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Flower Boy Next Door: Episode 13

We’ve spent this series hoping for Dok-mi’s healing and rooting her on toward reclaiming her interest in the world outside her room, so it’s downright rewarding to see her making such significant strides, even acting on her own now without the pushing from outside forces. We’re watching her grow into her own, and it’s a lovely progression—not just because she’s learning about herself, but also because she’s using that to in turn do a little pushing of her own, turning that encouragement right back when it’s somebody else who needs it more.

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EPISODE 13: “Should I dream a new dream?”

This episode starts with Enrique bouncing around his living room in a literal panda suit. Oh my god. This much cute and we’re only ten seconds in?

He shakes his big padded butt around and looks SO pleased with himself, dancing absurdly in front of the window for Dok-mi’s benefit. He does the whole finger-point-glare move he did the first time he caught her peeping… and then huffs in annoyance when he realizes she’s not watching. Her curtains are closed. Hmph!

He gets a call from a colleague back in Spain who asks when he’s coming back. Enrique insists, “There are things more important than animation!” and states that he’s staying.

He heads over to Dok-mi’s door still grumbling that she missed his big show, and it’s now that he sees the scary red “DIE” spray-painted on her door.

Dong-hoon tells Jin-rak that he left a note telling Dok-mi to check out their webtoon, which has Jin-rak shouting at him in outrage. Dong-hoon says he did it to help, to encourage him to keep trying because there’s hope—Enrique has to go back to Spain, and Dok-mi’s hardly going to be able to follow him there.

When Dong-hoon sees the graffiti on the door, he alerts Jin-rak about it and the boys all stand there worrying about Dok-mi. Enrique tries calling, to no avail. Then they’re joined by the security guard escorting prospective new tenants to see the apartment, though one look at the blood-red graffiti has them scurrying away. Y…ay? If we’re looking for silver linings, at least there’s that.

The ajusshi asks if they did it on purpose to chase off the tenants (thereby keeping Dok-mi there), and Dong-hoon says indignantly that they’re all reeling in shock… then concedes that both guys have been acting funny lately and might possibly have stooped that low. Ha. Jin-rak shoots him a look.

Enrique pleads to be shown the CCTV footage, only to be told that the security cameras are just hung there for show. Lol. Desperate to find out what happened to Dok-mi, Enrique enters using the guard’s spare keys and looks for clues—his first hunch is to look at her wall of travel spots or maybe track down her grandmother.

He finds the note informing her about the Flower Boy Next Door webtoon, and starts reading it. Feeling helpless, he sighs, “Ajumma, please stop running away.”

Dong-hoon wonders why Jin-rak is just standing there at the door, not entering, while Jin-rak makes a sad realization: That he knows so little about Dok-mi that he would have no clue where to even start looking for her.

Do-hwi arrives (on a flimsy pretext, as usual) though today she doesn’t stick around to inflict her presence on Jin-rak. She leaves a brunch basket for them and heads out, though she perks up right away when he calls her back.

But he addresses her in a harsh voice and points at Dok-mi’s door, asking if it’s her doing. Do-hwi’s genuinely shocked to see the graffiti and offended to be accused, saying that she may have lied but she isn’t that low. Which might be more believable if she hadn’t pretty much shown us that she is, in fact, that low. But she says that it hurt when Dok-mi told her she had considered their friendship enough for her, like that’s proof that she’s still a good person.

Enrique joins them and is just as angry at her, biting out that if Do-hwi felt hurt at those words, perhaps she ought to think of how hurt Dok-mi felt. Do-hwi leaves smarting from the dual contempt, and Dong-hoon chides Jin-rak: “If your love is important to you, other people’s love is important to them.” That’s sweet of him… but nope, still don’t feel bad for Do-hwi.

Dong-hoon chases her outside, and in his haste he collides with someone around the corner. It’s Enrique’s fangirl stalker, and she’s literally red-handed, stained from her smear job. He recognizes her from Enrique’s lecture and calls Jin-rak to bark at him to apologize to Do-hwi, since he’s caught the real culprit.

Enrique confronts the fangirl, who says defiantly that she did it. She speaks so fiercely that you’d almost think she were the one wronged here, rather than being the perpetrator. She quotes lines from Enrique’s old interviews about how making animated adaptations of his games is one of his dreams. And now there’s an animation project in the works, only he has declined to be a part of it. He’s got to go back to Spain, she insists.

He says that this isn’t exactly her concern, but says, “Why do you assume I’ve given up that dream?” Plus, there’s nothing that requires the dream to happen right this minute. Fangirl demands, “Is that woman that important?! I hate her.”

She… is crazy. Legit unbalanced in the brain. Fangirl storms off, (thankfully) missing Dok-mi on her way back, safe and sound after all.

Enrique sweeps her up in a hug and blames himself for the incident, apologizing for shaking her up. But Dok-mi looks quite fine about it, even smiling a little as she assures him that she even knows how to get rid of it, since this isn’t the first time she’s had to deal with something like this. She holds up her bag, armed with cleaner.

It’s touchingly sweet that it’s Enrique who’s rattled by the incident, and he asks if she can just erase the hurt to her heart—or the confusion she felt after seeing Jin-rak’s webtoon. “Why are you okay about seeing DIE written on your front door? Why are you used to this kind of thing? It’s upsetting.”

Dok-mi says she doesn’t want to bring him down with darkness. At least he dismisses that notion readily, and urges her to go to his hyung’s apartment while he cleans her door, not wanting her to have to read it again.

Aw, but Jin-rak’s already at work, painting her door. He, unlike Dok-mi, does blame Enrique for being the liaison to Crazy Girl and shoves him against the wall, threatening that he’d better not bring any more of this into Dok-mi’s life.

She arrives (having followed Enrique) and breaks the two of them up. It really is sweet that mostly she’s worried about Enrique’s injury from his car accident, and I think Jin-rak gets that. Which makes for an uncomfortable moment as they all stand there.

At her office, Do-hwi sobs while Dong-hoon offers words of sympathy, like how Jin-rak knows she’s not the culprit and is probably feeling really sorry right now. Her friends tell her to stop crying as well, part sympathetic but also frustrated at her one-track-mindedness in pursuing Jin-rak. One friend insists on outing the whole story now and blurts that Do-hwi’s liked Jin-rak for ages, back when he was Jae-won… and that’s as far as she gets before Do-hwi glares her into silence.

It seems like she liked him as Jae-won, not that she liked him because she found out he was rich. Okay, that is a little less low than I was thinking of her… which at least means she’s not a gold-digger, though she’s just as supremely self-absorbed and selfish as ever.

Enrique has taken over the painting of Dok-mi’s door while singing to himself. HAHA, this cracks me up (though perhaps only me): He starts out singing a Kim Dong-ryul ballad (“Like a Child”), which morphs into Koreana’s Olympic anthem “Hand in Hand,” and he has to stop and shake his head. Ha, they really do have the same melody. It’s a throwaway bit that feels like it was ripped out of my life.

He looks askance at Jin-rak’s door, knowing that Jin-rak and Dok-mi are chatting inside, and tiptoes over to try to eavesdrop. Enrique supposes this is what Jin-rak must’ve done and sighs at the way jealousy works.

Dok-mi apologizes for barking at Jin-rak earlier, and Jin-rak apologizes for reacting harshly, having forgotten Enrique was hurt. He also asks her not to let the webtoon upset her, saying that the story will be changing—he doesn’t want her to think of herself as his heroine Rapunzel.

She agrees, not agreeing with the similarity anyway—she isn’t Rapunzel, but the witch imprisoning Rapunzel, she says. She’s not pure and sweet like his heroine: “I’m the opposite. I’m dark and grim and sharp. I don’t love myself, or other people. That’s why I shut myself away and didn’t intend to leave.”

Jin-rak can relate, saying he knows that feeling. As a child, he’d hide himself away when his parents fought and thought he was incapable of giving people happiness, and blamed himself of being the problem. He worked for a long time at loving himself, “And I’m still working at it.”

When she leaves, Enrique cheerily presents her with the painted door. Inside, she reads up on the latest news of the animation project and flashes back to the confrontation with the fangirl, which we now see she witnessed. Ack, you’re not going to let guilt push him away, are you? I hate that storyline in everything.

Dok-mi shakes her head and tells herself not to overthink it, and to follow her heart. Phew for that, but the fact that she seems to struggle with the idea doesn’t bode well, does it?

Enrique presents her with his new “problem” of sending his luggage on to Spain and not having any clothes here (“Especially underwear!”), telling her to go ahead and restyle him to her taste. Cute. She’s thinking of more serious things, though, and asks what he meant earlier when he’d admitted to wrestling with difficult, complicated thoughts.

I suppose Enrique must on some level recognize that he’s giving up his dream project because he evades the question and talks in circles about tangential things, hoping to distract her from the conversation and deciding to take her to the zoo.

Dong-hoon packs his things, brimming with angry hurt now that he knows the full story about Jin-rak’s background. So he was really the son of a rich businessman all this while, was he? Did he enjoy acting the part of the poor loser while watching Dong-hoon, the actual poor loser? Dong-hoon had thought they were similar guys from similar backgrounds, putting their heads together to build something out of their ideas. But all this while Jin-rak was really Jae-won, famous in U.S. chaebol circles.

Jin-rak is chagrined, having intended on telling Dong-hoon himself, but also says that the stories have it wrong. Dong-hoon doesn’t want to hear it, though, pointing out that he had every single day of their acquaintance to explain things.

Enrique and Dok-mi head over to the bus (he’s so eager to show her the elephants, it’s cute) and he explains his habit of filming the world. He wants to infuse a sense of reality into his games, and so he films reality to get a sense of how to translate that to the screen. He encourages Dok-mi to give it a try, and she says she will.

Jin-rak stops Dong-hoon before he storms out the apartment, wanting to get the record straight. He clarifies that he wasn’t a chaebol, and neither was his father a businessman. In fact he doesn’t know how they got their money—only that every so often there was fighting and run-ins with the law. (I’m guessing some sort of gangster or loan sharking, then, which would explain the suited guys always out looking for him.)

That shadiness is why Jin-rak chose to study abroad, and on the plane ride to the States he decided he’d cut ties to his family.

But then Jin-rak’s father died and his older brothers came to him with official documents to disinherit him. That’s why he changed his name, and now he’s totally alone in the world, and totally empty-handed.

Dong-hoon’s anger mollifies somewhat, but he’s still hurt and says, “But you have a place to go back to.” He heads for the door.

Jin-rak stops him and says that if he leaves now, it’s over between them. Aw, it sounds harsh—and I’m fearful that ultimatums are just going to blow this thing up bigger—but he’s talking in desperation and adds, “I may have lost my hyungs, but I don’t want to lose my dongsaeng.”

He admits that he’s the one who envies Dong-hoon—he has a family that calls and nags him about what he ate, and drawing talent, and isn’t burdened with a one-sided love.

Dong-hoon drops his bag (yay) and turns to face him, advising Jin-rak to give up on Dok-mi if he wants to be rid of his one-sided love. He draws on an analogy he knows well, saying that Jin-rak needs a more realistic woman who’s capable of being his guarantor (say, for loans and debt), and that Dok-mi couldn’t do that.

Jin-rak narrows his eyes—did Dong-hoon take out some kind of loan? Ha. Now their hyung-dongsaeng dynamic is back and he’s nagging him for the unwise move, and he tells Dong-hoon to unpack. Dong-hoon mutters, “I just kicked up that fuss, how can I unpack? So embarrassing.” Haha.

Turns out there are no elephants at the zoo this winter, to Enrique’s disappointment, but he’s just as happy with the polar bear exhibit—he wants to show her animals that like winter. He says they’re lethargic in summer, but you can’t judge them based on how they are out of their element, and that’s why he comes in the summer to cheer them on. That’s so like him.

Then he confides a story about coming to the zoo at ten years old in Spain, and being told, “Go back to your country, you monkey!” His mother didn’t know how to explain it and they never spoke of it afterward, but he encountered more of that racism regularly, whether at school or work.

Recalling Dok-mi’s high-school despair that led her to ask why people had to discriminate, he says he’s been wondering that since the age of ten. He doesn’t have the answer yet, but wonders hopefully, “If we meet lots and lots and lots of people, maybe that answer will come?”

Dok-mi guess that Enrique really wanted to come to the zoo to share that story with her, and he admits that it’s his first time confiding it in anybody. He supposes that although he thought of himself as being her elephant trainer at first, she’s really the trainer. “We’ll both be each other’s trainers.”

Dok-mi says that she always thought people hated her, and that she was why her parents fought, and therefore she never liked herself. Enrique points out that on the beach that one day, he could see the way she looked at the ocean and how she gives her heart to the things she sees: “You like so many things—why can’t you like yourself?”

Dok-mi replies, “Because I’ve never received love, I don’t know how to love.” Enrique says, “Then just receive what I give. Start with receiving.”

At the sound of a girl crying next to them, Enrique bounds up to cheer her up. Dok-mi takes her phone out and starts her process of filming the world, beginning with him.

Thinking of that day on the beach, Dok-mi starts to write a new passage of her book, but deletes the words “That woman” and revises it to:

“The wind and the waves tear down the sand castle. That man is able to love even the wind and the waves. He says that the castle hasn’t been torn down, but that it has been permeated. That man knows how to be healed.”

As they leave the zoo, Dok-mi tells him that she has realized that working at home is a form of locking herself away, although she had previously thought of it as working the way she wanted. Therefore, she has contacted her publishing office, and told them she wants to report to the office every day like a regular employee.

Enrique is amazed at the huge step this represents, though part of him (the petty, petty part) can’t resist noting that Jin-rak’s one webtoon was more effective than all the dragging around he’d done. Dok-mi corrects him: “I realized I was shut in. That’s why I’m leaving.”

Enrique gives her a hug: “Good job.” And then, it’s time for our Pretty Woman shopping montage, though I suppose he is taking both of those words loosely with his goofy modeling.


Of course, she gets the obligatory pretty-dress transformation too, and then he picks out ridiculously cutesy couple tees for the both of them. It’s a smile-inducing date for its ordinariness, although the mood sours when Dok-mi catches a glimpse of his phone when the animation studio in Spain calls. Reality intrudes and wipes the smile from her face. Aw, don’t feel guilty!

Dong-hoon resumes his nighttime job by hanging out outside the nightclubs for his clients to call. With the income, he can resume making payments to his PD, who is hilariously reviewing her “dating notes” as she primps and wills her phone to ring. Is it funnier that she’s studying how to date, or that her notes come from Jin-rak the Hapless?

When Dong-hoon calls, the PD actually squees to herself, even though all he does is tell her that paid back another installment of his debt. I think he’s actually expecting her to rip his head off, as per her usual, but she’s reminding herself to speak slowly and gets a confused look out of him. Heh.

As Enrique and Dok-mi head to a movie theater that evening, we catch a glimpse of his stalker fangirl, recording the date on her phone. Ack, you again! I thought we’d done away with you. Haven’t you fulfilled your crazy quota?

Enrique suggests watching the newest animated movie for their date tomorrow, and Dok-mi notes how passionate he is about the world of animation. And now she can’t keep silent anymore, asking how he can give up his dream because of her—she can see plain as day how much he loves it.

Assuring him that she’ll be fine now that she’s started to venture into the world, she encourages him to return to Spain. After all, everything he has is there, with nothing for him here.

He points out, “You’re here.” But it’s not enough of a reason to convince her, not after she wrote his book and understands his feelings so well. She can’t be the reason for him giving it up.

Enrique scoffs at her to quit lying to herself, but she knows that this time he’s the one who’s fooling himself. And he can’t deny it, although he pleads with her to ask for what she wants for once, not acting just for the other person’s good. Can’t she ask him to stay?

It’s something of an impasse, and she shakes off his arm from hers. But he doesn’t let her go, and instead takes her in a hug, right there in the lobby.

Holding her close, he asks, “Come with me to Spain.”

 
COMMENTS

Character-wise, we had a lot of turning point moments in this episodes, which were both angst-ridden and rewarding. I really couldn’t care less about Do-hwi so I don’t count her in the bunch, though I suppose you could say it extends to her. Sorta. I’ll concede that she’s not quite as horrible as I thought her previously, but being “less hateful” isn’t really that much of a difference from being plain hateful.

Jin-rak and Dong-hoon, on the other hand, are just adorable. I love that they had their big blowup, and that Dong-hoon got a chance to fume about being the dead-broke artist instead of just being sunny about it. And we could feel that it made a difference that Jin-rak wasn’t really as broke as he was, because it made Dong-hoon feel lesser, like he was being humored. But that misunderstanding also gives Jin-rak the chance to show Dong-hoon just how much he does care about him, as much as a real brother (and more, if you consider how mercenary his real bros were). Just, awww.

It was a nice bit of connection to have Jin-rak and Dok-mi both identifying with each other’s pasts and their inability to love themselves. Fitting that once again they’re on the same side of the situation, totally in accord with that sense of bleakness and able to understand what that feels like—but I think today’s confessions highlight that being exactly alike don’t really work to bring them together romantically. Dok-mi’s afraid of bringing her darkness into Enrique’s life, but really, it’s the complement they need. I love that Jin-rak is able to help Dok-mi a little by having trod that path before and having come to the realization first that he needs to work at loving himself, but for once he’s not putting himself in the position of her savior. I want him to be a co-traveler on this path with her, friends and confidantes who don’t have to cut ties once he’s given up his romantic aspirations. He’s such a great hyung figure, I want that to remain constant.

I didn’t love the whole fangirl segment, and I groan a little to see that we’re still not done with it, even though I was relieved at the swiftness of the arc in this episode. I was afraid they’d let it be a bigger plot point than it was, and happy that it resolved so early on. I can deal with it being the catalyst to bringing the greater issue to the table—the Spain-Korea divide, literally—and only hope that the next segment is used in a similar vein. Fingers crossed.

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Thanks so much for the recaps! Off to read...

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One thing that I've really noticed about this series is how nobody is exactly who you think they are from first impressions. Dok-mi isn't just a really shy girl, Enrique isn't just an outgoing, happy person, Do-hwi isn't just a well-dressed mean girl (well, sorta...?). I've really really enjoyed all the character development in this series so far, and I'm excited as to what will happen in the last few episodes. I just don't want it to end!

I was a bit annoyed with the whole fangirl plot at first, but I will see where it goes from here and make further opinions later. But I am seriously looooving the cute between Dok-mi and Enrique. They could win an award. And even though they're already together, I feel like the focus isn't necessarily on their love but rather on how they are hel [Read more]

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I agree with you. I may not like Do-hwi but I believe that everyone is capable of change and that everyone deserves a second chance. It only depends on her if she is willing to work for that second chance and become a better person.

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Have you noticed that in the episodes since Dok Mi and Enrique have been together, there has been A LOT of hugging? :D

Now I want more smoochies. heehee.

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nobody is exactly as they seem at first impression. impression is taken on, the true face is something else, and the heart is completely different. only if we would be able to read each others minds could we perhaps describe exactly what kind of people they are. but the thing is, most people can´t read minds and make wrong conclusions.

this is a really melancholic show though. especially cause by statistics one third of people in megacities is completely alon, with no connections at all. either migrated, untied the relationship with their family, traumas etc.

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So true. Everything you said. Loved your comment. Although I am not really wanting Do Hwi to "get off" and be rewarded for coming clean, I do want her to be somewhat redeemed because it would go well with one of the underlying themes of the drama: the effect of our words or non-words upon other folks.

Again, Do Hwi has been hit with the realization --or with a "new seeing" in which her eyes are literally being opened to seeing what she was blind to. She is finally seeing the effect of her words on other people. Same with Jin Rak. He hasn't seen or understood how his non-speaking has affected his life. HE's got to learn to speak up and he's learning. And Do Hwi -- she still is trying to hide why she likes Jin Rak -- uh, Jae Won-- so she still is in major need of change.

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this is kind of crazy, but I actually re-wrote part of my story thinking about prejudice and hidden personalities, and I intend to open up some of my own characters and their past and present ambitions because of the influence of this show. like a person we might consider boring and annoyingly normal might have been a student activist in his youth and published an underground newspaper. or a country guy who seems like a bum with 2 grades of education actually grows rare and beautiful roses.
thanks, show. I feel like I dont even know my own characters well enough! I had the wrong impression. this is weird. maybe it is my own brain that I dont know.

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Sometimes you have to rewrite a story in about eight or nine drafts before you fully understand a character. Sounds like your book is coming along nicely and wonderfully.

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(in response to redfox and your subsequent comment - not sure the order that this will post)

ahhh! this is so in line with a conversation i've been having with my step-mom! i watched the movie "the perks of being a wallflower" and then read the book (because i almost never like a movie if i've read the book first). but this time i felt like the book wasn't as good as the movie, like the movie got the characters better. the book's author (stephen chbosky) wrote the screenplay and directed the film, so it wasn't a reinterpretation from another point of view. i felt like he knew the characters better in the movie, so they made more sense.

ok, glad to see that other people think that sometimes authors don't fully know their own creations. glad i'm not alone!!

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I'm right there with you with Do Hwi. I don't hate her but I don't like her either. I can forgive her but never forget what she's done. But Do Hwi did kind of made sense, somehow, when she asked Dok Mi why she didn't defend herself or something. Why not say anything then. I'd still like for her character to have a good ending. Doesn't matter where you started, what matters is where you end.

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exactly. worse people have turned a new sheet and started over and become mind-bendingly different. yet there are doofuses who are engaged in some unbelievable dark and suspicious affairs and walk on and keep being the same kind of bastardos they were. we judge ordinary folks so easily yet close the eye for true criminals, who might not be wielding a knife at our face but they back-stab the whole society.

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LOL!!! Wow, you sound like me when i watch the politicians on CNN

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yeah. politicians, sleek lawyers and stuff. People like the ones in this show or ordinary people, our neighbors, we are so close yet we dont know them at all. pass these doors every day and know more about some TV celebrities who we never met

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I still don't like Do hwi, I never will, because once again we are being forced into this stupid redemption arc - really, this is disappointing to see fresh characters forced to cover the same plot points. I'm not saying that bad people are beyond redemption - although a lot of times in real life they are - but do we have to see the same thing time and time again?

I foresee noble idiocy on the part of Dok-mi, a redemption arc and probably Jin-Rak for Do-hwi, some last-minute heroine-in-jeopardy hijinks - sigh. This has all been done a million times before. It's a waste of some decent characters. I'm not a huge fan of cute, so Enrique can dance around in a panda suit all he wants and I will still be unsatisfied with the turn the story is taking.

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As far as the Noble Idiocy Conundrum goes, I think it's more understandable here than in other shows. Enrique didn't bring her back to life or back to the world, because she has never been in it. She has always felt self-loathing and isolated, even in her friendship with Do-Hwi. We see that when Do-Hwi is sobbing at her desk and Dok-Mi looks on helplessly and worried. I have to admit, it made me wonder if part of the reason she did not defend herself was due to not wanting to call her ex best friend a liar, but in the end the experience is still poison to any ambition for happiness she might have begun to nurse while having a best friend and an encouraging teacher.
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I want Do Hwi to be forgiven by Dok Mi. Because that's what Dok Mi needs even more than Do Hwi. One can't become genuinely happy, if one can't give others a chance to be happy.

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I love the character development which is hard to find in kdrama it kinda like the characters announces themselves as grown up when the impression you get is they're still acting as the same from ep 1.
flower boy next door is definitely one of the series that i have grown to love so far, i just hope it doesnt disappoint me. so far i think this series is a rare gem. it kinda actually reminds me of the japanese genre slice of life. i am actually hoping to see the japanese do a remake on this...which is weird but i totally can see a remake of it!

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dok mi and enrique can go and be whatever, i got a bit bored... jin rak already conceded so what now... blood flowed back to my veins when Dong hoon was somewhat expecting a call from webtoon boss, and was disappointed when she seems like she wont be calling. and she is not calling... coz she was wishing he would call, and he did!!! LOL , her expression was just - precious! that was more exciting for me..

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me too, i got bored with dok mi and enrique. i only lightened up with dong hoon and boss (i really wish they'd progress)

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Thanks so much for the recap! ^____^

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Thanks for the recap!

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Enrique's panda dance at the beginning of the episode really made my day. I now have the urge to go find an animal suit now. lol. Enrique really makes his egocentricity look like its part of his charm and I actually think that it is. Haha. Only he could say that he was cute since he was young and I would not be annoyed by the fact that he said that. I feel so bad for Jin Rak. He is such a martyr. I hope he also gets his happy ending.

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Panda dance... It was just cute overload...

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Cutest dance in the entire universe. LOL.

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Thank you!

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HNNNNG Can't wait for subs!!

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It's already out on dramacrazy. Surprised me that it came out faster than recaps here on DB. =)

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I watched it approximately 7-9 hours after the broadcast on viki.com. they are really fast with the subs :)

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Well, some of us can't view it on viki anymore. I used to watch it there too but now due to their reqional restrictions... :P

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On vikii, it was ready 7 hours after it was aired ...I think they are the fastest subber of this show....before they got licensed I had to wait one or two days...

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Most of the time Dramacrazy gets their subs from viki. They dont have subbers.

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Yeah, the subs are crazy fast for this show. Definitely not complaining though. Wuv all the subbers, hee. <3 XD

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It's here! Thanks jb!

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Yay! Thanks!

I'm not really hating on Do-hwi right now as I did at the beginning (thought back on my high school days and man, I did lots of stupid and thoughtless things). I'm just glad that a "villain" was written well and the redemption won't be at the last minute like in so many kdramas. Also, the actress playing her has improved since her BOF days. At least I liked her a little better than No Min-woo's character in MGIAG. And she's playing Do-hwi good even if her earlier scenes were cringe-worthy. Makes me want to see the NGs.

But the fangirl got off easy. Enrique should've made her at least apologize or something to Dok-mi.

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Yeah, I was wondering why the crazy fan didn't get prosecuted or something. Ack!!!

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The stalker chick was a good plot device to stir the pot a bit so that Dok-mi can think about how to support Enrique's dream, but please don't bring her back, especially for trying to drive a wedge between them. Someone get me some pest spray!!!

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I could see noble idiocy coming from a mile away, except in this case it really isn't.....UGH what is going to happen....especially with the preview for next episode!!!

Thanks for the Recap!!!!

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My guess is that she wants JR to possibly kiss her when Enrique is around, since obviously he won't leave on his own and may need a little shove.

To be honest, it didn't seem like she was as convicted as Enrique about their relationship, and maybe she has realized that she's really the rebound girl and that his heart is still (well actually, again) in Spain? So what better way to get him to leave and live out his dreams (and be with the girl he's pined after for 10 years) than to break his heart...

Sigh. I don't like where this is going because either way someone is going to get hurt.

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Waited all weekend for this, yay! But, I don't want Dok Mi to push too much for Enrique to go his way for his dream while she ventures into the world. I liked her comment that she trapped herself and now she can free herself. But please, please please Dok Mi, just say 'yes' to Enrique's request, "Let's go to Spain together." You are so good for each other! Don't do the "I don't want to be the reason for you not going to Spain for your dream." Start a dream together, we shipped you, now be shipped!!!

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Yay!!! Thanks for the recap!!! It was a sweet episode with some absolutely adorable moments. Really, YSY dancing in a panda suit!!! Ridiculously adorkable!!! It makes me just want to hug him!!!

One of my favourite scenes in the episode though was the Hyung-Donsaeng "love" spat. It was filled with such emotion and both Kim Ji Hoon and Go Kyung Po filled the scene with such moving and heartfelt love and a sense of wanting to belong. It was just lovely!!!

I really hope that they manage to subvert expectations again and not drag out any noble idiocy crap. I have faith though that the show can deal with the Korea-Spain divide, and let them pursue their dreams together!!! Dok-Mi and Enrique 화이팅!!!

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First things first: I WANT MY VERY OWN PANDA ENRIQUE PLEASE :D those first few seconds had me in stitches^^ SO CUTE <3

I am such a sucker for bromance so I was on pins and needles when Dong Hoon was about to leave. But thank god they were back to their bickering in no time :)

The preview...makes me a bit anxious but I guess in the end we will all get what we want. Enrique and Dok Mi together, because that's just how it is supposed to be :)

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can i have a panda suit instead? i really,really want one. :D

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i only want a panda suit if enrique comes in it . . .

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hate dok mi and enrique. because of them ji rak is sufferning!! dont worry ji rak. u deserve better

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man that episode just zoomed by!

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The panda dance... Please someone make it a gift!! ( I don't know how ) it was just too adorable!!!! That and the question I kept asking myself in the past 10 episodes, why does Enrique not speak Spanish?? Then he does... Adorable again... I'm going to be a mess next week... I don't want it to end!!!

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Butt-wiggling panda boy gif FTW!! lol

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how to save gif in my com?

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was actually waiting for a back hug from ji rak to dong hoon :)

proud of dok mi for overcoming her hurdles...
love enrique's contagious positivity... and his aegyo's!!!

thanks for the recap JB....
and i can't believe how fast this drama flew...
we're onto the last 3 episodes.... :( :)

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I love the I dont want to lose my dongsaeng moment.
My favorite bromance.
Anyway because of this K drama I started watching New Girl again because Nick is so like Jin-Rak in many ways. lol..Im getting crazy.
Thanks to these recap I got to keep up with the drama
since I havent watched it for weeks. I'm gonna marathon it from episodes 5-14 this weekend.Fingers crossed.

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I agree! he is so like Nick Miller! So he needs a quirky Jess in his life :)

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IKR...
Nice to know Im not the only one who noticed.I've been bugging my sister about it but she doesnt get my flow.
They're both funny losers..but cute nonetheless.
What Jin-Rak and Dong hoon needs is a quirky roommate, a New Girl.

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Exactly right about Jin Rak - Nick Miller but hmmm...Enrique is most like Jess, LOL. New Girl is probably one of the funniest shows on US tv, ever.

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You are right,Enrique is Jess..this is really funny...
Indeed ,New Girl is one of the few US shows I still watch.

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I loved this episode, i thought they were going to make a big deal out of the harsh words on her door, i was glad it was solved so fast... the way they edit the preview led us to expect things to happen in a different way, it' nice. I hope it happens with this one too, i would hate to see her using Jin Rak to make Enrique leave...besides, wouldn't be Korea a better place to make movies than Spain is? It's far more technological, i believe...

I adored how he spoke in Spanish...love it!!!♡♡♡♡♡

That pic of them in the aquarium will be my next facebook cover XD

Thanks for the recap -)

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Finally! "We'll both be each other's trainers."

I am so totally pleased that the elephant story's been revised into something better. I think I was the only one ranting about how "training" someone to be normal sounded like complete bullshit and I'm glad the writers are slowly rewriting everything I disliked about Enrique. Isn't it interesting how they're adding phrases like "If you want to" to Enrique's dialogue when they weren't there before? How lovely.

Dok-Mi is developing so fast; it's uncanny! Goes to show how far someone can get with someone else holding their hand.

Jin-rak tsk tsk still so overprotective, almost aggressively so. Hopefully he backs off from now on since it's almost clear that E and DM are together. Still keeping my fingers crossed for his happy ending. I'm [Read more]

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I care more for the bromance between Jin Rak and Dong Hoon than the romance between Dok Mi and Enrique. I think I would like the show a lot more if it just didn't flat out have any romance. Like the Ouran High School Host Club anime (NOT the manga) - it could hint at it, maybe flirt at it, but never really go there. I'd enjoy it more, I know that.

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Yep, I care so little about Dok Mi and Enrique as a couple that I find Jin Rak and Dong Hoon's bromance and Dong Hoon and PD's chemistry much more interesting.

Still can't feel any romantic chemistry between Dok Mi and Enrique. Those hugs - no physical chemistry whatsoever. He's just too boyish and overly "adorable" that he has no sex appeal. That panda dance, yes, funny and adorable, but not sexy at all. I also find Enrique too overbearing sometimes - all I see is Enrique going chatter chatter and chatter, while Dok Mi says barely anything and just smiles. It's getting kind of repetitive that I might just drop this drama altogether.

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Re: romance - I'm sort of meh about it too. I'm not as excited if they get together or not as I did with the leads in FBRS & SUFBB. I squealed so much back then. Reminds me when I was watching Sungkyunkwan Scandal when I didn't care at all about the leads' romance too. It was all about the second lead for me. Ah, missing Geol-oh...

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wow. and here I thought I was the only viewer who was receiving ZERO attraction-vibes from the OTP.

I think the two actors are doing a good job of inhabiting their characters, but when skin touches or faces nearly meet....nah, not even a tingle.

...it's like they could be school-mates who are study-buddies for a REALLY hard exam. But honestly, even brushing ankles under the library table is sexier than any connection so far between these two.
(le sigh).... they're still cute tho.

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There are a few moments of chemistry, I think. Like the way Enrique looks at her when she's in the white dress (he lowers his phone from his photo taking and has to just look). And in the previous episode, the way he looks at her when he's saying just keep liking him more, more, more, more.

Romantic chemistry or not, YSY is killing this role.

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I completely agree! Enrique's animated antics and expressions are cute sometimes but it also hinders how he is perceived romantically for me. He just acts so much like a kid that I can't take him seriously most of the time.

I understand that he has more depth to his personality than his bubbly exterior but I don't know... all the panda hats and overly cute aegyo doesn't make me see him as a romantic interest. That's just my opinion though!

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Same here...the main couple lack chemistry imo, there's no spark between them. Anyway, I keep watching it for the bromance and Kim Ji Hoon... crossing fingers for KJH to come back with a leading role for his next drama, he is definitely leading male material.

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lol. I think you might want to read the recaps at Couch Kimchi. I think you'll find a kindred spirit there.

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Agree! Jin Rak and Dong Hoon are so much more interesting. When watching the episode I skip to their scenes and when reading the recaps I scroll right to their scenes. I'm finding that the writers are giving Dong Hoon more and more layers. His screentime is short, but he leaves his mark on us, doesn't he?

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Honestly, I cannot wait for this drama to be over. I love it to bits but I am not hoping for an extension. I was agonizing all week trying to distract myself with my other favorite shows, (This is the only Kdrama I am currently watching, I am picky with my kdramas and not into makjangs or melos) but it’s not working, my mind keeps wandering back towards FBND. So what I did was I rewatched FBND from episodes 1 through 12. To somehow ease my growing frustration that Monday was still too far away. With other Dramas I’d be really impatient that the OTP didn’t get together till later episodes, but with FBND I have no such feelings. Rewatching from the start I realized how this drama got the pacing perfectly. That you won’t have any complaints of it being too slow on progress. It’s a b [Read more]

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Wow, exactly how I felt about Enrique. The woundedness of racism. Sometimes the most seemingly-happy-go-lucky people are the most wounded. That doesn't make their peppiness fake but it makes it surprising that they have such heart.

It's like what redfox said earlier about first impressions in the above comments. In this world we tend to judge by first impressions. (not if you watch dramas of course, cause we've been trained by drama/story that people are often more than they appear to be.)

But in real life, we find certain people overbearing or ditzy or flaky and we can be very unkind to them in our hearts. Or assume there is nothing deep about them. I think one of the reasons Enrique is so kind and generally gentle with everyone -- even stalker and Do Hwi at the beginning-- is that [Read more]

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I think what we are seeing in Enrique's happy hyper personality just another way (his way) of keeping people at a distance. A person has to reveal less about himself or herself when happiness and lightheartedness is portrayed compared to a quiet, thoughtful personality which seems to more quickly invite inquiry. "What's up?'
A penny for your thoughts." questions like that come at a quiet person. So, Enrique can avoid those questions with hyperactivity. People back away from his personal space for a different reason, but they still back away. And he doesn't have to dig deep.

I like how Dok Mi and Enrique are digging deep together, and the thing is, she is taking the lead and he is following.

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Yes, what Enrique said about growing up in Spain was pretty realistic about growing up as a foreigner in Europe. People seem to think of racism as an American thing, but actually it is because we have so many different races all living together, there are so many more "opportunities" to display racism that we are hypersensitive about it, picking at it like a scab that never goes away. For this reason it gets so much press and is so well known. A country where the populace is racially similar will also have trouble with feelings of racism because the "otherness" is so much more obvious and cultural standards may be more rigid.

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Thanks for the recap. Oh the panda dance so cute.

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THANKS JB,

I am not spanish but I think enrique spoke korean slang

spanish, funny pronounciation !.

I am still hoping for oh jin rak/dok mi pairings.

Enrique has many unresolved issues in spain, and

also confused mind, can't imagine how he will cope with

having a permanent girlfriend like dok mi.

I cried between jin rak and dong hoon man to man talk,

it hurts to know about their plight.

Pd getting fresh on her subordinate, don't get sexual

harassment card !! like we read the recent news.

fighting oh jin rak !!,

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HAHAHA, Enrique's Spanish was adorable. :P And his panda dance was adorable. And his eagerness to do generic couple-y things was adorable. And omg just why is he so adorable. I LOVE this couple so much. Not just because they're plain adorable together, but because they also change each other for the better, and help each other and understand each other in such a sweet, opposites-attract kind of way.

Seriously, say yes Dok-mi, please say yes!

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ysy speaking in spanish made my week, no my month! SO FREAKING ADORABLE (especially since I'm a spanish native speaker), I know this might have looked just as an excuse to relate, but I found really interesting that they put the racism issue on the table...it was more or less like that in Chile as well durng the 90s. Thankfully things have changed for the better!

I'm so scared about the preview...I feel a time jump is coming!

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As someone who has never experienced racism in any way, shape or form, I am shocked everytime I hear about/see racism, real life or not. People can be so cruel to other people.
I am afraid Dok Mi is going to try to make Enrique leave by using Jin Rak and pretend to be caught in some sort of romantic situation with him. Poor Enrique! Fighting!

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XD! I'm Chilean too, and I have heard the same things Enrique said meant for Chinese people. What is worst is that people dont make any difference between Chinese, Korean , Japanese or so., which is utterly disrespectful u.u

Yeah, YSY spanish was lovely

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Great episode. As always. The stalker fangirl plotline is a bit annoying, but it does help to accentuate the bigger issue of Enrique going to Spain to follow his dream, and Dok-mi being unable or unwilling to leave Korea. I'm not sure which it is for her. About the mid-point in this episode, I wanted Enrique to ask Dok-mi to come with him, and he did, but I doubt she will. She's already making big steps of venturing out into the world, but leaving one's apartment and leaving the country are two different things. She may not be ready to do that for awhile, and yet, she's already making huge strides out of her comfort zone, so who knows?

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I thought that this was the last installment of the Flower Boy Series, correct me if I'm wrong please. I really wish that TvN would continue the series though.

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Oh, I don't know. I hope not, cause that would suck. As far as I know, there will be more.

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It'll be great if they continue their Oh! Boy series after FBND. But I was also under the impression that there would be only three. As for favorites, I think I like SUFBB best even though I love quirky characters (Cha Chi-soo & Enrique) like in jdramas. There was something about the atmosphere in Shut Up that appealed to me. Plus the soundtrack rocked!

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Yeah, as i understand it TvN's flower boy series will end with FBND. I definitely hope they end up continuing it though since SUFBB is one of my top 5 favorite kdramas and FBND is on its way to maybe being my #1. I can't say much about FBRS since although i tried to on several different occasions i couldn't make it through the first episode...just not my type of drama i guess.

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yeah same here the fan girl and his 'dream' are linked for me. Fangirl and from the preview of next epiosde his other fans want him to live his dream, and of course as crazy we own you type fans, theirs as well. Now we seem to be headed to the classic second guy pretending to be boyfriend act so first lead gives up the girl to live his dream. How I hate that line..'How can you give up ? just for a girl" you hear it all the time in Korean dramas { I not go into the sexism of it and korean culture } but really can not they just understand that his dream may have changed or expanded, why force him to live a dream that may no longer be all that important to him?

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Why is Yoon Shiyoon not at all winning me over? Kind of feeling meh about the two together. I mean, they make sense together, but I think I'm just way over Yoon Shiyoon. Hope the story ends fittingly for Dokmi. I care about her lots.

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He's so bouncy... and she's a more laid back, quiet thinker. She'd be much better suited to be with Jin Rak to be honest.

I can't help but love YSY in this series though. He's just so funny.

I feel the same way though. Character wise they're just mismatched. They honestly just don't do it for me.

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I LOVE THIS EPI!! Just one biggest consistent problem I have with PSH, which is...HUG HIM BACK, whydontcha??

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It's bad enough that their kiss was so flat, now I see those hugs and I kind of cringe.

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I KNOW RIGHT? She doesn't even...Idk, LEAN into him, let alone hug him back. She sort of just holds herself like a wooden plank in his arms. *cries* D:

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That was what I noticed...that everytime Enrique initiates a hug, its almost always slightly awkward lol... but I feel that its precisely because its not in Dok mi's character to suddenly become effusive or super romantic... I think that she is still unsure if what she feels is love... and the feeling I get is, she is not necessarily like...bowled over by Enrique... she is more collected and just seemed touched etc...

My favorite part to this ep was actually between Jin rak and Dong hoon lol The bromance is awesome and I love the fact that Jinrak isn't some kind of fairytale prince who will at a whim suddenly come rescue everyone on a white horse... but all the characters feel really...real... and thats why our hearts break for them...

Thank you for the recap as always ♥♥♥

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I think you expect too much from Dokmi (for now)
The girl already said she didn't know how to love... and that's why Enrique asked her just to receive his love for now
Now it makes complete sense that she didn't kiss back

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you meant Dokmi, not PSH... lol
Sometimes we don't differentiate between actors and characters don't we? If it was for PSH, don't you think the PD'd ask her to hug him back if the writing ask her to do so....
As in character, I think you expect too much from Dokmi (for now)
The girl already said she didn't know how to love... and that's why Enrique asked her just to receive his love for now
Now it makes complete sense that she didn't kiss back

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I kinda wish it was for Dok Mi alone, though...but for pretty much all of PSH characters I've seen (granted, I haven't seen every single one of them), that's pretty much how she hugs... I mean, at least pat in the back, or something. I just totally hate board stiff hugs. I'd rather someone just said "I don't really feel comfortable hugging" rather than hugging like that. Ugh.

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I don't know why we should bother differentiating between the actress and the character she is playing when this is how she acts, in this instance, in every single drama she is in. She plays Dok-mi, when it comes to romance, in every instance unless you go back five years to some obscure CF where she actually seemed to enjoy being kissed.

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the fact that Dok Mi (not PSH) doesn't avoid or cringe when Enrique hugs her is already great strides for character growth... during the first few episodes, she can't even stand to look straight in other people's eyes and takes great pains to avoid human contact...

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Thank you very much for a very concise recap. Thanks a lot JB, awesome.
I sooooo love this drama and there are only 3eps left...oh so sad that it will end next week. Can't there be any extension or special hahaha...i hoooope so.
I love all the characters except that fan stalker. I love PSH, YSY, KJH, Ko Kyung Pyo and...where is the adorable Kouki Mizuta (Watanabe)?

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thanks for the recap.

english sub for this drama is fast. i watched it in gooddrama.net ahead of dramabeans recap.

3 more episodes. i don't think there will be an extension. park shin hye is going back to school.

i love the characterization in this drama, especially that of dok mi and enrique.

i wonder what the ending will be next week.

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Am I the only one who thought YSY's Spanish was terrible? And how Enrique ended the convo in English? But I do admit that YSY was super cute trying to make it perfect.

And Dok-mi's "omg I can't believe you're acting like this in public" embarrassment faces were PRICELESS!

Enrique reminded me of Dory from Finding Nemo in this episode. Loved it.

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Well, I needed to read the Korean subtitles (and later, the English ones) to fully understand it, and I'm Spanish xD;; To me, it kind of sounded more Latin-American Spanish than Spanish from someone living in Spain though (nothing against LA, mind you).

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Yes, that's probably why it sounded off to me! I am used to Latin American Spanish, too, so it sounded weird coming from someone who is supposed to be from Spain

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Yes, Spanish-Spanish is much different than Latin-American/Mexican Spanish - it is a problem at my daughter's school because one of the teachers teaches Castilian Spanish and the girls have a hard time transitioning to the classes taught by Latin-American speakers.

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Thanks for the recap! Such a lovely episode!

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I love the sleepless editor! Story of my life but not to such extremes. We are both terrible at dating. Haha

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Thank you for the recap. Can't wait to watch it.

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Thanks again for a great recap....

Highlight of the show for me was the bromance between JinRak and DongHoon...made me sniffle a bit...

and the blooming romance between the PD and DH..ke ke ke... at least the PD's black undereyebag doesn't look as bad as before...guess, she's getting a few sleep here and there after all...

i do wish that the stalker would just go away, unless there's a bitter plan about her hanging around still..oh wells...

i did like the panda dance and couldn't help but laugh a bit...
and i love the dress up part since i get to see Shin Hye suited up better...

khamsamhida!

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Oh, I really hope they're trolling us again with the melo setup :(.

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anyone knows the ratings? still waiting for that kiss from YSY and KJH.

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I heard they dropped a bit...

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I really hate Enrique's character...tooooooo childish...like a 5year-old kid...tsk tsk...so disappointing...

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i would say child-like, not childish... Enrique has already proven that he has this mature and sensitive side, and the way he understands and relates to other people is way more mature than most of the other characters...

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I can't believe there are only 3 episodes left. :(

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Seriously?! Yeah :( How are they going to resolve everything and how are everyone going to get their happy ending???

I'm sorta worried now, I forgot that this is a 16 ep series

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i have faith in the whole production (esp director and writer) that they will resolve and wrap things up in a logical and convincing way... they have delivered well so far... :)

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Love, love, love this series! Man it's hard to find anything so full of cute, heart and character growth these days and this series has it in spades! :)

Haha, the panda suit is awesome and Enrique is so cute!

What I really loved about this episode, though, was Jin-rak and Dong-hoon's relationship

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How does the fan girl psycho get away it it? She's a crazed stalker to Enrique and writing threatening message on Dok Mi's door and defacing her private property! Dong hoon caught her red handed, so why doesn't anyone call the cops and haul her off to jail?

Why should Dok Mi be so easily persuaded and listen to the nutcase fan girl about Enrique being and fairy and not able to pursue his dream.

The preview shows Dok Mi asking Jin Rak for a favor. I hope it's not to make Enrique leave Dok Mi for Spain without her.
Sometimes, the logic just doesn't make any sense.

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Also annoyed and frustrated with this fangirl psycho stalker. It seemed she got away with what she did scot free. It seems like a hole in the story line.

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Thank you so much for the recap, I enjoy so much

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Yay! Thanks for the recap!

Decisions, decisions...
Enrique stays = giving up his dreams. But then again, what's the use of the internet? Here in the Philippines we've got lots of animators and illustrators who work for companies in the US (like Marvel, Pixar) and just sends their work thru the web. Can't Enrique do that? Work from SK and send his works thru the web? I don't think neither SK nor Spain's digital infrastructure can't accommodate that kind of work setting.

Dokmi goes to Spain = won't that be too drastic for her?

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Haha! And it's flower boy next door vs. panda boy next building.

An Enrique Panda-Dancing Geum neighbor would make me sit on my window all day. And the day after that if he keeps on dancing.

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You have the perfect solution. Skype anyone? I understand that he'd have to physically be there at least initially, but it doesn't have to be for anybody's 2 year time jump.

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Noble idiocy coming up...ugh!

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I just hope Jin Rak won't play along with Dok Mi's plan...stop using him already, why hurt him more?

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because he is the second guy it is his fate, poor thing.

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I love the characters in this show. The characterization is amazing.

Anyway, loved the bit were Enrique was speaking Spanish. His accent was so cute and yet very understandable. Much better than when Korean actors speak English in a show.

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I thought so too! I took 6 years of Spanish, so it was nice not to need the subtitles in a Kdrama for once, lol.

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during the fangirl part. kind of reminded of the big bang theory episode when sheldon got a new assistant. and tt assistant insisted that he completes his studies even if it means forgoing any sort of entertainment/ "fun" in life.

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I agree! She had that crazy driven look in her eye too. Enrique wants to make games that have great stories. Well how are you supposed to write great stories if you don't live and gain new experiences, feel all the emotions? If you don't go into the world, away from your craft, you'll always be missing something.

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Enrique is handsome and all but I think he has to tone down the "trying to be cute" sometimes. Just saying :)

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Don't get me started. Not fond of the cute at all. Enrique annoys.

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Thks so much for the recap! I loved that episode! So much character development!
I loved the blowup between Jin-rak and Dong-hoon, and I love the connection between Jin-rak and Dok-mi. Now I can see how much they can help each other as friends, and that's really nice. I also liked Enrique better in this episode, I dunno, he felt less hyper and was so cute with Dok-mi.

I'd also like to say a big thank you to GABY, UNIK, GIDGET, STEPH, and IZZIE!
I had been working last week and forgot to check dramabeans for new posts, and when I did yesterday, my eyes went big as saucers when I saw the number of posts following my comment on FBND ep12! I was like "woah! What's this??? 1, 2, 3...11 new comments??? woah!!!"
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hey waca. as a fellow person who struggles with depression, sometimes people just don't know what to say or do. also, attitudes towards mental illness varies greatly by country and by age. i'm lucky to be in the usa, where i think people are slowly getting the message that depression is an illness, not a character flaw.

i think of it as diabetes of the mind. juvenile on-set/type 1=bad luck (genes wise) depression. some of us are just born to be depressed, and telling us to buck up or have a stiff upper lip is about as helpful as telling a diabetic to just try harder at making insulin. we need medical help to live an average life, and we might need help for the rest of out lives.

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Funny.. are you me? The way you described it is exactly how I describe my depression and anxiety issues to anyone who asks.

The funny thing about me is that I also suffer from social anxiety disorder, meaning that being in a large group of people, or having to give a speech ... can bring on a full scale panic attack. Here's what's strange though. You'd never know. I'm usually the bubbliest person in the room, making friends left and right. It took me years to realize that something was wrong, even longer to put a name to it. My defense mechanism is simply to appear happy and outgoing when it reality I'd rather crawl into a tiny hole.

It's hard for my husband to understand this. He often says that I just need stop thinking about that something bad may happen, but he doesn't get that I [Read more]

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hey conny.

nope, not you - two r's, not n's!

i was lucky because even though my parents were initially reluctant to admit that i had depression, they eventually came around. it was mainly my mom who didn't want to believe me and my older sister, but luckily (so not the right word!) my mom had had postpartum psychosis after my older sister was born.

postpartum psychosis is the big bad older sibling to postpartum depression - my mom could hold my sister and honestly think that she was still pregnant. so, after realizing how bad things were, my mom allowed herself to be checked in to a mental institute, where she ended up staying for several weeks. my dad was freaking out (first born child, wife/baby momma in hospital = not good!) so his mom and younger sister came up and moved [Read more]

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Woah! That must have been tough on your dad! And your poor mom! I knew about postpartum depression, but not about postpartum pyschosis...it's horrible! She's very courageous to have gone through another pregnancy!

Never heard of Jenny Lawson...So I'm gonna have a look at her blog! Thanks for the link! :)

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It must have been hard, being an usually bubbly person! I am more the shy one, who doesn't like going to parties, so people tend to think I am too shy and have a boring life and don't enjoy myself, so I suppose they would feel it is normal for a person like me to be depressive...but really, my life isn't boring. I just don't like having pointless conversations or going to parties (because there's too much people and all they do is drinking and stuff...yeah, they're young people).
But being bubbly...they would have difficulties to understand why you would suddenly have panic attacks as if you were a shy person.
It's great that you're not alone! :)

"You purposely don’t want to talk about it because you don’t want to lose the few friends you have. Then suddenly you open up and reali [Read more]

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Thank you for your comment! :) It is nice to come across people who suffers the same illness than me (even if you wished nobody would suffer that, because it seriously sucks).

It is funny in a way that you would illustrate it with the example of diabetes, because that's the illness I had chosen when I tried to explain to my friends, as one of them precisely had diabetes. I only used it to try to make them understand that it wasn't my fault if on really bad days I could not get out of my bed. They only thought I was ditching classes...but that wasn't it. I was so tired I could not get up, and when by miracle I would force myself to, I felt like I was turning crazy just by being surroundered by people and trying to comprehend what the teacher was saying. So I tried to explain t them that [Read more]

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hey again waca. not sure if you're still checking this thread or not, but hello!

last question = first answer. no american i know use "fighting!" as a "go do it!" phrase. but maybe i don't know the right subset of americans! i think we'd be more likely to say "you can do it!" "kick some ass!" "break a leg!" or similar. maybe in some sports they'd use "fighting"? i am the least sporty person i have ever met (yes, despite my dad owning a sports store - go figure. they do say that god has a sense of humor . . . )

regarding friends maturity level vs acceptance of depression as a real thing: i was diagnosed when i was 16ish. so while i was probably mature for my age, i was NOT mature. and nor were my friends. honestly, what i think helped them accept my sobbing late night calls [Read more]

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tq jb,

enrique trying to be cute but I said not natural at all,

forced cute.

Dok mi don't make jin rak be your duff (manipulate) we

don't like it, deal it yourself.

dong hoon is naturally cute !!.

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I hear what you're saying but I don't think it's Enrique trying to be cute. Could it perhaps be that the actor who PLAYS Enrique is having a hard time doing the cute? It feels that way to me. I have several actor friends and being asked to play a cute character is one of the hardest things an actor can be called upon to do.

I've never seen this actor in any other drama or in any other drama where he is called upon to be a fairy/cute, but I've seen a lot of dramas -- especially Chinese and Taiwanese dramas-- where the actor/actress is called forth to cuteness and aaargh! it's like they simply can't do it.

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Oh my gosh, this episode's so haunting. My heartstrings are all worn out from being tugged on. So naturally and organically. And the end...wow! If what the preview hints at is actually gonna happen, the only thing worse than noble idiocy is when folks are actually noble for an intelligent reason.

First: donghoon. Wow!!! Love him! And Jin Rak has been so wounded or so restrained by life and his own issues that when he sees the error of his ways in so many areas in one episode....I can feel his stress and grief. Heck, if he now gets a chance to help Dok Mi, he'll get the chance to imprint on her life. Hey, maybe she could fall in love with him. That's the somewhat scary part if Enrique actually goes.

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"He’s saying, “Come to this racist place where people will say nasty things to your face even now in 2013.” That’s an invitation to join him in his dream..in hell. I think I’ve only seen maybe three dramas where the protag comments about racism toward Asians in some western country. In Spain, Dok Mi would either have to be totally brave and walk outside in that cruel world everyday or she might retreat back into feeling unloved."

*cringe* Is Spain really that bad? I mean, racism happens everywhere, but you make it sound like it's extra bad over there... I dunno, I, an asian, went there last december and the people were fabulous... or maybe because I was just a tourist who can speak some spanish...

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I'm just judging by what Enrique has gone through. I have several friends from Spain who aren't racist. But I DID meet one incredibly racist lady from Spain and she was very cruel to me. So the way I'm seeing it is that there are some places where folks are racist and (hypocritically) quiet about it and there are places where someone will call you a "monkey" or a "N*gga" to your face. It's not just the cruelty of being racist in your heart and not caring about another person's heart, but it's the cruelty of being so heartless that you could say something cruel to someone.

I really do think that Europe DOES have a very verbal racism, though. I recently saw a BBC report on racism in European sports.

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My 2 cents in this is only that one of my sisters studied abroad in London last year for 4 months. She made time to go with the British friends she made to France and Spain for a few days. My sister is black, and her friends were black, Indian, and white. Travelling in that group, she found that the people were friendly in France, not so much in Spain, so I'm not surprised by Enrique's story. I know that emigrating to Europe is a different experience depending on your native country, race, language, gender, etc.

I do think that Dok-mi's past has prepared her to better withstand any racism she might receive in the drama's version of Spain than say a character like Do-hwi who has never been treated that way. That said, even with her character's lack of strong family ties, I don't think s [Read more]

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I don't think it's that racist. Enrique says that it would happen right when he had forgotten about a previous incident. As someone who has experienced racism in the US, where I was born and raised and still live, it's not something to the extreme where you would want to leave. I would never tell someone not to move to the US because of a few dumb idiots that can't see past what someone looks like. Enrique is not experiencing racism on a daily basis and is doing very well outside of those occasional incidents. I don't think that he's inviting her to a place where she'd be constantly uncomfortable. And if she's learning to deal with negativity without withdrawing, as shown by her confrontation with Do-hwi, then she'll be just fine, and maybe a stronger person.

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You wrote: "Enrique says that it would happen right when he had forgotten about a previous incident."

That's still too much for me. Waaay too much. Once in a while is way too much for a sensitive person or even for a non-sensitive person. There are still towns I never visit because someone shouted the n-word at me. I haven't been called the N-word in my present town in 30 years. In a town slightly north of here (the slang for upstate NY is upsouth NY) I was called the n-word about six or seven times a year. So, quantitatively, there is "more" racism in some places than in others. One really shouldn't have to go forgetting and suddenly remembering. Seems weird to me. So while it doesn't sound "that" racist to you, it sounds "that" racist to me. I would hate to have to tell someone they w [Read more]

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Apparently the UN thinks Spain is pretty racist
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=44013

And here
http://www.ohchr.org/en/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=12954&LangID=E

Apparently the nature of their racism shows up a lot in the Soccer games.
See here:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/20130131/dani-alves-racism-barcelona-