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Cheese in the Trap: Episode 8

The more I watch this drama, the more I like the characters, and the more confused and turned around I get because I like them. It’s a weird experience to wonder if it’s safe to like your drama hero, but that’s just the strange mix of romance laced with danger and intrigue that Cheese in the Trap brings to the table. Though the drama is slice-of-life, today’s episode stretches the limits of realism a bit, because I don’t know about you guys, but I don’t remember college having this many stalkers and other potentially unhinged folks just milling about. Or maybe times have changed?

 
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EPISODE 8 RECAP

We back up a little to the confrontation that closed out the last episode, and this time we see that there’s more to the conversation. Jung offers to send In-ho abroad if he still wants to play piano, which only serves to make In-ho angry. Jung tells him not to be stubborn if it’s his pride holding him back, and at that Seol cuts him off and asks why he came in here angling for a fight.

She takes the teacher’s card from him and puts it in In-ho’s hand, demonstrating what a simple task this was supposed to be. Jung says he just feels bad for In-ho because he was talented, and this time In-ho is itching to fight and gets in his face. Seol stands between them and says that whatever is between them might not be her business, but she’d really like them both to quit fighting.

Jung says he’s going to stop, because this is the last time—if In-ho says no this time, he’s done trying too. In-ho looks hurt at that, but he scoffs and asks if the entire world is that easy for Jung, and tells him to get lost. Jung seems satisfied with that and leads Seol out, and she looks back at In-ho with a worried expression.

As Jung walks her home, Seol says she doesn’t like it when he and In-ho fight, and Jung in turn says he doesn’t like it that she’s friends with In-ho or takes his side. He pulls her into a hug and asks that they not talk about this stuff anymore, and reminds her that tomorrow is his last day at school (because of his new internship). They promise to make time for dates outside of school and linger as they say goodnight.

Jung gets a text while on campus the next day, asking him to come to a classroom for something regarding his internship. At the same time, Stalker Boy Young-gon borrows Copycat Min-soo’s cell phone, claiming to have forgotten his. He compliments her on her new style, saying that it’s a really pretty look, but walks off muttering derisively that she thinks she’s Seol.

Jung arrives in the empty classroom only to be confronted by Young-gon, who claims not to know anything about the text. He accuses Jung of being two-faced and tells him to stop messing with Seol, and fidgets with a pen in his pocket. I’m guessing it’s a secret spy recorder pen.

Young-gon says that Jung doesn’t really like Seol and he’s just messing with her, and takes out his phone with old texts from Jung, saying things like, “Seol likes you. Confess that you like her. She likes presents. Spend a lot of money!”

Jung doesn’t look ruffled in the least, even as Young-gon starts dialing the number to prove that the texts came from Jung. He says he never sent those texts, and it’s a woman who answers on the other end. Hm, that sounds a lot like Baek In-ha, which doesn’t really clear Jung of suspicion, does it?

Young-gon flares up and grabs Jung by the collar, asking how long he’s going to keep fooling people. But Jung’s friends arrive and break up the argument, naturally siding with Jung and accusing Young-gon of acting crazy because he’s still not over Seol. His new girlfriend stomps off in a huff, and once they’re alone again, Jung calls him out on his attempt to record their conversation.

He basically looks at Young-gon like he’s a bug not worth his time, and says that Young-gon’s haplessness is actually throwing him off. But as he walks away, we see in flashback that Jung was with In-ha and using two separate cell phones. He was texting Young-gon, who thanked him for forgiving him over the basketball fight. Jung was the one to bring up Seol, and said that she must like Young-gon.

In-ha got curious and asked who he’s texting with, and Jung said it was someone who’d been bothering him lately. She read the texts and asked if it was Young-gon or Seol, and he said both. So In-ha’s solution was to send Young-gon to Seol and take care of them both, and she started texting him to go ahead and confess his feelings. Jung did nothing to stop her, and even smirked to himself.

Back in the present, Jung smirks again as he walks away. Young-gon thinks over what went wrong and realizes that Jung gave him a separate phone number just to make him look like the crazy person, and guesses that maybe this other girl is Jung’s second girlfriend on the side.

Meanwhile, Seol and Jung head out for drinks, and when she mentions that everyone’s talking about Young-gon confronting him today, Jung tells her to be careful and tell him if anything happens while he’s away. She smiles, noting shyly that this is what it must feel like to have someone worry about you, and he pets her on the head sweetly.

Their night takes a disappointing turn when the sunbaes from their department crash their date. Sunbae Sang-chul pours Seol a big glass of beer like the pusher that he is, but Jung takes it and drinks it for her. The guys all cheer and demand a kiss, and Jung says they will… if the other two guys kiss each other too. Seol smiles in relief and looks grateful when Jung chides his friends for ganging up on a hoobae like that.

The boys proceed to get roaring drunk, and Jung gets so tipsy that he slumps over onto Seol’s shoulder and murmurs that it’s too noisy in here. She realizes that he’s drunk and takes him outside for some air, and after sitting him down on a bench outside, she asks if maybe they should just leave now instead of going back there to drink with the guys, because they see Seol and Jung as pushovers.

She uses the word hogu, meaning a fool that other people take advantage of, and Jung says he’s been called that in high school. He says that most people approach him because they want something from him, and he’s found that in most cases, it’s just easier to give them what they want and pretend not to notice the truth.

He says that’s less tiresome, and then reaches out to pet Seol on the head as he asks, “You like me for real, right? You’re sincere, right?” He admits that at first, he thought Seol was just like everyone else, and he knew that she didn’t like him. He asks her not to see him in a bad light and then surprises her with a little peck on the lips.

She brings her hand up to her lips in shock, but he says it’s okay because no one can see them, and then he leans in close for a longer kiss, and this time Seol kisses him back.

In-ho is standing outside the noodle shop when Seol passes by in a daze, and she can barely register what he’s saying when he asks what the piano teacher said to her. He smells alcohol on her breath, and she suddenly freaks out (maybe thinking it came from Jung and not her?) and runs home flailing.

She lies awake, giddy with thoughts of the kiss, and texts Jung to see if he made it home safely. He drunkenly answers that he’s sleeping, and at first she finds his misspelled text cute, and then gets huffy when she realizes that he’s so experienced with dating that he can sleep just fine, while she’s tossing and turning all night. She huffs that it must be nice to be him and pouts. Why is she so adorable.

The next day, Stalker Boy Young-gon chases after his girlfriend pleading for a second chance and swearing that he has no feelings for Seol. She rejects him flatly and the other sunbaes laugh and ask if he’s apologized to Jung yet, and he has a fit about how it took him this long to come back to school and win people over, only to have Jung ruin things again.

Young-gon sets his sights on Eun-taek and approaches him in the middle of class, acting friendly all of a sudden. He apologizes for the basketball fight and agrees that Bora is very petite and glamorous (implying that she has a big chest), and needles: “You don’t know, do you? I do.”

He takes out his phone and offers to share the pictures he took of Bora last year, which he describes as too racy to share with just anyone. That does the trick and Eun-taek flips his lid, and attacks Young-gon in the middle of the lecture hall. The sunbaes immediately break it up, and Young-gon smiles like the unhinged troll that he is.

Meanwhile Seol’s copycat Min-soo takes out the lion cell phone charm that she picked up, finding it cute because it looks like Seol. She plans to return it, thinking it a good excuse to have lunch with Seol and befriend her. Seriously though, how many stalker fans can one girl have?

Bora arrives at her next class and hugs Seol from behind, only to realize that it’s Min-soo. It doesn’t sit well with Bora that Min-soo is so blatantly copying Seol’s style, and when Min-soo tries to ask Seol to eat lunch with her and sit next to her in class, Bora leads Seol away warily.

The sunbaes force Eun-taek to apologize for attacking a sunbae out of nowhere like that, and because Young-gon is holding racy pictures of Bora hostage, Eun-taek can’t defend himself and explain that he was provoked. He just has to grit his teeth and bow in apology, and Young-gon even scores sympathy from his girlfriend. As he walks away, he mutters under his breath so that only Eun-taek can hear: “There are no pictures, you moron.”

After class, Min-soo tries again to ask Seol to lunch, but Bora cuts her off and says they’ve already got plans. As she leads Seol away, they bump into Min-soo and spill the contents of her bag, and they notice the lion doll among her things.

Seol asks if it’s hers, and Bora gets upset, accusing her of not only copying Seol, but now stealing her things. Seol tries to calm her down, but Min-soo gets defensive and declares that the lion is hers, and that she bought it herself. They don’t exactly believe her, but she insists that it’s hers and storms out.

Stalker Boy Young-gon waits for Min-soo to come by and feigns concern so that she’ll talk to him. She berates herself for the lion debacle, swearing that she was planning to return it because she really just wants to be friends with Seol. He argues that Seol isn’t as nice and cool as Min-soo thinks, and flat-out lies that Seol has been going around badmouthing Min-soo for copying her.

Young-gon says that in his eyes, it’s Seol who’s copying Min-soo, and that there’s nothing that’s better about Seol in his eyes. He argues that the only reason she’s in a better position is that she has a boyfriend, and tells Min-soo that he’s here for her if she needs anything. He walks away pleased with himself for finding another way to annoy Seol, and decides that with Jung gone, this world is his.

Seol catches up with her friend Ah-young, and sunbae Sang-chul happens by and immediately starts drooling over Ah-young. He introduces himself as Seol’s most trusted sunbae (how he says this with a straight face is beyond me), and Seol basically has to grab Ah-young and run so that he doesn’t get his claws into her.

After a lot of angst and deliberation, In-ho finally goes to see the professor in the music department, and plays piano for him. The teacher listens and says it’s obvious he took time off, and asks what he’s been doing for five years.

It’s valid criticism, though the teacher doesn’t exactly deliver it gently or constructively, having already decided that In-ho isn’t worth his time. But In-ho just argues with him and asks if the teacher doesn’t like his playing, acting like he’s still the prodigy who’s gracing people with his playing. Aw, In-ho, you always get in your own way, don’t you?

The teacher simply tells him to leave and turns his attention to another of his students, and In-ho is shell-shocked to be dismissed so easily. He walks away in a stupor and is assaulted by the other student’s piano-playing as he leaves, which only makes him feel worse.

Seol walks out off campus just a few steps behind In-ho, and at first she doesn’t notice because she’s texting Jung (she decides not to mention the lion and Min-soo, thinking that it sounds childish). She calls out to In-ho when she sees him and guesses that he came to see that music professor, but he shakes his head, not saying anything more.

He just keeps walking ahead of her, so she runs up and asks if something’s wrong. He doesn’t offer anything else, so she just walks next to him. They ride the subway together and he wonders why she studies so hard, and she says she used to think that getting into college was enough to ensure her future, but it’s not. She points out the salarymen on the train and says she’s most envious of them, because all she wants is to get a salaried job.

In-ho doesn’t see why she’d want to be like those guys, and she guesses that he’s never once been envious of another person: “You look it. But that’s because you’re talented. I’m not, so all I can do is work hard.” In-ho asks a telling question in return: “Why do you work hard? No, how do you work hard?” Seol says you just do.

They’re interrupted when Jung calls after his first day at his internship, and he’s waiting outside the noodle shop when Seol and In-ho arrive together. In-ho gags when Jung acts like one day apart was so difficult, but Seol just beams.

Jung asks if he can stop in to try the noodles that Seol was raving about, but she says that her parents are at the restaurant right now. Jung doesn’t miss a beat and says he’ll just meet her parents then, and both Seol and In-ho freak out. In-ho tells him to leave because they’ll have customers, but that just makes Jung walk on in ahead of them.

Mom and Dad sit across from Jung looking stern, and the interrogation begins. They keep getting interrupted by In-ho who’s passive-aggressively clanging the dishes in the kitchen, and Little Bro Joon listens in as well.

Dad asks the standard questions and then when he asks what Jung’s father does, Seol tries to make them back off. But Dad pushes for an answer and Jung says it’s fine, and says his father runs a business. Mom looks concerned at that, thinking of her husband’s many failed businesses. She asks what the company is, and Jung says, “Taerang Group.”

The whole room freezes, and even In-ho drops his knife in the kitchen. Seol tries to ease the awkwardness by asking Mom to get Jung some water, but all she does is ask In-ho to get it. That leads to angry water-pouring service at the table, and afterwards In-ho takes the trash out and blows off steam in the alley.

Dad acts aloof while Mom brings Jung a bowl of noodles and peppers him with questions and compliments. Everything goes well and the family sees Jung off, and though Mom and Joon are abuzz with dreams of becoming in-laws with chaebols, Dad says gruffly that they’re from two different worlds.

In-ho comes back inside once Jung is gone, and he finds himself washing Jung’s empty bowl and listening to Mom gush about how Seol might marry Jung. He thinks back to the professor’s question about what on earth he’s been doing for five years and wonders aloud, “What have I been doing?”

Seol walks Jung to his car and checks to make sure he wasn’t put off by her family’s questions, but he says they were nice, making her relieved. She asks hesitantly if he got home okay last night, and he says nonchalantly that he did and he slept well too. That’s it, and Seol wonders if maybe he doesn’t remember their kiss at all because he was too drunk.

Jung abruptly changes the topic to ask if In-ho is going to continue coming to school, and Seol is disappointed, thinking he surely forgot their first kiss. He asks what she’s thinking, but she brushes it off and says goodnight without bringing it up. So he smiles and gives her a light kiss and says, “I didn’t forget. I remember everything.”

She somehow manages to hold in her giddy reaction until after he’s pulled away, and wanders home in another blissful daze.

The next day, In-ho shows up at school again, this time without the attitude. The professor doesn’t seem surprised, and In-ho admits that he came here to learn. Aw, yay. The professor sits him down at the piano and gives him a practice book with Hanon exercises, and In-ho scoffs to be treated like a grade-schooler.

But at the threat of walking away, In-ho agrees to play them, and the professor just tells him to keep playing until he returns after class. He can’t believe he’s sitting here about to play exercises, but convinces himself to just play along. He starts and then almost immediately has another fit of rebellion, but when he messes up, he wonders if maybe he DOES have to start here.

So he starts to practice properly, and two hours later, the professor returns to find In-ho still at it. He smiles and in flashback we see that he’d told In-ho’s old teacher about running into him. The old teacher had asked for a favor: “Teach him that perseverance is true talent.”

Bora finds it odd that Eun-taek is delivering coffee to the other sunbaes, and Young-gon’s girlfriend comes up to her and tells her to keep better tabs on Eun-taek. She implies that Bora’s flirting caused another fight between Eun-taek and Young-gon, and Bora tells Seol about it later, frustrated that she can’t get a straight story out of Eun-taek about it. Bora is certain that Young-gon did something to manipulate the situation.

Adding to their frustration is Copycat Min-soo, who’s now grown bolder due to Young-gon twisting her confidence in all the wrong ways. When Bora (who refers to her as chaktoong or chak-Seol for “faux Seol”) confronts her about her Seol cosplay, Min-soo declares that Seol is the one copying her. Jung arrives at school and notes Min-soo curiously before greeting Seol with a cute wave.

Group projects roll around again, and Seol assigns parts to her group members, who agree halfheartedly to do their part. That is, all except for sunbae Sang-chul, who is full of excuses as always. This time the others in her group all agree with Seol that he has to pull his weight, and Seol puts her foot down and says she’ll just take his name off the project if he doesn’t contribute, per the professor’s instructions.

Sang-chul raises a huge stink about it, and Min-soo thinks to herself that Young-gon was right about Seol not being very nice at all. Jung and Min-soo are in the same group this time around, and he happens to notice the little lion sticking out of Min-soo’s pencil case. He doesn’t say anything about it, but suddenly starts being very nice to her and complimenting her research work.

After class, Bora and Seol approach Min-soo, and at Bora’s prodding, Seol asks again about the lion. Bora insists that they don’t sell them at the mart where Min-soo said she bought hers, and though Min-soo is nervous, Young-gon has basically coached her to raise her voice and act the victim.

Young-gon’s girlfriend is already against Bora and jumps to Min-soo’s defense in front of everyone, and sunbae Sang-chul is only too happy to join in with the crowd and turn againt Seol and Bora. This place is a lot like high school. A very messed up high school at that.

Young-gon and his girlfriend assure Min-soo that they’re on her side, and tell her that she’s a hundred times better than Seol. Min-soo has even convinced herself of that, and decides that they’re right.

And then of all people, Min-soo happens to see Seol’s little brother Joon on campus, and she’s smitten instantly. He stops to ask her for directions to the art school, and Min-soo takes out her phone to show him the campus map, and sneaks a picture of him first. I have never seen a drama with more stalkers, creepers, and stalker-creepers, ever.

Seol is disappointed when Jung is too busy having drinks with coworkers to answer her call that night, and she trudges to Uncle’s bar and aegyos him for a cup of coffee. Uncle says that he left the piano like she asked (awwww), and In-ho comes by every night to tinker around on it like Seol said he might. He says it’s total beginner kid’s stuff though.

Seol walks into the back room to find In-ho practicing his Hanon exercises dutifully, and he jumps because he doesn’t notice her until she’s sitting next to him. She asks if he isn’t supposed to be good at piano, and says she played this stuff in grade school.

He says this is all her fault, really, and it’s because of her that he’s sitting here playing this. She smiles to realize that he went to go see the professor, and he gets cutely defensive about how there’s a deeper meaning to these exercises and she’d never understand.

They bicker back and forth and he sputters for something mean to say and lands on, “You can only play up to Czerny!” Ouch, way to get her where it hurts, dude. Seol counters that he’s the one playing Hanon exercises, and wonders if all that talk about being good at piano was a lie.

That really gets his goat and he shows off for her, and her jaw drops. He’s pretty satisfied with himself and does the whole rockstar shrug, all, Yeah that’s right, I’m this good, and Seol marvels at how fast his hands move.

He offers to play anything she likes, acting like it’s to shut her up about underestimating him. So she starts humming a tune, and he plays it. It’s Satie’s “Je te veux,” and Seol wonders to herself as she watches him, “Was he like this in high school? It’s really nice to listen to.”

He makes a mistake mid-song though, and he covers it up by pretending that he forgot how the rest of it goes. Seol starts to play the melody, trying to remember the rest, and In-ho joins in. I love that they’re finishing the song together.

Well, they would, except Seol switches to Chopsticks instead and they laugh adorably as they play. Seol says in voiceover, “Even though personal matters rush in like ripples, they’re nothing but ripples. Like everyone else does, it can be endured.”

 
COMMENTS

I really liked seeing Seol’s thoughtful side today. I know she’s already a sweet person who thinks of others first, but we’ve often seen how that can become a negative aspect of her personality that lends to her being taken advantage of by pushy sunbaes and thoughtless peers. But today when we discovered that she asked for her uncle to leave the piano there for In-ho and was silently hoping he’d play again, I was touched that someone was looking out for him like that. Frankly I’m glad that she’s just ignoring Jung’s dislike for In-ho now, because I like their friendship too much to have her avoiding him like she did at first. I suppose In-ho likes her too much already not to get his heart broken eventually, but I could settle for them just being great friends. Them playing piano together at the end just really warmed my heart, enough to shake my Jung-Seol faith.

The thing is, I often like it best when the three of them are together, and especially so when the boys are forced to play nice. It cracks me up when In-ho and Seol have very similar reactions to Jung (like when he just announces that he’s going to meet her parents), and I like that In-ho challenges Jung when he’s otherwise so used to winning everything and getting whatever he wants. There’s important growth in learning that he can’t control Seol and always get his way, so I enjoy that Seol is outright asking them to get along now, even if they don’t always comply. There’s a lot of bad blood there, but I have to hope that they both feel so betrayed by the other because they cared about each other that much, and that it means there’s something to salvage in that broken bromance.

I’m worried that this latest conflict with Stalker Boy Young-gon is going to break Seol’s trust in Jung past the point where she can forgive him yet again. Because Young-gon is a crackpot, to be sure, but Jung clearly did push him onto Seol back when he hated both of them, and even maneuvered it so that In-ha would do his dirty work. That’s seriously crafty, and pretty alarming. It’s especially discomfiting when you consider how Young-gon actually stalked Seol for a long time and genuinely made her scared for her safety. I don’t know if I can forgive him for that. Maybe, just maybe, he didn’t know that Young-gon would go that far and actually turn into a creepy stalker. I don’t know that I believe that, given Jung’s razor-sharp intuition about people, but it’s possible. Even still, the fact that he thinks it’s okay to manipulate people this way is deeply flawed.

But the show tells us that this is problematic—it’d be a different story entirely if this were painted as perfectly swoony behavior from a romantic hero. His feelings for her are clearly sincere, but the difference in how he treats Seol before and after they date is vast, and I wonder at what point it stops mattering how he treats her now as his girlfriend, if he was once capable of treating her so badly. It’s a question I find myself asking because I find their couple moments so, so cute, and Seol can rationalize a lot of his behavior because he intends to do right by her and keep her safe, and all that good boyfriend stuff, which I love about him. But I was always taught to watch how a guy treats waiters in restaurants and strangers on the street, because how he treats the one person he likes isn’t the whole picture. It’s just food for thought whenever I see Jung being so different to someone he doesn’t care about the way he does with Seol. And especially so when we’re talking about Past Seol, who may have been hurt by Jung in ways she doesn’t even know yet. I guess I’ll just brace for impact and hope that their second-first kiss won’t be their last.

 
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I love love love this drama ???

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Same here..Omg I'm crazed and in love with this show beyond repair ;)

I LOVE that our "Hero" is a flawed human being, with some anti social behaviors to alarm the viewers. A huge contrast between his good side and bad, makes it so interesting to dissect and analyze his character even more

This is becoming one of my all time favorite shows.

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Me too. its the first time i found myself not only watching it online but also downloading each episode and rewatching it. it think ive gone nuts but i dont mind since its Cheese that made me this way.haaaay.

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exactly my situation..
hahahaha..

1st time downloading and re watching the drama.. :D

p.s. you jung sunbae is bae.. :D

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How do you download the episodes

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Up until this episode, it is good but I still have some reservations when it comes to Jung. Yes, I understand he can make any girl giddy from his looks alone but how does it feel to be the sole recipient of that smile, crazy,right? He is so perfect that he scares me, I think Seol can't really relax around him unlike when she is with In Ho(see last frame) did you ever see her smile like that with Jung? The atmosphere is happy that it warms our hearts, and we hope for a great friendship at this point not really anything romantic. But much, much later then maybe.
I know college kids nowadays are so into bashing and hating other people empowered by social media and the likes but I don't think they can be this conniving and manipulative in real life, but who knows? This reminds of that movie Cruel Intentions.
Back to Mr. Perfect, if he is so tired by people's ulterior motives which made him the way he is now, One wrong move from Seol can cost her big time. Even if he truly loves her, I feel like she can't really be at ease with all the doubts and trying to figure out his real intentions. Everyone has intentions, nobody is without one, good or bad or in between.
The kiss was nice but he was kinda intoxicated so that is still a drunk kiss, half motivated by alcohol so that's not 100%. Was that the first kiss? Eeeew, ....
Although I like In Ho as sort of an alternative just in case jung and seol would hv a major falling out later, as a girl, I don't like Seo Kang Joon's perfectly sculpted lips,, how can a guy live with a woman's lips? It bothers me so much, it is like those lip cut-outs that you paste on so red, so cupid bow-ish and upturned on the sides which is so annoying to look at. It is nice if a guy does hv sexy lips but I want real ones, and if they don't hv it a really nice smile would do, a genuine one and no need for joker ends.

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OMG it's been so long TurkishRose, Hi!!! I love our male lead, I find the people around him is much bigger ass*%$ and I have read so many people trying to analyse him and come to conclusion he is just plain troubled asshole, which I disagree. But, CITT would not be sooo interesting without Jung. Seol and In-Ho would be cute, but that would make it not so interesting story line. Jung and his character is the pulse of the show, IMO

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+1 I love this drama
best part is all the karma jung did in past is going to haunt his love life... I want him to realize his mistakes pay for it and change his way of thinking... that is when he'll be worthy of soel...

As for IN-HO poor guy I think he can never be more than a good friend to soel...

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I am glad that Jung doesn't just keep quiet and take some of the cr*p that people did toward him. He gives it back as much as people give to him. I'd say he's patient enough already. People just don't leave him alone, aren't they?

So sad hearing Jung's own confession, people starting to treat him like a pushover since high school, I bet it's not only about money or group assignments.

Indeed his family is rich, but it's not HIS own money. We just don't see that perhaps judging from his card's transaction, his father already warned him about his expenditure. I just can imagine his line of thinking, "When I'm going out to eat with my friends, I don't refuse when they said I should be the one to pay, because that's the easiest way. Thus my dad's warning is fair enough, it's consequence of my own choice." He never the one who says/thinks, "Woe, is me.. How pitiful I am. The whole world is against me."

Seol is already a very nice and non-confrontational girl, so I am glad that Jung knows how to protect himself and the people he considers as important in his life. They should be glad that they are still on college-level. Real world, perhaps not tolerant enough, like Jung.

On YG, gosh, he just can't leave Jung alone, can he? I really wish that Jung, or even better, Seol can beat him, so that he perhaps learn a lesson that when a girl says no, it means NO.

Also, is it three times already? that Jung keeps telling Seol that if YG do anything to her, she needs to tell him. I wish Seol just telling Jung already. He's your boyfriend, girl, it is his instinct wanting to protect you.

Also, on a side note, judging from SangChul sunbae interaction with Jung in the bar, and even from previous episodes, it's not like Jung makes him public enemy #1, after the incident where SC changed Seol's class. Does it mean Jung forgive him already? Or he thinks that the karma has been paid to SC, as in the end he still did go to witch professor's class.

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Man. Things are really getting dark now. My Jung ship is beginning to tip over. I love Seol-Jung, but how are they ever going to get past this?

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I hope our ship doesn't sink!!! I'm also aboard the Seol-Jung cruise and the bad thing is~ I can't even swim... so if we go overboard I will truly be dead.

I actually enjoy watching Jung being dark~ I don't know why but its kinda nice seeing a completely different first lead.

Also about In-ho's hand incident~ I have a feeling it was his sisters doing and Jung didn't have anything to do with it. When I saw her in the previous episode saying that she would break his fingers so he couldn't play piano anymore it kinda stuck with me. I personally wouldn't be able to forgive a sibling if they betrayed me like that, yes she was abused when they were kids but she was old enough in junior high? to know right from wrong. As for her actions right now... she is ugh... so infuriating. I actually find her more terrifying than Jung. Jung only gets manipulative when he is trying to get back at someone, and he sees it as doing the right thing. In-ha though doesn't have any filtering and even manipulates her own brother to get what she wants.

If anyone does know the answer to the In-ho-Jung incident please feel free to send me a message on my tumblr ~ I wouldn't mind getting spoilers.

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Yes, I did wonder about that scene. They showed her high-heeled shoe missing his hand by just a second. Surely that means something? And Inha was involved in the Younggon fiasco as well. It seems to be a pattern with her.

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I really hope someone puts her in her place one of these days~ she is really getting worse...

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They showed her high-heeled shoe missing his hand by just a second.

I positively yelped at that in the middle of the night. InHa is scary... although that wasn't uncalled for given how mean InHo was. But still... since she knew how much his hands meant to him...

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Honestly, that moment was enought for In-Ho to stop his relationship with his sister, I mean what if he didn't take his hand away? it isn't like she stoped on her own....yea, In-Ho was pretty hursh but acting like she did in my book seems like killing in the state of affect

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You know, that scene when Inha threw a fit in her bed when talking to YJ on the phone really clued me in on her being a crazy-bitch. I don't at all put it pass her to ruin her brother's dream w/o giving it a thought.
But there are many other crazy, unlikeable chars in this drama:
1. In-ha;
2. Sonbae who steals money from membership fees, is a bully, tries to get a free meal or free ride at every opportunity, is always obnoxious, shamelessly latches onto Seol's hoobae, and behaves like he has every right to all of it cos he is older, just doesn't go down well with me; Why doesn't anyone tell him off?
3. Young Gun, who must be totally cracked!
4. His new GF?! Wow, some girl who looks normal would actually think it's a good idea to date him! As we are seeing, she falls no where within the norm, does she?
5. Landlady's supposed grandson; I get that there are panty thieves out there, but the way he blames Seol for bringing multiple guys home, and how he talks to YJ make him super creepy!
6. Copy-cat Seol; there is being mousy, wanting to be as well-liked as sb else, but taking cues from a lunatic like YG and do his bidding to hurt Seol!
7. YJ may be Machiavellian and ruthless with those he doesn't like, but compared to the rest, he is the least creepy. I'm Not saying he is BF material by any stretch tho.
8. What about Inho? Is he only too proud, too impatient to go back to practising scales for 5 years? Or is there more to him on the dark side that we haven't been shown?
So Seol is the only sane char here? Plus her bestie? And bestie's ardent admirer?
This drama is sure full of questionable chars! I guess that's what makes it diff and interesting.

Didn't mean to hijack your post. I only meant to write about Inha being crazy-bitchy, but as I write, the list of creepy chars just keeps growing.

No wonder I felt a great sense of unease watching eps 1 &2. That's cos the lunatics have escaped and taken over the university! ?

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I know! I was here to enjoy the squee, but with these last two episodes, things made a sudden turn into Arkham Asylum.

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@lindi... I really thought YG was a mad convergence of the Joker and The Riddler.

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6. AND she took a photo of a random guy, I don't know why, but this scared me the most, maybe because it was creepy and done all by herself (without cues from stalker number 3)

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The photo snapping thing was ermmm creepy in her context but ... I have to say I sometimes have the urge to take photos of goodlooking people randomly? ...this is a moment of reflection here...

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I think she probably did ruin his hand. i think Yoo Jung takes the blame for it. I wonder if Yoo Jumg kind of likes her. They certainly are both control freaks and uncomfortable to watch!!

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He took the blame for the texts telling young gon to pursue seol obsessively which in ha sent to seol in his place. He didn't even offer up an explanation or anything.
Although I know that telling him the truth doesn't completely let him off the hook either because at the time he didn't try to stop in ha even though I'm sure he knew what kind of person she is and what she would be planning to do.

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I thought the same after watched the flashback in episode 7 when Inha told Inho will break his finger. And tbh, i feel also that Inha had something to do with Inho-Jung incident that lead to their fight. Also, she surely had feeling for Jung, that could be the reason too.

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If it sinks, can we at least have Inho play the piano while it goes down ala Titanic and those musicians playing til the bitter end?

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omfG THAT IMAGE THO

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which one???

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You made my day!
That is such a hilarious scene. I actually imagined it whilst reading your comment.

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Best comment ever! That image is hilarious!

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This would be perfection and we'd need a laugh after all the tension!

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I can't explain what this comment has done to me ... But damn it needs to go down in the hall of fame ...

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Im so glad im not the only one that thinks In-Ha is more scary than Jung and there is a chance she has something to do with the accident of In-ho hand......

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Agree about the Jung ship. I like a dark hero too but how he treated Seol's gay neighbors was so far outta line that I developed serious misgivings about him. Usually I enjoy watching the hardworking, kind-hearted heroine influence the a**hole chaebol to become a better person. But I get an ominous feeling about Jung. Considering how he retaliates for grievances, what might he do if Seol turned him down or offended him? Thinking he's not a healthy guy for her, especially since she lacks chutzpah anyway. Just dreamin', I know, but I'd love to see her with In-ho. Loved Seo Kang-Joon in Cunning Single Lady too and hope he gets a lead role soon. He's brilliant at conveying emotion.

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I have not seen chutzpah used in ages! It's such a brilliant word.

That incident was stricken from my mind. I really didn't like how that scene was written or played out.

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The way Yoojung treated Jooyong, the gay neighbor has nothing to do with his sexual preference tho. He said 'what a sight' to him seeing how both Jooyong & TA Heo end up being panty thief & c/card thief. Both living like a loser. And because of what Jooyong said to him all the back to their childhood, I think that what makes him angrier at Jooyong. He also doesnt understand why Jooyong wants to live like that & make him go back home was more about how Yoojung didnt understand why Jooyong left home because of love & not fulfilling his responsibility. Because he did asked whether Jooyong knew what happened to his household.

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@ hanie
Loved your thoughts on this. Yes I think Jung's reaction is about the two guys living in isolation from people in suspicious (one suspected of panty stealing and the other caught stealing wallet) manner.

It's not about him looking down on their preferred sexual orientation or lifestyle. I don't hear or see Jung explicitly mention about that. He was already very upset at TA Heo telling half of the story (conveniently leaving out his own crime) so to see him together with Jooyong agitated him that Jooyong left his family for a "loser".

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I got the same impression, that Jung was upset about the way they were living their lives, not about their sexual orientation (which he seemed to ignore). I was actually cheered that a homosexual could be portrayed as a real person with faults, rather than as some sort of kindly saint to prove how cool and unbiased the writer/director are (side-eye at you, American shows).

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@ skelly
Wise note. I think everyone is flawed and it's kind of cliche to portray minority or marginalized groups as innocent victims all the time.

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Correct. And they didn't show it in the drama, but yoo jung had a good impression of Joo young when they were younger. And that's why he is disappointed as to what he became years after.

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if you read the naver comic - he clearly says it because he views them both as thieves.

http://comic.naver.com/webtoon/detail.nhn?titleId=186811&no=1#otoon=100

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Thanks @ cappuccino conversations
Good to note that Jung had no hidden malice towards both of them. If Seol had been less mature, Jung would have lost her resulting from TA Heo's remark.

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I wasn't even necessarily referring to homophobia by Jung when I said it gave me serious misgivings about him. It was more how he cruelly separated the loving couple apparently clueless, or worse yet, uncaring, about how much pain he was causing them. I would've found that reprehensible whether they were gay or straight. I haven't read the comic so maybe there are nuances I'm missing but his authoritarianism combined with his power make him scary to me. I shudder to think about my daughter/sister/friend hooked up with someone like him in the real world. I'll be delighted if the drama manages to change my feelings about him and I'd love to see Seol, in addition to being a lovely person, develop more chutzpah (for the chutzpah lover up there ;). I think that's already happening.

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Lots of ppl are manipulative in this show:
- TA Heo was upset when Joo Yong we to back to see his mum and put up a tantrum and giving ultimatum about seeing his parents again
- the phychotic fellas like In-HA and YG are far more manipulative and dangerous than Jung. Remember how In-HA exploited the men all the time for money?

TA Heo may seem to lose out in the confrontation with Jung as Jung did "force" JY to return home but that does not necessarily keep the lovers apart. He didn't ask them to break up for life. As seen from the hospital visit to Seol, TA Heo calmed down considerably after the fight. And there is no indication of a breakup with JY.

The outcome is JY was reunited with family and probably contunue seeing TA Heo for dates whether they are free, instead of cohabiting in secret. Perhaps when they are more independent and after JY succeeded in his exams, they can have a better future.

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Sorry lots of typo in my message.

@ Dannie
I see your point. I guess Jung was very upset at the possibility of losing Seol that he lashed out at the couple. It's really something that he and TA Heo should sort out without involving JY.

@ tinypal
Anyway we get to see that JY is a real sweet fella and he is the peacemaker during the confrontation as indicated by @tinypal

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I was thinking the same thing about whether or not he would retaliate against Seol if she "offended" him in any way. But then I remembered the conversation in the bar with him, Seol, and In-ho, where they were discussing all of Jung's ex-girlfriends. It didn't sound like any of the breakups were necessarily bad ones, and you would think that In-ho would have taken the opportunity to point out any of Jung's bad behavior with his exes, but In-ho didn't say anything like that. So I don't know if he would retaliate against Seol or not if she broke up with him, or made him really angry.

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Thanks for the speedy recap!! (:

Though the kissing scenes were really cute (omg Seol is just a ball of adorableness), I really loved all the playful interactions between Seol and In-ho. Though I am glad In-ho is finally playing the piano again; it really shows how much he matured since the beginning of the drama.

But oh my goodness, Oh Young-gon is really starting to become a pain. Yet another obstacle for Jung and Seol. :/

Though it was a small scene, I'm glad Seol finally stood up to Sang-chul in class. And while Bo-ra was the one mostly interrogating Min-soo, I'm glad Seol feels the same and hope she faces Min-soo properly soon.

Ahhh, 6 days till the next episode~ Time to start rewatching some old episodes LOL

Thanks again for the recap!

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i teared up at In Ho's scenes with the piano. tbh my true ship for him is In Ho/Piano. haha. I think regardless of waht goes down with him and Seol. if he can have that in hsi life again, he can be genuinely happy. (i also if nothing else really want seol to be his friend for the long term. i wouldnt be against them dating but its obv not on her mind at this point so.)

tbh the biggest obstacle to Jung/Seol is gonna be Jung. and sometimes Seol who struggles to speak her mind at times but so far the biggest grievances have been on his end. like...if he can get his shit TOGETHER. i'm sure they can work out. at least for a while lol.

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100% agree. I would enjoy the whole series watching In Ho playing piano and being friends with Seol, please stay like this!! :D

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In Ho/Piano I totally ship that!!!!!! I agree with you completly

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So true, that would be awesome. Though it probably won't happen (because he's the second lead.. D;), I like this friendship they have going on and hope they keep it. But I really like how In-ho is respecting the fact that Seol is in a relationship with Jung. Clearly he has taken an interest in Seol, but time and time again, he's stepped aside, never taking initiative.

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I would watch a spinoff with Inho and his piano...as long as InHa isn't in it, haha.

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Yes, count me in the IH/piano ship ^^ ! His longing and hesitation in front of that piano in the last episode had me tearing up, it was so real! I'm really impressed with the actor so far.

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I actually found the fact that Seol snapped and stood up for herself with Sang-chul, really encouraging for her growth as a character - last semester, she would just have let it go and tried to smooth things over.

But she's going to need every bit of nerve she has, since Copycat and Stalker are conspiring to mess her up.

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I love how Seol’s life couldn’t be more chaotic. First it was Yoo Jung, now it's Young Gon and Minsoo. Young Gon's no master manipulator like Yoo Jung but he knows weakness when he sees it and has no qualms with preying on it. I initially felt sorry for Minsoo, given that she clearly has very low self-confidence and just wants to make herself liked and is going about it the wrong way. It’s natural that she would gravitate towards the advice of someone who makes her feel better about herself. But after watching her snap that very creepy picture of Jun, whew! She and Young Gon sure are birds of a feather. Watching her face down Seol was rather terrifying though. As an introvert, I’m well aware of the power we hold in society. I kid you not. If a quieter kid, teen or university student is picked on, everyone jumps to their defense. There’s something about quieter, shyer people that make you feel protective of them, and to me, that was Minsoo’s true power, more than any of Jun’s advice about causing a scene. If this was say Bora versus Dayoung, the outcome would be very difficult, but it’s Bora versus the much quieter Minsoo who’s suddenly raising her voice, so people naturally assume the former is in the wrong.

And the former is in the wrong in many ways. I like Bora, but there’s a time and a place for her brand of confrontation. You don’t have to be rude and condescending. It’s great with people like Sangcheol but awful with people like Minsoo. And Seol is aware of that to some extent, so I wish she’d restrained Bora. Seol’s problem with face-downs makes me wonder how she’s going to handle the huge bomb Young Gon dropped today.

The reveal with regards to Young Gon and Yoo Jung was pretty damning though. Yoo Jung sunbae, you were supposed to be better than this. How am I supposed to root for someone who can see into the souls of others and still chose to sic Young Gon on Seol? It doesn’t matter if you knew she disliked you and wanted revenge in some petty manner. It’s so weird to look at him after this because he just seems fine despite knowing he’s the cause of so much stress and fear in Seol’s life. I highly doubt she’s going to understand or forgive him like she did before. And it’s definitely going to cast doubts on everything else he’s told her. It’s funny because it’s the one thing she didn’t ask him about (Yoo Jung clearly doesn’t have a problem with honesty) and it’s the most important detail of it all.

How does this show keep getting better and better?

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I initially felt sorry for Minsoo, given that she clearly has very low self-confidence and just wants to make herself liked and is going about it the wrong way.

I never did and I don't think I ever will. When she said to herself that she was better than Seol, I was like... "says the person who couldn't even do her project work". I think that was my beef with her. A person will low self-confidence, I will accept/ try to befriend/cheer up. But a person with apparent low self-confidence and cannot even do her own part for her project work... I'm gonna side-eye that because there's something more than hapless low self-confidence.

so I wish she’d restrained Bora

Seol did, but Seol is a non-confrontational person so she didn't try very hard... which I think is why she's on her way to receiving the strongest-pull-as-a-creeper-magnet prize.

someone who can see into the souls of others

I'm not sure why everyone thinks Jung is able to read others better than everyone else. To me, he thinks reads them according to his own rules/circumstances which may mean that he may be right or wrong... which makes him like everyone else. He may be a bit more perceptive than others but to me, it's not like he's able to understand ALL of every person - he just thinks he does, I think - which makes him not very much of a genius people-reader. So whether he knew that YoungGun would go so far as to stalk Seol or not is still up in the air (although of course what he did was not very nice but I think we've established that Jung is no angel).

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hmm. I think he surprises us with insight and so we expect it all the time. Everyone gets it wrong on this show. Which is one of the things I love about it. I really hope Jung has a good explanation for the way he treated Seol. I'm afraid it's actually that he unconsciously liked her but he couldn't handle it because he thought she was 'like everyone else' and so he took out his hurt feeling on her. Everyone uses Jung, that's his thing so him feeling that Seol did the same is not worth the shit that happened to her. So I really hope he had no idea what he was getting her into with the bitchy girl (sorry can't remember her name), Young Gon and anyone else I've missed out on.

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@ Lola
Interesting points. Yes, he probably had some / abit of interests in Seol back then but maybe brushed it aside as annoyance since she "judged" him.

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Jung did admit with Seol in the webtoon that he's not good at reading people while she's good at that. I think he was preferring to how he misunderstood Seol and how she could see right through his nice-guy mask. The drama didn't included this that's why people are painting him as magnificent people readers and gives him many credits for that. I think the scene where he sits with Inha doing all the texting, it's just him being indifferent and doesn't care, yes he should stop Inha from doing it but at that time Seol to him is an annoyance and he's just so done with them keep annoying him, he may think it doesn't concern him whatever happens to them (Seol and stalker guy) because he hates them. irl we do this to people we hate too, we are not heroes fighting for justice, we feel good when those we hate suffer. Jung is the same, he is portrayed very realistic.

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Nope, it isn't what people do, if someone annoys you- you hope he will/make him f*ck off, but if he has nothing to do with you you let them be, not send a creepy stalker....
P.S can someone explain me why he disliked her SO MUCH? It isn't like she badmouthed him or did something wrong (Yap, in the end her suspense turned out to be true/making someone post about stolen money)

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I don't think Jung knows Young Un is a stalker at that stage. No one knew, not even Seol who went to speak to him. Your argument would be as if we should blame Seol too - hey, why did you be nice to that guy as he is a stalker, so you asked for it. How do we expect Jung to know Young Un is a stalker? He didn't know either.

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@ dramapanda

Sounds logical. Yeah no one knew YG was that crazy. Or maybe Jung did suspect but since YG acted remorseful over the basketball row, he might think that YG having a GF would be a good thing.

I am keen to know any other stuff that made Jung like Seol (apart from the index finger + caring for his fever)

Any clues given in the webtoon?

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Er... I agree with you that normal people don't send stalkers off to people they hate but whether Jung knew that YoungGon would become a stalker is not confirmed. But I will agree with Colin that people, when they dislike another person, will not interfere with or prevent an action that may or may not result in inconveniences for the one they dislike (barring some major hurt). Which results in what we see Jung ends up doing. If YoungGon were even bit sane, all we'd have is him confessing to Seol and being embarrassed, instead of him being a creepy stalker.

And maybe Jung didn't haaaaate Seol that much. We could have been reading it wrong.... eh... who knows.

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"he may think it doesn’t concern him whatever happens to them (Seol and stalker guy) because he hates them"
this and
"we do this to people we hate too, we are not heroes fighting for justice, we feel good when those we hate suffer"
this was what I commented on- on Colin's point of view not on a story in general.
On another note, for a guy who is SO good in manipulating it seems weird that he didn't notice that YG was NOT normal.
I mean as Bo Ra said, YG has a history of obsession with some girls(him and Jung have same friend's circle so he must have heard about it) and he also saw how he reacted on the football field (YOU'RE FAKE and next second he is begging for forgivness).
It can be a plot hole but I'm 90% percent sure Jung knew

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And apparently when Seol told him that she was being harassed, he (presumably) put a stop to it bec the stalking stopped after that.

... But still it will be a hard sell for jung. The question being will he even make the effort. From the preview it seems that he basically told seol that they are too different and its ta-ta bye-bye

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Exactly! I didn’t read the texting scene as malicious at all. I saw him as being more careless than anything. In that he didn’t really think about what In Ha was doing and the full implications of her actions.

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Yes I thought so too. I don't think he manipulated the whole thing with the intention to sic a stalker on Seol. Looked like he just let In-Ha have some "fun". In a way, it was not a wise gesture and I am sure Jung probably regretted the whole thing although he couldn't help being amused at the crazy bat YG.

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@Colin
I see your points. Yes we shouldn't expect Jung
to be a great mind reader all the time. He is not superhuman.

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@ Peeps

"Seol did, but Seol is a non-confrontational person so she didn’t try very hard… which I think is why she’s on her way to receiving the strongest-pull-as-a-creeper-magnet prize."

Exactly - I think it is exactly that non-confrontational, avoid ant personality of Seol's, that sends off a loud signal to those around her that she can be taken advantage of and treated badly. Some of the stuff they come out with - really rude, demanding, obnoxious and crazy crap - Seol just takes it. Anyone else would be calling them out on it, and basically people don't mess around with people with who they know they cannot mess around.

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I wondered if, when Jun saw Seol talk to Young Gon, he thought Seol had stirred Young Gon up and talked to him about Yoo Jung? Maybe he thought Seol was using Young Gon to spread rumors about him. It wouldn't make it ok, but at least it's a better reason then "I didn't like you back then."

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Ooh. That would be at least a motive! For me, I've really been wanting to know why Seol was worth treating badly but no one else in the same category as her got the same treatment. That's unfair, Jung.

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Seems like it all boils down to misunderstandings and perceptions on the guys' part....

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That's such a great motive! I hope the show goes with this because it not only shows that Jung isn't an infallible mind-reader as Peeps has pointed out above, but that he was hurt by Seol's behaviour. There's such a difference between how he treated her before falling for her, and how he treats her now, and I feel a bit uncomfortable.

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Man, I applaud all your points. Bo Ra totally made the situation worse and by putting Min Soo on the spot she really had very few options. It was either admit she 'stole' something she had no intention to steal or deny. There was really no way for it to go well.

I was really disappointed by the Young Gon stalking/Jung interactions in the past and present. The fact that Jung basically set that up (even if we give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't know it'd go that bad) and then in the present smirking at his confrontation Young Gon. It felt like he had no understanding of his culpability of the consequences of what he orchestrated. Don't know if it was bad editing, but I need to see that in the present he feels some responsibility/acknowledgement that he made Seol's life hard. Because I didn't feel it. The events seem to be separate to him in his mind. It makes me uncomfortable somehow and I can't quite put my finger on why.

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I think that's a bit of bullcrap, to be frank, about Bora. Yes, Bora might be blunt, but it simply exposed the root of the problem. Look, if I took something that belonged to someone else by accident, which is what happened to Min Soo - you just say - oh yes, I picked it up the other day and wondered whose it was. Is it yours? How cute - here it is. The reason why Min Soo flubbed was because she felt guilty - she was trying to steal Seol's style, and deep inside, she wanted to be Seol. This was the underlying truth that was making everyone uncomfortable, especially Seol and Bora.

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I do see your point and frankness is one of the things I admire most about Bora, but the thing with some people who have social anxiety or are hugely introverted like Minsoo, is that they don't do well on the spot and need to be treated with kid gloves. If you approach them quietly and in a friendly manner, they open up like nothing else but if you're blunt with them they close up like mimosa pudica. Minsoo was just about to give it back to Seol (or use it as a bargaining chip for lunch) until Bora made her feel small. Minsoo's certainly in the wrong here, there's no doubt about it, but Bora also made the situation worse.

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I don't have a problem with people with social anxiety or are hugely introverted, or have self-esteem problems.

But I do have a problem with the following:

- being creepy enough to copy someone else wholesale - to the point where their best friend and boyfriend mistakes you for them. To do this in such a way where all those people are uncomfortable and yet being self-indulgent or selfish enough to be okay with it.

- where Seol has always been nice to her, to be so stupid and deluded to quickly change and blame Seol for copying her and then twisting things to be about Seol not being nice

- to be steal Seol's toy and then to somehow find a way to make the Seol's fault or Bora's fault.

For accuracy, Min Soo wasn't about to just "return the toy" - she was using it to blackmail Seol to have lunch with her, to validate her own insecurities, and she then thought to herself - after that (ie. getting all she wanted from Seol) she would then return the toy.

So this isn't about social anxiety or being shy alone, it is about someone being twisted and selfish enough to think and act in this manner. There are plenty of shy and insecure people who do not behave this way.

In these scenarios, treating them with kid gloves only says, oh your self-esteem problem is so big everyone else must live with the discomfort of you bring a creep, and heavens forbid, we call you out on the truth. Nah - even if the cost is not getting back the toy - Bora did the right thing to call her out. Otherwise, Bora would be simply saying to Seol and herself that this copycat weirdness is fine and normal.

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You're absolutely right. I think my main issue with Bora's involvement was that it gave Minsoo more (unreasonable) fodder to hate Seol.

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I can understand why you think that, but to be honest, it won't take much for Min Soon to hate Seol more. It's already been shown - just a few whispers from Young Un, just a little vanity here and there. She's well on her own road of delusion, and I don't think it's fair the world around her has to walk on eggshells because of it.

I imagine the atmosphere around them all is very weird - people sort of noticing the copying but not wanting to say anything for the sake of being "nice". I think I like Bora because she's the one character in that school who doesn't feel afraid to say it as she calls it. In the past, she's brave enough to snipe back at Joo Yeon too. It's a good reality check.

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True but in real life, being right (as in confronting Min Soo who is obviously in the wrong for both creepily copying Seol and taking the lion) doesn't mean it's in anyone's best interest (including your own) to escalate a situation. Of course that's something you learn after years of dealing with people that you normally wouldn't associate with (either in school or work). It's usually best to approach the situation in a way that won't escalate it. Yes Bo Ra was acting quite naturally (who wouldn't after being freaked out by a stranger looking so much like your best friend on purpose) but the confrontation did no-one any favours. I think Seol was a bit gun-shy after the Young Gon situation that she was subconsciously scared to take Min Soo aside by herself and talk to her. Because yes you're right, Min Soo's sudden mimicry was unsettling to Seol and she hadn't had time to really work out how to approach it.

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On gosh, it was scary seeing Jung so coldly manipulate young gun and inha . But I want it to be explained. I really don't want him to be THAT bad. I want him to mend his relationship with inho .

So many wishes for this story.

Loved the kiss. It's was so well done.

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Same - it's like Jung keeps you torn about him. You want the best for him, rationalize his actions, then you doubt him or start to fear his methods, and then you squee about what a cute drunk he makes, and then your blood runs cold again -

Imma need a doctor after this drama.

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You and me both. You've put into words exactly how I feel after watching episode 8. It scares me that he can really be creepy but I still love how complex his character is.

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Word. Jung keeps me tied up in knots. As much as I love in-ho's cuteness and seol's flaying around, it is Jung that keeps me riveted to this show

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I need more of his flashbacks!

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That is making me confused. I think he didn't mean to do it (but using two different phones to do it was strange) but when In-ha jumped in the text, he didn't say no nor yes.

That's why he's been doing, not to say the exact answer in everything that might actually cause bigger things.

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I don't think he meant to give the phone to In-ha to text beforehand (but who knows, maybe he did), but I DEFINITELY don't think he was trying to manipulate In-ha into siccing Young Gon on Seol. Besides, we know that he saw Seol comforting Young Gon that one time, so maybe he really did think she liked him.

Maybe I just saw that scene with different eyes than everyone else, but I saw this screw up as a sin of omission -- not stopping In-ha and not telling Seol or stepping up to clear up the mistake.

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Well, that's his style of manipulating people. He subtly guides events and then steps back to enjoy the wreck that they make, while he watches "innocently" from the sidelines. I think that it was orchestrated by him.

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@smittenkitten totally agreed. Particularly if we factor in the smirking.

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Yup, totally his MO. That's the thing that was bothering me about that scene.

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Ah yes, this reminds me of the lyrics from TheOffspring's "You're Goona Go Far, Kid" - set in the perspective of someone admiring the "kid" for their manipulation of people and brilliant subterfuge.
For this episode especially, I think of the line "turning all against the one", but I think some of the other relevant ones in Yoojung's case would be:

"There’s something in your way
And now someone is gonna pay"

"Another clever word
Sets off an unsuspecting herd
And as you step back into line
A mob jumps to their feet"

"And no one even knew...
It was really only you"

Oke..... that's my 200won...

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@Bluecow

Totally agree with you.

1. I think at that point of time, Jung was still trying to figure out Seol. And he probably couldn't discern whether she liked/disliked Young Gon. In any case, he wasn't in a position to discourage YG's attempt to woo a girl.

2. Also, Jung was probably not interested in other people's matters. And when In-Ha sent some silly replies, it may appeared harmless to him at that time.

3. In all likelihood, Jung couldn't possibly foresee that YG was gonna stalk Seol based upon those messages.

4. Even if he did allow In-ha to send the messages, I think it was probably part amusement and part curiosity on the outcome. He probably thought that Seol would accept or got rid of YG. In that sense, he must have felt guilty when he underestimated YG's obsession and Seol's predicament after her confrontation.

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Yeah, I think Jung was mainly trying to get back at Young Gun. He wanted the YG to spend a lot of money on gifts for Seol. I don't he even thought that Seol would be stressed out by it.

He probably wouldn't have done that with any other girl, but he didn't like seol at that time, so he didn't think about how she'd feel about it.

I'm pretty sure he was the one who got YG to take time off though. After Seol complained about YG. But whether he did that to cover up his part in it or to fix his mistake, not sure.

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Part of Jung's "weirdness" comes from the fact that he just doesn't care about random people. You see it in the scene when seol is at the police station vouching for the neighbour. Jung just says ok, hangs up and goes back to the treadmill and doesn't give it one more thought

Most of us would ask questions, maybe even offer (useless) help like 'should i come over' or 'call me if you need anything' etc etc .... just platitudes that are part of social conditioning i guess

Jung skips all that. He has a very very limited circle that he cares about. Beyond that, unless you mess with him, he doesn't give you a second thought ....

This is what happened here i guess. He just said maybe seol likes you and in-ha took over and he just put the whole thing out of his mind, not giving a damn

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@ emanresu, aoioheen, bips99

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@ aoiaheen

Totally spot on!
"Yeah, I think Jung was mainly trying to get back at Young Gun. He wanted the YG to spend a lot of money on gifts for Seol. I don’t he even thought that Seol would be stressed out by it."

LOL! I never thought about that! Sweet revenge on YG for his basketball outburst.

Perhaps he thought that Seol would be pleased with some gifts from an ardent admirer...

Or he could be thinking... "Seriously, is this dude getting love advice from me?"

As for suggesting that she might like YG, he could be thinking, "Maybe she does like him? Or maybe not, anyway how would I know? Just saying ..."

Having said that, Jung still had played a part in this whole mess. He should have clarified to Seol now but again he might be thinking that she didn't ask so maybe it's all in the past.

Sadly what could have been a hilarious prank at YG might turn out badly for Jung. Let's hope our OTP can overcome this and that we will find out the true motivations behind the incidents.

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Wait a minute, wasn't it In ha who texted YoungGon to give expensive presents to Seol?

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I was more moved by the piano scene with In Ho than the hot kiss with Jung :) When the series first started, I was surprised at how fast it was going. But now I see that they reversed the order of some things, like how they introduced Oh Young Gon later rather than right at the start of the show. It actually works out perfectly.

In Ho is seriously my favorite character (Seol is very close behind!). Even if you take out the romantic element, I am so invested in his story and want him to make a successful comeback on the piano. In the webtoon, you actually don't find out that he plays piano for a looong time. You see his rash nature and figure he's a hoodlum of sorts only to be surprised by the fact that he had so much talent. He's a bit more tame in the drama.

He really is an underdog in this story. He lost his parents at a young age. His sister is cray cray. He had the accident which impeded abuptly halted his piano future. He's poor. I really am looking forward to his growth.

Seol is also an underdog but in a different way. She's used to being a pushover so it'll be nice to see her grow to stand up for herself and gain confidence. The reason why I like In Ho so much is because he seems to push Seol to be a better person as he was the one who encouraged her to speak up. Jung has also helped her but always behind the scenes and in ways that could be deceptive or manipulative. In Ho is just up front and honest, albeit brash at times.

I feel like they have perfectly portrayed Jung to match the webtoon. I get the exact same vibe from him as when I was reading the webtoon. Every time you let your guard down and think, "Awww, he's really a nice guy," they go ahead and show an unsettling scene that throws you off again.

Min Soo is such a creeper :/

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I like In-Ho too. Especially the way he is portrayed in the drama. Seol just seems so much more relaxed around him. And honestly I am not yet convinced that it is Jung in particular and not just a handsome and popular older guy paying attention to her that is making her heart flutter.

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She does seem infatuated with Jung a bit, but it's just a pleasure to see her with In Ho. I don't know if it's just that the actors have better chemistry, but she seems so natural with him but when she's with Jung it seems like she doesn't relax around him.

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You know it's deliberate right? They went for a more awkward approach. If you watch the BTS you will see that they have loads of chemistry. The PD made them cut back on it.

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These comments about the actors' chemistry make me baffled when 1) PHJ and KGE ooze that awkward first love/attraction chemistry on-screen 2) off screen they have even MORE chemistry and 3) I'm struggling to see the romantic chemistry of Seol and In-Ho because nothing in their scenes up to this point actually feel romantic? And that's because she doesn't see him that way...

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And even more interesting was the dinner scene re: In Ho. I know everyone focused on the fact that he was the one on the sidelines, bringing Jung water, washing his dishes etc., and how much everyone liked Jung, but what I found even more telling was that the show focused on In Ho and Seol's family after Jung left. That he's not just privy to the facade that Jung got to see- the typical girlfriends' parents; the protective dad and the mom telling him to have more food and the part annoying, part adorable younger brother- he was there for the afterwards, the real family; a marital relationship that often seems on brink of the breakdown, and he's there for the terrible fighting, and the slacker brother and the financial issues and everything.

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"but what I found even more telling was that the show focused on In Ho and Seol’s family after Jung left."

I agree. To me, it did seem as though In ho was more a part of the family than Jung was, despite what was actually happening.

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agree with this, In Ho seems like family, as his relationship with Seol too. He is like her little brother, there's no romance what so ever between them. It is comfortable, and convenient with no inhibitions, like a family is. It is different when you are bf/gf, you are not family (yet), so of course there will inhibitions, things to cover up, until slowly unfold. That is what happens with Jung and Seol. I think it is funny that people keep trying to imagining there is some romance going on between In Ho and Seol, while you also admit how close family like their relationship is.

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I don't think there's any romance going on between In Ho and Seol (there clearly isn't, Seol isn't romantically interested in him), but I'm not getting the little brother vibe at all. I'm getting a best friends vibe and that can easily translate into romance at any stage (whether it actually does or not doesn't matter to me, it's the potential of it.) And In Ho is not family, he's not treated like family, he's an outsider who has an insider's glimpse into the family because of his position as a worker there, not because he's close to them.

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@Zoe

Yes agreed. InHo is a worker cum family friend (at least to the siblings). Not family....

He is not a brother to her (i doubt they see each other as siblings). But her brother may see him as a hyung...,

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Here's the thing - I think Jung is actually perceptive enough to see past the happy-families facade and at least make an educated guess about what they're like in private. But he chooses to let it pass and on a surface level, accept what's been presented to him for Seol's sake. So he and In-ho aren't quite as uneven on the knowledge of Seol's family bts as we would ordinarily think, though In-ho gets to be privy to more details, of course.

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Yeah and Jung isn't about to slam her parents to her face. He's already aware that she feels mistreated in comparison to her brother, so...

Also, who knows? In comparison to his father, her family might be great. The only time we've seen Jung's father is when he's talking to Jung about the Baek siblings.

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Hmm, I think I would disagree mainly because I feel like it's really hard to make an educated guess about things like this? You can sense some tension at times in other people's homes, but I don't think you can guess at the inherently private nature of such interactions. Besides marital discord on a particular day as one might imagine from a day's visit and a fraught relationship of the kind that Seol's parents have doesn't seem to me to be something that anybody can just glean from one interaction. I mean, I could maybe believe that but then I wouldn't be taking that from anything the show's shown me as yet (as it explicitly has re: In Ho) either openly or through implication or conversation. It would just be a presumption, which could be presumed either way; of Jung really believing the surface and Jung seeing past it. What I found interesting was this narrative choice of focusing on In Ho after the dinner in which he was completely sidelined, with Seol's family fighting in the background. Which after all, wasn't per se a necessary scene, in that it could just have ended after the scene where her father said Jung belonged to a different world and it would still have been an organic sequence. While to me the In Ho scene felt like an extension, almost a break from all that had happened before because the POV suddenly shifted, and thus a deliberate structural choice.

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The kiss scene was great (and it had the added advantage of making Seol giddy, which I adore), but the piano scene was beyond amazing in its realism. There's something so subtle and natural about the entire setting and the way the actors play it, getting by without much dialogue, especially when Seol switches to Chopsticks, and In Ho just naturally follows, and it's clear what happened even if you've never heard either piece and can't follow the switch. It's lovely to watch how much these two genuinely like each other and enjoy each other's company. It's so great especially because we know that both In Ho and Seol have had a pretty terrible day, so to come back at this point and be able to forget it for a while, seems a lot like comfort. Which was matched by Seol realizing that like everything else, those personal matters too can be endured. And I love that the episode ended there, in the middle of them playing and smiling, no dramatic set-up for the next episode, no awkward realizations, just a terribly long day and good companionship at the end of it. I love this drama so much because of its off-beat narrative and tone, and that it's willing to let that take precedence over the usual broadcast tropes.

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Dear Drama,

We need to have a wee chat.

Please tell me that stalker boy is not going to be another pink shirt, and that Jung's internship is not going to be another Sacheon.

Sorry, it's just that I have trust issues that need working out right now. Oh, and believe me, it's not you. You've been wonderful until now. It's me, my problem.

Cheers.

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it's so sad that if you mention "pink shirt" and "Sacheon" i know exactly the pain you went through. That drama scarred me for life... it gave me trust issues.

please tell me I can trust you, Cheese?

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wait...what. what is this in reference to? im dying to know now haha.

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The reference is for Answer Me 1988. XD

CitT gives me such mixed feelings.... I'm not sure how I'll hold on to MY sanity. _-_

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You really made me LOL coz I was thinking the same exact thing...I'm still a wee bit traumatized and still trying to move on LOL

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Same! ? I think about it and it still makes me upset. I don't think I'll ever be able to get over it lmao.

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I feel this pain. Pink shirt. Sancheon and I knew *sniffles*

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pink shirt and sacheon. everytime i see those two words why my heart feels ache. *cry in the corner. LOL

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Oh god this ;______; my heart won't heal ever again from the scars of 88

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Baek In Ho's character is my favorite. it's been a while seeing a character with dreams.

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second this! he's a human being second lead, right? basically, i love every character in this drama except... the creepy stalker... i mean, it happens in real life but.. one is enough. if we get more than it, we need a psychologist... :D

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Which one? too many creepy stalkers in this drama :D

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i really adore him. i just want the best for him. i dont think that necessarily means he should be an item with seol but i'm not against it either. so long as it makes narrative and character sense. so far Seol seems to treat him with a platonic affection. like a sister or a good friend. she wants to help him and sees the good in him. but that doesnt = romance imo. nor should it necessarily. that said, whether they do date or not. i rly hope they stay close and that YJ makes up with In Ho too. if nothing else YJ needs to get over himself and not try to make Seol avoid In Ho just cause he's jelly or has issues with In Ho personally.

I'm also kinda sick of people, not just on this site either, going on about how In Ho was crazier or meaner in the webtoon. like ok? why do i want to watch a guy be an asshole? i'm glad he's kinder and mellower! I dont think just because he is, that means Seol has to date him! U dont need him to be a huge ass just to preserve JungSeol. which i cant help but think is what prompts this fixation on the differences between him and his webtoon version. Him acting OTT and cartoony would be out of place in this setting and medium tbh. (it already makes In Ha stick out. altho tbh she makes total sense if u read her as having an untreated mental illness. i def have known people like her in my extended family. they arent evil but they are so messed up and no one ever got them on the right track taht they just became nightmares to be around)

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Lol, web toon readers do do that a bit, don't they?

But I think it's mostly because of their surprise. It does give more of an impression of there being a love triangle in the drama version which I think the drama makers (writer, director, etc) are doing on purpose.

I'm on Season 4 ch 21 (I think that the latest), btw, tho my Korean isn't good enough to get more than a general idea and I'm missing most of Season 3 since we have to pay for it, so I'm not laughing at the web toon readers either.
I get that it's a switch.

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I really hope these two stay together~ I have not read the webtoon. So I am praying that the main couple stay together till the end. Also I'm really wishing that the bromance is rekindled and that Seol and In-ho stay friends.

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The webtoon has not concluded yet, plus the author indicated that the drama would have its won ending, independent of the webtoon. Otherwise, why would people keep reading the webtoon?

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AHHHH!!! I was waiting for the ost (the one playing in the end) this whole time!!!! it's finally out!!! now i have to wait until next week to watch what happens next :(

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You and me both I kind of screamed when I heard the song at the end I had been waiting for it and I know that when a song it's played at the end it means it is going to be released. Finally our wait it's over :)

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The piano scene was adorable. I like Inho and Seol's relationship the most. They bring the best out of each other. Too bad I know it will never happen. Lol

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i feel you :'')

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They really do bring out the best in each other.

Throughout the series, they have drawn upon each others' advice in order to grow in positive ways. Seol remembered In Ho telling her not to be a pushover and started to stand up for herself, and In Ho took her advice to dress better for interviews.

He also took her advice to "Just do it" in this episode. He asked her HOW to work hard, and when she said that you "just do it", he repeated those words to himself when he started playing the children's piano exercises.

I love seeing these moments of how they influence each other for the better. I'm so enamored of In Ho, and of the fun and easygoing atmosphere that exists whenever he and Seol are together. I hope the drama keeps giving us more Seol/In Ho scenes!

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I love this drama, and I like Seol and Jung. But I have a feeling they aren't going to end up together. Which is a weird vibe to get from a kdrama. Maybe it'll prove me wrong.

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Are you thinking about Seol ending up with In-Ho? Or more of an open ending where the three of them (Jung, In-Ho, and Seol) grow as characters and the girl would not date either of the boys ?

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I'm thinking open ending, but, I too could be suffering from confusion post Reply 1988 (I tried not to pick a ship, I could tell the writers might go either way, I tried).

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