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Liar Game: Episode 7

It’s a new week, which means a new round to entice our characters to sell their souls for sweet, sweet dollar bills. We even get an extra dash of intrigue and amusement when everyone’s favorite debt collector gets to participate in the actual game instead of being relegated to the sidelines, not to mention when our devilishly good-looking host becomes the hosted—orrr does he? Of course that means Da-jung takes a bit of a backseat this hour, though she does manage to impress the perpetually unimpressed Woo-jin, which I’m convinced is the rare white elk of achievements when it comes to our grumpypants hero.

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EPISODE 7: “President Game I”

Before we return to last week’s cliffhanger, we get a summation of how the prize money works within the game: If a contestant reaches the final round, the total amount of money that could be won equals ten million dollars.

In each round, the contestants are given cash that they must either return in full in the event of elimination, or in half in the event of forfeiture. As of now, Da-jung has won half a million dollars/five hundred million won in the 500 Million Game, two hundred fifty thousand dollars/two hundred fifty million won in the Minority Game, and three hundred thousand dollars/three hundred million won in the Layoff Game, which brings her grand total to one and a half million dollars, or one and a half billion won.

And an important note the show wants us to remember is that the funds assigned during any given round are made irrelevant once the round is over, meaning that any money used to play the game within a specific round is as good as Monopoly money even if it’s actually real money that can be spent if someone is desperate enough. Hence the whole premise of Liar Game.

After Woo-jin asks if Do-young knows him, Do-young cheekily replies that of course he does—Woo-jin’s famous now, after all.

But Woo-jin isn’t buying it as he growls that Do-young knew all about Da-jung’s father going into debt because he brought L Company down, and that Do-young used her as bait to draw him into the game.

Do-young just shakes his head and laughs that Woo-jin won’t get answers using tactics like this. “I told you, if you want to know the truth, you have to win the game.” And because he broke the rules, the game will become more challenging—as will the enemies Woo-jin will have to face.

That just means more fun for Do-young, which makes Woo-jin tighten his grip on him: “This is fun to you?” Do-young brushes him off smoothly before reminding him that the cameras are rolling. “Enjoy, my friend,” Do-young croons.

They return to the interview, and this time when Woo-jin’s asked why he’s helping Da-jung so much, he responds, “Because I need her. Nam Da-jung has power… the power to move people’s hearts.”

Do-young wonders if that means Woo-jin is using her, which he neither confirms or denies. But Da-jung watches from behind the cameras as Woo-jin says he’ll turn his back on her should they both reach the final round because he’s going to win…

…But, in a surprising turn, he claims he’ll give her all the prize money because he wants to see if the world she wants to believe in can truly come to pass. This is not the music Do-young wants to hear, since cooperation would be too boring for broadcast, and Woo-jin knows that he’ll throw everything at them to try and make them betray each other.

Which makes Woo-jin’s threateningly subtle declaration of war all the more meaningful when he says that Do-young might actually enjoy watching to see if the contestants can overcome the show’s challenges by proving they can stick together and trust each other. Because NOTHING would rattle Do-young more than that, and Woo-jin knows it. Mwa ha ha.

Da-jung stops Woo-jin on his way out to tell him that she thinks he’s a good person. Woo-jin grumbles some sort of negation to that, but Da-jung just smiles.

After luring the creditors collected outside Da-jung’s home away, Dal-goo is called to Woo-jin’s humble abode (and gets to make a funny little innuendo about Woo-jin coming onto him because he showered before his arrival) to discuss Woo-jin’s theory on how the contestants were chosen.

Since Dal-goo was the one to ask Woo-jin to help Da-jung, Woo-jin had suspected him for a while—but now he knows Dal-goo was innocent. It was all Do-young’s doing, which has Dal-goo freaking out that he was manipulated into enlisting Woo-jin without even knowing it. “Who the hell is Kang Do-young? What grudge does he have against you?”

Instead, Woo-jin is suspicious of how Dal-goo became employed in the “Money Money Company” in the first place, which would mean this plan of Do-young has been years in the making. Whatever the case, Dal-goo is tasked with finding a connection between Do-young, L Company, and the company he just quit.

During the Round 4 broadcast, Do-young tells the nine remaining contestants that they’ll be playing the President Game. They’ll have three elections during the round, and each president elected gets a share of the prize money and the ability to eliminate participants. Four total contestants will be eliminated during the round.

Whichever president remains elected through the end will be able to choose the teams for the next round, but the catch is that the president can’t be any of the contestants. They have to find a prospective candidate and bring him or her to the studio within twenty-four hours.

When Da-jung asks what the qualifications are for a candidate, Do-young uses a quote mistakenly attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville (but actually written by philosopher Joseph de Maistre, which I wish I could say is splitting hairs except they were totally different dudes): “Every nation gets the government it deserves.”

So while Da-jung thinks that everyone who’s not Jaime can rally behind a single candidate, Woo-jin notices Bong-geun acting strange. Uh oh.

Dal-goo sneaks into President Bae’s office to fish for the intel Woo-jin wanted, but finds himself caught when his former boss enters. Somehow, President Bae already knew Dal-goo was in there, and calls his men in to beat the living daylights out of our poor debt collector.

Meanwhile, Woo-jin is the one to tell the (now seven) contestants on their team that Bong-geun won’t be joining them—he’s gone off to find his own candidate, which should be relatively easier for him since he worked as an assemblyman’s aide before the show.

He returns to that same assemblyman now to ask him to be a candidate in the show in exchange for media coverage and fundraising for his actual campaign. The assemblyman agrees.

While President Bae has a duct-taped Dal-goo loaded into a car trunk, a mysterious spy who’s watched the entire exchange reports to Do-young over the phone.

But when asked if he should take action, Do-young grins and says no—they’ll just see how things unfold for now. PD Lee watches him on the phone from a distance, and while she may not know who he’s talking to or what it’s about, she knows enough to be worried whenever Do-young seems happy.

Da-jung receives a phone call from President Bae threatening to sell Dal-goo’s organs if she doesn’t pay the debt she owes, causing her to desperately turn to Woo-jin for help.

Speaking of, Director Jang has a powwow with Jaime on ways for her to win, which he knows will be impossible if she doesn’t do something about Woo-jin. His idea is to give her a Cambridge graduate as a candidate, but Jaime has a better idea. (We don’t hear what it is.)

Dal-goo is already on the butcher’s block waiting to be cut open, but due to an insufficient amount of anesthetic, he’s able to talk like a drunkard. When he overhears President Bae complaining that he wouldn’t have even hired Dal-goo if it wasn’t for the top guy who delivers debtors to him in the first place, Dal-goo asks in a slur if he answers to Do-young.

President Bae seems to take offense to this idea, since he refers to Do-young as “that bastard” before leaning down to whisper the truth in Dal-goo’s ear. Of course we don’t hear it, but it’s questionable whether Dal-goo has enough of his mental faculties to hear it either.

Then the time for talk is over, and the surgeon takes a scalpel to Dal-goo’s stomach… but is thankfully stopped from making the first cut when Woo-jin and Da-jung enter.

She rushes to Dal-goo’s side while PD Lee and the Liar Game crew come in with camera lights blaring. PD Lee declares that Dal-goo is now a participant in Liar Game and that they’ll send this footage straight to the police if he gets injured.

President Bae doesn’t back off until PD Lee shows that she’s got a direct line to Detective Cha, their law enforcement liaison in Seoul. In order to save Dal-goo, Da-jung’s chosen him as her presidential candidate for the upcoming game.

Dal-goo can’t remember agreeing to be the candidate once he’s drug free, nor can he remember what President Bae said to him that he knew would be important enough to pass onto Woo-jin.

During the broadcast, Da-jung and her six other teammates present Dal-goo as their candidate, while Bong-geun presents Assemblyman KANG SHIN-GYU as his.

Jaime is the only one without a candidate in the last five minutes of the nomination round… at least until she sidles up next to Do-young and declares that he’s her candidate. Everyone but Woo-jin—including the infallible Do-young himself—is shocked.

Outside, PD Lee, Do-young, and Director Jang hash out their issues with this recent twist, which of course Director Jang is all for since the plan was concocted by his star contestant to get rid of Do-young.

And as Director Jang and Jaime predicted, Do-young has to step down as MC for the round he’ll be forced to participate in. Even though Do-young reticently claims he has someone who can step in for him, Director Jang has no intention of letting him get that far. He’s counting on Do-young being publicly condemned into stepping down permanently, just like Jaime predicted.

As we flash back to Jaime telling Director Jang her plan, we get another reveal as Jaime reports the conversation she just had… to Do-young himself. Yes, her proposition to Director Jang was all part of HIS plan, and Director Jang doesn’t suspect a thing. Ooooohhh.

In order to make it “fair,” Do-young’s possible candidacy is brought to a vote amongst the contestants. Lawyer Go, Sung-joon, Actor Gu, and Da-jung are against, while Bong-geun, Bulldog, Guru Pippi, and Jaime are for. Woo-jin is the only one who can break the tie, and while Da-jung is sure he’ll vote against… he votes in favor of Do-young’s inclusion.

But, Woo-jin has a condition, which he says after locking eyes with his nemesis: Do-young can’t have private meetings with the staff, and must announce any and all information he has on the game to the rest of the contestants. Gauntlet thrown.

Da-jung knows Woo-jin well enough to trust in his reasoning for choosing Do-young, even if he reveals to Dal-goo that he didn’t exactly tell her the truth.

He voted so that he could face Do-young directly instead of letting him manipulate the game from behind the scenes, and seems offended when Dal-goo asks, “What if we lose?” Losing isn’t part of Woo-jin’s vocabulary.

Like Woo-jin predicted might happen, a few of Da-jung’s teammates show their true colors when they turn their back on her before the round begins. They’re then led into an enormous auditorium outfitted with giant glass rooms, one for each contestant.

At the front are their candidates, presented by the temporary MC, who’s none other than Director Jang. He gives the rules and parameters of the game: the three candidates will offer a true or false promise in their campaign speeches, and will choose which promise is false by pressing a button to tell the staff beforehand.

It’s up to the contestants to guess, but whichever promise is declared false doesn’t need to be upheld, while the promise that’s true must be upheld or the candidate will be eliminated. The promises can hinge on the game money offered or on which players they’ll eliminate, and whoever wins can eliminate one participant who didn’t support them for the first two elections.

Whoever wins the final election will have the power to eliminate two participants regardless of who they supported, including other candidates. The participants can show their support for a candidate by pledging any of the one hundred thousand dollars/one hundred million won given to them to play with in the round.

Assemblyman Kang and Dal-goo’s speeches are met with relative levels of success, but it’s not until Do-young gives his speech that everyone gives their rapt attention.

Do-young uses his time to remind the participants who may have forgotten that Woo-jin is a master swindler who brought an entire company to ruin.

“This is Liar Game!” Do-young announces ferverently. “What is the extent of the truth and what is a lie? Does he really have no other motive in helping Nam Da-jung? I hesitated at first when Jaime nominated me. But I decided that a criminal must be stopped from winning Liar Game and ruining the show. I trust that everyone will make the right decision.” Boom.

There’s only Da-jung and Woo-jin on Dal-goo’s team during the first pre-speech meeting, and it’s actually Da-jung who proposes the strategy that Dal-goo use up his one chance to give a false promise in his first speech—that way, everyone will trust that he’s telling the truth in his last two speeches because he’ll have no other choice.

Woo-jin approves of this plan wholeheartedly, and even seems impressed that Da-jung proposed it first. Of course it means that Dal-goo will have to sacrifice the first election round to win in the others, but he doesn’t have to worry about being eliminated. Woo-jin has a way to make sure of it.

So, Dal-goo makes his first campaign promise that everyone knows is a blatant lie when he promises to give everyone the nine hundred thousand dollars from the “national treasury” established by the crew, which simply isn’t possible.

We don’t see which button Do-young presses before he promises to give the treasury money to his supporters after collecting one hundred thousand dollars in taxes from everyone. He does manage to woo some would-be supporters who want a piece of that money pie, though.

The contestants go to their individual booths to vote for a candidate or abstain for the first round, leaving the floor open for party members to meet. It’s free to meet with members of your own political party, but it costs money to meet with opposing party members or candidates.

Do-young’s campaign promise poses a particular challenge to Dal-goo’s party, since the amount he wants to collect in taxes is the exact amount each player was given for the round. So if they use any of their money for campaigning, they’ll be in debt if Do-young wins. Even if they spend none of it, they’ll end up with zero dollars.

This doesn’t make it any easier on Dal-goo when he watches everyone else campaigning while his team does nothing, even though Da-jung and Woo-jin know that it’s the only way to prove Dal-goo’s first promise was a lie.

Do-young knows what their strategy is too, and tells Jaime that the game is already over before the first voting round begins. As part of what must be Woo-jin’s foolproof strategy, he and Da-jung cast their votes for Do-young rather than their own candidate.

And when the results come in, we see why: since the elected president for the first round could only eliminate a contestant who didn’t vote for him, it means Da-jung and Woo-jin are safe from the chopping block when Do-young wins.

He gets a choice between eliminating Bong-geun or Guru Pippi, and chooses the latter. Do-young’s supporters rush to check whether his promise to split the treasury money amongst them was true, only to find their safes empty. Do-young lied.

…Which means he’s using the same strategy as Woo-jin by using up his one lie first. After Do-young makes sure to catch Woo-jin’s gaze so he can smirk victoriously at him, it’s time for the second round of campaign promises.

The participants know that Dal-goo is telling the truth when he says he’ll distribute the treasury funds amongst his supporters, but so is Do-young when he ups the ante by promising to split the treasury money with the first three supporters who vote for him.

He gives that option to the four people who were previously unaffiliated, which doesn’t include Jaime—even if it’s a smart way to get them to pick his side. Sung-joon is the only one who takes all this in, looks Da-jung’s way, and still votes to remain unaffiliated.

This leaves Jaime without a party and really upset about it, but Do-young spreads the word that she’ll pay if she betrays him. But she does just that by pledging her vote to Dal-goo, since in her mind, Do-young betrayed her first.

She also uses the in-between time to form her own coalition, because as long as she’s got three participants on her side, they can make or break any candidate.

Da-jung approaches Sung-joon to ask for his vote, even though he’s made it clear that he doesn’t trust Woo-jin. “But you trust me,” Da-jung argues. “Believe in me and watch Ha Woo-jin, who I trust completely.” He seems to agree, but Woo-jin reads something in his features that concerns him.

Now that Jaime, Bulldog, Lawyer Go and Actor Gu are a team, they offer Assemblyman Kang the presidency if he allows them to dictate the terms. Do-young knows exactly what’s going on and just rolls his eyes.

Woo-jin has his own plan, and sends Dal-goo to face the coalition, where he goads Bulldog into a brawl. Their punishment is to be isolated until voting, and Assemblyman Kang is the one to point out that Jaime won’t have her guaranteed votes if Bulldog switches sides.

But Assemblyman Kang has a plan for them to win with or without Bulldog, which is to send the four people he does have to surround and block the voting booth until their time is up—he knows that no one would break the rules and risk elimination by using force to get past them.

Bulldog is offended that they assumed he switched allegiances when he didn’t, while Woo-jin tells the arrogant assemblyman that he better pray his pathetic plan will work. “Aren’t you going to vote?” he asks Da-jung & Co., who ask him the obvious: How?

Jaime sneers that they can’t get past their human shield, while Woo-jin looks as nonplussed as ever as he tells his teammates that he’ll clear a path to the booth.

 
COMMENTS

I’d have to flip through the Liar Game rule book I’ve totally been compiling since this show began to be sure, but even if the Two Warning System for physical violence stretched across the whole game as opposed to reverting back to zero after each round, then the idea that Woo-jin could use force to help his teammates without eliminating himself shouldn’t sound all that outlandish to Jaime’s crew. They’ve played enough rounds with Woo-jin to know that he wouldn’t just stand back and do nothing, right? Or is that expecting too much?

I finally thought Do-young had been caught off-guard when Jaime announced him as her candidate, enough to be surprised when Do-young proved to have masterminded the whole plan. In this instance I can’t help but root for Do-young, at least when it comes to his struggle with Director Jang, who just seems petty and overbearing when it comes to ousting the man responsible for reviving his flailing network. It’s especially fun that Director Jang is so pleased with himself that he’s completely blinded to the fact that he’s been double-crossed by his own plant, and by his own self-proclaimed enemy.

But that sort of subtle underhandedness is what makes Do-young’s brand of scheming such a delight to watch, because he doesn’t even need to break a sweat. What remains most mysterious about him is exactly how far his reach extends, because if he went so far as to plan Dal-goo’s employment to coincide with Da-jung’s debt in order to facilitate Woo-jin’s involvement, that is downright terrifying.

And it’s not even so much that whatever plan we’re watching play out has been years in the making, but that Do-young can read people to such an extent that he can accurately predict their behavior to the letter. How else could he have made sure that the stars would align perfectly to get Woo-jin into the game if he hadn’t gone and moved each star by hand long before anyone would even think to look up? But even so, how could he have been so sure that everything would work out exactly as he planned? I’m not even being rhetorical with that question, I legitimately have no idea how someone could flawlessly execute a plan that seemingly relies on people to act exactly how you think they will. Over such a long span of time, no less.

Which gives us all the more reason to hope Woo-jin figures the particulars out sooner rather than later, even if I wouldn’t be surprised at this point if Do-young’s plan—whatever it really is—makes allowances for Woo-jin to make an occasional discovery here or there. And while it’s an interesting twist to have Do-young actually participating in the game, I won’t lose sleep if Do-young resumes his role as MC after this game ends, because replacing Do-young with Director Jang is like replacing a flavorful soda with caffeine free Coke Zero—sure, they’re both drinkable, but only one is good.

 
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Firstly thank you for the recap :)
Kang.Do.Young ! Shin Sung Rok is the most slick evil cold mastermind I have come across in KDrama world. With him entering the game I think he is Yokoya here. But after watching this epi and the next one watching Shin Sung Rok is pure pleasure!!

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Do Young seems to be a combination of characters including Yokoya. I wonder if he'll be a contestant in the next game or return to being the MC.

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He is staying in the game. This drama just got more intense. Watch episode 8. It made me nearly have a heart attack!

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I did watch ep.8, but I'm still not sure. I don't remember him explicitly saying that he would continue as participant.

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But I think I know what game will be played next and I know that Yokoya was involved. I still question Do Young's involvement though. Won't it be unfair if he is a participant just like everyone else? In this game, he was just a presidential candidate. One could argue that his involvement in this game was unfair too.

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@ realraul2307,

This, "Shin Sung Rok is the most slick evil cold mastermind I have come across in KDrama world," and this, "But after watching this epi and the next one watching Shin Sung Rok is pure pleasure!!"

I 2nd both opinions. I am thoroughly enjoying KDY and SSR interpretation/portrayal of this character. I don't eat when I watch this drama, however I wish I had some ice cream or my favorite dessert when I watch the episodes. The show is becoming intense (which is good). I appreciate the BTS manipulations and the mind games taking place, since I am very often lost with the game rules.

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Speaking of BTS, has anyone else seen this this BTS video from the set. Its nice to see then joke around (and could LSY get even cuter?) Skip to 1:17 to see him laugh full out (it's adorable)
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1555994511300279&set=vb.1526718854227845&type=2&theater

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Hello Shalini,

I left you a response to your comment in ep.6 and I don't know if you saw it (I hope you did). I also visited your webpage, and I commented on that. Do you know if there is a Youtube version of that video? For some reason, Flash Player won't play on my computer, so I couldn't see the video. That said, I am not surprised that the cast jokes around. They should, to balance how intense many of the scenes require them to be (it reminds me of the BTS of the cast from Gaksital).

From what I know of the cast, many of them seem to be laid back, good natured people, so I would not expect anything less from them on the set. I think it also helps with the chemistry they have, to be joking around when they are not filming. It helps them be more comfortable with each other, and when the filming resumes, they know how to read each other, and follow each other as they act. Thank you for sharing this BTS :-)

LSY seems to have always gotten along with his colleagues, even as far back as his "I Love You, Don't Cry" days (and even before, I would assume). He has spoken in past interviews of the things he has learned from other acting colleagues, and he seemed to have had good relationships with many of them. You can also see how good natured he is, when you watch him in interviews (you can find them on YT) and on variety shows (Running Man, Happy Together). He laughs very easily and often, and the reactions of some of the interviewers is endearing. People like him, a lot, and I can see why.

You can also see LSY joke around (and laugh) in the BTS of Angel Eyes, and when he was with his co-stars of My daughter Seo-young. He actually said that the actors of MDSY would meet every Friday to go watch a movie, and they did it throughout the run of that drama.

You know, there were a few things that left me scratching my head, and I was wondering if those things occurred to you as well:

1-Why would it be unfair if DY is a Prdtial nominee? The other guy is a politician, so wouldn't that be unfair as well, because he knows politics, and how to make (convincing) speeches (I would hope)? As HWJ said, as long as DY did not communicate with the staff, and as long as DY shared the info he had about LG with everyone, what would be wrong with DY being a participant?

2-There was a mention (by DY) about a rule (or some rules?) that HWJ broke. Do you know which one(s) that (or those) would be, and when he broke those rules?

3-Do you think that CSJ has a crush on NDJ? The commenters on viki seem to think so. I am wondering if he has a crush on her, or if he just cares about her a lot. Also, I don't understand why many of the other contestants (still) don't trust HWJ, do you? He helped them make money in two different rounds (minority game and Layoff game).

I would love to read your thoughts on those, if you have any :-)

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Hi Ivoire.
To answer #1, I'm not sure if knowing politics is that important in this game. If DY created all these games, he could already know good strategies to win them. He would have an advantage. Also, it's unfair for him to be a participant because he didn't have to fight his way to this stage of the competition like other contestants.

I think the contestants still can't trust him because they know how good he is good at deceiving people. It doesn't help that DY reminded them that he used to be a professor and criminal who went to prison for swindling/taking down an entire company.

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@ dab,

So sorry to respond to you so late, however, I am so happy that you responded to my 1st question. Your explanations make total sense, and are helping me understand the show better. Today is 11-18-2014, and so by the time I post this reply, I have already watched ep.8.

Thank you so much for your response.

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Thanks Shalini, that was a good, fun clip and so good to see them hamming it up. I was laughing along. It shows what good actors they are, that they inhabit their characters so convincingly, we never see them like themselves!!

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he is
what most amazed me though, was his pure skin
talk about pure evil

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But this would be the only way for them to play the Contraband game with Yokoya (aka Kang Do Young) in the Korean version. Super excited!

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I love love love that bit when Dajung impresses Woo Jin with her plan (it's all in his facial expression seriously!!) and I swear I can almost hear him thinking "yeaaaah thats my girl!"

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YAAAASSSSS! I thrive on their every little look, word and interaction with each other. The "romance" (if there is one) is so implicit that I cling on to ANYTHING.

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Haha I also look for small signs in their interactions that may imply a romance! They are a good pair. Good chemistry between LSY and KSE; also character-wise, they match. She cannot lie and he cannot stand liars. Match made in heaven! Lol.

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I know, me too!!! If it’s true that Liar Game will only be 12 episodes, I highly doubt that they’ll have enough airtime to cram in the romance of the two. The mysteries and twists of the show are already quite handful as it is. So really, I’m just eating up any bone (or in this show’s case, a tiny tiny bone) they’re throwing me right now on the romance front.

Here’s a case where I am desperately praying for an extension because it’s too good to be out of our lives so soon (and tbh, i just want my freaking romance to take center stage even if for one episode only, thank you). But on the other hand, I feel that this is a show where the writing’s airtight and all the episodes have been meticulously planned out from beginning to end (hence, its brilliant pacing, smart reveals, cracktastic feel, and its overall greatness, really) that an extension would likely fuck it up more than helping it.

But seriously Show, you can’t just make Lee Sang Yoon so smouldering hot all of a sudden and not give us equally smouldering hot kisses to compensate for all our troubles (of squealing, and fangirling, and peeling ourselves off the floor after every episode), right? RIGHT?

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Right!

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I know right! I'd have serious heartbreak if they cut if off after just four more episodes. This type of show is such a rarity in KDramaland that I find myself pleading from some (any) sort of extension which is weird since I'd normally groan at the thought of one. Show, please don't leave us yet!

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She impressed me too actually! I was like "Geez, girl is that youuu." Ahhh the feels. Finally this time! Da Jung is using her brains rather than being completely naive. I really hope she continue being like this!

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He looked so proud of her!! I'm also happy that DJ used her brain and came up with a good idea!

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wheeeeee! thanks for the recap!

one of the best parts of this show is definitely da jung + dal goo. what a sweet, supportive, oddball relationship. love it.

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Thanks for the recap!
That last scene where everyone is holding hands to block the voting booth reminded me of a scene that happened during the Musical Chairs game.

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Oh yeah! The extras got in the way of people sitting in the chairs. It would be really cool to see Musical Chairs in this drama. It wasn't in the j-drama.

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I freaking love that Doyoung is in the game now as well! It’s effing genius! I’ve always loved watching Woojin (and Dajung) one-up everybody and win every game, but I want my hero to lose his cool, second-guess his plans, and quake in his boots every now and then. And Doyoung seems the only person who can do that to him. By now being a participant himself, he can actively oppose our hero instead of just being in the sidelines!! I seriously cannot wait for the next episodes!! And Dalgoo Ajusshi being a player in the game too? ---- now that’s just some super good icing on this amazing and brilliant cake!

Ohmygod Liar Game is so good I want to cry.

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Same here! I can barely eat when watching it and it breaks my heart that a show of such quality and heart could be leaving us so soon!

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Thank you for the recap!! I've been trying to keep up with this drama but sometimes life gets too busy to have fun :(
BUT OMG WOOJIN ♡♡♡
Am i the only one who swoons whenever he talks???
Ahhhhh lee sang yoon is soooo good in this.
Shin sung rok is of course great (to me he still has a psychotic glint to his eyes xD)
Love this drama!

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You're not alone K. I also swoon over LSY whenever he talks. ♡ :)

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you're definitely not the only. I swoon everytime I see him..and even more when he talks and then I just die when he glares intensely. Kyaa LSY is incredible in this role <33

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You're not alone! I love LSY's smile. It's a shame WJ doesn't smile much.

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This BTS video shows him laugh! (and it's gorgeous ) Skip to 1:17 to see it! I love the interactions between the cast
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1555994511300279&set=vb.1526718854227845&type=2&theater

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@ Shalini

Thank you for the BTS link. :)

LSY's so adorable. Kyaaaaaah. :)

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No problem! :D

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Thank you for the recap! Wow! I am definitely using (and maybe burning or losing) brain cells with this drama. Every ep. leaves me scratching my head at times. I look forward to the next ep. to see what trick HWJ will pull of next. DY continues to pull many strings, and he continues to manipulate Dir. Jang, as Heads mentioned in ep.2 (I think it was ep.2? When Heads talked about DY telling what Dir. Jang wanted to hear, without actually saying what Dir. Jang wanted to hear). It’s interesting to see Dir. Jang act and think like he is in control, when he is actually not. DY definitely knows a lot about psychology, and how to use it on people.

Also, DY continues to be delicious (to watch), that eyeroll and sigh, and the sound/tone of his voice, when he said “HWJ, you sure have a lot of suspicions. Have a little faith,” that was so good. DY sounded like a child when he said that. When HWJ was holding DY by his collar (after he said “do you know me?”) someone on viki said, “plot twist, he (DY) is his father,” LOL. And DY seems to know everything (he has a mole within Boss Bae team). Does Boss Bae know that? Does DY follow people as well? I also like Jaime (as a character) in this drama. She adds to the conflicts, and she looked really good in her red dress.

The Engrish, by Boss Bae was funny, “shut tha mouse-e.” What was not (funny), was the whole DG incident. I felt for him, when he was beaten up again. The things DG does for NDJ, and for HWJ. Hopefully, he will be compensated well when HWJ wins, and gives the money to NDJ. When I saw him in that room, I really thought DG would be gone. It was very scary when I 1st watched it (raw). I screamed, “nooooo I hope they won’t kill him, or eliminate him now. Couldn’t he make it to the end (of the drama)?” My heart did jump to my throat, and I realized how much I actually like DG. He lied to NDJ that he didn’t quit his job, awww…

The Beeper Guru lady is so funny at times: when she said, “if you choose this candidate (the politician), you will get a girlfriend,” they showed CHJ, who smiled. At the same time, the aide’s face went down, as if he was thinking (this woman can’t be serious). And Bulldog was excited about the money (of course). That said, I think that the Beeper Guru is right about DY (I don’t know about The politician), and about DG. –She said,” I definitely saw it. You are the worst of the worst. Even if an owner brings you on, s/he will go bankrupt. You have a dog’s fortune.” So DY is not just the worst, he is the worst of the worst, (hum…).

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PART 2:

I think it might have happened in the past (that someone brought DY in, and s/he ended up being in worse shape because of DY), and her words gave me a sense of foreboding. I didn’t use to take her too seriously, but I did here, with what she said about DY.

I also found it very interesting that the Beeper Guru was the 1st person DY wanted to cut, as if she was a (real) danger or a threat to him. I wonder what HWJ and NDJ thought of what she said, if they gave it any thought at all. Maybe they will think about it later. I also wonder if her words will be played back in future episodes, to show that she was right (I wish for that).

I also find it interesting that DY had said that he wants PD Lee as a partner, and yet, he never listens to her objections. In the end, he always ends up doing what he wants, like she said in ep. 1 or 2. So what kind of partnership is that?

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I found the fortuneteller's words realy ominous as well. But I found even scarier was Woojin's comment on DalGoo "You know that if someone changes that suddenly, that they die right?" This is a show that hasn't hestitated to show us the ugly side of life and considering that no one still know of what has happened to that other contestant Lee Minjin, then I'n honestly afraid for DalGoo's life. That being said, I squealed so hard when HWJ said that he'd give the prize money to DJ because he wanted to "see her dream come true." I really love how many twists and turns this show manages to fit into an hour all which still giving us some romance (the OSTs they play most certainly indicate that this is going on!) That being said, do you feel like HWJ was getting slightly overconfident? I for one, found it really difficult that a man like KDY who could possibly have orchestrated everything including the contestants' participation in this game to have slipped up (when making that second promise and excluding Jamie) so easily. I feel like that unfortunately came through in episode 8 (*cries at HWJ's sad face*). Have you seen it yet?

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@ Shalini,

I wrote to you earlier, however my comment is awaiting moderation, so I do hope that you will check back here, and that you will see that comment here:
Ivoire November 13th, 2014 at 7:24 AM.

It's good to read from you, once again :-)

About this, "But I found even scarier was Woojin’s comment on DalGoo “You know that if someone changes that suddenly, that they die right?” " My translation said "When a person change they die" I didn't have the "that suddenly" you mentioned. Do you know what HWJ meant by that? I was not sure.

And thank you for bringing Lee Ming Jin up, I am wondering if we will find out what happened to her in future episodes (I hope we do). Why do you feel so afraid for DG's life? I feel that now that he has been on the LG (with the cameras on him, and PD Lee paying attention), I am not sure that DG could easily disappear. Hopefully, if they didn't kill him in this ep., they will let him live until the end of the drama.

I am not sure about the romance in this drama. A few of us had a discussion about it in ep.6. I don't know if there is another OTP song besides Mask (there might be, I am not sure). However, have you paid attention to the lyrics of Mask? They don't look (or sound) like the romance will be lived out. They sound one sided, as if the words are from HWJ to NDJ. The lyrics sound wistful to me, and HWJ's looks towards NDJ do not feel romantic to me, but that's just me :-)

About this, "That being said, do you feel like HWJ was getting slightly overconfident?"
Well, at 1st I didn't, but then I watched ep.8 and realized (hindsight being 20/20) that maybe he had been a little (or somewhat) overconfident. We can discuss that more in ep.8 recap (so I can manage to stay on topic here :-) ).
And also yes, KDY is very careful and strategic about how he orchestrates things. And he very often seems to be ahead of the game. So if KDY manages to beat HWJ (will he?), I would not be too surprised. And yes, I did watch ep.8, raw. I will watch it subbed today.

1-Do you know why Dir. Jang hates DY so much? I was curious about that. 2-Also, did you hear DG say, “Do-young-ie?” when he was on the table? I thought I heard that? And I thought that was why Pres. Bae was offended, no? (instead of because DG called DY a bad name).

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Hi Ivoire!
About Woo Jin and being confident or over-confident... I'd personally never dare to make that kind of statement, ("of course we are going to win!"): it sort of begs to be proved wrong! He was definitely confident that he could read all the micro-expressions that most of us are not aware we are exhibiting as we try to or unconsciously hide our feelings. Perhaps he was over-confident too, thinking only he could do it among that group of people.

Did you watch the American series, Lie to Me? That was really interesting and all about finding out the truth using micro experssions.

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Hi Growingbeautifully!

I agree with you in that HWJ was certainly confident rather than overconfident in that he'd be able to read microexpressions. However, I feel like he should have suspected that something was up the moment DY asked him to tango. The chilling moment when he realized he was one step behind should have been enough to show him that something was up. In that, I felt he was slightly overconfident, not in his abilities to read people, but in underestimating KDY who has proven to be quite diabolical, even before.

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@ Shalini,

Thank you for making the difference between "being confident" and "being overly confident." I had not thought of that, and that makes sense.

***SOME SPOILERS, SORRY***I watched ep.8 raw (very few subs), and so I didn't know what DY and HWJ were really talking about, though anyone would know the game they played when one sees that game. So, I am saying that b/c at SOME POINT in that game, when the odds (revealed) were not what HWJ expected, I started to think, "HWJ is being mislead." The way they filmed that whole thing, I could tell, and HWJ was NOT catching on. I kept expecting HWJ to say the OPPOSITE of what he thought he should say. That was when for me, I felt that HWJ had been too confident, and he did not think about exactly what DY was doing. We can continue this conversation/discussion in ep.8. See you guys there, I hope :-) A part of me felt that AHWJ had it coming. Not all of me, just a part, so again, no tomatoes :-) ***END OF SPOILERS***

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I expanded on this in my blog (more like rambled, xD) but there's always been this idea of what you can see versus what you can't see within this show. HWJ could always read people, could see the microslivers of expression crossing their faces, but for the first time, he finds himself walking blind. On the other hand, NDJ walks blindly all the time, trusting everyone unconditionally. The only two people that have managed not to break that trust so far are HWJ and DG (who took her money out of a sense of responsibility not greed). Same goes for HWJ, he's gotten incredibly used to betrayal. Yet the two he meets the moment he gets out of prison are DG (while in prison too I suppose :P ) and NDJ. The three rely pretty heavily on each other as seen at this point. Now, I don't really get why but in addition to his God-complex, and his idea of "fun", KDY appears to have it in for HWJ. Perhaps it's a test, perhaps it's something more but the best way to begin breaking HWJ would be to start with DG or NDJ (have you seen the preview for episode 9?) NDJ still remains a principal character, which is why I fear for DG.

About the "suddenly changing" part. HWJ said "kamjak pyeonghangdamyeon" which I translated as "suddenly changes. And I think he was jokingly saying that it wasn't possible for someone to make such a dramatic about-face, unless they were close to death. But seeing as this show capitalizes on the small details, it felt sort of eerie. Probably just me overreacting xD

As for the romance, I don't think they'll have a chance to flesh it out but according to the press conference, LSY and KSE said that they'd do their better to show the sort of romance right before people start dating (and as that's usually the first half of a k-drama I'm satisfied xD). So I think there will be one, just quite toned down in order to remain faithful to the original
There actually is another OST (not romance related thought) It's really beautiful (and I fear for ep 9) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k84Qwniz-Og
Here are the lyrics for all the OSTs for far, I'm enjoying how they reflect the drama so well http://popgasa.com/tag/liar-game/
Can't wait to discuss KDY's diabolical schemes with you on the ep 8 recap! :D

I still don't get why Dir. Jang hates DY. I think they've yet to reveal it to us. Either that or it's a power thing, DY commanding so much besides just being an MC. I'm also curious as to how DY and Jamie are going to bring down Dir. Jang. I think they said something about that in their phonecall). Did you hear something to that effect as well?

I heard Do-Youngie as well! :D I believe Pres Bae. was offended because DG asked him (right after saying "Kang Do-Youngie") whether he was KDY's lackey. I'm also wondering who the higher-ups are that Pres . Bae mentioned getting DG from. According my subs he said "you're a parachute, you know?" Any idea what that may mean?

And if there's no love lost between Pres...

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part 2:
If there's no love lost between Pres Bae and KDY then how on earth did DG get into Money Money in the first place? Any ideas?
My comment is awaiting moderation too xD Hope you see it soon!

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@ Shalini,

I hope to see your post. From my understanding, KDY is the BIG boss Pres. Bae was talking about, when DG was on the table. So they don't have to like each other. Remember, Pres. Bae gets his clients from KDY, since they owe money, and Money Money is a collection company (with dirty tricks).

KDY reminds me of the villain in Three Days, who was all powerful, and had a mafia-like organization, and infiltrated EVERY sector in Korea's economy and politics, and police, etc... So I would not be surprised if KDY is that well connected. He seems to be used to have things going his way, probably b/c they have, for a long time. HWJ (and NDJ) might be the ones to change that, or so we hope.

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Hi GB,
No, I did not watch Lie to Me, so I am not familiar with the show and what happens in it.

About this, "About Woo Jin and being confident or over-confident… I’d personally never dare to make that kind of statement, (“of course we are going to win!”): it sort of begs to be proved wrong"
I agree with you, but only to a point. I think the opposite could be argued, that people who believe in positive thinking and visualization could say that. Isn't that what many athletes who compete on a high level (Tennis, Olympics, etc...) say at times (at least for some of them. I know at least of one US female tennis player who is unabashed and confident of her wins, before she starts playing). And so you do have people who live that way, who believe in it, and who pass it on to their children, if they happen to have them. Those who win would also often say, in interviews after winning, that they knew that they would win.

This, "Perhaps he was over-confident too, thinking only he could do it among that group of people," I totally agree with, and I think that was what mislead him. And I actually welcomed (after having thought about it), what happened to him (again, trying to not really talk about what happened in ep.8 here). DY is a formidable opponent, and HWJ needs to know who he is dealing with. Remember (again) what I told you about DY and why I loved him so much in ep.5? The stronger, and cunning, and manipulative DY is (essentially the higher DY rises with his schemes), the stronger, and smarter and careful (paying attention to details [like me :-) ] HWJ is going to have to be to meet DY where he is at. And that makes for a good drama or movie, b/c you are kept on toes, since you have two worthy characters battling it out.

HWJ cannot just rest on his laurels of his psychology background and education, and the fact that most people are not "genuises" like he is. Well, newsflash! DY is a genius, in his own way and in his own right. And so in many ways, the quality of the game is elevated b/c of DY, if you think about it. We should actually be thanking DY for being so devious. I know I am, especially (also) b/c SSR plays him so well.

I am in the camp of those who believe that he does still the show (for me, he does). I really love DY (as a character), he is intense. When he comes on the screen, things heat up. I did not feel that way at the beginning of the show. My feelings have only recently changed. In the 1st ep. I felt that SSR was over-acting some (just my humble opinion, no tomatoes throwing please). However, I am loving how he has settled into the role and made it his own. Also, remember that DY knows HWJ, and he did his research (HWJ info on his computer in the 1 or 2nd epi.). So going in, DY KNEW who he was dealing with, which was why he has been able to anticipate HWJ's moves, and DY expects a lot from HWJ. He said it a few times,"if HWJ does not solve this, I would have misread him [and I would be disappointed]).

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About this, "I am in the camp of those who believe that he does still the show (for me, he does)."
I meant to say this, "I am in the camp of those who believe that he does steal the show (for me, he does)."

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I've long since given up on understanding any of the rules of the game show, (as that would destroy my enjoyment of this drama) and just totally absorb the show, characters and plot.

That said, it looks like the drama is employing plots that go way out of the reach of any game show. It looks like what is happening outside the game show is actually way more interesting than what goes on in the arena, if you will. Still, it would be a hard sell for me to believe that Do Young plotted out everything years in advance of this game show, which is simply impossible, not allowing for the variables of life, human nature and endless possiblities in decision making.

Even knowing a human character to a Tee, it is impossible to predict that said human would always behave in such a manner when faced with such problems, and this is where probabilities, ratios, permutations and computations come into play. I'm sure any statictician would have a ball with this, but for my simple mind, it is enough that it is mind boggling.

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@ adal,

I really liked what you said in your last 2 paragraphs, and I agree. I too found it hard to fully buy into the notion that DY would know for sure that DG would ask HWJ to help NDJ. As elaborate as DY's plan was, DG could have reacted differently, for some reasons (unknown to us). And also, HWJ only decided to help NDJ when he happened to read her contract. What would have happened, if HWJ had not seen it? What other means might have DY used?

@ Growingbeautifully talked about that (those theories) in episodes 5 and 6. For the sake of the drama, I will go along with it, however I do find it really hard to believe.

I was curious about this, when Dir. Jang (as the MC) said, "the final President gets the team organization rights and an advantageous position." Would that position be for the President or the team? And that position would be within the game, right (not in real life)?

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@ Ivoire and adal
Thanks for bringing up the conspiracy discussion!

Yup, I was thinking about it again in the light of what Heads said, ...in my post no. 25 below.

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@ GB,
(I just realized, I forgot to send this, sorry :-( )

I believe I told you that I take notes when I watch Kdramas, right? Here are my notes (things I jotted down), when I listened to HWJ tell DG that DY had orchestrated everything:

(4th point) [email protected] GB (her thoughts), HWJ’s comments are a big IF, b/c what IF HWJ didn’t come and join the game? What IF DG had not connected both (NDJ and HWJ)? And what IF NDJ had missed him (HWJ) at the bus stop? And what IF HWJ had not read her contract? (which was what made him change his mind, btw). So maybe KDY orchestrated it, however it was not a foolproof plan (meaning, sure it would happen that way), tbh.

When I saw Adal's comment, I thought of you GB, and of my notes. And you can see why... :-)

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Hmm..considering what we are getting to know of DG's past, I'm not so sure. Rather than KDY being super at reading people, I think DG and NDJ were just easy targets, as we're getting to see that they're more and more similar in that they're easily fooled. As such, I can see how KDY could have gotten DG to ask HWJ for help.
I agree on HWJ helping DJ though, that's something I have yet to see how KDY triggered. I hope there is an explanation, it would made KDY all the more deliciously evil.

I for one, actually loved the rules of the show. At points during the President Game, I found myself wondering why this person didn't just directly speak to that person, but then I recalled the "no speaking to people from other parties" rule. I feel like, every time I thought I saw an inconsistency in the game, there was a rule that had already been specified to counter it. That just has my heart as I love a well-designed maze!
Just wondering but has anyone found any inconsistencies in the games that can't be explained away?

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@ Shalini,
I don't know about inconsistencies, however I don't always understand the games, and how they are played (as I watch the contestants play, is what I mean). Can I ask you questions when I have them (on your site maybe, if the show happens to be over?) I have to think about those.

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I cannot say enough about Kang Do Young. The man is malevolent. Just like you said Heads, he doesn't even break a sweat to carry out his evil plots. He's all sharp suits, baleful laughs and slick black hair and i LOVE IT. I'm terrified that he's entered the game because despite what Woo Jin may think about his position as a contestant allowing them to be on equal footing I doubt it HIGHLY. Do Young is surprised by nothing and no one.
The show is getting pretty dark, like i was shocked to see Dal Goo in his boxers about to be cut open but what can i say I'm loving every minute of it. Side note - Jaime ( Lee El) Looked absolutely flawless in that red dress. Who knew voting for fake president could be this intense * shivers*

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He is phenomenal! I am simultaneously terrified of and enthralled by him!

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Shin Sung Rok is magnetic, I've never been this impressed with an actor's performance on screen. He is terrifying,brilliant and beautiful. I love whenever he and Woo Jin clash the tenaion oozes off the screen. ( i usually have to pause and fan myself because its so intense).

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Jaime looked really amazing in this episode.

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yes! I agree, she looks amazing in that red dress.

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I'm so lost hahahaha, I try to understand but sometimes I think the writer is also lost...

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Hi Liz,

I don't know if the writer is lost, however, I hear you! Every time I watch an episode (and I pay attention, and I rewind, and I pause many times to read the subs carefully), I still feel at the end of each episode that I need to read the recap, and discuss the ep. with other beanies, so I can understand the ep. better (hopefully understand it fully, and that doesn't always happen).

I find myself thinking about the actors, because they have to make sense of their lines, to come across as convincing when they act (like they know what they are talking about). I wonder if they struggle with understanding some of the scenes as much as we do. I guess in their case, they have the writer, the director, and the producers (and staff) to discuss those scenes with.

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I get lost every time HWJ speaks. I just found myself staring at my screen and *snap if other characters try to butt in. I was like what's happening again? Hahaha lol but seriously LSY is just ughhh.. swoon worthy! Maybe the writer has the same problem with me. Hahaha jk

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My favorite part of the whole episode was when Guru Pippi called out Do Young. For the first time, he seemed to be unbalanced by something, and I think it's a large part of the reason why he chose to eliminate her. Despite most of her predictions being rubbish, she got it right with him.

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I think Do Young eliminated her because he couldn't rely on someone who doesn't make logical and rational decisions. She's someone that he might not be able to manipulate and could cause him to lose the game.

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Oh! I didn't even think of that. So true! It's even more devious, then.

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@ carpetfibers, Hello!

I do think though that you are right. I do think that she did read DY right, both times. She changed her words when she didn't want to be eliminated (when she was in the booth) but in the end, as she said, "she saw it right." I would love it, if her words are used (brought back or mentioned somehow, even in voice over), in a later ep. to show how right she was about DY. I do think she touched a nerve, and yes, as dab also said, she might be hard to manipulate. Both of you guys are right.

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I just finished watching episode 8! Kang Do Young is the evilest of the evils. He's so far the best villain that I've come across Kdrama's. Who is really KDY?

Can't wait for the next episode! :)

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I KNOW RIGHT!!! I was freaking out watching episode 8!!!! So freaking intense. I love Shin Sung Rok as Kang Do Young

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Super intense! that part when HWJ and KDY were tossing coin. My heart is I cannot contain my feels. Hahaha

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I LOVE SSR as KDY as well. I loved him in YFAS, and I love him (more) here as well. I hope playing this character will continue to open doors for him (not that they are closed or anything. Between his theater roles and TV roles [and hopefully movies], I hope he will continue to be busy).

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@ Jeane, Hello!

And I am loving how SSR is embodying KDY, the touches (subtle, and not so subtle) that he gives him. SSR has settled into this character well, don't you think? I also love that he is not a one dimensional villain. One, as Heads said in a previous recap, who sits around, twirling his mustache with superficial and easy to understand plans to do evil. Understanding and figuring out KDY takes using some brain cells, with the hope that we will still have some of those at the end of the drama (at least, that is how I feel :-) ).

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@ Ivore, Hi!

The spirit says that I agree with you (imitating Fortuneteller Pippi). KDY really suits SSR. He's the best villain ever! I wonder what is really KDY’s motive in making the game.

How am I supposed to wait for Episode 9??? ㅠ_ㅠ

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@ Jeane,

I am so relieved that the spirit told you that it is OK to agree with me :-) Awwww, Fortuneteller Pippi is gone. I shall miss her (a little bit). I did like the character, and the actress playing her, so eccentric, so different and unique. That is one of the things I actually like about the contestants: how different they are (in their professions, personalities, etc...) and the actors and actresses behind them portray them well, giving them some personality and flavor. I LOLed at many of Fortuneteller Pippi's antics, however I do have to say that she was entertaining, wasn't she?

Also, there was something in the way she fell to the ground, when she heard her name, and how desperate she looked, as she was being dragged out. And then when she said her last lines, with conviction, hum... I am really hoping that we will get to see what she meant (and I think we will), though I have to say that it left me curious. Did KDY had an "owner" in the past? (Ep. 8 might tell us more? I am trying not to spoil those who have not seen it yet, and since this is the recap for ep.7, I want to stay focused on ep.7), And if he did, did that owner go bankrupt (as Beeper Guru said)? So many questions...

About this, "I wonder what is really KDY’s motive in making the game." I am thinking that the writer will reveal that at some point. I hope the writing will stay good until the last minute of the last ep. Remember that KDY had said that his motives were noble? (he said that to PD Lee) I guess we will find out, won't we? Also, I think that KDY needs longer pants. I personally think he would look better in them.

How are you supposed to wait for ep.9? I agree with you. I too wished the drama was over so I could marathon it, though I wouldn't understand much (of the games) I don't think. Maybe you could rewatch the previous episodes? I felt so bad for DG when he was being beaten up. Poor DG. I wonder if he was possibly being followed when Pres. Bae went into his office. His coming back to the office was so timely that it makes me wonder.

Also, I was confused about what happened with Jaime. I thought she had voted for DY, but no? Wasn’t Jaime in DY’s camp from the beginning? Was she an indep. in the 1st vote? I am confused. I can see why she would be an indep. in the 2nd vote, after DY’s 1st pledge, which led to no money for the contestants. Was that what she was upset about?

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I totally love episode 8! So intense. Kang Do Young creeped the hell out of me! SSR is just perfect. Just wow.

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Thx so much for the recap, Heads! I've been waiting for your recap b/c i know that watching the episodes without it leaves me hopelessly lost regarding the rules of the game. They really stretch my neurons thin, but once i get it, it's fun. hee-hee…

Aside from that, DY is really baiting WJ again to agreeing that DY be a part of the game. Does this mean he'll continue to be a member of the game rather than an MC in the next round? If so, then WJ has finally met his match. They're both geniuses and master manipulators.

I gotta say that i love, love, love WJ's brief smiles in this episode at what DJ says or do in this episode. It just kills me. I look forward to more.

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Join the club! I adore that visible softening in his eyes when he speaks to her, this is one pairing I really can't get enough of so I'm super worried for what next week's preview is going to indicate.

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SSR is just perfect. He is the highlight of the drama for me. I can't help but root for Do Young to win this game. I mean, the team of do-gooders are interesting but Do Young is on another level. He's super charming with his combination of slickness, evilness, and resourcefulness. Who knew watching someone be terrifyingly manipulative can be so exciting.

Meanwhile, I do like that Da Jung is finally getting the hang of the game and is using her brains rather than being completely naive and sticking like glue to her ideals. I almost wanted to step through the screen and hug her when she chose to lie first as a strategy. Good job.

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Last night I tried and watched some old doramas and got this urged to open this drama title Three Daddies One Mommy. And and and Shin Sung Rok was there as one of the adorkable dady?! puahahaha. He was such a cutie back then! ohoo now he can act as the most evilest baddie/villain character in a drama!

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@ Half-Assed OTAKU,

Three Daddies and One Mommy was when I 1st saw SSR, 3 years ago. And yes, he WAS adorkable in that drama. Who KNEW he could play this evil? I didn't. I am sure glad to see his range, when it comes to acting.

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"One Mom, Three Dads" was the first drama I saw him in too! I really enjoyed the characters of that one even if the drama was a bit flat overall. Him as a derpy yet heart warming cop daddy was wonderful to behold.

It's such a huge contrast to the characters he's done the last couple of years. I didn't recognize him at first when he played the serial killer in "You Who Came from the Stars." His entire demeanor was completely different.

Even here as Host Do Young (love of my life), he's not the same. He plays the character with such devoted nuance that I'm never 100% sure what his true motives are.

I still don't want to peg him as evil yet. He strikes me as more of an antagonist but not a villain. He's manipulative but nothing he's done yet has truly struck me as evil.

In the end I think Do Young most definitely Aligns in the Chaos column but I can't tell what row.

There are three possibilities:

1.) Chaotic Good- His real enemy is the L Company but he's manipulating Dajung, Woo Jin, and the rest into being his pawns against the Company.

2.) Chaotic Evil- The L Company is bankrolling all his nefarious schemes and he really is just a villain working towards the interests of this corrupt company.

3.) Chaotic Neutral- Do Young is a third party who just wants to stir things up and manipulate people because he gets bored by mundane things like extreme sports and thermonuclear astrophysics.

Either way Hot-- I mean, Host Do Young is so lovely to watch as a wily mastermind that I simply don't mind being in the dark. Mattafact, I think I LOVE not knowing.

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On the topic of evil ... below is my post to DeeCee (Ep 6 recap, on 10 Nov, no. 54.1.1) about whether Do Young can be considered a villain.

"I guess the word ‘villain’ is just a catchall word to call someone the bad guy, ie the one to be warned against or to watch out for. Whether we can call a person a villain, depends on how we define ‘villain’.

If you mean he may not be a criminal, ie not out to commit a crime, then yes. He most probably will work within the law to get what he wants.

If we consider that he is manipulating people, reducing their choices, putting them under threat (from loan sharks for eg), that in itself is evil, regardless of the ends. Yes, we’ve heard how the ends do not justify the means. In this sense, he is an evil villain to me.

Add to that, his amusement at the suffering of others. Sadism is evil too.
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He seems to have a grandiose idea that his intentions are noble and higher than any personal ambition. This is actually scary. Did Hitler not have a similar ‘noble’ idea as well, and he sold it so well that a nation followed his lead. Whatever it is that is moving Do Young, he has no doubts about what he is doing and that he thinks he is has the right to do it, regardless of who gets hurt.

To me, being or siding with evil is being a villain. He may be out to uncover a truth, to achieve something he considers high and noble, but his method and lack of care for others makes him, simply put, the bad guy.

Even if there is some exposition or revelation to help us understand his character and empathize, it cannot make right, what is wrong or turn an evil into a good."

Mis-using his gift of intelligence, he has used persons as if they are objects and continues to tempt/manipulate them to betray, to give in to greed, to make them act out their baser natures to their chagrin and to his satisfaction. Sounds a lot like the devil's job description.

Therefore I will posit that Do Young is evil. I hope that does not mean that he can never change for the better, but from what has been portrayed so far, it appears unlikely.

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@ GB *Hi btw :-) *

I really loved your post, especially the last two paragraphs. So. Well. Said (and said "beautifully" yes, pun intended :-) !!!!!) I too do think DY is evil, even his laugh is evil (though I love it), and he believes his own illusions, which makes him scary *Shivers!*

Here are a few things that occurred to me while I watched the ep. I was wondering if they occurred to you as well:

1-I thought about this, b/c we discussed DG's use of cars in a previous ep (5 or 6). Was I the only one who wondered where DG gets his cars? The one he drove at the mall, and now this one. This car was a different car, did he rent it? Buy it? (I am still assuming the car in ep. 1 was his boss). And the car is this ep. is a nice one too.

2--When Bulldog kept saying that DG's character was overlapping with his, do you know what he meant? I didn't fully understand that. Did he mean that they were both gangsters? LOL

3-There was also this line, which was apparently an insult: "you 1/2 eaten bowl of soup like bastard" Would you know why (that is considered an insult)?

4-They said in the drama that DY overreached. How?

5-About 14mns in (when DG sneaks into Predt Bae's office), DG says "It’s so obvious b/c I am not there" And I couldn't help but wonder, what was obvious? The state of the office? (That would be the only thing that would make sense to me). Your subs could also be different from mine.

6-While DG was fighting, he asked Bulldog, "Which family are you from?” Was it DG's way to imply that Bulldog had no manners, was not properly raised maybe? (I have gotten the feeling that it is a big deal in Korean society, to have manners). I know he was riling Bulldog up, however i was just curious about the expression.

7-Beeper Guru (fortunetelling lady) said that DY had a dog's fortune, which would be what? To only follow your master/owner? To be kicked? It looked like that got to DY as well. Maybe that happened to him in the past? (Being solely dependent on his owner).

This was a little thing, however I really liked how NDJ's celebrity status came with freebees. The other contestants got to enjoy some free drinks and food on the house (I was happy for her), and of course, that was PPL for the place.

Another thing that I found interesting was how even the visuals seemed to convey a message: DG did not look cut out for being a Prdtial candidate. At about 39mns and 5secs in, the 3 candidates stood on the platform, and DG looked the most ill at ease. His pants were too long, reinforcing the image (almost), that he did not belong there. DY looked the most dapper (of the three), and the most confident and in control, even during his speeches.

I don't know if you saw this, however at 48mns and 38secs in, DY looked different from that angle. It was an interesting shot, b/c he did not look evil there.

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Hey Ivoire :), Hi yourself and good to read you,

[Email's out btw.]
Thanks for your ever appreciative comments! When I read you, I realise how seldom the folks around me give compliments! So you just make my day :D

Questions...I'd like to know the answers of too.... but the subs from the site I use to watch, (which is not Dramafever or Viki, since they do not stream to my part of the world) are woefully inadequate, I'm beginning to realise!!

I did not see the dialogue you mentioned! :( I'll also need more time to re-watch certain parts, before I can say much about it. Anyway, I'll just skip to the little I got below:
1) Sorry, no clue.
2) Yes, Bulldog was not happy that both he and DG are both loan sharks, thuggish and of a similar mentality... was my take on it. He wanted to be unique in that group LOL!
3)Where/when was that insult in the show?
4)Same questions about overreached - where and when?
5)Yes the stuff on the table was probably rearranged or some things were either missing/too neat?
6)Have to re-watch this but yes, from what I've seen, it is a big deal in Korean society.

There is clear respect for all elders, there's of course the need to speak in chundemal when people do not know each other well or when a younger person/junior speaks to a senior and there is a great emphasis on showing gratitude and taking blame/apologising (or broadly in being humble).

7) I gotta re-watch!
Ditto re-watch for the rest of your comments.

Watching Do Young, I was wondering which of his expressions were genuine and which were an act. Was he ever fazed, shocked, worried? If he appeared that way, did he deliberately put on that look to deceive?

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Hello Growingbeautifully,
I loved your post about DY. He is evil. Though I have to admit I feel bad for him after the revelations at the end of episode 8.

P.S. SSR is acting the role very well. I like his acting here more than in YFAS, the only other drama I have watched him in.

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Hi Lin_K
Thanks for your response. Yes, we may become more understanding of his character in time, but not approving,... however, am always hopeful. The perfect arc for all evil characters is that they have the chance to change and that they take it,... but in DY's case, I won't hold my breath.

SSR has the perfect look for inhuman villain characters, but he was really human and likeable in Trot Lovers. It was not that bad a show, if you want to take a shot, and worth it to see SSR in a different role and Jung Eun Ji singing. :)

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@ theravennest, Hello!

Are you the one who posts comments on viki during the LG episodes? I have seen your screen name and your funny comments. I have also seen other commenters ask where you are, in the first 15 or 20mns of an ep., when they don't see your comments. Apparently, many people enjoy them, and they would write things like, "wait until theravennest sees this (or I can't wait to see what she says about this)" :-)

About this, "He plays the character with such devoted nuance that I’m never 100% sure what his true motives are."
I have said it earlier, I really like how SSR has settled into this role, and I agree with you that his portrayal is different from his character in YFAS. I really like the devilish laugh he had in this ep., and he has a look in his eyes, when he challenges HWJ. You usually see it better when his head is tilted some (tilted lower). I love that look. I am not always sure how to interpret it, but I love it. And his eyeroll, priceless! And he did have an aegyo voice (for a few secs.) when he told HWJ that he was too suspicious, the tone of his voice changed. That was so interesting (and also a precious moment), to hear him speak in that tone of voice.

You speak of the L Company as if it still exits. I thought it didn't, since HWJ brought it down. Also, remember that scene where HWJ went to that office and saw a piece of paper with the L Company logo on it? That office was empty, and it seemed that important info had been shredded. Do you think the company still exits?

You know, there was something that occurred to me, and I was wondering if you felt the same (since I know that you watch LG on viki):

1-When DY was having his verbal exchange with HWJ, it seemed as if he said something after " of course I know you," and that was not translated (not on viki). Because you see DY say two sentences, clearly the 1st one is "of course I know you," however the 2nd one is left blank (no subs), and that sentence is a few words long. I watched the ep. yesterday, and it was supposed to be 100% subbed, so I am not sure what to think. Did you notice that? (I was just curious).

2-I also wondered what DG meant when he said, “he used to be on that side, now he is on the other side.” This was around 9mns in, when DG was talking to HWJ. Do you think he meant "when he was representing the loan sharks (being on that side)? And now he was defending those who owe money? (the way he defended and protected NDJ from her creditors?) I was puzzled about that, and I wondered if it might have been the other way around.

It's nice to see you here...

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Hope you don't mind if I answer!

1 - DY said "Of course I know you, You're quite famous now."
Clearly sidestepped the question, which was a bit disappointing.

2 - I think he meant that he used to collect money from others, and how he's preventing them from doing so, thus he's on the debtor, as opposed to the creditor's side. Hope that helps! :D

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@ Shalini,
Please always feel free to jump in and answer my questions. I am just posting them, but anyone can answer them, really. I am just interested in the answers and in the discussions/conversations we are having.

Btw, did you see Angel Eyes, Shalini? LSY is in it, and he is sooooo adorable (and charming). If you like him here, you *might* like him there.

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is there any award for the 'best villain' in a drama? SSR would snatch that award right away. he is the best!

and to those who criticise LSY before, i bet u know now u r totally wrong. he cannot be Akiyama, because he is Ha Woo Jin.

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Lolol exactly. I love our Woo Jinie

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our woo jinnie is the most wanted puppy ever!

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after watching the eps..

Me : oh.my. GOD!!

Do Young : someone's calling ME?

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That was brilliant xD

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the cliffhanger at the end of episode 8 though! How am I supposed to wait until next week after that TT I was actually squealing out of fear and excitement when I was done watching. I cannot waittttt for next ep, it's going to be amazing.

Also I nominate SSR for best villain as well. I don't think i've ever experienced both attraction and fear for a villain before haha.

LSY is as always flawless. His acting for the coin game was sooo good. I was actually scared about what would happen if he lost. I really felt for him losing for the first time and that's because he plays his character so well. I just have one (very shallow I know) wish before this show ends...can we have a brooding shower scene with LSY? Pleaseee! haha ._.''

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Episode 8 was so intense and great. And the cliffhanger!! There's even no preview for the next episode ahhh it kills meeee

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It really is soooo intense! The toss coin part, I love it! I was waiting for the preview for Ep 9, but there's none.

Next Episode please be fast!!! :)

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IKR! Such a tease!

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There actually it one! Here's the link: https://www.facebook.com/tvNliargame?fref=nf
It's the first video down there.
I'm actually super worried for our OTP.

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I felt for WJ when he lost the game. It must be feel really bad to be defeated for the first time. But because he is the hero, we can be sure that he will come back even stronger!

DY's scene in front of the mirror made me feel scared and sad for him simultaneously! I can't imagine someone turning children into sociopaths/psychopaths just to prove some stupid scientific theory! It makes me mad! If DY is actually trying to help WJ to uncover the real culprits behind the game/the death of WJ's mother/experiments, I hope they can win this fight together.

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It must feel really bad* Sorry about the typo.

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I am sorry for the spoiler. I forgot that this was the recap of episode 7 only. I can't edit the comment to add a spoiler alert; otherwise I would have. I'm sorry.

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This was a great episode especially episode 8 is just wow like omg can't wait for its recaps! Kang Do Young creeped the hell out me!

Too bad we only have 4 episodes left and its just getting better and better. Ahhhh cant wait for next week but I dont want it to end :(

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I can't figure out the math of the summation at the start of ep7 though.....shouldn't 500k + 250k + 300k = 1.05 million instead of 1.5 million??

LSY totally rocks!!!

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I think the translation in Viki said 1.05. I don't remember well though.

Yes, LSY totally rocks!! Love him!

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Hear hear!

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Watching raw and I feel like I'm getting dumber and dumber with each game rule and It seems like all that math games. ..hahhaha....

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Finally, an episode after the pilot that I didn't fastforward. I like the last episodes but I always skip the scenes because the games were the same in the Japanese version so I already know all the twists and turns.

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I have the same sentiments with you about the games being predictable because it's the same in the J-version. But I think this president game was not in the j-version? Am I right? I actually really enjoyed it! Soo good. :D

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Yes the president game was not in the j-drama and manga.

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First time commenting here!

KDY is a genius villain. You can't even hate him because he's soo intriguing! Jamie looks better and better every episode and LSY just charms you every time he gives a slight smile here! :)

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Even though Da-Jung has that worried look on her face all the time, somehow, to me, she doesn't come across as so dumb or annoying that i want to throttle her and yell at her to get some guts. And in this episode she's showing she's using her head! so proud of her :)

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Thanks Heads! You cleared up a puzzle I had about the relevance of the money used in the game. The subs I had totally did not explain what it meant.

Quoting you here, "And it’s not even so much that whatever plan we’re watching play out has been years in the making, but that Do-young can read people to such an extent that he can accurately predict their behavior to the letter. How else could he have made sure that the stars would align perfectly to get Woo-jin into the game if he hadn’t gone and moved each star by hand long before anyone would even think to look up? But even so, how could he have been so sure that everything would work out exactly as he planned? I’m not even being rhetorical with that question, I legitimately have no idea how someone could flawlessly execute a plan that seemingly relies on people to act exactly how you think they will. Over such a long span of time, no less."

This is similar to what I was asking since a couple of episodes ago. How did he get all the pawns into the game at this opportune time, without their being aware of it and through means that seemed serendipitous?

I was always stuck on the point that Woo Jin could have missed the broadcast of the Liar Game introducing Da Jung when he was in jail, he could have just ignored Da Jung, or he could have decided to be hard-hearted and not bother about helping her.... What made Do Young so sure that he would be in the game with him? How did he guarantee it so that he could go ahead with creating and staging the game?

So chilling....

Before this episode I was thinking, well, maybe Do Young only had 50% of the game set out (bringing in people linked to L Company) and was going to improvise along the way, and only when Woo Jin made an appearance, did Do Young put an added improvised plan into action, to ensure that Woo Jin stayed in the game.

But I'm not so sure anymore.... he seems to have it in for Woo Jin for some reason which I truly hope will be well explained by the end of the show!!

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Will be back to read this later. Gotta go watch ep.8 subbed (fully I hope), to be able to comment in ep.8 recap.

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I'm still really confused regarding the whole money thing! Grrrr. Half the time, I zone out because I'm trying to do some mental calculations in my head to no avail.

Can someone please let me know why Da Jung won $300k in the Layoff game? Didn't she win $2.7mil and split it amongst the contestants? If so, shouldn't it say $250k? If the rule that the show was trying to explain earlier in this episode is that any money assigned during the game is irrelevant once the game ends, does that mean that everyone who got through to the next round received $300k, which would mean that Director Jang technically didn't get the money he needed to pay off his debt (unless the contestants willingly shelled out $50k each once the game had ended). AANNNNDDDD where is the bonus money that Da Jung should have received for winning the Layoff game? GAAAARRRHHHH I DON'T KNOW.

I should stop watching this for my mental health but I can't stop! Freaking love SSR in this, he is such a delectable villain, I don't know anybody that can do creepy as well as him, holy moly!

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Ooh! I didn't think of this. Director Jung can use money that Da-Jung won, but she will have to pay this money back if she loses/can't continue in the Liar Game. This means her debts are piling up!

I'm not sure, but I think Da-Jung won more than $2.7 mil from the Layoff game. Not only did she distribute the money collected from the other participants, she paid Director Jung's debts from the earlier rounds while not leaving herself enough money to exit Liar Game.

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I almost drop this drama since it's quite confusing in the beginning (with all of the game's rules are not properly established). But dayum, ep 7 and 8 really win me over. It's like a remake that not really a remake! This Liar Game has established themselves as a drama with its own merit. It's getting darker, intense, and engaging. Absolutely love SSR with his KDY portrayal. Perfect villain that I can admire from a far (due to his intelligence) but not enough to make me want to be on his way (shiver!)

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Whew! I finally managed to get my thoughts on Episode 7 down. I simultaneously dread and anticipate the next episode, because I adore this drama but don't want it to end. Why, when it's so rare for a such a good show to even exists, does it have to end so soon!
Please let there be an extension!
http://anunstoppablesun.wordpress.com/2014/11/12/thoughts-on-episode-7-of-liar-game/

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Is this ten or twelve episodes? I keep seeing different info.

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I believe it's twelve as the drama that follows this is premiering on December 1st. It's just too bad there aren't more episodes!

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cute actress

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does anyone else feel like they will just about faint from the tension with the scenes between Woo Jin and Do Young

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"because replacing Do-young with Director Jang is like replacing a flavorful soda with caffeine free Coke Zero—sure, they’re both drinkable, but only one is good."
LOL! Anyone whose tastebuds have dissipated can smell the difference, lol.

Do-Young wears that mask really well. Not spoiling part 2, boy I can't wait until Woo-Jin finds the neuron that can tap him.

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With all the weird plot twists in this drama, I think the worst and most shocking plot twist is yet to come. I have a feeling that Kang Do Yong might turn out to be the good guy in the end. There were bits and pieces the drama cleverly concealed about Nam Da Jong. They never showed what Da Jong was doing on her phone when they were spying on her ex-teacher. She tried to hide her phone from Woo Jin. I think that was a big clue. I keep thinking, what if Nam Da Jong and Kang Do Yong are in this together to take revenge from Ha Woo Jin?

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that would differ too greatly from the original version and manga

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Hi Ash!

They actually did show what she was doing :P She was scrolling through netizen comments on her articles. One of them had written this:
"She doesn't need money to pay off her dad's debt. She's had plastic surgery."
Thus, an indignant Nam Da Jung typed away one her phone (she was replying to the comment) saying:
"That's not it, she-"
Then HWJ enters, and she freaks out, not wanting to show him the comment xD Quite amusing.

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Oh thank you for that Shalini! I didn't know. Now I understand her reactions better. I always wondered why she didn't want to show her phone to HWJ (and he probably wondered too). That bit was funny.

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This show blows my mind - did not see a lot of this coming. For those wondering why HJW was confident/overconfident, it does explain it in the second half of ep 8 but I'll leave that for the next recap since I don't want to spoil it. I love a lot of these actors and characters, especially Do Young, Da Jung, Woo Jin and Dal Goo. I like a lot of the players too and the PD, and pretty much everyone. It's so interesting. I've never been this anxious and fully into the episode as I am with this drama. I wish it was longer!

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This drama is so good! I loved that Dal-goo could finally participate, and that Do-young had masterminded his own entry into the game. That guy is really scary!

Thanks for the recap!

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Okay, anyone still reading this re-cap....can someone please explain to me how Woo Jin is still in the game as a participant in this round?

In the last game - the stars one - I'm sure he wasn't playing (hence he had to sneak in and become Da Jung's "belonging" in order to stay). So how is it he's suddenly become a participant in this one? Or am I wrong and he's still just tagging along with Da Jung?

Someone please help!

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Yes, you're right. He was exempted from the shopping mall game because he had won the game before that. So he was able to come in as Da Jung's "dog". Now he's back to being a regular player.

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Thank you - I read some other caps and realized what happened...that the star/mall game was kind of a "sub" game to round 2 - and now they're all back in for round 3 - president game.

I swear, this is definitely more complicated and not as neatly laid out as the japanese version!

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I just can't believe there's a day I see a batik shirt on a Korean gangster, a long-sleeve one at that. We wear those to formal and special occasions like wedding receptions. :D

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