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Heirs: Episode 16

There’s a twist or two in today’s proceedings, as both brothers smarten up and batten down the hatches in anticipation of warring with Dad. We’ve been building up to this showdown all series long, and with futures—and hearts—on the line, the stakes climb ever higher in this game of family strife. It’s a bit of a relief to see the battle begin after spending so much time watching characters maneuver their pawns into position, though sadly to say I think the drama sort of folds back on itself in making its point. But it’s not like that’s news to anybody, is it?

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EPISODE 16 RECAP

So Eun-sang takes the deal with the chairman devil, accepting his plane ticket to exile in exchange for a two weeks all-access pass to Tan. Not really a fair trade, but it’s not like she sees a better option.

Mom receives a flurry of text messages from people to whom she owed money, thanking her for paying back the loan. Mom’s first thought is that her severance came in early and she asks Madam Han about it. That makes Madam Han panic at the thought of losing her favorite housekeeper and she huffs, You’re wanting your pay NOW? Are you thinking of another boss right now? Who is she? How far have you gone? It’s cute.

Eun-sang doesn’t know about this either, though she realizes that the chairman must have paid off their debts behind their backs, wasting no time shoving her out of their lives.

Now she’s allowed up the staircase and puts on a smiling face for Tan, who pulls her inside, thinking she sneaked past the guards. She lets him think that, saying she missed him so much she had to see him. He pulls her into a hug, and she apologizes for being the cause of his captivity, but he sets her straight and takes responsibility for it: “I came back of my own will, so that I could stop being locked up. Because the way to be with you isn’t being with you.” Okay, I get what you’re saying, even though semantically what you just said makes no sense.

He asks her to trust him no matter what he chooses: “Now all I have left is you.” He holds her close, and she cries silently.

Won has a drink with Manager Yoon, who even now is playing neutral and not taking his side, which Won notes wryly. Manager Yoon suggests that he try understanding Tan’s position, but Won has lived through the past generation’s bitter sibling strife after Grandpa died and his aunts and uncles turned on each other. Why try to understand Tan when that fight is in his future? I guess the option of not fighting is not on the table.

Won had offered Manager Yoon a new job as his vice president, an offer Manager Yoon is still considering. He says he’ll answer soon.

In the morning, Tan keeps a close eye on the front gate security feed. Are we back to the stalking-is-romantic line? Eun-sang anticipates that Tan may be watching and writes him a greeting, sending a wave up at the camera.

Eun-sang gets a few snide remarks on her way in to school, and then is accosted by reporters eager for an interview with anybody who knows Tan. She’s rescued by her tormentor-turned-black knight Young-do, who takes over the conversation and sends her along. When asked if he’s close with Tan, Young-do quips that he’s Jeguk’s third son, and Myung-soo(k) chimes in with a girlish “And I’m the youngest daughter.” Lol. They both win points for that, defusing the situation in the best way possible.

Eun-sang finds her locker trashed and her gym clothes soaked in soy milk. So Young-do orders a whole stockpile of the stuff from the store, then winds up to throw a box at the other lockers. (I always wonder at the stuff that happens off-screen in moments like this—so are they just standing around for twenty minutes, twiddling their thumbs while waiting for the delivery?)

Young-do’s thought process is that he’ll get the culprit if he just throws milk everywhere, to which Eun-sang exclaims, “You’re going to ruin everything just to ruin the culprit?” Uh, are you unfamiliar with his style by now? He is Mr. Scorched Earth.

She thanks him for the thought but declines the gesture. Young-do leaves the soy milk to her, and she hands them out to Bo-na and Chan-young. They’re suspicious, of course, and ask if she’s experiencing any ill effects, heh.

Eun-sang gives Bo-na the promised photo of childhood Chan-young, and then apologizes to Bo-na before giving Chan-young a hug. I love the look on his face, all discomfort and confusion, which is then mirrored on Bo-na’s face when she gets the next hug. Eun-sang can’t explain that she’s saying her goodbyes, so she just says it was a whim.

Manager Yoon shows up for his tutoring session with Tan, and clues him in to the possibility of Dad sending Eun-sang to study abroad. Phew, thank goodness that secret’s out. Tan storms into his father’s office, takes back his phone, and calls stepmom Madam Jung—he requests her aid in getting to school, knowing she’ll agree because of the stock he now holds, and stocks are leverage in this family.

Dad barks that that isn’t why he gave him those stocks, but Tan says that Dad was the one who gave him that sword to wield now as bargaining chip. Tan warns his father to lay off Eun-sang, because if he doesn’t, he may have to swing that sword and strike somebody down.

Madam Jung picks Tan up, and their conversation on the way to school is dripping with thinly veiled antagonism. She helped, but he’ll have to pay a price for it later. Upon arrival at school, they present a united front for the benefit of the reporters, and the friends marvel that they’ve never seen the two looking so close.

Tan walks straight into class, packs up Eun-sang’s things without a word, and pulls her into Myung-soo’s workshop. Digging through her bag, he finds the plane ticket for Buenos Aires. Feeling betrayed, he asks, “Do you even like me? Or trust me?” Ripping the ticket to shreds, he asks how she could accept the ticket, knowing it would banish her from Korea forever, and then smile at him.

She says that she was scared, but he says she should have let him fight his father directly—after losing everything but her, he can’t then also lose her. He apologizes for making her cry.

Young-do joins them, and Tan surprises them all by asking him to hold onto Eun-sang until Tan can come back for her. I’m not sure what’s worse: that they’re back to passing Eun-sang back and forth between them, or the fact that it actually seems to be a viable way to handle the situation. Ugh.

It’s a full-fledged spectacle as the Jeguk family arrives at a restaurant like it’s a red-carpet event. The family dinner is mostly for a convenient photo op, but it’s also when Chairman Dad drops the bomb that the next stockholders meeting will be about Won’s dismissal as president. Gasp.

Won is blindsided, stunned that the directors he personally put in place would then vote him out, but Dad decrees that their loyalty is to him above all else. This is what Won gets for acting behind Dad’s back, and for treating the company as his own when he had always been warned that it wasn’t yet. He will give that seat to whichever son performs better, which is almost comical for the suggestion that a last-place high school junior could possibly outperform an experienced corporate exec. Whatevs, Dad, you never make any sense to me anyway.

Tan gets up to leave shortly after the parents do, and Won orders him to sit. Tan makes the jab that Won only wants something to do with him now that he has something he wants, and tells hyung to spend his energies running around to save his neck. Then he can deal with Tan, since Tan always figured last anyway.

Won calls Manager Yoon to ask if he’d been planning to backstab him all this while. Manager Yoon, to his surprise, urges him to beat his father and keep his position—and if he does, then he’ll take that VP seat. Aw, did Manager Yoon finally pick a side?

Myung-soo’s workshop is empty by the time Tan gets there, and when he calls Eun-sang it’s Young-do who answers. He asks where they are, and Young-do quips, “In your heart.”

They’re at a snack shop, where he guesses the situation with Tan’s father and advises Eun-sang to memorize his phone number, and also Tan’s, so she can call them for help if she needs to. That’s sweet, and a handy tip to boot.

He sends her home in his car and remains behind, sitting at his sad little table, which is where Tan finds him. You know, I can’t say I follow why these boys are suddenly over their previous violent hatred, but in this case I’ll have to gloss over the personality transplants (as the show did) because I much prefer them being glib and friendly.

Tan thanks Young-do for helping with his escape the other day, and Young-do does this hilarious fidgety thing. Then Tan orders him to leave with him, rather than staying behind alone.

Tan comes home to find Mom sitting on the floor drunk with an enraged Dad ordering her to her room. He actually sneers, “This is why I can’t let you out of the house,” which just tells you so much about him. Mom says in a hurt tone that she didn’t make a baby on her own, you know, and Tan yells at Dad not to berate his mother. He even dares to tell him to stop being such a coward, referring to the way Dad has hidden his messy personal life from the public with such dedication.

Dad bristles at being threatened by his son, but Tan warns him not to test his threat, because he’s finding that he’s capable of doing quite a lot—Dad had best not press his luck to see what he’s willing to do.

Won goes to Hyun-joo’s home and pleads with her to escape to America for three years, after which point he’ll come for her. Sigh, sometimes I think Won is his own obstacle in the romance department, because he seems to act in all the wrong ways with her. He clings to the belief that they can still be together once he figures out how, but she’s long accepted that they can’t be.

She softens once she realizes something new is happening to make him so distraught, and Won pleads with her to go because he doesn’t want her to see him hitting bottom. He begs her to not read stories about him either, and she promises that (though not to leaving for the States).

That night, Tan texts Eun-sang to meet him with passport in hand, then proceeds to take it from her, fearing that she’ll leave without letting him know. He pulls them into the storeroom again, entreating her not to go anywhere and then swooping in for a kiss. (A much better kiss than the last one, thankfully. And not just because this time it’s about feelings instead of one-upping a rival.)

The Rachel-Hyo-shin kiss makes them the source of gossip at school, and she asks him to avoid her when they find themselves in the same hallway, because she’s uncomfortable. He teases that she never cares about people gossiping about her, and she snaps that their gossip isn’t why she’s making the request. He wonders for one blank second until the realization hits, and then he awkwardly agrees to leave. Oh does she like him now? Okay.

Won gets busy meeting with stockholders in preparation for the upcoming vote, and makes a few important deals. Rachel’s mother declares herself on his side because that’s the side that opposes the chairman, while Young-do’s father agrees once he secures a hotel contract in the process. Madam Jung asks what’s in it for her, the answer to which we don’t hear.

Last is Tan, and Won states that the brothers will have to stand together against their father. Tan corrects hyung, saying that this should be a request rather than an order, but agrees to side with him anyway in exchange for a few necessities: an apartment and car, for instance, to keep his girlfriend out of Dad’s immediate reach.

Won is a little incredulous that Tan would do this huge thing of siding with him, all for “just some girl.” Tan states without hesitation that he’d do everything for that girl, and instructs his brother not to call her just some girl, “because now she’s my everything.”

Young-do loiters outside Tan’s house for a while, but gives up when it’s clear Eun-sang isn’t coming home. He drops by the convenience store next, where he finds her sitting alone and gives her his coat. Only now does he tell her of the first time he saw her here and how he’d stood up to those noisy little kids for her benefit, and it makes her comment, “It would have been nice if I knew sooner that you were both a bad guy and a good guy.”

He says that it’s not too late to make that realization, but his hopeful smile fades painfully when she declines and urges him to treat the next girl well instead. Don’t trip her to hold her hand, she advises, or blackmail her into eating noodles together.

She gets up to leave, and Young-do grabs her arm, suddenly serious. He asks her not to go, and although she says she’s got plans to meet Tan, he suspects that she’s going to let him go.

Won prepares the new apartment and car and reminds Tan multiple times not to miss the stockholders meeting today, and how he should vote. Tan notes that even now Won doesn’t trust him, not even sad anymore. Just resigned, maybe.

Won warns that Dad will be able to track down Eun-sang in a heartbeat even with the new address, which Tan knows. Still, that’s not his point: “I’m just showing him. That for the past eighteen years I’ve loved him and you greatly, that now the love is over, that the only thing I have left is her. So it doesn’t matter to me who I am, what the circumstances of my birth were, or how old I am. Because I’m going to use everything I have to protect her. It’s a warning to not dare lay a finger on her.”

Won hears this speech with something akin to disbelief and surprise, and maybe some realization. Are you learning, hyung?

Eun-sang window-shops as she waits for Tan, thinking back to her meeting with Dad and his accusations that she’s ruining Tan. Uh-oh. I don’t like the placement of this flashback, in this context. Please don’t do anything noble now.

Tan greets her with a back-hug, which Young-do watches with sadness from his stalker seat in a nearby car. Eun-sang’s the one who buys their matching pair of pink couple sneakers, and I’m going to go out on a limb and say that Tan wearing those is proof enough that he loves her. Also, I’m doubly nervous that she’s gifting him shoes, per the old Korean adage that one shouldn’t buy a lover shoes because they’ll use them to run away from you.

Tan takes Eun-sang to see her new apartment, apologizing for doing things one-sidedly and promising that he’ll improve. While I never expected Eun-sang to react with joy to such a move, her dismay is making me super uneasy. As is her ready agreement, as she tells him she can move tomorrow and urges him to make it to his meeting.

She sends him off first, and he says it feels like they’re a married couple. So she gives him a goodbye peck in response, which makes his day. She promises to wait for him at home, but the moment he closes the door she bursts into sobs. Agh. Stupid study abroad cliché, why are you back?

Won’s dismissal is put to a vote. Dad smiles through the proceedings, but the reason turns out to be the opposite of our expectation—it isn’t because he’s assured that Won will be fired. Not only does the vote get shot down, it gets shot down with a whopping ninety-five percent opposition. That means Dad must have also voted not to oust Won, despite bringing this whole thing up in the first place.

Won staggers out with shoulders drooping in defeat despite having won his seat, because he was basically outmaneuvered by a father who was teaching him a lesson. Tan asks what his father meant by putting on this show, and Dad replies, “I was giving him a fleeting moment’s humiliation—and you, too.” He finishes with the kicker: Eun-sang left Korea an hour ago.

At home, Madam Han reads Mom’s farewell letter in tears. Tan races home and finds Eun-sang’s room empty, then races around town looking for her. Instead he finds signs of her departure, from the cafe job she quit to the school locker that’s empty.

As he stands in his empty new apartment, he replays Dad’s words: “Never forget today. The price you pay for swinging that sword was losing that girl.”

 
COMMENTS

I’m glad the brothers stepped it up and set the ball rolling as they both took formal stances against their father, even if they ultimately were outwitted. Given the extreme parallels between Won and Tan’s romantic tribulations, it’s interesting to watch how each brother reacts differently—both are committed to the idea of being with their girlfriends despite the odds stacked against them, but their tactics diverge in meaningful ways. (This makes me wish even more that we’d gotten to this point earlier, not in the final stretch, because the first three-quarters of the show is stuff that’s played out according to every cliché in the K-drama playbook. Would’ve been much nicer if we had some time to play out the comparison.)

I can concede that Won’s tactic has a few things going for it; by keeping his connection to Hyun-joo on the downlow, and in trying to send her away to come back for her later, he gets to at least keep seeing her. The downside is that nothing about their relationship has been satisfying (for them, I mean) in the many years it’s been going on, because it’s not a full-fledged relationship in any sense—it’s being strung along without a lot of payoff, without a clear sense of future happiness or even present bliss. But it’s what he has chosen in order to keep even that small connection alive.

Tan has the same inclinations at first, and there was a real chance he would follow Won’s sad footsteps. But when push comes to shove he’s gone the other way, pushing back against his father and fighting in the here and now. He knows that tucking Eun-sang away isn’t going to be a viable strategy for the long term, but he’s not hiding her away as the end goal—it’s symbolic more than anything.

The problem is that Dad is just crazy at this point, taking up the role of blanket villain. I get that the stockholders’ vote was supposed to be a demonstration of his craftiness, but mostly I’m just confused. What was even the point of that show, if the end result was the same? We knew at the end of last episode that Eun-sang took the deal and played noble idiot to go away, and in this episode, she took the deal and played noble idiot to get away. Dad gloats that Tan lost the girl because he wielded his sword… but to be honest, he lost her to Dad’s machinations before he even picked up the sword (i.e., joined in the stock/voting game), so isn’t that a moot point? The drama played the revelation of her departure for a moment of shock, only, were any of us shocked?

It’s just such a bummer when your hero and everyone he loves is basically impotent, and there’s no fun watching Dad lord it over everyone all the time. I can see the chairman’s point (however dickish) about pulling the vote stunt to humiliate both his sons, because it warns them not to even think of beating Dad, because he’ll always win. It’s what abusers do to keep their victim-partners in line, so scared that they don’t dare mutiny in the future. He’s a tyrant at home and at business, so it fits his profile. It’s just that I feel like we got shafted of a real conflict—of the brothers banding together and fighting smart—and the buildup and tension were sapped away in one instant, like soap bubbles popping in the air. I feel deflated, just like Won.

One of my long-held beliefs/pet peeves about dramas is that if the vast majority of everybody’s angst can be solved by one person changing his/her mind, then you have a bad conflict. The entire premise starts to crumble because not only do you have some egomaniacal patriarch pulling puppet strings and making everyone cry, this also means that we aren’t going to get a satisfactory resolution either—because all he has to do is change his mind. Wah wah. How deflating. How weak.

Well, I guess he could die. I wouldn’t cry about that.

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Another interesting ep., and I will start with my questions:

1—Has anyone watched Heirs live, on the SBS online station? I am asking because I did this morning, and I was a little surprised (and found interesting) to see that there was an SBS-CNBC logo on the right side of my screen. Does anyone know if SBS is linked with CNBC in Korea? (I am asking out of curiosity).

2—I know this drama is not taking place in real life, the way we know it. So a lot of things are different in that world. Still, could KT just take ES out of class, simply because he wanted to? Because of him, she missed one or two classes (or more?) So she goes back to school as if nothing happened, and the teachers just let her get back into class/school?

3—This was an interesting way of saying things, I thought: KT to ES: “ Don’t get hurt where I am not.” At first, I thought KT meant “don’t get hurt by things that don’t hurt me (emotionally), (kind of like saying, “don’t worry about things I don’t worry about”). But then when I rewatched the ep., I felt that KT was saying something different, like “do not allow yourself to be hurt (by people) when I am not around.” Would that be the correct way to understand it?

4—Another KT expression that I am having trouble with, ”dad is the one, who made the roof of the house, mom’s sky.” Meaning, dad gave mom a roof (so dad should take of mom)”, or “dad is the one who limited mom (in mom’s sky, dad decided where the roof would be)? It is interesting to me how I can understand or perceive some expressions in one way.

5—Do you guys think that was a real picture of KMH when he was little (the one ES gave to BN)? So cute…

6—What is “Yellow Journalism?”

7—I find it interesting (in somewhat of a puzzling way), the many ways in which KT can defy his dad, considering he is still a minor (he is not 18 yet). I guess without that, we would not have a drama (we need some drama in the drama)

8—When YD guessed what had happened to ES, and ES told YD that he was a ghost, was it because the belief is that “ghosts” see everything/know everything?

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Okay, I'm going to jump in here because this is a problem that is not resolving.

Commenters, please do not jump on commenters like Ivoire for asking honest questions. Scroll down if you don't care to read.

Ivoire, asking questions is fine. If I may suggest something to help both you and those who are frustrated with your questions: Please consult Google for the simple or fact-based questions (like what is yellow journalism). Questions about the drama or Korean culture are welcome always.

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2- From what I've heard, schools in Korea are actually pretty strict and you can't miss a day of class (I heard even some colleges are like that).

5- I think it was an actual pic of him when he was little.

6- Ooooh, I remember that from my journalism classes :p it's basically news that has little to no real facts and is more about news that will catch people's eyes. So news that is out of the ordinary, gossip-y, etc.

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SBS has many local station and it is linked to CNBC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul_Broadcasting_System

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Oh thanks Haru!

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Hello Nina, and thank you!

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Are you studying this show for a course or something?

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haha. i've asked that a lot of times too. some dramas need not be overanalyzed and nitpicked. and google's our friend.

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It can be annoying, especially when a list of questions is the first thing one sees. I'd understand more if this was for some sort of course.

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Ditto!

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i think ppl shud just relax and watch the drama, cuz either way its just a type of entertainment. just chillax and enjoy it, i dont think we need to analyze it like some type of research paper, lol.

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So? some people are different. Some people like to turn their brain off and not question anything. Others have questions because things don't make sense to them. It doesn't hurt to think things through when you're watching something because, some things just simply don't make sense. No point in pretending like everything is fine. Especially in this drama, where too much is happening.

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Analyzing this drama would just give one a headache. I concede that the episodes have gotten better, but compared to the stellar shows of 2013, this drama SUCKS. I was wavering before about whether the drama is bad enough to be good, but the noble idiocy nonsense from ES and KT's crying at the end of episode 16, pushed into the just plain bad category.

The writer has managed to write one of the weakest Korean drama, heck Asian drama heroine in the longest time I can remember. She is not even a housewife yet, yet she is being commanded and pushed around by teenage boys. Come here, go here, stay here, grab hand, I will get you - sounds like beckoning a dog or some type of pet right?

The triangle with YD, has no feeling, because who she will end up with has been telegraphed from the first episode, so what's the point. Everyone is a caricature, a copy from other Korean dramas, all put together into this MegaChaebol drama.

So cliched, so over done, over wrought, pointless and filled with weepy, spineless women.

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so why you still watch this drama.??

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@mine: nice Jab... ^u^//

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I know right, I felt so sorry for the actors ( I love them so much), but I gave up of this drama a long time ago... but sometimes i still come back here to see if it's get better, but no lol

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Lol,what I thought exactly Immediately I saw the list of questions I knew it was 'ivore' I wonder why she takes the drama so seriously

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Good to see the season of joy among mankind is alive and well in this thread.

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Thank you, Faye!
I second your sentiments. Isn't there more than one way to experience a drama? Who is to say what ways are "right", and what ways are "wrong?" (No need to answer that, by the way).

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The thing I look forward to here are the recaps and your questions.

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Hello anniejang,

And thank you for your comment. I never knew that my questions were one of the things you looked forward to, when coming to DB to read the recaps of Heirs. That's encouraging to know, that other beanies are actually interested in my questions and comments. As another beanie said, "I often ask questions that s/he wished s/he would have asked, or was thinking about." So all in all, my asking those questions actually does serve a purpose, and that is good. :-)

What I really love are the responses we get, because to be honest, those responses (besides satisfying my curiosity) also give me a different perspective. I always look forward to those (the different perspectives, that is).

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Your way is just annoying. Especially when you're the 1st comment.
Google is your friend, a lot of questions you pose could be found by simply looking for the answers instead of waiting for someone to reply and given them to you.

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hahaha nicely put. I find that when I read the ivoire's questions I often think, OH I want to know that, too! If I weren't interested in analyzing a drama at least a little, why would I even be reading a recap and comments in the first place?

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Hello bbstl,

And thank you for your response. I really loved what you said, and how you said it. I also agree with you, that most of us who come here do come because we are interested in some kind of analysis of the drama and of its episodes. Otherwise, as you rightly put it, "why read a recap" (which by the way is always followed by an analysis written by the recapper), and why read the comments as well?

You know, the other option people have, is to just scroll down, when they see my screen-name, when they come to this site. Since they can anticipate that they will not (or might not) like what I write, why bother to read it, or even look at it? Scrolling down the page does not take that long, and rest assured, it will not hurt your finger either.

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What's wrong with analyzing dramas? Some people choose not to watch mindlessly. Ever thought of that?

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Hello Nafiza,

And thank You! I simply do not know how to park my brain at the door, when I watch TV or a show. I tend to be curious about so many things. Imagine how much more curious and inquisitive I become, when watching a Kdrama, in a language different from the ones I speak and understand.
Yes, I do ask a lot of questions, however I and some of the beanies have learned so much in the process, I do not regret having done it that way. I love it when some of the beanies can offer answers, suggestions or, as one said "come and play." And I always appreciate their contribution and their time.

I just visited your blog, and find interesting that you are very interested in Children's Literature, because my sister is as well. She writes and illustrates Children's books, and she focuses on diversity issues. Such a small world (at times), isn't it? :-)
I hope my questions have helped deepen your understanding of the drama :-). Also, I connected this week with a Kdrama fan who lives in your city. A small world, I tell ya :-)...

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I think Ivoire's questions are very interesting! I've got almost the same questions as she / I don't watch this drama mindlessly. I think this drama puzzles me a lot and many scenes are worth analysing them!! this culture is entirely different from my own so it's perfectly understandable that you start questioning some scenes. what's wrong with that?!
I watch these Korean dramas for their cultural aspects, mostly. Like Ivoire, I'm curious about many things that are related to Korean society, Korean culture and lifestyle. Here, the chaebol family is the issue at the core of this drama.
Anyway, those two last episodes were intense but so fantastic! It's a pity we didn't see any of those scenes for exemple those with the two brothers, in the first episodes!!! I admire Kim Tan for his determination, his struggle! but like in chessmate game, his adversary has one move ahead!!! I feel sick at heart for him and for my dear Kim Won!!! love Young-Do in those episodes!!! he's a darling!!! Any reaction to the "kiss"?

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Hello Marie21,

Thank you for your response :-)! I have said it earlier, however I will say it again. I am glad to see that a few beanies (or maybe based on the number of comments for this drama), do not watch this drama mindlessly. Many commenters here are not Asians or Koreans, and given the opportunity, there are answers to questions we all have we would like to get. I just happen to ask those questions, but anyone could be asking them.

This other thing that I do not understand is that in my three years of participating on this blog, I have NEVER told anyone how they should participate on the blog, or how they should watch or engage when they are watching a Korean programming. I believe it is their freedom to decide how "mindlessly" or how "engaged" they will be, when watching a programming, whether it be a drama, a variety show, etc...

So, since I don't criticize people on how they engage or choose not to engage when watching entertainment AND commenting here, why am I being told how to watch mine or what to write about? Shouldn't this be a two way street?

I really loved all that you said in your 1st paragraph, and in the first 1/2 of your second paragraph. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!

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2. I am not entirely sure of how things are in Korea but I think just like the way things are for my school, it works there too. I'm sure my school isn't as strict as Korean schools but the thing is its not a normal circumstance. It is simply because everything Kim Tan does is an exception. He's untouchable and so are all the people he's linked with. He may be illegitimate but put that aside, he's the son of the owner of the school, his legal mum is the principal and heck he's even a major shareholder of Jeguk so he basically sort of owns the damn school; so this is why teachers tend to just shut up towards wtv he does since if they mess with him their positions are sure in danger.

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You know diba, your explanations actually make sense. I had not thought of it that way. Now I am glad I actually asked the question. Thank you!

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I honestly fail to see why people find your questions so unpalatable, Ivoire. Why would it bother anyone if someone wishes to get to the bottom of some issues, one way or another, reflected in a drama?

Actually, I also have a few questions in regards to what's being displayed because even though I do live in Asia, I am not Korean and was brought up outside Asia. So I keep wondering how much truth we actually get to see in those dramas. Certainly, every drama (not just Korean) will have exaggeration and moments that would seem illogical at times, but I tend to believe that they, nevertheless, do convey some of the major points about the culture and the routine of the place it is set in.

For instance, I wonder if the lives of the rich clans in Korea are really THAT bound by certain rules and routines that cannot be changed or disobeyed? I know that Korea is still quite a conservative society despite all the economic progress and I'm guessing this conservatism persists to an even greater degree in rich families? Or...am I mistaken perhaps?

Anyway, whenever I think about this kind of lifestyle (wealthy clans, corporation owners), I'm glad I'm not part of that world. I'd never be able to fit in, never. That is why I can understand Kim Tan so perfectly well (he seems to be one of the most rebellious types for this kind of family) :-) That is why everyone around him is so shocked by his behaviour....

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4. I thought this was a really good metaphor. I think he's saying that his eeeeeeevil crotchedy father made the house his mother's prison. Basically if the sky's the limit then she'll only go as high as their ceiling because her place is only inside their house. Because dbag dad is a dbag. Yup. But thank god for Tan speaking up against him. See here's where they can use the car accident trope. Let the dad die via truck or something IHYV style.

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Thank you, Mireuredhair!

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Agreed totally! I, too, thought it was a great metaphor that he used. For his mum that house has been not much more than a prison, and for many years at that! She's been living in a golden cage and basically treated like shit. I admire Kim Tan greatly for speaking up against his dad.

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Yellow Journalism was a term which originated during the nineteen century between two rivals in the newspaper publishing, Joseph Pulitzer of the New York World and William Randolph Hearst of the New York Journal. They drove up their newspaper circulation with sensationalism and exaggeration of the truth. Unfortunately, during that period, people believed totally what was printed in the newspaper.

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And they still do....even though all media is owned by a few corporations.

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#6- Yellow journalism is dishonest and corrupt, it is about whipping up one sided and uninformed hysteria and driving up newspaper sales. The words " yellow journalism" were used to describe the pro-war slant of American newspapers before the Spanish American war. I find it interesting that a Korean kid would use the term and I wonder if it has the same meaning in Korean history or if they really do a thorough job of teaching American history and viewpoints to Korean high school kids.

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It might not be American history per se but rather journalistic history.

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Yes, I think it's more based on familiarity with journalistic history.

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I believe MS was the one who made the comment about the reporter's attitude being "yellow journalism." The thing is, MS takes a lot of pictures (he is a photographer), and he probably participates in the school newspaper, or something like that. Following that logic, it would make sense that MS would know about "yellow journalism." Now, I am not surprised about MS making that comment.

This little conversation makes me glad I did not go to Google. If I had, we might not have had the exchange we had, and the different perspectives, which made me think some more. Those are personally what I look forward to, when I come here.

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@Suzy Q, Maude, Laura and jaglaine, thank you your responses.

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I meant to say, "thank you for your responses (and the additional comments/thoughts)."

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@Ivoire - Just wanted to say thank you for posting your questions. They really make me think more about what I've seen. For those of us who like to analyze and think about what we've seen, it's very helpful. So thanks!

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@ Faye,

You are very welcome! I am glad to know that the time and effort that I take to notice and write those questions, and post them here, benefit some of the Beanies who, as you put it aptly, " like to analyze and think about what we’ve seen." you just made my day Faye, especially considering some of the flack I seem to take for being inquisitive and actually daring to ask those questions that some of us might have.
It is always fun (and rewarding) to see that a few kind souls actually help us in our understanding of the episodes, and of the the drama as whole, be it linguistically, culturally or otherwise.

And to show you how much I appreciated your comment, I actually realized I came up with some more questions, as I rewatched the episode. So here we go:

9—I know we are in the realm of the drama, however I kind of wondered, ”could KT take her passport like that? Really?” He is still a minor himself. Could he just take someone else’s passport, and not give it back if the person asks for it? Aren’t there consequences/penalties for such things?

10—I am not really sure ES went abroad, since KT had her passport. Unless Chairman daddy foresaw that as well, and had another passport ready for her already. I am thinking that the writer could be trolling us, (or could that be a fake out?)

11—Like JB, I was not sure about what Chairman daddy did. He sure wasted a lot of people’s time, making them come to a fake vote. Goes to show how powerful he is really, to be able to pull that stunt off.

12—ES said something at the beginning of the episode that I found was interesting. After finding out that their debts had been paid, she said to herself, “in the blink of an eye, he made the girl who had money go broke again.” Was it like saying, “in the blink of an eye, he made the girl who was free become indebted to him?” That was all I could come up with, since that would apply to her situation. But then again, she said, “go broke again,” which implies that she was broke originally, then rich, then broke again. Hum…

13—Young Do is funny. When he ordered the milk, he told ES, “this is not my doing,” yet he was the one doing it (getting revenge). Did he then mean, “I didn’t start this…” Again, that was all I could think of.

14—CY had an interesting expression for ES, when she was hugging him, and later hugging BN. He said, “is today the day your hair gets pulled?” meaning… Is today her last day at that school, maybe?

15—KT said to his dad, “(his mom’s) sky is the ceiling of this house.” Does that mean that is as far as Madam Han can go? That she is limited in many ways? Or maybe it means it means that Madam Han cannot look at the sky, because she has to be in the house all the time. That might be it (maybe).

16—I am curious about the expression Chairman daddy used, “Eun Sang e marida (sp?)” What does that mean?

17—I know this is a drama, so our minds need to operate within the frame (and world) of the drama. That being said, I was just curious, can a son (or daughter) talk back to her/his parents the way KT does to his dad, in Korean society?

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16. Literally it means "The talk about Eun Sang." Or how we'd say.."About Eun Sang...yeah, she's gone (last three words are mine.)

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Oh thank you, Nafiza. I just left you a response below your post higher :-)

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Hi Ivoire! Nice to see you again.
#3. Yes, the second way of ur interpretation is correct, I think. When I am not near u, pls don't be hurt.

#17. I don't know much about korea, other than the things shown in kDramas but it depends on child and parents, really. If u see Chan Young and Yoon as a father and son, aren't they totally different than our main villain father n hero son or for that matter, Young Do and his judo-father? Yes, everywhere it's wrong, mostly, to talk back to your elders. But then, it's upto you to take that courage to point out your elder's mistakes.

#14. It's simply meant that are you out of your mind finally? Like, after all the troubles you went through, did you really go crazy today? I think, this is what he meant.

#13. He meant: when ES looked at him for saying, this is why she should have not gone out with KT, he understood that she'll ask whether he did this, bcz she went out with KT(as a revenge)? And said, "I understand what u r gonna say, but I didn't do this(milk-thrown in the locker) and orders for some milk NOW to get his revenge! On everyone else!!

#12. She said, in the blink of an eye, he made a girl own him money! Or to be more deeper, like indebted to him by accepting his money...(just like in the case of Hyun Joo).

#11. As far as I understood, he did that bcz just to show his both sons that he's still the BOSS!...that's it..

#10. I also don't think ES went abroad. She had her ticket being torn away by KT and the passport is with him, too. (And by the way, KT just took the passport from her just like a guardian would do..nothing else. Also, I guess he's already 18,in korean age). YD will find ES probably bcz he understood she was not herself from the moment he saw her crying and KT telling him to take care of her. Also, his advice to memorize the numbers of him and KT, his premonition(u could say) that she's not looking like she's gonna meet someone but going to lose someone @ the convienient store, his following her when she was window shopping, and not even flinching when KT back-hugged her and both were acting cutely with each other - ALL of this mean, that he knows that something is up and he'll probably help our KT to get back with our Cindrella...

I guess the answers satisfy at least some of ur question-thirst..heehee..:-)

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Sorry one answer correction:

#14. He meant "Am I going to see your hair pulled by Bo Na today? Finally?"

While rewatching, I understood this... hehe

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12— The version I watched said "In a blink of an eye, he has made me the girl who takes the money." As in, he effectively pulled that drama cliche of paying the girl off to disappear with an envelope of money.

15- Tan is referring to the fact that she can't really leave the house. So, when she looks up she sees the ceiling instead of the real sky.

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@Ivoire,

I'm sorry people called you out by name - it was obnoxious. And kind of counter-intuitive, because if you're not interested in analyzing or discussing a drama, why are you participating in a comment section designed specifically for that purpose?

I went through some of what you were feeling a few discussion threads ago, and I'll tell you what I told myself: if someone has to attack you for no reason on a message board over something as innocuous as your comments on a TV series, clearly the problem is with them, not you. Such people must be really miserable with their own lives. It doesn't excuse their behavior, but it helps those of us who are just in it for a nice, thought-provoking discussion to ignore the junior high shenanigans.

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I agree... not only do you want to chill while watching... sometimes you might want to check in on the discrepancies and learn from their culture as well... watch and learn and enjoy it too....

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well because kt and es have a relationship, es knows that kt will do everything.. you see he said that bring your passport or else i will go inside her room and find it for himself..

es said to her mom , he makes a beggar girl accepted that money.. w/o saying anything to es, he just paid their debt as if saying that es accept also the money just to go and leave kt..

i would suggest that you watch also the other link with eng. sub, because they have a diff. translation / understanding...

cy ask it to es.. in korea they some celeb for their 100 days.. u know.. it is that today is the day that her haitpr was pulled out by somebody something like that..

the mom of kt can't go out with his dad and kt.. he mean that she was just stuck in their house, she can't see the sky and their ceiling in the house is her only sky.. cause no one knows about her..

try this.. http://www.gooddrama.net .. http://www.koreandrama.. and so on.. try to search it..

it is quite interesting about your questions, it seems you don't understand this drama.. i mean, if you are watching this drama, you have to put yourself on their shoes, af is you are kt or es or anyone their..how would you feelhow would you react if you are in their situations..

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14- hair pulling.... remember the time they were in Universal City walk where they took a picture together and posted it in CY's SNS?? well she did mention that because of the picture BN will pull her hair... meaning BN will be angry enough to want to pull her hair out because she is with CY in US too.... so since she is hugging CY... it might make BN angry enough to want to pull her hair... as in cat fight!!

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15... means Daddy chairman limited the world of Madam Han to their house...

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9-- when you are young, what do you know about your legal right with regards to your passports??? huh???

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@ Faye,
Please feel free to join in (as you know) and let me know how you understood some of the phrases and expressions used. Did you experience the fact that you thought one expression meant one thing, and it actually turned out to be different than what you thought?

Also, you left me a comment (about Thanksgiving) in the comments' section of ep. 15, and I have a question about that, so I am going to go ask that question now. Please check under your comment in ep. 15 recap. Thanks!

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Hi Ivoire,

Regarding understanding expression used -when I first started watching K-dramas, I misunderstood a lot, and I didn't even realize that I was doing that! After doing some research and consulting my good Korean friend, I think I understand a lot more now.

Where are you watching the show? Just curious because I think I've seen some things translated differently than you - that could be causing the confusion.

I don't remember the other phrases you mentioned (it's been a busy few days, LOL), but I do recall the line Kim Tan said about the house's ceiling being his mother's sky, because it was so evocative. I think he's saying that because Chairman McEvil restricts her from so many activities, she is literally in the house a lot, so when she looks up she sees the ceiling. And by making her his dirty little secret, she can't dream or be really free - the house represents the limits of her figurative world as well.

I will go back and check episode #15's thread.

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3 - your second interpretation is correct. his words in Korean literally mean "don't get hurt in places that I'm not in," ie, don't get hurt by people when I'm not around.

7 - he is 18, actually (in Korean age). his birthday hasn't passed yet, but he's already 18.. I thought I'd mention that because I think I've seen you (or maybe it was someone else, idk) refer to the idea that Tan is 16/17 in international age. To be clear, he us 18 in Korean age, 17 in international age. But in any case, he's still a minor, since the age of majority in South Korea is 19.

8 - yes.

14 - in one of the California episodes, Chan-young takes a picture of himself with Eun-sang and puts it online. Bo-na immediately calls him, and Eun-sang says something along the lines of "are you crazy? do you want to see Lee Bo-na pull my hair out?" (because Bo-na wood presumably be jealous/upset about the picture). this was a reference to that joke.

17 - Korea is not an idyllic society. Just because something like respect towards ones parents and elders is highly valued does not mean that people are never disrespectful.

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8. I would guess that it might be something like he is able to observe without being seen, since ghosts supposedly can be invisible etc.

P.S. I think questions are good. This whole blog is about going deeper into K-dramas. With comment, we can express how much we like a show, but we can also explore more, even if it's random trivia.

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There are two kinds of commenters on dramaland forums-those who are interested in the drama, and those who are fangirls (the SQUEE squads). Go over to goodrama.com and you will see their Heirs forum is dominated by 5 Kim Woo Bin fans-hundreds of pages of thousands of comments of YD worship and lust, by just the same 5 people!!! It's truly TRULY bizarre! Worse that that-it's boring beyond belief. Now I see some of them are over here trying to do the same thing to this forum-turn it into a YD fan page. they think if they do this enough, the writer will change the story lead to Young Do. Ivoire!---you must keep going, and not let them do it!
The rest of us will help, at least I will.

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@anniejang - Hi there! I am one of the YD fans you mentioned. I can assure you that I am not trying to turn this forum into anything. I wanted to comment, and I am doing that. I comment mainly about YD because that's the character I am interested in. We may analyze every single scene of YD but that's our freedom to do that. If you don't like our comments, please don't read it :) :) And yes, I am a WB fan, became one after watching YD :)

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I appreciate your questions for the show. Because when I look back at the show and think about what you said, everything makes a little bit more sense and makes me feel for the show a little more. I have to admit I get a little bit confused when I watch it and I can't simply "turn my brain off", I find myself pausing, rewinding and asking myself questions as well. I can't just ignore those things lol. Maybe the comments complaining about your questions just aren't as intellectually stimulated as you are. ^^

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2- In my school, I go if I want, I go to class if I want (even if I'm at school), I leave the class when I want and go back when I want. Just like that. Some teachers are really annoying and you have to raise your hand to leave class. But never interrupt the class to ask to leave. But they are very few. In college, you literally do whatever the hell you want, because their philosophy is: "I don't f*cking care, it's your problem, your life".
Ps: I got to a private school (something like U$10k/year)

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Yes. Happy thanksgiving! First to comment?

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That KISS!!! DAEBAK!!!!

And can I just say? I hate Eun Chang!! WTF!!!!???

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For the life of me can someone explain this kiss? Why does ES look so tense and uncomfortable? Trying to soften it by her putting her arms around him does'nt work for me. I only say that because the only time her emotions seem geniune is when he hugs her. Is it just how she comes across on screen or is this her emotion as per script? By this late in the drama, you would THINK..ok, We love each other it's all out in the open!

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I read that PSH's parents did and interview and while her mother likes LMH, her Dad said he doesn't and he would not like to see her getting passionate on screen with LMH. Considering these are Korean parents, she must have been extremely intimidated by her Dad.

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LOL, if that is true, then it does seem to reflect a bit of what's happening on screen with KT's dad, eh? :D Oh, those Korean parents...I don't think I could handle them. Well, not unless they were like Chan-young's dad ;-)

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Ah, so evil Dad...

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Tan's cry at the end was so heartbreaking. The way he just clutches his heart as he cries, too. Blah.

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Nah. Second.

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Wooww that kiss was awesome

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reaally??? PSH looks like she's hurting from that kiss.

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omg. so true. i liked tan's part, he played it quite well (except for the initiation which was not smooth LOL) but she looked like she was constipated -____-

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maybe she's hurting coz she already know that they're gonna be apart.

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But if that was the case, wouldn't you kiss back more? or melt into the hug? Not try to scratch the guy like a cat .*O

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My sentiments exactly.
The execution looked so acted-out. (Because of the way they cut the scenes? Because Tan swooped in too quickly? I dunno anymore.)

Eun Sang's part... Do I blame it on PSH or the PD?

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https://www.asianfanfics.com/blog/view/734210

maximize view and look beyond the obstruction and you'll see that Shin Hye is not acting. She is responding too.

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so agree, why would you look that way when you are alone with the man you love? Despite all of what is going on...can't she just show him a little passion? Come on!!

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At first I thought he was going to rape her, and apparently so did she.

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I almost had a heart attach with his sudden lung at her, like a bird trying to catch a fish. She looked so scared that I thought "OHHH, now I get it. She doesn't really like LMH, she is just with him for the money". This solid explanation = constipated kiss with LMH.

A point aside, who the F scrunches their face like a pug when LMH is kissing him/her? *shakes head not understanding logic*

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Spot on Zfih! Couldn't agree with you more! I too feel that she really doesn't like LMH. haha

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It not that she doesn't like him it's that it's a Korean drama and in order for her to be the suitable heroine she has to act coy. If she shows any kind of emotion other than surprise and embarrassment then she's to easy and not innocent enough. It's just ridiculous. Do average Koreans even know how silly this obsession they have with sexual innocence looks to the outside world? It doesn't make their culture look morally superior it makes them appear completely clueless. Clueless to the fact that stalker men get to win the hearts of their childlike innocent victims. It's not just clueless it's actually kind of creepy.

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I agree I mean the way PSH kissed JGS in YAB was more heartfelt now it seems its just forced LOL psPSH if u need any help in learning how 2 kiss LMH I will totally help all I need is Lee Min Oh corporation 😘

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hey! WTF with you?!

I think PSH is good, why you always crtism her
Just go away!

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@ Bored2Tears2: you have a point for sure, especially considering the actual real life statistics in Korea, it is like the k-dramas are often living in a dream world. I think the most ridiculous example in Heirs was a couple of episodes ago, where LMH was taking off his jacket and ES panics and covers her eyes, even though he was fully clothed except for the coat.

I have never figured out exactly why so many dramas go to such extremes to show "innocence", to the point where even 32 year old girls faint at the sight of a bare arm.

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It's because Asian culture is very Conservative (right wing) and that faction of society is in control and they always pretend innocence and never realize that others see the pretense, hence-they live in bizarroland. this applies everywhere Conservatism is dominant, not just in Asia.

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@bored2tears2: you seem to be spot-on! All that innocence and playing coy actually gets quite annoying at some point...When you really feel that chemistry between the leads and you just LONG for them to at least get to kiss each other properly and when you do not get it, it is so frustrating! :-(

I remember watching "Winter Sonata" not so long ago - arguably the classic drama to have started Hallyu (the Korean Wave) - and I too thought that the leads looked great together, they always brought in that suspense into the whole drama...And when they didn't get to kiss properly even ONCE throughout the whole, at the end of it all I was like "WTF???" I felt cheated. I still like this drama, if only for the scenery and the atmosphere that is created by absolutely fabulous music, however, I so wished that the leads had got to some 'action'....in a good sense of this word.

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LOLOLOL. GOLD COMMENT.

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So true. Just see the screen shot that is posted here. See her face. She looks positively cringeworthy. In which universe that kiss was awesome? But I agree, LMH did a better job at it.

I wonder why is it that they can't show a romantic kiss romantically. Remember that kiss in the last scene in IHYV? There are some gentle kisses and then we feel the air tighten around them and then both kiss willingly. That is romance. How can this kiss be called swoonworthy?

Yuck is the feeling I had after that..

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I agree. PSH does not look experienced or like she's enjoying it. I mean, she doesn't have to enjoy it but she shouldn't look like she's holding her breath and counting the minutes for it to be over. Even Suzy was a better kisser.... I guess that just shows that someone has more experience in that department than others. =)

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I'm actually fairly concerned for Park Shin-Hye and how she tends to respond physically. It screams trauma to me.

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Hmm.. interesting thought. This is not the first series where she has been accused of being a bit edgy in kissing scenes. But that could well be just totally wrong speculation also. She was involved in a car crash a couple years ago, but only minor injuries, so that does not sound like what we are talking about here.

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Maybe she's just frigid. Or prefers girls.

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Or maybe she's just a nice, sexually inexperienced young woman who doesn't have the knowledge level necessary to service the prurient fantasies of the people who apparently watch this drama to get their sexual jollies.

I personally didn't think she looked bad in the kiss. She looked surprised, and then very emotional - which is understandable, since she knew she was getting ready to leave Tan. But she was clearly kissing him back.

What more do people want from her - tongue? Moaning? This is a drama rated for teens to watch, after all. If extensive, "realistic" physical contact is that important to people in a show, there's always porn.

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@ Faye: What bothers me is not that I am looking for soft porn here, I am looking for something a bit more realistic. You can walk through any public park in Korea in the summer where the young folks hang out and see more passion than I see here. And considering that PDA is still barely acceptable behavior in Korea, that is saying something.

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OK, yeah I admit "realistic k-drama" is an oxymoron.

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@Windsun33 - Maybe you've walked through different parks in Korean than I have. When I was there I saw hand-holding and maybe a light kiss on the cheek, but nothing like what we saw.

And again, this idea that PSH was so awful and the kiss was too is an opinion, not fact. There are plenty of us who saw it and thought it was perfectly fine.

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Bingo!!! I have the same thought...

To me it seems that either she's never been kissed in real life, therefore she doesn't know how to relate..

Or she's had a bad experience in real life( I hope not though; that will be terrible)...

She does the same consistently in all her kisses...and it's suspicious.

It surely can't be the PDs? They can't all be that bad at directing her on a kiss.

Or why not practice beforehand? It's Lee F*#*ing Minho for crying out loud.

You can see the poor guy trying to do his best to make it look passionate, but her demeanor just makes everything come out flat because she looks like someone who's being slaughtered while he appears to be forcing her.

Girl, you are making my boy look like creep! Lol!!!

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Somebody on another website said they saw an interview with PSH parents, and her Dad said he did not want to see her get passionate with LMH on screen-I bet it wasn't the first time, and she is probably very much intimidated by that. Again-I do not like Asian parents in general-(my in-laws are Asian, and they gave me an unbelievably hard time in the past.)

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@Faye: thumbs up for all you're saying! And agreed.
I, too, haven't seen anything like the passion that is supposed to be displayed in that kissing scene, in Korean parks. Perhaps I also went to all the wrong ones :D

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It would have been fine if in the korean drama world she was allowed to kiss him back. But this is Kdrama where the innocent childlike heroine gets kissed by the aggressive stalker hot guy. If she kissed him back she'd be a slut and not worth our hero's affections. It's sad but this drama is turning out to be a parody of every horrible Kdrama ever made.

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Yet, in Pretty Man, IU is a total perv lusting after the pretty dude, and it works, so it is a cliché that can be broken - just not sure why it is so common to go to such extreme innocence portrayal.

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Instead of cringing like she stepped on shit, this time she looks constipated? Bwahahaha! For PSH, that is an improvement. Oh dear, how does it feel to kiss a 'half-dead' fish this time LMH?

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She looks in pain because she is losing the love of her life... she is groping for him don't you see the way she arches towards him.. take it from me I got the kiss on a loop and I have been seeing it non stop since yesterday morning those are kissing there was tongue and swallowing of lips!!!!!! best kiss ever..... BEST KISS EVER do you see how she is groping him getting towards him if you take snapshots of every second you can see it she even opened her mouth totally AWESOME...........

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Can I just say that like many I also am not a fan of PSH's kissing scenes in dramas. Many of you have pointed out correctly about her having her her eyes wide open, frozen and turn in to stone. however, i randomly came upon the CF of PSH and JGS it was a lipstick commercial and I was quite surprised. So i don't know if this is a problem she has just in dramas or what but ya. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6slOdgJU8BY

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... Can I just say that I yawned when I saw that kiss?

I've shattered all my expectations for decent romance in Heirs.

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you must just watch poor porn for you not to feel that... I have been watching it nonstop since yesterday and if anybody says that they do not feel it they their mind is already way out there that kiss WAS PASSIONATE AND PURE ROMANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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what!!!!!!!passionate and pure romance?!! and watching it nonstop! LOL, are we watching the same show?!

sorry but you don't accuse someone cause she/he didn't like the kiss, that kiss was the worst I've seen since recently as the last dramas I've seen was Master's Sun, Secret, IHYV ...etc
you can see how is the kiss scenes there and then we can talk! and we are not saying we want porn here! we just want a decent kiss from PSH! she looks constipated in all her drama kissing scenes, I think YEH should teach her how to kiss LOL

I have seen many kiss scenes in kdramas to say that this one was just terrible, I was cringing through this! it wasn't smooth at all :| if you don't see that then that's your problem sorry!

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It was terrible.. Tan was ok but Eun Sang.

What's wrong with her..?

Tan has serious breath problem..? Chapped lip..?

Biting while kissing..?

She's not even a newbie anymore.. Sighh..i'm disappointed.

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PSH has the worst kiss scenes ever. She has had so many bad kissing scenes with the greatest of kissing gods like Lee Min Ho, Yoon Si-Yoon and Jang Geun Suk. If they can't save her, i don't know who can! :O

Maybe she hasn't experienced love. Hahahaha.

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i know right? To be honest like you mentioned Lee Min Ho, Yoon Shi Yoon & even Jang Geun Suk are good kissers since all their dramas kissing scenes are good but i don't know why even this actors can't save PSH from her kissing problem. I mean all her kiss scenes are the same, open her eyes wide, freezes and turn in to a wood, acting like she totally dislike the kiss, she hated it so much that she is counting every second till it was over.

I mean i am not also the best kisser myself or anything like that but atleast i'm not like her. Shouldn't you atleast kiss your boyfriend back when he kisses you. Given that he initiated the kiss (like Tan did) but you as girlfriend will just stand there? If you like the guy wouldn't you atleast kiss back especially for her since she is leaving him. I just don't get her. Does PSH kiss her boyfriend or past BFs like that too?

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Actually there was movement from PSH, despite scrunching up her face during the kiss, she did kiss him back this time. So I think she did improve a bit from her previous kissing scenes, I'm surprised no one noticed her actually responding to the kiss this time instead of just standing dead-still with her eyes wide open.

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Maybe she needs some veterans: Gong Yoo; Kang Ji Hwan or Ju Ji Hoon are some of the best kissers out there in kdramaland...or are they Ahjussis for her?

Then how about Yoochun? He's an amazing kisser or... oh boy...wait for this... Jung Kyung Ho?
His kiss with Nam Gyu Ri in Cruel City is easily the best kiss of the year or of my Kdrama kissing history...
Now, that was a passionate kiss!

Coming in 2nd place, YEH and Yoochun in " I Miss You"

Anyway PSH definitely needs help in that department..

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Not to excuse Park Shin Hye's horrible screen kissing skills (because they really are horrible), but the Korean news reported like a week or two ago that Lee Min Ho was battling a cold but working through it even though his mouth was covered in cold sores. I don't care how foxy LMH is, I would be making that face too if he was in that condition.

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https://www.asianfanfics.com/blog/view/734210

Check for yourself, she is responding too. She passionately kissed him too.

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REALLY???? for someone that has been watching this nonstop I CAN HONESTLY SAY PLEASE GO GET A NEW PAIR OF GLASSES.............. THAT KISS WAS TRULY HOOOOOOOOOOOOOtttttttttttt

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I agree because she did not answer as most people wanted to respond to a kiss from Lee Min Ho, but is quite large compared to their old kisses progress, I'm also sure that if PSH passionately kiss as many pretty boys she would be the most hated girl in Korea and all fans of the Hallyu wave, itself already has anti starring with them for only

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YEH does not shy away from kisses... I don't think she's hated for that...or Am I missing something?

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Yes... it was hotttttt but only at LMH's point...... He was passionate.... but PSH.........worst as usual........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Please give Park Shin Hye a break, you guys. The thing about kissing is that you need practice to make it perfect.

LMH probably had a lot of chance to practice. Who, when and how - I do not want to get into those details. But having understood the mechanics of kissing, he always delivers a good kiss. But for PSH most likely there was not much of an opportunity to do so. Perhaps she was too shy to ask her co-stars help her in this area because kissing is something you do with someone you are really into.

Just like doing math, learning to cook or playing the piano, practice makes perfect. All truth is parallel, so no different in kissing. You could watch all the videos on the internet on how to kiss and read all about it, but if you do not have someone to help you practice, it could be difficult especially if you are expected to perform on screen. If the actress blunders, she comes in the line of fire from the viewers. Blame the director because he approved the shot and please spare PSH.

I felt LMH was trying to do all the work and he was a little too fast for her. Maybe he should have given her some space. But I think this kiss was better than all the others she has done. But of course, there is room for improvement with practice for her and all other kdrama actresses. We are living in the 21st century for goodness sake, and women on screen should be allowed to enjoy being kissed and cut out that innocence crap!

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Oh yeah, that kiss was PSH's best one. LMH sure could kiss. I would rate that the same as his kiss with goddess SYJ in PT.

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Unfortunately one semi-dead fish kiss was not enough to save the episode from total mediocrity.

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Wow. I'm just making a comment about one kiss and you're being negative as usual.

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i find the kiss in FBND was the best of PSH.. and i agree with @windsun33 she looks like a fish dying in pain.. LOL

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A fish dying in pain? *snort*

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"No fish were harmed during the filming of this show".

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Fish in Dying Pain describes her acting throughout this series.

To be fair, I can totally understand not wanting LMH too close. He really looks unwashed.

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looks like someone ate some sort of nasty fish... put your negativity somewhere else nobody wants to read so much negativity and obviously you need to get a reboot to understand romance................

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wow.. who are you to say the LMH looks unwashed?? well, ifuoy are not satisfied of their kiss,why don't you put yourself on it and upload it for us to see that you are good than them..

all LMH's partner with his drama doesn't say bad about his kiss.. this one is different because bothe of them were just 18, LMH will kiss passionately, and PSH will act as if it is herr first time doing that kiss..

this drama is not yet finish, before you say anything about it let them finish the drama first..

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happy thanksgiving everyone!

i love the lead pair with woo bin so if i finish master's sun (this weekend!) i'll def. watch this. thanks for the recap hon, but reading this will take place as i watch the series... but i wanna ask, is this show worth the watch?

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Love Woo Bin too. But they can't be together. CYD is a second lead. I also love Master's Sun.

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yeah that's sad but i badly want to watch something WB is a lead in and hopefully gets to be loved equally. thanks for the response bigUNNIE though I doubt you'd be Unnie to me. :)

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If you have the patience to sit through 70-odd episodes of half an hour each, watch Vampire Idol!

Woo-bin totally gets loved equally there, and has lovely chemistry with his leading lady, Lee Yubi (who is an incredibly charming and talented actress).

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Absolutely not. Like javabeans says, it took EVERY cliche available in K-drama-land and used it. Im not a fan of LMH acting like a high schooler either, coz OBVIOUSLY he doesnt look it, whatever hairstyle he tries.
i'm only watching it coz i've started. Hence the need to finish it, just like a book. :-D

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lol at LMH not looking like a highschooler. I can't help but agree. too bad how the show went but what do we expect? with a drama full of idols, I really can't expect anything else. with full credit to the leads and WB and the first OST release by my dear Hongki , I will watch the show. I'm still hoping to like the entire show or at least tolerate the cliche-y way it took after all the show build-up and teasing during its promos.

I'm glad though that you're dedicated to finish it, "just like a book". :D

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It's not a drama full of idols. Most of the cast are actual actors. The only idols are Krystal and Minhyuk, and they're [surprisingly] the best part of the show, lol

I think it's worth watching. I actually wonder if it would be better to watch it all at once instead of waiting week to week for it.

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