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Odd and Ends: Occupational hazards

girlfriday: You know, I never thought recapping would be back-breaking work, but as it turns out, it can literally break your back.

javabeans: Or in other cases, your hip. Apparently my body decided this week that it was done enabling me to sit for hours on end watching dramas… in that it refused to let me sit.

girlfriday: Which is kind of necessary for the recapping. Is it a sign from the universe to stop recapping so much?

javabeans: Maybe it was. Of course, rather than stop recapping, I just decided to stop sitting, which was starting to become excruciating. I jerry-rigged myself a standing desk situation, because right now the only positions I can hit are completely vertical, or completely horizontal. Nothing bendy.

girlfriday: That’s a sad story. Also a funny visual, not to laugh at your pain.

javabeans: Laughing is better than crying. But it’s hardly like I’m the only one with creaky bones. I feel like every winter, we’re asking each other for home remedies and painkiller recommendations.

girlfriday: Yes, I’m an encyclopedia of ways to kill muscle aches. You know it’s bad when you’d feel so much better if you went to get a massage, but you don’t have the time to go get a massage.

javabeans: You know, I used to think that tiredness would always be the thing preventing me from recapping more — as in, you work until you can’t keep your eyes open any longer. However, age is finally catching up to both of us, because now it’s the body that’s the first to give out, whether it’s necks, shoulders, backs, eyes, migraines, or asses.

girlfriday: The hardest part is that any sane person would just cut back on the amount of work, but we happen to really love what we do. Sometimes I wish I were a lawyer.

javabeans: No you don’t. Don’t lie.

girlfriday: Okay, I really don’t. It’s just that hatred for my job would come in handy right about now.

javabeans: When dramas are your passion and your job, it’s really hard to enforce self-discipline and tell yourself to walk away, because it’s also the thing you’d do for leisure when your job is done.

girlfriday: This is actually the downside of getting to turn your hobby into your work. Not that I would trade it; it’s just a thing we have to learn to manage.

javabeans: We’ve tried to step in to be accountable for each other, but that just makes me feel like a hypocrite when I tell you to walk away, and then keep doing it myself.

girlfriday: You’re the worst at that.

javabeans: I won’t argue that, except am I worse than you? Really?

girlfriday: This week we really hit the breaking point — javabeans was in so much pain she had to recap standing up.

javabeans: Standing up was no problem, but not being able to sit at all was a nightmare. Still, you had to recap Secret Door, so I think we’re even. Okay, I recapped it too, but you got the episode where I was yelling at my screen, “Oh my god why are you so boring.

girlfriday: Omg, it was SO BORING.

javabeans: That drama isn’t doing well and nobody’s watching it, but we have actually enjoyed recapping it for the intellectual exercise. However, this week really tested our limit because it felt like it was actively making all the most boring choices, and then if those were too interesting, swapping them out for even more boring choices.

girlfriday: If such choices even existed. I mean, Secret Door is pretty dry to begin with, on a good day. We like it because it has stellar acting (and we actually do like the politicking), but it’s not sexy.

javabeans: Not even a little. I don’t need my dramas to be super titillating, but on the sexy scale we’re maybe at glimpse of ankle, or lacy wrist cuff. No payoff, basically. It’s such a shame since Lee Je-hoon and Han Seok-kyu are so amazing.

girlfriday: I know, and I can think of a million ways this drama COULD have been amazing. It really does break my heart because Lee Je-hoon is THAT good in it.

javabeans: Oh my god, if he weren’t in this drama we… wouldn’t be having this conversation in the first place. We would’ve been out after Episode 1. The really puzzling thing is, you take this dark, gory, scintillating, mysterious slice of history… and THIS is what you do with it? You have to work really hard to make Sado boring.

girlfriday: AND YET… we have Secret Door.

javabeans: Where your secret door is either a metaphor or a freaking LIBRARY.

girlfriday: Okay, that library reveal did crack me up though. The thing is, I did actually like the show until the time jump (in Episode 14), and then everything went to hell… no, snoresville. Hell would’ve been more exciting.

javabeans: The drama isn’t BAD. I’m going to keep watching it even though we’re dropping recaps — it’s more that recapping was getting frustrating, and timing-wise, things just came together this week to push us toward the decision, even though we hate dropping anything. If it had only been an issue of a drama turning yawny, we would honestly have just stuck with it. But with actual physical impediments cropping up and a really busy slate, it seemed the wise thing to do.

girlfriday: That’s the rub with all drama recapping schedules — we’d love to be able to make decisions about shows in a vacuum based on how good they are, but it’s actually far more about timing.

javabeans: It’s a lot like love that way. The thing is, we may have recapped thousands of episodes but I still take every show as a learning experience, and try to let that inform future decisions. For instance, I don’t necessarily regret taking on a 50-episode weekend family drama because I actually learned a lot from covering You’re the Best, Lee Soon-shin… but one of the things I learned was that I won’t do another 50-episode drama.

girlfriday: And here I am thinking that 24-episode dramas are too long.

javabeans: They are long. But I always think that I can find a way to get around the length issue. Like, for instance, there were 123 episodes of High Kick 3, but I reasoned that they were very good, and short, and recapped in capsule format… yet that is also another format I will never do again. It’s just that you never know until you try.

girlfriday: The thing we actually have to learn and re-learn every single time is where the limit is, how to keep recapping a show that’s gone downhill, how critical to be without being unproductive, and how to find the positive angles that keep us going.

javabeans: Right. On one hand, covering shows that we don’t love does add diversity to our voice, and it’s not a bad thing to have more critical commentary. On the other hand, as the person breaking down on a weekly basis, it’s too much work to put so much time and effort into something that doesn’t give me enjoyment. So just as a natural process, over the years I’ve gravitated towards shows that make me happy. Because who wants to actively court things that make us unhappy?

girlfriday: Crazy people?

javabeans: That’s a bad argument, because can you really say you’re not crazy?

girlfriday: Well no, not after we’ve just given everyone proof of how crazy we are. You’d think it wouldn’t take that many years of recapping to come up with: Do what makes you happy. But better late than never?

javabeans: See, you CAN teach an old dog new tricks!

girlfriday: Go fetch!

javabeans: Fuck you.

 
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Get well soon, Javabeans! Please do get plenty of rest. Same goes for Girlfriday. Work can only be fun if your bodies are up for it.

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Hi javabean! Besides being a drama addict I am also a PT. It sounds like you might have a slipped disc... I would recommend you go see your MD...hope you feel better!

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Take it from me, living in the world's densest concentration of lawyers--nothing's worse than being a lawyer. They sit down all day without any images of So Ji Sub or Kim Woo Bin to look at.

I hope your hip feels better soon, JB! Supposedly couches and armchairs are the most dangerous objects in our homes. In a long-term heart disease way, not a short-term Chihuahua biting your ankles way. Unfortunately, I've tried watching dramas standing up and it just doesn't feel the same...

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I don't know - I'm a lawyer and I actually managed to look at quite a lot of pictures of So Ji Sub today!

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I'm a lawyer and it's not fun to hate your job--which I do sometimes. K-dramas help . . . A LOT.

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Agreed! I don't think being a lawyer would solve Girlfriday's problem....especially because lawyers at corporate law firms are NOT known for having the option to cut back on their workload just because they don't love their work. If I had a dollar for every time I thought "Partner X, can you NOT give me 4 more hours of work so I can go home and watch my kdramas?" I wouldn't need to work for a corporate law firm anymore :P

As for muscle aches/back problems, as a fellow sufferer, I will offer my two cents. Although it seems counterintuitive, I found that exercising regularly and doing yoga stretches helps me with muscle aches and back problems. I guess it prevents me from feeling as stiff as I would otherwise, sitting in front of a computer all day. So although once you're actually in so much pain you can't move, it sounds like terrible advice, I find it works in a prophylactic way?

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Yoga almost kills me for some reason, pretty inflexible I guess - but my husband who has back problems, never misses a day of his stretching and it's really worked for him. I'll second you on the regular exercise. I hated exercising -- I am by nature a sit-in-a-comfortable-chair-with-coffee-and-a-good-book kind of girl, but about 18 months ago the hip pain from my sedentary job was making me feel ancient and incapacitated. I started moving around every hour or so and then walking 30-40 minutes every day after I finished work. Within about six weeks, the pain was gone, no doctor bills and no pain meds. I wouldn't have believed it if it hadn't happened to me.

Good luck with whatever remedies you try JB!

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I have a question for the recappers. Since this is your business, does it prevent you from actually enjoying dramas? Do you ever just kick back and watch k-dramas for fun, or does it just always start feeling like work, even with dramas you enjoy? Curious.

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Recapping can sometimes change the way I watch a drama, sometimes making it more enjoyable and sometimes less. Secret Door is actually a drama that was enhanced by the process of recapping (it got me to think in detail about all the political movements and power dynamics), while I think Heirs would have been more fun just watching, because I could have turned a blind eye to what frustrated me rather than actively describing it.

We are always watching things outside of what we're covering, and those I get to enjoy as a viewer, like Misaeng and Liar Game and Birth of a Beauty. So it goes both ways.

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JB,

Feel better soon!

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I think it would suck to begrudgingly continue watching a drama you know you hate because you have to recap them. After recapping an episode, my comment would probably be like.. "Umm.. I fell asleep a few time so it took me a while to finish this episode. Nothing happened this episode." lol

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Great ending- LOL.
I really feel bad that Secret Door isn't going well, though I am watching it in a very slow pace and will probably never finish it. ♥♥♥♥Lee Je-hoon♥♥♥♥ though.

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Javabeans & Girlfriday ,
Even if you recap a korean tom & jerry *yeah it doesn't exist* I will still enjoy reading it ♡♡♡♡♡
Just as long as you are safe and sound :)))
Please rest for a plenty of time

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Maybe sageuks just aren't your cup of tea? From the ratings and general response it seems like it's just me, but I don't find Secret Door boring. I mean, it's no Conspiracy in the Court, and it's not what I thought it would be--it gets lost in the weeds too much...but, I think it's one of the better fusion sageuks I've seen, as a political thriller. I'm really happy to have an in-depth look at the Noron and Soron for once, and it's doing an excellent good job showing the systemic violence of the Confucian system, and the fear that generates. I guess you just have to find toadies entertaining in themselves to enjoy it, though--if Kim Taek, Hong Gye-hee, Park Moon-soo (RIP), etc, felt like filler to me, I think it would be hard to watch. I do agree this past week took a dip, but the first half had a few exceptional episodes, writing-wise, and the acting as you say has been excellent (though there's not enough Han Suk-gyu for my liking). Even if you aren't recapping anymore, though, I'm glad you guys are sticking it out for the ending. I have a feeling it might pick up now that it's probably entering the last plot arc (which if it has any sense will focus on Yeongjo and Sado).

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It's hard to generalize genres this way. There have been several good sageuks in the past that explore political conspiracy and intrigue, but stay "sexy" and exciting, as JB and GF describe. A few I can name are Tree with Deep Roots, Princess' Man and Chuno (which I haven't actually watched but I've heard is good).

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Chuno is ONLY good in the first half, IMO…after that, it makes me want to choke somebody...

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JB, GF please GWS!! And I second that Yoga opinion, it helps a whole lot! (that, and sleeping on a very hard surface instead of a comfy bed…I actually healed from having a pinched back nerve by sleeping on the floor)

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I voted for sleeping on hard surface to straighten the back.
I replaced the top spring mattress with the door and a thin mattress, no spring!

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I get what you're trying to say--and I love those dramas too!--but I can't help but feel that the problem may be rooted in genre, even if the problem isn't the genre in itself. Does that make any sense? Sorry, I know I'm not being very clear, I'll try to explain.

Chuno was more like a twenty hour long action movie (with an extremely dysfunctional love story at its core), while The Princess's Man was first and foremost a love story wrapped up in a revenge story (though I'll agree that the first half of that drama had some of the best intrigue I've seen). Tree With Deep Roots is the most similar to Secret Door, but even that had added noire-ish elements like Hidden Root, and Jang Hyuk + action to balance out Han Suk-gyu + hangul. And on the whole I think it was just a better drama than Secret Door.

Secret Door, on the other hand, is a drama that takes place almost entirely within the parameters of court politics, and kind of fails with the sexier aspects of fusion. The storylines and characters outside the palace stagnated once the investigation was over, and the investigation in itself became a facet of ~moar intrigue!! Plus the love lines are peripheral to the main narrative. Which means, despite the extreme liberties it takes with history, what works best in this drama is its core as a sageuk--political intrigue, toadies, more toadies, more political intrigue. What's more, is that it's ending up more as a comprehensive statement on the systemic violence of the court and how that pits father and son against each other, than a character study of Sado and Yeongjo. So the best part of this drama--and imo it is exceptional--is the part of the genre that people find least accessible and least exciting. So while I'm loving it, I'm guessing that I don't have a lot of company in that regard.

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Agree!

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Sageuks all have one thing in common. There's always a scene where there's a bunch of old dudes having a long meeting. That and zero product placement.

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I've noticed that you guys have been more and more open about blogging being your (probably full-time?) job in recent years, but your blog (to my delight) has not been flooded with ads at all. How does this blog generate income for you? I doubt if it'd be difficult since you're so popular, but I am just genuinely curious. Despite all these occupational hazards you mentioned, it still seems like a pretty sweet job to me :D

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Ugh, ads. I hate ads, but they are such a necessary evil. I feel like we already have a lot but I also feel like we need more, although they aren't very lucrative. It's a constant source of stress for us.

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I totally appreciate the recaps that you guys do here on this website but I am genuinely curious how busy you guys are considering that other people recap other dramas and you guys are doing one, or two at most with alternating, so it takes up two or three days out of the week. I can imagine the pain of sitting and writing a thorough recap as you do, but you also have the freedom to take your time throughout the day and rest. If this is your full time job then it's quite nice to watch what you like but not always recap everything since you have help.

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It's really full time. See http://www.koreatimesus.com/dramabeans-guardian-of-the-k-drama-galaxy/

At the moment, the locations and content of the ads don't bother me at all and I hope they stay that way.

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They are a necessary evil! I like how the ads on this blog are minimal and to the side, so it doesn't bother me at all, although I feel like for your sake maybe I should click them? Haha. I did learn that ads weren't lucrative which is why I am surprised that you two were able to do this full-time. Pretty awesome! Would love to hear more about your experience running a big blog like this as well as going to give talks at different places :)

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I'm actually very pleased with the fact that dramabeans is not littered with big annoying advert scattered everywhere like some of the other recap website I follow (none of which I check on daily basis. Let alone refreshing it multiple times a day like Dramabeans^.^)

So knowing your thought about ads kinds of explain the relatively "clean" dramabeans that I love :)

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I hope you're getting better soon JB. Most of the time I don't realize that I'm actually aging until my body starts to remind me.

I don't watch Secret Door so I've no idea how boring it is but 'mI always leaning towards a drama that makes me really happy. Light, fluffy kind of drama that guarantees a lot of giggling and squeeing. A happy ending and pretty faces are a must.

I still wonder why I love the Greatest Marriage though, that drama doesn't make me really happy. I found myself spending more time reviewing about characters I loath. But you won't ever find it boring. You might scream at your screen a lot but never because it's boring

But thanks God for the Birth of Beauty! It's so full of cuteness, silliness and the pretties that it has become my crack. Joo Sang Wook looks so delicious that I don't even mind when that drama is heading towards a dark path.

So yes, to make recapping easier it's better to avoid boring dramas and goes to one where you could drool and say saranghae every time the male lead is on screen.

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Just be careful about your back. I say all day (10-12) hours for a year and got a herniated disk that's been bothering me since then and had to quit my job as it progressed to not being able to stand either

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Ouch! What do you do for a living then?

Seriously, good health is an asset which value people do not appreciate until they start to lose it. I had a health scare last year, which made me feel outraged and bitter that I'd been wasting my life with career choices that please everyone except me.

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I feel your hip pain! I work from home and now use a trekdesk so I can walk while I work. I use it to walk and watch tv too. I don't need to visit the chiropractor nearly as often now!

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Pain recommendation: chiropractor, physical therapy, massage, ergonomics, etc, whatever floats your boat! :) We sure enjoy reading what you ladies share! Be sure to (attempt to) take care of yourselves!

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It's a blessing and a curse to make money doing what you love. I write, always loved it, but when you're doing it for (very little) money...somehow it becomes different, so I can empathize. I can also empathize with issues that come from sitting for hours and hours at a time. Once your hip is better (and it will get better, because none of us will have it otherwise), my best advice is exercise. I know, trite. Seriously, muscle building and some light yoga has been what's eased my hip, back, knee, and neck troubles. Geez, I just read that list, and it looks like I'm falling apart! lol But in my defense, I've had hip issues since birth (no joking, since birth), so there's a library of things I've done. Experience has taught me exercise and heat are the best ways to ease pain, but you have to also build the muscles for support so you won't have issues so readily. Okay, off my mother hen soap box. Take care of yourself! And thank you, thank you for sacrificing for our enjoyment. :D

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Hi Javabeans and Girlfriday,
Thanks so much for your hard and dedicated work, and I'm sorry to hear that you're in so much pain. Yes our bodies just keep aging and if we don't hear the warning whispers, they speak up loud and clear with pain.

Please get well, take longish breaks, do only short bouts of work and whether it's sitting, standing or lying down, keep changing your position (re-straightening your back for eg.) every few minutes. Re-position to use more and different muscles or parts of the body.

Even with regards to your hands/wrist when you're on the keyboard/mouse ... keep changing your position slightly and rest your wrist or elbow when you type. I'm beginning to train myself to use my left hand to manage the mouse nowadays because my right feels so tired and strained and sometimes hurts. So before it gets worse.... I try to re-position.

All the best and take care!

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As someone recovering from surgery, I'm daily acquainted with body pain, so I can't help both hope you both get better soon. Bodily pain is no joke! And you guys make all of us feel so much better by keeping your blog up to date and interesting. But not at the expense of your health...please!

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For your hip, I recommend ibuprofen and ice packs, and for your wounded spirit (no sitting at the computer? Ouch.), some soothing tea/coffee, perhaps with a drop of whiskey in it. And lying on the couch with somebody feeding you grapes. Preferably a flower boy in really hip clothes.

Can you dictate your recaps and let somebody else do the typing while you recuperate?

::sending you get-better-soon vibes::

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Being in pain and out of commission is hard. I hope you feel better soon Javabeans.

Picture #2...Oh Dalja! :)

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It's time like this makes me feel guilty; we always take you guys for granted??
Get well soon...
I'm sure you guys are in front of the computers for hours( like the rest of us, hehe) .Please take breaks and use preservative free artificial tears to keep the eyestrains to the minimum ?
Thank you all again for all your hard work... Take care

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It's too bad, I feel like I can feel your pain. Get well soon JB! And keep stay healthy for GF and other dramabeans recappers!
I have tried to recap myself but it's time consuming and I still don't find the ways to make it concise and in shorter time. So I'm very grateful and thankful for what you're doing. You're the best Korean drama recappers.

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Hope you're feeling better soon! And knowing how horrible that kind of pain is, hopefully some of this might help:

If it's worth a trip to the Seattle area here's a great physical therapist.

http://www.olympicpt.com/therapists_bio.asp?pg=1&pdx=46&zdx=5

I have some sports injuries that resulted in back/neck problems. Doctors always said that I'd have to limit my sports activities and live with the pain. The therapist above was able to unravel what wasn't working right and get me completely healthy.

And a factoid worth keeping in mind for anyone who has a chronic migraine that doesn't respond to conventional treatment: Migraine symptoms can be caused by the trigeminal nerve in your neck. Not many doctors (even neurologists) consider this possibility.

I had a 'migraine' that lasted about 4 months. It was 4 months of pain throughout the day and being constantly woken up at night with a horrible recurring nightmare that I had just been shot in the head with a shotgun.

Local doctors (who are otherwise excellent) and then doctors at Mayo Clinic-Rochester couldn't figure out how to fix it. Went in for a visit at my PT (same clinic as above) to get help for my stiff neck. When I told him about the migraine symptoms, he diagnosed and fixed the cause that same session.

Hope the info is helpful to someone out there...

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Didn't the little sister in High School King of Savvy rig up a contraption to use her laptop lying down? I'd rather watch a drama lying down (in fact, I often do) instead of standing...

Hope you get better soon, and once you're able to sit, get a really good chair that provides the correct support!

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Oh gosh, I really hope you manage to work out the balance between work/enjoying work outside of work and taking care of your health. Yep, I know it's a cliche...but we can't buy health. So fit in those massages soon and Java, I wish you a speedy recovery! :)

p.s. LOVE the The Woman Who Still Wants to Marry screencap at the end...holy moly, that face hahaha, the badass Lee Shin Young.

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Everyone's said what I want to say... wish you (both?) a speedy recovery!

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Hope you get better soon! Sending you well wishes and hugs :)

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Ouch. Sorry, guys, it hurts to hear about your aches and pains and creaky bones (and that Reply 1994 pic, sniffle, will always make me think of you now). A heating pad, perhaps?

Is there a difference between a hobbyaholic and a workaholic?

Loving whatever you can peck out this week, or not, if giving it a rest will help.

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Get well soon Javabeans! And thanks ladies for all your hard work, your coverage of dramas and movies are invaluable to many of us in making choices about what to watch!

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I've been reading both of your recaps since in college. Now i am a mother of 2, i neeeedd the recaps when i dont get the chance to watch. :) love u guys!

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Okay, we need to get you girls a mini projector each so that you can project your dramas to the ceiling and watch them while lying in bed. This is for your drama addiction.

As for your recapping job and hip pain... Why not get some sleeping pills? More than simply reducing pain, you both sound overworked.

And how old are you?! I've never pegged you both as grandmas!

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Like the little projector Lee Seungi(Daegu Daegu) in 'You're all surrounded' had to watch his cartoons to fall asleep?

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Yes! That's exactly it!

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Javabeans, thanks so much for the recaps and feel better, soon! I encourage you to invest in mounting TV's in places that will help you take the stress off of your back (expensive, but maybe a work related tax write-off). I miss my old treadmill and my TV on the wall of my garage. I was never so fit as I was when watching a three hour Bollywood film and walking! I'd get sucked in and the time would fly. You might consider yoga stretches and exercises that strengthen the back. My chiropractor taught me an amazing stretch for my SI joint. Before I learned it, sometimes I would get out of my car and not be able to walk for a few minutes! Some of the headache cures might be found by looking up referred pain and getting a Theracane. It's like a back scratcher, but allows you to massage knots out of your back. Take it from someone who has been there (and started getting issues in my late 20's) - it only gets worse if you don't change things. On the positive side, change can be great. I learned to take care of myself and live healthier lifestyle. PS - You guys are always writing about forgetting to eat and go outside, but those things really affect your body, especially food related muscle cramps. Take care of yourselves! We want you guys around for a long time! Get more minions! :)

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Get well soon JB! We're grateful for everything that you, GF and the minions do :D!!

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Will dramabeans ever recap kdrama Pride and Prejudice? Even just a one time recap of episode 1?

It's a little weird because dramabeans seem to like Cho Jin Hyuk and Baek Jin Hee separately, plus the drama seems good and also doing good in Korea... So why not recap the drama Pride and Prejudice, even if it's just one time just to "introduce" it to kdrama viewing populace?

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I'm sure this comment doesn't come from a bad place, but JB and GF just talked about having to drop a drama because of health concerns...I'm sure they would've picked up P&P if they liked the drama or could

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After a certain amount of pining for P&P coverage, I've resigned myself to the fact that there are only 24 hours in a day. I'm doing P&P "uncaps" at my site and I've found a couple people doing longer, thorough recaps. So if you miss anything, they're out there.

But the quality of JB and GF's recaps is such that I will always wish for there to be more than 24 hours in a day! Time for you guys to watch your shows, share your smarts with us, and still get outside for a walk and some fresh air! Or if we can't have more hours in a day, maybe time travel?

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Get better soon - please don't neglect your health. Part of my enjoyment of dramas are the recaps on this site. I feel I get a more complete picture with the recaps as well as additional insights from the comments.

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thank you ladies for breaking your backs and hips for us... hope we haven't broken your hearts or banks for giving us this lovely website

you complete us; thank you :)

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get well soon!!

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Oh my...hope you feel better soon, jb!

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Get well JB! :)

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Its funny this happens the week I learn all about bone and joint diseases in med school..not that I could help you (at my stage) anymore than you could help yourself...anyways JB, take rest and get well soon, d owhatver you have to do to feel better first before pushing yourself to do more recaps and blog work...your (reasonable) readers, including myself will understand

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Get well soon. I find it a torture recapping dramas I don't enjoy and can only salute your professionalism. Since you have recruited so many minions, why not catch a break while you can. You can offer your thoughts and views from time to time, because surely that won't be as backbreaking.

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Oh my. Please rest and feel better soon! I've been having some pain buildup in my shoulders from long hours in front of the computer too, but I don't even write as much as you guys, nor have I been at it as long. I can only imagine how much pain you're in! Please take care! The rumors are true; health really does come before kdrama after all.. ;) Sending virtual massages and flower boys!

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Oh no I hope your back will get better soon, JB.

I started having back problems like a decade ago, though not v seriously, and it comes and goes throughout the years. I do recommend doing pilates hip roll at home since it does help relieve the back muscle and also strengthen it. All you need is a yoga mat.

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JB and GF get an X ray of ur back and neck. As GF mentioned as you grow older the pain takes time to go. If it is a muscle spasm painkillers will help. And maybe you could go for a massage. But if left prolonged and with not the correct sitting posture, your spinal column would get affected. Take care ladies - health is wealth.

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Oh no! Please, please take good care of yourself.
Part of me wishes that every drama I'm enjoying could be recapped here but I would rather you take a break from recapping and recover.

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I kinda wish for your mothers to barge in and order to stay in bed for a day and boss you around making sure you do NOTHING.

You both need tough love ! No joke !

Feel better you both ! Eat good tasty food, it always helps at least for that sometime ! :)

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get well jb.I have suffered like you and najang and it's really painful and paralyzing .Now i try to prevent it by :
protecting oneself from the cold weather and wearing warmer clothes even at home(putting something like a shawl or a jacket when using pc ) .I don't hold heavy things, moving a little bit when i stay hours using internet and when I'm in pain paracetamol can be lessening the pain and helping but not a lot . :*

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Hope the hip gets back to normal quickly, javabeans ! And girlfriday, please take care of your health this winter, as well as the rest of the DB team!

My job keeps me desk-and mouse-bound too, so I totally sympathise with the neck-shoulder-back-hip aches and pains, not to mention the arm-elbow-wrist ones!

I'm sure you've got lots of advice, and the doctor's advice bit is already covered, but I hear it helps to keep warm (gets v chilly for the lower body parts when you're sitting upright at the computer for hours), and to help the hips/joints, maybe eat more salmon, herring, anchovies, mackerel, sardines, and tuna, and turmeric, ginger, and whole grain foods.

Love the pic of Na-jung, but hate the idea of you having to crawl around the house like that!

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Get well soon, jb. Take care esp since it's winter!

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Get well soon!
Been in love with all your writing, individually and together for some years. *big hug*

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please take care of your health! because if you don't no one else will. have you tried acupuncture? i do enjoy you two's banter. & thank you for all the recapping you do for us.

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@javabeans: Ask for a medrol dose pack from your PCP. That might do the trick. You might have bursitis vs sciatica.

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Take care of your bodies, ladies! Don't sit for hours without moving. After half an hour or so, get up, stretch your legs, walk around a bit to give your legs, hips and back a break. That doesn't just apply for drama-watching, but office work too.

Ladies, if Secret Door is too boring, how about watching some mancandy that is Choi Jin Hyuk and start recapping Pride & Prejudice? ;)

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The is a lot of good advise here.

May I suggest spending some money on a good chair? Very important that the chair you spend all of you time in is highly adjustable. I have a swing chair at the office. The seat, back, arms, and height are all adjustable.

Exercise, walking is perfect, it lubricates the joints.

Do get massages, regularly.

Pain killers, and muscle relaxants are useful in the short term but are not a long term solution. Magnesium is a long term solution.

I have had bad hip and back pain. Good chair, walking, massage, and magnesium (nature's muscle relaxant) are what fixed me. When my back flair up I go to a doc in a box for pain killers and muscle relaxants, I up my magnesium, I get a massage and improve my posture.

God bless you. Find you way back to good health and try to maintain it.

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