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Misaeng: Episode 13

While this episode is about the big sales pitch by Sales Team 3, the real stars of this episode are the newbies, who are slowly becoming a cohesive unit. Newbie huddles are becoming more regular, as more workplace shit hits the fan and as more achievements come and go. They find their way, still get lost, and get criticized, but at least now they know that they’re not the only ones.

 
EPISODE 13 RECAP

As One International executives approach the meeting room, Seok-yul sees them pass by and gapes at this new gossip fodder. Chief Oh greets the executive director, and the meeting commences.

Geu-rae watches the executive team look through the presentation notes expecting the same old, tried-and-true format and observes how many of them are already marking up the notes with criticisms — some may have even prepared counterarguments beforehand. Some even voice their criticisms, bringing up Chief Park and questioning whether Sales Team 3 is ignorant or brave.

The door suddenly opens, and the CEO walks in to watch the presentation, as he had extra time in his schedule. With the extra top dog, the mood in the room further tenses. Geu-rae turns off the lights, and Chief Oh takes a deep breath before starting his presentation.

Meanwhile, at the resources team, Assistant Manager Ha gets approval from Chief Jung on the final Russia business exchange. Chief Jung comments that Young-yi does pretty good work, and Assistant Manager Ha agrees in silent acquiescence. Chief Jung assigns her as the lead on the trading contract, and she looks back in shock but seems grateful for gradual acceptance in the team. Then Seok-yul rushes over to Young-yi and starts blabbering about what he just saw: the group of cold executives chillingly walking through the corridors.

Getting back to Chief Oh’s presentation, the room remains at a painful silence before the start of the presentation, and Geu-rae keeps questioning what mess he’s caused. Chief Oh finally begins the presentation with a detailed history of corruption in the company, eliciting an expected outrage from the executives. But he follows up with accurate estimates of the company’s loss in profits that they could’ve gained if they hadn’t swept those deals tainted by corruption under the rug.

Chief Oh continues with reports on the companies that did those deals in One International’s place, and the results are all the same — other companies profited because they didn’t want to face their mistakes. Geu-rae makes an analogy: “In baduk, when your opponent bites off more than they can chew or tries to spare themselves from the important effort, they try to keep it that way until the very end.”

The vice president in Jordan (who’s dressed in a suit on top with his hidden bottom half in boxers, ha) and his assistant watch the intense meeting from a live stream waiting for their cue and note that if they don’t stay on top of their game, they might lose it for the whole team.

Now that Chief Oh has grabbed the executives’ attention by addressing their main counter, he proceeds to the regular familiar presentation that One International is used to. The presentation goes smoothly, and the vice president in Jordan manages to persuade the room with his data of positive responses by locals to this business proposal. After the presentation ends, another painful silence ensues. But thankfully, the first voiced response is positive, and the executives discuss the feasibility of this business plan. The CEO even nods in approval.

The executive director speaks up about the difficulty in restarting this business proposal after the unfortunate leave of their former team member, and the CEO follows up with the question on who proposed revamping this project. Chief Oh names their newbie, and Geu-rae cautiously stands up to introduce himself. After a few obligatory puns on his name, he’s asked why he decided to bring up this project again, and Geu-rae replies, “Because it’s our company.”

It’s a simple response, but that’s enough for the CEO and much of the executives in the room. They nod in solidarity, and the CEO has the last word: He hopes that the Jordan used-car business will succeed. With that, the executives applaud in approval and congratulations, and the meeting is adjourned.

On the way out, the CEO makes a call to reschedule his golf game so that he can spend more time in “our company.” The other executives walk out in a good mood as well, praising the presentation for manifesting the spirit of the salaryman. Sales Team 3 bows as the executive director leaves, and Chief Oh turns around to thank his minions for the hard work. He pats Geu-rae’s arm, and Geu-rae immediately falls down as his legs give out from the relief. Haha.

Chief Oh thanks Chief Chun for sticking with the project even with his political struggles within the company, and Chief Chun replies that it felt good to be a part of it. Dong-shik returns without Geu-rae, and he explains that he sent their newbie out for fresh air since he still seemed out of it. Geu-rae checks to see if his paper stuck in the pillar is still there and looks at the company building in reflection.

Geu-rae gets dragged by Seok-yul to their newbie circle and gets congratulated on his achievement. Baek-ki extends his hand as a sign of acknowledgement, and Geu-rae shakes it with gratitude. Young-yi also gives him a quick congratulatory word, leaving Geu-rae to fend off Seok-yul’s attempts to give him a big hug. Heh.

Young-yi glances at Baek-ki in the elevator and says that he should lower his ambitions. She tells him not to compare himself to Geu-rae who’s proving himself after starting with nothing, and tries to give him perspective on how Sales Team 3 also has a history of mistakes. She says that their job is to be steady and not make mistakes in the first place.

Though the elevator talk alleviates some of Baek-ki’s anxieties, they come right back when he starts back with his work. He looks around for Assistant Manager Kang, and Baek-ki desperately wants to ask him for a drink after work but hesitates and ultimately can’t get himself to ask.

After work, Sales Team 3 heads out for a team dinner, and Chief Oh gives Baek-ki some words of wisdom when he runs into him heading out from work. Baek-ki looks at the team longingly as they leave and flips through his contacts for anyone he could de-stress with. Just then, Assistant Manager Kang passes through the lobby and curtly tells Baek-ki that he’ll see him tomorrow. Baek-ki lets the chance pass by him again.

Chief Oh pours his team members a drink and advises them not to drink excessively on a day like this. In response, Dong-shik orders another bottle of soju (heh), and the rest of the team enjoy their celebratory dinner. Meanwhile, Baek-ki drinks alone, drowning in his misery as he thinks back to all the times he dismissed Geu-rae for his lack of work experience or knowledge.

The next morning, Baek-ki jerks awake and immediately drops his head when he realizes that he’s late. He quickly puts on his glasses and hops around to get his clothes on. Running out to the street with his clothes and sanity barely intact, he thinks back to Assistant Manager Kang’s warning that their boss despises tardiness.

Seok-yul beatboxes as he makes himself coffee, and Geu-rae walks in noting that he must be in a good mood. He’s in more of a carefree mood, and Seok-yul grabs his hand and puts it on his chest, saying that he has a resignation letter in his heart. Geu-rae pulls his hands away with a distasteful look, and Seok-yul gets a call from Baek-ki asking for a favor. Seok-yul agrees to the request and keeps his secret.

Slyly walking through the office, Seok-yul takes off his suit jacket, hangs it on Baek-ki’s chair, and turns on his laptop. Baek-ki rushes into the building with his hair at less than its usual perfection, and Seok-yul greets him in the elevator.

On the way up, Seok-yul asks why he didn’t just ask Assistant Manager Kang for the favor, but Baek-ki says that he still feels awkward around his senior. Seok-yul shakes his head and laments his own situation along with Baek-ki’s. He starts advising Baek-ki about getting closer with your senior, and he tells him not to ever go to the sauna together until they’re super close — it’s the most awkward situation to get into.

Then the elevator doors open, and the perfect crime is disrupted by Assistant Manager Kang catching the two red-handed. Baek-ki isn’t given any pardon and gets a lecture from their boss for being late. Baek-ki glares at Assistant Manager Kang while their boss makes a call (requesting that he push back the time of a meeting because he’ll be late, ironically).

Chief Oh introduces the team to Department Manager Lee, who will be leading their sales department. Manager Ma passes by looking bitter, and especially when Geu-rae gives him a quick greeting as he runs off to get coffee. He runs into Young-yi, who’s also making coffee, and they discuss how well Sales Team 3 is doing. She even suggests that Chief Oh could get promoted again soon, but unfortunately this gets overheard by Manager Ma.

Manager Ma looks at the two accusingly, and the tension accumulates when the rest of the resource team enters the room looking for Young-yi to go into the meeting. Manager Ma asks Chief Jung why Young-yi would be participating in the meeting requests that Chief Jung make the trading contract report himself. Young-yi looks deflated, and Chief Jung gives her an apologetic pat on the back.

Geu-rae tries to talk about it, but Young-yi claims that she’s grown immune to the insults and disapproval. She stays optimistic and reminds Geu-rae to tell Sales Team 3 that she made the coffee for them as a congratulatory gesture.

Seok-yul returns to Assistant Manager Sung being scolded for incompetent work by their boss. Assistant Manager Sung implies that it’s Seok-yul’s fault, causing Seok-yul to think back to his outburst on their power dynamic. He defends himself to their boss that he was given the wrong directions by Assistant Manager Sung, which results in their boss walking away, dissatisfied with the lack of responsibility.

Assistant Manager Sung insists that it’s a team effort and a team responsibility, but Seok-yul argues that he should start taking more responsibility for his own faults. Assistant Manager Sung approaches him in a threatening manner and asks if he would like to know what real responsibility looks like. Ahh, the tension.

Dong-shik leaves some papers for Geu-rae to send to Jordan, but as soon as Chief Oh and Chief Chun are back from their meeting, they’re called into another one, requesting Geu-rae to join them. Chief Oh lightly teases Geu-rae for becoming so popular and a celebrity at work, which causes Geu-rae to make a face.

When they run into Young-yi by the elevators, Chief Oh thanks her for the coffee and asks her to just make his coffee next time. He jokes around that Geu-rae is in high demand even though he doesn’t know how to do anything, but Chief Chun comes to his defense, saying that he’s meticulous with the meeting minutes (aw). Young-yi smiles at the team camaraderie and returns to her desk.

Manager Ma comes in raging and yelling for Young-yi, and when the team gathers, he starts off by getting mad at Young-yi for not wearing stocking socks with her heels. Then he gets into her report and criticizes her for having Chief Jung contact people for her, even though she wasn’t familiar with any of them.

Chief Jung tries to step in to defend her, but Manager Ma doesn’t give him a chance to. Manager Ma blames Young-yi for not understanding their line of work and condescendingly pushes her forehead with his finger. He yells at the whole team for their incompetence, and by this point, the whole office has their eyes on the resource team.

The newbies go to their usual meeting bench outside and ask if Young-yi is okay. She gives them an unconvincing nod, and their conversation is interrupted by their workplace seniors passing by. They stop to talk to Geu-rae and asks him for his sense of what the business in Iran is like, and want to know his gut feeling about about a deal they’re working on. He doesn’t know what to say, but his fellow newbies are surprised and jealous that he’s even asked for advice on such important matters.

Baek-ki excuses himself to do more work, but as he organizes the steel samples, he’s still clearly irritated with Geu-rae’s advancement. His boss drops by the storage area to check on Baek-ki and gives him some money to go to the sauna after work, since he’s working hard and sweating.

As Baek-ki undresses and gets ready for the sauna, he thinks back to Young-yi’s advice but still worries that he’s the only one not making any advancements, just walking in place. He closes his locker, only to see none other than Assistant Manager Kang, naked and ready for the sauna. Aaawkward.

Now it’s time for Seok-yul’s advice to come floating back, and everything is true. Neither one of them can get out of the sauna tub first, and Baek-ki is especially antsy, not knowing when to leave or how to respond. As they wash up, he doesn’t know what stall to use, as in what distance is appropriate for their relationship. And when Assistant Manager Kang is about to leave, Baek-ki notices a strip of soap left on his back but can’t say anything because then it would seem like he was staring at his boss’s naked body the whole time. So Baek-ki goes to the closest stall and “accidentally” sprays water on his back to wash off the soap. HA.

They finish off their awkward sauna adventure as they dry their hair, and Assistant Manager Kang tells him that he always finishes his week off with a sauna. Baek-ki explains that he got dust all over himself while cleaning the steel storage, and with that, his boss starts to leave. But Baek-ki calls out to him and asks to get a drink. Yes, finally!

With beers in hand, Baek-ki tells Assistant Manager Kang his worries: him walking in place while his colleagues make advances. Assistant Manager Kang asks if he’s jealous of Geu-rae, and Baek-ki replies that it’s not really jealousy but self-anger.

His boss reminds him that he’s part of the steel team. By nature, steel is a long-term business that requires constant management and care. “What you show to others is not important. Even if it’s not flashy work, it’s necessary work. They might not see it, but you cannot think that our work is nonexistent. There are people who risk their lives based on the numbers we crunch. If you can’t find self-fulfillment in your work, it’ll be hard to endure.”

Assistant Manager Kang leaves it at that, but that’s enough advice for Baek-ki to find some resolve. He walks away from the conversation with a relieved smile.

The holiday season is here, and the streets and buildings are decorated with lights and ornaments. Seok-yul gathers all the newbies as they arrive for work that morning and asks about their holiday plans. When Baek-ki says that he’ll be hitting the slopes, Seok-yul assumes that he doesn’t have a girlfriend. He then asks Geu-rae, and he says that he doesn’t have a girlfriend either.

Geu-rae gets a tweet notification and ignores it, but Seok-yul doesn’t let that slide. He sees that it’s a girl and asks who she is, since he claimed that he didn’t have a girlfriend. Young-yi recognizes her as the kindergarten teacher who likes him, and Geu-rae wonders how she found him. Not one to lose this sort of opportunity, Seok-yul grabs Geu-rae’s phone and tweets her, much to Young-yi and Baek-ki’s amusement. She eventually tells him to buy her a drink sometime, so Seok-yul rubs it in by wishing him good luck with a heart as the elevator doors close. Ha, I love him.

Geu-rae greets his team loudly and does errands as usual. He runs off to get coffee for his team but doesn’t hear Chief Oh’s request for water, so he goes himself. As Geu-rae starts making coffee, he overhears the conversation that two female employees are having. They note that Geu-rae is only a contract employee, so he’ll start applying elsewhere soon. Chief Oh also overhears this, so he yells loudly in the area to break up the conversation. As he finishes up, Geu-rae realizes how foolish he was to take all of this for granted. He decides that it’s too soon to be content here.

Chief Oh seems a little bothered when he returns to the team and starts writing Christmas cards with Chief Chun and Dong-shik to send out to their business workers and providers. Geu-rae returns with coffee and is assigned to address all the envelopes with the mindset of gratitude, as these people are the ones who allow for salarymen to make a living. Chief Oh calls Geu-rae over and hands him a card — the first Christmas card from him is for Geu-rae. Awww.

Geu-rae takes the stairs up to the roof of brooding with the Christmas card in hand. He opens the card, which reads: “Jang Geu-rae, you couldn’t have done any better. YES!” He imagines the card flying out of his hands and floating through a montage of what he’s been through up until now, from his young baduk days to his current struggles in the office.

Geu-rae: Be drunk. You must always be drunk. Everything lies in that; it is the only problem. To avoid the detestable weight of time that makes your shoulders give and makes you fall to the ground, you must be incessantly drunk. Whether it be on alcohol, poetry, or virtue, be drunk. Wherever you are, wake up from the hindering loneliness. If you get lost, just ask — the wind, water, stars, birds, time, everything that passes, everything that feels sadness, everything that runs, everything that sings, everything that talks — what time it is. They will reply. Now, it’s time to be drunk.

Baek-ki hands in a report with a Christmas card and gift for Assistant Manager Kang, Young-yi enjoys a glass of wine in her furnished apartment, and Seok-yul wraps stacks of gifts for his nieces and nephews. It’s another wrap on a long day at work.

 
COMMENTS

What a heartwarming episode. These newbies are slowly getting a handle on their work, again except for Seok-yul. But what he can’t seem to accomplish with his actual work, he seems to make up through workplace savviness and gossip. I do hope he finds some common ground with his boss soon, as we can see how important and uplifting it is for our other newbies. In the face of adversity, there’s nothing like a supportive team or boss to pull you through.

Sales Team 3 coming through with the Jordan used-car proposal is a testament to the power of a team. I thought Geu-rae’s strategy to remind the executives of previous corruption scandals was a risky yet necessary move, especially since most of them were ready to rip apart their proposal in that excruciating silence of uncertainty. It got rid of the elephant in the room, and with that settled, the team was able to change the executives’ biased perspectives into more professional objective business ones. The team’s dedication and trust in Chief Oh despite this enormous risk just comes to show how cohesive they are. It helps (or doesn’t) that Chief Oh always gravitates towards difficult projects; they’re forced to bond and work together in order to endure the difficulties.

I’m sad that we’re constantly reminded of the inequality towards women in the workplace, but it’s a realistic struggle that I appreciate seeing evolve through Young-yi’s perseverance. Young-yi’s difficulties are slowly being relieved through her team’s recognition. She no longer receives unfair mistreatment from her team members, and in fact, when Manager Ma tries to criticize the life out of her, they come to her defense. You can see that they’re no longer on Manager Ma’s side because they’ve seen how capable she is. Someone’s going to need to convert Manager Man soon, or else he’ll have no friends or end up being dismissed. Not that I wouldn’t like both to happen.

This was Baek-ki’s episode, as we saw him climb slowly back up from his low point. My heart broke a little when he couldn’t get himself to ask to get drinks with his boss or call anyone else out. He needed a wake-up call (literally, in this episode), but I wish he could open up to his newbie colleagues to share his inner struggles. He’s so by the book and prides himself in his competence, but he’s his biggest critic. Being his perfectionist self, he’s always so full of anxiety and ambition to make sure he’ll succeed. And he doesn’t want to show any sign of weakness to his colleagues, who he assumes are way ahead of him. I love how he finally got to let out his worries through a hilarious turn of events that led him to grab a beer with his senior. It was like the universe giving him this one last opportunity to make it happen, just through the most awkward way possible.

Geu-rae articulates his epiphany quite well, with the metaphor of being drunk. He was lost in a state of indifference for so long because he had lost that passion, that ability to become drunk. He convinced himself that he was no longer committed to baduk, and that state of soberness had quickly turned into cynicism and loneliness. We don’t want to promote perpetual drunkenness or alcoholism here, but I can see how soberness can be detrimental in this context. Without this drunken state, you lose drive, motivation, and any will to do anything. He may be drunk on work now, but you could make the case that he’s still drunk on baduk — the game that allows him to be so passionate about work and life in general.

I love how the newbies are starting to find solace in each other through turbulent times. They’ve started to hear each other out, give each other advice, and give unwanted congratulatory hugs. I’m loving the camaraderie from this group, and I’m hoping these reluctant friends will soon become definite homies.

 
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Thanks so much for the recap. The writer of this script is so poetic at times and the director matches that poetry perfectly. Now, if only Seuk Yul could get some baduk advice from Geu Rae. If someone makes a slick move, you respond with a proper move...not an equally slick-but-ain't-gonna-work move!

So many dramas with so many interns and temps and so far only High School King of Savvy and Misaeng have shown me how terrible it is for the contract employee...and really it's such a stupid system sometimes!

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Definitely agree with you on that. The writers and director (ESPECIALLY the director who looks over every single scene himself) have been doing work. They even reintroduced the kindergarten teacher that I was sure they were done with. Misaeng never fails to surprise me.

From this weeks episodes I found myself liking Mr. Chun a lot and yet episode 14 was so hard for all the characters it made me want to cry. JGR's mom, YY having to deal with Director Ma, JGR losing hope, SY's "anonymous" complaint...ugh. This drama just keeps sucking me in...

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Ya think kindergarten teacher will end up with Dong Sik? That'd be too easy, right? But ya know...kdrama destiny and all?

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ahhh I'd like that...JGR definitely did NOT seem into her on their 'date,' but she and Dong Sik seemed to be having fun haha

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Aww, I love this episode. I think its my favourite to date. I love all the newbies and worry about them too. I hope suk-yool wins against his horrible boss, young-yi continues to show how awesome and capable she is and the chauvinistic boss of hers gets fired (or comes around too, highly unlikely), for baek-ki to have more confidence in his abilities and become best pals with his boss (hee), and for Geu-rae to become a permenant (?) employee and continue working in sales team 3 with the gang.

Thanks for the recap, dramallama!

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I can't believe how this show is getting better every episode. And I'm really curious how Sook Yul should face his annoying supervisor. Maybe he should listen to Geu Rae, don't attack when the enemy is strong. And btw, is sook yul is from a well off family just based on his apartment look?

Can't wait for E14 recap. I cried a river. Dang.

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I have a feeling Sook Yul is probably the richest out of the newbies as well, or maybe he just has nice taste? Hahah He's facing a real tough battle I reckon, things seem to be going downhill for him real fast.

Let me join you in your river of tears, a river of Misaeng tears.

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I cried too! and coveted SY's flat.

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I loved all those gifts Seuk Yul was wrapping for christmas! Does he give gifts to orphanages or does he ust have a lot of friends?

He'd be so good in human resources..cause he's just a people person. Uhm...maybe not..he'd be gossiping all the time.

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I teared up as well. 14 was a rollercoaster ride wasn't it...

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rollercoaster ride? sums up misaeng on the whole. we laugh, we cry, we shout in anger.. and so much more. what have this show done to me?!

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oh yes! episode 14 is so heart wrenching. i cried a river too. maybe our tears could flood our screens hehe.

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dear, the amount of tears us fans shed for episode 14 can sink any island!

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oh yes, the tears!! I was a blubbering mess by the time I completed E 14!

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i know, it's kind of puzzling, seeing as we learned in earlier episodes that he came from a blue-collar family background and was even teased about it in his childhood. but hopefully we'll learn more. i loved getting an extended look into their lives outside work, and i hope that continues.
i'm also unsure what to think about assistant manager sung- we're seeing things from seok yul's perspective, kind of, so it seems like the supervisor's the one who's a "psychopath." or is he genuinely trying to train him by giving him more responsibility?
i loved the use of special effects in this episode, with the bubble growing bigger and bigger and then popping. subtle is best. i didn't like it so much in the episode with the angel wings and glittering eyes and nakedness.
also, i knew what was coming when baek-ki received money for the sauna, but it was played out so well when they were staring at each other naked that i died laughing.
lastly- i was surprised they brought the kindergarten teacher in, i thought she would be a throwaway character. i still want him with young yi though. i hope the writers won't completely dismiss the possibility of developing the loveline further....
i definitely want a second season.

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blue collar doesn't necessarily mean poor. Some of the folks with high standards of living can be blue collar guys. I think Wang Family addressed that, with the contractor guy (who only went to high school) having money.

I think young yi and Baek ki are fated for each other...if the original manwha writer caves and gives us a romance.

Supervisor is pretty psychopathic...but unless he's got some secret grudge against Suk Yul personally or as a child of a prticular class, I think he's just being a jerk. Other characters have said as much? Wasn't it hinted at earlier that this manager doesn't really know what he's doing and could be faking competence?

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Not sure about Korea of course, but in Europe (France, Germany, ...), traditional blue collar is usually very well off compared to office workers: they start to work younger, have a steadier career and have better union support.
Seok-yul discusses that this does NOT apply to site workers though (he argues that they are much more easily fired compared to office workers, for example).

Young-yi + Baek-ki: I'm more interested in the Young-yi backstory for the time being (which could turn out to be a total roadblock for any office romance involving Young-yi), but I too liked the awkward pseudo-romance thing these two have going.

Seok-yul's boss so far seems really weird (yes, strong psychopathic vibes). Shouldn't Young-yi know him from her time at the department?

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dunno...the office world might not be so small.

Blue collar workers --especially the independent ones-- definitely understand how hard money is to come by. Maybe the site guys save a lot. I also wonder if the site workers all take care of each other. Like those little group money things korean women in kdramas have. It's possible that the site workers have a connectedness between them and they have taken care of each other's children. I mean..who was Seok Yul sending gifts to? (or receiving gifts from?) Are they gifts of or for or from gratitude?

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The gift thing: One idea I immediately had was that Seok-yul gives away a lot of gifts for "networking" and improving his (probably vast) social circles.

My former boss used to do that a lot during Christmas, he had several dozen of gift boxes floating around and wrote hundreds of cards (like a combination of Chief Oh and Seok-yul).
And like Seok-yul, he always knew everything that was going on. (When my contract ended, he stopped sending me Christmas cards after a few years and "only" sends me a couple of mails each year now, asking for developments in my professional life. And he does that with approx. 200 other people he worked with too.)

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yeah, could be. He's definitely a people person. But i suspect it's either done because he owes some kind folks a favor (like his dad's co-workers) or he is helping out some orphanage somewhere...and "paying it forward."

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It's his's granfather's apartment. And the house located at Yongsan(the center of Seoul), near Han river, with 2 floors, is quite expensive:)

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Sook yul appartment does look swanky but didn't they show in the initial episodes that his father is just a worker in the factory. I'm guessing manual worker because he was driving that...uhm transport vehicle. I assumed him to be from a humble background.

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Thank for the recap dramallama. I am currently drunk on this show :D I am going to get a mayor hangover when this show is over, I hope there is a second round next year. I would love to see this characters again, applying the experiences they are learning in this season. I love the character development and the friendships that are starting to form. The lessons to learn from this show are plenty. The writer really makes you care for the characters, who would have thought that a power point presentation would keep me at the edge of my seat? I was even holding my breath lol. I loved that GR as well as Team 3 got some recognition. Specially for Manager oh and GR.

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Thanks for the recap...I wait for your recaps on shows I watch because they give me further clarity. Just like "be drunk!"--it's much more poetic that way instead of how it was translated. I wish your recaps on Misaeng came as soon as the recaps in Cantabile. I quite literally read the recaps before watching the show again.

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Thanks for the recap dramallama?

I so love this drama, its refreshing and relatable especially in the workplace! The writer has so many insights and nuggets of wisdom that we can pick and apply in our work and in life in general. One of the best show this year! How i love all the newbies, their characters are engaging! And the actors are pretty much amazing!

I anticipate much for new eps!

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Chief Oh is such a fanboy of Young Yi. lol

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lol he totally is a fanboy. I love how his voice changes and becomes excited when Young Yi is nearby.

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Aigoooo ~

Yes, Chief Oh is such a Young-yi fan boy. What normal guy wouldn't be ? Dying to find out what happened at the other job.

The idiots that she works for are finally utilizing her talents. It's a shame Chief Oh couldn't have stolen her from her current team.

The VP in Jordan = Chang Man's FIL (Yoo Na's Street ref)

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Yes - the Chief in Jordan is the guy who acted as Yuna's step father.

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Maybe He is positively discriminatory towards women in general. From his peers, Mrs. Sun is the only one he is on good standing with, who he cares for personally. Compare that to his relationship to all the other Chiefs and higher-ups.

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I love the running joke that he's got on Geu Rae, where he never misses a chance to declare that "this is why Young Yi should've come to our team, she'd be perfect for this team..." yada yada. The man's got a sense of mischief!

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when assistant manager Kang was talking to Baek-ki, did he mention that Geu-rae and Baek ki have different contracts?

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AM Kang said GR is just a temp aka contract worker, unlike BK who's a full timer.

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thanks! did BK get a higher status because of his more impressive background? also, i wonder if the other newbies are full timers or not.

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the rest of the newbies are all full timers. you can see their ID badges are white whilst GR's blue. they have much better pay and greater benefits and have not much worries about their future in the company. GR n other temps are sitting at the edge of the cliff.. one push and there you go. episode 14 highlights this situation and i can feel the temp workers' agony because i used to be a temp worker years ago too. it's really depressing, i can tell you that.

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nvm. the next episode answered my question.

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thanks. oh i didn't see your comment. wow i didn't know they had different colored badges. the next episode focuses on how depressing it is to be a temp worker.

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Thanks for recap!

Here is the poem

Get Drunk!

Charles Baudelaire

One should always be drunk. That’s all that matters; that’s our one imperative need. So as not to feel Time’s horrible burden one which breaks your shoulders and bows you down, you must get drunk without cease.

But with what? With wine, poetry, or virtue as you choose. But get drunk.

And if, at some time, on steps of a palace, in the green grass of a ditch, in the bleak solitude of your room, you are waking and the drunkenness has already abated, ask the wind, the wave, the stars, the birds, the clock, all that which flees, all that which groans, all that which rolls, all that which sings, all that which speaks, ask them, what time it is; and the wind, the wave, the stars, the birds, and the clock, they will all reply: “It is time to get drunk! So that you may not be the martyred slaves of Time, get drunk, get drunk, and never pause for rest! With wine, poetry, or virtue, as you choose!”

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Thanks for pointing out that this monologue is a Baudelaire poem!!
I had seen this also mentioned in the viki comments. It was really interesting to see how two different subbers chose to translate the poem on the sites that I use to watch this drama. I have ended up watching the raws and then refreshing madly for the viki subs (which I always find more nuanced and interesting( but then lately the other site sometimes has the whole episode subbed faster. I appreciate that, but find those subs to be less flavorful. I alos wonder about the accuracy sometimes. I've learned enough Korean to catch topics and get phrases, but not enough to understand such a complex show as this. All this to say that I sometimes watch each episode multiple times and the layers of meaning are just as interesting each time.

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@Joanna I end up doing the same. I find that the dialogue in Missing is so rich & important to understand what is happening that I usually watch an episode twice. Once at SoompiTv because they have the ep subs faster (honestly I can't help myself in wanting to know what happened in the ep) and then watch at Viki because I find their subs much more detailed. Then I wrap up my Missing by reading the wonderf recaps here. Again, give me another layer of understanding. What can I say I can never have enough Misaeng :)
Thank you dramallama for the great recap.

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It's weird but I sometimes feel like the viki subs are...too detailed? Like they're really busy and a bit of a distraction (for example the way that at the end of this episode they were also translating the lyrics to the song that was playing alongside Geu Rae's monologue). Also I feel like they often translate things too literally instead of trying to find an equivalent in colloquial English.

Versus I watch with subs at My Asian TV that are very English-colloquial. It might lose a little bit of nuance but I feel like the overall viewing experience is more pleasant and fluid, if that makes sense

Arghh...this is one of those shows where I REALLY wish my Korean was better so that I could fully grasp it all!

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Exactly...and agree with (and usually do) everything you do. I also love the way Viki uses (and explains) what colloquials are being used. I love discovering the Korean sland and googling the etymology. On viki: Three for breakfast, but four for dinner???? But soompi translated the slang in a more concise but bleh way.

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Haha ! For a moment, I wonder if it was me who wanted to hear it but, then, it was really Baudelaire's poem ! I am french so it was a peculiar experience to hear it in korean and translated in english.

Just to share this experience, and because I can't resist, here the original version :

Il faut être toujours ivre, tout est là ; c'est l'unique question. Pour ne pas sentir l'horrible fardeau du temps qui brise vos épaules et vous penche vers la terre, il faut vous enivrer sans trêve.

Mais de quoi ? De vin, de poésie, ou de vertu à votre guise, mais enivrez-vous !

Et si quelquefois, sur les marches d'un palais, sur l'herbe verte d'un fossé, vous vous réveillez, l'ivresse déjà diminuée ou disparue, demandez au vent, à la vague, à l'étoile, à l'oiseau, à l'horloge; à tout ce qui fuit, à tout ce qui gémit, à tout ce qui roule, à tout ce qui chante, à tout ce qui parle, demandez quelle heure il est. Et le vent, la vague, l'étoile, l'oiseau, l'horloge, vous répondront, il est l'heure de s'enivrer ; pour ne pas être les esclaves martyrisés du temps, enivrez-vous, enivrez-vous sans cesse de vin, de poésie, de vertu, à votre guise.

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merci!

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De rien ! ^^

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Wonderful! Thanks for sharing that it is Baudelaire's. Now my love for this drama is even bigger :D

I loved the final moments, it was indeed a climax for Geu Rae (and for me), when he received the yes! note after all he's been through. I cried, haha!!

And I loved how Baek Ki finally had a drink with his boss. He is too perfectionist and too hard on himself and is suffering because of this. I hope he gets closer to his boss and the other newbies...not to mention Young Yi, I totally cheer up for these two. :D

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Oh my god, Chief Oh's words to GR could not have been more perfect. Remember that GR started out in the first episode with the constant refrain "I didn't work hard enough"? Well the letter's message "You couldn't have done better" is the perfect answer to that self doubt that he's been carrying around for so long. It's saying that all your effort up till now was worth it, you really did work hard, and someone (the boss he loves and respects!) sees and acknowledges that. I loved the symbolism of the letter blowing through all the scenes of his past, as if it somehow justified and made valuable all of his suffering, failure, and effort until now. Just really beautiful :')

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aye, pearl. it is truly beautiful. you can feel the weight of those self-blame and hardship lifted up from his shoulders and 'fly' away.

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this show. i just don't know what to say other than i became obsessed with it. this episode is great.. i have my heart in my throat and chills in my bones during the presentation.. what with that smug looks on the ED n mr. ma's faces.. ugh.. i was really terrified on what the ED n his minions will do to our ST3. i was choked up when a petrified GR said 'our company' and made the rest of the room realized how easy they forget that fact. it takes a naive boy's simple answer to remind them to think about the company rather than their personal agendas. i burst in tears of proud and joy when the CEO approved the project(hahahaha.. serves u right mr. ED!). i felt just like GR.. weak in the knees.

and i love the fact that our four ducklings support each other during good and bad times. who needs romance when this circle of friends show so much love to each other?

BK really needs to be brought down to earth.. thank you, YY n AM Kang for being blunt with him. i felt like shaking him. it's karma in a way, ducky. this is why you don't look down on 'lowly' people. everybody has their own strength and you can learn a thing or two from even those 'beneath' you. being humble can really reward you.. ppl used to ask me why i am so friendly with everybody even with the lowest rank colleagues(like the tea lady or the cleaners) and i always answer, why not? you just never know what life lesson they can teach you.

i am glad our ST3 getting stronger in their relationship with each other.. and even mr. chun is being nicer to our boy. i can see how GR adored his team - with mr. oh as his surrogate dad and mr. kim n mr. chun as his hyungs. let the boy smile for a little longer, please. how much more tears has he had to shed? and i am so touched with the xmas card scenes. that was beautiful.

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So much bromance, so much love, happy feelings everywhere in this episode. Baekki's feeling jealous of Geu Rae is normal, I think anyone in his position would a little bit. However just like what YY said, he worked his way up, so Baekki shouldn't hold it in too much. My favourite is the development between Baekki and Assistant Manager Kang. Now that he's willing to be more humble and open he's taking in Assistant Manager Kangs words, which are like pearls of wisdom to him. Slowly Manager Kang is playing a role similar to what Chief Oh is to Geu Rae.

It's nice seeing Chief Chun warming up to everyone, and especially beginning to care for Geu Rae. The team is really forming together, I feel like they are Geu Rae's second family in a sense.

Although I hated Manager Ma so much, that scene did show how far YY has come in regards to her team. It's one thing to hate someone, but when they have the work ethic and can contribute to the workplace, you can't argue with that. The guys are beginning to appreciate her, and did you see when YY talked back to Manager Ma, Assistant Manager Ha gave this look at her, like he wanted to warn her not to say anything? These small gestures are one the many things I love about this drama. As mentioned before there are so many subtle moments that contribute to a bigger picture.

I realised I liked seeing SY happy, he's like the happy virus in the team. Whenever he's cheerful the newbie team perks up a bit too. SY and Geu Rae are too cute together, I can just watch SY tease Geu Rae all day long. I absolutely adore their little meetings whenever something comes up,

Call me superficial but dayuummm I don't mind me some more sauna scenes in the future haha

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Well said Nessie!
"I realised I liked seeing SY happy, he’s like the happy virus in the team."

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haha same to the sauna scenes...except next time give me more than a split second flash of Kang Ha Neul's legs because...i mean... damn

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When Baekki rolled out of his bed, was he sleeping naked? I swear in that split moment when he rolled out, he was only wearing his underwear....ehehe the pervy fangirl in me is coming out hahah

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lol! thought I was the only one..

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Still loving this show. My heart thumped faster when the presentation is about to begin and I applaud the show for that.

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loved the sauna scenes! and baek ki's manager is "hot" in his own right.

Loving also Seok Yul. I also think the other managers like him. Every company has one and the company pretty much indulges him...besides who doesn't like a news spreader? It's the kind of gossip that isn't mean-spirited, also. And that goes a long way!

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Assistant manager Kang is sooo foine, OMG

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Asst Manager Kang looks like a very young Brad Pitt.

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Totally bamf 100%

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Both Baek Ki and AM Kang were pretty darn hot - in every sense of the word!

It was hilarious seeing them both like striped pink lobsters in the tub, and the whole scene playing out word for word, identical to Seok Yul's description!

Yes, Seok Yul may not be an overachiever like Baek Ki, or even a personage of note, but he's definitely got everyone's attention - he goes around like Santa, spreading good news and cheer!

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oh, hey! I just saw on Tumblr that Misaeng is going to finally be published in English, through a consortium of webtoon artists working with the Huffington post!
The article is in the Korea Herald http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20141201000827

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Oh what great news! I've been hoping that Misaeng would be translated to English. I thought that with the success of both the webtoon & the kdrama this would be the perfect time to look into translating Misaeng to other languages (English of course for me being at the top of my list) I will cross my fingers (toes, eyes) in the hopes that this comes to fruition. It would be a great way to start 2015.

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<3 YAY! If it's published in English, I'll be so happy :D

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Yessss! This is awesome, thanks for sharing. I'm glad it's published that way because it will be more accessible for those of us who aren't patient/rich enough for the whole box set haha

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Yes, I actually went inside the bookstore and asked about woori MiSaeng... Yeah, it was a pretty good size box... I was too afraid to ask the price of the book set( besides, I couldn't read the webtoon; it's in Korean ?)
So, Yay on the news that it will be available in English ???

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imagine the price outside of korea. but heck, if it's true that an english version is coming out, i'll save money for that. i'll go for the entire set..who cares about a new gadget or new clothes?

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Dramallama thank you for a superb summary!

" I love how he finally got to let out his worries through a hilarious turn of events that led him to grab a beer with his senior. It was like the universe giving him this one last opportunity to make it happen, just through the most awkward way possible."
Baek-ki was late and he contacted Seok-yul, to help him out. I liked it that Baek-ki asked for help which is not easy for him, it didn't work but at least they tried. Baek-ki's senior Kang seems like a nice guy, always working by the rules and honest ( very different than Seok-yul's senior) but he is not being excessively harsh to Baek-ki. I think they will work well together.

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With that note at the end to GR, it's official: Chief Oh is my favorite surrogate father-mentor figure on TV since Coach Taylor from Friday Night Lights (don't know if anyone here watched FNL, but it's my favorite show of all time and I feel like it has a spiritual similarity to Misaeng in that both shows are about showing the real importance of seemingly 'small' lives)

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BEST. DRAMA. OF. 2014. Who else agrees with me?

This is also now one of my favourite tv shows in any language, not just favourite kdrama. So much subtlety and poetry in it......Misaeng fighting! Please get even higher ratings and be moresuccessful ♡♡♡

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BEST. DRAMA. OF. 2014? No doubt.

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If the quality continues (and I hope it does) it will definitely be the best drama of 2014 that I've watched.

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Any competitors? Where there any K-drama shows in 2014 that were even close to the quality of Misaeng?

I'd say that IOIL was similar or better in terms of acting (only).

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Well, I think everyone is allowed to have their own favourites.

In my own case, it does mean Misaeng. And It's Okay It's Love. I don't want to choose one over the other because they are different shows and different genres, although I would say that Misaeng is just so much more untypical (compared to all k-dramas) that it just stands out in that way. IOIL did do some too-easy & typical k-drama shortcuts at the very end. They don't make me love the drama any less as a whole, but, yeah, I could have done without the breaking up & going away for a year bit and Hae-soo's family magically accepting Jae-yeol when Hae-soo returned. I just don't feel Misaeng is going to do any shortcuts of this sort.

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Well, I haven't seen (or read about) every single 2014 K-drama (not even close), so I really don't know the competition.

For me, both Misaeng and IOIL are fantastic shows and it's not difficult for me to understand people who think that either of them is the best drama of 2014.
I agree with you in particular on some of the writing lapses that IOIL suffered from, which, for me, is one of the reasons I might end up ranking Misaeng ahead of IOIL once the show is over.

Of course, Misaeng is not really K-drama genre show (while IOIL is), it targets a male audience, that alone sets it apart.

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I heard a lot of praise for Secret Love Affair and Yoona's Street for good writing and not being typical kdramas, or having different feelings from the usual kdrama. But Misaeng is something else, it's very uncommon for a kdrama so for that newness I think it is the best of 2014.

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I will check them, thank you.

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Let's wait for the Bennie Award for this year who will win the best drama. But Misaeng for me is also the best of 2014.

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Misaeng is definitely top, but It's Okay It's Love and Secret Love Affair were my two faves of 2014 because they broached subjects rarely seen in K-drama (well mostly IOIL) and with great maturity. It was a nice change of pace from the revenge stories and the silly romance ones

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YES! and fearlessly realistic!

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Have to add that Seok-yul has won me over big time. Misaeng is great, but sometimes the screaming and psychological terror becomes a little overbearing, so having him do his little antics makes it a lot easier to keep on watching. Besides I like how he stubbornly tries to prove his point and dosen´t back out, though he keeps on failing with his elaborate plans. Also, whenever I see him, I´m constantly reminded of the first impression I had of him, which was, well, awful. It´s not that he´s not an oddball fancying himself a smooth operator, I´m just grateful the show didn´t leave him like that.

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Agreed, it's nice that he's more than just comic relief and yet he has depth to him that doesn't automatically turn him into a loveable character/a villain. The fact that he left such a bad first impression (and still needs to redeem himself of that) only makes him more human.

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Yeah, he was introduced as a antagonist, later used mostly as comic relief and plot device, but he gets more and more scenes that focus on him as a character (though he still IS used for exposition and plot advancement).

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poor seok yool.. all his plans for revenge backfired on him. heh. i wonder if mr. sung is really that bad..or is that his weird ways of 'training'? wonder what would happen if SY heed to GR's advice/strategy?

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Excellent recap! I love what you said about the intoxication metaphor. And without his passion for baduk, he would definitely be leading a completely different life.

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The episode structure is somewhat different from most other episodes. We START with the elephant in the room and get another long presentation sequence, with almost full closure of the tension of this plot arc early in the episode.

After that, it's time to carefully introduce and continue the other topics:

Okay, so the show DOES pick up the preschool teacher bit from episode 5. We also get the answer on how the heck would someone like Geu-rae start to interact with a potential love interest, given his personality. He doesn't, he "sends" his wingman Seok-yul to answer his text messages instead.

(I liked the introduction to that scene, where Seok-yul brings up the "girlfriend" angle to make fun of Baek-ki.)

Another similar technique is used when the two coworkers talk about Geu-rae being a temporary employee. This fact, so far, had little to no importance to the story, but it seems to be a new longer story arc in the making.

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Geu-Rae being a temp/contract worker makes me wonder if that is one of the reasons he somehow ends up in Jordan. Desperate job situations call for desperate responses. (am thinking in baduk mode here)

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It's really difficult for me to stay in character and write dismissive posts about a show as fantastic as Misaeng.

But I finally found something: The lack of female character diversity.
The show features all kinds of male characters AND fleshes them out AND gives them character development. We have tons of flawed characters, some of them "good", some of them "grey" and a very few straight villians (Mr. Ma, I'm looking at you).

On the female side, however ...
We only have like three actual female characters in the show so far (and a few one-line bystanders or one-episode-wonders):

Young-yi is just perfect in every possible way. She speaks like every language ever fluently, she is perfectly organised, she learns financial accounting overnight, has perfect presentation skills, perfect negotiation skills and despite her ridiculous overqualifications, she is NOT arrogant at all. She is extremely modest, patient, tolerant, friendly, perceptive. Her two flaws are a somewhat "dark" backstory (that doesn't stop her from being totally awesome when confronted with it) and maybe a tiny little bit odd sense of humour.

Mrs. Sun is portrayed as the perfect boss, loved by her subordinates (they included an extra scene to make sure of that) and most of the positively drawn other characters, her only "flaw" is that she tries to be a perfect manager and a perfect mother at the same time.

Geu-rae's mother is probably the most "normal" of the three, but she still is basically the perfect mother. She does everything for her son, but tries to keep the pressure of him, thus her somewhat cold demeanour towards Geu-rae cannot be counted as a flaw, I think. Of course, she is also a rather minor character so far.

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You finally found something to "stay in character" and complain about? What a surprise.

I personally think the women of Misaeng are different from each other and not "perfect" like you claim. Chief Sun tries hard to keep her work perfect and her family too, but inadvertently neglects her child to the point she can only draw the back of her mother's head. Young Yi is accomplished, sensible and hardworking but can be passive in some ways. Saying she has no flaws or is a flat character, is like saying Geurae has none....because he is almost like a less accomplished version of her.

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The individual characters are not flat. Young-yi for example is very multi-dimensionally drawn, Mrs. Sun, despite her limited role, is given some facets, too.
But (a) there are only three (limiting the diversity) and (b) all of them are almost perfect in their roles and they are all excessively good characters.

On the other hand, there is not a single male character with that characteristics (Dong-shik is as close as it gets).

I don't think having characters like Young-yi is bad. I just miss some female characters who are not nice and understanding and supportive and highly competent and stuff to balance it out a bit.

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maybe in the upcoming episodes? we might get some tastily evil woman manager or something.. you just never know. though i would like to slap those women who gossip about GR being a temp...and wipe the smile off our puppy's face.. goodness, don't they know how be discreet?

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@Carole

"maybe in the upcoming episodes? we might get some tastily evil woman manager or something.. you just never know. though i would like to slap those women who gossip about GR being a temp…and wipe the smile off our puppy’s face.. goodness, don’t they know how be discreet?"

I don't demand an evil women.

Look: Young-yi is as accomplished as Baek-ki, as persistent as Geu-rae and she is even cleverer than Seok-yul in social engineering (at least in the planing meeting how to get that client drunk). She has neither the confidence issues of Geu-rae, is not proud like Baek-ki or impulsive like Seok-yul. She has many of the most positive attributes of her male peers, and none of the negative ones.

It's just a little bit too much for me. Yeah, maybe her dark and troubled past can bring in some balance, but even there, it seems like she can overcome any problem that derived from that (like, for example, on short notice negotiate with the person she definitely doesn't want to face, and do that just as marvelously as anything else) with ease.

If it was just one person, I'd say, fine. But the only other female office character is basically just as almost perfect, especially compared to her male peers.

Why not have a female Chief Oh, or a female Baek-ki, or a female Manager Kim? (Not as a copy)

They are characters who are overall quite okay, but they have their lapses and often struggle with solvable problems or simply neglect certain aspects of life.
Both female characters in the office solve any normal problem quite easily and only struggle with unsolvable problems.

About the rumour-stuff: Well, we've seen that from both male and female background characters.

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If the manhwa and the show get a second season, I would like to see new female characters...

What I would like is to see two female characters in the workplace who have a sort of complicated junior-senior relationship that would parallel some of what we've seen between the male characters in this environment...I had hoped that the lady from finance team would come back and be a sort of mentor for Young Yi, but it doesn't seem like we'll get that this season!

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@ Jon G.

I think you're judging women's flaws by men's flaws. Young Yi is doing stuff that some feminist friends would consider flaws. The incredible self-effacement isn't healthy or positive. The changing her shoes just because someone told her to... that's a bit too much also.

Now, the fact that she is a Korean woman...and used to a patriarchal system outside of the office might be a good excuse. But at the same time, she changed her shoes because a guy told her to. Note that Geu Rae still has not cut his hair and Dong Shik still has not straightened his hair.

So what a man might consider a positive trait...a woman might see as a very unhealthy trait. So a guy will see her as unflawed but a western woman might see it as very very flawed.

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@Carole

"Now, the fact that she is a Korean woman…and used to a patriarchal system outside of the office might be a good excuse. But at the same time, she changed her shoes because a guy told her to. Note that Geu Rae still has not cut his hair and Dong Shik still has not straightened his hair.

So what a man might consider a positive trait…a woman might see as a very unhealthy trait. So a guy will see her as unflawed but a western woman might see it as very very flawed."

That is, indeed, a valid argument.
I also absolutely agree with you that, to me, by my "local" standards, Young-yi's actions are often rather puzzling and definitely not "right" (not just changing her shoes, which, to me, is insignificant compared to not writing complains against various superiors abusive and misogynistic behaviour).
That doesn't change the impression of the show making it look like Young-yi is supposed to be perfect (or very close to) by the show's own standards. (In the way that her actions are successful and make her more confident.)

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<Exactly. I get Baek-ki. I don’t get Young-yi that well. Because she is too capable for me to get her. And she might squeeze a tear or feel lonely, but the next day she turns up at the office just as determined as before.

I don't think she's too capable. Beneath her capability is a human being that's as flawed and imperfect as anyone. It's just more difficult to see because she wears her mask so well, but I feel I get her (maybe because I'm female and just feel I can really relate to the situations she's in / how she's reacting to them and dealing with things / the assumptions people make about her perfection until they catch a glimpse of her "humanness", e.g. when her heel breaks).

Plus, the show might yet reveal something of what's beneath her mask – it's been peeling away everyone's layers, just very very slowly. But enough for us to know that no character in this show is necessarily anything like what they seem as at first (Seok-yul starts of as an antagonist, Baek-ki initially seems like someone who would be scheming, their immediate superiors just seem plain awful but are then revealed to be more grey).

But I'm also okay if this show doesn't reveal anything more about Young-yi (e.g. her background story with the guy from the other company), because it's slice of life, and I don't feel we need every bit resolved and clarified, or to amount to something – I can imagine it myself or let it go. Because in real life, we don't always find out everything, we don't see what's beneath everyone's mask even if there's sometimes an instant where we just catch the tiniest glimpse their real face.

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We don't know yet if young yi is perfect. Hey, if it turns out she wanted a relationship with her possibly married ex-mentor...then that's not perfect.

I do think though that your definition of female characters is a bit off. There are many different female characters but we are in a man's world..from the business perspective. Manager Oh's wife, Chun's wife, Geu-Rae's mom, kindergarten teacher, the employee who got pregnant with (yet) another child, finance manager with great body but masked old face...we get glimspes of them..but the glimpses are glimpses of people doing their jobs in a world that requires excessive goodness from women in life. Doesn't mean they are good or bad yet. As a minority, it feels to me that the women at One International have to have that perfection mask because they have to prove themselves to worplace folks who are prejudiced against them. (Reminds me of Secretary Jang in What's with this family? She is a total slob at home but perfection in the office.)

I think Manager Oh's wife is supportive but challanges him. I was surprised that Mr Chun's wife hadn't stayed up to give him food when he arrived but was in bed.

Dong Sik is a sweetie, def.

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It's not just one international. Women all over the world have to prove skills exceeding their male counterpart's competence before being seen as equally intelligent and useful.

Guys will always have their boy's club. Women are just seen as intruders to their territory.

(Although, of course, there are good men all around.)

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There are other female co-workers, but they are not featured at all in the business part of the story, for some reason. There was the finance boss, but she turned out to be an episode special unfortunately. The recurring female in the steel team (Mrs. Shin?) is the most featured after Young-yi and Mrs. Sun, but she could as well be a potted plant.

Off-office, there are a view recurring background characters, X's wife and Y's mother. But they are almost exclusively limited to that role, not characters on their own. Geu-rae's mother is a bit of an exception, that's why I include her in the "3 female character" line-up.

Chief Oh's wife for example, I know absolutely nothing about her as a character (other than a mirror of Chief Oh's behaviour). I know how she reacts to Chief Oh coming home drunk or getting a promotion.

(I understand both the focus on male employers as well as the limitation on the "flawedness" of female characters considering this is a drama that targets a male audience. I still think it's a pity.)

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I hear what you're saying but again: this is about the newbies. How many times does a newbie in one department meet up with the finance department manager? In fact, even Geu Rae's meeting with managers is considered super important...and UNUSUAL. So the writer can't go with putting women in the story and allowing some other issue to take over the story when he is focused on Geu Rae primarily, then the Newbies, then the larger ensemble.

The way i see it, the writer has done a good job showing something we rarely see...why get harsh on him because he hasn't done more? This happens a lot with writers. One writes a story with one kind of oppression then someone comes up and says, "Why didn't you also write about this kind of oppression?" A story can hold just so much. Heck, there are relatively few women in this company.

And as i said, there are lots of imperfect women in this drama..but your definition of "perfect" is coloured by a western male viewpoint. Trust me: my feminist friends would find Young Yi a very weak flawed character.

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@Carole

"So the writer can’t go with putting women in the story and allowing some other issue to take over the story when he is focused on Geu Rae primarily, then the Newbies, then the larger ensemble."

They put more focus on Chief Oh than most of the newbies, many of the ass. managers are in the focus too. Why couldn't Seok-yul's psychopathic boss be a women? Why couldn't Baek-ki be a woman and Young-yi be a man?

(Of course, they cannot do that as they want to stick close to the source, that means I shouldn't "complain" to the show writer and more to the manhwa writer.)

"The way i see it, the writer has done a good job showing something we rarely see…why get harsh on him because he hasn’t done more? This happens a lot with writers."

(1) I'm not trying to be overly harsh here. It's not like the writing is suddenly bad or something just because the show fails on some kind of liberal political correct feminist metrics (Bechdel test anyone?). It's just that the show is so good that it took me 13 episodes to finally find something to bitch about.

(2) I think I understand the process that resulted in a character constellation like that. Characterisation, both in a TV drama or in a webtoon, is expensive. The story targets a male audience who likes to identify themselves with male characters, and because people are different, you need a diversity of good, but flawed male characters. Female characters don't need to be grey/flawed like real life characters because they are not meant for identification.

(3) I don't like the Michael Bay-ish variant of "strong female characters". That might be a personal thing, and I'm a bit on the overly sensitive side here. I could write a long essay about it, but I don't need to, someone else did years ago:
http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/08/18/why-strong-female-characters-are-bad-for-women/

As for your last paragraph, I hope that is answered by the combination of the post in the other thread and point (3) above.

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<<< It’s just that the show is so good that it took me 13 episodes to finally find something to bitch about.

Okay, but why are you trying so hard if you are enjoying it anyhow? If you like love chocolate ice-cream from a particular ice-cream parlour, are you going to go eat it 13 times just so you can finally find something to bitch about it?

<<< The story targets a male audience who likes to identify themselves with male characters, and because people are different, you need a diversity of good, but flawed male characters. Female characters don’t need to be grey/flawed like real life characters because they are not meant for identification.

I guess they are targeting a male audience and the focus is on more male characters, but I can tell you that I, as a female, find Young-yi one of the very, very few k-drama heroines that is real and that I can identify with (Hae-soo from IOIL was the only other one this year). I don't think she's perfect, or that she has everything and leads the perfect life. She's intelligent and highly capable and dealing with some awful shit at work in a very impressive manner, but I don't think for a second that she's having the time of her life. We also know little about personal life. She looks a bit lonely to me, you know – there's no indication so far that she's got any BFFs but rather it seems like her whole life is work. Which makes me wonder about her socialising skills. Of course, highly educated & pretty as she is no one shuns her, and yet, she doesn't seem to have anyone close to her. (Sort of like Geu-rae.) Anyhow, she's struggling. Maybe not as much because of "flaws" of her own, but that makes her struggle no less than that of others.

She's perfect from one point of view (educated & capable, check; beautiful and great body, check; multilingual & professional, check) but others will see imperfections in her: she's single & unmarried, something she can probably still get away with because of her age but if she does marry and continue working (which seems highly likely) plenty will see that as a flaw in her. Along the same lines, she's (too) outspoken/determined/forthright (even too independent and disobedient at times e.g. when she drives the van), which I would see as good, but that's the sort of thing that can get you called a "bitch" at work. Maybe that means nothing to you, but the sort of obstacles these kind of judgements put in your way are no different than, say, Geu-rae's "flaw" of not knowing foreign languages (which is something he can actually do something about, while she's fighting against a larger, patriarchal system that is slow to change). Heck, even the fact that she's a woman is a "flaw" in her "perfection" (imagine if she were a man! she'd be running her department!). Of course, from another perspective she's too obedient (bowing too much to everyone,...

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..., changing her shoes, running lowly errands etc), which then could be considered a flaw too.

I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself well, but I don't think any of these characters is perfect or leading a perfect life. I think it depends on from which angle you are looking at the character and what they are/do/feel. And in some cases their "imperfections" are things that come from within themselves (that they theoretically have the power to change), in other cases the "imperfections" are imposed on them by the system/prejudices (very difficult to deal with, even if the individuals themselves seem "perfect"). That's why I can relate to Young-yi. Plus, if I put myself in her shoes, I know on some days – even if I held it together at work – I'd spent the evening at home crying, feeling utterly frustrated and angry... and ultimately I'd feel totally worthless and incapable, and everything but perfect. (Sort of like Baek-ki does.)

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"Okay, but why are you trying so hard if you are enjoying it anyhow? If you like love chocolate ice-cream from a particular ice-cream parlour, are you going to go eat it 13 times just so you can finally find something to bitch about it?"

Yes, of course. I will try to find out WHY I like it, why I like it more than a similar one from another parlour, and I might even try to recreate it and maybe variate it and hopefully improve it at home. I'm probably weird.

" I, as a female, find Young-yi one of the very, very few k-drama heroines that is real and that I can identify with (Hae-soo from IOIL was the only other one this year)."

That's good to hear. (Especially because Ji Hae-soo is one of my favourite K-drama character.)

" I don't think she's perfect, or that she has everything and leads the perfect life."

There is no perfect life in this show (it's Misaeng for a reason, if you allow the pun).

"She's intelligent and highly capable and dealing with some awful shit at work in a very impressive manner, but I don't think for a second that she's having the time of her life."

In fact, she given the hardest challenges of all the newbies (and probably all characters on the show). And on top of that, she seems to be a bit struggling financially, there is this backstory thing, etc.
Then again, she handles everything pretty neatly, thanks to the combination of vast skill, endless patience, high intelligence, huge determination, ...
(Compare with Ji Hae-soo, who makes mistakes frequently, loses her patience all the time, starts bitching without reason, takes offense in very minor issues, ...)

"Anyhow, she's struggling. Maybe not as much because of "flaws" of her own, but that makes her struggle no less than that of others."

You know, that's another thing. Because of her outstanding skill set (both professionally AND morally), the writers go "courses for horses" with her and up her challenges.

"she's single & unmarried, something she can probably still get away with because of her age but if she does marry and continue working (which seems highly likely) plenty will see that as a flaw in her."

Yeah, well, that's probably some blind spot to me. I still cannot think that being single and unmarried is a flaw, even when I watch K-dramas.

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" Along the same lines, she's (too) outspoken / determined / forthright"

I'm not sure. Too outspoken? She barely answered when she was asked most of the time. The occasional answer itself might be a bit forthright ("I think it's harassment if the victim feels that way."), but as far as I can tell, that's still way below the usual bitch-line of K-dramas.

I use the show's own moral code as baseline, of course. And I use Mrs. Sun's argument concerning "What does right or wrong has to do with gender?" as an indicator that the show does NOT think that women should be quiet in a situation like the above. Which indicates that, by the show's own standard, Young-yi is NOT too outspoken.

(Similar arguments can be made about her determination, because that is what brings her boss around to support her. Even though I PERSONALLY think that this - combined with her obedience - should be considered a flaw, to allow others to treat her like that, the show doesn't seem to agree with me.)

"And in some cases their “imperfections” are things that come from within themselves (that they theoretically have the power to change), in other cases the “imperfections” are imposed on them by the system/prejudices (very difficult to deal with, even if the individuals themselves seem “perfect”). That’s why I can relate to Young-yi."

I didn't understand that part in full.
I understand the "my character is not out of order, the system is out of order" argument, different social contexts render different personal qualities valuable or obstructive, and there is very little you can do about that. However, then those are not character flaws, right?

I can relate with social stigmata (like, you know, being female in this office is one), prejudice-induced abuse, this kind of stuff. I also can relate to a situation where you are extremely qualified and still looked down upon.
I still can relate much better to someone like Baek-ki, who lacks a lot character-wise, because I can kind of "feel" him.
Somehow it seems I need character flaws to be able to do that thoroughly, much less situations. (Ji Hae-soo: Totally. I never was in the situations she's been in, but I could absolutely identify with her character.)

" I’d spent the evening at home crying, feeling utterly frustrated and angry… and ultimately I’d feel totally worthless and incapable, and everything but perfect. (Sort of like Baek-ki does.)"

Exactly. I get Baek-ki. I don't get Young-yi that well. Because she is too capable for me to get her. And she might squeeze a tear or feel lonely, but the next day she turns up at the office just as determined as before. Baek-ki, who has much, much less trouble objectively speaking, is frustrated and meets the head hunter.

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<<<Then again, she handles everything pretty neatly, thanks to the combination of vast skill, endless patience, high intelligence, huge determination, …
(Compare with Ji Hae-soo, who makes mistakes frequently, loses her patience all the time, starts bitching without reason, takes offense in very minor issues, …)

Well, Young-yi and Hae-soo have got very different personalities and react differently. They are also in rather different positions – Hae-soo is already well respected at her job, Young-yi is still fighting her way up and she doesn't really have the luxury of losing it. I find Young-yi's way of "keeping it together" very similar to Geu-rae's, they just bow and persist quietly. That's how they deal with things. Some people keep it in, others (Hae-soo) let it all out. That doesn't make Hae-soo more flawed, it just makes it harder for us to see Young-yi's flaws.

<<<Yeah, well, that’s probably some blind spot to me. I still cannot think that being single and unmarried is a flaw, even when I watch K-dramas.

Well, it's not a flaw for me either, but I've seen enough of Asian dramas and know enough people from different cultural backgrounds to know that this sort of thing can be a huge problem. One that I'd just be like "walk away from this, do what you want", but I've seen friends profoundly conflicted over this sort of thing.

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Do you really think a psychopathic female boss would be able to make it in that environment?

The other bosses would have kicked her out at the first hint of weirdness...and they would've accused her of not doing her work and making a man do her job.

Young Yi is a woman from a patriarchal environment doing what she has to do in order to survive. Remember, this is the girl who did the sexy kind of tease in the beginning first episode. There are feminine tools women in the business world use. And although i totally understand that, I think some women would consider it weak of Young Yi to cave like that.

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@Carole

"Do you really think a psychopathic female boss would be able to make it in that environment?"

I don't think it's more unlikely for a highly functional female psychopath to make it than for a male one.

"The other bosses would have kicked her out at the first hint of weirdness…and they would’ve accused her of not doing her work and making a man do her job."

(1) It's fabrics, not resources. They accepted Young-yi there despite her little weirdnesses well enough (and even allowed her to use rather unconventional measures in securing a contract).
(2) The thing about highly functional psychopaths is that they adapt extremely well. Often _better_ than mentally healthy people. The reason why Seok-yul's boss can pull off his thing is not because he is a man, but because he knows how to play his own boss. And because he is a psychopath, he is not emotionally attached to the characters he plays towards different people.
I don't see why a woman wouldn't be able to do the same.

"Young Yi is a woman from a patriarchal environment doing what she has to do in order to survive. Remember, this is the girl who did the sexy kind of tease in the beginning first episode. There are feminine tools women in the business world use. And although i totally understand that, I think some women would consider it weak of Young Yi to cave like that."

Only that she didn't do "the sexy kind of tease". That was a faux character introduction.

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I'm not really going into Young Yi's "perfection" of lack thereof, but I wanted to say that, as a woman working in an international company where most of the "executive" positions are still held by males, I'm pretty happy with the depiction of women in this drama so far, and I agree with much of Carole's comments. After all, there's only so much time to fit in everyone's stories when Geu Rae is the star of the show.

I'm glad that they're focusing on a handful of key female characters, but using them to illustrate the really important stuff, ie - the reality of what women experience in the workplace, and the impact it has on them/their impact on others/society.

I wouldn't disagree that women do have to work more, put up with more demeaning treatment (conscious and unconscious), and wait longer for promotions, pay rises, etc.
They also have to hold themselves to higher standards of behaviour and self-control - Baek Ki got drunk and was reprimanded for tardiness; but when Young Yi's name is so much as mentioned in connection with Mr Shin, it instantly exposes her to implications that she's "easy" (sorry if I'm jumping an episode ahead here).

Since many women (particularly Asian women) aren't in the habit of being verbally assertive or confrontational, Young Yi's shown great backbone and unusual strength of character in just being able to honestly state her opinion, when even the guys around her can't talk back to Manager Ha. Maybe it's not so much a question of "perfection" as maturity - she's just a bit more grown up than the boys around her.

She's definitely doing a whole heap of repressing, so I'm sure there's still plenty to explore about her character. Is she an only child as well? Might explain why she's very private and doesn't open up easily?

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I totally see your point, and I think it's a valid criticism of the show (or the original source material, more likely).

I love Young Yi, but I feel like she is practically a saint dealing with all the day to day sexism and misogyny at this company. I'd like to see a contrasting female character who doesn't deal with it well...who lets it get to her and becomes bitter and unlikeable (that's probably how I would deal with it tbh haha)

You can write about women dealing with sexism and double standards at work and still make them flawed (the main TV example I can think of off the top of my head is Peggy and Joan on Mad Men...)

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You state that Ms. Sun is portrayed as perfect? Not really, in fact, her daughter's drawing showed how her career affected her motherhood, making her a mother without a face in the eyes of her daughter. That was quite telling the difficulties a woman has to juggle both "jobs"/facet of her life. That makes her quite human and a great way to showcase women in the corporate world. Same with Young-Yi who practically has to debase herself by becoming somewhat of a maid for her male colleagues, so that she can make herself useful to her department, regardless of the fact that she has all these qualifications. Again, quite a realistic portrayal of women in the workplace

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here after years because i missed Misaeng and ended up reading all comments too and it baffled me how there's almost not even one person who got what this comment was trying to say and accused it as something else altogether or just shifted the issue to something else when the criticism was rather clear. i guess people here just want to see strong perfect female main characters...and when i say perfect, it's not referring to hoe they handle the challenges but their 'kind' and noble nature that almost had no layers unlike the flawed male characters. but yeah people will make it into a different argument so it's a waste of effort here. people tend to be overprotective of their favs, i see this no different than how passionate idol fans are. but you see, the drama cam be superb n still has flaw. nothing wrong with admitting it. this comment really do make me realize that indeed women in this drama were portrayed as 'imperfect' angels. while men were imperfect humans. notice the difference? probably not. i still think this is the best drama ever. but it is what it is. makes me think that maybe the drama target isn't male viewers as many thought, because by making the female characters all fair just noble angelic, it appeals more to female viewers, likewise making flawed men. if it is to appeal to male viewers as claimed, it's more logical to reverse the nature of the characters.

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"The other executives walk out in a good mood as well, praising the presentation for manifesting the spirit of the salaryman. "

I don't know why everyone keep translating 상사맨 as 'salaryman' or 'businessman'. Salaryman is just any white-collor businessman who work for company.
One international is 상사(trading company) and 상사맨 is 'salesman'.

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This is... so ridiculous. I am so, so proud of BaekKi's when he's not even real and, I'm not crying. These are just tears coming out of my eyes.

Like I've said before, I relate the most to BaekKi, since I think so much like him and this episode just broke me.

Like BaekKi, I was SO AFRAID to ask for something not obviously accepted (like him wanting to ask his boss for a beer). I want to ask, but then my mind would become crowded with: Can I? Can I really? Am I allowed to? What if he rejects me? Can I ask of such a thing? and then I end up backing out.

Like BaekKi, I was so consumed with the concept drilled into my head by all the adults (when I was younger) that you must study hard so that you will succeed and the narrow concept of success (getting a good job, being a high-flier... etc) is so drilled into me that I saw anything else as a failure, and I was afraid to be the failure. I didn't dare walk off the beaten path. So I studied real hard, worked my ass off for that perfect resume.

Like BaekKi, I believed so strongly in all those arbitrary rules, like following procedures and consulting with your direct boss before barging towards your big boss, because that's what teachers taught us. The school rules kept students in check like that. And because society is organised like that. But then there comes a bright-eyed bushy-tailed caricature who breaks all these rules and succeeds... while I just end up running around in my spot and never moving. Because the rules I believed in don't work...? I worked my ass off, I followed the recipe, but, the recipe that I believed in my whole life... doesn't work?

I didn't even realise that I had been sobbing when BaeKKi was drinking alone and had all those flashbacks when he had admonished GeuRae. To me, the frustration was so palpable and real, because with each incident, it just slapped all his/my beliefs, it just hollered that he/I was wrong and that the last _(insert age here)_ years of his/my life was a lie. At that point, you just ending having this self-esteem-crushing thought: so I'm just a stupid, useless thing, huh. And remember, I was so afraid of failure/ not being the best, that the thought just crumbled my own self-worth. I was angry I was so stupid. I was frustrated that I was so stupid. I was confused because I was so stupid.

Like BaekKi, I was mortified of showing the rest my weaknesses. Because I didn't believe that others had the same weakness as I had, and I didn't want to seem like a failure. So I kept to myself. In public, I was nothing less than perfect. If someone was better than me, I was a failure.

Because BaekKi's story was laid out so bare this episode, I just cried through the episode. It was like, all my weaknesses were spilled out, right there in this episode, and someone... understood. I'm amazed that someone even understood what I was going through, without judging. Not many people understand what I went through, what...

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... ...what I felt. I just seem arrogant to everyone else. They thought I didn't talk because I was proud, they thought that I was angry because I was jealous. No, I didn't talk because I don't want you to know my weaknesses and I am angry because I'm not living up to my own high standards.

My biggest obstacle was my ego and only accepting what I accept. That's BaekKi's problem too.

I'm so glad I grew up. I'm so glad he's growing up.

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Are you me? You basically encapsulate why Misaeng hits me like a ton of bricks. Baek-Ki character is practically me in a male form. Gah, this show

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awwww yeahhhh shirtless guys :)

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he starts off by getting mad at Young-yi for not wearing stocking socks with her heels. <- He got mad not because of stocking but because of heels. He was talking about the clanking sound of heels, that it makes other people bother(No, your shouting does!!!). So next time he called YY, she was wearing flat shoes.

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Obviously, this is one gigantic hell hole of a place to work, a summation of all the terrible things that have happened to corporates across the world, but all at one time in one place happening to just four newbies.

Still, MiSaeng has such a Korean flavor to it, it is good to see and I am enjoying this drama immensely.

I hope Seok Yool makes peace with his asswipe superior, and I hope Department Head Ma gets sucked into a wood chipper.

But mostly, I hope that RIGHT AFTER Geu Rae gets offered a full time position at One Inter, that he says "EFF ALL YALL, I AM OUTTA HERE BITCHES" and leaves to become a hand model for Samsung Cell Phones.

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"....and I hope Department Head Ma gets sucked into a wood chipper."

HAHAHAHAHA!you feed him to the wood chipper, i'll put the pieces in the blender!

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Best Laugh of the day! Thanks!

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I was just coming back to the recap to star it and ended up reading ALL OF IT again (because that is how good this show is), and now I'm laughing at the hand model comment. Im Shi-wan does have beautiful hands!

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The one on the card: isnt it "it couldnt have been better"?? As in in reference to chief oh always asking for ahn young yi in his team, he is now saying geu rae is tne perfect fit... ?? Lol

I cried so much on that part... to get that acknowledgement you sooo wanted..

And could that boss really do that to young yi... he could be sued right... grrrr

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oh goshhh, this show!! ❤❤❤

Chief Oh and Jang Geu-rae just make me weep!! Just thinking about the concluding scene gets me teary-eyed!

RE: "It couldn't have been better" - it's just a difference in the translations b/w soompi and viki. I want to go back and watch this show w/ viki subs as “Jang Geu-rae, you couldn’t have done any better. YES!” just resonates so much more w/ me and has a deeper meaning.

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Easily my favorite episode so far. What I love the most about this show is that it makes me appreciate my own work. Given that I never pegged myself to be the office worker that I am now, this show always leaves me feeling inspired to do better and work better.

I also love that this show is not for casual viewers who wrould just want to pass time. This is a kind of show that needs your full attention. It is mostly in the little nuances, the veiled dialogues, the lingering glances that we get the feeling they would want to convey. Characters are just so real and human.

Simply put I love this show to bits.

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Diversity in the Workplace: Attitudes toward diversity originate at the top and filter downward.

Sadly, there weren't any women executives at the meeting sitting inside of One International's boardroom to listen to the sales pitch/presentation by Sales Team 3.

What Keeps Women From Advancing to Higher Ranks?

Glass Ceiling: an invisible but real barrier through which the next stage or level of advancement (upper limit in corporations and other organizations) can be seen, but it is difficult or impossible for qualified and deserving women to rise in the ranks.

Invisible Forces: unequal pay rates, required to make sacrifices in order to balance family life with a career. If a woman takes maternity leave, she may lose out on career advancement, being in the club, networking, future involvement in an organization, and re-entering the workforce.

A Barrier That Exists & Is Hard To Shatter: due to implicit prejudice on the basis of age, ethnicity, political or religious affiliation, and/or sex.

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The efficient LG Pop is a great handset for most demographics of mobile mobile users.

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My favourite episode so far!

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