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Cheese in the Trap: Episode 14

It took a while, but we do meander back to our main relationship today after taking a few side trips to explore some supporting characters. I’ve generally enjoyed the characterizations in this drama (even the hateful ones) so I haven’t minded the detour, but I did feel like it was stretching too long so was relieved when we worked our way back to Jung and Seol.

Speaking of which, I didn’t expect or intend for my comments about In-ho yesterday to be so controversial! Here’s the thing: I have thought Jung was getting short shrift in the past few episodes, which I mentioned before, and I’ve missed him. But that didn’t preclude me from finding In-ho an interesting character, and I could appreciate an episode that put the focus on him without necessarily wanting him taking over as the lead; I expected him to step back once the story shifted back to the main couple.

That said, I did find myself impatient in this episode for In-ho’s scenes to resolve faster, because our hero was absent the entire first half of the hour, which felt wrong. Thankfully, he does come back, and some important steps are taken.

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EPISODE 14 RECAP

After In-ho’s sudden hug, Seol comes home completely flustered, trying to figure out what it meant. She tries to rationalize that In-ho’s been going through a lot and just needed some comfort, or maybe he lost his mind. Her eyes fall on the scarf he’d wrapped around her neck the other night, and the truth seems to dawn.

In-ho goes home just as stunned at his own behavior, banging his head on the wall. Hammer texts a reminder that his week is up, and In-ho has one last idea: His apartment deposit plus the salary advance from Seol’s parents only amounts to part of the total… but if he wins the piano competition, the prize money will give him just enough.

Bora lights up to get a text from Eun-taek, and runs off excitedly to meet him. He asks her to pick out a pair of earrings at a jewelry store, and she happily does—and then is told that they’re for another noona, the very pretty boss he’s been modeling for, to thank her for helping him with his job. He thanks Bora for helping him choose, and she’s visibly dispirited.

Seol sees Bora’s glum mood as they wait for class to begin, and offers to buy her coffee. The girls head out to grab some… and pesky Da-young shoots a sidelong look at Seol’s belongings.

When Seol returns to her seat, she notices that Jung’s coveted notebook is missing, and starts looking around frantically. A couple of girls remark that Da-young was just looking through Seol’s things, but Da-young says defensively that she’d just used her pen for a moment.

Da-young mentions seeing Sang-chul hovering before, insinuating that he stole it. After class, she leads the mob to him accusingly, but when they grab the copies in his hand, they’re not the notes. Da-young quickly backtracks and blames Seol for suspecting him of stealing, leaving Seol to protest that she hadn’t.

In-ha has dinner with Jung’s father, who tells her she can stop updating him about Jung, because he’ll just ask his son directly. Funny how that was never Option No. 1. In-ha pours on her usual aegyo to ask Dad for an apartment, swearing that it’ll be the last favor and that she’ll enroll for that tech certificate.

Dad reminds her that she said that the last time he gave her money, and thinks to himself that in the past, he’d never hated her wheedling. Which means now he does. He offers to reconsider the apartment after she gets her certificate, and In-ha, a little surprised, can only agree.

On her way out in the morning, Seol ducks out of the way when she sees In-ho, still feeling uncomfortable, and it makes her withdrawn all morning.

Bora asks Eun-taek if he gave his noona that present, deflating when he says she was so thankful she bought him dinner. She notices that Eun-taek’s lips are peeling and offers him lip balm, and looks hurt when he stops her from putting it on for him.

At lunch, both girls are distracted with their dilemmas. Seol asks Bora for her advice about “a friend” who’s having a problem—she’s got this boy-who’s-a-friend who seems to like her, but is it better that she keep ignoring it?

Thinking Seol is referring to her, Bora tells Seol to tell her “friend” that if she ignores it, he’ll find another woman right away, and that women are wrong to assume the guy will just keep liking her, and that no amount of regret will change anything. Bora grumbles that she’ll let him go coolly, hmph.

Nearby, Sang-chul sits down with a friend, and Bora still finds him suspicious as the notebook thief. Seol reminds her that they already saw that he didn’t make copies, but he’s being remarkably blasé about his graduation exam, drinking all night and not worrying about studying.

In-ho meets with Hammer to request one month to come up with the 10 million won he owes. Taking In-ho now means he won’t get any money, but if he waits until after the piano competition, In-ho can get him the full amount. Plus, he points out, he could always run away again, in which case he’d be out both In-ho and the money. Hammer gives him the month, though he’s not intending to honor In-ho’s promise—he’ll keep the money and In-ho.

Hammer’s timid sidekick sneaks out to catch In-ho before he goes, and presses an envelope of money into his hand—it’s his own savings. He says In-ho looks a lot happier here than he was in Busan, and hurries back inside. Awww. He’s a good kid. Won’t someone save him from a gangster’s life too?

In-ho begins practicing in earnest, spending hours in the rehearsal room, telling himself that he’s got one month.

Seol calls her mother on her way home, intending to eat dinner at the noodle shop. But after checking that In-ho’s there, she changes her mind and decides to eat out to avoid running into him. She ends up in a convenience store eating instant noodles, but In-ho sees her anyway and stops by, joining her inside.

Seeing how stiff she is around him, In-ho asks point-blank if he makes her that uncomfortable, and how long she’s going to avoid him.

“It’s true I like you,” In-ho says. “But I’m not asking you to acknowledge it or do anything about it. These are my feelings, so I’ll take care of them.”

Then he lightens the mood, calling her Dog Hair and telling her not to avoid him anymore, which only makes things more awkward. He gives her the packet of kimchi he just bought, and heads off telling himself, “Let’s just be happy for one month.”

He runs into In-ha on their way home, and asks if she has any intention of getting her certificate, or maybe running her own clothing boutique. She asks sarcastically if he’d set one up for her, and he replies yes—though not right away. He admits that he’s planning to leave, and suggests, “Come with me.”

In-ha scoffs, but looks at her intently and says he’s very serious. He asks her to think about it and, for once, calls her noona.

She shrugs him off, though, and tells him to go alone.

Graduation exam results come in, and Seol passes—and, to people’s surprise, so does Sang-chul. He even brags that the test was pretty easy, although Seol found it rather difficult and Da-young mutters that she failed it. Hm, are you not the thief after all? Even more out of character, Sang-chul offers to treat everyone.

In his lesson, the piano teacher notes that In-ho’s left hand is making a lot of mistakes. In-ho attributes it to over-practice, assuring the teacher that he’ll be fine. But as he continues playing, the pain keeps up and even he wonders what’s wrong.

Seol buys Bora a birthday gift, then passes by a local bar where she overhears Sang-chul talking with Da-young outside. Da-young’s still peevish after failing her exam, and Sang-chul insists on helping her—and voila, out comes the stolen notebook, which he swears her to secrecy over.

Furious, Seol marches up and says he should be ashamed of himself. Sang-chul tries to turn it around on her for being a thorn in his side, but she rightly points out that he’s playing the victim when really, he was the one to commit the wrong in the first place.

Angered, Sang-chul raises a hand threateningly to Seol, and she flinches and falls to the ground. In-ho happens by to see it and goes charging in, punching Sang-chul and getting kicked himself. Classmates intervene before the fight can escalate, and Seol hurries him away.

There’s a brief awkward moment between them when In-ho takes her hand to check the damage, but he adopts a cheerful demeanor to cover it. Seol’s the one who stops him and addresses the matter head-on, saying that it’s only right that she tell him honestly.

She’s interrupted by a call from Jung, and In-ho just puts her phone away and says that he knows what she’s about to say. He asks for just one month to return to how they were before, without all the hiding or avoiding, and when she asks what happens after the month is up, he replies that he’ll work through his feelings and get over them.

Jung hears from a classmate that Sang-chul has lined up a final interview for a job with a smaller company. It’s no secret that Sang-chul wanted a job at a large corporation (along with most of Korea) and he’s also applied to Jung’s company, Taerang, but without any expectation of making the final cut.

Jung files away this information, then drops in on a senior executive with whom he’s friendly, asking for a personal favor.

So when Sang-chul checks his email and reacts in shock, it’s not because he failed, as did his classmates—it’s because he’s made it to the next round. The problem is, the interview conflicts with his other interview.

Bora insists on not making a big deal for her birthday, but Seol makes dinner reservations for them, assuring Bora she told Eun-taek to come too. They spot Jung sitting with Sang-chul on campus, which is curious because Seol already informed Jung of the notebook theft and expected a stronger reaction. But there he is, chatting pleasantly with Sang-chul, telling him he has a shot with Taerang.

Jung joins the girls, and Seol invites him to Bora’s birthday dinner. Bora feigns disgust at their lovey-dovey ways and urges them to go on a date instead, promising she’ll be fine with just Eun-taek. Seol advises Bora to have a good talk with Eun-taek tonight, and explains to Jung that the two have been a bit rocky lately.

But Eun-taek runs late with his job and tells the two noonas to have fun together, leaving Bora to drink by herself.

She’s surprised to find Eun-taek waiting in front of her house, having gone to the restaurant late hearing belatedly that she’d been alone all night.

He hands her a box and wishes her a happy birthday, and inside she finds the earrings she’d picked out. She asks about the other noona, and he chides, “Who do you take me for? Why would I give this kind of present to another woman?” He’d only pretended that so he could surprise Bora.

Then Eun-taek looks her in the eye and asks solemnly, “I’ll ask for the last time. Will I really not do?”

Getting tearful, Bora starts in on her usual line about wanting to be friends forever, but he interrupts: “Then are you okay with me dating other women? That’s what it means for us to keep being friends. For me to be with a woman other than you, and for you to be with another man other than me. Are you really okay with that?”

She doesn’t have a ready reply, and he turns away looking disappointed. So Bora blurts, “I don’t want to split up with you! I want you to keep being with me. That’s why I can’t date you, dummy. I don’t like you dating other women. I don’t like you turning into an adult on your own without me. But I don’t like being separated from you even more. I really don’t know what I should do!”

Eun-taek freezes, and then a smile starts to work its way onto his face as he interprets that to mean that she likes him. He takes her hand and promises not to date anyone else, or leave her alone, or even fall ill or die without her permission.

“I’ll promise that we’ll never break up,” he adds earnestly. “So noona, go out with me.”

Bora finally smiles and nods, and he pulls her close in a relieved hug. They stand there amidst the first snow of the season, and over in Jung’s car, Seol lights up at the sight of snow.

She asks about Sang-chul, having expected Jung to be much angrier. She recalls Sang-chul boasting about getting a full-time position at another company, and asks if he means to give that up for a shot at Taerang, which is a much riskier prospect.

Jung acts as though it’s normal for him to be talking shop with Sang-chul, but Seol can’t quite figure out his reaction, until it occurs to her that Jung’s intention may be for Sang-chul to risk his safe job. Not that he betrays that there’s anything else going on.

There is a lot more going on, of course. When Sang-chul goes to Jung for advice, feeling nervous about giving up a sure thing to try for something better, Jung plays on his hopes, saying that he’d have things set for life if Taerang worked out for him.

Jung’s tone is encouraging and he volunteers his interview notes to help Sang-chul prepare, adding that the company is particularly interested in the Chinese market. He offers his help “any time,” but hangs up with a stony look on his face.

On a particularly beastly morning commute, Seol gets jostled around by the crowd and shoved into the door. In-ho works his way to block her from the crowd, giving her some space to breathe.

In-ho invites Seol to his upcoming competition, and seems almost surprised when she agrees. She tells him she likes his playing and tells him to practice hard.

Then she pulls out his scarf and returns it. He says she doesn’t have to, but she replies that she should, “Because it’s not mine.” Aw, they’re not talking about the scarf, are they?

In-ho’s left hand continues to bother him, and he pauses frequently in practice to massage it. Uh-oh. Don’t break, not now!

Sang-chul shows up for his Taerang interview, bewildered when he’s singled out by one of the interviewers (the one Jung’s friendly with) who knows his name. Jung comes by and wishes him good luck, telling him to just do as practiced.

So when Sang-chul is asked about the Chinese market, he comes out strong, citing facts and figures for why Taerang’s expansion into China is necessary. The interviewers’ faces cloud immediately, however, and he is informed that they’ve already taken opposite in the opposite direction, noting that he doesn’t seem to have a very good understanding of their company. Gulp.

Our newly minted couple holds hands on campus, and Bora’s particularly bashful, which Eun-taek teases her about. Seol spots them from a distance, and when she shows up, Bora jumps back and drops hands hurriedly.

Bora tries to act like nothing’s different while Eun-taek starts to explain, but Seol interrupts: “Next time, let’s double-date.” Hee! Now both Seol and Eun-taek tease Bora about her embarrassment, rubbing in all the things she’d said about Eun-taek before that contradict her now.

Sang-chul slinks into school after bombing his interview, and by now word has spread that he stole Jung’s notes, so he’s left to marinate in his misery alone. Seol’s friends have no problem thinking he’s just getting what he deserved, but she’s plagued by misgivings.

In-ha thinks over In-ho’s suggestion to leave together, though she quickly resorts to her usual method of calling Jung’s father. Today he texts that he’s busy, and when she whines to Jung about turning Dad against her, he advises her to think over her past actions to figure out why Dad’s changed.

Seol gets accosted by Sang-chul that night, who insists on buying her a drink. He’s contrite and apologetic, and admits that he does have a sense of shame—it’s just that he pushes it aside and barrels on out of a sense of self-preservation. Sang-chul explains growing up in a small rural town where people hailed him as a golden boy genius, throwing him a village feast when he got accepted to their prestigious university. But once in Seoul, he found himself a tiny fish in a pond full of people smarter and better than him.

He cries that he truly wanted to go to Taerang despite knowing he’s unqualified, and is desperate at the thought of not being able to find a job.

That’s when In-ha walks in with their classmate, the nerdy guy she’d once flirted with, who keeps contacting her now. She insists on sitting at Seol’s table, and when Jung’s name is mentioned, Sang-chul says glumly that he feels bad because Jung went so far out of his way to help him prepare, giving tips and lending his notes.

While Sang-chul rushes to the bathroom to be sick, Nerdy Guy wonders whether Jung is just nice or dumb, and In-ha demands the full story.

Sang-chul suggests calling Jung to thank him for his help, and In-ha regards him with scorn, saying he’s simple-minded to trust that Jung would help him after he’d harassed his girlfriend so much. It’s obvious to her what happened: Jung screwed him over.

“Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, notebook for a notebook!” In-ha declares. “That’s so like Jung.”

Sang-chul protests that Jung has no power to do that, but In-ha reveals that he’s the chaebol heir. The truth slowly dawns on Sang-chul, who fills with outrage.

As the ladies stare at each other over the table, In-ha guesses that Seol already knew this. “Why are you so disturbed over something like this?” In-ha asks. “There’s a whole lot more to learn about Jung. Someone like you can’t handle Yoo Jung.”

Seol trudges to her uncle’s bar for coffee, tired not from schoolwork but because “People’s relationships are more difficult than studying.” She’d thought that accepting that she and Jung were different would make things better, but instead, they’re harder. Uncle chuckles that this is where real relationships begin—you fight, argue, work things out, and become more like each other.

Sitting at the piano in the next room, In-ho overhears the conversation, then starts playing that tune Seol had once requested. (It’s Satie’s “Je te veux,” or “I want you.”) He’d once messed up in the middle, but today plays readily.

The next day, Sang-chul barges into the Taerang office screaming Jung’s name, accusing him of sabotaging him. Jung tries to leave with him quietly, but Sang-chul keeps bellowing, and worse yet, he outs Jung as the chairman’s son. Sang-chul is quickly escorted away, but the damage is done, and the employees begin murmuring.

Sang-chul is kicked out of the building, and that’s when Jung grabs him, shoving him against the wall, outraged that he’d dare come here and make such a scene. He reminds Sang-chul that he’d been the one to decide to proceed with Taerang, and that it was his fault for not preparing properly. Half-angry, half-unnerved, Sang-chul asks why Jung is doing this—is it just because of that measly notebook?

Jung takes issue with that, saying Sang-chul considers his things precious and everyone else’s things as trifling: “Shouldn’t you feel it yourself—what it feels like to lose a measly job opportunity?”

Jung leaves him spooked, and heads back toward the building… where he comes face to face with Seol. She’s here after having no luck trying to reach him, and he freezes to see her. Are they going to have another fight?

But to his surprise, Seol simply steps forward and wraps her arms around his waist.

“Don’t say anything,” she says. “I know what happened, and why it happened. And I also know how you must be feeling now. So don’t feel uneasy. I won’t run away.”

She holds him close. He wraps his arms around her and holds her closer.

 
COMMENTS

I’m super relieved that this situation resolved differently than it looked like it might, not just because I want Jung and Seol to be happy, but because this pattern is starting to feel too familiar. I like that their differences aren’t easily fixed with one argument, as though having one meaningful conversation could be the magic fix to a major relationship obstacle or a lifelong personality trait. And I also like that the drama has been good about differentiating each time Seol and Jung have this conflict so that each situation has its own nuances.

It’s just, at a point you get a little fatigued with the same issue cropping up, and the characters reverting to their old ways. I certainly understand that in real life this is what we do, and that real people are much less likely to change their ways for good within the time spanned in sixteen episodes. But it was a major, major relief for me that Seol took a different approach today, and addressed the underlying fear first—that she would leave Jung over it—and offered comfort. I’m sure she’ll talk it out with him and not just let it go at this, but it was lovely to see the understanding come first.

It’s part of the reason I love Seol so much, both as a character and as a person. It’s admirable that she doesn’t just decide on a truth and stick to it—she’s open to self-examination, and very attuned to the need to adapt and re-evaluate her thoughts as necessary. It’s that trait that has gotten her walked over in the past, but we’ve also seen her figuring out a balance point between being a good person and standing up for herself, so I don’t worry that she’ll relapse.

I like that we can credit Jung for a lot of that growth, both in challenging her to acknowledge this trait in herself and in showing her a way to address it. If you look at Cheese one way, it can almost seem one-sided, in that Seol is teaching Jung things and helping him heal his scars—she gives and he receives. But I don’t think that’s quite right, and when you look at it another way, you can see them more as two opposites—they’re the same type of person in the way they are used to being taken for granted, but they react to those scenarios in very opposite ways. And over the course of their relationship, they’re slowly finding their way toward each other—somewhere between them is a healthier middle ground. It’s a nice thought to consider that their emotional growth and movement coincides with the movement of their hearts toward each other. Maybe that’s not even coincidence.

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I really don't think Jung is good for Seol in the long run. He may care for her but his sociopathic tendencies would harm her in the long run. I was just thinking how he could aggravate someone to the point that that person would try to hurt Seol. Lo and behold, the preview for next week showed us exactly that with In Ha and the car... OMG.

Even without that though, Jung is manipulative and full of thoughts of revenge. The drama may paint him as sympathetic with Seol wanting to be there for him, but in real life it doesn't happen that way. This is how women get in domestic violent relationships, by putting up with abusive behavior. He's kind to Seol now but what if she ever stood up to him or outright disagreed with him or made him angry? How would he treat her then? Or what if she dumped him? Or if he thought she cheated on him? Would he try to harm her? Regardless of how much he cares for Seol, the way he deals with bad situations is not right or healthy.

I know the majority of viewers here seem to be upset with the amount of screen time In Ho has and the lack of time Jung has. That actually happens in the webtoon too because once Jung starts his internship, he's basically really busy and it's hard for him and Seol to meet up. That's a reality of life and relationships that the creator of the series didn't skimp on that detail. There are actually a lot of scenes about In Ho. In the webtoon, In Ho doesn't show up for a good twenty chapters of the first season so that's when we get a big intro to Jung. Then later, when Jung is at his internship, we get to see more flashbacks and more about In Ho. I realize it seems unbalanced in the drama because they introduced In Ho early on in the series rather than later.

I'll admit that I'm an In Ho shipper. But just like the actress who plays Seol said, if I had to choose one male lead, I would choose Eun Taek because he's the most healthy and less complicated one. He might not be interesting to watch in a drama but he'd definitely be the one who would make the girl he likes most happy. Both Jung and In Ho have too many needs and a lot of baggage... haha I know I'll get a lot of hate comments for this. Don't get me wrong, I love the show, enjoy all the characters and LOVE In Ho but if we're talking about real life, that's what I would want for Seol. But obviously Eun Taek and Bora are perfect for each other! <3 So I'd rather Seol be with In Ho since he is a bit more healthy mentally than Jung. And it's much better to be with someone who wears their heart on their sleeve than someone who buries it.

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@Michelle, I agree completely with how you prioritized the male leads (although I’m also an In Ho shipper) and your thoughts about Jung. I was stunned when Seol reassured him after witnessing his encounter with Sang Chul and knowing what Jung did to him. Jung doesn’t need acceptance ~ he’s spent years scheming to destroy people with no apparent consequences to himself. He needs someone who loves him enough to confront him with the truth that his behavior is sick. Seol’s reassurance is just a way to hang onto him and it's weak. She isn't loving him, she's enabling him.

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i disagree.. Jung simply give a dose of medicine to people who deserves it. to people who ere not innocent. Sang Chul deserves what Jung did to him. it 's overdue, he is bound to get retribution for all the wrong hings he did. Sang Chul is a selfish, lazy and a bully.. don't get it wrong. His been harassing his juniors for a long time and never felt guilt of what he did, like the D grade Seol got after their first group assignment and having seol ended blamed by their teacher as distrusting to her group members when when in fact the members were the ones who took it for granted. Just as Yoo jung said to sang chul in the end about the notes that he referred as measly.."so because it's not yours and it's others property its not precious to snatch it away from them. Now you feel what's its like to be snatch with a measly job".
Yoo Jung simply give it back to those who deserved it.

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And I probably sound like a broken record but don't forget that Sang Chul should not even be graduating from college and interviewing for jobs at all.

The show makes it clear that he wouldn't have passed without having stolen Jung's hardwork and even hurt Jung's loved one, Seol emotionally and physically in the process of said theft.

To me, that's a boundary issue. Jung warned Sang Chul lots of times and he continued doing this crap, ignoring what Jung and Seol said, bullying and blustering. Jung is not being randomly vicious.

Somebody goes and sets traps anywhere, that's weird... which is why there are laws against that. Someone sets a trap guarding his property and his family from thieves...after the thief has repeatedly stolen and hurt, and there's been warnings posted...that's a different matter.

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well it's just not yoo jung's place to distribute retribution - who is he to judge and punish

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@Petra and @crystal -- you both make valid points. Honestly, I don't we're dealing with a case here where either side is in the right. Jung shouldn't be manipulating and scheming to get revenge on people who mistreat Seol, especially since she's explicitly told him that she doesn't want him doing that. She's made it very clear that this isn't something she wants in their relationship, and for him to go back to his old ways when she's making an effort to be more open with him is frustrating.

At the same time, Sang Chul is hardly an innocent victim here, and he really, really shouldn't have a job if he is going to be the same kind of employee as he would be a student. I feel like in a less layered drama, I would be all for Jung bringing him down, but this is a layered drama where we actually care about our leads being/becoming decent people.

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His. He has a right to self-defense and defense of his home and family when he is besieged. That's how vigilantes are born. That's why most of us cheer for Batman because we know Gotham City is not a place where there are reasonable people and reasonable villains and a decent justice system. Jung doesn't trust the authorities because his father has shown no sense of justice toward him and going to school or police authorities will be worse for himself, his lved ones AND the perpetrators involved. Are we going to argue that any of these perps were reasonable? If he took this to the authorities, Sang Chul would probably not be graduating and be blacklisted from the shame of being a known cheat. This was hardly the worst thing he could do. We are looking at an extreme situation in an exaggerated
Microverse. Gotham City may resemble our world but it's really not and neither is Seol's world.

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I actually thought Seol gave tacit agreement to Jung's ways for certain situations in the talk on the gazebo (by the lake ) after the Minsoo incident, but yes, that's an issue which bothers me...that he didn't talk about it before with her. They should have come up with a solution together. That's what couples do. She would have tempered his plan with some mercy. She gave him an opportunity to and he didn't. But ppl do not change coping mechanisms of over 20 yrs overnight and I am still hoping he will change after she confronts him. Because her not confronting him worried me if it bothered her but commenters and javabeans have said she will when the story picks up again.

I know ppl have concerns that he is abusive and dangerous for her. I'd like to say being an anti-hero and having your enemies hurt your gf is different from hurting her yourself. He is not indiscriminately vengeful. If Seol hurts him, he would do what he has before, shut down and shut her out. I suppose we have argued this ad infinitum so you can read other ppl's comments on that.

The way he hurts her now is by ignoring her wishes to be in on the plan or hear of it first. He's been changing though...more open and honest than before so we can hope he will continue his evolution. The hope is not that Seol will change him but that he will realize the truth (that his actions ripple out) and change himself.

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I so bloody agree with you. Some feel Jung has an attitude problem, but if he has indeed, then I would like all men to have that problem. Why? Because it's very rare to find people these days who stand up for what is right and let those people who always take advantage of their fellows realize how wrong they are. I love that our main lead has this VIGILANTE streak and that makes him a very interesting character.

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The idea that counseling and/or a girl can change a sociopath is dangerous. Time & time again Jung has shown himself to be manipulative and vengeful. Woman standing by a man like that isnt love. Its sick.

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1. We don't actually know that he is a Sociopath
2. Therapy can help a Sociopath

Not saying that Seol should be with Jung. Because I agree that a woman cannot "save" a man. He needs to change himself. And yes, women should run from abusive relationships. I think most people agree on that.

Where a lot of people are diverging is in the definition of whether Jung is abusive or not.

I'm not here to argue whether he is or not because I think the arguments have been made ad nauseum.

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I dunno about anyone else, but you aren't getting any hate from me because that's such an on-point comment. I just don't see how Jung can be healthy for Seol in the long run either. It makes me shudder thinking of what will happen to her - or rather what he'd do to her - if she ever decides to break up with him. It certainly won't be pretty and as much as I believe in true lurve and all that jazz, sometimes practicality is #1 priority.

I'd never date a guy like Jung. In fact, I wouldn't even be friends with him. But I'm also not Seol. And while I see why she likes him, I can think of a hundred reasons why she shouldn't be with him. His sociopathic tendencies aren't easily curable and while some likes the idea of being the one to change someone for the good, I'd rather save myself the threat of being with a possible psycho and just like life normally.

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It makes me sad and mad that Seol accepts Jung like this. If this is true, they deserve each other and it makes me sadder for potential children to be raised around such dishonesty.
I'll take InHo any day...deeply layered, vulnerable, sensitive, fighting with the truth of raw emotions and honest fists rather than slippery manipulation and mind games.

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Your comment actually explains how much overload of inho we have and not enough of jung(its just circles of him doing wrong without knowing the actual reason) where we cannot understand soel's decision which makes her love blind right now... that's where the show missed its point... you have 16 episodes and measly use one or two to develop your main character(even in ep 14 jung didn't take one step of improvement it was from soel side).. that's so wrong...

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@Cheese in trap I think the fact that he's still playing his little games with people for petty reasons says enough about Jung. It's been fourteen episodes, and he hasn't changed in the least. He doesn't even see his manipulative ways as being WRONG.

Yes, he heard his dad, Inho, and Inha talking about the fact that they keep tabs on him. So he goes and frames his best friend, watches as others ruin his chances of a shot at his dreams, and TURNS A BLIND EYE? Sorry, let me know the next time you overhear your best friend saying something you don't like about you and you retaliate by sabotaging their entire life.

I didn't even need to see as much of Inho as the drama offered to know that his character growth far outpaced Jung's; he went from the immature, ungrateful brat in high school - who took everything (especially his talent) for granted and belittled those who had to strive to achieve what he could naturally - to the guy who now works hard to rekindle his dreams, find work - have you ever gone job hunting? It really, really sucks - support his batshit and out-of-control money-squandering sister with a set of her own mental issues, and study for his GED.

On the other hand, Jung...is the same. Exactly the same. He really only sees what others have done to him, not what he's done to others.

A boyfriend can't just be someone you snuggle and share swoon-worthy moments with. A relationship can go from giddy and full of sweetness to toxic in just a matter of moments, and behavior like Jung's is what destroys relationships. Not just between girlfriend and boyfriend, but with friends and family as well.

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That comment sounded super annoyed. I'm not annoyed at you. I'm annoyed at the show lol I was such a hardcore Inho fan (tbh not even as a bf for Seol, but just as a person, I supported him a lot more,) but even I'm getting a bit tired of it all.

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Yeah, I think that's why so many are mad at the show.

I think there's been SOME changes in Jung but not enough for him to be OTP which doesn't make the female lead a ditz, imo.

Instead of doing that, they focused on other things.

As it stands now, Inho is OTP (if you vote the male with the most character development and change) or someone dies.

I guess we shall see in ep 15, 16.

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+ 1000 likes.

I personally can't stand underhandedness.

Let's have everything in the open, shall we?

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Yes, right but why is Jung getting all the blame again but this is what the show does to the audience, it has several loons but the one loon that doesn't want to get stepped on gets all the blame.The loon should be comforted too then reprimanded.

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I'll be very disappointed at Seol if she doesn't spend beginning of ep15 talking to Jung about his action. I think she will. I actually think her hugging him to assure him that she's willing to talk and listen instead of running away again is a healthy thing at this point of their relationship. Jung has issue, yes, but then if she loves him they'll need to deal with those issues together. Go for therapy together if they need to. Running away again is definitely not the solution.

I like how In Ho has grown so much since his school days of being a jerk, but his victim complex is still too strong. Trust me, it's tiring to live with ppl with victim mentality, so I'll never go out with someone like him in real life.

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When you say that In-ho's victim complex is too strong, what are you talking about? In case my tone doesn't come across (curse you internet!), I'm asking in a spirit of genuine inquiry.

I really don't see him acting like a victim at all. In fact, he's being so NOT-a-victim that he won't even let the people he loves in on the fact that he's being hounded by gangsters. He has never taken handouts from Jung's family after he left. His beef with Jung is real (even if the drama ends up showing us that Jung didn't orchestrate his beating, In-ho certainly thinks he did, and we haven't seen anything so far to prove that Jung didn't), but even when he confronts Jung about this, he's more asking for an explanation or an apology.

Is In-ho dramatic and prone to verbal outbursts? Heck yeah. But I really don't see him playing the victim, other than to blame Jung for orchestrating his ambush and pushing him out of the family. And the thing is, Jung DID do those things, so to believe that is not to be a "victim". It would be like if someone stole my purse and then I told my friends about it. I'm not "playing the victim" if someone hurt me and I talk about it.

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This is a different drama from all the other rom-com and I agreed with you SY. A relationship is not just about the good, its taking the good together with the bad as in real life. Jung just needs a girl strong enough to love him for who he is and holds him accountable since he has been starved of that love, first from his parents. Running away is never the answer and just leave the fight to another day, as is the case of In-Ho. He needs to get his act together and his life in place first before he can embark on any relationship. As of now, he cannot even take care of himself, let alone love a girl properly, heart on his sleeves or not. Take responsible for his own life for once, instead of blaming Jung for all that has happenned to him and playing the victim part so well.

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Ok, so,
I thought about what you said, and then I was reminded of a parenting tip I read once - that it is important to reaffirm physical affection after scolding a child, so as to show them that it was their behaviour that was rejected, and not the child themself.

I think it bothered me because most people here are rushing to conclusions about Seol hugging Jung - that this automatically means she's not going to try and make him see his errors. And yet I saw it simply as reassuring him that she's not rejecting him even in light of his major downfalls (and that's just Seol - she works hard no matter what she's doing).
After all the drama we've been through, he KNOWS that she doesn't approve of his boogiedude-attitude. He still continued DOING that, but it became obvious that he was afraid of what she'd do or say if she found out.

Therefore, I have to say I respectfully disagree.
I think that, in that moment, she did what she needed to.

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quote:G.J.
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Ok, so,
I thought about what you said, and then I was reminded of a parenting tip I read once – that it is important to reaffirm physical affection after scolding a child, so as to show them that it was their behaviour that was rejected, and not the child themself.

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This! Very much this!
Due to his father's heavy-handed repression, Jung's emotional age can be seen in all of his actions. He needs a Seol (soul) who can see into his soul and she needs his support. They are a match.

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Amen, for this comment. We know she didn't agree with his action, she simply stated that she understands his reason. Also in the preview, we see that Seol is trying to teach him to be nicer to other people. She just explains it nicely to get him to understand. But yeah Jung needs professional help. At least he knows he's shady, first step is to acknowledge that he has a problem right? lol But yeah the preview....X.X
Seol better not get cancer from the car accident lol CITT is better than that

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Thank you for looking at the bigger picture and seeing what was really happening. Not just jumping to conclusions that Seol's was enabling Jung. If you noticed his reaction... he had tears. Tears, everyone!! That right there shows that he is changing. Maybe not changing fast enough for some people.

In earlier times when Seol would point out his wrongdoings he had no reaction. He just didn't understand what he was doing wrong. This time, he knew that Seol wouldn't agree. Therefore he was afraid to lose her. He finally has someone who likes him for him. Someone who doesn't want to be with him for his money or status. She just simply gives him love. That right there is enough to change someone. Even if it slowly and overtime.

I would like to put the question out there... Have you never reassured someone even though you know what they did was wrong?

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I agree with you G.J 100%.... But what Jung did today seems way overboard... I was always pro-jung and made excuses for him always... but this was too much of a retaliation... I cant digest it at all...but still not on In Ho ship or whatever that is... He had his part in making jung and In Ha like this... and I cant take that in too.. However cute he acts now though...

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This is spot on, I think.

Seol assuring Jung she won't abandon him for his actions does not mean she approves of what he did. Also, I think she put a lot of thought into how she should respond. It seems some people interpreted the hug to mean she ignored her concerns and tacitly accepted everything he did out of some dysfunctional need to be with him. I'm glad you and others do not see it that way.

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Interesting observation. I think because the story stops right there but someone else pointed out to me that the previews for next week has her confronting him on that manipulative behavior so I can see your interpretation has legitimacy.

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Also if you look at the early episodes she is way more comfortable and normal with In Ho she seems to have to tread around Jung. Jung has never had my vote and whether he caused the fight or not if you watch the flashback he arrives just before In ho’s hand gets smashed up ( which was heartbreaking to watch) if he had simple stepped in to help his friend this would’ve never happened.Team In ho all the way :))

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Interesting. It's fiction. Maybe that's why people are rooting for Robin Hood, Hong Gil Dong, City Hunter, and Healer who do justice their way.

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I agree. If you really want a perfect guy reality-wise. It's Kwon Eun Taek without a doubt.

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I am not going to debate if Jung is good enough or deserving of Seol.

My thing is, Inho really?

-Inho who lacks stability in life. Education? Work? (I'm not classist but we can't act like these things don't matter. He had struggled to find work before Seol's parents hired him)

-Inho is indebted to a bunch of gangsters who are after him and everything he cares about unless he pays up

-Inho who has a history of violence and is quick to display it numerous times around Seol

-Inho who is INHA's younger brother (you know the one that pushes Seol into the street in the preview). The same Inha who was quick to get violent on whom she though was Seol. Is violent on the real Seol as well as manipulative and verbally abusive.

The Inha that even Inho warned Seol against and said if he should ever see her she should run. We know Inha is insecure about both Jung and Inho being taken from her by Seol/being replaced in the OT3. How would Inho protect Seol from endangerment from Inha's hands?

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It's interesting because I think that as much as Inha is crazy she seems to be the character that understands Jung best and is the only one that can level with him. She immediately picked up on the fact that Jung was unhappy with the adoption proposal and she unraveled Jung's plot against Sang-chul fairly quickly from a few details.

She was able to sell information on Young-gun to get her credit card back and more importantly she led to Sang-chul publicly exposing Jung as the CEO's son. This has been one of the only times in the show where Jung's scheming has had any direct blowback.

I don't think Inha is the same as Jung as she claims, but they have the same sort of amorality and cynical world view.

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I disagree when you say In Ha can level with Jung. She will bring the worst in Jung, when Seol brings the best.
It doesn't matter who is better from Seol. It matters who is the one she loves and want to be around with, and love, and protect, and be protected by.
Jung also brings the best in Seol, in many different ways.
To me is Jung all the way.

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You're right. She's somewhat on the same frequency as him. They're both extremes of different ends. But at least you can see how nuts In Ha is whilst Jung is just throwing creepy smiles oops.

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I love In Ho's character growth, and can easily see him continuing to grow and eventually becoming someone dependable and reliable. But right now? No. Not life partner material.

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Well, I think most of In Ho lovers do not look forward to him and Seol being together. She already has a boyfriend and they have been clear with each other.
I am with you in that I love to watch In Ho growing and becoming stronger and more mature. For me, it is certainly the most enjoyable part of Cheese, and I watch every episode with my heart on my mouth, wishing that he will overcome all these difficulties and finally escape that dangerous and lonely life that he was leading before meeting Seol.
Go In Ho, I'm cheering for you here!! :D

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I agree with your statement. I do like In-Ho's character too but he does has his violent side. And I have a feeling In-Ha has something to do with her brother's injured hand. Cos he laughed at her talentless drawing of Jung when they were in high school. Its her revenge. I might be wrong. Jung had been a quiet victim and this manifested in his current character. I love Seol's character to bits!!! :-)

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I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking In Ha has something to do with the hand incident!!

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And Jung doesn't have a violent side? The way he beat the crap out of the stalker while leaving Seol to sit on the road by herself was a classic example. He doesn't need to use violence most of the time because he is a master manipulator and can do a lot of damage without dirtying his hands. He has had every advantage in life, while In Ho's situation is quite different. I also find it disturbing that the things he does, while not necessarily liked by Seol, are accepted by her. I agree with @Michelle. If it were any of my daughters, I would tell them to stay clear. I don't believe that love conquers all, it doesn't really change basic personality types, and no matter how much growth he seems to be having (which to me is minimal) I would fear for the way he would handle any difficulties that would surely arise in the future.

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Whoa there! He didn't know Seol was sitting by herself on the side of the road. He left her safely in her apt with friends.

And i think that Inho statement was just saying that Inho can be violent, not that Jung can't.

I also do not think love conquers all (not romantic love anyway) but ppl seem to read far more into Jung than is there.

I think the story has ppl like Younggon, Inha, even Inho on purpose. We compare and contrast.

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? You may have something there about Inha being the one who's responsible for Inho hand being injured.

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You've made some insightful points about Inho. Honestly I hadn't thought about it that way. At this point I hope there is no romance at the end. I wouldn't recommend either of the guys to any of my friends. P

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Not to be Asian-typical but your first reason is enough for me lol i feel like In Ha, I NEED MONEY!!

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Lol...Your comment have me in splits!! So true for all your points! What Inho does is bring out our maternal instincts to shelter him and love him. To kiss his boo boo's and nurture him back to life, but in a relationship? He's not ready, he has to grow.

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This is literally EVERYTHING I've been wanting to say about this drama. I Kakao my friend after every single episode to say just about the same thing. And all the comments on YouTube are from oppa-obsessed fifteen-year-old girls who have just fallen for the main lead who can make them swoon. Then they hate on Inho, which I will absolutely NOT condone.

I was totally Team Jung when I began watching the drama and reading the webtoon bc the version I'm reading hasn't gotten very far, and Jung hasn't been painted like a manipulative sociopath quite yet, but in the drama...I really don't like the direction the relationship is taking. Jung hasn't changed his ways in the least, and the fact that Seol is just...accepting that doesn't sit well with me. This relationship isn't promising in the least. #sorrynotsorry

That doesn't even mean I want Seol to end up with Inho (bc girl if you don't want him, I'll take him.) I just don't want her to end up with Jung. But then again, we haven't gotten the full story behind WHY he's like that quite yet and we're still a ways from the end of the drama, so I feel like I'm also not being very fair to him.

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That's why the Jung fans who aren't 15 yr old girls aren't happy.

No idea why Seol and Jung are OTP at this point.

Are we supposed to just swallow that? But wasn't Seol smart at some point? I think she was, so what happened to smart Seol? Idk. I guess I'm still waiting for a confrontation and change/therapy or for him to get worse or...character development?

I think Inho's piano got more development (didn't somebody change its battery or give it a plug? :p) yeah, I'm exaggerating but no Inho hate from me.

I think the show is best viewed from the perspective that all the players are damaged....
We've seen Inho's growth and I applaud it but I'd also like to see more Seol and Jung growth (even some redemption for crazy eyes Inha).

I'd quit now but just 2 eps left. Hoping for the best because I will be upset if Jung is left the way he is. The boy needs love but he also needs help. I honestly think he is hanging off a cliff not knowing what else to do. If Seol loves him but doesn't ask him to change more, I'm afraid they're falling down that cliff together. I expected better. A stronger, smarter heroine.

Sigh. Maybe they saved it until the end.

*Tired

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i think CITT will show us that Jung will change for the better over time, same thing to Seol.

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So you...look up comments of fangirls...to insult their age and who they prefer? And won't CONDONE any hate towards who you fangirl? Really?

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Not 15 either, hey?

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Seems to me like OP looks down on Jung fans who form their biases just based on who's better-looking or which actor they like better. If you're not fifteen and immature, whyre you offended?

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Also, you don't really need to go out of your way to SEARCH for comments to read a couple on YouTube especially if it's related to the video you were intending to watch in the first place.

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@Petra and Aimee I'm def not 15 (probably would've loved SKJ's face so much at that age that I would be rooting for him on looks alone lol), I can be immature, but I'm not offended.

I just think it's hilarious anyone looks at YT comments for insightful discussion and thought the condoning comment was a lil much. But seriously, you wanna find enraging comments, YT is the place to go, so...I choose to not read those comments.

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You'd be surprised; sometimes, I find some great people who are open to discussion in YouTube comments. But you're right; I'm not sure exactly what I was expecting when I read the comments for a video clip from a K-drama -_-

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Also, bc sarcasm and joking tone isn't conveyed well through text, I can see why that part of my comment came across as condescending. It was a joke.

And please don't associate the word "fangirl" with me unless we're talking about BIGBANG. Then I will full-on NERD OUT over them.

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I kind of love you right now ... its been years since someone mistook me for a 15 years old ... i am practically skipping with happiness ... yipee!!!!

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I think that Jung's relationship with Seol may be therapeutic. He is learning to trust and to express himself. He is still working on the control issues. Seol recognizes that Jung needs to feel loved and understood before confronting him with larger issues.
Still...Seol needs a boyfriend, not a patient.

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The same way Seol is healing Jung, he is doing the same for her.

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I can see the therapeutic part, and half of what I loved so much about this drama was the fact that it's about a couple who learns to communicate and form trust through learning and accepting each other's differences. But it just infuriates me to see that Seol is the one doing any growing while Jung isn't changing at all. Hopefully the last two episodes will explain things a bit better and Jung will win my favor.

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Jung is changing but perhaps not fast enough and noticeably enough (for some of us).

It's been frustrating that we can't see into his head.

Jung, like Inho, reverted to his modus operandi when pushed (Sang Chul hurting Seol). Inho used fists and Jung used brain.

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I'm all for brains over brawn. The problem I have with Jung is that he uses ONLY brain, not brains AND conscience.

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True that. And I do wish he would do that more but it's hopeful that he does have a moral compass (he doesn't just hit anyone) and if he learns some compassion, I think he can use his brains and conscience. At least not go to manipulation and entrapment as a knee-jerk reaction.

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It doesn't matter who is the one we want with Seol: she loves Jung and that's it. Besides - Jung haters - people can change over time, Jung just never had anyone to teach him better.

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Yes to all of this! Thanks for both your comments, I feel the same way

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You know at times i don't think there is an alternative to how jung deals with things

- be fist happy ? and beat up ppl like inho does at every instance ?

- or let things slide .. just let things go. How many warnings did SC get ?

Say the TA, would jung have been better if he reported his stealing to the police or made a fuss in front of everyone when he caught him ? That would have destroyed the Ta's career ...

What abt the stalker ? Did inho/ ET beating him up make a difference ? I don't know abt korean society but in my country if a girl goes to the police for such things, 9 out of 10 times they would blame her for encouraging him and hush the things up. And the social backlash SHE would get would destroy her marriage prospects. Its really sad but its true, at least in my society

..... plus jung is the heir to a business group. he is not going to survive without underhandedness/ manipulation.

I know i sound like a jung apologist but i honestly don't see better alternatives in SOME of the situations. I guess his problem is that he does not know when to stop. And he takes everything as a personal slight - which would mean he is actually very insecure rather than a sociopath

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The thing that gets me, if he were to settle things the old fashioned way with no manipulations and all fists, you know he'd be getting backlash for being violent and therefore, an abusive threat to Seol.

Gonna say bc you have to around here: I know what Jung did was wrong. This is one time I honestly didn't care, but I want Seol to call him out and him to understand why this wasn't okay.

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nah! ... jung should learn from inho who fights first and talks later ... does anyone call him violent or abusive threat to seol ? no ... he is a sincere person who wears his heart on his sleeve ... so you have to love him for that

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How InHo hasn't already been booked for multiple assault charges, I'll never know. He literally cannot have a conversation without punching, kicking, shirt grabbing, or bastard this bastard that.

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He was so sincere he's asking a month to sort his feeling and wont let Seol reject him outright. Heck, he wont even let Seol take Jung's call. Yup. Jung is the possessive ones ofc

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I actually admire Inho's response though. He's saying I know you don't like me, my feelings for you are my problem not yours and I will sort them out. He's not going down the path of typical second lead by actively pursuing her and trying to sabotage her relationship with Jung.

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No, I don't gotta love In-Ho for wearing his heart on his sleeve. You can, I'm not stopping you or anyone else. But I don't find that trait all that attractive, especially not as in this drama, it leads to jumping in fist, feet and mouth first without thinking, spoiling set ups etc.

I'm not that attracted to sincerity alone - someone could sincerely get in the way or being a meddling annoyance.

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@Ren - Sorry but Inho saying those words while at the same time forcing Seol to accept the situation and just be cool with things was just really off putting. You surprise her with a hug then tell her you like her (given that she has a boyfriend), surely you don't expect her to just be chill. She is obviously uncomfortable, leave her to sort out her feelings.

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For me a series of calculated actions to ruin someone's life is far scarier than responding with fists. Jung clearly doesn't care about the consequences of his actions. He destroyed Sang-chul's best prospects at securing a job, forced Seol's neighbour back into this closet by threatening him to move back home with his family. He's not an eye for an eye, every time he feels wronged he responds by breaking people's lives.

I think I must be watching a different drama from everyone else, because I find Jung I very difficult character to root for.

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For me all these people are adults who made these decisons themselves. He hands you the rope doesn't mean you must hang yourself

San Chul chose to forfeit the smaller company because Taerang was a bigger better company. He was also the one who chose to come to the interview unprepared. Had he taken time to do his own homework and thoroughly prepare for the interview by doing a little research on the company or heck if he had ever paid attention in his business classes he could have answered some of those questions himself.

San Chul was always coasting through life on the work of others (I detest how he stole those notes like he was entitled to them then loathed him for getting indulgent and violent with Seol) and this time his laziness coast him big.

I won't defend making the guy go home because I hated Jung for that. At the same time dude is an adult and could have simply said no to Jung and figured out what came after. He could have lied and said yes but moved in with his boyfriend or something. He could have just said "fuck you Yoo Jung. No"

Jung does to those who have done to him. Don't call for him unless he asks for you. Perhaps if these people (sans the moving home one which was wrong) had displayed the empathy we asked Jung to display on them onto Jung and others, they never would have done what they did in the first place. They too should have thought of the other party and the potential consequences of their actions before acting out. They do things because they believe they won't get caught and well they get caught.

I don't agree with everything Jung does. However those he does unto are not innocent victims neither. I guess I don't mind a little eye for an eye sometimes.

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Okay but why would I feel for SC? I don't care about him! He's been a pain since episode one to almost every character. He's been told time and time again to learn and do better. He's not going to get a good job bc he's lazy and doesn't want to put effort into anything. So nope, no sympathy from me. Why does this guy even think he'll survive in a business setting is the question lol.

Seol's neighbor was a drunk going nowhere and his bf tried to steal from a student's (Jung's) wallet Bc of the laziness. So...yeah sorry I'm not feeling for these characters when they do nothing for themselves. Sorry? This is fiction, I don't have to have compassion for any character and I can root for who I want lol.

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There's only been one instance in the drama whereby someone actually said no to Jung's trap and is trying to do things their way. Funnily enough, In ho is trying his hardest not take Yoo Jung's money but to come up with the 10 million won on his own.

I respect that.

I also strongly suspect he is going to pay the gangster and get out of Seol's life for good which was why he asked Seol for the time of one month with no awkwardness between them. He'll be doing what Jung wants which is pay off the debt and leave Seol's life for good, but it will be on In ho's own terms. Not Jung's.

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I think Jung is doing the small company a huge favor by having SC missed his interview with them. Someone like SC will be a disaster for any company at all, unless he changes (which he hasn't since day one).
If I were in the same situation as Jung, I would never be so manipulative and screw him over with a Taerang interview (but I'm not a chaebol heir either). But I will definitely tell the small company to not hire SC if they ever call me for a reference.

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You might say that Jung doesn't have any restrains and doesn't know the consenquences of his actions, but I disagree. He is well aware of what his actions will cause and is actually restraining himself. If he wanted he could make things much worse. Sang-chul blew the oportunity of getting the job himself. Jung gave him the gun, but it was Sang-chul who pulled the trigger.

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I'm a big jung supporter and i also wish he would have tamed his response to SC a bit. I totally think SC got what he deserved, but Jung def manipulated the situation a lot more than he typically does. Of course if SC did his part in researching the position (like MOST people would do), he would have never gotten himself in this mess. I do hope that they show Seol talking with Jung abotu this and not just overlooking it (which they allude to in the preview). But this time approaching him in a manner that is understanding and empathetic to where Jung is coming from.

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I cant reply to your comment on my comment (...what..??)

I'll prefer if he just sort his feeling quietly tho. No need to make any confession and making things even more awkward. And why is he asking for a month? They way I see it, there is no way they can return to their easy camaraderie in a month. Unless of course he is hoping that he can sway Seol through his puppy wounded eyes that he is better as a boyfriend, but I doubt BIH will go that low. I sure hope not.

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I think Sang Chul was well on his own way in ruining his own life. I'm not sure why this Korean college environment lets run loose someone like him who embezzles, bullies, verbally abuses, victim-blames, harasses, cheats, takes advantage, is lazy and refuses to do any of his own work. He only got the interview because he passed the exam, having stolen Jung's notes.

Even if he got the job, there's no change coming in a hurry - I hate to break it to you. He'd be a horrid workmate, bullying others to do his work, being sexist and a waste of space. He'd be great for the story of Misaeng though.

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I liked what Javabeans said about Seol doing the right thing here. First, before anything, to assure Jung she won't run away. Setting herself up to work with Jung on his revenge/manipulation issues rather than against him. And then, as JB says, and you and I agree, she will likely call him on it.

This is, in fact, the only way she can help him and maintain the relationship. Faced with her situation, most of us would have a fight or flee response. But fleeing doesn't help, and she doesn't want to, while fighting would only touch on Jung's weirdness again and back him into a corner. Neither works. Seol needs to find that middle ground when he acts like this and she really did the right thing here. I'm looking forward to seeing how she deals with the next step. Calling him on it. Because it wasn't right, and we got that full scene with Sang Chul apologizing to show that it wasn't right.

I'm not sorry at all that Sang Chul got his comeuppance. I don't even think it's overkill when you consider his laziness cost Seol her scholarship - her future - so potentially losing his future isn't an issue to me in an eye for eye context.

What I'm sorry to see is Jung sinking so low with that manipulation and deception. It might work well for cut-throat business but leave it out of personal relationships. I hope Seol can help him become a human being because that sneakiness had no honour, grace or morality behind it, just the dark side of human behaviour.

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Yasss! I agree. However I love Jung's dark side.?

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First I'll accept I'm jung's hard core fan since ep 1..
A different main lead with flaws (aginst perfect typical main lead ) finds love and fights his way to change... all I see is piano when I recall CITT..

Jung lets inho first to find his way in life & inho took almost 6 episodes (9-14) he is such a slow learn and thick headed lol and since Jung is a genius and hard work he'll find his way in two episodes hahaha ...*sad face*

CITT YOU CHEATED ON ME IF I KNEW INHO WAS MAIN I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD MY HOPE SUCH HIGH FOR YOU... I'm not like you so I'll finish..
CITT you traitor....

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But what interestingly weird is... If you read the character list of the webtoon, Inho was stated first, then Seol, and Jung. Even though he was introduced later.

My friend only read few of the webtoon, and she haven't watched the show. And when I finally told her the drama's summary (it was when we got only half of the drama), she asked, "Wait, Seol with Jung? Isn't Inho the main lead? I thought he was the lead."

I know Seol will be with Jung and whatsoever, but the main lead isn't always the one who got the girl. It's a win-win. One got screen time, and one got the girl, heh.

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I don't think there are only two options (first happy or let things slide). Honestly, the biggest problem with Jung isn't his actual actions but with his attitude of completely crushing someone.

Let's take the TA's example. He didn't report the stealing behavior but not for the TA's benefit. Jung held it over him and threatened him if he didn't do something else that was wrong (throwing Jung's paper away). Then later on when the TA tattle tales on Jung to Seol and Jung finds out, I feel that was an instance that he should have let slide. But instead, he purposely tears apart the TA and his boyfriend. That was clearly a coldblooded revenge out of anger.

With the stalker, Jung doesn't just beat the stalker up to protect Seol. He does it with a certain coldness of someone who really wants to hurt rather than someone who wants to protect.

Jung is obviously a smart guy. He could get people to stop their behavior without completely ruining their lives. But he chooses the harshest way (Jung's own poetic justice). It's his own eye for an eye except it's more like heart for an eye because others have so much more to lose.

The scariest part is how Jung keeps the facade on the outside of being friendly and approachable.

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Yes, exactly!

There are not just two ways here: the Way of The Fist or the Way of The Horrifying Machination.

With Sang-chul, for instance, they could have told a professor that Sang-chul stole Seol's notes. Sang-chul is well known among the teaching staff as a lazy moocher -- use the proper channels and let his deservedly poor reputation work against him! And then wash your hands of this guy, because you are a second-generation chaebol and some mooching lout from a country village is really no big deal in the trajectory of your life.

There was a middle way here. A sane way. A normal, mature, adult way. There pretty much always is. Jung just never takes it.

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I was thinking about all the ways he could have fixed the various situations and for a person in Jung's position I can't see how else he could have managed.

First, Jung can't forgive. That's his problem. However, he lets a lot of things slide, till it reaches a point where he can't take it anymore. And then he uses every little thing his target said to mess their life up in a way that won't make Jung look bad.

Do you remember how Seol was targetted for outing Min Soo. Everyone was making fun of her. If a person in Jung's situation did that, what would happen? Something like that would never be forgotten. Its the difference between normal people and celebrities. I can slip and fall all I want, a celebrity trips once, and her pics are all over the internet.

That's how Jung has lived his life and sadly with a father who doesn't tell him, "it's ok, forget it, you tripped, you fell, people will forget about it sooner or later," in fact the father would be "why can't you walk properly?"

So Jung has to be very careful in standing up for himself. He could have sent all of Young Gun's stalker evidence to the police and have YG arrested, but instead he sets him up in a way that forces YG to leave school. If he sent it to the police, he'd be the public eye and so will Seol. He can't afford that.

With TA Heo, he could have outed him as a thief, but wouldn't everyone say, "Jung is so rich, why can't he spare a few dollars?" While Jung is more, "Yes, I can spare it, but why steal from me? Why assume that it's not important to me?"

With SC too, I hate that he destroyed SC's chance at a job, because job hunting is the most stressful and disheartening thing in a young adult's life. But SC raised his hand to Seol. How could Jung get even without ruining his own reputation? Or rather, how could he get even in a way he thought fair?

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When you make a report at school, you will be identified. And there something universal that when you report - you are a whistleblower or a snitch. Even when you are completely innocent and you make a report, people cannot help but gossip and somehow things can even be twisted up that you were ought to get someone or bully them, and it's all lies. This is worse for you, if you're in a position of privilege and popularity - there will be those that will say - gosh, you should have let it go instead of reporting. How petty. etc etc. This happens in real life, and in this drama where everything is so heightened, it'd be worse.

Why should Jung or Seol - being innocent in the first place have to go through that for Sang Chul?

Furthermore - you would not be "washing" your hands. Seol dropped him from the team and he came back bullying harder, and telling everyone how unfair and she had no right. I think he'd come back even more aggressive, as proven by how he acted when In-Ha spilt the beans.

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Also, just to add, having been on school committees - it doesn't just end when you make a report. Any report of a serious nature - you'd have to see people of several levels of authority, then it might go to a tribunal, or an external advisory board. You could be in for at least 6 months of processing and appeals. In the meantime, you won't hear the end of it from everyone in the school.

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Hard not to take the Jung hate, with people calling him "scary/sociopathic/crazy/dangerous/terrifying" etc.. personally.

[Same person as Ep12 Comment #99. I can relate to Jung because I've been through some similar situations.]

Jung's not a sort of Voldemort that can't feel affection. It is just that he is extremely sensitive and has been conditioned this way. He has never had a place to vent, he was repressed, he was spied upon by his own friend and father.

As Yoo Jung sees it:

Smiling doesn't make you phony, it is just easy - smile at people and do things for them - it makes things simpler, life smoother. Then you meet people who take advantage of your helplessness, the fact that you prefer a smooth road.

If your patience wears thin(it will eventually), and you cannot vent it out, cannot express, cannot even explain it is getting hard for you to be used(not even to family - leave out friends because they are also cheats)- this is one of the most natural way to react in.

It makes you two faced, but it doesn't make you inherently evil. It is easy as long as you can predict people and their moves. Like someone said, handing you a rope doesn't make me a killer.
Who the hell isn't two faced in this world? Even Seol is - she smiles and doesn't tell people her problems, although there are people who can coax her and console her. Jung has never been in that position(and was betrayed terribly when he was there).

Secondly, this doesn't make him incapable of affection. He can get ice cold and confusing when he has been hurt or has had enough, it is just a defense mechanism. If he manipulates people, it is because he is capable and has developed this natural tendency - because it is the easiest path. He helps Seol with Min Soo in his own easy way(good or bad? It's for Seol to decide) in the same manner because he perceived how much it was bothering her. He does things for people he loves/likes - who don't use him.

He takes care of people he loves, does things for them, supports them emotionally, sacrifices resources and time for them(even his own well being), and you tell me he doesn't understand love or care.

He seems terrifying because he reacts by pushing an invisible series of dominoes and watching the outcome(the guy is so much better than me at these things - I am almost envious). He is different. He's certainly not malicious(have discussed In Ho's incident before) - and if ever Seol betrays him, he'd probably leave her alone(can't explain it concretely, but there are times when I care too much about the person that betrayed me - I just get depressed and leave and can't be bothered about him/her anymore(a reason why Jung left In Ho alone and couldn't be concerned enough to care about his hand) - from what I see - it is kind of the same with Jung, although this is fiction and it depends on how well Soonkki understands this kind of personality) and go back to being that broody two faced dude.

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The woman has enough creeps around her & I'd say Jung is the best person to handle them.

Jung's only fault is that he doesn't care about the traitors/their 'lives' as much - a consequence of upbringing.

Oh well, I am not Jung's lawyer. Just clearing a few things.
[The drama should end asap]

-> Didn't mean to reply - this was a standalone comment.

Sorry!

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Omg...I love your comment. I could never express it the way you did. I secretly applauded Jung's dark diabolical mind. He is a very fascinating character. Some people like Sang Chul will not learn from a mere reprimand or scolding, they must learn from feeling the same pain they inflicted on others. Sang Chul has never been genuinely apologetic about all the wrong he has done because he kept on doing the same. I am glad Jung served him his due.

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Jung is a great manipulator but I don't hold it against him. If you think about it, he's the only person who was able to solve the problems in the most efficient way (exclude what happened to Inho). What do you do with a bully like Sangchul? Trash him and then get trashed in return? Talk to him and hope he changes? How about a delusional stalker? Report them? Confront them and look like a loony? The world needs people like Jung to solve problems that most people are scared to deal with. It's a long shot but I see what Jung did as what Alan Turing did in WW2. He might have let some deaths happen, but he helped shorten the war by a couple of years.

Also, I was a bit frustrated at how InHo refused to accept the help of the people around him. Please stop doing the noble idiocy route when you're in deep sh!t and hurting the people who care about you. And then what's the deal with rejecting the help of Jung's dad? When you were "friends" and saw Jung as a pathetic friendless person its ok to get the perks of having a rich friend but now that you had a fight you reject the help? Whut?,

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Agree with you! I, for one, relished SC's take down. It needed to happen to make him realize all the wrong that he's done.

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Thank you so much you express exactly what I think, Jung don't trash people for free and always give a chance. You wrong him one time he let it go but the second time you sure to get it in your face.

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That's the thing I can't get on board with...
He doesn't actually do the harshest thing possible. He can do far, far worse.

So you have a boundary up (a fence say) and burglars and thieves keep coming over that fence. You can't call the cops because you know from previous experience that authority figures such as cops fail you (parent = cop...someone who was supposed to protect you). You warn the thieves to stop but they keep doing it. In fact, they seem to think there's something wrong with YOU that they can't just take things. On top of that, they are now hurting your family in their burglary.

What do you do?

I think Jung electrifies the fence. He doesn't shoot them. They do themselves in when they touch the fence.

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That's a nice metaphor, Petra.

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People can forgive In ho or even Eun Taek for being the occasional hot head and throwing a punch because that's NORMAL behavior for young people. It's not normal to go around scheming and manipulating people you determine need to be taught a lesson. It's creepy and anyone who doesn't find it creepy should realize the reason why they're in the minority.

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"occasional hot head "

Taek yes. InHo? No lol he is always Hot head and always do things first before thinking.

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Interesting how you've placed yourself in the pedestal of arbitrator of what is normal, moral, and acceptable.

And yet you find Jung creepy because he does this and accuse him of being the judge and jury and executioner.

It's almost as if you find yourself creepy?

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Yes, agree with Tim here. And you don't realise that quite a few people have found your previous posts quite disturbingly hostile - but were all trying to find justifications for you? Maybe you were traumatised by your sister's ex? Maybe you're still deeply hurt and angry? But I say, that probably makes you not the norm.

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The Jung hate from certain commenters is very ironic considering their approach and how they talk about him is what they criticize him for lol.

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Agreed. I, myself, probably because I teach children with various special needs, abhor the term "normal". There is no such thing and most importantly, it's coming from such a judgemental space. Who defines "normal"? A group? A person? A society? Who is any of them to say what's normal especially when it comes to other people's value/worth.

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Well, I guess I should agree about this one.
I think he took his time, waiting for those people to redeem themselves, only to find out they were just shameless as they are.
So it was kinda..you know, there was no other way.
You let it slide, or you give them a warning.

It was just his warning were quite cruel sometimes.

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THANK YOU.
I am so glad to find a comment that doesn't say Jung is a horrible sociopath who has done bad things.
Sure, he isn't great with people, and he does things in an underhanded manner, but I think that sometimes in real life we have no choice.
I am not a 15-year-old Jung fangirl with stars in my eyes, but I'm not a 25-year-old ethicist with dreams of a kind, noble warrior for the public good, either. In my life I've seen lots of really nice people get trodden under by the users and the takers in the world, by terrible acts that are either unpunishable by the law or not cared about. So I really, really liked what Jung did, I liked the fact that Sang Chul finally got what he deserved. Fists couldn't have solved this, neither could police or some other authority figure. Jung did what people need to do sometimes, fight back. He gave Sang Chul wrong information in retribution for the information (product of his own hard work) that Sang Chul stole. He set up an interview for Sang Chul - but in actuality, if Sang Chul had been true to himself and done his own work, he could have done well in that interview. But Jung knew that Sang Chul was too lazy, too much of a user and taker, to ever forge his own path. That's called hoist by your own petard, and I don't see what is wrong about it.

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And I would like to add that Sang Chul would not be getting a college degree in the first place without stealing Jung's notes. I think the show makes that clear so he shouldn't be getting the job in the smaller company anyway.

Not only did he steal Jung's intellectual property and work but he hurt Jung's "family" in the process of doing that and being a complete self-justifying ass about it.

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