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Cruel Palace War of Flowers - shaping to be an outstanding sageuk that will leave all the ones on the main channels reeling in the dust!

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yes , agree
Cruel Palace - War of flowers, OMG I am so hooked, every week i watch the raw like 10 times and when the sub come out, i watch it again without getting bored.

OMG kim Hyun Joo is killing me with her excellent acting and beauty. I have fallen head over heels for her.

Sorry Ha Ji won's brother you cant act, but i do find him very handsome, as for his character he has to change to fit the strong Lady Jo.

I am ready for the bloody battle among the beauties.

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Yay, thank you for the recommendation! So excited to start a good sageuk. I ran to Dramafever and put it in my queue.

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oh my gosh! Okay, then i better get back to it, then. Thanks.

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Is it eng subbed?

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yes all 6 eps are subbed at dramacrazy or dramafever, the sub is coming out so fast.

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Thanks. I like period dramas so I'm always happy to hear about a new one that's good.

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I agree it's very outstanding! Love Lady Jo and the crown princess.

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Amen. Jung Ha Yun! what can I say, an amazing veteran sageuk writer. These fusion writers makes me want to pull my hair out.

The subs is pretty fast for a cable sageuk. Eps 6 aired on Sunday and the subs was out on Tuesday afternoon. A BIG THANK YOU to the unnamed subbers.

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Awesome! I wondered if this was tracking to be good. Now I'll add it to my ever increasing watching list. :)

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I'm getting ready to watch that. I was waiting for a couple more episodes but...I don't think I can wait.

Does anyone know how many episodes it will be?

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50 episodes

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I smell an extension because the show is doing well lately

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Thanks to you ladies I started this last night and loved it! I think her love interest is a cutie and has a lot of potential but this is the second role I have seen him playing the cold, serious guy. Nevertheless, looking forward to more! ;)

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Hallo d-beaners.
Thanks god it's friday already.
I'll be back soon..

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I guess it's my lucky day. I never got into top 3 before in the land of OT. Besides I had recently follow a symposium and when the quiz time, I answered 2 question rightly and won 2 prizes.

Back to my rant...

Currently finishing White Christmas, and I am having the worst withdrawal syndrome that ever happenned to me.
I watched it 2 times in the row.
I read all the recaps.
I also read all the comments on the last recaps.
It's been almost a week passed, and I can't bring myself to watch another show.

Any suggestion to cure my syndrome?
Or can you guys prescribe me which dramas to watch that has similar writing like WC.

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Dewo -

Congratulations on your timely entry.

I don't know of any other show with that kind of chemistry between do many actors coupled with the amazing cinematography. I just wanted to jump on and give that show more love!

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I love White Christmas!! Sure there's a few wholes in the end. Yet the cast was amazin. Those boys sure were pretty. Anyhow, do what I did just stalk the cast in their other dramas. They all have done 2-3 dramas after WC, and most are rather good.

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Shukmeister: yeah.... lots of love for the show. Highly recommended!

MariD: I'll do that. But, what I love most from the show is the writing (although there were some loop hole at the end of the show)

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Have you seen Shut up flowerboy band?
Good cast, great writing, and also full of pretty boys. It nothing like WC but Sung-Joon is just... Ah the feels for this guy..

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I've seen SUFBB, and I love Sung Joon. I think I'm going to watch Can We Get Married.

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Can We Get Married was really entertaining and well acted! Replying here instead of below because for some reason it's not giving me a 'reply button.' Anyway, I watched CWGM in one go over two or three days. I love Jung So Min and Sung Joon both.

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I wholeheartedly recommend Mixed-up Detective Agency (aka Evasive Detective Agency) by the same writer. A very different show, but totally enjoyable with great writing, acting, and directing. There are recaps on DB. I liked it better than White Christmas because though the writing and direction in WC were great, the acting was pretty green. Sorry, pretty boys, good to see you so much improved in your more recent projects.

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I have downloaded Mixed-Up Detective Agency on my hard disk. Now that you recomended it, I'm going to watch it ASAP.
Thank you.

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TGIF Dramabeannies!

I’m into the weekend drama 100 Years Inheritance.
Is anyone else watching this drama? Started watching cus I’m in love with the leading man....yum yum.
Just wanted to say how much I hate the character of Kim Joo Ri...she makes me want to pull out her ugly mushroom doo.
But I’m loving the character of Min Che Won’s ex-husband, he’s ridiculously metro sexual and whiney. Hahah love him!

Have a great Friday and enjoy the weekend everyone.

P.S. wish I could’ve met you Javabeans and Girlfriday....we could have done Karaoke and got our drank on!

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Hello Stella!
If you like Lee Jun Jin, you should watch 9end2outs. He is irresistible there. ^^

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Hi Mystisith,

I have seen it and he is still yummy in that. Have also seen him in Fugitive Plan B....God this man is so sexy

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I'm back into that, too! For a while it was frustrating me, but now I can't wait till the next episode.

I, too, am so sad I didn't get to the meet-up! Soju + karaoke - love it! Hopefully next time.

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KL -
We just have to make sure to make to the next one! The timing wasn't there for me, but it sounded like an amazing time, and I'm glad the DB Goddesses gave the Easties a chance to meet them!

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And from what I understand, they are all goddesses!

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At this point I'm watching it for the NDIL & her interactions with the Kim family, and also for the boy bander cousin. chae won I could slap myself, so lets not go there.

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I'm still watching it. Even if there's been some episodes where I wanted to hurt the writers. The episode where the sister walks into the river ( I assume she wanted to drown?) I was cheering along and screamed in anger when our hero show up to rescue her!!!!! By far my favorite episode was the one were all the aunts + the grandmother beat up the evil mother in law. I was laughing soo hard..

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I love Chae Won's dad. The actors is magnificent.

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Annyeong Chingoo Deul! (Modified Revised Romaja)

Happy Saturday in Korea.

Long post. Sorry. ^ ^;; A lot of ground to cover. Follow the bold... I may have to split it.

Requested from Viki "If You Were Me" all movies. It's several omnibus movies about human rights in Korea. I really like them... so I requested them. Also put in my book translation website idea.

This Week: Nine and the hair. (or a general rant about styling and complaining about it.)

The Cultural Note of the Week: Why Hangeul isn't that hard.

All About My Romance

Watched with subs, while there is word play and all of that, it's still reading as back burner drama for me. The problem is that there aren't that many crack dramas. I mean rom com crack dramas. I need to a sacrifice to my inner story beast and the Korean drama God is still failing to deliver. What gives?

It may be that City Hall ruined all political dramas set in the modern era for me.

Or that the male character is a bit too typical.

Or that I'm not really into "reforming" men directly as this drama kinda is going for. (I like the indirect method, where they change without realizing it and not because the girl actually sets out to change them, See Rich Man Poor Woman.)

I wonder if my bar is being set impossibily high after this drama drought....

Nine
(Coding spoilers)

I hadn't expected the hidden package in past SW's room to change everything. I forgot that detail. It makes me wonder who was on the table if he was rushing out after them.

"I won't be going to your wedding." (I'm doing this off of the raw.)

"Why?" (Whatever-her-real-name-is)

Me: "멍청이야! 그사람은 너 사랑해~" Mong cheong i ya! He's in love with you."

May I quote Shakespeare for dialog? "Deny thy father and refuse thy name. Or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love, And you'll no longer be a Park, but a Jew."

OK, not a direct quote, but you get the idea. Uhh... Maybe not a Jew. But a Joo.

(Yes, this is in leagues with the bad joke from last week... Which Mountain can you eat cat dumplings? Kathmandu) Ah, I want to eat cat-shaped Mandu.

OMG the note in the record did it for me combined with the last scene. I'm slain. And the previews also slay me. (The rain and what he says at the last minute. *dies*)

Objects seem to have a psychometric ability...

I usually hate Makjang. I'm a bit surprised that the recaps didn't continue given people's love for this drama, but then I realize the recappers are all busy and drama recap hell is coming since our K-drama God has finally got a decent hand of cards. I hope the god doesn't waste them.

**MAJOR SPOILER FROM EPISODE 10 OF NINE**

You're thinking I'm going to talk about the uncle speech--already covered that, while it slays me from the preview of 10, that's not it.

It's the separation of younger SW v. Older SW. Is Older SW getting erased? That may account for his headaches. He's literally getting erased from time itself. =P That means the what-is-her-name will also forget over time...

That means the onus is on Young SW to fix things... and prevent the wedding? Though they seem to be heavily foreshadowing that Older SW is going to go back one more time.

Lee Soon Sin

The mountain was just funny. Also the visor. (The ajumma visor)

Keu noonchi eopnun saram was really amusing. (Chemiisseo)

Hong Sisters
I'm looking forward to this drama too. I'm probably one of the few that actually liked the ending of Big and thought it fit the drama. I could see the things they were trying to learn in doing a remake. So I'm looking forward to more subtle jokes, along with the thriller amusement ride.

Also, some more subtle characterization as well.

Gu Family Book

Doesn't count as a spoiler if it's the first 2 episodes?

I'm a real sticklier for story over visuals, even of the male kind. So I feel so-so about the intial love story. I mean the "wronged" parent is done a whole bunch. (I can't think of a historical drama without a wronged parent right now--Can anyone?).

At the same time, I'm not sure we could said Wol-Ryeong is a "gumiho" He could count in the other category of "mountain spirit" (Sanshin???) or "Yakcha" (Who were borrowed from Hinduism). It's the point at which he becomes a "demon" that would be more the "gumiho" (Yokwe <-- Korean for demon, and gumiho are classed that way in Muism.)

I would think Kang Chi's father is more like a yakcha of the mountain, but then I may have been reading too many books on muism... (Muism has it there are spirits in the mountains that protect the forest, which are categorized as gods, not demons.) And then he became a gumiho when he failed the test...

Heo Joon
The other Gu about a book.

This is like if Horse Doctor had a writer who knew more about trad. Korean medicine, with no sighs and "What was that?" And an acupuncture sound that isn't always the same all the time (No matter the skin thickness on man or beast.)

In another words, better. Still Heo Joon has something for women dressed in yellow and pink. Isn't that dangerous once he gets to the palace? (All the underage girls are dressed in yellow...)

I found out why the writer redid the drama--mostly because the last version lacked being historically accurate... so he chose a contemporary this time for the rewrite. =P Writer pride.

Running Man (Spoiler free)

OMG, love. Myeok PD is funny too. "Shouldn't you be angry?" When dramas fail me when other variety shows fail me, Running Man doesn't.

It's the chemistry between the cast and crew that makes this show for me.

Kpop Star 2 (Spoilers)

Yay! Akdong Musicians won! The result I wanted, though I thought that Andrew Choi should have come in second, not third.

Itazura na Kiss (remake)

The acting is on target and better from her friends who sound a little less like they are trying hard to remember the script. (Woohoo! Directing does have an effect)

The pacing is still fast, but to be expected with this kind of episode count.

I still rate this one better than the Korean one. (I feel like I'm betraying my own country).

The litmus test, though, will be the rain scene, if they get there. Ariel and Joe hit all the spots perfectly and matched the manga perfectly. The Korean version didn't have the lighting, mood or atmosphere of the manga. If the Japanese version can excel past that point, then I might give it a better rating, but that's far off. Maybe they'll do it in a special?

Hair and style in dramas

"She's ugly." "What is with that haircut?" is often the refrain, but if it suits the character's concept, then I support it.

Whatever-her-name-really-is-throughout-the-show-MY/SA's hair is suiting to her character. The curling on the mushroom cut is strict, making sure it doesn't suit her face at all.

The clothing is also pretty baggy (the sweaters) and awkward on [surname-changing]MY--did you see that awful shirt in episode 10??? But the character is described in the script as being "not that good looking" and "empty-headed". In dramaland where IU is "ugly" and "awkward" I think they did a good job for her character and I'll applaud that.

Other actresses people complained about:

Park Ye Jin was made to look older on purpose in My Princess. She's younger, so they dressed her up in an older hair cut and make up.

Da Ran was made to look more clueless in big, and so also go a short do. Her coordi was also a bit awkward. (A bit more school teacher awkward.)

Obviously, the coordi and the hair are done on purpose. I mean, if you look at each of these actresses outside of their dramas, they make them "pretty" again. The model shoots promoing "Nine" have no curl on the hair, the hair is made looser, and the clothes are more form fitting. Plus she doesn't have the "blank" look in her eyes. Park Ye Jin when promoing her various works sporting the My Princess 'do, did not take the clothes and wore a younger set of make up and concept.

In summary: The coordi in the drama is almost never how they appear outside of the drama. So, if you were wondering, yes, it is intentional. Dress communicates character as much as the acting.

Though, I wonder if anyone has noticed that MY's under curl has gotten a bit less strict in recent episodes... but I may be imagining things. (The curl is also hiding layers which isn't typical of a mushroom cut.)

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Cultural Note: Hangeul

Unlike English, Hangeul has surprisingly very few exceptions to reading rules. Most of them are fairly intuitive and some of them you actually find in English if you actually listen to what you're saying. (Especially Americans)

It's systematic:
ㄱ- g/k sound (combined)
ㄲ- (k sound, closer to the English k sound, though further back in the mouth)
ㅋ- K with air in it.

So follow: (Initial sound v final)
ㅂ- b/p bap (rice) 밥
ㅈ- j/t
ㄷ- d/t
ㄱ- g/k
ㅅ- s/t

These can be doubled as:
ㅃ- p
ㅉ- jj
ㄸ- t
ㄲ- k
ㅆ- ss (as in the ss in princess.) IT IS NOT A SH sound. (My Korean teacher had a fit when I pronounced it sh) So it's "ssi" not "shi" We do not speak Japanese here. (Some lazy speakers say, "shi" but it's generally not encouraged--see end.)

Sounds that can't be doubled are put on the second row of the keyboard)
ㅁ- m/m
ㄴ- n/n
ㅇ- silent/ng
ㄹ- r/l
ㅎ- h/t

Sounds that are "hard" or aspirated. in 2-set are put on the last row.
ㅋ- k'
ㅌ- t'
ㅊ- ch' (has more air than the American version, such as "change" though people get lazy.)
ㅍ- p'

Vowels:
ㅛㅕㅑㅐㅔㅗㅓㅏㅣㅠㅜㅡ

straight lines are vowels.

Two lines on the vowel line is a "y" sound.

If you see two combined as in "원" Won, then there is a w sound.

Easy... you just need to memorize the directions of the marks and the shape of the consonants.

Easier to do it by groupings.
ㅗ- oh
ㅓ- eo (say eh, then make the "oh" sound, you get "eo"
ㅏ- ah
ㅜ- oo
ㅣ- ee (short ee sound, it's not ee and it's not a short i. Similar to the い-sound in Japanese.)

Once you get those, then the rest are easy.

ㅐ- ae (an ㅏ+ㅣ= ae) (say ah, keep your mouth shape, say, eh.) that's ae. Jap Chae.
ㅔ- eh. As in "get" "set" "met"

Then the y-vowels.
ㅛㅕㅑㅠ
yoh, yeo, ya, yoo.

It has very few pronunciation exceptions:

Korean *does* have exceptions to pronunciation rules and also lazy pronunciation. (English has a lot of exceptions... so don't say it's so hard when you have English)

ㄴ as a final consonant before the ㄹ makes an l sound.
전라도- Jeolla-do, not jeonrado.

final ㄹ with a beginning ㄹ ends with an l sound. 알라 ahlah (rather than ahl-rah)

final ㅂ before an initial ㄴ becomes an m sound. 감사합니다 (kam-sah-ha[p]m-ni-dah)

final ㄴ before an initial ㅂ sound becomes a m.

a final consonant followed by an initial consonant ㅇ negates the consonant ㅇ
생각에 is pronounced: [생가게) meaning to think.
--except in the case of ㅇ--which is special....
꼬맹이 is pronounced 꼬맨기 (for the small figures... also 꼬마)

a final h before a consonant makes the next consonant aspirated. 어떻게-->어떠케

Lazy pronunciation and cultural exceptions...

누구 (noogoo) meaning "Who" can sound like 두구 (doogoo) with some people when they are being lazy.

아파 (ah-pha) (to hurt) can sound like 아퍼 (Ah-pheo) This has to do with the Korean belief of "bright" and "dark" vowels. "ah" is a "bright" vowel. and "Eo" is a dark vowel. Getting hurt is a dark moment, so it gets a "dark" vowel. Also, I hypothesize that maybe it has to do with 아빠 (ah-ppa) sounding similar which means father. A few of them follow this rule... though it's technically not correct in spelling.

Korean, overall has a lot more back of the throat pronunciation. American English especially in the NE, tends to have a lot of sounds in the front of the mouth (as in the origin of the sound.) I always thought London English sounded more "round". (So sound comes a lot middle middle of the mouth.)

Much easier than English. Rough, through, threw, though (And we have a lot of pronunciation exceptions as well as cultural foilbles in English)

Also, consistent plurals. (when needed for distinguishing, it only goes on the noun). But grammar should be for another time.

Anyway, Hangeul is superior for rendering Korean words. And it really isn't that hard to learn. (And easier to type than English since qwerty was designed to slow down typing. (See Dvorak for something that makes more sense) and all the vowels are on one hand and all the consonants on the other.

You now can read the Korean in Episode 10 of the drama "Nine". =P "Wae anwayo" "Kidari neun de" (I guess when your future self comes to the past, you still use jeonmal. Haha. In every day Korean, when writing to yourself, you usually use informal. Or I was told. =P)

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This is brilliant! When I get on a computer, I'm copying this into Evernote.

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Thank you. This is quite helpful. Since I try to study Hangul by myself.

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Darn it! I've been a lazy student with my Korean lessons lately. Need to catch up this WE...
Will copy & paste this on my comp.
Thanks!

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saving this, very interesting!

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I have a question.
What is this about 'lazy pronounciation'? Is this some kind of when you speak too fast some words are missing in their pronounciation? Or what?

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Oops typo.
I mean 'some letters are missing'

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In languages there are words that we naturally have a hard time pronouncing with their "proper" (proper used loosely) pronunciations.

For example in American English: "Water" with the "t" sound often comes out as "Wader". (Wah-der)

/t/ is harder to say than a /d/ in this case. (I can go over the phonetics of why, but you'll understand).

Nugu is a nasal and harder to say than "dugu" because air isn't being pushed up.

the /p/ becoming a /m/ is something that Japanese also shares, because plosives /b/, /p/ etc take more mouth work. (try it) and are harder to say before a nasal such as /n/. (/m/ is also a nasal).

ssi also takes more work than "shi" (try it... the mouth is rounder on "shi" which means less mouth movement.)

I hope that makes sense. All languages and dialects tend to have this kind of thing. The idealized version, versus what it is in practice.

But "Nugu" v. "dugu" is lazy. (They just don't want to push the sound up into their nose)

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I get it. Thanks for the explanation.
I think in my language (I'm an Indonesian) its hard to find the example of lazy pronounciation. Because you say it as it written there. But there are different pronounciation for some letters depend on which parts of Indonesia you came. Such as pronounciation between p and f, j and z.

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I didn't realize the whole "wader" thing though, until it was pointed out to me. Sometimes sound blending, etc is so ingrained, you don't realize it until someone pokes at it for you.

Don't know Indonesian, so I'm not sure which words would have it, but I'm taking a stab, they are probably a few you aren't aware of in the mainstream dialect.

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I noticed this, too. For example, to say "Thank you", I see this written as "Kamsahamnida" yet it sounds like "Kamsamnida" when spoken.

Another that has me scratching my head is "Hello". I see this written as "Anyounghaseyo" yet it almost sounds like "Yeoboseyo"...perhaps two different words are used for hello??

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One is for the phone such as "Hello" and the other is for in person.

Literally the Annyeonghaseyo 안녕하세요 (formal speech, lower half of formal.) means "Are you at peace?" or "Be at peace" Similar to "Shalom"

Yeoboseyo 여보세요 is for phones only. (In Kyeonsangmal it comes out either as "Yeobosyo" or "Yeobosiyo") Occasionally used to flag down people who aren't paying attention to you.

English used to make this distinction. "Good day" for example. But it no longer does.

There is a similar rule in Japanese as well. (Kon'nichiwa 今日は (Literally, this day, but more colloquially, Good day) v. もしもし) You'll notice that a lot of the grammar rules match up, but that's because the languages are considered related by linguists.

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Oh, thank you thank you!!! I do know the letters in hangul but I always had problems with the pronunciation exceptions.

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Heartfelt thanks for all of the above.

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Is this a series? Because this is AWESOME.

Happy Friday everyone!

Also, Nine, I just - the last scene of 10 - with the (what guts! Imagine how awkward it would have been otherwise) - and the previews - and the RAIN -

I HAVE SO MUCH FEELS AND NOWHERE TO PUT THEM ALL!!

Can't WAIT till Monday.

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I did a few other cultural notes the last two weeks. Like phone conversations in Korea and the death trap known as taxis (well, not really. It's for your wallet.)

Also highlighted information from Nine which needed cultural notes. (Was requested, so I spent time doing it since I looked up what it was talking about, etc and know some nuances.)

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Please continue doing this. It is so helpful.

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Thank you for this. I'm teaching myself Korean, and although I *read* Hangul, I can't pronounce it at all! I find the textbook explanations to be lacking. I will definitely use this!

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Are you a speech pathologist or a linguist? Your explanations are very good!

ssi--I had wondered if the tongue placement of this sound is between s and sh, which would make falling back to sh would be more likely that way.

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Majoring in Cultural Anthropology. My major interest in Cultural Anthro is culture media exchange.

I also have smaller hobbies in religion, language, food, and art.

I'm also working on, but have on hold, a Graphic Design degree.

I'm nerdish all around anyway...

Anyway, ssi has the tongue a bit more forward than shi, but I think also, you have to force more air through the lips, and form your lips a little harder (say ee, keep your lips there and compare to shi) More lip movement==less likely it will happen. I'd bet it's more on the lips...

Still, I was told that's a no-no. Which is why I dislike the romaja "Ajeosshi" Uhh... no. Incorrect in formal Korean dominant-power base Korean (As supposed to the dialects which I don't know how that holds up in.).

^^ I tend to suck at grammar and memorization of vocabulary, but all of my language teachers say I have a really good ear for language. I can distinguish sounds fairly well. TT I'm not so good at Mandarin though. The tones kill me. I can tell there is a difference, just not which one.

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That's interesting! I'm a speech path and I am interested in speech sounds since I spend a lot of time breaking them down for people who need help.

English does not have any sounds that are differentiated by how forceful the escaping air is, so I can see why English speakers would commonly mistake -ssi for -sh.

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Thank you!!

I wish there were sound bites.

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this is really nitpicky, but it's jondae, not jeonmal (전말 has a different meaning than 존댓말, which is formal/honorific speech)

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Kim Yoonmi -

Oh dear! To my horror, my Thank You post was not here! ...... I meant to say "Thank You" early this morning (my local time) for taking the time to share your Cultural Notes post. ....... I could've sworn I hit the right key on my computer, but apparently I didn't ..... so here I am, writing this now (late at night, my local time).

This was very interesting indeed. Thank you again!

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You are so right about purpose and character fashion. Folks sometimes don't see how important the clothes designer is to a drama. I saw some of those arguments about clothing here and on the internet. And when folks talk about an actress being ugly, I can only thin, "how young are these folks that they say an actress is ugly?" I always wonder why audiences often want characters to look incredibly beautiful. It's the "this character should look like she's on a fashion runway syndrome."

I remember writing a scene with a very dumpy character -- one who, like Jae In, was not comfortable in her body and really not trained in fashion. I was so proud of this character wearing a scarf on her head and a jumper dress. I had nailed the style. Off to my writing group where one woman said very contemptuously, "But she sounds so country." I was like, "Seriously??"

A character is a character. A character who never had a chance to have a fashionista mom or friend help her develop feminine skillz is not gonna have a great hair cut.

Ooh, that reminds me. Kinda apropos. Everyone in the US media hated Kevin Costner's haircut in The Bodyguard. Mercifully there were a few voices saying, "Darnit, people! He's a bodyguard! What kinda haircut is he supposed to have?"

Also: when the Ciaran Hinds version of Persuasion came out, one reviewer (Jeffrey something) said he couldn't like the main heroine or the main hero because they were not beautiful. His co-reviewer, Mike Medved gave him a weird look, and he got a good slamming in the media for that. Seriously? I know Aristotle said great and exceptional things should be made to happen to great and exceptional people (paraphrasing here) but I don't think he meant that only the exceptionally beautiful people are allowed to have passionate lives.

People are getting way shallow in demanding normal frumpy characters look like fashion icons. I might be a total boy crazy nut but if the story is good, but we shouldn't judge a character on how she looks or how fashionable her hair cut is.

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The exception to all this is Kim Woo Bin. ;-) Otherwise I totally agree.

And it reminds me of a cute Block B matchup returns clip (4/4 on 7ontheblock YouTube) where the gorgeous one, Jaehyo, admits all the girls go for Zico and then bursts out with, "why? Seriously, why him? I'm so much better looking!" [i swear, I almost died laughing.]

And there's just no substitute for charisma!

So yeah, looks aren't everything - unless you're Woobie...

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Charisma is sooo good. When I was watching All about my relationship, I started thinking the hero -- Mr Spring Water who is made to clear the manure and sewer-- was a good actor but by no ways cute. (I usually don't fall for handsome or masculine guys, it's always got to be someone very pretty) But now, well, I'm suddenly enamoured of him. Charisma, definitely. He's got something.

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I agree.

I'm not thrilled about the haircut in Lee Soon Sin on Joon Ho, but I think for the character being clueless, it has a kinda "Larry Curly Mo" moment to it, which makes me like it for the character.

I like writing the occasional frumpy character, 'cause they exist in real life too.

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Safari just ate my longish post. I HATE SAFARI.

Too annoyed to retype everything, here's a summary:

Rich Man Poor Woman Special Didn't like it. :-(
Nine Still loving it.
Gu Family Book I'm with everyone that thinks Seo Hwa's action were a complete logical fail.
xxxHolic Haven't watched episode 7, because if I do I'll have only one episode left to watch. *bawls*
Kogure Shashinkan Started last week. Watching for Kamiki Ryunosuke. And Narumi Riko.
Don Quijote (2010) Such good fun. Why is Matsuda Shota's filmography not longer? I'll watch anything with him.

Only reading recaps for Lee Soon-shin, at this point too many of the characters are still too annoying for me.

Waiting for subs on Saikou no Rikon. Might try: Kasuka no Kanojo; Kamo, Kyoto he Iku.

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if you get the lazarus app, then if your post gets eaten up, the browser should still save it. Lazarus has saved my very talkative butt more than once.

Talkative butt? uhm..no.

talkative posts, then.

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Seems to be only for Firefox though.

I tried Firefox and didn't like it. Tried Chrome too and it just requires way too much RAM. Been fighting with Safari for a while (it has several very annoying bugs), but I'm not finding a browser that works for me.

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I had trouble with Safari as well. Am using Chrome. . .but yeah...Chrome definitely eats up memory. And it is very annoying especially when one opens more than three windows or when some antivirus is downloading. I use Lazarus on Chrome because it has messed me up way too often.

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Actually, I managed to find Lazarus for Safari, kamsa hamnida!!!

I'm the sort of person that has about 30 tabs open at the same time. O_O

I did double my RAM recently to 8GB which has made things a lot smoother....

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[email protected] butt. Hehe...I sound 9 about now :P

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Eh? Rich Man Poor Woman Special... why?

I thought it resolved the loose ends well. Plus Makoto has some seriously good GUI powers.

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Because I found it painful to watch how Hyuga and Makoto didn't communicate until pretty much the final scene. And I realised that Hyuga is very very flawed and that in real life I'd run a mile from him (I mean, he's 30 something, right?).

In the dorama it didn't bother me, I think, because Makoto spoke up a lot more (being the only one to sometimes say her mind to Hyuga) while in the special she seemed to simply accept pretty shit treatment (she comes all the way from Brazil for a week and he doesn't even have five minutes for her?).

I didn't like the whole office persuading her either after they had broken up, it's not of their business to start with and secondly that's the sort of thing your BFF gets to do, not (former) work colleagues. Maybe Yoko, but the rest? And "you are the only one for him"? Did they ever ask if HE is the only one for HER? Of course, in this story he is, but I don't buy the 'one and only' romantic notion and felt Makoto was mostly a love-sick puppy wanting a relationship with Hyuga, while Hyuga didn't care too much at all? They had been in a relationship for a while, even if a long-distance one. I was expecting the "I can't handle your bear towel on my towel rack" hijinks, but not some of his other behaviour.

Of course, the writers set up well for season 2 with all this, they can explore how the two do become a couple.

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hee hee hee. A woman after my own heart. When it originally aired, I didn't like the whole expectation thing. If he is deeply wounded, yeah maybe one should coddle him and not demand too much. But...after a while, I grew to hate the whole "understand how deep your man is and forgive his silences or his weirdness" aspect of some J-dramas (and Playful Kiss) just grates. Maybe in the next season the writers will get all subversive

And do not get me started on intrusive people advising other people.

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I think it just sends the wrong message in the end, especially if it's, say, impressionable teen girls watching.

Relationships are about two people giving and comprising and working things out together. There was a sense of that in the dorama when they got together. But the special, I felt, went the other way. She went after him (though he broke up with her!) and said "I will change for you" (urghhhh!). She did add "I'm not perfect, so you have to change too" but that wasn't enough for me. Plus, you can't base a relationship on change you hope for, nor should you change for others b/c it doesn't work.

Yeahh, J-doramas (also K and TW dramas I would say) too often are very accepting of behaviour that is just plain wrong and, in real life, would be a major red flag... I mean, no one is perfect, but certain things (respect, willingness to communicate, trust etc.) have to be there.

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I think the communication problems in the Special are debatable for most people, and real. So, it cannot be discounted. Change, while agreeing with you, was actually weaved through with the jItec, asahina, etc. So over all there's quite a fodder there for another series. Re watched the special every nite since it got subbed. Mmm turning out to be quite a Fan here.

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I agree, communication problems are a real thing for many people, but it felt extreme and like they didn't talk at all.

And when they (half-) talked, they were sitting at a wedding (though somehow no one seemed to notice they were breaking up right then and there).

I expected Asahina's redemption to irritate me, but that felt more natural to me than other parts!

There's definitely lots of stuff to work with for another series. I'm 99% they will do a second season. But if they didn't, this would be such a frustrating conclusion (for me).

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I agree with you that the depictions of sacrifice for your man are pretty horrible (especially from a Yankee veiwpoint). What I wanted to mention though is this: I rewatched the parts of Playful Kiss I can stand the other day, and I just felt so much HATE for robot boy. It was a good kind of hate, revitalizing, really. It made me happy to be single.

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Regarding the ugly haircuts (particularly the mushroom bowl cut):

You're right. The hairstyle and clothes are fashioned to the character's personality. But there are some instances when the mushroom bowl cut is ugly and instances when it is not.

1. Hwang Jung Eum sported that hairstyle in Can You Hear My Heart and now in Incarnation of Money.I found it suitable on her in the former drama than the latter because it matched the mannerisms and personality of the character whereas in IoM, it seemed uglier because of the "ugly" personality (in my view) of the Jae In character.

2. Lee Young Ah sported the hairstyle in Vampire Prosecutor Season 1 and it seemed the most suitable on her because of the character she played. In fact, I was a tad bit disappointed that her hair changed in season 2 before I warmed up to the new style.

In short, the Jae In character was the only one whose mushroom bowl cut I could not tolerate because it wasn't suitable for her character.

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But would the character Jae In know what haircut is suitable for her?

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Yes! She so would! Anyway, I'm hardly ever happy with k drama heroines' hair. Seems like they go for a Drama Style.

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I think she certainly would considering how into her looks she is. Too bad her drama stylist didn't consider it.

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Oh yeah: anyone interested in movies, Woo-sung Jung is taking over the lead role in the independent feature 나를 잊지 말아요 (Remember O Goddess). I couldn't help but squeal Mr Padam Padam! when they made that announcement...

Will write a blog post about it later!

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About Nine - i agree with you that Older SW, after meeting his younger self and given that he is indeed a smart young man - all this has begun to move into a different direction than what his older self reality is at the moment. I think that younger SW will prevent the wedding of his brother and maybe the truth behind the death of his father. This will certainly redirect his life path into another direction - he may not be an anchor man in a TV broadcasting staion. He maybe a doctor and then take over his father's hospital?

The question: is his older brother his father's son??

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Silence in Korean usually means yes, doesn't it? Mother's Silence==Yes. (Not always true).

She said, "Don't say that."

Not, "That's not true. Why would you say that?" (Going off of the Korean here)

Also, I think part of the guilt (Her catatonia/shock) and the reason for the "accident" was because of that.

I still would like them to layer SW's father one more step than the jealous and narrow-minded man he turned out to be... SW must like him for a reason.

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In general silence does mean consent (or agreement) but like you said, not necessary so. If he is not his father's son (then the birth secret is out and done with) and when young SW found out (i believe that he will) it will set in motion a chain reaction that would affect the current SW - like you said he is being erased!!

Could it mean that he will die (not becos of the brain tumour) even younger and due to other reasons? You can't mess with fate - if you do, the story seems to say that you will have to pay!! Case in point - he tried unsuccessfully to prevent the death of his father, only by a few hours becos it was his father's fate to die at that point in time (not necessary the exact minute) and nothing could have prevented that. Just my thoughts on possible scenario.

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I meant silence in some languages actually means "no" (some dialects too) It's not a universal.

I'm going with the theory that Mom from what she said did cheat...

Ah, we'll have to wait for the next two episodes, which, I think, will be nail biters.

I do like how the rivals in Nine aren't the typical ones.

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Yay Kpop star 2 winners akdong musician! I loved the combo performanc I Don't Need a Man and their version of Mmmbop. Very talented and cool songer/songwriters - folk pop, or?... I hope they keep their unique personalities and talent direction !

For variety show Hwasin – ep 7 – Woo Bin – just watch the 2nd half. So cute, so cute! He did such a cool thing for his sister’s graduation (White Christmas fangirls, check it out)
Hwasin – ep 6 – G Dragon – hot, hot, too!

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KimYoonmi,

One day, I'd love to see a post on "How NOT to be an Ajumma". I am 45 so I can't really escape being an ajumma chronologically, however, I don't need/want to do/wear things that bring on the negative connotation that seems to be connected to this word. To me, an ajumma would wear "mom jeans", you know, the high-waisted ones from the 1980s.

Along with avoiding the mom jeans, I am imagining there are things one should not do or wear. If ll goes well, I will be heading to Korea for a few months in about a year or so. This would be really useful to know.

Thanks!

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Ajumma (Ajooma) in Korea is different from, the US though.

Ajumma features:
- The Sun visor. (full face) The belief in Korea is that your skin is more susceptible to the sun after you have children. (I was told this) You'll see Soon Sin sporting one in episode 9.

- Bright colors.
Unlike in the US, bright colors and gold is associated with ajumma. I tried to buy these socks in Korea (with my relatives there) and I was flat out told "no" that's for old people. I was severely told against it.

Only in dramas are there bright colors.

This is mostly because during the Japanese occupation, western fashion was brought in and they tried to suppress Korean culture, which in the Joseon era did have lots of bright colors. As a result, many people who want to seem "modern" where black and white. Even the cars in Korea are muted blues and blacks (I was taking a count for occasions like this).

This means the older generation that remembers the Korean empire, etc often wear bright colors in the tradition of the Joseon empire...

(I kinda find it depressing though.)

3. The curl.
I asked why... and I'm still not sure. I've asked several Koreans too... But something about perms makes you an ajumma. (100% Korean here and I can get my hair to naturally curl, but not in an ajumma way... ^^;; It may be because I'm several generations of Kim Hae, and that Indian princess might have had wavy hair since that was considered a sign of beauty.)

4. Fat.

Well, gains weight and kinda dumpy... The theory being that children keep you in the house. (from a Korean POV).

5. Loud patterns.

I have no idea about why this is. I haven't heard any theories on it.

6. Plastic pants.

Something the US shares. You know, Nylon pants, the really horrible kind. It's like the 50's and 60's got stuck to them.

But the Ajeossi also tend to wear those polo shirts....

My American grandparents also did this, so I'm not sure if it's a worldwide thing.

7. Bend over back as one turns Halmoni.
(usually straight, no hunched shoulders... in other countries it's not the same). It was explained to me that it's a sign of "pride" and also of "fitness". I was teased ruthlessly for my American style climbing a mountain. (hunched shoulders, dragging my feet, giving into the angle of the mountain). May also be all the climbing mountains counts.

8. Not always true: shuffled feet.
(From wearing slippers inside all day).

This is how I know someone over here is Korean v. Japanese without them opening their mouth if they are 40+. =P Ajumma are so easy to spot.

I should note in the country, if you reach 30, you're considered an Ajumma. In Seoul, they'll still call you Agassi. (My brother was laughing hard and teasing me, until I said, "Well, then, you're an ajeossi." He frowned in that stereotypical Kyeongsang man way (Several people have said he's like a stereotypical Kyeongsang man in personality... despite growing up in the US). And I smiled to myself at my sweet revenge.)

In the US, you get the mom jeans, the frazzled ponytail, the listless eyes, the haven't gotten out of the house, overalls/elastic pants, sneakers 24-7 and often a t-shirt as the markers. 'cause in the US stereotype, Moms don't get out of the house much, even for play dates. Whereas in Korea, in order to develop social skills, play dates are considered an absolute must. (In China and Japan from what I've heard/know)

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Thank you for your descriptions - sometime could you tell us what a stereotypical Kyeongsan man is like? (and any other regions?) Very interesting...

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The stereotype goes that "Kyeongsang women are loud" and "Kyeongsang men are silent."

I've been told this repeatedly. =P Mostly from people from Seoul.

Also been told Kyeongsang people tend to be far more blunt than people from Seoul. This one, I have no sample size for, but between me, my brother, and relatives, my brother and I tend to be more blunt, but we grew up in the US... and I resisted learning tact for a long time. (My noonchi abilities got me into steep amounts of trouble, socially in the US.)

Oh and the "silent" thing tends to be accompanied by small expressions. So Jong Hwa... stereotypical. Gary... stereotypical... (Gary also sometimes breaks out with the dialect.)

Gong Yoo, probably not. (He's from Daegu)

My brother... dead on the money. =P His ex, who lived in Korea had a hard time reading his emotions. He's been accused of being "Japanese" a few times too. (Maybe he's overdoing it. <-- teasing.) I told him to fix his pronunciation so it has the proper inflection, and he said, "I don't want to sound like a girl." His equivalent of disgust, which is a brief small frown. He used to translate my words and I'd translate his expressions. Also, when you're right about talking about him, he'll never confirm in words. You are wrong, he'll say something, but often bluntly.

But, then I'm kinda picking on him in that sibling way. =P He'd pick on me and say, "You got scammed by that taxi." - -;; Yeah. And also, "At least I'm realistic." His justification for being pessimistic. <-- I defeated that by getting to go to Jang Geun Seok's agency and dropping off some gifts for the Hong Sisters and Jang Geun Seok (for the YAB Thank You project done through soompi.). (Secret location) I didn't gloat in front of him, though.

His manager let us drop it off there. I hope the Hong Sisters got it~~.

(I also knit a scarf for his manager as a thank you for the trouble. ^^;;)

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Eh, If you're heading to Korea, I can give you pointers for places to go without having to resort to a tour guide, especially on the cheap and get some nice shots of Seoul.
Koreans also tend to be really friendly. (there are scammers, like Taxi drivers, but often you'll find extra helpful people.)

I've been to Jeolla, Seoul and Kyeongsang.

Cheju and Building 63 (My Girl) hate me though. I shall defeat them yet!

I was almost on camera for Running Man when I hung round Myeongdong consecutively. ^^;; I ducked it though. I only figured it out later on when I saw Yoo Jae Seok and then saw the episodes. (I wasn't fast enough with my camera. TT)

If you hang around Myeongdong they often have TV events there. I got some pictures of Trot celebrities too.

Anyway, let me know, and I can highlight some of my favorite places. Name your dramas too, and you might be able to go to those locations.

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I am reading all your posts in awe. What a wealth of information that you're taking the time to explain to us. Really, really appreciate it.

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Your posts fascinate me, I feel like I'm getting an education via kdrama-fangirling, lol. But I admit I have a little of the 80 proof in me right now, and I'm wondering about this

It may be because I’m several generations of Kim Hae, and that Indian princess might have had wavy hair since that was considered a sign of beauty.

what does it mean? I tried to goofle Kim Hae and all I found was a wikipedia page which didn't explain the Indian princess or wavy hair story at all :(

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I think she meant that her family has straight hair like most asains do and she wants to have her hair curled cause wants to be pretty like Indian princess.... Hope i understood her right..... Anyway, I enjoyed reading all your posts and drama recaps last several months since I discovered the dramaland, started watching kdrama very late in 2004 (not like my fellow mongolians who obsessed with kdrama starting late 90s) and so far devoting all my free hours to catch up my dramas....

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Yeah, I tried to figure this one out too. WHat's the explanation?

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Kim Hae== Kim Suro and Heo Hwang Ok. It's a Kimchi (not the food. =P Give me time and I'll pun that). They gave rise to the massive Kim Kim Hae clan and the Heo Kim Hae clan.

Heo Hwang Ok was Indian, through and through. I kinda dispute the Korean cultural theory, though, that she lived in what is now China, for several reasons.

Anyway, in India, there are women with wavy hair.

Culturally and traditionally, Indian women were selected by men as being "more pretty" when they had wavy hair.

I'm kinda strange as being 100% Korean, a few generations Kim Hae and having NATURALLY wavy hair. (I can get it to naturally curl with encouragement as well. I just need hair wax).

Being kinda tabooed several generations of Kim Hae, doubling up my gene pool from that Indian princess, perhaps that's why I have wavy hair.

My brother also naturally has a darker face than I do... and several Kim Hae also tend to report it. (supposedly)

People argue with me I must have some kind of foreign blood and not be 100% Korean because my hair will wave on its own. But the reports I have from my family is that I am several generations Kim Hae... so uhh... I'm kinda like super Koreaned, since Kim Hae is the largest clan in Korea. (This is somewhat of an insider's joke... So, umm... do not repeat as fact.)

Most Koreans do not have wavy hair naturally. =P I'm blaming it on my ancestor Heo Hwang Ok. (Though it's kinda a lame attempt at a joke.)

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@KimYoonMi - thank you for the explanation, that's fascinating to know! Is it widely accepted in Korea that Heo Hwang Ok was Indian, or do most people believe she was Chinese? (either way, a foreign princess in the bloodline is an interesting thing to have).

And I do know there are women with wavy hair in India - I'm one myself ^_^.
Had no idea wavy hair was considered pretty, though, if anything the traditional bias here is/was only about hair length and darkness (long and black =good) , texture didn't seem to matter other than excessively rough, curly hair= not good.

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@Pogo

She was definitely North Indian, she left from Ayodhya.

The legend says she left Ayodhya and then traveled to Korea by boat to the Kyeongsang region and married Kim Suro. She had 12! Children, 2 of which took her name. (10 sons, 8 became Kim, the other two became Heo, and the 2 daughters, who married into Silla. One of the brothers left into Silla.).

=P Been doing my research for a book.

There are several lines of evidence for supporting this legend, including goods from India (though there are records of other Indian Princesses marrying into Korea) and carbon dating on a rock in Korea, though from after her arrival, by a grandson IIRC.

What I dispute is how she left India. I don't think she traveled to what is now China. There is a stone there with her name on it, but the theory she left India and stayed in China is problematic. It would throw out that she was a Princess, which the original story was firm about.

It also leads to problems with the dowry and clothing mentions as well in the original legend. Such as the "taking off the pants" (trousers for those Brits) and burning them. Tailored clothing, as described only came to India with the Kushan Empire.

Also the original archaeologist kinda messed up when he spotted Kissing fish and didn't properly research--he assumed they were the mark of the royal family, but in ancient Hinduism and Buddhism, it's a sign of fertility and the ability to control the sea, which is central to the legend about this ancestor.

There also wasn't a royal family living in Ayodhya at the time.

And so on. My running theory is that she's probably Kushana.... who had tailored clothing, the mineral deposits for what was described and a sea to leave by, which would require magic that's mentioned in the story.

As for the wavy hair thing? I was researching for the book and looked up ancient standards for beauty. I can't cite where I found it, 'cause uhh... It's not PG-13 or women friendly *^^* But since it's roughly contemporary to the time, I'll believe it and think that women were considered beautiful with wavy hair. Also giving a high liklihood, she had wavy hair too.

The amount of research I put in... and the level of detail. *sighs* I hope to get past the point I'm stuck.

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@kimyoonmi, I want to read your book now!

Could you blog about the South Asian princesses and queens in Korea and give links, perhaps?

Yes, I saw the clothes were moghul and that some of the Korean actors looked more south Asian than the princess. :-)

Would a princess from South Asia really come all that way based on a dream and without arrangement with the Korean king?

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Agreed! Thank you SO much for the detailed information. I can see one or two things that I need to take care of before heading over there so this heads up was wonderful.

:)

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Age is all in the mind. So, don't show it in the clothing. Bright colours as ajumaaish may have to do with the confidence mature women acquire. I live now in a country where black is the colour of choice. Has to do with their farming background. Confidence is key. Don't try to look youngish with mini skirts or tight jeans as I read it is a no no for over 40s. Makes sense because our softening skin brings in some dips and not smooth profile anymore. In several countries I've lived in, colour comes in only on Fridays, where it is casual Friday work wear.
Frumpy or dowdy is again how you carry yourself. Women at 40 need the extra fat layers which can hide some hormones which our body will need. So, don't worry about that. Just don't wear clothes that cling. Don't get those that completely hide shape either. You still need shape so you don't appear ajumaaish.

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@kimyoonmi Thank you for that explanation. I just looked that princess up and it seems she just up and left ayodhya and married the king in Korea. Probably showing up with a boat full of bullion helped things along.

But still, what a brave thing to do! And now I'm wondering, do Koreans like South Asian looks?

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Ooh, I'm going to watch Kim Soo Ro the drama now!

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I'm not KYM but I'm guessing that like much of Asia (including the Indian subcontinent) darker skin isn't really considered a 'good' feature in South Korea, but I was surprised about the hair part.

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Kim Suro was kinda inaccurate. Which is why I'm writing a version (which I was going to do before the drama) that is accurate (like no tailored clothing. No needle piercing, and accurate sandals.)

Koreans, from history, come from Mongolia, Vietnam and India maternally, often.

India from the Three Kingdoms era. (Several princesses and Queens married into Silla, Gaya and Paekche)

Mongolia from Goryeo. (If you forgot Faith... or the Great Seer) Google Yuan...

And Vietnam from more recently. (Hanoi Bride).

I memorized the accompanying drama titles to back me up.

Dark skin, though isn't considered a plus, mainly among women than men. You can blame the Chinese standards of beauty for that. (Where they *used* to believe (and they being mostly ancient men) dark skin meant a hateful nature... along with being fat, too skinny (their words) and having freckles.) (Freckles are still frowned upon in East Asia. TT But I have them... an anomaly in my family, or my Korean mother took care of her skin better than I do and covered for it.)

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@TS
Warning: India is portrayed sorely wrong in the drama Kim Suro. Historically and culturally....

I warned my friend from India about it, so if she did choose to watch it, she would be ready.

The clothes are clearly Mughal Empire. The actress is clearly Korean, there are tailored clothing, and they also bungled the original legend mostly on purpose. (And they got the male clothes wrong too).

I was fist shaking it since I'd already done my research.

I'm focusing on Heo Hwang Ok, rather than Kim Suro for my novel. I'm not sure it'll sell, but I'll sure try.

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Follow up on spoiler alert + my theory on development!

Ohh, I like your theory about SW potentially getting erased and that being the reasons for his headaches. I'm with you that younger SW knowing about the future is bound to change something, at it makes sense with older SW's comment about not knowing what his younger self is going to do next.

I also have a theory that the reason the doctor friend and SW both retails the memories is that both have been confronted with the changes. Doctor friend through being told, but also through finding the christmas card and so on. This occurred to me especially when MY finds the record sheet and starts getting flashbacks; indicating that the link between the different "versions of the future" are being confronted with evidence of the existence of the different versions.

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Yes, the psychometry of objects seems to be important. (Objects hold memories of the heart).

But that means for Doctor Choi to discover the "change" he needs an object to see the other timeline.

Also his brother as well, whom we have NOT seen having two memories.

With this drama, I'm assuming that most of the time, the first theory is not the real theory that it actually is. So that whole "disconnected" and "getting punished for playing God" thing is too easy... It's been said, but it feels red herring for me.

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Yeah I agree with you. Doctor Choi seems to have the same ability to remember the different versions as SW. Though I think his knowledge about the inscent sticks and the pr-existing knowledge about what SW is about to do can have an influence as well (or that he is about to do something).

Choi has also been confronted with evidence that trigger the past, (such as the Christmas card) which he otherwise didn't recall which could help in his recollection. Not to mention the time he keeps an active eye on the newspaper article over SW's fathers death; waiting for, and expecting it to change.

I agree with the "getting punished for playing God" is a red herring. There is bound to be something else lurking in the background. Which also makes younger SW's focus on meeting up with his older self an interesting aspect. Because while changing the past made SW loose his love, there is no knowing what else can be "lost" if the young SW doesn't live his life, but focuses on what he knows is set to come about in the future.

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I still think Present SW is destined to go back one at least more time, 'cause of the title. What's the use of calling it Nine, when it's really 7?

So Past SW probably won't mess that much.

However, it is clear that if Park-Appa had NOT died, SW would have not likely become a reporter, his brother wouldn't have married, and SW would be pressured into running the hospital.

I think past SW will not go crazy, since he was pretty practical about the "Why didn't you come?" Such as writing journals, and figuring out where his future self lives.

"Why didn't you come?" "I am waiting for you."

Which all leads to a heavy foreshadow of at least one more trip, but seriously, the title is a spoiler. They aren't going to use Nine twice in a title without actual follow through. That would be kinda nuts.

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Yeah those sticks are going to make an reappearance at some point.

I agree, for everything to happen Park-Appa's death would need to happen. Also to have the character consistency of the brothers hidden breakdown.

He probably won't go crazy, but it is interesting to see how much of his life is dedicated into waiting for his older self to turn up.

What will be interesting is also who will do the last trips. Since the sticks are currently (for all we know) in 92/93. But they would not called it Nine and then not use all the chances. Interesting bit would also be if SW somehow uses the remaining ones to stop himself changing the past or not.

On a side note it would have been interesting to see young SW and MY's interactions, because regardless of the "past future" there seem to be some of the same connection between them.

Though this is just my brain doing off into it's own. To much dissertation and essay stress :p

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I'm Hindu and I absolutely no idea what a Yaksha is. Is it a "Rakshasa" or a "Asura" based term? Do you think you could explain this?

Also, would you be able to go a bit more in depth about the differences between a Yaksha and a Gumiho and a demon?

Thanks! I love your posts.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaksha

were nature spirits.

In Korea, that became Yakcha. They got imported into Korean lore probably around 300-400 AD? Or earlier. I'm guessing though, they really came with buddhism. (Which is dated to 300-400 AD, Northern type.)

Muism then also imported many ideas from Buddhism.

Gumiho is a nine-tailed demon. Usually classed as a fox spirit. Korean lore is slightly different from the Japanese Kitsune and the Chinese lore.

Gumiho == demon.

Yakcha == good spirits (usually) protectors of the mountains.

I would think Gu-papa is actually a Guardian God of the forest/mountain. (Muism says every mountain has spirits and also mountains are often considered sacred ground.)

So the lore would be that Gu-papa is a Guardian Spirit (Yakcha)/Shin, and that when he got rejected, he'd turn Gumiho... at least from a Muism perspective. I'm not sure if that's intentional. (Since Muism isn't well-known in Korea even... Moon/Sun did a terrible job with it...)

Anyway, Muism definitely makes that distinction. And Muism is definitely cool.

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*correction Yakcha== good spirits which INCLUDES protectors of mountains. (as imported into Muism)

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The Itazure na Kiss you refer to is the newest one from Japan, right? I just watched the first episode and really enjoyed it. It made me laugh where the Korean version didn't. I don't usually watch Japanese dramas, so this is a new experience for me and I'm looking forward to watching more!

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Yes, Better than the Korean version, worse than the It Started with a Kiss version. Still solid, though.

If you want better J-dramas, I have a list...

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Akdong Musician deserved first place. But I think Shin Ji Hoon and Choi Ye Geun shouldn't have left so early. Andrew is okay, but not good enough to deserve the second place.

Again, this all comes down to the matter of personal preference.

From a Kpopstar fan.

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LOL perfect choice of OT song this week!

Happy Friday OT Beanies! For some of you who were so fortunate to attend the #DBMeetup last night, should I be speaking in a soft and low monotone instead and tiptoeing around the room today? I'm sure there's gonna be some epic hangovers going on today… Anyway, hope you all had a grand time -- us Left Coasters should try and do something ourselves soon!

Drama Watching This Week: Besides my real-life series playing out, I'm not really following any of the current shows with the exception of 'When A Man Loves,' which caught my attention from the get-go. Fan Service has never been so plentiful and I bow 90º to the PD-nim for his insight and wisdom in knowing exactly what the viewing public demands. *snerk* It's not a Rocket Science Drama, peeps - just park your brains and enjoy SSH in all his Hand Towel and Absilicious Glory. Just finished Episode 4 -- I am definitely on Team Maknae FTW now!

I started Episode 1 of 'Gu Family Book' and found it off-the-charts hella awesome, but I know there's going to be some major heartache and heartbreak coming up in Episode 2. So I'm putting it aside for when I can hide my face from some ugly crying that I know will result from watching. Sigh.

Most of this week was taken up with job wrapping-up (we're on a day-to-day schedule until the managing partner puts 'the box' on my desk and tells me to pack up). Since I've never really gone more than a week or two between jobs over the past 12 years, this time I may take a sabbatical while planning my next move. I don't feel comfortable starting a new job and then telling them I'm going to be away for three weeks at the end of June. But we'll see...

Where most of my waking hours are spent is trolling the Interwebs for news about "The Days" musical. Now that it's finally premiered, I could not be more happier! Soooooo many films and pictures and BTS and everything -- I'm going to need to purchase another 2 TB hard drive to house all this wonderful stuff!! (If you're asking 'what the hell is she spouting about,' I drafted up an overview on my blog for the uninformed.) I made sure that the two performances I'm attending mixed it up; one night it's Yoo Jun-sang and My Precious, and the next night it's Oh Man-seok and His Cuteness in the lead roles. THAT last one I'm looking forward to the most (MANZZANG!!!), so stay tuned for more updates as Korea Trip Planning continues!

We've had some freaking' beautiful weather out here on the Left Coast, so I'm going out and enjoy some of it right now with a nice long walk before heading to the office. See you all on the flip side. Ja ne!

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CherKell!

Following your blog for that musical - it's been a fun ride. I fully expect you to be more generous with the pics than a certain someone nursing a hangover this morning. Lol

I've decided to recap WAML as a joint effort with kakashi, especially since she is the Queen of gifs, which I think will be much needed for the series. I, too, have watched episode 4 and am strangely addicted to the show, despite it's obvious plotline and less-than-subtle acting. Still, I woke up this morning scratching my head and thinking IRIS who?

I hope the pollen is minimal for you Westies, especially for Shel, and feel free to impose on KorazyLady if you travel east during your hiatus! ;)

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Shhh... don't wake the Sleeping JoAnne. I don't want to incur The Wrath! :P

Ah pictures... boy, do I have some extremely gorgeous pictures out the wazoo now. I'm going to have to create a separate post just for the batches I DLd over the past two days alone. SQUEEEEE!!! ♥

Oh hell to the yeah I'll be tapping on you Easties' collective doors if'n I head out that way. Last November's trip was way too short and I should see the people I blew off visiting because of the time constraints. We'll see how things pan out over the next few weeks!

P.S. Team WAML all the way, baby!! Gave up on IRISH after the whole killings-at-the-ryokan-thingy happened (forgot what episode that was). It's just not pulling me in like its predecessor did. C'est la whatEVAH.

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Sorry about your job situation, but I hope you do end up having a satisfying sabbatical when you get to it and get an awesome new job!

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cherkell -

"It’s not a Rocket Science Drama, peeps – just park your brains and enjoy SSH in all his Hand Towel and Absilicious Glory."

*laughing* ..... loving this comment.

On a serious note, so sorry to hear about the job situation. Sending positive thoughts your way and hoping a new job search yields good results.

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I think this is the first time I have anticipated open threads so much. I refreshed like about 10 times

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Can someone who went to the meetup tell me how it went I'm dying to know.

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I can only share my experience, but I had a great time traveling to NYC to meet up with KDrama fans.

We all enjoy the banners on Dramabeans, so as a treat for javabeans, girlfriday, headsno2, and gummimochi, I used those banners to create hats and pens as a gift.

To set the mood, they switched the TV's in the back room from sports to 'My Lovely Sam Soon'. The room quickly filled. Javabeans, Girlfriday, HeadsNo2, and Gummimochi introduced themselves, and shook hjands like a reception line at a wedding greeting folks as they arrived.

People were invited to write their questions and put them in a bag. I enjoyed hearing about how the mothers viewed their daughter's time spent on the website. A particularly funny moment was when asked "Who would you marry/kill/bang?" They picked out pairing for casting their own KDrama ... a game I think we should all play.

As I met people, I basically used the same questions to get the ball rolling
1) what was your first KDrama?
2) what is your favorite KDrama?
3) what are you watching now?
4) where are you from?

If it was a man, I asked "So, brave soul, who dragged you to this event?" Surprisingly, not all the men there were non-drama-watching significant others. Yeah!

I was totally charmed by one Korean guy who came to meet javabeans and girlfriday but was having celebrity fright. I gave him a nudge in their direction. But I understood the feeling, other than shaking their hands, I didn't say much to the 4 stars of the evening, figuring they had lots of people to meet and I was just happy to be in the same room with so many other KDrama fans.

Later in the evening, they had a trivia contest. It was sort of wild with rowdy, tipsy people all shouting out the answers at once and prizes of KDrama socks being thrown for correct answers.

I did spend time hunting for Jomo and JoAnne, and gratefully found them in the crowd. I had some good conversations with about 10 people, but didn't get to mingle with everyone and I am sure I missed meeting people I have read on OT and would have liked to see in person. It all had the feel of a great party that zipped by too fast.

I left around 10 pm when a group of folks were headed back to Penn station, so I don't know if table dancing and karaoke came later. I can say everyone was smiling and laughing and speaking with gleems in their eyes about favorite dramas and actors.

For those of you who missed it, I hope this gives you a taste of the event.

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Oh wow, sure sounds like you all had fun. thanks julie for your own account. I wish joanne will be awake now. or jomo.

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So THAT's where I got the pen from ! I opened my purse the next morning and I remembered the DramaFever M&Ms but not the pen! What a great idea that was :) you were really thoughtful to do that!

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It was very nice to meet you, Julia, but now, I am wondering
where is my pen? Hmmm?

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jomo: I held it in my hand to give you, right about the time I was also trying to get your photo, but the tide shifted and my opportunity passed. Sorry!

Maybe I should have been pushier, but lots of folks wanted to talk to you. Don't you remember how people were coming up to you and JoAnne like super stars? :-)

The night passed so quickly, especially at the end when my "ride" aka group walking to Penn station left, and the last pens I gave out were to Headsno2 and gummimochi. I didn't even get a chance for a goodbye to you, Lara, and JoAnne :-( But meeting you both was a thrill for me. You are my kind of people.

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I feel better already. As long as I was not left out on purpose.
I think we should do a second one in the nice weather.
As long as we are all together there will be lots to talk about!

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HAI YEOROBUN HOW WAS THE MEETUP? AM CURRENTLY HEAD OVER HEELS FOR NINE.

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MALAYSIANS DO HEAD OVER THE MALAYSIA MEETUP THREAD PRETTY PRETTY PLEASE?
Am probably gonna check Mandate of Heaven out when it's out. University life's been keeping me insanely busy I swear it's been hard for me to even find time to squeeze Nine into my watching schedule,with my assignments piling up like crazy so I'm gonna have to pass GFB as much as it pains me to not see LSG in his latest drama. Based on general consensus it seems that the first episode was super awesome but then the second episode wasn't quite as good so I'm gonna have to pass for now.
Cable channels are really amping up the quality of their dramas as we speak. JTBC and tvN is the way to go!

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Link to the Malaysian thread is in my first post ,so just click to be redirected to there. Subsequent ones made in my name will redirect you guys to my blog.

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Bella - i went over to the meet up site for Malaysia and posted on it. I am Malaysian as well but living in NYC. Would love to meet up with beanies in Malaysia when i am home for the holidays. Home is in KL and i am usually home for the lunar new year.

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Looking forward to meet up with you when you get back to Malaysia. :D How was the NYC meetup? I'd love to hear more about it from you! :)

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I love Nine: Oh my gosh! I loooove being surprised! I looooove a smart tight script. Here I was thinking that only those silly little sticks have power but --yes, this is the Queen In Hyeon team-- memory and love are more powerful than mere magic...and the heart is the true human magic of our lives! Oh Gosh, i am loving this! Of course, now I'm a bit stressed because I'm waiting for young Sun Woo to become mentally unstable from waiting to die. The past is still affecting the present. And what with waiting for Sun Woo junior to affect Sun Woo present and wondering what Hyung's gonna do and wondering about Dr Choi and about Min Young...well, yes, I'm under the sweetest stress.

Incarnation of Money: love the last episode. Vengeance and truth and no masks (at least about identities) and four mour episodes to go!!!! Soo good. Cha Don didn't seem too stressed out about being framed so I'm wondering if he anticipated this.

Kasuka na Kanajo: reminiscient of other stuff i've seen ... lots of ghost stories and teachers with special powers in j-dramaland. So far I'm liking it better than some others out there.
Kogure Shanshinkan: still not grabbing me yet. As a ghost story, it has the slow sweetness of Biblia. Not really concerned about the arc of the suicidal girl. But will see how it turns out.
Liking Yakou Kanransha: Oh my! Majorly intense stuff that makes me glad I never moved into a rich judgmental neighborhood. Not sure who the murderer is -- Mean neighborhood matrairach's son, maybe? OR maybe mean matriarch herself.

Jang Ok Jung: Beautiful but i didn't like it. I'm thinking that my dislike of it is entirely my own fault because there really is nothing wrong with it. Writers are supposed to make us love their heroines and the fashion show was fun. But I kept feeling I was being manipulated into thinking how great and creative and career woman and all her suffering from the evil hateful wife of the Lord...well, that I stopped watching it. I'm sure Korean drama-watchers in Korea are used to people remaking history but I seem unable to do the creative step of allowing folks to reinvent Jang Hee Bin. So, yeah, entirely my fault.

Cruel Palace War of Flowers: Been intending to give it a second try. Still waiting for Mandate of Heaven, though. Really excited about that one.

Gu Am Heo Joon: like a good solid meal. Like a nice little walk down a familiar road. Just feels like going home.

Gu Family Book: Oh, i love this so much. I'd forgotten all about the wonders of having a demi-god fall in love with me...uh, well, my dramatic stand-in. Gotta say though that although the heroine of the first love match behaved the way a girl of her time and class should behave (way too naive, way too afraid, way too proud) I still lost patience with her. Am totally in love with Wol Ryung. And was so happy to see that the actor who plays our second hero's adoptive dad is a fave. I so love that actor. (Note to self: remember his name. I'm beginning to have so many faves and I just have to remember their names. )

Everything about my relationship: Funny, cynical, smart. I might stay with it.

xxxHolic. Wow..dark... but i know love will prevail.

Bad Boys J: Am liking this far better than Sugarless, although the Sugarless guys are more my type. Ah, the "fighting" j-drama genre! Only the Japanese.

Started watching Smile because it was recommended. Liking it a lot

Got to catch up on Shotenin Michiru, Wolf and Dog, Otomen. Might try to catch up on Prosecutor Princess.

Waiting for the subs to Otomesan. Am totally wondering about poor Mother-in-law. Waiting for subs for End of the World.

Anime: catching up on Sayonara Zetsobou Sensei.

Happy weekend, all!

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Damn, Carole, you have a ton of dramas on your plate. I'm on a break for a few months and even then I didn't have a lot of dramas crammed into my time. How do you do it??

Anyways, that's interesting interpretation of Cha Don's body language and facial expression at the end. I didn't think of that but if that's the case, then that makes it more exciting. And totally agree with you that Nine is a well-written tight script. I have all these possibilities of what's going to happen next swimming in my head but I'm keeping them at bay because I want to just follow along the story and let the unexpected happen.

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Way too many dramas, alas. Creative Procrastination or Passive creativity on my part.

Was working on a collection of short stories and realized something which gave me a totally new idea. I wanted to leave things as they are because the stories are okay as is.....but once that new idea came, I knew I had to change how the stories relate to each other. This, however, means I've got to do some MEGA changes. So I've been procrastinating like heck. And currently, although deadlines loom, I'm being allowed to get away with it.

I'm always amazed at how wrong I am about what I expect to happen in some dramas. Nine totally delights me when i realize how wrong I've been.

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Ah, I think I share the same thing. I've been procrastinating with dramas from writing. =P

Got stuck with one story, so instead of working through it, I've been lying to myself (and I know it) that I just need the right drama to get through it.

=P Also, the same with Nine. I like it when dramas surprise me, especially since I don't tend to plot my stories that tightly. Makes for good study later.

I was rewatching episode 10 a lot to see if I could figure out what the writer is thinking, and I still can't seem to project that far, since the ideas seem to come from some other dimension that somehow makes sense.

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We'll get our writing started up again..but dramas definitely affect it. I think Nine affected my stories.

I just feel so sorry for young Sun Woo. He is so not doing well.

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Kogure Shanshinkan – agree, not grabbing me yet either. I think it has to do with the writing more than anything. I'll keep watching though.

Smile the Japanese one? One of my faves (well, I may have been the one who recommended it to you).

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Yes, you were the one, i think. Thank you so much.

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How far into it are you? Other than being thematically being awesome (a topic that NEEDS to be talked about), I think it really shows the range of some of the actors involved.

A strand of Oguri Shun's hair appearing on the screen already makes you tremble with fear. And Matsujun.... especially in the final episode (wahhh!)... and the fact he pulls off three different looks within one drama is impressive too!

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I really like it. The subtle polite racism (or nationalism) toward gaijins or presumed gaijins. The incredible nastiness of racism. An actor really has to put aside all need to be loved to do a believably racist character.

Main character is so sweet. Part of me (because i am a real pill when it comes to racial issues) thought: "Are they being racist by showing all half-Filipinos as sweet?" Why do they always make sweet little victims of racism?" But then I stopped being a pain and let the story go. Mostly because most of the Filipinos I've met are really sweet (older son's girlfriend was a sweetie) and also because when a country's artists are attempting to deal with a taboo subject, especially one like racism, you have to pour on the nobility on the object of racism. So..yeah, par for the course.

Thanks for recommending it.

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Vito is sweet, but for me that was just his character not as a typical representation of (half-) Filipino characters. Plus, he is not all innocent either. Nor is he the only half-Japanese person in the dorama either.

I love this drama for many reasons – because they are talking about something that is very taboo in Japan still and because it also seems very realistic and makes no excuses for things that it could. As I said, Vito is sweet, but, well, not all innocent either – neither in the past (story before the drama begins) nor the present (something he does do, even if for an understandable reason, in the present – not sure how far you are, so I don't want to give anything away).

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I started watching Smile a long time ago and for some stopped after an episode or two. Don't remember why...should I go back for it?

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I have to agree on Jang Ok Jeong.... Pretty and all that, but really no meat below the pretty. And I like pretty, but a meal that's delicious, and not so pretty is better to me than a meal that's pretty, but not delicious.

The ratings seem to reflect that. Though, the holding around 12% also seems to show that Koreans also agree with us about the dry spell, especially when three dramas premiered with the same rating.

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