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Yong-pal: Episode 17

It’s Yong-pal’s penultimate episode, and can be safely considered an exercise in patience as we get an hour full of misinformation, deception, and a staggering lack of inaction from those characters we maybe haven’t come to necessarily depend on, but who should be bringing more to the table this late in the meal. Yeo-jin finds herself to be a crocodile without teeth, Chae-young spins a complicated(?) revenge web for her to get caught up in, and Tae-hyun’s spirit animal continues to be a slightly disinterested koala. Gird your loins, say your prayers, and expect the unexpected—but remember to rein in those expectations a little bit. Then a little more. A little more. There, now you’re ready.

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EPISODE 17 RECAP

Six months have passed according to Tae-hyun, who tells us in voiceover that he’s opened a small private clinic in a rural town, free from catering to the privileged class or making house calls for gangsters. He’s content.

His home may be humble, but it’s never empty—So-hyun seems fully recovered from her surgery and is now living with her brother, as is his former bodyguard. He and So-hyun seem to have something going on, too.

Comparatively, Yeo-jin enjoys a cold meal with equally cold business people before Chairman Choi crashes their non-party to ask her for mercy. Her tactics have put Daejung’s finances in a sore spot, and while Chairman Choi acknowledges that he lost the war against them and surrendered, Yeo-jin has no kindness to spare for him.

While being dragged away, Chairman Choi leaves her with some ominous parting words: since his son was killed by her brother and he killed her brother in turn, now that Yeo-jin has killed him, who will kill her? Well, out of the five remaining cast members…

Since Doo-chul’s funds were used to establish Tae-hyun’s clinic, the gangster-turned-shareholder takes it upon himself to sit there and give Tae-hyun doctoring advice while he treats a miniature patient.

Then it’s his turn, but Tae-hyun isn’t as gentle with his old buddy as he advises him to stop drinking so heavily, since that would alleviate most of his problems. Now that Tae-hyun’s considered a community leader in his small town, the nun from the church he and Yeo-jin stayed at helps to keep him on task when it comes to inoculating the local children.

Chae-young visits frequently, and Tae-hyun finds her helping to bathe the children with a huge smile on her face. She seems much more laid back now, with Tae-hyun noting that she wouldn’t have even dreamed of manual labor before. Since he still calls her “madam,” Chae-young tells him to stop with the formalities. He can just call her noona from now on.

She asks if he misses being the chairwoman’s husband, to which Tae-hyun unhesitatingly replies that he doesn’t. “I miss it,” she says on a sigh. She feels responsible for what happened to Do-joon, and refuses to let Tae-hyun blame himself either.

But when she asks if he’s spoken to Yeo-jin lately, he becomes uncomfortable and changes the subject. He has to leave her to attend to the children, and Chae-young’s smile fades as she thinks, “My revenge began a long time ago.” You mean six months ago?

Meanwhile, Secretary Min informs Yeo-jin that Chairman Choi attempted to commit suicide, but was found before he expired by his chief secretary. Yeo-jin misses Min’s almost triumphant smile as she leaves him at the threshold of her home, stumbling only when she’s out of sight, reeling from the news.

Looking up at the portrait of her father in tears, Yeo-jin asks, “How did you get through it, Father?” But then she looks up to the stairwell and sees a vision of Do-joon there, causing her to fall over in a dead faint.

When she wakes, the first thing she asks the head maid is if she fainted again, which means this isn’t an isolated occurrence. Her main concern is that rumors of her fainting spells don’t leak out, so much so that she refuses to even see a doctor about her condition.

The head maid, however, feels like it’s normal for her to be in shock after finding out that someone tried to commit suicide because of her. I’d be inclined to agree that’s so for normal people, but not for someone who already has two dead bodies to their name. Just saying.

Yeo-jin takes some time to reflect on Tae-hyun’s offer for her to leave everything and come to him, since he’d be waiting for her no matter what.

Tae-hyun’s world certainly looks like it’s much more fun, as he shares drinks with Nurse Oh, Nurse Ahjumma, Doo-chul, and his ever faithful and perpetually unnamed lackey. “I’ve never been so happy,” Tae-hyun muses aloud.

“I’m happy when So-hyun is mean to me, I’m happy when I don’t get paid for a consultation. I’m even happy when [Doo-chul] brings me gangsters,” he continues. It’s only when he mentions the happiness the breeze brings to him that he thinks of Yeo-jin, who said the same thing on the hospital rooftop.

In silence and to himself, Tae-hyun thinks, “Yeo-jin, you should come find me soon.” As if she heard his thoughts (despite the fact that she can see him from her car), Yeo-jin thinks, “Tae-hyun-ah, I want to join you.” She almost does, but is stopped in her tracks when she sees Chae-young join Tae-hyun’s party.

While Tae-hyun remains unaware that Yeo-jin was even near, Chae-young’s bright smile fades as she watches Yeo-jin’s car drive away. As for Yeo-jin, she looks heartbroken as she thinks to herself, “I’m glad you’re happy.”

Yeo-jin makes a speech to commemorate the opening of a new Hanshin factory, but while at the podium, she sees the smiling face of President Go amongst the crowd. She tries hard to recover, but finds the task impossible when her brother also pops up at her side asking her what’s wrong.

She promptly faints in front of all the assembled press, while Secretary Min looks on impassively. Tae-hyun sees the event unfold on the news with his former bodyguard, who gets up knowing that Tae-hyun is going to see her.

Tests are performed on an unconscious Yeo-jin, who wakes with a start when a nurse attempts to put an IV in her arm. She adamantly refuses, having been justly traumatized by IVs before, only for the doctor to tell her that it’s nothing serious—she’s got slight anemia, and is mostly suffering from fatigue and stress.

While it’s shocking to hear a diagnosis this late in a show’s run that’s not some sort of life-threatening illness, Yeo-jin dismisses Secretary Min to ask the doctor if stress can also cause hallucinations, specifically hallucinations of dead people. Her doctor says yes, but when he recommends hospitalization, Yeo-jin scoffs that she’d rather die than be hospitalized at Hanshin.

But as it turns out about the diagnosis: psych! The truth is being kept from Yeo-jin, while her shareholders learn and laugh about her stage two liver cancer. On top of that, she’s even hallucinating! Ho ho ho.

They congratulate Chae-young on a job well done (doing what?) and offer her more shares for her part. She’s less interested in those than she is in getting revenge for Do-joon.

Tae-hyun greets Yeo-jin in the lobby as she walks out with her entourage, but at first, Yeo-jin wonders if he’s just another hallucination. They make awkward and stilted small talk for a moment before Tae-hyun asks if she’s sure she’s not sick, but before she can answer, all the shareholders who’d delighted in her diagnosis grovel at her feet like they’re all just so worried.

Before Tae-hyun leaves, Yeo-jin calls out his name. He turns, and she congratulates him on his clinic. It’s clear they both have more to say, but neither of them are ready to say it. Way to be useful as always, Tae-hyun.

Tae-hyun next pays a visit to Chief Lee, who’s unbelievably still employed as a surgeon (Hanshin Hospital: Where you go to end it all), to ask him about Yeo-jin’s checkup.

Meanwhile, one of Yeo-jin’s maids drugs her drink on Chae-young’s orders, because that’s how you get cancer these days. Or just hallucinations. Either way, Yeo-jin drinks it, hallucinates immediately, and never suspects with her keen crocodile mind that something might be in the water.

At least Tae-hyun’s suspicious, considering that Chief Lee couldn’t get access to Yeo-jin’s medical scans even with his clearance level. But again, he’s not doing a whole lot about it, while Yeo-jin refuses her head maid’s offer to call in Tae-hyun—a doctor they can actually trust—to see her.

“Look at me. I’m a monster,” Yeo-jin grits out. “I don’t want to hurt him anymore.” The head maid tries to convince her that he’d never see her that way, and ends up being the only one who knows where Yeo-jin’s going when she leaves the house, since Chae-young’s spy isn’t told anything.

Despite that, Chae-young is still able to track Yeo-jin down outside Tae-hyun’s clinic, having known that’s where she would go. Their conversation is awkward, even more so when Chae-young lets slip that she and Director Kim (aka Tae-hyun) have a noona/dongsaeng relationship now.

“Tae-hyun is happy,” Chae-young tells her. “He says that he’s never been happy like this before, so I hope you leave him alone. Let him be happy.” Yeo-jin nods, before admitting shakily that she’s been seeing Do-joon. Chae-young breaks down into tears and does the “I see him in every flower, in the smile on every child’s face” routine, all to make Yeo-jin feel guilty.

And it works, since Yeo-jin also breaks down, though more because Chae-young finds subtle ways to bring up how good a person Tae-hyun is in order to make Yeo-jin feel bad enough to keep her distance from him. That way, she won’t find out she has cancer till it’s too late, or something.

“Tae-hyun-ah, wait just a little longer for me,” Yeo-jin thinks in the direction of his clinic. “I will come down from the thirteenth floor soon.” But she almost runs him over with her car while hallucinating, and faints behind the wheel the second Tae-hyun worriedly recognizes her.

She wakes in his home and smiles when she sees him. He takes her up to the rooftop, where she comments on how fitting “First Floor Clinic” is as his clinic’s name. When he asks if she’s well, she replies that she’s suffering from stress—an illness she sees as almost karmic—but when he asks if she’s having a hard time, she goes silent.

In her mind however, she thinks the words she wants so desperately to say: “Yes, I am having a hard time.” Tae-hyun wants her to get a full checkup, though she says she already got checked out. Never does it cross her mind that she once wanted to be diagnosed at any hospital but Hanshin—apparently their diagnoses are now foolproof to her. Because script.

She also adds that it’s a disease of the mind, causing Tae-hyun to gather her in his arms and gently say: “Whether it’s a disease of the mind or body, I’ll treat it for you. Don’t worry.” That’s reassuring from the doctor who has to make phone calls to more experienced doctors in order to diagnose people.

Yeo-jin nestles into his arms and tells him she’ll be coming down from the thirteenth floor soon enough, which catches Tae-hyun by happy surprise. “I’ve already made up my mind,” she adds. “If I come back, will you take me?”

By way of answer, Tae-hyun pulls her closer and kisses her forehead. “You’re already back.” He calls her an idiot for good measure, and they both lean in for a slow kiss. She pulls away with tears streaking her face before he pulls her in for another, longer kiss.

Secretary Min has come to collect Yeo-jin, and while Tae-hyun would rather send him away, Yeo-jin plans to go with him so she can get some of her things and sort out her baggage—the emotional kind, which he can’t help her with.

His eyes glisten as he tells her not to go, his attempts at making more logical plans falling on deaf ears. But Yeo-jin tells him not to worry, reminding him that she never changes her mind once she’s made it up.

Tae-hyun tries again to stop her from leaving, this time wrapping his arms around her from behind. She relishes in the embrace a moment before turning back to him with a soft and reassuring smile. “I’ll be back soon,” said no character who ever comes back soon.

She sets of Secretary Min’s warning bells when she tells him to assemble an emergency board meeting for tomorrow morning while refusing to tell him why. Her maid seems to catch onto his interest in the water Yeo-jin’s drinking, considering his maniacal smirking habit.

The head maid doesn’t mention it to Yeo-jin, who reminisces about her long tenure in the house. A bit humorously, Yeo-jin remembers that the maid always liked Do-joon better, which she awkwardly covers for by saying that Yeo-jin had confidence and needed nothing, while Do-joon was always in need of sympathy.

Despite her many years of service, the head maid reports Yeo-jin’s actions to Secretary Min and his cronies. They tell her Yeo-jin has cancer like they’re commenting on the wall color, and her reaction reflects that. However, since Yeo-jin is now dying, they need the head maid’s help to ensure that Yeo-jin stays away from Tae-hyun until they can revise her will so that he’s no longer her heir.

The head maid agrees to their schemes, though whether she’s got a plan of her own is up for grabs (or it’s just my fervent hope that there’s more going on). Apparently they have the power to issue a restraining order against Tae-hyun without Yeo-jin knowing or interfering, which, whatever.

Secretary Min goes to the War Room to disband everyone on Yeo-jin’s behalf, utterly baffling her staff. As for the legitimate questions they ask about the work she’d assigned them, Secretary Min gives illegitimate and roundabout answers that do nothing but leave everyone confused. At least the quiet staff member finds it strange that he’s suddenly been locked out of the Hanshin system.

Yeo-jin wakes up that morning to find Do-joon sitting at the foot of her bed, asking her if she slept well. She screams.

 
COMMENTS

Huh? What? Okay, let me see if I’ve got this right: In order to take revenge on Yeo-jin for Do-joon’s murder, Chae-young has been drugging Yeo-jin’s drink. Either her one and only goal was to induce hallucinations to weaken Yeo-jin, in which case, mission accomplished—or, if the initial scene with her and the board members was any indication (and I desperately hope it wasn’t), then they were congratulating Chae-young for Yeo-jin’s cancer diagnosis and, to a lesser extent, her hallucinations.

I honestly feel silly for even writing that down, but I’m actually baffled by this cancer revelation in a way that cancer revelations don’t normally baffle me. We don’t know what Chae-young’s revenge actually entails, and as unbelievable as the idea of inducing cancer actually is, the way everyone handled that would-be bombshell was beyond bizarre. The board members were as excited as schoolboys over the diagnosis and quick to commend Chae-young for her efforts, so if I’m the one hallucinating, then it’d still mean that Chae-young’s revenge was just to induce hallucinations, and that Yeo-jin just happened to contract a very convenient case of Finale Week Cancer.

So if I’m not as crazy as this show is, then Chae-young somehow managed to induce full blown cancer in Yeo-jin in a span of six months, which I simply refuse to believe is a real thing. That can’t at all have been the intention of those scenes, however vague they left things, even if sussing out the order of events leaves me with more of a headache than anything. For instance, let’s say the doctor examined Yeo-jin, discovered her cancer, but took it straight to Chae-young first—Chae-young would’ve had to make the conscious decision that not telling Yeo-jin and allowing her to go untreated would eventually lead to her death and the culmination of her revenge, even if that would make the whole drugging subplot kind of moot.

Or, her plan revolved around just drugging Yeo-jin, and the fact that she’s now dying from a random and unforeseen cancer ultimately means little to Chae-young because something. I’m going to be completely transparent here and admit that I have absolutely no idea what’s going on, or even what’s supposed to be going on now that Yeo-jin has Cancer. Because it couldn’t have been anything even remotely related to her three-year coma, but instead had to be sudden and advanced Cancer. Why, Yong-pal? Why?

After episodes spent building Yeo-jin up as this tough, cunning, and ultimately ruthless businesswoman, it’s more than a little confusing to see all that competence fail her when it matters most. The current (as of last episode) iteration of Yeo-jin this show tried desperately to sell to us wouldn’t be so unsuspecting when it came to those around her, especially with the track record people like Secretary Min have. That iteration of Yeo-jin wouldn’t have bought a single word coming out of a Hanshin doctor’s mouth, and yet we now have a fragile and mentally unraveling version of Yeo-jin going into the finale, one that believes she’s just fainting from stress despite what should be a very vivid and recent trauma of being drugged by her enemies.

Only now she’s in a waking coma, with about as much agency as she had when she was locked away. With her death potentially looming, and with Tae-hyun just continuing to be a scoop of vanilla ice cream, I have no idea what the finale has in store for us. But at this rate it definitely can’t be uninteresting, so, there’s always that.

 
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What the..?! all of these people are in to kill her just like in episode 1, so why be such a sadist and give her a slow death, what did she ever do to deserve it?! She just avenged herself for what her brother did to her. why can't they just kill her right there and then, end of story, do whatever you want with her all empire for all she cares!

Damn, all of those people plotting against her, starting from the traitor of all traitors Secretary Min, off with his head!! Chae Yong, I don't know what your drama is, too late the grieving widow when you so despised your husband when he was alive knowing that he's not doing it right. It seems all you want is getting revenge, any cause will do for as long as you can have a project Revenge going on, maybe you should just die,too, so you can Rest In Peace, bye! and all of those in cahoots should be dealt with accordingly.

Ahjumma head maid: I'm counting on you to have a conscience and save the day. and with the helf of those guys from the war room make those business associates go bankrupt.

Yeo Jin, am about to go watch ep 18 so you better as bad ass as you should be coz this is supposed to be your fight. Tae hyun will help you, but this seems to be your battlezone, not his. But Yong Pal is supposed to be the hero but you need to punish those frigging people. Oh, I am seething in anger right now, I hate, hate, hate those traitors!!!

c'mon, Show... please, chebal, give me a good ending. A satisfactory one, don't disappoint me. I invested too much time for you to just let me down. Yea.

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psssttt! Mess! I shouldve dropped this drama on episode 6. The plot keeps getting weirder and makjang. What the hell with Lee Chae-young revenge? Wasnt she completely hate her husband to death before? If I know it would turn up like this, I prefer the scriptwriter to plagiarize the webtoon till the end!

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I know right, I feel like somehow with his death, now he's the most precious thing in her eyes, which I find weird considering how badly she was treated by him all the time they were together

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her revenge is somewhat is unnecessary

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she's a sadistic character who's too rich and too bored. when she became an outcast, she missed the power that came with being Mrs. Han. she also kind of has to resent YJ after YJ just totally dropped her after the makeover and ignored her father. i find the character actually really consistent. she admitted she would've used YJ for her own good, too, and/or locked her up in a different hospital if she had gotten to her first.

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I try find an exact sample to describe Chae Young, and you done it with these word : " she's a sadistic who's too rich and too BORED". Damn true.

I feel she's just a rich chaebol who doesn't have any specific dream, nor enough ambition or power to fight literal in this chaebol war.

She seeing her world uninterested, so find a true love outside her world, make her all excited, but let's be honest, she did used all advantages n sourced it out from entitled as Mrs. Han, but she also too bored, and having a petty pickled 'war' with Do Joon, to 'spice' her life up, just for the sake to not becoming a straight up lower hand wife/ typical chaebol wife in her husband eye

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"she’s a sadistic character who’s too rich and too bored."

Agreed.

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@ I like strawberries

Agreed. CY is a mild version of Jezebel - scheming, controlling, deceptive, manipulative...

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What happened to Chae-young's dad, by the way? If he'd been the one to die rather than President Go I might understand all of this, but... Right now it just seems like Chae-young is a delusional psychopath so narcissistic that she reorders the world around her games. Espionage with President Go, cat and mouse with her husband, lonely but noble wife with Tae Hyun. Bizarre.

And I assume the only reason Secretary Min doesn't have a moustache to twirl evilly is because the plot whipped around so quickly that not only could he not grow one, but makeup refused to glue one to his face based on breaking continuity.

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@Miranda - I really laughed at this one. You are so funny!

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LOL on the moustache. Good catch, Miranda..

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@Miranda. That was soooo funny!! I had a good laugh!

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Yep! If I have learned anything from Yong Pal it's that when my Spidey-senses tell me a drama is a HOT MESS early on I need to listen to them and drop it like it's on fire, not wait around hoping it will get better. I watched this like lookie-loos watch car crashes and I want those 16.5 (I skipped a couple eps in favor of recaps) of my life back! When will Joo Won do another drama that doesn't suck? I haven't liked anything he's done since Gaksital.

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Yong Pal. Loved it. Hated it. Watched it. Dumped it. Read the recaps. Started watching it again. Loved it. Really loved it. Won't watch episode 17 after reading the recap. Really really jjinja hope that episode 18 is back to good again so I can love it.

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Read the comments on viewing sites. Everyone hated Ep 17. So I skipped it, to save myself an hour and a lot of frustration. Thank goodness for Spoilers.

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I liked episode 17! You just have to enjoy the crazy as it unfolds, lol. Is poisoning someone and giving them cancer in the process any more out there than keeping someone in a medically-induced coma for three years? This is not unexpected for this show.

The problem I have with this show is that sometimes I enjoy it on a more serious level, and then sometimes I enjoy it because it's just wacky. Occasionally it bores me with a bunch of flashbacks, and that's bad, but mostly it's entertaining. I just wish it was more consistent.

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Thank you for saying this!

The problem with this show was the inconsistent pacing. Actually, it's not even the pacing per se. I can't put a word to it. Maybe the tone?

By and large, the episodes are usually chock a block with stuff happening, even though it's not always action. I love the long dialogues because the scripts were wonderful. Kind of funny how I enjoy it as much as the action.

Perhaps because it has a mix of genres and many things going almost all at once, they couldn't juggle them as seamlessly as they could.

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Yeah, I actually liked the weird mix of genres. But I think it has both inconsistent pacing and weird tonal shifts. With such an odd mix of things, it would probably make it harder to keep it feeling consistent too. Lol, I don't know what's the problem either. It was at least on-and-off good, and on-and-off fun, and not necessarily at overlapping times. But there were always enough good parts to keep me going.

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I'm not an editor, nor yet yet a dramatist (is there such a word?), but I suspect that the product was not at fault, but that the overall editing lagged behind the production aspects and had to continually try to play catch-up to the detriment of the final product. Live production and all: maybe it just doesn't allow time always for skillful and seamless editing? And maybe, the overall production values can sometimes get lost in just "following script"? Just kind of wondering out loud...

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@Audrey

I don't know too. I guess it's probably the PD and editor?

It could be the writing too. While I fully understand why ep 7 to 9 had to happen in that way, I am still wondering if there's another way to stay true to the story but do it differently so that the result is better.

Another thing is while it's good to be one step ahead of your viewers or make an intelligent drama which needs careful watching with your head on, was the writer expecting too much from the viewers?

Elsewhere there are criticisms of this drama which are valid. I may not share the same POV but I can see why they think that way. Is it normal to have such clear divide from faithful viewers? Maybe a perfect drama is one which gets a consensus most of the time?

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@ SS, Audrey, noname

A typical one hour show would require at least four weeks of editing. I think the Koreans are phenomenal to do this under two weeks (?)...

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@SS, Shuerei, I like strawberries, sera, Audrey... everyone.... nice to read all.... the good, the bad and the ugly. Lol. Im sticking to my guns and still saying this ep was great. In fact, it was awesomeness! Wanna talk about the parts that were the most awesome to each of us? :)

Before I get to the parts... I have to say the No.1 awesome factor about this ep was how it fooled me in the beginning... After being fed shots of TH looking content and nonchalant, DJ looking alive and well, Chae Young helping children and YJ looked tortured, missing TH but looking completely resolute... I was like... "Gosh...is this show really doing this? Is it seriously gonna make YJ irredeemable, demonized and condemned? Why does CY get to be at peace and totally happy, hanging out with TH and YJ does not? In what universe, does a guy that loves woman as much as these two do but can't be with her look this happy (referring to TH)? YJ, in the end, became the best reactor ofoff eveeverything that had happened to her, as far as I was concerned!

I keep saying there was a time skip. An entire six months. People can do a lot with 6 MONTHS. Just saying.

I was pleasantly pleased with how the show brought me back on track after I was on the brink of breaking apart at the trajectory it fooled me that it was taking lol. I even had to take a beat from watching to breathe easy before continuing.

I loved this ep.

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@Affie you are infectious with your delight :D

Overall, it was a good episode.

Maybe you are right. the drama likes us to think. Sometimes a bit too much.

I was like screaming at TH for smiling at CY and see her evil face for once. Then, I realized he had very little reason to doubt her. Men should pay more attention to a woman's intuition. TH never really knew why YJ hated CY so. YJ should have told him plainly because you know, men are like bricks. It would take him too long a time to figure out.

To TH, CY had a right to dislike YJ. She blamed YJ for DJ's death and TH couldn't argue with that either since YJ did have a part to play indirectly. Then CY going all saintly, volunteering at the orphanage and bathing kids, fooled TH. And we must remember CY had always treated him well.

So if we see from TH's POV, his actions are perfectly understandable. But as a viewer, I had to refrain from reaching into the screen and shaking him to his senses. I forgot he does not know what we as viewers know.

This show expects viewers to think for themselves, they don't show you everything. Yet, when you take a moment and think, things made sense. It is intriguing and wonderful if you like to think through your drama. At the same time, I can see why most of it just flew over viewers' heads.

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@ affie, SS

Now that you mentioned it Affie, the previews are amazingly deceptive...and yes, ep 17 is very touching and I am really convinced with KTH's acting.

And I agree with both your take on TH-CY. Overall, CY is painted as a smart woman so she can be quite convincing in fooling everyone around her. Including me!!! Thumbs up to CJA for playing her so well.

And I think TH doesn't really know CY well - likely, he never really bothered coz I think the only woman he ever analyzed (or attempt to understand) is YJ. The only girl he ever tried to be friends with, the only person that he seems to take a personal interest - in her life, her thoughts, her motivations, her feelings....is YJ.

It requires a lot of discernment to know a person's true intention. In the case of CY, she has mastered the skill well that Pres Go was the only one who figured it out and attempted to kill her for it. Can't have too many serpents in the same lair...

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Hahaha.. You are not alone, dear.. ^^

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I truly loved it from ep 1-6 only, seriously is so brilliant.

from ep 7-18, It just feel an obligation to watch Wed-Thurs's drama that I've been watching thru,
just get along, waiting before new drama coming up..

I have so many expectation or to be exact, have many dreams and tunnels to channeling their next plan, their arc, the redemption, the doctor-saving-life-noble-motto, the struggling to keep it in right way, the power hunger, the money-snake-YongPal, the torture soul, the desperation of our hero & heroines, love conquer all but with blood sacrificed above all, ah...

This drama will be one I won't forget, very memorable, but I'm not sure if is in the good way..

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I only want to say one thing: Just rewatched ep 17 on my big tv and enjoyed it much more, because I knew what to expect, just sat back, relaxed and took it for what it was. First time around I expected something different. This is why I usually watch something twice.

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Inducing cancer actually is possible with the drug benzene, but there are a billion other harmful effects that aren't cancer.

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Oh, but then again, that's only with leukemia. It still is stupid. Joo Won is an amazing actor and Kim Tae-hee is faring better than I thought she would, but the two of them had absolutely no chemistry and the romance was poorly-written and forced. I wish Cynthia was the female lead.

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cant agree with you, this OTP had so much feels when they are together.chemistry is awesome!

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I dunno why, maybe because KTH is my bias, so my judgement on their chemistry is poor, but everytime I watch their scene together, there are so much feels. Their rooftop kiss for e.g , so many feels. Anyway, i dunno about chemistry and how ppl make analysis on the chemistry, but for me as long as their relationship is believable in my eyes, i can accept it.

I love Cynthia, but i will prefer her as best friend to TH.

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At least we will get to see Cynthia again briefly in the end!

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As much as I loved Cinthya, I actually like these 2 together- sure their romance escalated very quickly, but they have enough chemistry to sell it

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They should have gone for liver damage cause that can be caused by taking too much drugs. Or something. Err....

*gives up trying to make sense*

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O...k carlos.

Anyway, Heads....you summed up my thoughts exactly. The cancer plot was pretty *rolls eyes*....

I'm not sure what happened this episode. Just watched it and the finale in one sitting.

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This drama shouldve renamed to Oh My Yeojin-nim since her character overshadowed Taehyun, no more medical action scene and all people seem to be able to see ghosts every where every time.

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I love this drama and WonHee couple

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Poor YJ, i love YP

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Hehehe! What an irony....I... was under the impression that some people weren't going to watch this show with their brains ;). Now I see they're in full gear. Maybe less cynicism could assist understanding. Meanwhile... I've gotta go to bed now. Later.

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Have a nice sleep, Affie.

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@sera! Hiyyyyyaaa! :) Thx so much! I slept so well.... I fell asleep listening to K.Will's OST for YJ and TH, lol. So lovely. I woke up and just had to come check out the page again and I'm so glad to see your message :D!

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[email protected] try to do some "fort holding" while you're gone.

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Yay! @Audrey! I can smiiiiiiilllleeee because you are like sunshine on these pages, lol! Can't wait to read the rest of your commentary.... hi fives*!

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@Affie, So glad to see you back and really hope you rested well! It's good to see you so perky and raring to go! I know I missed you and so have others we both could name...

Was going to just wind down after reading a few last comments, but nope, not now! Gotta, really have to see your responses!

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Less cynicism might assist enjoyment, but I think the cynicism (or just flat-out confusion) is actually the result of a total lack of understanding because the writing's bonkers. Poisoned water just caused Stage Two liver cancer in a 20-something woman! In six months!

I mean, I enjoy Running Man a lot, having abandoned the logical part of my mind ("hey, he's not really trying as hard as he could, he's throwing this competition so the guest will win!") for the entertainment part of my mind. But if they ever put Kwang Soo up against Haha in a "who can reach the highest shelf" competition and then expect me to just roll with Haha straight-up winning... Well, there's only so much disbelief I can suspend.

For me, Yong Pal stopped being fun-insane (jumping off bridges with gangsters! Doing sneaky surgeries with shoestrings and gum!) and started being actual-insane (you've been shot but you're totally okay to do hours of surgery! Joint dream sequence! SURPRISE LIVER CANCER!).

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@Miranda.... umm... why should there be a difference between fun-insane and actual-insane? You can make them the same thing if you let your imagination let you... I mean, they both have the 'insane' in common!

I think YP was pretty zany in parts, just like the next person, but because I let my imagination go wild...I was able to have sooooo much fun on the ride. Yes. I was cynical about parts!

But chose to imagine and believe more, ergo, everything made complete sense. And as of now, ep. 17 is most definitely my FAVORITE ep in Yong pal. And yes, I still love the show to bits!

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Fun-insane and actual-insane are different for everyone; I'm glad that people were able to stick with fun-insane on this drama the whole way. Unfortunately I snapped early, when the PTSDing sexual assault survivor found her way into a massively restricted area and overheard two men talking about exactly how to melt down the nuclear reactor while hiding the key in plain sight... After that it's hard to go back to fun-insane.

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@Miranda... oooh lol. Yup... that ep. Ep. 4 to be precise. (Yup... I've actively rewatching this show since it started. I'm weird, I know. Lol. I have watched that ep about 4 times) That ep was my least FAVORITE ep in the entire show. For similar reasons. I also thought it was quite farfetched and could also tell it was brought in to emphasize the heroic aspect of YP as an individual... upright... fair... ready to help... but I didn't think it was that necessary and so, I actually found that storyline the most boring of all.

what im saying shouldn't be ridiculed so much are the insane plots that still added much needed fuel to the progression of the story especially our OTP's love line. Cos some people seem to forget that this story also had a romantic element to it.

the only great about ep. 4 was that our OTP finally met ... for seconds... at the end.

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What I'm saying actually is that it's possible to find a balance between
Both insane sides and not ridicule the more probable ones ...(and I use 'probable' advisedly, lol) because some of those ones actually helped grow the plot... for instance.... no other doctor was gonna operate on YJ who was basically a close-kept secret for three years but YP...precisely YP... why? Because he had to be true to his rogue nature and right-thinking self... so yeah... maybe in real life, no doc would ever operate on a person whilst he himself was SHOT!

But from the beginning we were told Yong Pal is not like just any doctor... he is Yong Pal.

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haters gonna hate but koreans give this a top rating show. undeserved criticisms,yet its their opinion.oh well, haha. still the best 2015 kdrama for me. congratulations joowon and kimtaehee. great acting,job well done :)

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Well done to everyone! :)

Supporting characters in this drama also left an impression on us even they didnt have much screentime. For me, i will remember Nurse Hwang and her creepiness, Sec Min and his betrayal, that Gangster Ahjusshi and his loyal minion. ahaha im gonna list down all :D

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I have missed Nurse Hwang every second she was gone. Imagine how awesome she would have been if she's stuck around - she could've stabbed Secretary Min next!

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Ooo OOOo! And then Chae Young, please?

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I feel this goes back to the whole rating issues. Does high ratings mean the audience love it? I see alot of knetz comment on how terrible they think the show is despite watching it. ( I read up knetz comments from netizenbuzz & kkulijaem) Sure they're not a representative of what the whole population thinks. But I wouldn't be so quick to judge them as loving the show.

It makes me wonder about the demographic though, because when it shows and what channels greatly affect the viewership, especially if its on prime time.

However I do agree that the show isn't terrible to the point where you can't watch it. Just gotta turn off bits of your brain s-l-o-w-l-y.

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I 100% agree- I mean high ratings mean people are watching- but re they enjoying it? In my case, I wanted to give up couple episodes back but decided to tick it out till the end

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Granted there are people who might watch a show just to see how it ends, but would most people watch all the way from ep 6 to freakin ep 18 because they had nothing better to do? Don't take this blog comments as representative either because I keep seeing people who said they hated and dropped the show at ep 6 but still, they are joining the discussion now. And it's never a good thing to rely on recaps to criticize a show, the cracks will show up to those who actually watch.

Forget about knetz comments, look at the numbers which show that those a just a few plucked from many. Besides, the Koreans are well known to pay people to write hate online as well as fanatic fans from other actor's fandoms or dramas'. I am sure you will pick up not a few mention of rival drama names there.

There is an analysis in a Korean article which shows that Yong Pal's viewers are mainly in their 30s and 40s. 45% are men versus 55% women. Compare these to the next in ratings in the same timeslot - She Was Pretty. SWP has more than half of the viewers in their 20s and almost 90% are women.

This actually explains why Yong Pal has such a ratings without all the fans screaming in delight over "Oppa is so handsome!" or drooling over the romance. I suspect for all its success, this drama has not that much hype online and in the forums. Probably just hate from being number 1.

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@ SS
Another great observation from you.
I am also surprised by the lack of recaps and reviews on YP despite the high ratings. It makes perfect sense.

Overall, I think the writer did a great job in balancing the melo, suspense and actions in this drama - it's just that not many people are comfortable with mixed genres. Basically, I can't stand melos or action packed brawns and bikinis. So shallow...

Anyway I really like yongpal though I wish it will have less sad scenes coz it made me cry.... Sob sob

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If this drama was categorized as just melo, I don't think I would have jumped right in.

Melos are dramas I watch at my mom's place. I also know that they are super addictive, LOL.

I do not know about how men and women choose their dramas. But if I could use the general assumption, men prefer action and suspense while women prefer melo and romance. Human and comedy may be enjoyed equally?

I see Yong Pal as a story which dared to be different. The writer is fairly new with just one drama preceding this one. I read somewhere that he's more trained in movie writing. Not sure how true. Definitely, this drama eschews some familiar story patterns, plots and tropes. The latter still find its way inevitably. Guess there's nothing as a trope free drama.

Yong Pal isn't perfect for sure. I hope the writer takes down notes and improve in his next outing. But it still is one of the most tightly written and entertaining dramas I have seen in a long while.

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I have to say I hesitated in deciding to watch Yong Pal at first; have loved Joo Won in the many incarnations I have seen and wasn't sure if I wanted to go with him here on this one, lest I be disappointed. I should have had more faith in him as an actor. Anyway, I let four chapters go by, then decided to give Yong Pal a try: ended up sucked in by the story and the incredible tension generated by each episode and I binge-watched all four episodes. And all along I grasped and enjoyed the fact that I wasn't watching a typical k-drama, that I was indeed seeing something new and different and very intriguing. I have enjoyed every tension-filled, almost nail-biting moment. I have savored the change in tempo and pace, when the story evolved and expanded from adventure to something yet again, else. And I grew to expect the unexpected, something I could not predict by any previous experience with any k-drama. So, I guess my point is, even with some flaws of pacing and/or editing, this drama is special and rather wonderful to me.

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I think there's a lot of jealousy which arose from the drama getting high ratings. This might explain why there's plenty of negative comments in Korea but the ratings have been pretty consistent. It is unfair to say people aren't enjoying the drama but still tuned in. I can say that for any drama out there, can't I?

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Oh Heads, if only this also recap for epi 18. I cant wait to put my thoughts on this drama. Overall this is my best drama in 2015. Not near to perfection, but still great. All casts deliver their character at their very best. I am glad that this not only medical drama which based on surgeries and patients all time. Maybe i kind of love makjang stories so have no complaints about this drama being too melodramatic.

I will reserve my further thoughts on epi 18 recap.

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@Sera. I am soooo with you on this! This is my Favorite kdrama for 2015, bar none. And ep 18 is probably my favorite kdrama ending EVER! I've hated almost all kdrama endings till date!

and as chronic sufferer of Second lead syndrome, I was so glad that trope wasn't done in this show and really helped me connect with the OTP. Ive already rewatched ep.17 4 times and ep. 18 3 times.

im so unapologetic about my LOVE for this show!

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[email protected], I am so glad you woke up and wrote: I tried to say something on Dramfever itself because Dramabeans hadn't yet posted a recap on episode 17 (and please note Dramabeans, I sincerely directed serious viewers to this site, and a pox on them if they don't believe me and come here!) and I tried to say how great and indeed future "classic" this drama is, and get this, the response was: "I must be in denial." Ooohhhh, how rude and just plain f-ing dumb! I think I'm still boiling over that one; but since I'd already said my hasta-la-vistas-baby to the so-called forum there, no way was I going to go and respond to that ingnorant byatch. I know: calm down, Audrey, and consider the source (as smoke still fumes from my ears...).

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@Audrey. Omo! Who was that? Clearly. That person was seeing something different. In denial. Ugh. I wish people wouldn't fling that around so carelessly! Everything in life has a freaking gray area when people can meet each other halfway. I wish people would just acknowledge that.

Its largely a matter of taste too Audrey, I mean people want what they want and sometimes they want to see what they want... the writer is not a mindreader and thank goodness, he wasn't going to cater to people's whims.

people need to just accept that people's stories can differ. And drama exists in real life. Otherwise what do creative people glean ideas from. Huh. Duh.

Let it slide A. YP finished tops. JW and KTH made bank and their reputations have been solidified as top-notch, A-list, bankable stars. This was just a show. Like Kool Aid, if those who couldn't drink it chose to spit it out, it's on them. Those of us who did are definitely less thirstier than them right about now, you know what I mean ;)...

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I'm not sure when this show took a huge turn, I still can't quite pinpoint it (although I/m leaning towards ep 9), but it sure isn't the Yong-pal I fell in love with. First of all 6 months, like really?!?!? I guess they needed time to be able to make the stage 2 cancer more believable, but it didn't work. Next, Tae Hyun just sits back enjoying life as if nothing had happened, like this isn't what Yong Pal would do- especially with the your-body-doesn't-feel-normal look he had after that backhug. And can someone please provide an explanation as to why Chae-youg wants revenge in the first place-like suddenly he became the best person ever that needs to be remembered and I don;t understand how especially since she never had one good moment with him. Lastly, HOW IN THE WORLD IS YEO JIN NOT SUSPICIOUS AT ALL- like she figured out evrything that was going on in the last episode but suddenly thatability is gone. This episode was trully a mess

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And did he diagnose liver cancer via backhug? Is that what we're supposed to guess when he subtly presses his hand against the side of her abdomen? Amazing.

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did we watch the same show? he didn't diagnose liver cancer nor mention it. ia it was an awkward linger, but nothing seem to come of it.

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It was a purposeful move that I found pretty hilarious. He thought she looked sick, and he fortuitously pressed his hand against EXACTLY the spot her liver would be, even though he had no knowledge of the diagnosis. Scripted stage directions strike again!

It would be like me developing throat cancer, seeing a friend who had no knowledge of it, and them hugging me while very oddly resting their hand on my throat. It was a weird move! It made me laugh.

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Forget about reasoning with comments like this.

When my mother complained about abdominal pain and thought she felt a lump in her abdomen, the doctor pressed on her abdomen. I asked him what was he feeling for? And he said if a mass i.e. tumor, is large enough, it can be felt during physical examination. Of course, in the end, she went through thorough investigation to rule out any serious illness.

So. it's not absurd. If you refused to see the show as being anything but absurd, you certainly will.

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I'm hardly being unreasonable. That's why it's funny: because he had NO idea that there was a problem with her liver. If he even had the faintest clue, or if there's a bit I missed where he notes her coloring's too yellow and wonders if she's jaundiced or something, then there's at least a basis for checking on a hunch.

But for a doctor to have no reported symptoms from the patient and just coincidentally guess the exact ailment shown on the scan - that's not medicine, that's wizardry. And I'm not even going into the part where liver cancer is frequently symptomless until you're incredibly advanced in the illness!

All I'm saying is that the writers, who have clearly been flying by the seat of their pants for quite a while now, have pulled some pretty funny tricks in the last half of the show. Errors from the live-shoot schedule were making live broadcasts from the third episode, we can hardly be surprised it showed in the writing too.

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I think maybe you aren't being unreasonable, it's probably something else.

You have not watched this episode. Go back and watch and then we will talk. Or should I continue?

Tae Hyun did not give YJ a hug because she looked sick and he had to back hug her to diagnose. Tae Hyun gave YJ a back hug because he didn't want her to leave and go back to Han Manor. Were you sleeping during this scene? Tae Hyun grabbed her hand, stood up and then backhugged her. In the process, he placed his hands on her abdomen and felt something was off in that area.

I think you have no idea about surgeons being able to diagnose from a CT scan, do you? I don't want to embarrass you further.

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@SS, couldn't add a comment to your response about the back-hug below, so thank you, from me, here. And I like to echo: duh, how many people were sleeping during that scene? Let me think for a minute: I am a doctor, and can I not feel an enlarged liver in a loving back hug? Well, maybe I really would notice such a bloody simple thing if I was holding someone that frigging close to start with, especially if I was a doctor to start with, and had already held said person pretty damned close a few times. Duh, I think I would notice a difference, especially if I was trained to do so...

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Oh for pete's sake.

Clearly I watched the episode. I found it FUNNY that Tae Hyun apparently felt an enlarged liver through a thick, drapey sweater-coat while giving a back hug. He has a magical cancer-detecting wrist - he then moves his hand to place over her liver, the camera cuts to his face, and his brow wrinkles as he thinks "Hm. I am concerned." (I'm going to gloss right over the fact that these two have been together so seldom that he's hardly going to be an expert on what her body feels like.)

Look, criticizing a drama is one thing - some people like a drama, some don't, and some cheerfully find a back-hug liver cancer detection method hilarious. But when loyalty to a drama leads to picking fights and throwing insults at actual people, then that's a bit of a problem.

In short: I am not the one being embarrassed in this exchange.

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Who's kidding? @Miranda? I guess a sense of humor is the last thing to go.

Was that funny?

No. I was just making a point. No offense intended.

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So you watched. Did TH go "Oh that's liver cancer!" after he backhugged her? That's clearly what you wrote in 12.1 and 12.1.1.1. Are you retracting it?

And how about the "wizardry" comment on doctors' ability to diagnose tumors from CT scans?

This drama is not without faults. There are quite a few. You picked the wrong ones or rather non-existent ones. I cannot argue or pick on anyone who comes and put forth a valid flaws. I do have not such ability.

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Alright then, here we go:

"So you watched. Did TH go “Oh that’s liver cancer!” after he backhugged her? That’s clearly what you wrote in 12.1 and 12.1.1.1. Are you retracting it?"

The director zooms in on TH's hand moving to press against her side, then focuses on his face going "hmmm", then goes back to the hand which gets repositioned by YJ. At no point did I say TH declared "Oh that's liver cancer!" but I hardly think it's a leap to say it was heavily telegraphed that TH is thinking "there is something wrong in this liver-area!", which is pretty specific. I also never said he initiated the hug with diagnostic intent, only that he seemingly diagnosed something based on the hug. You made a bunch of unsupported logistical leaps here and then got needlessly nasty about your assumptions. That's a problem I can't help you with.

"And how about the “wizardry” comment on doctors’ ability to diagnose tumors from CT scans?"
If Doctor A does a scan and sees a cancerous mass on a liver and diagnoses liver cancer, then Doctor A is a doctor. If Doctor B, in total ignorance of that scan, briefly hugs a woman and coincidentally touches the EXACT place where Doctor A found a cancerous mass the morning before and thinks "hunh, there's something wrong with this liver!" then Doctor B is a wizard. (Tae Hyun is Doctor B in this scenario, in case I'm not making myself perfectly clear.)

"I cannot argue or pick on anyone who comes and put forth a valid flaws. I do have not such ability."
Don't sell yourself short, you're doing a marvellous job of creating strawman arguments and then attacking them. Shame they're not the actual criticisms I'm making.

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Oh and @SS, just in case you're wondering..

"Who’s kidding? @Miranda? I guess a sense of humor is the last thing to go.

Was that funny?

No. I was just making a point. No offense intended."

Phrases that are considered offensive in civil conversation: "I think maybe you aren’t being unreasonable, it’s probably something else", "You have not watched this episode. Go back and watch and then we will talk. Or should I continue?", "Forget about reasoning with comments like this", "Were you sleeping during this scene?", "I think you have no idea about surgeons being able to diagnose from a CT scan, do you? I don’t want to embarrass you further."

None of these are comments that are intended to encourage conversation, they're snide little digs meant to put down the other person. It's not quite as blunt as calling someone stupid, but it's hardly subtle enough for people to miss. On the off chance that you genuinely don't think that manner of address is offensive: it is. Stating that you didn't intend to offend doesn't retroactively change the original, obvious intent.

(Also, "sense of humor is the last thing to go"? Are you implying I'm almost dead, or that you are?)

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In an earlier comment, you wrote this
"But for a doctor to have no reported symptoms from the patient and just coincidentally guess the exact ailment shown on the scan – that’s not medicine, that’s wizardry. And I’m not even going into the part where liver cancer is frequently symptomless until you’re incredibly advanced in the illness!"

and then you wrote this after I called you out for using the word wizardry.
"If Doctor A does a scan and sees a cancerous mass on a liver and diagnoses liver cancer, then Doctor A is a doctor. If Doctor B, in total ignorance of that scan, briefly hugs a woman and coincidentally touches the EXACT place where Doctor A found a cancerous mass the morning before and thinks “hunh, there’s something wrong with this liver!” then Doctor B is a wizard. (Tae Hyun is Doctor B in this scenario, in case I’m not making myself perfectly clear.)"

Doesn't Doctor A fit the same description as the doctor in your earlier comment? Whether the doctor prescribes the scan or not is immaterial. Both diagnose from looking at the scan. Yet, you insist it's different.

I am not sure if TH thinks it's definitely something wrong with the liver but even if he does, he's not a wizard, he's a doctor. Why else do doctors do a physical examination on the abdomen?

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I knew you would read that wrongly. About the sense of humor being the last to go. Stating it wasn't the intent didn't help but I still had to make myself clear that it wasn't intended.

@Livi thought you were joking and I wanted to show her that I knew you weren't joking. You definitely thought the drama is a joke. And that's completely different from joking about a drama.

"Phrases that are considered offensive in civil conversation: “I think maybe you aren’t being unreasonable, it’s probably something else”, “You have not watched this episode. Go back and watch and then we will talk. Or should I continue?”, “Forget about reasoning with comments like this”, “Were you sleeping during this scene?”, “I think you have no idea about surgeons being able to diagnose from a CT scan, do you? I don’t want to embarrass you further.”

Should I be honest or civil? This happens to be the case where I can only choose one. Or should I paraphrase them with "You might be unreasonable'? or "Are we watching the same drama'?
I guess it's easier to call a show for being unreasonable since no one can call you offensive. Touche.

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@Livi was absolutely correct - I was joking. About a drama I think is ridiculous. They're not mutually exclusive.

"I guess it’s easier to call a show for being unreasonable since no one can call you offensive. Touche"

Well yeah, because calling a show ridiculous is a comment about a show: the show can't get offended. No matter how hard I might try, I'm not going to rile up "Yong Pal" because it's not actually sentient, it's a pile of paper that then became a transmission of pixels.

It's an entirely different case to take potshots at an actual person, who CAN get offended. It's a little weird that you can't differentiate. It would be like me looking at a lamp and saying "whoa, that is an unattractive lamp" and you saying "Oh yeah? Well YOU'RE unattractive!" Just... what? It's a bizarre response.

Here I'm saying "Ha, this show is silly" and you're basically coming back with "Well, you're a moron!" Weird, no? You're attacking an actual person in the defense of an inanimate object.

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As for this:

"Who’s kidding? @Miranda? I guess a sense of humor is the last thing to go.
Was that funny?
No. I was just making a point. No offense intended."

I don't think I'm taking it wrong, because I genuinely don't know how to take it. It makes no sense. It's word salad. Usually people say "it's the last thing to go" when implying that someone else is going senile - is that what you were aiming for here? But it could be read as either I'm losing it, or that you are (in that you're not able to detect humor, so you guess you're fully senile now)? But now it sounds like you're saying it's an example of a joke that makes a point, which is even weirder...

Look, it's not that I'm offended by this, it's that I sincerely have no idea what you're trying to say.

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I don't think he diagnosed her because he made no mention of it, I just felt frustrated that he did nothing about it at that moment

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There is something called time.

I think he was planning to get YJ to go for further investigations on her general health now that she has come back to him. He had noticed that she's looking more and more unwell but she denied it, saying it's stress.

Unlike ridiculous comments which said TH diagnosed YJ's cancer through a backhug, he did nothing of that sort. A swelling or mass in the abdomen felt from touch could be due to a myriad of reasons. So, TH had no reason to believe it's anything serious.

*Spoiler*
Note that the CT scans were shown to him the following morning.

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1) I agree that the back hug was not a diagnosis. Its just a spontaneous gesture from TH to deter her from going back to the mansion. So he either hugs her waist or lower abdomen. I mean we can't expect him to grope her breast or thighs...or grab her legs to prevent her from leaving.

The exact spot was just representative or symbolic of what's about to happen. We can't be too analytical and over critical of a simple loving hug.

2) Also, YP was being very concerned as she had fainted twice in a matter of days. This would alert him that her condition was not just merely stress. And he also had additional concerns on her diagnosis since her medical record was even barred to Chief Lee.

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You are so funny! I was imagining TH groping her breast or grabbing her legs. ROFL.

Yes, his hands were definitely in a natural position for a backhug. I don't even know why this becomes an issue.

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@Shuerei... hahahahahahhahaha!

Imagining the boob grab vrs. Leg grab. Which one would have made complete sense in a show that is already sooooo zany and ridiculous (*being totally sarcastic here)! Hm...TH should've have just been a boss and throw YJ over his shoulder... toss her in his room and never let her out! Hehehe!

I dunno which people are getting spoilt for choice in the kdrama hemisphere these days... I'm definitely taking whatever works well for me. Lol.

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i loved this episode. and diagnosing cancer? YJ is already predisposed to the disease so why not? i do agree that YJ was actually out of character in this episode (unlike the assessment that she's out of character when she can be so sweet to her savior yet so callous to PEOPLE WHO TRIED TO KILL HER lol in the last recap), but it seems like she's punishing herself for being such a monster. in that, it's not exactly out of character. how can she not have some sort of psychological damage after killing her own family member and letting the person she loves go because of her predicament and obligation to her father's last wish?

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YJ was predisposed to liver cancer?! I missed that - did her father have it, was that the connection?

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Aw, c'mon, cancer doesn't work that way - a man who dies in his 60s of pancreatic cancer isn't really a boost to his 20-something daughter who inexplicably develops liver cancer.

She isn't shown drinking like a fish, doesn't smoke, maybe she had hepatitis but even that's a bit of a stretch. Liver cancer is such a weird disease to pick; at least throw something in there about how the drugs used to sedate her built up and killed her liver or something, otherwise it's just a random, fast-acting Drama Cancer that cropped up in a completely atypical demographic for dramatic purposes.

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i'm applying the logic the drama established in its fictional world. you're using real life logic. even if you mix the two, you still would be able to say the fact that yeo jin's been traumatized so much (car accident, suicide attempt, induced coma, etc., etc., how many times she's been cut open now?) would leave it susceptible to all kinds of ailments. anyway, i think CY and co. poisoned her without really banking on 6mos. nor cancer, but it happened that way.

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@I like strawberries

"even if you mix the two, you still would be able to say the fact that yeo jin’s been traumatized so much (car accident, suicide attempt, induced coma, etc., etc., how many times she’s been cut open now?) would leave it susceptible to all kinds of ailments."

Ha, I was actually hoping for that a few episodes ago - I was convinced YJ was going to be shown as having PTSD that was governing some of her iffier decisions (like killing people) and that Tae Hyun was going to help pull her back from the brink. And I would've loved if the liver cancer was a result of her three years of sedation, but they never bothered to tuck that explanation in either, just going with poisoned water.

Small things, but they matter wen stringing together a borderline-nonsensical plot.

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@Miranda... you have an interesting perspective. Im trying to remember a show where I found everything ridiculous, intentionally funny with a borderline-nonsensical plot... snap* I got one! HYDE, JEKYLL & ME. Lol. Omg. That show really... I watched all 20 eps too. Unlike YP tho, I'm gonna dislike that show forever.

Anyhoo, so I popped in to say... if you can believe that three years of sedation using coma inducing can give a person liver cancer, why can't you believe the same exact person... who might by now, very well have an extremely volatile liver due to all those previous drugs can easily develop cancer when introduced to and even potent drug designed for the cause in a consistent manner, aka thru her water?

is it really, that farfetched? I drink at least 6 glasses of water a day. If someone was feeding me a colorless and odorless drug for six months non-stop I know I would get sick.

in Heads recap, even she was confused as to whether the drug was just a hallucinogen or a cancer inducing drug, credit to CY. Who is to say YJ's cancer didnt develop the moment she was taken off of the coma inducing drugs and introduced to some new drugs? I just don't get why you think its so far out field within the confines of this drama, to have such a development.

I thought they should go the PTSD route too... but the cancer route did not make any less sense to me than a person being miraculous healed of Dissociative Identity Disorder.

when people watch kdramas with this level of cynicism, I wonder why they dont just stick to better shows from more experienced countries. If that's the level of perfection you want. I like Kshows for their twee-ness, cheesiness, endearing quality and tongue-in-cheek-ness. I wish some people would just cut them some slack because it is so apparently obviously that certain overly imaginative, creative, deductive and unstoppable minds are fully able to grasp what you might consider mish-mash. Lol.

Kindly.

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@ affie, I like strawberries

+1,000,000 applause

Hollywood is full of "borderline-nonsensical" shows but they raked in lots of money.

So that's life. People like to watch things something entertaining, engaging and extraordinary.

I'd say yongpal is an excellent drama coz it fits all these areas. It doesn't have to be perfectly logical.
It doesn't have to explain why one hand goes there and not there.
It doesn't have to explain how one can get cancer or the mechanics of poisoning.
It doesn't need to justify when exactly a person can fall in love.

It is an awesome show coz it highlights great values about love and sacrifices.
It is an intelligent show that delves into grey areas and complexities of human and the choices they made.
It is a pretty show loaded with interesting elements and twists.

There are lots of mysteries and miracles in the world so I am alright with the show taking some liberties on the medical stuff.

I enjoyed Yong Pal and I am sorry others don't like it coz of the strange plots and fictionalized details. But we were never promised a true biographical epic so I am cool with a "Yongpalyi" genre.

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Maybe you haven't watched episode 18 yet. Sorry for the spoiler, but in there it was explained that Yeojin was drugged with ethionine for a long time. As per Chief Lee ethionine causes hallucinations and acute liver cancer (on DramaFever's subs). I googled it an it does cause liver cancer, wasn't able to find anything regarding hallucinations though. Maybe the hallucinations were from stress, since when the presidents and Chaeyoung were rejoicing because their plan was working (i.e. Yeojin had acquired liver cancer because of the ethionine that was consistently being put in her drinks), they we're even delighted with the fact that she was also hallucinating.

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@13.1.1.1 Miranda

And oh, not that it matters, but Yeojin is 31. She's not 20-something. ;)

Continuing my post on 13.1.1.1.5, liver cancer is not weird if she's being drugged with ethionine.

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@Vgy7*uhb

Great to see you again, I always enjoy your posts. I still remember the rating analysis you did. so awesome!

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@Affie

HJ&M was incredibly terrible, and for me the only saving grace were those few moments when HB could actually express the inner conflict rather than slapstick (didn't help that KMHM was knocking it out of the park on another channel), but you bring up an interesting comparison: HJ&M fans had the exact same attitude in the comments of "well, if you can't fully enjoy it then just stop watching it and leave it to those who do!"

This makes absolutely no sense to me.

People watch shows for different reasons. I like Kdramas. I really liked KMHM, IRY and Healer, recently. Those shows all had fantastical elements, and when other people made fun of them or criticized them, I would respond either with an explanation or would sometimes agree (like all the screaming in KMHM, good lord). But I never thought to tell them to shut up, to insult their intelligence, or to try and gang up and get them to leave. A lot of people thought Healer was random and that IRY was full of murderous plot holes - okay! I clearly liked other elements of both dramas that made it possible for me to enjoy them. This isn't a fan war.

Kindly, I'd suggest that people disengage their emotions from the show just a little bit, enough to realize that criticisms are not actually going to bruise the show. People are still allowed to watch the show, even if they're doing so to laugh at the ridiculous bits rather than being swept up in the romance (or whatever). Attempting to protect the show from criticism by driving off or silencing a perfectly valid viewership is actually LESS helpful to the show because as far as ratings are concerned, viewers are viewers - my contribution to the rating is exactly equal to that of someone who is a diehard JW fanatic.

Sometimes I wonder if the Kdrama viewerbase has been somewhat infected by the overzealous Korean fan attitude.

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@ Vgy7*uhb

I just wish they'd strung some of those thoughts together about the drugs/poisoning. I came away with the thought that CY and her gang intentionally plotted to give JY liver cancer through poisoned water, which seemed bizarre. Did they really, or did they give her a hallucinogen that then impacted an already-damaged liver and caused cancer?

I realize it's possible to create a semi-plausible background for all of this, I just think it's silly that with an entire scene between plotters and doctors, they didn't take the time to clarify what the hell the plotters actually intended and whether liver cancer was a bonus or the intent.

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@13.1.1.1.9 Miranda
It was pretty clear to me, the intention was to induce liver cancer and the hallucinations were just a bonus. I think they know that drugging Yeojin with ethionine will lead to liver cancer (or at least they were hoping that it eventually would). This is based on my observation/my take on the scene (ep17 26:35 mark) where the presidents and Chaeyoung were rejoicing because their plan was working i.e. Yeojin had acquired liver cancer (because of the ethionine that was consistently being put in her drinks — which was revealed later in ep18), not because she’s hallucinating. The first thing that was reported by one of the presidents was that she has liver cancer, and the other exclaimed that it (their plan) worked. Then the president just added the fact that she’s also having hallucinations, which became a cherry on top of their ice cream. Below was how the conversation went. So I am not sure why it is unclear.

President 1: It is finished.
President 2: Ah then..
President 1: They say it's already stage 2 liver cancer.
President 2: It is really finished!
President 1: And they say that she also sees hallucinations.
President 3: (to Chaeyoung) You have done a big deed, Madam.

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@ vgy7, SS

Thanks for your explanation about the poisoning-cancer link. Glad the show explained it even though I didn't expect it to do so.

Yes, I had been curious about her age and from the start, I had assumed she is older than TH. Also the housemaid had served the household for 30 years, give and take her experience in the Hanshin group and 3 years of coma, I was expecting her to be in her 30s.

And in one episode when she asked for TH's age, he said age is just a number so I had guessed that she was older and as doctor he should know her profile in detail. That's also the part that I figured he already had romantic interests in her so he didn't want to be her sunbae or dongsaeng....

May I know which episode / part of the show that detailed this age thingy? Didn't want to miss out anything.

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The conversation between CY and the directors was sickening. Poisoning someone like that and celebrating the outcome. Crazy people.

The hallucination was a bonus indeed and it certainly speed up their plans to remove her from her chairwoman position. Thanks to this drama, I'd definitely not to drink anything from someone suspicious.

I am glad Yongpal ties up some plots pretty neatly. We just need to pay close attention to the details or clues throughout the show.

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@13.1.1.1.11 Shuerei
You're welcome. The age of Yeojin was shown in episode 18 (at about 6:30 mark), when Taehyeon was checking on Yeojin's CT scan results. :)

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@Miranda...hehehe! I think you're pretty safe on DB...no crazed fans here. It's all just opinions. We love all viewers. Lol! You've given me a new appreciation for 'hate-watchers'... I guess!

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Okay, here it comes again: Yeo Jin did not kill her brother, Do Joon nor did she kill Chairman Go; they effectively killed themselves---one by the impetus of insinuation (Go, by I suspect the machinations of Secretary Min) and her brother, by the very fact that he was a dumbshit SOB, who never, ever understood his limitations in any power game as a player. Yeah, Yeo Jin would have probably felt bad for their outcomes in any case, and it would definitely have preyed on her mind, because she has always been a thinking, feeling human being from the get-go (she has always had the understanding of what it felt like to be a "victim", for good cause); magnify that by hallucinogenic drugs, and you end up with a veritable "basket case". So what am I basing this on, that I can claim such clarity of understanding? Once upon a time, a doctor prescribed for me a sleep aid back in 2009, a prescribed medicine, which contained lovely side-effects which took awhile to get over and overcome. So yeah, shit can happen and even cancer-inducing side effects are not totally improbable depending on a given drug (like, I'm adding a maybe here, because I am not a doctor, and can't really say how life-like that part was). But for those of you who were doubting the transition from confident Yeo Jin to insecure, unsure and vulnerable Yeo Jin, yeah, that shit is out there---hypnotic drugs, for example, prescribed on a daily basis, for sleeplessness. I don't actually have a problem with seeing a once-confident person turn into something else again; that shit, unfortunately, can be very real.

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not sure why you're replying to me since we agree on substance, but here goes. my use of killing is not necessarily literally and directly killing people. but she did play a major hand in their dire outcomes and even she admitted as much. i think she's totally justified, but i like the fact that it's destroyed her since because it shows how different she is from the other crocodiles and her complexity is what makes her all the more interesting and someone you can ultimately root for.

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[email protected] like strawberries, but I have to contradict you. You said Yeo Jin was out of character in this episode, and my point was that she was not out of character, but out of "mind" due to an outside influence, beyond her control. And you expressly stated that she killed a family member, which I have refuted. And although you said we agree in substance, no, we do not. She only "said" she was responsible to Tae Hyun; she knew she was not and did this for her own reasons, to help him. And if you liked the "...fact that it's destroyed her...", etc., I know that you totally missed the import of my previous statement, if you read it at all. No, we are definitely not on the same page in our interpretation of this drama, nor yet in our understanding of Yeo Jin. Please do not try to put your words in my mouth; they do not even fit.

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my "out of character" comment was relative to the recap's commentary on how could she be so intuitive and cunning in the previous episode yet so ignorant and numb in 17. i said the assessment that she's OOC in THIS RECAP is more valid than in the last recap (where they said they didn't understand how she could be so sweet to Tae Hyun yet so evilllll to her brother, minions, people who tried to kill her), but then i literally said she's STILL not out of character when you look at the big picture.

idkw people won't let the crocodile queen be the crocodile queen. she said herself she was indirectly responsible for president go and her brother's death in two scenes where tae hyun wasn't present/that she didn't know he was present so it was in no way for his benefit. if you absolutely think that will taint her character and won't accept that, that's fine. on the contrary, i accept that, i think she's justified so it's not a problem to me. the fact that another layer is added where she looks back and somewhat punishes herself because she has regrets about it, is shaken by more people potentially dying because of her (her former father-in-law) makes her even more human. furthermore, the gist of my comment was a direct reply to the recaps; gummi feared she was just a psycho who can kill and betray her husband without a conscience -- i think otherwise.

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She's neither Out of Character in this ep nor a Psycho in the previous ep. Recappers aren't always right. It's not easy to recap a drama, I take my hat off to all recappers. And it's much more difficult when you have to recap a drama you do not like. In this aspect, I admire GB and JB for their recaps for SWWTN. I could tell they weren't very happy with how the drama went but they still managed to write as unbiased as they could and give balanced commentaries. I am not expecting recappers to bend backwards and extol how great a drama is when they think otherwise. The least I would expect is to try to understand the drama better.

Back to Yeo Jin. she is at breaking point. Aside from the drugs, she is alone up there trying to do many things on her own and watching her back all the time. Can you imagine how terribly stressful it is? Any normal person would have collapse from stress or suffered a nervous breakdown. The fact that she could do all these for 6 months after coming out of a 3 year comma is already quite fantastic. To expect YJ to continue being on top of things is unreasonable. She is human, not a robot. Add drugs to the stress as well as physical toll on her body, I am not surprised that Yeo Jin slips up on more and more things. Have you seen people who pushed themselves so far that their bodies break down and they become more forgetful and can't think as well as they used to?
So, this is not out of character. It's just a matter of time that something gives.

She wasn't a psycho as well. I admit the writer/PD did want to play with our minds with Kim Tae Hee shooting killer stares at TH at some point and smiling ever so sweetly at another. YJ loved TH and would never hurt him. Her major grouses with TH was that he asked her to give up her revenge. She was so bent on that. She was also jealous of CY.

I hope I added some value to @I like strawberries and @Audrey's discussion

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Carefull, severe eye-rolling due to story progression can be harmful to your health. Apparently I am not the only one who kept repeating "oh, come on!" throughout this episode.

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Laughing helped.

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i know it's two different people recapping YP, but i think you guys agree on substance. but in the last recap, gummi was afraid that YJ might be crazy-crazy rather than be crazy-genius. i think the fact that YJ managed to have her way, her schemes working out exactly how she wanted but is actually weakened and emotionally damaged by how cruel she became actually shows that she has some humanity? i think that's actually a good thing that she seems to be a shell of her deliciously evil self after what she did, however justified.

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Yo, haven't we gone full circle with this drama? Back to where Yeo Jin has been victimized by a bunch of unscrupulous, negative-inspired, self-seeking, self-serving bloody bastards who are being directed by a vengeful Chae Young, who is actually only implementing Do Joon original scenario with her own added embellishments...so, why is this so surprising to people? If you cannot go head-on-head crocodile-wise, you go for subterfuge, for under-handed, snaky tactics...big surprise, that. As for motivation on Chae Young's behalf---Do Joon doesn't have to be the reason (his demise would only be gravy)---Chae Young always had it in her; she was always a more intelligent crocodile than her husband. She doesn't need "shares", because what she is ultimately after is power. The power to destroy, to manipulate---all to give her, more power. And really, people bought into that teary scene with Do-Joon---let's call that crocodile tears.

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I completely agree that there was just a full circle w this drama, hence the reason I found it frustrating that absolutely no progress was made, she was still the weak YJ we started out with

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what do you mean by 'weak'? mentally, yeo jin was never a weak character. she always had conviction and purpose, even when she decided literally put her life on the line for it or when she didn't make the most righteous decisions. she went from someone who acted on primal instincts to vengeful to prideful to humble and being opened to love. those things are more meaningful than the state of her physically, which is out of her control. but yeah, yeo jin was a roller coaster ride and i appreciate the fact that her relationship with a man was only a catalyst to the unraveling of her characterization and arc rather than something that defined her.

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I didn't mean weak physically- that's the least of my worries. I was getting at the fact that she was again dependent at the hands of others- namely Tae Hyun- to save her. This whole time the show built her up to be a woman with almost no pity and too powerful to question since she was always one step ahead of the games. I do understand the point of her emotional roller coasters. I guess I should save other comments for the next recap

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I think one of the main themes of this show is that no matter how powerful you are, there is always a weakness.

If you are talking about YJ being weak because she is again dependent on TH, I don't think it's reasonable. No one can go through life without depending on someone. In fact, the more YJ climbs to the top, the more she needs to depend on people whom she can trust, not just TH.

It's a fantasy to assume someone who's so powerful that she needs no help whatsoever and is forever on top of the game. Throw in a mind reader and yes, it's a full fledged fantasy alright.

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i don't think needing to be saved because you were drugged and poison is a sign of weakness. she had made the decision to abandon the swamp on her own, twice. the first time, it was to save Tae Hyun, who would've died at the hands of her brother. the second time, while her love for TH was a part of it, it wasn't because she couldn't fend for herself or was incompetent, not remotely. she didn't like the person she had to be to hold onto something she didn't believe in anymore.

but if we're going to reduce character arcs and progress to being literally saved from death, Tae Hyun was saved by Yeo Jin and Chae Young....

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@SS you know what, you're right, I guess I just focused so much on YJ and her crocodile analogy to realize that he really is the only one he can trust, the only one who she knows for a fact won't smile one second and plan her death the next, thanks for your comments, it really did give me a new outlook on things

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Okay, gotta say this once again: have we even been watching the same drama for 17 episodes?

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Audrey, we all watching same drama, but maybe everyone has their own take on plot and character esp YJ.

I smh glad that we got to watch something which is not straightforward, and need our brain to do the analysis.

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Oops, responded to 16.2 before all the other responses were up there; my bad, mea culpa, and I was a bad girl.

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Aha, no worries. :)

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That was a twist I never saw coming! Why did they lose the story? It had promise at the beginning. I'm hiding sharp instruments as I prepare to watch the final.

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poison inducing cancer in just 6 months!!! *giggle*. I wanna find out what kind of poison was that as a doctor myself I have no clue. This writer is banking on ridiculous plot twist in order to maintain the rating. well done!

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As per episode 18, it was ethionine.. google said that indeed it causes liver cancer. But as a doctor maybe you can enlighten us about it a bit more. Thanks!

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Did anyone have idea for spinoff?
I mean it already feel like spin off when YJ have much more than the title yongpal ...

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Yes.

Nurse Hwang escapes death and vanishes into the hospital basement, where she slowly bends some last-year psychiatric residents to her will. With their help she brainwashes cosmetics executives into tainting BB cream, top-of-the-market vitamin C ampoules and a face mask distributed exclusively to idols with a sedative that builds up in the liver (WHY NOT).

When all three products are used at the same time they result in the user falling into a deep sleep, during which they experience adult-onset acne. Nurse Hwang arranges for them all to be brought to her special clinic where she can then dress them up to her heart's content. When they recover they form a girl group that takes over the Korean Wave.

Yong Pal develops a late-stage fatal lavender allergy in Episode 2 and sadly can't be saved.

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lol That's like a plot straight out of the Batman TV show with Adam West.

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I can think of no higher compliment! And can only imagine what Nurse Hwang's costume would be like on that show.

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@Miranda.... ahahahhaha! Wow... you would find a show based on what you just wrote believeable?! And actually kill Yong Pal to get your show on the road? Hehehehe! Plaudits!

You should go work for Marvel.

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Of course not, the outline I wrote is completely UNbelievable. But if it's a Yong Pal spinoff, then I clearly don't have to ground it in any sort of reality.

If I wrote it for Marvel then the sexual assault survivor from the ep 4 nuclear reactor would've developed superpowers and would currently be the Idol Vigilante, ruthlessly exposing the wrongdoings of the rich and stupid. Yong Pal can be her Alfred until he dies of lavender shock.

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@Miranda. Ahahahahahhahahahahhahaha! Ok. Fug it all. Miranda, let loose! You need to write us a show worthy of Champions! Why you gotta kill Yong Pal though, dude? C'mon... Idol Vigilante has got to have some use for his mad resuscitation-from-complete-death skills! Totally wicked! Lol. Idol Vigilante's Kryptonite is totally Lavender ... it stops her heartbeat... and Yong Pal swoops in with his mad skills and massages the hell out of that heart!

The rich and stupid clue in and build Lavender Skyscrapers all over the place... Yong Pal has his work cut out for him...Psych!

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I am not ruling out that Yong Pal could only have PRETENDED to have died, and have been pulled back from the brink of Lavender Death by being frozen in a solid block of ice in the basement of his clinic, to be thawed in episode 15... BUT HE HAS AMNESIA.

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@Miranda...ROFL! Omfg! I. Kennot. Breathe! Ok, I'm totally digging this! 4realsies!

I still love my Yong Pal to bits and pieces tho :)!

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