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Heirs: Episode 11

Some secrets are discovered by those previously out of the loop and more feelings are expressed amongst our flock of confused young lovebirds, but by and large we’re dealing with more of the same. That means that things pretty much play out the way we expect, inasmuch as we’ve already seen them happen, oh, about a half-dozen times already in previous episodes.

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EPISODE 11 RECAP

Tan arrives at the campgrounds after all and starts looking for Eun-sang. She’s currently being harassed/romanced by Young-do (which in his book is pretty much the same thing), who forces a hug. I almost thought he might mean it, but he’s staring straight at Tan while he does it, hammering in this drama’s recurring motif about this fight over Rag Doll Eun-sang to really be a dick-waving contest between two caveman heirs. GUH.

And then he hammers that in some more by telling Tan to tell Eun-sang for him that he likes her, because she’ll believe it more coming from Tan. Supposedly.

Hyo-shin has driven Tan to the camp, and Rachel storms up and lets herself into the car, assuming they’re headed back to Seoul. The two guys aren’t a part of the class trip so they’ve booked a hotel room nearby, and Rachel forces her presence upon them while demanding to know whether Tan spoke to Eun-sang.

The guys pay her little mind, and Hyo-shin refuses to be kicked out of his own room just so Rachel can pester Tan alone. But because her harping about Eun-sang is so incessant, Hyo-shin ends up leaving anyway out of distaste. I feel that feel.

Rachel reminds Tan that their engagement is a Big Effing Deal between their families and businesses, warning that his feelings have no power. He knows that, “And that’s why it’s driving me crazy.” That just pisses her off more, and she stomps out before he can suggest they break the agreement.

Eun-sang returns to her tent to find that a gossiping session is underway inside, with a trio of mean girls already aware of Young-do hugging her. They paint Eun-sang as the flirt/slut/vixen out to steal their menfolk, and it sounds like Ye-sol’s leading the charge, the girl with the crush on Young-do, which gives her words extra bite.

Young-do comes up behind her and pulls her hood up, telling her not to listen or be hurt by those words. Then he takes the girls’ shoes and drops them in a tub of water, saying that he’s getting revenge on her behalf. She points out that she’s going to be the one on the hook for that, but he tells her that anything’s easier than explaining why she’s living in the same house as Tan, which he’s deduced by now.

He tells her not to worry too much about it since he won’t be digging into it, “And whatever questions I ask of you, don’t answer. If you answer, I can’t ask anymore.” And that… is pretty much the perfect example of the logic characterizing this drama.

Young-do points out that she can’t answer the question anyway, and rattles off his five possibilities for explanations: (1) She’s the daughter to the family, (2) or daughter-in-law, (3) some kind of relative, (4) live-in maid, or (5) live-in tutor. None of those make sense, so he’s left wondering.

He comes to one last question: “Do you really like Kim Tan?” Is this the question you want her to answer, or the one you don’t? Eun-sang replies, “Yeah,” though, and I think that actually hurts his feelings, if in fact he has any. He slaps a smile on his face and warns her not to do anything about the drenched shoes.

Rachel’s mother finds Young-do’s father at a bar, in the arms of a scantily clad hostess. Skirt-chasing is pretty much his perpetual state but he bothers to use the “This is for business” line, which fools nobody. They have a clipped argument about his plan to release their wedding news without consulting her, but she’s distracted to see a familiar mom from the PTA in the same bar.

It’s Ye-sol’s mother, who also happens to be Madam Han’s saturi-speaking friend, and she gets identified as Madam Park. Now, we’ve been using “madam” for the other ladies in the sense of a woman being mistress of the house, but they’re using madam in the other sense here.

Tan shows up back at camp to pull Eun-sang aside, taking her for a walk through the woods. She follows warily until they get to a secluded alcove lit by string lights with a cozy trailer, though he scoffs that the setup was already here and not of his design.

He wraps her in his coat and sits her in front of the fire to give her two choices: They can both sleep warmly inside the trailers, or out here in the cold. Leaving is not an option, “since I won’t let you go.” Said the serial killer. Oh wait, wrong drama. (Or is it.)

She smiles and says she doesn’t want him to let her go, which stops him short, because he was expecting a fight. That says a lot about this relationship, doesn’t it? She explains that she felt like she had a lot of reasons for calling him earlier, but now she thinks it was because she missed him.

He gapes and wonders at the personality transplant, but Eun-sang explains that they’re away from home, and just for one more day she’ll “escape into a midsummer night’s dream.”

So she rests her head on his shoulder… though she quips that it’s less comfortable than expected. He tells her that it’s not her head she’s supposed to lean on him, but her heart.

They look up at the stars, and he says she’d better not ask for any of them. Until she says that Chan-young does it for Bo-na, and then Tan changes his tune: “Which one?”

She sighs that the mood feels just like Friday the 13th, and he complains about her tendency to inject horror into melo. No kidding. She says she likes horror because it makes her unhappiness seem trifling by comparison, an he asks if he’s one of those sources of unhappiness. She declines to answer.

In the wee hours, they head back to camp, tone back to light bickering. She reminds him of the Hollywood sign that seemed so close despite its distance, and likens him to that, saying that when they’re holding hands like this she sometimes forgets that.

Now she answers his question about unhappiness, and says that he’s not one of them—amidst her various misfortunes, he’s one good fortune. “That’s enough for me,” she tells him. “I’ve awakened from my dream. That’s how I can survive. I’m sorry.”

With that, she pulls her hand from his. He grabs it back. “How much closer do I have to get for you to believe me?” he asks. “You’ve never arrived, so don’t use the excuse that it’s far.”

By the time the others are up and getting ready for the day, news has spread of Tan’s arrival in the night. The facts have become distorted by incomplete facts and everyone assumes Rachel’s absence is due to Tan, and Ye-sol makes a dig at Eun-sang.

I guess the “roughing it” aspect was only for a night, because now the class heads over to the hotel for a leadership seminar. Rachel’s already there, and shoots Eun-sang her usual eye-daggers. The class runs into Tan and Hyo-shin as they head to breakfast, and Eun-sang plays it cool, scurrying past to eat alone. Young-do takes note.

Hearing that Tan shared rooms with Hyo-shin is a blow to Rachel—she’s been playing along with their assumption of a romantic night out—but one I can’t really care about since Rachel has been such an unbudging pain in the butt. Young-do makes a barb about Tan juggling girls, and Eun-sang leaves the room, having heard enough.

Young-do follows her out, Tan watches through the window, and Rachel mutters at him to stop looking. Outside, Young-do pulls his patented trip-and-catch maneuver, smiles down at Eun-sang… and then lets go. She falls right into the pool.

Tan bolts up from his chair, ordering everyone to stay put and not come out. Oh, I give the class about two seconds before they do just that.

“Sorry, my hand slipped,” Young-do says. God, you ass. Apparently he’s proving a point, though, saying, “What I just did to you is what Kim Tan will do to you in the future. Pretending to hold, but letting go in the end.” Yes, because it was so kind of you to demonstrate rather than saying words. So he advises her to let go first and move away: “I’m saying this for your own good.”

Eun-sang bites out, “I know already. You’re dead now. I mean it.”

Just as Young-do’s laughing at that, Tan comes up behind him and shoves him into the pool. “Sorry, my foot slipped.”

Young-do just laughs, saying he feels like he won. When Tan offers a hand to Eun-sang, Young-do taunts him with his “concubine” secret.

Hyo-shin has had it up to HERE with their immature antics, which makes me think he’s the only sane one in this show, and storms in to separate the two fools. Then Chan-young and Bo-na join them, and Bo-na jumps to offer her hand to prevent her boyfriend from extending his, which cracks me up. (When Young-do advises Eun-sang to not catch a cold, Bo-na retorts, “Don’t listen to him. Just catch a cold.” Ha.)

Hyo-shin comes home to a furious mother, having not told her of his overnight plans. She’s more upset that he blew off a college interview, though he reminds her that he’d never promised to go to it, and also that he doesn’t want to go to law school. She asks what’s wrong with him, and Hyo-shin turns to her with tears in his eyes, saying bitterly that it sure took her a long time to bother asking that. “Do you want to know why I collected sleeping pills, why I took them?” he asks. His mother tells him to tell her after entrance exams are over, dismissing him.

At the Kim household, the wife goes to confront the concubine and gets the maid instead. Mom freezes when her Director Jung demands to see her notepad, since it contains all manner of incriminating notes. Madam Han arrives to step between them, sizes up the situation, and hisses at Mom, “Run!” Ha.

Mom does as ordered, stuffing memos into her mouth to eat the evidence. These two. Best couple in this drama.

Director Jung is furious, having found out about the photographer put on her tail—they took photos to her and offered to sell for double the price Madam Han would pay. Madam Han suggests ending the strife by getting the family registry in order, but Director Jung retorts that she’s overshooting her place and warns that she’ll find out just how rock-bottom she is in due time.

Now Madam Han realizes the notebooks are a threat, and sits down to negotiate with Mom over the cost to buy them, HA. I love Mom for playing hardball, and she fetches a nice price for the lot.

News hits of the unholy alliance between Rachel’s mother and Young-do’s father, which gives rise to more gossip at school. Rachel is desperate enough to suggest that the quickest way to prevent the wedding is for the kids to date, but Young-do rejects that out of hand: “I’ve started to like someone.”

Kids congratulate Rachel while snickering behind her back, and Tan finds her as she’s trying not to cry. He tries to lend a friendly hand of comfort, and Eun-sang passes by to see them together.

Young-do comes up all smiles and quips, but Eun-sang offers him consolation too, asking if he’s all right. That just about floors him. She offers to delay her promise to punish him, conceding that at the end of the day, he is just an 18-year-old boy.

Tan finds Eun-sang in the broadcasting room listening to music, and barricades her into the booth (aw, young romance) before speaking to her over the mic. He confides that he’s lived with so many misunderstandings that can’t be set straight that when he comes in contact with one that can, he does his best to do so. So he clarifies that the scene just now with Rachel was one of friendship, and that he’s sorry he didn’t help her out of the pool—he didn’t want to make things worse in front of everyone, but he regrets.

Last but not least, he demands to know what she was saying to Young-do, going from thoughtful and mature almost-boyfriend to pouting boy in a split second. Ha. She rolls her eyes and gets up to leave, whereupon she encounters his barricade and makes a gibe at his last-place ranking.

Young-do picks an old haunt for after-school snacks, where the wall is covered in teenage wishes and comments. He tells Myung-soo that this is where it all started: “Where I lost everything.”

A flashback to middle school shows Tan trying to take Young-do aside, even after he’d been rebuffed multiple times by barbs about being illegitimate. Young-do had sneered anyway, and Tan had warned, “You’re going to regret this moment for the rest of your life.”

Asked what he’d lost, Young-do replies, “Mom. Friend.” Myung-soo wonders dimly, “You lost your mother’s friend?”

Won finds Manager Yoon brooding over today’s news release and asks why he gave up Rachel’s mother. Manager Yoon asks why Won chose to let Hyun-joo go, and Won replies that he hasn’t broken up with her—he put Jeguk first, and next is Hyun-joo. Manager Yoon points out, “That is a choice. Why do you think they’ll wait for us?”

Won gets a surprise visit from his stepmother, and is startled at her reminder that Tan’s birthday is approaching… and in this family that likely means that Chairman Dad is about to transfer some stock in Tan’s name. And if that happens, Tan may challenge Won as Jeguk’s largest shareholder.

Won wonders why she’d clue him in, and she calls it maternal affection, though I’d bet it’s a lot more about putting a certain concubine in her place. Won orders Manager Yoon to look into it, only to be told that Manager Yoon himself is the one who holds the most stock (in his name but under the chairman’s control).

These revelations are quite a blow to Won, and put him on edge as he looks around at his staff, wondering who here is positioned against him. Sad day.

Eun-sang tries to sneak past Tan’s room while on an errand but gets pulled inside, where he warns that walking away will get a hug and talking back will get a kiss. Is it crazier that he’s using them as threats, or that with a girl like Eun-sang these actually are threats?

Tan leans in close flirtatiously, but today Madam Han actually spots the cozy scene from the hallway and immediately guesses something’s up between them. She starts to rip into Eun-sang for overstepping, and Tan jumps to her defense, saying that Eun-sang is in a bind enough already over the fact that he likes her.

He orders his mother not to treat Eun-sang that way and sends her out, speaking calmly as Madam Han flips out over his romantic distraction and how he should be focused on the fact that Won is running the business.

Tan points out, “That’s his rightful place. All those things that you want—don’t tell me to bring them to you. Nobody can decide for me what I must have or who I should love. Don’t decide for me—I’ll decide for myself.”

He asks for her support, but she doesn’t look to be in much of a supportive mood. Madam Han beelines for Mom to rip into her for raising her daughter wrong and daring to enter the young master’s room. Mom signs back at her boss that Eun-sang was wrong to enter Tan’s room, but it’s Tan who’s always looking for Eun-sang. Eun-sang has to translate the signing, and lies that Mom is full of apologies.

Tan bursts in to pull his mother out as she shrills at Mom to move out immediately. Eun-sang apologizes for putting her mother in that position, but Mom signs back that she’s sorry for being unable to speak up in her defense. Eun-sang cries, “No, I’m sorry for liking him.”

Mom suggests that they move out, saying that they can do whatever they can to find a way. Eun-sang cries that if at all possible she wants to move schools and homes. Mom says they’ll move out as soon as they can.

Tan barrages Eun-sang with pleading messages to meet in the wine cellar, all of which go ignored. Her room is empty, and he asks her mother after her. He bolts outside to track her down, but misses her on her way to spend the night with a “friend.”

And then Eun-sang calls Bo-na. HA. Funny how this is my favorite thing so far about this episode. Bo-na turns her down flat, but Eun-sang only has to suggest “Then should I call Chan-young…” for Bo-na to spit out her address at her.

Once there, Bo-na demands to know all the details, and Eun-sang admits that Bo-na’s not so bad, “Though I cursed you a lot.”

“That’s okay,” Bo-na returns. “I cursed you more.” She wonders about the fake Mom who showed up to the PTA meeting, but decides not to hear it, “Since it feels like we’d have to be friends then.”

Tan spends his night waiting for a call that doesn’t come, and Eun-sang arrives at school so early in the morning that the gates aren’t open. She heads off to buy breakfast and runs into Young-do at a convenience store, where he offers her his extensive knowledge of convenience store foods for the best pick. Asked why he eats so much of it, he replies that it’s something you can eat alone without seeming weird for it, which earns him some pity in her eyes.

Young-do and Eun-sang head back to school, waiting at an intersection just as Tan’s car pulls up. He sees them standing together across the way, though Eun-sang remains completely oblivious (why ruin a good pattern?).

Young-do offers her a way to escape Tan and yanks her close to sling an arm around her, all for Tan’s benefit.

He says he’s curious to see how Tan will react, and it’s only now that she looks up to see him watching. The light turns green, and everyone starts walking. As they pass each other in the middle of the road, Tan grabs Eun-sang’s wrist (guh), and Young-do grabs his wrist to stop the Rag Doll transfer.

Eun-sang pulls her wrist free, dealing Tan a blow, and says miserably, “I can’t do this anymore. I’m sorry.”

Tan apologizes, holding out a hand to her: “I can’t promise that it’ll get easier, but let’s go together anyway. Holding hands.”

Young-do warns her not to take that hand.

 
COMMENTS

Where’s a Truck of Doom when you really want one? This love triangle, I swear. It’s not the intrinsic setup that is problematic, but the sheer repetition that makes me roll my eyes—when everything just happens over and over again, nothing lands with any emotional weight. At this point I don’t even expect any episodes to NOT begin and end with a three-way tug of war, but lordy wouldn’t it be refreshing if the writer could invent a new plot point.

Not only do we have to deal with the fact that the same things keep going ’round in circles—with new set dressing to try to confuse us into thinking something’s actually different this time—we have to deal with this exact same plotline in no less than three relationships. I could maybe see the argument that this drama is purposely repeating history from the older generation in the younger generation, if only the older characters were used as a type of cautionary tale, or a source of learning from one’s mistakes. Only they’re just standing there making the same mistakes as their kids, with about the same level of maturity. Surely we don’t need to see the same beats play out in the same configuration for every single character.

So let’s see, we have Rachel’s mother, Chan-young’s father, Young-do’s father, Won, Hyun-joo, Rachel, Tan, Young-do, Eun-sang: Is it really too much to ask that the writer think up more than one story among nine characters? A slow story is one thing, especially if the languid movement is part of the stylistic choice of the show—there’s a dreaminess to the pacing and mood that might even support that argument. But lack of a story just makes me wonder, What’s the point?

On the upside, I was pleased to see Tan step it up with his mother and face her honestly about taking charge of his own decisions, although given Madam Han’s impotence in the household I don’t really feel that stand to be very powerful. (Saying it to Dad, on the other hand, might Mean Something.) Even so, this engagement albatross is, while necessary as a point of conflict, becoming a bigger and bigger narrative drag. What will it take for the unwanted third parties to get a clue and step aside, especially when they never had a legitimate shot in the first place?

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Thank you so much! One of my fav part was the one were he puts all the chairs n she just opens the door and she is all "no wonder u r 100th in rank"

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Lol. That was funny :)

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Yeah, that had me chuckling. Definitely his mothers son.

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the writer is totally wasting the talent of the actors in the show...i may or may not watch depending whatever else is on

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I love the writer. I don't think she is wasting talent of actor. The drama is quite engaging. Dialogues are witty. Just sharing my opinion.

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I don't know if I can say much for the acting, but I am also not sure how it is the actors' fault that there is no plot and that the story is so slow... the actors don't really have a say in what happens in the drama and the director is responsible for making sure that the actors don’t look suicidal during a critical romantic moment (#worstkissever). Then again, I don't even care whose fault it is at this point... I just wish someone would do something to make this show better. The network, maybe? If I was paying for all these shiny young actors and a big shot acclaimed writer, I wouldn’t care who gets their behinds kicked, I would just want the show fixed. Even a new wardrobe/stylist would be an improvement. Cause let’s face it, folks, no one will complain if Lee Min Ho got some of that hot City Hunter hair and wardrobe action back on… oh please… I have nightmares about his Heirs granny sweaters.

There really ought to be a poll for best outcome of this last scene. If there was, I would pick the Truck of Doom so that we can quit it with this tug-of-war lame drama and Bo-Na could get her own show…

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Ah sorry for the long rant and thank you for the recap. I appreciate everyone's opinions, too. This drama is just driving me crazy. There are (very short) moments when the writing is ok and the actors are ok and maybe there's some plot but it all just falls apart. And the tugging... ugh

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I used to think it was just bad writing, but now I am sure that there is also a lot of bad acting, especially by PSH. Or perhaps not BAD acting, just NO acting.

As one funny post on DF put it: "The 4 looks of PSH 1.) surprised dead fish = whenever hugged or kissed 2.) constipated fish = about to cry or just got done crying 3.) migraine fish = whining or having deep thoughts 4.) blank fish = all other times".

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about PSH's bad acting, I'm not sure that's really her inability to express emotions or just bad writing. Her character really doesn't get to do much, so there isn't much more to do other than ... stare. And just.. be there.

I guess a good actress should be able to work with whatever she's given, but if the script only says 'look conflicted' for about 99% of her screentime, then I'm not surprised she ends up looking like a fish.

And yes, Bona is my favorite thing about this show. I'd switch shows in a heartbeat if she got her own~

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@Saturtledaisy - But Bo-Na is really one-note. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy her immensely, but all she does is be cute with Chan-Young and act jealous about him. It would wear very thin if I had to watch that for an hour.

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My impression of Bo Na's character is that she is like a short comedy skit interspersed occasionally into the show, but has no real role.

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Park Shin-Hye is miscast in the role of Cha Eun-Sang. I first saw her acting in Flower Boy Next Door. The personality and character of Ko Dok-Mi was unique and rare for a female lead in Kdramaland. A few months later, I watched both You're Beautiful (YB) and Heartstrings (HS) for the first time.

Imagine my surprise, to realize that the diction, mannerisms/quirks, and facial expressions that I thought were peculiar to Ko Dok-Mi (FBND) were visibly present in her characters Ko Mi-Nyeo / Ko Mi-Nam (YB) and Lee Kyu-Won (HS) as well.

I agree that in Heirs Park Shin-Hye’s acting range is limited and exposed. Particularly in a role like Cha Eun-Sang that requires aloofness, expressing emotional depth (spoken words and unspoken sentiments), introspection, as well as a mixture of trepidation and attraction.

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Park Shin-Hye is miscast in the role of Cha Eun-Sang. I first saw her acting in Flower Boy Next Door. The personality and character of Ko Dok-Mi was unique and rare for a female lead in Kdramaland. A few months later, I watched both You're Beautiful (YB) and Heartstrings (HS) for the first time.

Imagine my surprise, to realize that the diction, mannerisms/quirks, and facial expressions that I thought were peculiar to Ko Dok-Mi (FBND) were visibly present in her characters Ko Mi-Nyeo / Ko Mi-Nam (YB) and Lee Kyu-Won (HS) as well.

I agree that in Heirs Park Shin-Hye’s acting range is limited and exposed. Particularly in a role like Cha Eun-Sang that requires aloofness, expressing emotional depth (spoken words and unspoken sentiments), introspection, as well as a mixture of trepidation and attraction.

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I read in an article from the actress who played Kim Na Na in City Hunter (Park Min Young) that Lee Min Ho as an actor is one who likes to bounce his responses off his co-actors sort of like ad-libbing. I'm wondering if this is why there's so little chemistry between him and Park Shin Hye, maybe she's not responding to all those subtle cues and exchanges that would give an extra kick to their dialogue and acting. Maybe that's why it's so flat - but I think it has also has a lot to do with the writing. If all their interactions is played off of his grabbing her hand and forcing her away from YD or cornering her in a remote place in her house - there really isn't much to work with.

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I agree with you-not only are the 3-way meetings at the en of the episodes meaningful, they are also comic. In this ep. the triangle is much tighter, almost a REAL 3-way!-but they are dangerously out in the middle of the street. All the way through this drama there are hints and signs that there are probably some big surprises ahead due to birth secrets (plural). If I'm right that would mean that we've been watching the mysteries pile up. Hope so, because while I need ROMANCE, mysteries really spark my interest: Who is Eun Sang's Mom? Is she someone rich and powerful? why are YD and ES dressed alike lately-are they twins? I also think Tan's feverish stalking is hilarious, because he doesn't give off pscho vibes, like Young Do. Who is Yoon?
Anyway, if I'm wrong about the upcoming 'reveals', then-nevermind-this will be the most boring drama EVER.

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i agree that Choi Jin Hyuk, Kim Woo Bin, Kang Ha Neul & Im Joo Eun talent is being wasted but sometimes it's also the actors who is wasting the character like Park Shin Hye who doesn't know how to act Eunsang. She has same expression over & over again. And she made viewers hate Eunsang. They seriously should have get a way better actress. Maybe Eunsang would have been a better character.

I read a lot of comment that Eunsang is annoying, or they dislike/hater her but it WAS PSH's acting that made Eunsang like that.

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totally agree.

same old song with you're beautiful or heartstring,
wide open shock eyes kiss scene.

eunsang character is sooooo annoying

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At first I though maybe it was the directing, but I went back and looked at some clips of her other dramas, and see the same kind of surprised dead fish expression there - and mentioned several times in comments. All of those shows could not have had the same bad directing.

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I FEEL YOU BRO. I dont know how many times I ranted, maybe each eps my only comment is PSH's acting. MAYBE, yeah, maybe bcs EunSang was exposed too much in Heirs, who I would blame? she is the main heroine. SIghed..

I really wish magical unicorn comes to writer's dream and tell her switch PSH to someone when she is in acccident (BIG)

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sorry but i don't agree with you. viewers have their own opinion but i also read lot of comments that they like psh's portrayal of eunsang. besides, if there are negative comments on psh, mostly bc of the character eun sang.Not psh's acting. don't be too blinded with how the girl show her emotion. if she is sad, you know she's sad. and the girl can cry.

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I don't see a lot of those type comments here though. Most Drama Beans groupies are a bit more mature, but more importantly most have seen quite a few k-dramas (I have seen probably 200, counting movies). They are going to be much more critical of bad acting, directing, writing, whatever.

My first k-drama ever was "You're Beautiful" - and after a long series of boring or bad US shows, that got me hooked. Since then I have seen some great ones, some horrible ones, and all in between. I would place Heirs in the bottom 20%.

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exactly! I personally love PSH in this role, as well as all the characters. I've maybe watched over 50 korean dramas and 20 korean movies. I really don't get why people aren't liking this drama.. not EVERYTHING needs to be overanalyzed and critiqued.. some things are just fun, fluff, and enjoyable with no real substance. This is one of those dramas and I love it for that because 2 hours a week, i want to sit down and watch without having to think too hard (already do that back at my lab). A ton of funny scenes weren't included in this recap and some of the comedy isn't reflected in the recaps because it is difficult to do that. I love Bo Na and even if her role is only for the comic relief, i'm 100% happy with that.

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PSH was obviously chosen for her idol popularity and looks, not her acting. I never thought her acting was very good, but this show brings out the lack of talent in spades.

ES has to be most blah character in this show.

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lol funny how it always the female lead that gets the blame of ruining a drama with bad acting, rather than look at the "hot guys" in the drama to at lest shame the blame rather than put it all on the female lead.

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I don't really think that LMH is all that great either, but he is not terrible in this one. And I don't always put it on the female lead, though I guess that some do. In Secrets, IHYV, and Master's Sun I think it was the female leads that MADE the shows so great - in IHYV it was the male actors that were below par (and the inclusion of those really stupid assistant cops which were not funny).

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Indeed, @bjharm. Lee Min-ho is so lifeless in this role, I sometimes wonder whether he's some kind of Korean robot, or if he's unhappy with this gig. The blame is shared in this couple, both look bored with their characters and have a deep case of dead eyes.

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Not "obvious" at all. There are plenty of us who are too old to care about idol status, and appreciate PSH's acting - both the understated, subtle parts of it as well as the crying scenes (even if there are too many of them, but that's on the writers, not her).

Also, you can't really make the idol argument about PSH, because she didn't become well-known until *after* she started acting - she wasn't an idol singer who capitalized on her popularity to move into acting. And many people who enjoy her acting don't even think she's that pretty.

For all the people who are so convinced PSH is a terrible actor, I'd be interested to hear what they think could be done better by someone else. How else do you think her scenes should have been portrayed, specifically?

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@ Faye

As I often do, I will compare the lead actress in Heirs vs the lead in Secrets. They both cry a lot.

But when YJ in Secrets cries, I feel she has good reason, and I really empathize with her. When ES cries in Heirs, I tend to fast forward.

So it may be acting skills, writing, or any other reasons, but I simply cannot connect with ES's character at all.

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@Faye
The first drama of PSH's I watched was Heartstrings. And I loved her there. There was something so endearing about her character. Then I watched YAB and even though The characters are very different, her expressions looked The same as in Heartstrings many times. And now Heirs, and another different character but still The same expressions.
So The problem to me is not that she doesn't know how to show emotion, is that she apparently only knows how to do it on certain, very limited ways, which makes her acting seem too repetitive.
I watched 49 days and afterwards Flower Boy Ramyun Shop (couldn't finish though) and I had a hard time believing that Jung Il Woo was The same person Who acted in Both dramas. He was so different! The Way He talked, acted, moved, even smiled was different.
And look at YD's character. Almost everyone says how he's a bad Guy, and yet we can't take our eyes of him because he's mesmerizing. And that is KWB's talent even though The writing sucks, for me anyway.
Even BN Who shows up for 3 secs each episode made People like her despite their inicial annoyance.
So, even though I loved PSH on Heartstrings I'm not able to empathise with ES, and that's The writer's fault, of course, but, sadly, imho, PSH is not doing great here either.
Who knows, maybe Yong Hwa stole her lucky charm of acting because I heard He's improved a lot in MHIYD.

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Absolutely agree. Also, I can so relate to yours I-watched-200-shows statement. Heirs is a waste of a cast due to combination of bad acting by PSH (not to be mistaken by my favorite, banned for a while, male actor PSH) and boring script. Not sure about directing. What can you do with cold fish actress and, probably, (guessing) stubborn writer? Sorry, I never blame handsome actors for show's failure. It's all main girl's bad acting fault. :-)

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Agreed. But Lee Min Ho sucks too. I'm not feeling any of his trauma or angst or anything. I just get that he's an arrogant emo rich kid and that makes me irritated with him taking up Woobie time.

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I agree. While I think PSH isn't necessarily bad actress, I feel she's always 'under acting'.
She can cry alright, I know that her character's sad, but I cannot feel sad with her.

And yes, in this drama, the plot is also a problem. It keeps going around, and yet nothing really happened.

( and I'm still mad she wasted her opportunity to kiss LMH. Gurl, please! it's Lee MinHOT! :P )

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I FEEL YOU BRO. I dont know how many times I ranted, maybe each eps my only comment is PSH’s acting. MAYBE, yeah, maybe bcs EunSang was exposed too much in Heirs, who I would blame? she is the main heroine. SIghed..

I really wish magical unicorn comes to writer’s dream and tell her switch PSH to someone when she is in acccident (BIG)

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Javabeans here did a better job writing potential plot points for the show than the writers.

"Leaving is not an option, “since I won’t let you go.” Said the serial killer. Oh wait, wrong drama. (Or is it.)"

How awesome would it be if this actually happened? If something, anything ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

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I was ROFL when I read that serial killer bit :D

I really can't stand those slow-motion, repeat editing of the cheesy scenes - and the worst is I can see them coming before they were shown - and cringe.

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"If anything actually happened."

This is definitely the writer's fault. I see a lot of people complaining about the acting, but here's news, folks--you can't cook without ingredients. You can't act a wonderful character without halfway-decent writing.

How do writers like this land this kind of job? I see she has a knack for witty/comic exchanges between catty women, but wow, she doesn't have a clue about character development, or what makes a PERSON interesting. I wish they had got someone better...

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This show has some of the worst writing I have ever seen - almost as bad as YTBLSS and ISYG. And it really makes me wonder what kind of person the FEMALE writer is to put girls through so much abuse and make them a Supreme Jellyfish Doormat.

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Someone who would sell her life and dignity for a chance to get ahead--that's what kind of a writer she is. No wonder Eun Sang is willing to do the same.

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I totally agree with you. The reason I decide to only read the recap and not watch the drama is because there is no refreshing story line. The plot is not interesting at all. Only small daily events that we normally put into a diary, now we see them on screen with good actors playing those dull roles. Compare to this drama, "Faith" looks much better, story wise. And Lee Min Ho is at his best in "City Hunter". I like him as a mature hero, not this type of man-boy that has a lot grow up to do. I never liked this writer's work or style. But as long as there is an audience for it, this kind of story will continue to exist.

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Ok. So I did like this episode. I'm not much of a Heirs fan as opposed to AM'94 and MHIYD, but this episode managed to satisfy me. I loved Bona and Eunsang together. And thank God, Eunsang had a mind of her own for like a minute there. About Youngdo, hmmm. I absolutely LOVE Kim Woo bin, and so I can't generally hate Youngdo, but I have to say, he is somebody with a certain depth in his character. There's a back story for his fallout with Kim Tan, and history as a bully. I also absolutely hate his dad and I wish that Rachel's mum marries Chan young's dad so Youngdo and Rachel can have their own love line. I have no idea why I am shipping Rachel with Youngdo except that they have wonderful rapport with each other. Lee min ho was adorable in this episode and I all but reached through the screen and pinched his pouty cheeks. Also, the mums, Eunsang's mum and Madam Han. They are super amazing. As JB said, they are THE couple in this story. They have wonderful chemistry than the main leads. I love them together THIS MUCH. I love Kim Haneul's character too and I absolutely ADORE Choi Jin hyuk (Won). He is so cute. I'd like more heartwarming scenes between the brothers. Also, can we send Eunsang away so the ex friends can have their bromance without any complications? Pretty please? Its not that I don't like Eunsang or PSH, its just that LMH and KWB have much more chemistry with each other rather than with PSH. I'm thinking of continuing to watch this. Thanks, JB, all the way from Sri Lanka.

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may i know the song in the scene where kim tan talks to eun sang in the broadcasting room thanks

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Because of time difference, work schedule and my preference for Secret I haven’t been able to watch Heirs in time to comment much but I have been reading the recaps and comments later in the week. I agree it is a slow drama, the pace definitely needs improvement and considering there are so many characters it’s not like they don’t have enough material to fill 20 episodes. Many said the last 6-7 episodes could be covered in two and I agree.

The plot revealed before the show aired didn’t create any interest in me but I decided to give it a shot for the actors and the writer. So I didn’t have high expectations. I am neither surprised nor disappointed and this is neither the best nor the worst show I ever watched. It’s entertaining and interesting enough to make me watch week after week and gives me enough material to think and discuss. So far it hasn’t annoyed or aggravated much. I was expecting to dislike the school bits and was among the few who was not looking forward to the return to Korea for that reason. My fear was not misplaced, I missed California as soon as we left it behind. The bullying, everybody bickering and fighting, the harassment, the requests of money from the administration even if you’re on a scholarship were just so predictable and unpleasant, it was getting on my nerves. I felt like Park Shi On getting abused in the first several episodes of Good Doctor. I hoped that this won’t continue long like this. The number of people uncovering or suspecting Eun Sang’s secret was increasing at an alarming rate. It’s a wonder none of them spoke out yet. I agreed with Eun Sang that lying is not the answer, she can’t pretend to be new money for 2 years and I hate this trope of poor people pretending to be rich, it never works and ends up more humiliating in the end. The heirs didn’t do anything to earn their status besides being born into it. I have more respect for hardworking Eun Sang than any of them and she shouldn’t be ashamed of that either, so in the end if there was going to be a lie on that front I’m glad she wasn’t the one who started it. Tan also didn’t start it out of shame but with an instinct to protect so I’ll have to give him that.

So we had to wait for 10 episodes for some payoff but it finally started coming. I think this was a good episode. My favourite moments: Eun Sang shocking both Tan (with her I miss you and laying her head on his shoulder) and Young Do (by asking whether he is ok about his dad’s marriage while he was needling her about Tan and Ra Hel), Eun Sang admitting to Young Do and her mom she likes Tan, Tan admitting to his mom that he likes Eun Sang, Young Do admitting to both Tan and Eun Sang that he likes her and also admitting that he’s missing his friend... Things are finally getting interesting.

At this point I don’t mind if Eun Sang’s or Tan’s secrets come out. Young Do will defend Eun Sang as much as Tan. As long as it is not Young Do giving her trouble about it Eun Sang can handle the rest anyway. It’s fairly obvious where the romantic story is leading. Tan is wearing down Eun Sang’s barriers (or her love of him is wearing her own barriers). So that leaves us with the question of what happens to Young Do? I think he will become good friends with both Tan and Eun Sang (if Tan matures and learns to control his jealousy where he is concerned, but I think once Eun Sang gives a definite yes to him and he understands Young Do doesn’t man to harm her anymore that will not be a problem). Romantically the writer told us yesterday not to expect a Young Do-Ra Hel coupling but there are still 9 episodes left and anything is still possible. She might just be messing with us. I am wondering whether Tan will be able to convince his mom to be on his side eventually. I’m curious about how Young Do lost his mother and how he could have prevented it if he want with Tan that day. Also what was “mother”’s motive in riling Won against Tan? Is she trying to get back at Madame Han this way?

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Hi Moonbeam! It was rather painful getting here, but I also liked this episode. There was a sense of what complicated high school romance and relationships (good and bad) feel like. Family dynamics continue to make for depressing chaebol life and it makes me kind of sorry that they miss out on a lot of what being a 'regular' high school student is all about.

I had a BOF flashback at the pool scene, though. DH has not redeemed his behavior in any way, shape, or form, but I did have the tiniest twinge in my heart for him when he talked about losing his mother.

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Hello Owl,

I did write at length about family as well as Young Do and others but my posts are too long for the site and awaiting moderation. Young Do didn't do anything to redeem himself yet, in fact he is adding to his crimes, but I do feel really sorry for him after this episode. I was already feeling bad about him because of his father, come on, no matter how bad they are nobody deserves that as a father, for not having a mother, but I also feel bad because of his loneliness, even though it's partly self inflicted through his treatment of Tan. KWB is doing such a great job that I'm conflicted (not about who will be with Eun Sang but I really want Young Do to redeem himself and have a happy ending)

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I felt that he is on the way to redemption in this episode. I realize the pool scene probably upset everyone, but in his own way (not necessarily right, sigh) he was trying to help Eun Sang from becoming emotionally hurt.

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I agree PlumWine (love your nick by the way), his method was wrong but I believe his concern was genuine. I'm just not sure that counts as redemption though.

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I almost feel like it was also a good distraction for her from the situation at hand

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So-was he metaphorically throwing a bucket of water on 2 dogs?

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I felt sorry for the viper lady in the Queen of Ambition also, but I was still happy to see her die :D

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Meaning you want Young Do to die as well?

I wouldn't have been sorry if Min Joon Guk died for example...

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I don't really want anyone to die in this one, if you have not watched Queen of Ambition it is hard to explain just how evil a character can get - much more so than anything in this drama.

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I THEREFORE CONCLUDE THAT I AM A SUCKER FOR SECOND LEAD GUYSSS. Hahaha. I so love Choi Young Doooo. Much much much more than our hero, Kim Tan :))) Its as if he's the one controlling everything, without him, it's just plain boring, 'cause the story is so typical and foretelling. Young Do && Eun Sang have a great chemistry, compare to Kim Tan & Eun Sang.

Haha. And Lee Bo Na, I love her. She's the living example of an inlove teenager. Cute. And she's basically harmless. Quite helpful to Eun Sang if I must say.

I hate that most of the characters are left out. I was really looking forward to Choi Jin Hyuk's character. He's such a great actor, but oh well. Disadvantage of being supporting cast.

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When will kim woo bin play the first lead. He has proven enough he's capable of it. In this drama a jerk like young do is even more attractive than a-one-expression-girl like eun sang. Even i don't like Tan here, he's just good when he's flirting with eunsang. Other than that nope, and please stop the wrist jerking, we've seen enough and it looks painful

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lol at Eunsang not being the one who started the lie that she's 'New Money'. Even if Tan didn't make her new money she would have herself. Remember when she was filling the form, she wrote her mother was a 'housewife' instead of a 'housekeeper' because she is ashamed like how she was ashamed that her mother is doing sigh language in the street in ep1. And when she introduces herself in the class and they ask how she got into the school, she didn't answer because she didn't want them to know she is poor because she is ashamed. They have ask her a lot of time but she do not asnwer because she was waiting for someone to save her or lie for her so she doesn't get the blame.

And then Myungsoo as her, what did she do first? She look at Bona and as if, asking to lie for her and when Bona didn't save her she just kept quiet because the truth she she didn't want them to know she is poor she wanted to pretend as new money but didn't want to lie herself and the BOOM! Tan step in and save her lying she is new money. She didn't correct him that time because THAT is what she wanted. She just didn't want to lie first or create the lie herself because she wanted an excuse to lie, she wanted to keep being new money and then try to justify her action and console herself that she wasn't the one who started it anyway but Kim Tan. She'll put all the blame on Tan even if she knows deep down this is what she wanted.

She's the type of person who self-pity wat too much. She thinks she's the unluckiest person in the world, when she's really not. She value people's opinion about her so much.

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Wow! That's a lot of hate there. I think there is a world of difference between lying outright and avoiding answering personal questions of bad-intentioned nosy people to whom you have no obligation to answer. She did want to reveal the truth but both Tan, the bullied boy and her best friend Chan Young told her not to.

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Totally agree-she doesn't owe any of these people information about her personal life. they are being nosy and rude to ask those questions in the first place. It was Tan who lied.

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I think you're giving her motives she doesn't have. I'm very experienced with that situation of meeting new people, wanting to make a good impression, and knowing that having all your personal info on display will prevent you from having a chance with those people. For example, when I meet new people, I often only mention my oldest two daughters at first in conversation. I want them to get to know me and like me before dropping a potential bomb into the conversation... that I actually have 9 kids. Because people look at you differently and have preconceived ideas about you when they know you are poor or have a disability or have something "shocking" about you. It's hard to get past that barrier. I choose to believe she was just wanting to hold that information back for a while, not that she wanted to lie about it.

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It is not the fact that she did not disclose the information, it is that she perpetuated the lie. I think many people tend to not disclose too much, but a far smaller number actually lie about something that would be so easy to discover.

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I think part of what makes me dislike ES so much in fact is the massive self pity. I still recall back in ep1 she was ready to declare her life over at the massive old age of 18, and her attitude has only gotten worse ever since.

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Yeah but come on, she is only 18. At that age smallest thing in your life looks like a big drama because you don't know any better but think that you know it all.

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"Massive self pity?" Where do you see that? It's true that we have seen her feeling sorry for herself at times. But this is also someone who basically works full-time on top of going to school, is fatherless, has to worry about the future of a mute mother, and is in an extremely stratified society where someone like her is basically spat on for being poor. Moreover, her chances of changing the trajectory of her life are very slim.

And yet, despite that, we've seen her to have humor and spirit; to develop a strong friendship (with Chan-Young); to pursue interests; to have the guts to travel by herself across the world. To me, that's someone with spunk and grit, not someone who feels sorry for herself all the time.

"her attitude has only gotten worse ever since."
If it has (which I haven't seen), can you blame her? She lost her home and has to live in a place where essentially she is a 24-hour maid for her would-be boyfriend's mother. She was forced to go to a school full of jackals. She is physically and psychologically attacked by some rich crazy-ass who took a shine to her. Her hair is pulled and she's slapped. And now she and her mother are being tossed *on the street* for no fault of her own.

And through all this, she has realistically pointed out the obstacles she faces, but doesn't go around complaining about it 24/7. Let's be honest - if she was Suzy Sunshine through all of this, people would be complaining that she is an unrealistic character.

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And would complain that she was a Candy!

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While we agree on the facts, we do not agree on the reasons.

ES took off across the world on her own for one specific purpose - to escape. That ended up in epic fail when her sister stole all the money that her mother had pulled out of the house deposit. That is why they have no house.

She was not forced to go to that school, that was her own choice, perhaps for good reasons, but nonetheless she could have turned it down. Admittedly she probably had no idea what a den of vipers it was.

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I think that because I actually know lots of People Who are/were on worse positions than ES and still make The Best of it to change or at least to be happy I see The massive self pity angle that Windsun33 pointed.
ES thinks of her poverty as a crime and I get that her situation is difficult, but since I get to see kids on The Street everyday and my own father went to college even though He had a Family to support and worked fixing bicycles (earning Just about enough to eat) and still didn't complain about Life all The time, well... I know everybody is different, but since it's already episode 11, what about we get less complaining and a bit more working to change?
That's one of my biggest problems with this drama. ES wants to change her Life, but what she'll do to make that happen? She's at this super prestigious school but she isn't studying really. What do YOU want to do ES?

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I think she's doing well in this situation too. There's more here than just the idea of being poor-she's one of two people living in a closet in someone else's house. How depressing. Even tho she loves the young master, he continually keeping her on edge by pushing towards exposure. And going to school and working 4 part time jobs. Even without the bullying from Young Do, her life is really difficult and depressing. She has a right to whine or cry sometimes. Wouldn't you?

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Upon reflection, I realized that my comment might have been a Little harsh. Ok, she really has a difficult Life and I understand that she needs to cry it out sometimes.
However, my problem is that The show spends so much time on The crying that it seems that she doesn't do anything else. The repetitiveness of The plot is what tires me and makes me have no patience whenever she cries because The only thing I think when that happens is: AGAIN? Her crying loses weight because it seems so one note, you know?
If we had more scenes of her being strong and/or having fun, when she cried it would have more impact, imo.
Balance and movement is what this show needs, otherwise I might end up Always taking out my frustrations on the characters, even if they are not Always to blame.

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Thank you for the recap! I will start with my questions:

1—Did YD know that KT and ES spent the night together? He looked like he knew, when they were having breakfast, but I wasn’t sure. Was that why he threw that barb at KT, “(you have) a woman you miss, and a woman you want to sleep with?”

2—Why did KT lie about spending the night with ES (and ES said nothing)? Was that to protect her, so the other students would not give her a hard(er) time? So now, KT and ES are sneaking around…?

3—Why did HS say that he wanted to see “a virgin ghost?” Why does she (I am assuming it is a she) have to be a virgin? (I am sure this is a cultural element I missed).

4—I am still struggling with understanding YD: why was he upset that ES was a charity case? She didn’t choose to be, and how does that affect him? Why does he care so much about that? (Stupid question, I know). She doesn’t like him, and he can’t force her feelings for him, so… (Maybe he just being YD :-)

5—Am I the only one who is concerned that HS might die? Some things are really wrong with him, and his mom is not helping (neither is his family, for that matter). It looks like he might be an only child? I keep thinking back to the body drawn on the floor we saw in an earlier episode.

6—I love the expression that was used to describe YD’s emotions: his eyes were shaking like an earthquake. That speaks volume.

7—So, if CY’s dad has a lot of shares, he is more important than he actually seems to be (as a player in the company).

8—KT said: “I did wrong,” to ES. About what? Confessing to his mom that he likes ES? Bringing her into his room? Both?

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@Ivoire, #4, I don't think YD is upset that ES is a charity case, he is upset that he now knows she is a charity case and can no longer bug her about her status in school. It was one of the main reasons for him to talk to her. That's why he would prefer to speculate on her reason for living at KT's house rather knowing the truth from her.
#7 CY's dad is just being used by KT's dad to hold onto the company's shares like a dummy corporation. KT's dad is using various people to hold onto the company's shares so no one knows how many shares he really owns.
You are so curious about Korean culture, I think you would really enjoy visiting here.

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Hello Rachelle,

Thank you for clarifying #4 and #7 for me. I don't always understand everything in the episodes (and I like to), so it is nice to be able to come here and ask questions. Your explanations actually really helped. And I totally agree with you, I think I would really enjoy visiting Korea, I am so curious about so many things (about everything, really :-) ).

I find it interesting that now, YD feels like he can't bother ES, any more, because he used to bully that other boy who left, and YD KNEW that he was a charity case, and actually because of that, he felt entitled to bully him. Interesting that because now he is "in like/in love" with ES, he wants to protect her, and not bully her per se. Though in this episode, he continued to use ES as a rag doll, as JB aptly pointed out. I do get that he is becoming protective of ES, but his methods continue to send the wrong message, i.e. that he is just messing with her, to get to KT. What is he getting out of it, anyway? And for how long, YD? (not too long, methinks, the way things are going).

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You know how much I LOVE watching KWB, unfortunately I think it's too late for him to show some redeeming qualities to make romance with PSH happen in this drama. Just once I would like to squeal over something he does for PSH but he always ruins it.

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YD shows the conflict of a bully-who-wants-to-change-his-ways very well. He absolutely has no clue about how to get a girl (or even what is proper behavior); so, when he tries to help her/ protect her, it comes off as messing with her. I haven't given up hope for redemption yet because YD and his redemption are the only reason I am here. I don't really care anymore if he gets ES or not. He can have another great girl. Of course, he will be hurt but there are no wounds time can't heal :) I believe he is on his way to redemption because he was nice to Rachael in this episode. He told her to strengthen herself for a tough day and to call him she needs help. To hear that from YD, that is huge. Also Tan said that YD looked moved (He said that YD's eyes shook like they are in an earthquake) when he talked to ES. That is also a good sign.

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I think his dad's relationships with women have really messed him up and he can't or hasn't learned how to be friends with or treat women as anything other than the mistresses or sexual objects his father keeps around and visits at those bars. He is definitely my favorite character and I love that he is an unapologetic, dynamic devil -his actions always keep me guessing (especially loved him dropping her into the pool).

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@ Rachelle,

I have to be honest! I too love YD. I didn't before, but I do now, and the way KWB portrays him has a LOT to do with that. I agree with Lin_K that YD has NO clue, no idea as to how to treat a woman. I am not condoning his actions, or even excusing them. Many, if not most (or all) of them were wrong, and out of line. That being said, I love how KWB infuses those subtle touches that let us know that YD is being touched, moved and changing slowly. As Lin_K said also, that gives me hope for his redemption, which I would love to see, in big part, because I would like to see KWB play sick puppy in love, who is willing to protect ES and eventually help out KT because of their bromance. I am also holding out hope that KT and YD will get their bromance back.

This is a little selfish of me, however, because I have not seen all of KWB's dramas (only 2), and I don't know when I will see his other (past) dramas, I want to see him being bad, AND good, in this drama. I want to continue to see the acting range of KWB, and that could happen here.

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I agree Rachel. I think it's the only way he knows to show affection as misplaced as it is. I really wish that this drama had used YD character properly from the beginning. They made him so hateful, that you can't even have sympathy for him. Now that he is changing it feels forced. I want to like Tan and ES, but I am having a hard time. Is it wrong that right now there isn't anyone I want the heroine to end up with? Instead I'll like to see her rise above both of these boys, and find someone perfect for her. Too bad Bo Na isn't a boy, I totally love her!

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5) Ohmigoodness, I had completely forgotten about the body drawn in chalk at the school. I sure hope HS doesn't die, he's one of the few characters I REALLY like. He seems grounded :(. I hope that wasn't foreshadowing.

6) I do too! As much as I worry about what it says about me, I'm starting to like ES and YD together, he seems to be the most honest and vulnerable, but hides it. But to be honest, with his history what can we expect. But he may need therapy, not love, at least not yet.

8) I think both, or maybe his wrong was not realizing his privilege and that liking someone is not a luxury that ES has, especially in her predicament. For KT it's a matter of feelings, for ES it's her livelihood. I think that is what perturbs me the most about him in the series, how little he realizes the consequences of his actions, especially when others will bear the brunt.. But those are just my thoughts.

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Hello Ziah,

5--I hope HS doesn't die as well, however, he looked sooooo terribly sad, when he was talking to his mom, I felt scared for him and wondered what he meant by the "he is planning something" thing he told KT when they were at the school. KT told him not to do anything that would endanger his life, and HS said he wouldn't (he doesn't like hospital food), and I can't help but wonder, what it is then, that he is planning. I really, really felt for him, when he was talking to his mom. It seems as if he was reaching out to her, and she rejected him, yet again. You got to see how lonely he must be as well, and I finally realized that HS has been hiding it well. So sad :-(

6--You know Ziah, I thought that expression was very interesting, and that is why I find languages so fascinating. They inform you of how people look at the world. For KT to have been able to see YD's eyes from where he was standing was something... (I don't buy that, but I will roll with it. Besides, YD was kind turning his back to KT, so I don't see how KT could have seen his eyes).

So, eyes are very small (as we know), and for them to be compared to an earthquake (which you feel, when there is one) was interesting. That drew an image for me that I could immediately visualize, and I liked that analogy, and found it interesting, especially because YD's eyes actually didn't move that much. One could see the emotions in them however. He went from being sarcastic and cocky, to being rattled and moved in a few seconds, with what ES told him. I was really impressed to see that. And I loved how KWB acted that out.

8--Ziah, I totally love what you said here, especially this, "For KT it’s a matter of feelings, for ES it’s her livelihood. I think that is what perturbs me the most about him in the series, how little he realizes the consequences of his actions, especially when others will bear the brunt.. " because to be honest, I have been feeling the same way. I have been finding KT to be selfish a lot of the times, because I felt that he had not tried to put himself in ES's shoes, and look at her situation from her perspective. He tends to jump 1st, and think later, and that has hurt her.

I find it interesting that in his relationship with his brother, he is mature, always reaching out to him, and not taking his insults to heart, but with ES, he focuses most of the time on what HE wants, and on how things should be like, from his perspective. That has been bothering me a lot, even from an 18 year old. ES seems more mature to me, and I totally understand her reactions, based on what she is going through, and based on the situations she is facing. KT, on the other hand, irritates me and frustrates me often. I understand his motives, however I don't always condone how he goes about things. He has been often (quite often) immature with ES and her challenges. Like you, just my 2cents :-)

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"He seems grounded :( ."

Hope that's not a metaphor.

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Or foreshadowing

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forget the last comment. They already said it. I had a brainfart

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Hello Gidget, what do you mean, please?

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As in he'll be found on the ground due to…(insert any self-inflicted injury here)

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@ Nomad,
thanks for explaining, and "Oh No!!!!" I want HS to stay alive, and I was hoping he would get HJ, but I don't think it will happen :-(

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@Nomad
Yep.

@kungfupigeon
And speaking of foreshadowing, see comment 3.5.
I think the place he was standing is right above where the chalk outline was.

HS is a really compelling character. Outwardly he's all wisdom, kindness and light. But his internal world is very blind, self-devaluing and dark. He's more a spectator than participant in life.

Now that I think about it, isn't the writer saying that each character's sense of self-worth and their concept of how to treat others merely a mirror of how they're treated at home? I'm guessing that she has a social-activism oriented objective in writing this drama.

Tan = doesn't take himself seriously and treats others as a means to fulfill is own desires

ES - values herself as a means to support the family and loves others unconditionally when they face hardship.

CY - feels worthless and treats others with brutality.

Rachel - feels as though her only utility is to promote the family business and treats others with a goal-oriented cold pragmatism

HS - feels a lack of personal identity and treats others with a sense of responsibility to be a leader

Bo Na - is a princess that treats others with the unique mix of hauteur and gentility that characterizes a royal.

Etc.

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"I think that is what perturbs me the most about him in the series, how little he realizes the consequences of his actions, especially when others will bear the brunt.. But those are just my thoughts."

Kim Won has expressed similar thoughts to Kim Tan on several occasions.

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Right now, I am suspecting either Lee Hyo-Shin, Jo Myung-Soo, or Moon Joon Young as the person responsible for drawing the body outline in chalk at the school.

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Hello August,

Yes, KW has said those things to KT, however, when it comes to KW, I don't believe that KT wants to knowingly hurt his brother. There are enough shares for them to share, and really, they should band together (and fight Chairman Daddy), instead of KW fighting KT. I don't believe that KT has hurt KW by coming back.

When it comes to ES however, I do agree that his actions have hurt/made things harder for her, and that he has not very often thought about the consequences before acting. Who is Moon Joon Young again? Is that the boy who was bullied by YD and who ended leaving?

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Hi Ivoire,

I agree with you that Kim Tan loves Kim Won dearly and tries his best to avoid causing intentional and unintentional harm to him.

Yes, Moon Joon Young is the student that Choi Young-Do bullied. Thank goodness he was able to transfer to another school.

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1. Yeah, I think he knew.
2. Probably. Think of the scandal and gossip.
4. He is intrigued by something outside his experience, so he doesn't know how to handle it. (Really inexperienced with emotional empathy.)
5. Oh beep! I forgot about that chalk outline!
6. I think he is actually beginning to feel genuine emotions for the first time in a long time.
7. I hope he is more powerful than he seems. Luckily for Won he seems like a good guy.
8. Both

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Hello PlumWine,

Good to read from you again, and thank you for answering my questions. I keep worrying about HS, seeing how emotional he was with his mother. Suicidal people do that sometimes, reaching out before doing something dangerous. I have also read that this writer tends to give clues to the viewer, so I keep thinking back to that body drawn with the chalk. However, since HS said he would not do something dangerous any more, I want to believe him. His scene with his mom got to me though.

I would also like to see Yoon being more powerful than he actually looks, that would be a great twist.

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I really hope HS doesn't commit suicide! I love him!

The scene with his mother was very poignant. At first, I winced when she seemed to blow him off. But then I tried to think about it from a different cultural view. From her perspective, making sure her son succeeds is the most important thing. And from what I understand, Korean parents, certainly of a particular generation, are not as comfortable discussing "feelings" and mental health issues.

So from her perspective, she is probably doing the best thing for her son, even if what he really needs is to be heard. I may be projecting, but I thought she looked pained when she dismissed him. If Hyo-Shin gets any airtime, I would love to see he and his parents come to an understanding of each other.

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@ Faye - I've been reading about some of the culture differences of Korean parents, however being a mom I don't think I'd just rely on some pills after my child tried to commit suicide. She doesn't take into account his own thoughts or desires. (I don't understand how managing one's almost adult child's life can teach them how to become a responsible and capable adult. I heard a USA parent saying he had to go schedule his daughters college classes earlier this week so this is universal and bothersome problem.). Not to mention it seems to be a topic in the news more often, so she should be aware.

I did see her expression as she turned away but I'm on the fence of her being worried about her future plans for him or being pained at dismissing him as you said. I can only hope they can connect and work towards an understanding.

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@PlumWine - You made some valid points. I'm really on the fence about it as well, but I guess I wanted to be optimistic and give her the benefit of the doubt. Either way, the scene is very poignant, and I cringed when Hyo-Shin tried to open to his mother and was shut down.

A parent scheduling his child's college classes? Oh dear.

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Hello Faye,

I just want to let you know how much I LOVE that you went from complimenting me that time, when I wrote my long analysis of KT's mom (and you said you needed to watch every drama I watch :-) ), to you yourself becoming/turning into a fellow writer/analysis(er) (I am trying to make up a word, :-) ) of Kdramas. I have enjoyed reading your thoughts about this drama, cultures, and life in general. Please don't take this the wrong way, but seeing you participate so much here makes me want to say to you, "Faye, you go girl :-)!!!!!"

I don't want to be the person of doom here, and I hope that I am not being that. I just felt so sad for HS in that scene. Throughout the drama so far, he had put up a good face, and acting the respectable sunbae. In that scene, I felt as if I was seeing HS, for who he was. I was seeing behind or below his veneer, and I was moved by how vulnerable he looked. I realized then, how lonely he must have been feeling all this time. I was glad to see that he is somewhat friends with KT (though the strongest bromance is with YD), but I couldn't help but feel for him. KHN (the actor playing HS), is a big reason why I was so moved by HS.

I would just like to see HS get what he wants in life: wonderful parents, a profession of his choice, and a good woman (girlfriend). It might be too much to expect HS to be able to get all three, so I would settle for him to get at least one thing he really, really wants, and that might be his parents listening to him and actually hearing him.
P.S.: I left you a response in episode 10 recap, I hope that you saw it. Sorry for not responding on time (and for not responding when I said would, the other times). I wish days were longer than 24 hours. :-)

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@Ivoire -Thanks for your kind words, and for all your thought-provoking posts. To be honest, this thread is now the equivalent of drama crack -it frustrates me so much, yet I can't seem to quit it :). I've never seen the level of hostility in any Dramabeans thread that "Heirs" inspires here. Not only against the plot, the characters, and the actors, but against posters who dare to actually like the drama and express certain opinions. For example, last week I was told that I am a person who enjoys child abuse because I was glad Kim-Tan stood up to Young-Do. I didn't think this was that kind of board, and the invective shocked me. If we can't disagree about a drama without insulting each other, the whole level of discourse really degrades. And it certainly takes the fun out of the experience.

Anyway, the point of this digression was that you and a handful of others generate very good discussions about "Heirs," and you're what keep me coming back here :). So you go, yourself!

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@Faye - this comes late, I'm not sure how it played out in your memory, and I'd say the language used may have been out of line.

But I read that thread and remember quite clearly that what the poster/s objected to was your characterisation of Tan's purposely and knowingly triggering YD's dad to hit him, as something that was justified and fair, in response to YD's house visit and rudeness to his mother.

Causing physical parent-child violence to be unleashed on someone and walking away with a little smirk, as Tan did, is morally questionable no matter who the target of that violence is, and never mind that it was paying back verbal rudeless with a (would-be) full-on beating. And I would look askance at anyone who supported that action in a fictional character.

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Hello Ivoire,

I really don't think he will commit suicide, but now you and everyone else here has got me worried about it. He's going to do something, maybe start dating Hyun Joo. (That might wake up his parents and Won :) ). The mom scene really showed just how isolated in his family he is. Do any parents listen to their kids in this drama besides Eun Sang's mom?

What I'd really like to see is Yoon tell Puppet strings daddy to back off, teach Won how to trust, and figure out how Tan can get his brother on his side. Or just take over the company.

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I think Yoon is going to make a surprise takeover bid with his shares AND with Rachel's Mom. He's got to be planning something, it is a k-drama after all......

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@isnin- Perfection!

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Hello PlumWine,

Good to hear from you, as always! :-) To be honest, I don't think HS will commit suicide (again), because he and Tan have already ruled that out. It is just that, after that scene, HS as you pointed out looked so isolated, and it is the kind of things that sends already emotionally vulnerable people over the edge, and I felt uneasy about what might be going through HS's head as he was going up the stairs.

I know he is planning something big, and I am so curious about it. I wonder if he will date HJ. Would she let him date her? He is still dependent on his parents for everything, what could he be planning that would be so big and not involving his parents' help?

Regarding Yoon, I LOVE your suggestions, however I can't help but wonder, "how would he do that?" Yoon doesn't have any leverage, and if he told Puppet string daddy off, he would lose his job :-( and CY would be out of school. I also think he would have a hard time convincing KW to trust him, since KW already hates him (or at least doesn't trust him). I would love it if Yoon could take over the company, however, we are wishfully thinking here, aren't we? How would he get all those board members to his side? I don't know how Yoon could help KT bring his brother closer, when KW doesn't want to have anything to do with KT. Great wishes there, and maybe you are just more creative than I am about how to make that happen. :-)

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I'm not sure what he said to Tan because I don't understand Korean, and subbers sometimes (make that often) say things their own way. But I'm thinking he said he wouldn't do that again because he didn't like hospital food. But he could have meant-he won't fail the next time. I really hope that isn't what he meant.

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He didn't say he wouldn't attempt suicide again....I also took his statement of "I wouldn't do that again. I don't like hospital food." to mean that he will not fail at his next attempt. He will just try a different way of killing himself.

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@isnin- Imperfection!

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Hello isnin and anniejang
Thank you for your responses. And ick, about HS trying to commit suicide again. Let's hope not :-(.

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I hope not too, but now that it's been brought up, I can't help thinking that he's the one who keeps drawing the chalk figure because that's where he's planning on landing. and he stands up on that bridge to work up the courage to jump. This is certainly a much bigger plan that taking an overdose. A big bang. I can't believe I'm saying this horrifying thing, but everything seems to point to this way he's thinking. Even the fact that he's extra sweet seems to add to this.

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A little background on virgin ghosts:
virgin ghosts are the most commonly seen ghosts in Korean horror movies and ghost stories. they are spirits of young females who met death before being able to get married. they're usually portrayed wearing sobok (white hanbok worn in times of mourning) and with long hair that often covers their faces (traditionally, single women were not to wear their hair up). in Confucian Korean society, a woman's role in life was to serve the men in her life (farther, husband, son). Cheonyeo gwishin are women who died before finding husbands, and so were unable to fulfill their lives' purpose. because of this unfinished business, they are bitter spirits that are unable to leave the human world.

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Thanks and Yikes!

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Hello Adette,

Thank you so much for your response. I so appreciate that you are always helping me understand better this drama and the Korean culture, by explaining to me what words and expressions mean.

You said that no one would want to have a virgin ghost (or a ghost, period) appear in front of them if they didn't have a death wish. Does that mean that seeing a ghost automatically means dying afterwards? I am kind of curious about that.

About the sobok, I didn't know that Koreans also wore a white hanbok in times of mourning, and I am only saying that because I have only seen them wear the black hanbok when they are mourning (the one on which they place something on their arm). I hope that I am making sense. Could you please expand a little bit more on that? Thank you.

This was a very interesting cultural fact. Thank you for explaining. Also, I loved your long commentary/response to my comment in ep. 10. I meant to respond, however, the time and days got away from me, sorry :-(. Please keep on sharing your thoughts with us :-)

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it doesn't mean you'd automatically die, it's just..well, like I said before, cheonyeo gwishin are angry/bitter ghosts. I just know I wouldn't want a vengeful spirit to come find me :p traditionally, people would try to appease the spirits. one way they'd do this is by performing shamanistic spirit weddings (영혼 결혼; younghon gyeorhon) between a female virgin ghost and the ghost of a bachelor (총각 귀신; chonggak gwishin). another way they would try to appease the spirits was to build phallic-shaped statues (for an example, look up haesindang park).

as for sobok... (the name for the white hanbok; mourning clothes collectively are "sangbok"), well, actually I'll just talk about sangbok. traditionally, in the mourning period, family members wore white sangbok made of hemp cloth. this has changed more recently, mostly due to western and Japanese influence (black is the traditional mourning color in must western nations. during Japanese colonization period of Korea, men began to wear western style suits at funerals rather than hanbok). so, today, men wear black western style suits and women wear black or white clothing (you can rent funeral attire at funeral homes . they usually carry both colors). the arm band (women sometimes will wear bows in their hair) are made of hemp cloth, like old tradition. family members are expected to wear it for add long as the mourning period, which various in length depending on one's relation to the deceased. sorry I don't have more specific info; this was about all I could dig up in the quick research I did ^^;

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#5 Oh no! Add to that, didn't you find it odd that he was alone, staring down from the roof when Kim Tan returned to school.

Remember:
"Watching from afar is vomiting sunbae Hyo-shin, who notes with entertainment that Lucifer has just arrived in “this school of Satans.”"

The scene when his mom said she didn't want to hear why he tried to take his life was absolutely heartbreaking.

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The moms in this show, except ES' mom and Tan's mom, should just disappear. They're so awful.

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What? Along with Bo Na they are the best the show offers!

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I like Rachel's mum. She's tough and she knows she's doing a business marriage, but she's still willing to be a mother to Young Do. And she picks up her daughter from school despite working as the head of her company. That's impressive.

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I have been reading over and over that this drama doesn’t have a plot or a theme. I think the problem is that it has too many and they have not melded harmoniously yet. The whole “dream“ theme has been analysed in the earlier weeks (see Faye’s comment 37.1 for episode 7). California was a dream for Eun Sang and a dreamlike existence for Tan. We also need to get the dreamcatcher into this discussion as well. With that dreamcatcher Eun Sang gave Tan a beautiful dream but when she didn’t show courage to accompany Tan in that dream his dream turned into a bad one. Tan also has dreams of a friendlier relationship with his brother and he interpreted his brother’s refusal of that dream in the wine cellar scene while he had lent his dreamcatcher to Eun Sang as a bad dream.

KDaddict explored social commentary on hierarchical society and the theme of mother (comment 15 for episode 8). But I think before those, the more important themes of this show are family and friendship. What is a family is a theme that is explored repeatedly through a variety of characters. What makes a family? What is the criteria to be used? Is it living together? Is it official registry? Is it legitimacy? Is it love? Tan’s family is the most obvious example. Is Tan’s official “mother” part of the family just because she is in the family register as well as his “mom” who isn’t? She doesn’t even live in the same house with them - and that’s another dimension of the discussion: Families live together (thus Tan’s joy of having Eun Sang living in his house “as if they are really living together” just as that poetry book said). How about Tan’s mom who lives in the same house but is not on the family register? When Tan was in exile he wasn’t allowed to live with them but was sent far away, excluded from the family. When he returned as a protest Won excluded himself from the family house. Won doesn’t see Tan, his father’s wife nor mistress as part of his family. The “mother” who raised him but didn’t give him love is no mother of his. The half-brother and his father’s mistress don’t make a “real” family to him (these are his words). Young Do doesn’t live with his father but stays in a hotel room (do we need a better indicator of the dysfunctionality of his family?) Then there is Young Do and Ra Hel’s parents who are trying to force a family onto their resisting children. Will their marriage make them into a family? How about Tan and Ra Hel’s merger and acquisition engagement? Will that make them into a family? We don’t know what’s up with Hyo Shin’s family besides all the pressure he is put under but his throwing up, suicide attempt and Tan’s reference made it clear that that family is also less than functional. We haven’t seen all characters’ families yet but from what we have seen following drama clichés mostly the rich families are dysfunctional and problematic whereas the comparatively poorer ones with hearts of gold are better (setting aside Eun Sang’s sister’s selfishness and disregard of the members of her family). The only seemingly functional families are the single parent families of the social care group Chang Young and Eun Sang. I loved that Eun Sang’s mother supported her 100 percent when Madam Han discovered them in Tan’s room. And what did Tan’s mother do? I also find it interesting that except for Tan and Eun Sang the kids at school don’t seem to have siblings. Family wise the most anticipated relationship is of course Tan and Won’s reconciliation which will do both of them a lot of good. I’m hoping for a City Hall like ending in which the brothers together defeat their dad (same evil dad everyone!). The family theme is also explored from the angle of what happens to kids raised without love in dysfunctional families. Tan and Young Do become bullies, Hyo Shin is suicidal, Won is cold and selfish, Rachel is a spoiled brat, orphan Hyun Joo is afraid to embrace love and so on.

As discordant as the relationships at school currently are I am expecting a few friendships to be explored. One solid friendship is between Eun Sang and Chan Young. Eun Sang tolerates Bo Na for her friend and Chan Young deals with his girlfriend’s displeasure for his friend. Contrary to popular opinion I have liked Bo Na and disliked Ra Hel since episode 1. I can’t see Eun Sang and Ra Hel to be friends in the end but I can totally see Eun Sang and Bo Na and I was feeling this way since the beginning of the show. Her grudging help and support is a step in the right direction. Bo Na also has a girlfriend and is friendly with most of the boys (Hyo Shin, Myung Soo, Young Do). Ra Hel as the typical bitchy second lead does not have any female friends. The only person she seems friendly with is Hyo Shin but that’s because he seems to be friendly with everyone (I am not including oppa Won as a friend for her because so far theirs are chance encounters). Tan used to be Ra Hel’s friend and wanted to continue his friendship but it was Ra Hel who wanted more from him who refused. Yet, in last night’s episode, during her distress Tan was the only friend trying to comfort her – albeit awkwardly. After seeing Tan trying to comfort Ra Hel and Eun Sang asking after Young Do I can see them all being friends in the end...

Young Do has Myung Soo but though he gives Young Do some frank commentary at times he seems to be more of a sidekick than a genuine friend who understands him or shares his secrets, which is exactly what he needs and I was sure he is missing Tan’s friendship terribly though I thought he would rather die than owning this. Boy, did he prove me wrong in last night’s episode. For me this is the most interesting friendship I’d like the show to explore. Because since he lost Young Do’s friendship Tan is terribly lonely, too. I knew Young Do has absolutely no chance to have a romantic relationship with Eun Sang since she liked Tan long before she set eyes on Young Do. I thought it might be nice for them to be friends eventually but did not think it would happen. After last night’s episode I think it might be possible after all. People keep asking why the boys like Eun Sang. Eun Sang was the only one who asked whether he was OK after news broke out about his dad’s engagement. Eun Sang cares about people. Even people like Young Do and Ra Hel. She felt sorry for them both when the news of their parents’ engagement upset them. She was able to see through Young Do and this shocked him. She felt sorry for him for eating alone all the time. That also affected him. I liked this development very much. He would like her friendship, apparently he’s using things he harasses her with as excuses to talk to her.

Another very lonely character is Won (of course partially his fault because his brother is dying to be his best friend). I wonder whether Secretary Yoon could be a friend to Won, he seems in need of one as well and his warning regarding his father’s surveillance might be the beginning of that. In this episode he said a few words of wisdom about their relationships if only Won listens. Although Won seems to measure friendships based on business rather than this so he’s annoyed with Yoon about the shares.

Another theme the show explores is money vs. love (which is typical of rich boy poor girl dramas - out of curiosity are there any good examples of rich girl poor boy dramas or kdramas only use the Harlequin romance trope of rich guy-poor girl?) Anyway, in the early episodes people complained about the amount of screentime adults got and recently I read someone asking what’s the point of Esther and Secretary Yoon’s relationship. Esther and Secretary Yoon’s relationship exemplify one possibility of Tan and Won’s future. They show what happens if people give up their love for social conventions and money. Two people who haven’t found happiness and still longing for each other after 20 years.

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"Phoenix" is an example of rich girl poor guy, but it also goes pretty deep into why passionate love is not enough and can lead to a disaster if you are too immature to handle it.

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Hmm, I haven't heard of it, I'll check it out but sounds like it doesn't end well. I usually only watch happy romcoms.

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It's on Viki and DF. Actually it does end (sort of) well, but there is a lot of not-so-well in between. It is above average, but 24 episodes so I ended up skipping a lot of the middle.

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@Moonbean comment seems really plausible to me. I like how the drama explores family issues and shows the impact that adult's behaviour has on children. I also like the quite egoistical and those realistic choice they have to make – money:love (in real life both can change really fast ;))

Just, I find KT really boring and too selfish. Even more than YD. If YD seems to be changing from bad to a little-less-bad, KT is changing from less-bad to bad (and boring). I feel that he is not doing much more than Don Quixote was doing - he is not good at school, he doesn't have any plan for the future, he lives like a rich spoiled kid incapable of doing anything else than talk big toward windmills. And still he wants a strong minded and really adult ES to date him and suffer for it. For all these reasons I don't like the main pairing. But I like all the rest :)

Thanks for recapping DB :)

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I have read from other also that Kim Tan doesn't do anything. I think it's not because he is not capable of it but because until now he didn't care for it. His instructions from his hyung when being sent to exile was to have fun. I think we will see his capabilities in the second half of the show when he has actually something to fight for.

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I thought this too. He's been living with no thought for 3 years, and suddenly has to grow up and get serious if he wants to have love and protect someone his family will not accept. He can't just switch his whole way of living overnight, because he doesn't know how to live differently. Hopefully, Eun Sang will teach him. I think she actually has a pretty good head on her shoulders in handling him, in spite of her understandably horrible fatigue.

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Well I have to agree, but still I would prefer that the drama would take more time to show him being an apathetic party oriented teenager, who slowly changes. Till now I couldn't see nor the previous KT, nor the new one. And I certainly cannot see the change in his approach toward others. I like LMH as an actor, but I don’t like how he’s portraying KT. In a way his acting seems to calm and composed for a teenager boy who just came back to face the past and who has to fight the windmills.
Also, the dichotomy in his actions really bothers me - one moment he is behaving really adult-like, and then another moment he is behaving like a childish brat (using violence, putting ES in a difficult position...). If he’d be childish all the time from the beginning and then he’d slowly show us his responsible side, it’d be easier for me to follow his change.

Well, I like this drama more than many others and I just hope that they don’t mess the end (too much ;))

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Huh, I remembered - fragile is the word I was looking for when talking about LMH portrayal of KT. I can feel YD and ES (teenage) fragility, but due to LMH acting not KT’s one, even during his most difficult situations.

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First and foremost, Kim Tan adapts and responds to a person or situation based upon the environment (California vs. Korea, home vs. school, father vs. brother, "legal mother" vs. "biological mom," etc.) that the situation occurs in.

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Your take on all these interactions and themes is thought provoking. I would really like it if your themes come true, especially the friendships.

Frankly, I'm beginning to see that few of them actually have 'families'. They have relatives who are roommates or benefactors providing room and board. I'm of the opinion you can make your own 'family' but you can't choose your relatives. A family are the people you can be yourself with, have meaningful talks with, fight with and still know you are cared and loved. Some of these poor rich kids are nothing more than means to acquisitions and mergers. Sad.

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I agree that Heirs addresses a number of themes, and like your analysis of them, but I still maintain that it's a loosely plotted drama, albeit one with a lot of story to tell. I don't think it's inherently bad to have a lot of story and little plot, it just means that it might fall a little flat for some people.

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Re: this show doesn't have a plot/theme.

Just saw this and made another post that would have been better-placed here. How about what's in Comment 3.2.2.2.3?

Sometimes writers write stories wherein art imitates life. Other times writers have more of an activist agenda. To me it's felt like the writer has more passion for the social topics than for the story itself.

So far we've touched on:
1. Parental expectations for their children
2. Physical abuse
3. Bullying

I'm guessing she may yet add commentary on:
4. Suicide
5. Chidrens' 'rights'

Meanwhile, the story recycles, meanders and lollygags.

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LOL @ Kim Tan trying to block ES in the broadcast room. He's like his mom. So funny.

Anyway, I'm not sure if I want the rumored spoilers to come true. On one hand, that seems too lazy for the writer. On the other hand, it would seem better than the current stuff going on where KT and YD plays ES tug of war.

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Wait, what rumored spoilers?

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Google's our friend. ;) Can't discuss spoilers here, whether it's speculation or not. Let's just say that I'm 50/50 over it. My reaction was, Really KES? That's how you'll solve things for the leads? Too lazy. But I'm kinda hoping there's some truth to it to spice things up as the same things have been happening over and over again and there's little progress in the story.

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Oops! But these are just people's opinions, they can't be counted as spoilers

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That ES is HS's younger sister etc. and CY and Rachel are half siblings... Those are the rumours I saw on tumblr. I think the last one is plausible. We haven't been given a reason as to why Rachel's dad divorced her mother... Maybe he found out

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Ack!

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Haha sorry! More topics to discuss? :P

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I could believe the second one too, but as for the first, how is that even possible? Aww well, guess we gotta wait to find out.

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