actors’ pockets." Amen for that. There is obviously a problem in the sharing of the benefits. Everyone should be able to live from his work. I suppose than the in-kind gifts compensate a bit...

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Hello Melusine,

And thank you so much for your responses :-)! So informative. I kind of found it interesting that Kim Sun Ah and Ha Ji Won (considered top SK actresses) were not mentioned in the articles and it makes me wonder where they fall. Based on your info, male actors basically by and large earn a very big portion of the incomes in the SK entertainment industry.

Interesting also to me to see how quickly LMH managed to get in that elite group, considering that he became popular and famous only 4 years ago. No wonder Faith was picked up right after he decided to join the project, he does have star power (and that and the fact that he draws crowds, like during his trip to the Philippines recently), and that doesn't factor in all the endorsement deals he gets, from international and Korean brands. I also noticed that actors such as Hyun Bin and Gong Yoo were not mentioned, and HB is now considered an "international" star, with his last two movies making it to the Berlin Festival in 2011 (and he went as well) and Gong Yoo is an A-lister as well.

So Melusine, I don't know if you can answer (or know) anything about this: is the fact that big stars make big money the reason why many end up creating their own agency when they can? Kim Myun Min did it (he is in the King of Dramas) and Dramabeans reported it a few years ago. Hyun Bin and Shin Mina(sp?) are reportedly doing the same thing
http://koalasplayground.com/2012/11/15/hyun-bin-in-hosts-military-function-as-he-prepares-to-finish-military-service/
I think Lee Byun Hyun and many other stars have done so as well (Bae Yong Joon did it, didn't he)? And Kim Hyun Joong joined his agency, or something like that? If BYJ didn't create his agency, I think he is like a big shareholder or something like that.

I used to wonder why the top stars still did dramas, considering that the working conditions for movies are said to be much better. I guess if some of them are paid as well they are, plus the incentives they get when their dramas are showed abroad (SeGa was pre-ordered by 8 countries before they even started filming, and DB mentioned it here as well), plus the CFs they get due to said dramas, etc..., it is starting to all make sense now why every now then, they would do dramas. I am also thinking that it makes them popular (especially abroad) faster than Korean movies would. LMH became famous because of a drama, not because of a movie.

Do these stars get paid as well when they do movies? (I am just curious :-) ). Thanks again, Melusine, this is an interesting conversation... If I don't managed to answer today, I will probably do it tonight (California time, which is also the time posted on Dramabeans).

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@ Melusine,

I also thought the comment made by the producer when approaching TV stations to secure a slot for a drama (in one of the articles) was quite revealing and that was portrayed as well in KoDs, in one of the early episodes. Looks like the producers have their hands tied as well, to an extent and that it would be hard for them to bring about change, even if they wanted to.
I agree with you on the salary cap issue, it would be nice to see that happen...

@ Mysti, I will be back later (this afternoon or tonight, my time) to respond (I have to make lunch for the children). You said this: "I suppose than the in-kind gifts compensate a bit…," sorry, but what did you mean by in-kind gifts?

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@Ivoire: In-kind gifts: Meals offered by the leads/sponsors/fanclubs to the staff, clothes and shoes. Often it's expensive items than the crew people couldn't afford. As we say, "ça met du beurre dans les épinards."^^

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@Ivoire

First of all, I meant disparity in my previous comment (NOT discrepancy - d'oh) when I listed the salaries of actors vs actresses. I didn't comment because the numbers speak for themselves. :(

Anyway.

CFs rake in the most money, way more than dramas or films. You get more advertising power by endearing yourself to the masses for -x- number of episodes. So from a profit-oriented pov, yeah, that's a pretty big motivation to keep doing dramas despite the not-ideal working conditions.

Hyun Bin got W30 million per ep for Secret Garden, but with his hefty share of the profits, the figure is probably closer to W40+ million. It's the CF deals after where he made a killing, to the tune of billions of won. So overall he earned more money than actors who got a higher upfront but whose dramas didn't become as popular. If he decides to make a drama this year, I'm sure his paycheck is gonna be considerably bigger. But I don't think his salary was/will be affected by the 'prestige' of having gone to Berlinale, nor is he considered an 'international star' in the press for having done so (of course it's different if you win an award like Jeon Do-yeon did at Cannes, otherwise being invited is not that big a deal). If anything he takes a significant pay cut to make those small movies for artistic satisfaction. It's actually a good business model - make a mainstream drama once in a while to stay popular and keep the paychecks coming, so you can do your small passion projects.

I wouldn't call Gong Yoo an A-lister yet (that would be people like Song Kang-ho, Jang Dong-gun, etc). It would be interesting to learn how much he got for Big (and if his asking price will go down after its flop; on the other hand The Crucible was a huge hit). And also, how much Cha Seung-won and Jung Woo-sung got for Best Love and Padam Padam after the debacle of Athena.

Couldn't find Ha Ji-won's salary for Secret Garden/The King 2 Hearts (I would guess probably around W30-40 million as well), or Kim Sun-ah's for Scent of a Woman/I Do, I Do. Surprisingly KSA only received W15 million per ep for City Hall, I thought it would be higher. I don't know if she lowered her fee voluntarily or she doesn't get offered as much money anymore because she hasn't had a big drama hit since Sam-soon.

More random info: Yoon Eun-hye received W40 million per ep for My Fair Lady. Shin Min-ah's salary doubled from W12.5 million per ep for Gumiho to W25 million for Arang, partly because of her CF Queen status.

As for Lee Min-ho's W60 million per ep, he just doesn't deserve that much (I'll add "quite yet" for his fans). His dramas post-Boys Over Flowers did solid numbers but weren't huge hits, and he's popular overseas, but doesn't command the export sales that say, Jang Geun-suk does. Which is why apparently Faith was the biggest commercial flop of 2012, not because it got the lowest ratings (it didn't) but because it gave the lowest return of investment compared to its budget. Check out http://vaultofdoom.wordpress.com/2012/11/29/the-yeouido-observer-007-leaps-of-faith/ for a more in-depth analysis - how the PD squandered 20% of the budget on 3D CG that never materialized; that Kim Hee-sun & LMH's salaries were 30% of the remaining budget so the crew had to cut corners in filming; that most of the cast and crew still haven't been paid a total of W1.5 billion gaaahh.

This Chosun Ilbo list is outdated, but it gives you a general idea of film salaries:
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2006/09/13/2006091361009.html

These days Ha Jung-woo, Kang Dong-won and Won Bin would probably be on the list. And Ha Ji-won and Son Ye-jin also command high salaries for film actresses. (Aw RIP Jang Jin-young)

Re stars' own management agencies: I suppose they do it to get a bigger cut of their pay (eliminate the middle man) and a bigger measure of creative control over their careers. BOF (/Bae Yong-joon) is doing enormously well, and so is BH Entertainment (/Lee Byung-hun). But not everyone is as successful.

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I don't mean to make it sound that Kdramas should just be about commerce and pandering to the mainstream. It's just that so many commodify it (advertisers, networks, agencies, stars themselves), and it's a shame that industry people look at it as "lesser" than film. It's a different medium, but as an artform dramas are the equal to films, and when it's at its best it deserves as much discussion as Park Chan-wook films and as much praise as the Mad Mens of the world.

It's been very enjoyable watching King of Dramas for a peek behind the curtain. And speaking of Kim Myung-min, I think he should stick to TV. He's a great actor whatever he does, but he's never as powerful and affecting as he is in long-form. White Tower remains his best.

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Thanks ivoire for asking the question and melusine and mystisith for replying. Very interesting to me too :)

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@ Melusine, Mysti (maybe) and Enz,

I just saw your answers and I am working today (long day, don't ask). I might be back later tonight (my time aka DB posted time) (it might be quite late) or early tomorrow morning, so please check back at some point.
Really liked the points made by Melusine, however I would like to explain why I said some of what I said, so I will be back, to say more. Thank you Melusine, for this conversation, I appreciate it.

And Enz, you are welcome :-)...

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Ok but the change from the excitement of 'time to feed the sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep' to the boredome of 'time to feed the sheeeee&^#(&#^p' made me laugh REALLY hard over there at the virtual pongmacha that Twitter has become.

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I snickered at the evolution, too! And got hungry when we discussed mint jelly...

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yes ... I'm very hungry, too!

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Kakashi!!

Haven't you left yet?? [grin] Where's that new LAN router???

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Installed! *zooooooish* (that's the sound of my Internet: superfast!)

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hey,can someone please recommend me a good korean movie?
or a drama.
I feel like i have seen almost everything i would want to.
I prefer Rom-Coms.

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Korean rom-com? Look no further than My Sassy Girl, bb! That is if you haven't already seen it.

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Happy Friday Kakashi!!!!

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Happy Friday and Weekend, Ivoire! I hope you are doing well.

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So far so good (I am doing a little better), I hope you are doing well too :-)

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I forgot it was Friday!

I'm in a neighbouring country to yours at the moment (small & also German-speaking), we've had ZERO snow and it's been the warmest I ever remember for this time of the year. Total bummer. I like the fun of going running in crisp snow at -10 C but nothing that this time, boohoo.

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alua~

Osozaki no Himawari ep 6 was subbed, it's good to see them again.

I plan on watching Ai to Makoto this weekend.

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I saw it! I saw it! Watched ep 6 the moment it came out.

I'm waiting for the DVD release of Ai to Makoto to rewatch it - it's coming out in April in the UK. I feel bad watching anything online that the UK distributor (Third Window Films) is releasing, because I really want to support them (they are small and awesome).

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ah! you mean that country even smaller than this country, in which they speak this endearingly funny type of German? Or the country bigger than ours in which they speak an even funnier German? :-)

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I don't know if this country is bigger than your country... (permanent expat here that knows embarrassingly little about this place).

Depending on who you ask, everyone speaks funny German, no? But it's the country that beats everyone at skiing and ski jumping (well, apparently this year is crap) and still has a proper coffee culture. :-D

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ah - your country is bigger than my country, now I know where you are :) I thought you might be in Lichtenstein.

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wow. That would b my dream come true, to live in Switzerland and watch Kdramas. lol.

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hahaha, thanks, pillowhead. you're saying I'm having a dream life? ok, then :)

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y yes u do :D

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Hi Everybody!
I am sitting on pins and needles asking myself:
What is going to happen to Anthony? What does he mean with the kiss? Acceptance or farewell? WHY isn’t it Monday yet??

I am also curious about Cheongdamdong Alice. Jean Thierry Cha and his Doc are to die for. One a total hoot, the other cute and smart. It looks to me this drama could be extended just to show their interactions.

As for the upcoming dramas, I am not really looking forward to any, maybe except the one made by HotS team – Incarnation of Money. Seems to be the funniest one to come. Give me some good comedic show, please!

Other than that, I watched an old Polish film (1934), and imagine my surprise when a couple of characters – actors – talked about showing up at some events to promote their new film, hoping to stir up some gossip. The world of entertainment seems to be unchanged since then, doesn’t it.

Have a lovely weekend!

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totally didnt know that alice in cheongdamdong wasnt supposed to air last week. i was just refreshing my download page waiting for the link to appear... >.<

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I learned about it from OT, so I saved myself from quite a frustration :)

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ahhhhh!!!! it's almost January 5th ... *jumps up and down fanatically*

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Hello, guys!

I'm marathoning Baby Faced Beauty currently, which started last weekend when I was going through School 2013 withdrawal. What a fun drama! Totally becoming one of my favorites, but I've always been partial to wacky rom-coms... To give you an idea, Hana Yori Dango is like my favorite drama ever.

Also keeping up with School 2013 and King Of Dramas. I love that KoD can walk that fine line between humor and sadness. I can't wait until the last episode to see how it all ends. But I'll also be sad when it's all over!

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I love Baby-Faced Beauty, too. It is my go-to drama when I need a pick me up.

I have a feeling that King of Dramas is going to break my heart.

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King of Dramas is already breaking my heart. Way too many feels.

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I'm thinking recapping BFB this spring. I like recapping series that don't seem to have gotten the treatment, and that one was recco'd by the DB team. Daniel Choi doesn't hurt either. :-)

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Does he always sound like he does in School? Because that combination of of smooth and bored is ...umm...putting him on the noona wants list.

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His character in BFB is more sweet goofy puppy then the jaded teacher in School. So he's not really very smooth, but more eager a lot of the time. But it's Daniel Choi, so he's still insanely hot.

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Choi Jin-wook (his character) is now my favorite male lead ever. Every girl needs a Choi Jin-wook. He's not only hot, he's adorable and fun and funny.

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JoAnne, we always seem to wanna grab the same boys! I find his manner of talking strangely attractive too :)

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with the exception of your Jung Il Woo passion yep we do!

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hm. i haven't been watching School, but this strangley attractive talking is sounding very alluring. esp since both my QSS ladies r into it. :D

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oops. Joanne r u into QSS? I totally thought I was reading Korazy. haha. well, anyways, i do like the noona grabby hands, so Im still gonna watch School :D

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Pillowhead, see my post below.. I am not so into school 2013.. And I like Daniel choi's character best in the drama. Everyone else is kinda driving me up the wall. But lots love this drama so you should check it out yourself.

I still wanna know what happens to the kids in the end though so will continue watching

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Pillowhead - yep I did love QSS - I had no idea who Eric was and he was - oh that elavator scene - I have to stop

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Shukmeister, does that mean you understand Korean?

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Enz -

I know enough Korean phrases to amuse the noona that owns my favorite restaurant, but that's it. I'm self-learning Japanese, though.

I have just been looking for older dramas that people talk about, and I check to see if there is already a decent recap out there somewhere.

My first completed recapping project was 18 vs 29, which is from 2005, and has a few back-story cameos by a teen-aged Choi Siwon.

BFB has only 4 complete episode recaps that I can find online, and a lot of people have commented on it's cuteness. I wrote an experiment recap for the first 15 minutes where I 'novelized' the story. It was kind of exhausting, so I will probably just do the traditional synopsis and screen shot version. I'm not sure people are ready for mini-novels of over 5000 words per episode!

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Ah I see. Gosh, it's a real effort. I am so lazy that apart from working, gymming and dramaing and the basic necessities of life, I can't manage the energy for much else.

So, Shukie, fighting!

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Terima kasih, Enz!

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Sama sama Shukie !

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Ooh! When/if you do, could you post a link? I was just thinking it was a shame no one had really recapped it. I was thinking of doing it myself, but I doubt anyone would read it, lol.

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ladysarahii~

I'm currently watching Bratty Princess, with Jang Na Ra, comedy suits her. I'll have to check out BFB.

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John, you'll have to let us know when you start! She definitely has some very funny moments in the drama.

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Babyface Beauty and specifically Daniel Choi is so freaking adorable. And underated in my opinion, glad to see the love!

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Happy OT/New Year! ^^

It's been a good start of the year so far. LOTS of love for JYJ members--Junsu doing awesome with his end of the year concert and Yoochun and Jaejoong's winning drama award/s. Yay! :) I hope this year is even better for them!!!! (tour please! lol)

Haven't been watching as much dramas as I would like or more like there aren't that many good ones. Haha!

I'm up to date with School 2013. I like the storyline so far.

Great Seer is still going. Kinda stalled in some parts but the story is still interesting enough.

I watched the Fierce wife movie without subtitles. Got the gist of the movie but will rewatch after subs comes out.

Please.... next batch of dramas coming up in 2013---be good! ^^

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Hi CV
Can you provide link to the Fierce Wife movie? Tks!

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I found it on youtube under the name: The fierce wife final episode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfqOK7MfJjg

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I cannot wait till Jaejoong's solo album comes out, you have no idea how long I have wanted him to go rock. Seriously his voice was made for rock music. I hope JYJ comes out with an album preferably later this year that way I can possibly fly out to korea hehe.

Haven't been watching much dramas. I try to stick to my one drama live at a time and currently that is Cheongdamdong Alice, which I am currently loving but how much I love it will depend on where the story goes on from here on out and how they develop the characters. I am loving the acting and chemistry though. Plus I originally watched it for Moon Geun Young but currently developing a newfound love for the awesome sauce that is Park Shi Hoo.

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Jaejoong's solo album is going to be /rock/??!! Awesome. I can't believe I missed that bit of information xO Now I'm excited~

Park Shi Hoo is totally working that crazy role. I loved him in Prosecutor Princess, and I love him even more now *_*
Though I'm not sure if that's because of the actor or the character. Probably both, 'cause you need a kickass actor to breathe life into a character.

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Good Morning My Wondrous Beanies!

It’s back to work on the (F*ing cold) CT shoreline, but at least it was quiet and I could ease back in slowly. I like my job, but I really love being home.

So let’s see – since last week I haven’t *exactly* added any new shows, but I did marathon Sungkyunkwan Scandal in three days. I am wrecked for Geul Oh forever, I think. YAI is appealing in a general personality way to me with normal hair, but in long robes with long messy hair and that ridiculously patchy facial hair? A habit of swooping in to rescue damsels (and guys) in distress? Hiccups combined with general badassery PLUS social consciousness AND he read every book in the library? Oh my God, strike me dead. That boy was perfect. Loved the entire quartet, truthfully. Perhaps it’s just me…but honestly, Yeorim reminded me INTENSELY of G-Dragon. Anyone else see it? No? Just me? Fine. Along with the pretty we got a great plot and a lot of fun, and I’m completely happy. Plus, I never thought for a second that Yoon Hee had to live forever as a man. It seems pretty obvious to me that they were able to change things and everyone knows she’s a woman, but she’s been using the name Yoon Shik for so long it just stuck, at least professionally. And also (perhaps, again, just me) but was Yoochun like, the horniest horn dog in the universe over Yoon Shik? To the point that I wondered how he could, you know, walk around properly. Thank God for robes, I guess.

Current on I Miss You. Crime portion continues to be edge of the seat for me, still find pony-tailed partner hugely amusing, romance between Yoochun and YEH continues to make me smile like an idiot – because honestly, isn’t it funny how strong and sane she can be once she’s not in Harry’s twisted world? – and Harry. Oh, Yoo Seung Ho. I can’t hate you. It’s like Shunji in Gaksital – we totally know what you’re doing is wrong and yet we can totally see why you’re doing it and it breaks our heart. I think I clued in to the fact that Harry’s guy Harry was Han Tae Joo’s Secretary Yoon about 10 seconds before they made it completely fucking obvious to us that that was the case…but for a brief moment before that I actually thought – ooh, what if that guy is a figment of Harry’s imagination and he’s even crazier than we realized? That would have been fun. But honestly I’m LOVING this part of the series – as the full magnitude of Harry’s maneuverings is slowly revealed I just keep nodding my head and saying YES, of course, how did I not see that before? And grinning like a maniac because I love the little reveals. Also, it just occurred to me. Apparently Yoochun is just ALWAYS a horn dog in every role. He’s adorable at it, too. I wonder if he’s like that in real life?

Also current on CWGM? (Ki Joong omg you kill me, and squeeeeeeeeeeeee – baby!), School 2013 (wanna all just fly to Korea and kick the Principal’s ass with me?), King of Dramas (seriously, Anthony? Write down on a LIST ‘forget Lee Go Eun’ – why not just stab me in the heart with your pen? Siwon. You look better with short hair and the Good Lord knows that from the neck down you are walking perfection in every way, but your face is just…wrong somehow. Too smooshed in, or too long, or that short upper lip or something but I will just never swoon over you as a pretty boy like the rest of the world because I DO NOT SEE IT but whatever, your sad cow eyes and your willingness to look stupid make me fond of you. Plus the way you say Oh Jesus Christ.) WAITING VERY IMPATIENTLY FOR MORE CHEONGDAM-DONG ALICE, UNIVERSE. Still behind on The Great Seer, but not AS behind.

Music – I kinda love the Byul contribution to the IMY Ost and I play that a lot. Otherwise I’ve been on a Dalmation/Shinee kick for a bit. Happy that Nell’s coming out with something new.

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good "morning" to you too, Twitter-friend! I really need to go get that WLAN Router now. Seriously. Sometimes, I go "we're leaving now, okay?" for an hour or longer. But I'm leaving now!

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Hey girl! So you've discovered SKKS? I totally agree on Geol-oh and his swooniness, this is one drama that hit me HARD with Second Lead disease, which normally never happens, and also hit me even HARDER with Third Lead Disease (that Yong-ha!!!!!! I went in expecting nothing more from him than being a fun playboy, but he, alone of all the leads, made me cry. How does Song Joong-ki do it?!)

Not so fond of the main leads though - Yoochun gets a little better by the end of the series and is bearable once is character is allowed to loosen up, but Park Min-young plays Yoon-hee with (imo) this weird flatness that prevents me from ever really caring about her character. Yoon-hee is an awesome character but it's no Show and all Tell - too textbook somehow, like I'm supposed to love a girl who likes books and cross-dresses and is cynical at some moments and always nice to the less fortunate? And yet, I just can't. (the closest example in Western dramas I can think of is Lady Sybil in Downton Abbey - sweet and progressive-minded and rebellious enough to go for the wrong side of the tracks in romance......but utterly bland).

I'm always an episode behind on I Miss You as of OT-time, but so far, I like it. And I do agree on how much stronger Su-yeon seems with Jung-woo (even when she's not on good terms with him, as in the early part of the drama) than she is in that security blanket codependent relationship she had with Harry.

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I suppose Song Joong-Ki can just borrow from Yeorim and say 'How do I do it? Na, Song Joong-ki!'

He was GREAT and if it weren't for Ah In-ga...who knows.

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Hahahaha, Yong-ha is the Cheshire Cat of SKKS, if the Cheshire Cat could move you to tears. And he's even more fascinating because he's not one of the romantic leads - SJK just owned that role. (also, first time ever I've shipped a slash couple - GO and YH - over the main couple! Even if I do like Yong-ha's little moment with Hyo-eun and Geol-oh's fit of hiccups at the end with the Blue Messenger, lol)

YAI needs to be in a GOOD drama, like, last year. I'm just glad SJK got a half-decent one to prove his leading man chops in.

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I like your thoughts about Siwon. I looked and some pictures and noticed that he often covers his face with his hand. His mandible is a bit too long. Good thing his management didn't make him have a surgery, which is a common one, apparently. He won my heart with his Hyun Min portrayal.

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First time poster here...

Speaking of the way people look in KoD: this is driving me bonkers, and I don't know any other Kdrama fans to see if anyone else sees it.

Is it me, or do L (from Shut Up Flower Boy Band) and Oh Ji-Eun from KoD look and move like they could be brother and sister? Everything from the way their teeth show between their lips when they talk, to the curve of their cheekbones, and the angle of their eyes. Aaaugh I can't stop seeing it!

Anyone else see it?

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YES - I kept wondering where I knew her from and I haven't seen her in anything. It's HIM totally - oh thank you for saving my sanity!

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Hahahah awesome. I was having the same deja vu feeling you were, until it occured to me--and only then because I just finished marathoning SUFFB a few weeks ago. Thanks JoAnne!

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You're right! I didn't see it before but I see it now.

And I think the lead girl in CWGM looks quite a bit like eun hye. Anyone else thinks so?

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Enz - you, me and the Korean media, lol - to the extent that she herself felt the need to apologise to YEH for getting the comparisons.

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But now I think she looks more like Suzy bae.. The lips are what they all have in common.. Glad that I am not 'seeing' things..

Btw, there is no need to sell jgs's smile.. It's pretty adorable and anyone would be able to see it :)

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I marathoned 5 episodes of School 2013 in one morning and now I've caught up. It's soooo good.

That's the only drama I have caught up on (there are others things I thought I would watch during these holidays, and there's still Cheongdamdong Alice which I've pretty much ignored since episode 2).

Someone (I think Enayra or some similar name) on the OT last week recommended Pride (J) and ohhhhh! it was so lovely I had totally marathon it. Loved the OTP. The only thing that I wasn't happy about was the female lead made excuses when her boyfriend hit her. She should have dumped him then, or sued him when he threatened to sue (not giving away the details here).

Finally an episode of Osozaki no Himawari (was fine, though I can't stand the nurse and wish Jotaro hadn't fallen for her, and I'm also worried Junichi will do something stupid with Nikaido's sister. I don't care for the sister - if she is not happy in her marriage, she needs to get out of it, not cheat - but Junichi is such a sweetheart that I don't want him to do anything bad!).

Miss Rose finished this week... let's just say I'm glad it's over. Final episode was plain lame, with 5 minutes of wedding and the rest pure nonsense. Couldn't even enjoy the happy ending because I'm not buying that Vivian finally saw the light and that whole Yi Chun twist was just ridiculous. Only an idiot would commit a crime that lands in prison for several years to 'win' his girl over. And what's with Si Yi going to thank the fortune teller? (Or even the extended 'Be happy' conversation before Vivian's wedding? Fine, be polite, send the girl a card, but torture yourself by seeing her just before the wedding and pouring her heart out for 15 minutes? Come on!!!) And the joke that Si Yi's family played on Si Yi at the end... who would do that, after all the heartache she had for weeks and months?

Trying to remember if I watched anything else, other than re-watches of individual episodes of dramas I already know...

Anyhoo... sort of looking forward to Flower Boy Next Door (sort of, because, unfortunately I'm hesitant about Park Shin Hye ever since Heartstrings - she'll have to win me over again), and definitely looking forward to a number of J-dramas, including xxx-holic (only in February).

Is it too late already to say Happy New Year? Happy New Year in any case :-D

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ooh I cannot wait for FBND! Park Shin-hye can be very, very good when she's on form, and none of the Flower Boy dramas have ever disappointed me, so I'm optimistic for her portrayal of a hikikomori (or whatever the Korean word for them is).

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She better be. I didn't mind her in that drama with Jang Geun-sook (can't remember the title just now), but Heartstrings just irritated me to no end, and her character was a definite part of that. I know it shouldn't rub off onto the actor, but somehow it did...

I loved Shut Up Flower Boy Band, but was never able to get into Flower Boy Ramyun Shop... (never did give it a second try).

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I also loved SUFBB, and didn't watch FBRS. Something about the guy in the poster turned me off.

I'm watching Joseon Xfiles now and loving it! thank the Jade Emperor for JavaBean's recaps cause some of the episodes are pretty sureal. I have to watch it then read the recaps then watch it again. Anyway, Kim Ji Hoon is a hottie, so I aprove of him as the next flower boy. :D

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Yeah, I do agree that SUFBB >>>>>>>>>>> FBRS, and definitely better on the eye candy score (pun not intended!)

Heartstrings was just about ok, as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't watch it again, but I didn't really mind PSH there.

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AND WAIT A SECOND DID YOU SAY THEY'RE MAKING A DRAMA OF XXXHOLIC?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**hyperventilating from fangirlism**

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Yes.

And Sometani Shota is in it!!! He's going to be sooooo good.

See Himono's post about J-dramas coming up... (xxx-Holic is at the very bottom): http://himonotales.wordpress.com/2013/01/02/dramas-galore-to-begin-the-year/

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I am one of the worlds' greatest fan of of xxxxholic. supposedly the drama is starting in febuary, I cannot wait.

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*joins the squeal party*
1....2....SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Yep, it definitely helps dealing with the wait.

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JoAnne~

‘forget Lee Go Eun’

Agh, she was crying, I was crying, so sad.

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John -

Not just that, but her tears fell on the watermark his tears left when he wrote it. I just LOST it at that point.

And then again at the tearful kiss when you see her just reach out to the scared and lonely boy in his eyes and - oh my God. I'm at work. I will not cry.

damn it. Too late.

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Wait wait wait!
LOVED THAT PART!
Here is the good part about their tears: They blotted out
"Forget Lee Go Eun," rather than crossed it out as a fait accompli.
After hers hit, you could barely read it.

The kiss was perfect.
Why can't this show have a second season?

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oh nice - that was a good touch.

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Watched that part like 5 times now.
Loved how their mingled tears blotted out that entire line, and the one-armed embrace as they kissed was so perfect! He didn't grab her face (like so many other drama kisses), and it meant she had to hold on too. Woot!

Of course, he was holding on to his briefcase with the other hand. He is still Anthony, after all. ;-)

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@Shukmeister
*sigh*
So much story happened in that kiss.
He will always be our Ansonee.

The romance was NOT the main point of the show, but the way they constructed their enemyship to begrudged respect to admiration to caring to partnership to not-be-able-to-live-without-you puts me in awe of the writing and performances.

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Jomo -

I agree. KoD was great in that we had special little moments and cute communication between our canon couple and the seconds by Episode 2, and it just continued right through to the tearjerker epi.

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I was gone at the part with the scarf too ; ;.

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IMY ep 14, 15, 16 & 17 It doesn’t matter what the issue is, the issue is always control.
I've been overtaken by this kdrama dope for the past two week. Just like the characers in IMY with 2 identities, I feel like 2 different identities too- one who watches IMY and the other who watches all other kdramas.

I confess to turning a cheek to Harry’s bad behavior in hopes of a change of heart on his part. Maybe those eyes-which I had hoped would radiate love and care, but in truth laser the darkness of dastardly deeds-made me look for the good that wasn’t really there. My bad for ignoring all the signs over the false hope of someone changing (who has no intention of changing). Like you, JoAnne, it is hard for me to hate Harry. I have a great heavy heart for how his life turned out. But he is sick, unsafe, and filled with bitterness and hatred. The scarry thing, I know someone near and dear that is in a relationship where it doesn’t matter what the issue is, the issue is always control. That is a saying that rings true in relationships, like Harry’s and Zoe’s.

Three cheers for the scene (ep 15, I think) where JW appears in a matching red scarf, one of many ways where his actions say, “I’ll move in close at a pace that you can handle and accept, even if I would like to move faster. Even if I can see where you are, you aren’t there yet and I can’t force that view on you. But I know you will see clearly, soon.” Love the "horn dog" comment, yeah. Yeah.

16 and 17 are heavy. IMY is heavy and I'm feeling the weight of it all.

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Owl -

What you notice in JW happens over and over again. He never, ever, ever forces himself on her. He puts himself out there, but he watches for her cues and he follows them. Sometimes that hesitation is so brief that we could almost miss it - but I cannot think of a moment when Adult JW made a move that Adult SY didn't sanction in some way. Even in the early moments when the emotional turmoil of admitting who she was almost overwhelmed them, and it could so easily have been him just bulldozing his way through to her - there was always SOMETHING from her that he would always wait to see before continuing. And in the moments when she did reject him, he stayed near. He regrouped, he offered less, he took her terms. Always.

I hadn't yet seen the final moments of Ep 17 when I was writing my comments initially this morning. I knew that the point was coming when Harry would take one step that would just horrify me and we've hit that point.

I think that choosing YSH for the role in particular - because, you know, that FACE. The NOONA LOVE. And then letting all his moments up to now be something you could say 'oh, well, of course...' - those choices went a very long way toward making THIS Harry so terrible.

Because we really hope he's not, you know? Does anyone watching hate Harry? How could they, if they know his story? We hope he is redeemable, just like Su Yeon hopes. Not because we want him to be with Su Yeon, necessarily - but because he is a human being, and he was treated terribly for no fault of his own. Just as it is for Su Yeon, our realization that he probably can't be saved is slow and particularly painful.

Those 3 kids were each stuck at that point in time, 14 years ago. It's been a leit motif throughout and they made overt mention of it in this episode. Su Yeon and Jung Woo are moving forward from that moment. Harry is still stuck there, and it's going to destroy him. I wonder who he's going to destroy along the way.

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I don't think there's anything that can redeem Harry in my eyes after ep 17 where it was revealed that he's framing SY as a serial killer. Omfg. I've predicted a lot of the plot twists in this drama before they happened, but I didn't see that one coming, and I didn't see him killing JW step-mom.

I'm so nervous for the end of the drama, there's only 3 episodes left, and I so want that happy ending for JW and SY, but I just don't know if it's going to happen... D:

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That's where I decided it was too late for Harry. But a tiny part of me hopes like hell I'm wrong.

How about that moment when he turned and looked at the camera - knowing that Su Yeon was watching from the Bat Cave of Insanity - and said 'You shouldn't have said that?'

Because the look immediately before that dead look was worry over Su Yeon's having heard. Reconcile that with his decision to frame Su Yeon, which was made BEFORE the conversation with the step mom even happened. and he TAPED it. Oy. Oy oy oy. Shivers.

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'this is your punishment for not ever having loved me, even once.'

to borrow from the great dokko jin - heartbreaaaaak

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^kind of torn between wanting to hug the boy and wanting to shake him till his teeth rattled, when he said that. It's sad because SY always had more people who mattered in her life, and now she has them back, but he has no one at all unless you count Real Harry aka Secretary Yoon.

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OK, I finally got done with IMY 17 and good god this show is not short on thrills......though Harry is even crazier than I thought.

And wtf he knew all along that Su-yeon's rape was collateral damage from the kidnapping masterminded by his mother? And didn't forget it from the trauma of that day? And then killed Horrible Nurse so SY would never find out? And now - knowing all that - is FRAMING HER FOR MURDER BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T LOVE HIM BACK?

I'm sorry for him, but I mostly want him to die in a fire now. And let's not even start on what'll happen when she finds out he's responsible for Detective Kim's death, too. I can't say I hate him yet, because poor baby is so tortured and certainly a crazy, but god am I close....

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HJW being described an adorable “horn dog” which is a term not commonly used here in Australia. It is quite apt, nevertheless.

3 instances (more if you care to recall) that come to mind to support this analogy:
Suggesting cheekily to LSY a hotel room for accommodation giving the impression that he would go there too….and adding after a little intentional hesitation that the room was just for her and that he would sleep at the police station
Cheekily offering to check LSY’s window to ensure her security as if hinting to sleep in her room and cheekily saying that he expected no chance of sharing her bedroom

In episode 17, the bedroom scene shows LSY kiss fondly and lightly the dozing HJW. At their age, both sure were awkward with each other. What? Was HJW medorthophobic when he jumped off to one side? However, when he apologized to LSY and embarked on chanting his multiplication mantra to calm himself, I realised what was going on. LSY’s Mum happened to barge in and overheard HJW. Her comment is a drama device to tell us how cute he was. She commented that he was naïve (vicki.com’s translation) thoughtfully kind (Chinese translation). I missed the Korean version. So, HJW was being naïve, sensitive and thoughtfully kind because LSY had been a rape victim. LSY was behind patting his back appearing as if she thought HJW was adorable.

You tend to get the impression that HJW has been inadvertently healing LSY with his exuberance, humour and his “horn dog” mentality while keeping his appropriate distance. (Please see Joanne’s post above which aptly describes HJW’s interaction with LSY who must have found him adorable. We can see that HJW has been making LSF laugh more and more.

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yeah, this is not the first time Jung-woo has been in a somewhat unexpected intimate situation with SY and been adorably awkward about it - remember the moment in episode 11 when she came to see him in the hospital and surprised him coming out of the bathroom with his shirt off? Jung-woo is still reacting the way his 15-year-old self did to being romantically aware of her, and it is adorable. Even their kiss this episode was a direct callback to the bus kiss when they were 15, with JW being the one who was (seemingly) asleep this time and them both being awkward afterward, lol.

I think SY's healing really began with her being able to truly laugh again, and literally the first time we see her do that is when she's watching JW and his partner - Jung Myung, I think?- horsing around.

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Here's a CherKell Recommended Must-Watch™ for your list: Yoo Ah In and Joo Ji Hoon in "Antique." Hot guys running a French bakery in Seoul? OMO OMO OMO SWOON SWOON SWOON!!!

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How could you fail to mention Kim Jae WOOK??????

And that other guy, the big dumb guy was a little bit hot too.

This movie is, at the very least, a TRIFECTA of hotness. Plus the story ain't bad and it's gorgeously filmed.

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Oh yeah, Big Dumb Guy -- Choi Ji Ho!!! Whatever the heck happened to him, ne? And the actual French guy wasn't a slouch either... darned if I can't remember his name right now.

But I have that Severe Mental Block over anyone else with the name 'Wook' in it, remember? Don't want to make My Precious jealous. :P

Welp, I've just secured my Watching Schedule for the nanosecond I get home from work today. There's nothing like revisiting the 'classics' early... and often. RAWR. ♥♥♥

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Okay, intrigued and I've spooled "Antique Bakery" in my watchlist.

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And I completely forgot to mention that Noona Killer Yeo Jin Goo played the younger version of Ji-hoon's character Jin-hyuk. Damn, that boy has been around forEVAH!

Army Abs, chingus. Army Abs will be ours for the taking come the end of April 2013. W00T!!!

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@clerkell: is there ANY senior-generation hottie (aka people it is ok for me to perv on because they are adults) whose younger version Yeo Jin-gu hasn't played? Lee Jun-ki, Joo Ji-hoon, Kim Soo-hyun, now Yoochun.....

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Ridiculously hot and scary, too in parts.

KJW played the shit out of that role.

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He sure DID, that alien beautiful boy.

That face would make angels weep. It's sculpture.

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Speaking of which, I need Kim Jae Wook to come back from military service already.

(and then please finally play lead in something, he's only been in supporting/second lead roles so far and Mary Stayed Out All Night was such a waste of him - and of Jang Geun-seuk and Moon Geun-young, but KJW is the topic here)

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I know. We all such high hopes for him in MSOAN and they effed with his character and it was so hoRRible.

He had a teeny tiny part in Dalja's Spring that I wanted to screen cap and post on my wall, but I restrained myself.

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SKKS was the first show that destroyed me.
I didn't spaz too much about the OTP. but ached for
Yong ha and Jae Shin.

ACHED like a big throbbing toe all over.
Each of the six times I watched it.
That was so unfair to have SJK touch YAI at all, but when SJK's hand wiped YAI's lips I think I yelped.
Each of the 100 times I watched it.

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Happy Friday everyone! :)
It's been a looong time again since I last visited.
I've just started on IMY, and I'm still about to watch episode 5. I'm trying to space the viewing of this drama's episodes and watch Gentleman's Dignity and Reply 1997 in between, cuz it's just so dang heavy! My heart can only bear so much weight and my eyes can only take so much crying. I'm like crying every 5 minutes or so.

AGD... I love JDG! :D

Oh, and Happy New Year too! :)

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I just want to swoon over JDG along with you *swoon*.
IMY's very description put me off effectively - dislike dark-and-heavy shows.

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Haha! I just hope Cha Seung Won would forgive me on this one... JDG's a hot ahjussi! :D *swoon* *swoon* *swoon*

I almost gave up on IMY after ep3. It felt like my head was going to explode from that one. I had to degauss my thoughts after so that I wouldn't dream about it when I sleep. I even prayed that I don't dream about it. The kids were so dang effective in their acting that I stared at empty space for a while after watching it. But there's no stopping once you've started. I heard that things will get lighter later on, but I'm really disturbed by the sneak peeks about the grown up pair.

I love Yoo Seung Ho too much to stop watching IMY. *sigh* Love can make you cry. :P

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I don't watch shows that want to make me cry no matter what. Even if one of my favourite actors is in it, I just stay out. I am definitely into dramas such as AGD. All the more so if they revolve around characters like Kim DoJin *swoon*

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İ don't love IMY, definiteliy I don't hate it but for some reason I can't stop watching it.
even though everyone cries buckets it doesn't make you cry(except for the obvious early part)
it has many warm moments as well, the romance is surprisingly cute (in a similar tone to young actors' portrayal) found families instead of 'real' ones always warm my heart, su yeon's healing process, jung woo's partner, detective kim(for the early part) definitely father's daugter eun joo(despite the non existent screen time)...
there are a lot of things to like...
but harry, his terrible revenge plan, unclear motivations, jung woo's parents, harry's mother, the crime sequences are all terrible...
maybe dramma should have been all about suyeon's past ghosts, her healing, and harry always being there for her, jung woo being loved, hated unforgotten first love...oh well...
as I said I can't love it and I can't stop watching

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Really? You find Harry's motivations unclear? I don't in the least. Nor the motivations of Jung Woo's parents, or really, anyone in the story. I totally understand the reactions I'm seeing, given the story I've seen, and that is especially true for Harry, Su Yeon, and Jung Woo.

There are moments when we are given a tidbit LATER that let me go back and re-evaluate a moment but it's never been a 'well that was stupid, they should have said that earlier' kind of thing. It's always an 'ohhhhhhhhh....didn't see THAT coming' kind of thing.

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There's tons of light and cute between Jung Woo and his 'lover', between Jung Woo and his partner, and between Jung Woo and Su Heon/Zoe.

Even so, the overall tone and plot of the drama are quite serious. Not as in your face as the first 3-4 episodes but - there's no getting away from the knowledge that a happy ending is very, very iffy.

Very iffy. And yet I will be watching, glued to the edge of my seat, hands clutched together over my heart - not for sadness only but also for the twists and turns of the action.

and then I might watch it again, to see how much earlier I might have picked up on things that are only now being revealed, late in the run.

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It did got a bit lighter after episode 4. You're right, the cute is definitely back. But I'm feeling so emotionally manipulated by the drama for making me laugh now after putting me through pain. Not that I don't want to laugh after the pain. I don't cry with the characters anymore - they cry, I just watch. But the cute moments get me. It sort of a relief that after all they went through they try to live on and laugh.

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It sort of a relief that after all they went through they try to live on and laugh. ~ Izzie I feel that this is the point of the entire story in the end

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But with the glimpses of Jung woo with bullet in the head doesn't make it seem like so. It's all set for a tragic ending and who gets to live on - except for Jung woo - and whether that person who survives gets to live properly is still a question. Unless that bullet-in-the-head scene is just a dream or a fantasy.

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Izzie - I dunno - even if he dies it will not negate the bravery and strength of having made the attempt to live and I do not buy into it as having been futile based on result since the days when they succeeded exist regardless - you just have to accept that nothing is forever

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Hi there everyone and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Hope you've all had a good start to 2013.

Enjoyed watching 'Can We Get Married?', 'King of Dramas' and the Taiwan Drama 'In Time With You' this week.

As always liked reading the updates and recaps on DB.

Would really like a NY podcast from the Dynamic Duo-Javabeans and Girl Friday.

Anybody second that?

JB and GF, can we have a NY's podcast? Pretty please?

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You've made me realize I am an idiot. NY - why New York - I was thinking, when I realized it is New Year. On the other hand, my brother usually says Happy New York, so it was kind of right... LOL

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:)

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You are not alone, my friend. I did the same thing.

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I feel a little better, thank you :)

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Haha! I thought New York too, and though maybe I wasn't paying attention and Javabeans and Girlfriday had mentioned something about a visit to the Big Apple!

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Happy weekend and 2013!

I'm just popping in to wonder and gripe about why King of Dramas is getting such low ratings given how good it is ... the content and plotline aren't that offbeat so I don't know why it seems to have gone into mania drama territory. Is it just a case of it getting an online rather than tv audience or something?

If anyone's been following Korean reviews or knows how the ratings are computed I'd love more behind the scenes info.

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