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Cheese in the Trap: Episode 9

It’s an important day for our couple, who make big strides in their relationship that needed making. Of course, they’re not all super-adorable happy strides, but sometimes we have to weather a rough patch to get to more adorableness, right? I do really enjoy that this drama features our couple’s relationship as a work in progress, as something that requires growth as much as it results in growth, so that when we do hit bumps, I feel like we’re still heading somewhere. A somewhere that isn’t round in circles, I mean. Those kinds of travels are much less entertaining, and thankfully absent from Cheese in the Trap thus far.

 
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EPISODE 9 RECAP

Seol nods off on her subway commute, and dreams she’s on campus as her friends crowd around Copycat Min-soo, treating her like she’s Seol. They ignore Seol on the sidelines calling out that she’s the real one, and then even Jung leaves her side to sling an arm around Min-soo, calling her Seol. Ack, that just feels so wrong. Stoppit.

Seol calls after them plaintively, “She’s not me! Where are you going? Don’t go!” as they leave her behind.

She awakens cranky from the dream and gets crankier at a call from Stalker Boy Young-gon. She ignores him, so he decides that she’ll have to see his text exchanges with Jung firsthand to realize who the real bad guy is.

“I wish you’d open your eyes,” he says. “Open your eyes, Seol!”

Seol repeats that refrain to herself: “Even if small things come rushing at you in ripples, they’re only ripples. Like everyone does, you can endure them.”

So she puts on her endurance face when she sees Copycat Min-soo in the library, pushing past stoically. When Young-gon tries to stop her to talk, she runs away before he can succeed. Then she confronts Sunbae Sang-chul for his continued slacking on their class project, and he sweaaaaaars he’ll send his assignment in this time.

“But if ripples keep hitting a person,” she thinks wearily, “you can’t just keep enduring.” When Sang-chul misses yet another deadline, she deletes his name from the team report.

Sang-chul comes to class on presentation day full of lame apologies but expecting to jump into the presentation anyway. He flips his lid when he sees his name is gone, ranting like Seol’s the evil one for being mean, causing a ruckus.

Seol stands her ground and her group backs her up, but Sang-chul keeps bellowing at them to put his name back until Jung warns that the professor’s on her way. Sang-chul accuses him of taking his girlfriend’s side, but Jung wishes the group well and joins his group.

Jung notices Copycat Min-soo staring at the picture she secretly snapped of Seol’s brother Joon, now her phone wallpaper. To make sure, he asks her for the time and watches as she checks her phone, noting the photo.

The professor arrives and presentations begin—aptly enough, on business leadership—starting with Seol’s group. Sang-chul sits miserably in his seat while his group presents, and the professor just notes the team change and comments that people don’t change easily. It’s an appropriate remark for Sang-chul, though I’m proud of Seol for being an example of the contrary.

Then Jung’s group presents, and when Min-soo steps up for her segment, Bora and Seol sit up in alarm—her material is stolen from their project last year. Seol sits with a pounding heart, thinking that making an issue of this now could get very uncomfortable for everyone.

“But,” she thinks, growing angrier, “I don’t want to have more of myself stolen away.” When the professor opens it up to class questions, she speaks up, asking if Min-soo did this work herself. It’s a bold question and Min-soo gets huffy, going so far to suggest that Seol has a personal grudge against her. But Seol points out a typo she’d made last year, which is also in Min-soo’s slide.

The professor steps in to say that Min-soo did an outstanding job on her presentation… unless the accusation is correct and she stole her work. She calls in Min-soo, Seol, and Bora to her office after class.

There’s a flurry of accusations among teammates after class, and Seol thinks that while she expected this to cause talk, she’s tired of people thinking they could treat her this way.

Min-soo tells her group defensively that Jung helped her with all the materials (aha!), but Jung says calmly that he only told her what site to look at—anyone with sense would have known better than to rip off something wholesale.

Even the girl who’d taken Min-soo’s side before, Da-young (Stalker Boy’s girlfriend), snaps at her now for messing up their group project. Da-young says everyone’s calling her Faux-Seol and doesn’t bat an eyelash when Min-soo bursts out that she’s not copying Seol and runs out in tears.

Da-young turns to Seol next, saying she’s scary and unnecessarily mean, exposing Min-soo publicly rather than quietly. Bora snaps back and pulls Seol away while Da-young keeps sniping.

In-ha shows up on campus and gets into an argument at the convenience store over prices, until a nerdy student just pays the difference to get her out of the way. She sizes him up, smelling potential money, and turns on the charm, turning Nerdy starry-eyed.

He’s one of Jung’s teammates, and when In-ha asks if he knows Jung or where he is, Nerdy points off into the distance at Jung’s girlfriend and tells In-ha she would know better.

In-ha’s eyes sharpen and Nerdy wisely excuses himself as she goes after the girlfriend, who turns out to be Faux-Seol, ha! In-ha trips Min-soo, offers “help” up by yanking her hair, then chases after her when Min-soo tries to scamper off. Muahaha. I find it extra delightful that Min-soo’s impersonation is turning on her, since this is what we call being hoisted by one’s own petard.

In-ha warns that anyone dating Jung has to get her permission first, and her tirade is only stopped by In-ho, who happens by to witness the scene. He darts in and picks up In-ha around the middle, running away with her while In-ha continues yelling curses backward. Min-soo is left bewildered, having really the most terrible day (that I don’t feel bad for in the least).

In-ha complains about Jung kicking her out of her apartment, and In-ho does feel a burst of indignation over that until In-ha adds that she was only given 10 million won (around 10,000 dollars), which she’s already spent most of instead of finding a new place to live in. He tells her not to come back to campus and go shopping instead, while she whines that she can’t shop without money.

Seol speaks with her class professor about the presentation, then runs to meet Jung. They’re both thrilled to finally get a moment to with each other and hug for a long while, saying they’ve both missed each other. She apologizes for speaking up about his group project, but he assures her it’s fine.

Holding her, Jung sighs happily, “I feel like I can live now.” She says, “Me too.”

Then he adds, “We only seen each other a short while and we have to split again. I feel like dying.” Seol sighs, “Me too.” Finally, they manage to part ways after making plans to see each other later tonight.

Stalker Young-gon finally corners Seol, holding up his phone tauntingly and insisting she has to realize Jung’s true nature. Seol isn’t interested, but at his pestering, she takes a look—and reads all those texts, hearing them in Jung’s voice.

She snatches the phone out of Young-gon’s hands, races inside the building, and holds the door closed while calling that number. “I have to confirm it,” she thinks. “I don’t know what it is, but I have to check.”

It’s In-ha who answers, and she refuses to identify herself before her caller does. So Seol gives her name—and In-ha recognizes it, cackling at the coincidence. She declares, “I’m Jung’s girlfriend. I hear you seem to think you’re his girlfriend, but delusion is a disease. Why don’t you try going to a mental hospital?”

The fight goes out of Seol, and Young-gon shoves open the door, chirping that the girl is Jung’s other girlfriend.

So later when Jung tries calling from the office, he gets no answer. When he runs into his father, Dad has a few words of wisdom for him: That the real world isn’t easy, that it shows you that you aren’t the center of the universe, and that there are things you can’t control. Sounds obvious, but I wonder if those are thinks Jung needs to learn.

As Seol heads over to meet Jung that night, her mind is awash in confusion, trying to make sense of the call. She tells herself not to be too quick to trust Young-gon or In-ha—first, she has to check with Jung himself.

He’s waiting for her, looking cheerful until he sees that she’s upset about something. Seol reminds him of her incident with Young-gon last year, and tells him about seeing the text messages from Young-gon. Did he really send them?

His face falls and he doesn’t answer immediately. She prods, and he replies, “Yes, that’s right.”

That’s a blow, and she fights tears as she asks why In-ha answered the phone and called herself his girlfriend. He says In-ha was just playing a prank because she’s upset with Jung, and while Seol doesn’t seem totally convinced, she moves on to the more problematic part—where he seemed to be actively egging Young-gon on to stalk her.

Jung apologizes, saying he takes full responsibility for his mistake, not knowing Young-gon would react that way. But Seol doesn’t believe that and presses repeatedly: “You didn’t know? You really didn’t know?” To herself, she thinks that it’s not true—Jung disliked her last year, and wouldn’t have sent those messages without a reason.

Jung says that she has a right to be angry, but Young-gon is purposely doing this to get between them. He asks her not to get caught by Young-gon’s intentions, saying that it’s all in the past.

She notes that he hasn’t changed at all, that he’s just like he was with the TA situation, and really presses him to answer whether he’s told her the whole truth. He asks what she wants him to say. She wonders to herself, “What kind of person are you?”

In-ho walks by after his piano practice, and stops to recognize Jung and Seol standing in the middle of the sidewalk. After grumbling that they’re fighting again, he turns back the other way, feeling like he can’t interrupt.

Seol suggests that they both “take some time,” which makes Jung look stricken. She says she can’t understand him: “I want to go closer to you, but I can’t. This time, please give it deep thought.”

She heads off, leaving him stunned and staring after her.

In-ho is torn between feeling sympathy for Seol, knowing that Jung is likely to have put her through some heartache, and telling himself this is their business and none of his concern.

Jung comes home to find In-ha waiting in front of his door with suitcase in tow, airily informing him she’ll be crashing with him since it’s his fault she got kicked out of her apartment. He calls her bluff about taking it up with his father, since telling him she spent all her money is likely to wear on Dad’s patience as well, which forces her to backpedal.

She uses Seol’s name to get his attention, having figured out that the girl who called today was the same girl he’d had her text last year. She offers to get rid of Seol again, calling her a wad of gum for being stuck to his side, and Jung barely holds onto his simmering temper as he says In-ha is the gum stuck to him, not Seol.

In-ha warns that she won’t be easy to get rid of, and Jung tells her to give it a try if she wants. Seething, he says with difficulty, “Right now, I’m using all my strength to hold back because of what you did today—know that.” He advises her not to hang around the people around him and shoves past her, leaving her locked out of the building.

Having swiped In-ha’s phone, Jung reads the additional texts she’d sent to Young-gon, which it doesn’t look like he’s read till now. And yeah, they’re pretty bad: “You know girls say they don’t like something even when they do, right? Seol likes you back but she’s just playing hard to get. You look really good together, so keep pushing.” He throws the phone in the sink and turns on the water. Sorry, buddy, guilt doesn’t drown that way.

Seol struggles with her feelings, trying to figure out if Jung’s true nature is what she thought last year, and if she’s being fooled now. Moreover, could she break up with him now?

In the morning, Jung tries to write Seol a few messages but ends up deleting the ones that say “I miss you” and “About yesterday…” In the end, she gets one that says simply, “Good luck on your test.”

She’s surprised to find In-ho outside waiting for her, since he’s also on his way to school. Aw, he’s there to cheer her up, isn’t he? He hands her a beverage and tells her it’s the best thing for when you fight with your boyfriend, then plays it like he was joking and happened to be right. In-ho pesters her for details, offering himself as the Jung expert, Seol snaps at him, and they’re back to bickering in no time.

When Seol arrives for her midterm, Young-gon is there to ask if she’s broken up with Jung yet, texting that he’s the only one who really cares about her feelings. She ignores him, and Young-gun turns his attention to Min-soo, asking if she’s apologized to Seol yet for stealing her report and launching into a whole speech, probably formulating the next phase in his plan to annoy Seol into loving him. It’s… not a good plan, but Young-gon is not a smart boy.

While waiting for his lesson, In-ho goofs off on the piano and is caught by his teacher, tired of his basic exercises. His teacher says he’s going to graduate him from Hanon today and In-ho leaps for the new music… only to complain when he sees it’s only “Fur Elise.” Of course, the instant his teacher snatches the music away, In-ho’s all over it, since he’s all about the reverse psychology.

After the midterm exam ends, Min-soo goes up to Seol and apologizes for copying her report, while Young-gon snickers in the background. I swear, this guy is the real-life incarnation of an internet troll, who lives for the lulz. Seol is initially mollified at the apology, until she sees her lion charm hanging from Min-soo’s bag, which reminds her that this isn’t only about the report.

Min-soo gets indignant to have her apology fall flat, and marches back to Young-gon and his girlfriend Da-young, exclaiming loudly how unfair this is. Da-young sniffs that Seol is being pretty uppity, making it sound like she’s being unreasonable in thinking Min-soo’s copying her style.

Min-soo’s thankful for her support and expresses envy over Da-young having a boyfriend (…yes, but it’s Young-gon). Da-young says Min-soo’s is cute too, referring to the picture on her cell phone. So Min-soo finds herself going with it and fabricating a story about her adorable younger boyfriend and how doting he is. “It’s not a lie,” she tells herself, “since I could end up dating him.” Um… back away slowly, folks. Back away.

Not-boyfriend Joon is, at the moment, hanging out on campus with Seol’s friendly hoobae Ah-young, and they’re certainly quite flirty. He’s tired of studying abroad and has taken to the idea of going to school here, and tells Ah-young he thought of her a lot while he was away, and even calls himself her boyfriend. Since she wanted a date with Jung not long ago I’m guessing they’re not quite official, but she does seem to flirt back.

Young-gon spies on Seol while she’s studying in the library, taking secret photos of her and leering like a super creeper. When she gets up for a break, he sidles over to her seat and takes a picture of her agenda, then plays innocent when she returns to grab her stuff.

He chases her outside and insists on talking, harping on how Jung’s a total jerk… and over in the bushes, Bora and Eun-taek surreptitiously take video of the exchange. Young-gon makes a case for himself as boyfriend material, promising to dump Da-young soon, saying he was only using her to ingratiate himself with the others.

In-ho ambles by and crouches down with the friends, wondering what they’re doing. They hurriedly shush him, and when Young-gon calls Seol a sly fox, Eun-taek has to hold him back from going after the punk. They want the money shot and keep filming as Young-gon tries to grab Seol’s wrist, then goes for a full-on hug—and In-ho bursts out of the bushes and launches himself at Young-gon, chasing him off. Aw, his interference cuts off the last part of the video, but I have to say it makes me love him extra hard.

Afterward, In-ho hears that the friends planned the scene to gather evidence and scoffs at Seol for thinking up such a risky plan. He insists on staying to walk her back, and offers to teach her self-defense: “No, that’s too weak. Learn weaponry.” Haha.

Seol brings up the idea of In-ho taking his high school equivalency exam, then attending university and learning piano. In-ho dismisses it right away, since he’s never been much of a student.

Seol asks how close Jung and In-ha were, noting that they seem to be in touch regularly. In-ho replies, “That’s the extent of it.” He assures her that they’re definitely not dating, so she needn’t worry about that. When Seol says the siblings are quite similar for looking pretty and talking coarsely, In-ho balks and says his sister is super scary, advising Seol to run if she ever sees her coming. And if she can’t run, then go for the hair.

In-ho gets a message from his sister, and it sends him running. She shows up outside his place, begging for a place to crash, acting the pathetic victim. She’s full of complaints at his messy place (though I notice she accepts readily), then sees the piano books on his table and deliberately spills ramyun on them. He jumps to salvage the books while she mocks him for being a former prodigy who’s still dreaming.

In-ho wonders how she turned out this way, and she asks back, “How do you think things turned out this way? Things were really nice in the past.”

Flashback. It’s high school, and a couple of guys apologize insincerely for losing Jung’s nice fountain pen. It’s In-ho who gets worked up on Jung’s behalf, while Jung wants it to blow over and just says it’s fine. So the guys sneer at In-ho for picking fights for no reason, and In-ho asks indignantly how long Jung will act the pushover: “Doesn’t it make you angry?”

Jung replies that it’s easier if he just takes it, but In-ho insists that Jung should fight back if something like this ever happens again, promising to cover him. Jung’s surprised at the idea of fighting but In-ho assures him that he could take them if he tried. So Jung slaps In-ho’s cheek lightly and says, “You said to hit,” and the two friends start laughing. Urg, it’s so sweet to see how they once were that it pinches to know it’s no longer.

Some time later, the siblings are setting off fireworks, and Jung says it must be nice to be them, doing as they please. In-ho tells him to live more freely, and when Jung wonders what they’ll be doing in ten years, he replies that he’ll be playing piano and Jung will inherit the company.

“But we’ll all still be together, won’t we?” In-ho figures. The three light more fireworks, then stand around watching the sparks fly, laughing together.

Jung comes home and turns on the lights, thinking of Seol saying that she doesn’t understand him and that she wants them to take time. He flicks the lights off, standing there in the dark. “At first I thought you were like me, so I liked you.” Lights on. “But we’re quite different.” Lights off.

In the morning, In-ho nags his sister to go to classes and get her certificate so she can start earning a living. It’s in one ear and out another with her, and she reaches for her phone to kick off Step 1 of her plan, which happens to involve Nerdy, whom she “runs into” again on campus and finagles into promise of a meal. But when she asks for information about Young-gon and where to find him, Nerdy looks annoyed and excuses himself, hurrying off quickly. Haha.

In-ha manages fine on her own, though, and texts Young-gon’s phone, calling herself Jung’s real girlfriend. His furtive texting makes his girlfriend suspicious, and she demands to see his phone while he insists on keeping it from her. Watching from nearby, In-ha figures this is enough for Step 1, smirking that her result will be even bigger than Jung can expect.

Seol walks into class with her friends, and a sunbae calls out to the empty seat near him, which is next to Jung. Uncomfortably, she steers her friends to seats in the front, which gets noticed by everyone, who wonder if they’ve broken up already.

Seol excuses herself for a coffee break, feeling awkward, and tenses to see Jung heading toward her… but he passes right by without saying a word, beelining for the vending machine.

Feelings hurt, Seol’s pretty glum as she steps out of the restroom—but there he is, waiting with a drink in hand, which he offers her.

She declines it and continues on, and Jung holds onto her arm, drawing her quietly into a hug.

 
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Aw, that’s sweet, and maybe the only kind of thing Jung could have done in this situation—offer up a gesture for reconciliation without the excuses or explanations, because frankly he doesn’t have much of a leg to stand on this time. It’s one of those things where “I didn’t mean for you to get into that much trouble” doesn’t hold much weight, no matter how true and sincere that statement, since it comes with the tacit statement “…although okay, I did mean to get you into some trouble.”

I do believe when Jung says he didn’t realize things would get so far out of hand, but I also feel Seol’s skepticism that he must have had some idea things could go askew. Perhaps the more accurate statement is that he didn’t really care until she confronted him about it last year, at which point he swiftly stepped in and sent Young-gon away, and he felt in his wayward sense of justice that he’d set everything to rights. But this is a case where he has to accept the blame for the whole situation without trying to excise himself from part of it, because that just sounds like he’s still trying to defend himself when he distinction is less important than the overlying issue: He did mean her ill will, and she did suffer.

And no matter how regretful he feels now—and I do believe that he feels regretful—I have to join Seol in wondering what he’s really like. Maybe he’s sorry because she’s upset and because she was hurt by it, but does he get it? Does he connect the dots and see exactly why she’s angry, or is he only addressing the symptom of her anger and not the root of the problem, where he often crosses the line in meting out what he thinks is justice?

Also like Seol, I worry that he hasn’t changed even after meeting her, because we saw him stepping in to sabotage Min-soo, although perhaps it’s more accurate to say help her sabotage herself. He gave her just enough rope to hang herself with, and Min-soo fell right into it; like all the previous instances, it was the other person who behaved badly and caused their own downfall, but he certainly manipulated circumstances to ensure that it would happen.

The thing is, I feel like Jung is trying very hard to do as Seol wants, but I still don’t know if the reasons for her desires click in his brain. I SO want for him to get it, so that he’ll learn to trust people again and not hold back all his feelings and turn into some freakishly smart robot with Jedi mind-tricking abilities. And every time he comes close, then shows another glimmer of that darkness, I feel the same sinking feeling that Seol does and worry that he’ll never change.

So it makes sense (and I like) that their rift didn’t come about from some random third party playing interference, but what was already there between them. It was the truth in Young-gon’s accusation that was the problem, that Jung encouraged him intending him to act on it, and not all the crazy other stuff flying around. I like that in this drama, the usual suspects—jealous exes, meddling third wheels, vindictive crazies—aren’t really threats to the couple’s stability. What’ll get them is the real stuff between them, of trust and faith and all that hard relationship stuff.

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I have no knowledge at all about the webtoon. However in reading the comments here, folks have mentioned there are multiple seasons and one is currently ongoing. Does anyone know if the writers of the tv show are condensing the seasons into one? If the webtoon has not concluded is the show going to create its own ending or is there mention of tvN making this into a multi-season show? This was not a drama on my radar so I did not keep up with press releases. I have thoroughly enjoyed the recaps and seeing the fervor in the comments section made me want to watch the show now :)

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The webtoon writer has allowed the drama to create its own ending; the webtoon will continue after the drama has ended and the two may end up going to showing different events and having a slightly different conclusion.

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The webtoon will take a loooong time before we reach the end. There's just so much content than what we are seeing here. But I'm looking forward to this ending

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Thanks for the reply.

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Oh no wonder the adaptation is so good! Any adaptation that allows the writer/author of the original to take part in the production always equals to a well-made adaption that fans will love!!!

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I know, right? Especially when they know their characters so well and they realize it's a different art medium and adjust accordingly.

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And how I wished they had done that with Orange Marmalade and Boys over Flower (Jan Di was a weak version of Tsukushi)

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For what i heard, Sunnki (webtoon writer) is also part of the writing in this drama so maybe we can see a slight same ending between the webtoon and the drama itself. Also the way they are pacing the drama, they are mixing up the seasons, some scenes from season 3 then followed by some season 1 so yeah they are condensing it (by flashbacks and Sang chul arc)

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Yes, she said it'll be.

Which I take to mean that if drama Seol ends up with Inho, it won't be Jung in the web toon and vice versa. So the conclusion, while different, won't be in a totally different vein. That's my understanding of what she said.

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Oohhhhhh thats interesting to hear that, i hope the ending would be good even though it would be different from the webtoons. I hate to see a sh*tty ending to a really amazing drama

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at start : i know webtoon so i can predict everthing....

Now: due to mixing of all seasons.. i know the events just don't know when it will happen(the one who came up with this idea is brillient)..
ending is anybodys guess(which makes it even more exciting hehe)...

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[email protected] the appropriateness of your name

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There's 4 season of this webtoon and 3 season already completed. If I remember correctly the drama already reaching the event from season 3, and there's still many importanf event from that season to follow.

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Hello! Webtoon take much more time/chapters than dramas episodes, everything happens so fast on screen. The drama is already entering season 3 (to have a idea) and no they didn't skip anything from the webtoon, it just things on screen are much faster than reading

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I think the most important to take away from this is that Seol has a freaking backbone and I love it when she snarks and defends herself when she needs to. No heroic moment for Jung or In ho to step in Seol can take care of herself and I love this aspect about her character so much.

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THIS.

Today was Team Seol day all the way!

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It just shows how good character development goes so far, like Seol is easily one the most relatable and best female characters I have seen in a kdrama the reply series being the exception. And this episode she just owns up to everything thats been bothering her and confronts it, its just refreshing and satisfying. Loved it.

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Praise the lord! Please, writer-nims, create more heroines like Seol.

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Amen and Amen.

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ameeeeeeeeeeennnn....

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Amen, Amen

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I'll add my pleas to yours - heroines with personal growth <3

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YESS this. I know most of the discussion has been focused on Jung (I'm guilty of that too), but Seol is the heart of this drama. I love her so much. And Kim Go-eun is absolutely rocking it.

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Couldn't agree moreeee ^^,,,Kim Go Eun's acting is JJang here,,I do really like her acting when she confirmed whether Jung did lead young gun to her or not last year,,it's just her tears and her facial expression is so natural,,not too exaggerate and not to shallow,,,I do even believe Park Hye Jin held his tears back while he saw her like that,,,

now I know why the writer insisted to get Go Eun as Seol :)

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Kim Go-eun was one of the actresses on my wishlist for Seol before she was even in the news as one of the candidates, and she is honestly perfect in the role.

Seol isn't the kind of role that commonly gets people plaudits - no big, showily emotional 'intense' scenes or huge crying fits to show off evidence of acting chops like Hyeri in Answer Me 1988, but for all that, it's even more of a challenge to bring out Seol's everygirl nature, her charm and her weird combination of cynicism and niceness. And Kim Go-eun not only rose to it, she surpassed it.

And yeah, that scene where she confronts Jung about the texts was A+++ acting from both her and Park Hae-jin - she looks like she so badly wants him to be better than this, but he actually looks the perfect combination of both guilty and gutted. That's one breakup scene that actually hurts!

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Agree with your assessment of the great acting. Park Hae Jin, Seo Kang Joon, and Kim Go Eun all have the ability to be subtle and therefore more believable. Love this show! Good writers and actors make the difference.

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I somehow believe that Jung lead Minsoo into using Seol materials, thus ingites her fighting spirit towards Minsoo instead of keeping silence or picking childish arguments. I remember when he took care of her wound, he asked why she let others hurt her without saying anything. He's #teamSeol anyway... :D

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I dont think so by saying that your taking away Seol's agency that without Jung's help she wouldn't have gotten mad on her behalf. From what I saw Yoo Jung didn't do anything except give Min soo a few opening to make her mistakes which she did and Seol getting frustrated by herself took it upon herself to confront her. Though Jung does help and motivate her Seol is very much her own person and she can take care of herself but doesn't deny Yoo Jung's help when he offers it.

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In the webtoon, Jung did had a part in leading Minsoo to using the references since there was a flashback when Jung remembered Seol doing the same presentation a year before that Minsoo's topic was on.

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Like Girlfriday and Javabeans said right not you are commenting on the drama solely not on the webcomic remember that a lot of us haven't read it so you can't bring that up to discussions here.

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I do realize that many have not read the webtoon but I'm just adding on some information that could help clear up Yoo Jung's intentions. On a side note, the drama is going along the similar lines of the webtoon's plot so it doesn't necessarily mean that I can't bring it up in the discussion and compare the two.

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Jung handed Min Soo some rope in the form of the research links he gave her but it was Min Soo who made it into a noose and hung herself.

He had no way to know for sure that she would pick Seol's work and copy it wholesale or how Seol would react to it.
Maybe his plan was to see if she plagiarised her portion of the work and if so have a word with the teacher or quietly threaten Min Soo into backing off Seol.

Jung was setting a trap for Min Soo but I don't think that takes anything away from Seol starting to stand up for herself. I say starting because although she called Min Soo out after the presentation she kept quiet while Bora argued with their insufferable classmates.

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I did not say all Seol's explosion of reaction/anger today episode is becos Jung did something.
To me, he did his part of revenge on Minsoo and also choosing Soel's materials to give Seol's hints of fighting back. There're thousand other works on internet for Minsoo to get caught, but he chose Seol's works. It means he was "hoping" Seol would notice and speak up. However, he let her choose to realize if it is her work or not, and if she wanted to confront Minsoo or not.
And I did not ignore Seol's agency today to speak up and stop others from taking advantages of her. The thought "i dont want to loose more of me/mine" today is such a wonderful revelation of her after all incidents so far, which is so relatable. Before she let Bora do the confrontation and gently discussing (with frustration all keeping to herself) her concerns. Now she did fire back on her own. So I'm glad, regardless with or without Jung's help.

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I believe that Jung is also slowly setting a trap for Min Soo as well, getting revenge in his own way. Knowing how Min Soo and the other kids slack off when it comes to school work (the repeated dumping of work on Seoul in previous episodes), he threw her a chance and as he suspected, she did grab the opportunity to just use another person's work. Maybe, as Jung was brought up this way, to always be polite and never cause a scene, this is how he tackled adversity/revenge against other people. As opposed to Seoul's other friends like Bora or In Ho who are more combative and "in the moment". But all of them for sure are only there to support and protect Seoul and they have been urging her to stand up for herself. Finally, in this episode, she did and I'm proud of her.

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I agree. He really observes, assess the people, takes in the details and then places his little moves, and all roll out in a glorious domino wave. For some reason, I find it incredibly sexy and am bringing the popcorn for Min Soo's final showdown.

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I agree: Jung sees what's happening and he's amplifying it. That doesn't mean that he's manipulating Seol, or that Seol wouldn't speak up without Jung's interference - just that Jung is making everything a bit clearer.

Jung's interesting. He steps in and takes some of Sang Chul's heat, but then sidesteps enough that it sort of glances off him. He sets a trap for Min Soo, but then lets Seol (and Bora) trigger it. He does a lot of stage-setting and then lets everyone else step in with agency.

Of course, we see the bad side of that with Young Gon: he set up the circumstances, then took his eye off the ball. Part of the reason Jung is so furious with In Ha is that she did exactly what he NEVER does, and used his name to actively meddle. Sure, he set Young Gon on a collision course with Seol, but he never meant to keep that ball rolling.

I dread discovering whatever Jung's got In Ha working on now. I'm sure it's something that will cripple Young Gon, which is partially a noble goal, but it's bound to have some sort of repercussions Seol won't like at all.

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Is he setting up InHa for a fall as well, you think, or just YoungGon?

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Initially I thought just Young Gon, but you're right - it's completely likely that he's going after In Ha as well. It's not in his nature to reward In Ha for what she'd done, and he certainly has other routes to accomplish his goals.

It might be a situation where Young Gon is his main target, but he doesn't mind burning In Ha while he's at it.

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Jung is a master strategist when it comes to people, and his seeming encouragement of Min-soo is certainly part of that - for all the strings Young-gon is trying to pull using Min-soo, for Jung it takes just a single action to make him look like a rank amateur at this game (even if that wasn't his intention - he was enabling the showing-up of Min-soo the copycat, not Young-gon as the one manipulating her).

I actually wonder how he'll deal with In-ha. He's definitely angry at her, but the big shocker there was that HE ACTUALLY SHOWED IT - something he never did to the pervert even when he was beating the crap out of him. It's telling that both the Baek siblings actually get some emotion out of him, when normally he doesn't show any.

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The biggest emotional read I think we've seen from Jung is in reaction to TA Heo, when he meets them on the street at night. That was the closest to actual pure inward emotion, I thought. But you're right that both In Ha and In Ho certainly get under his skin - In Ho more than In Ha, I think. In Ha annoys him because she's an example of learned helplessness and is determined to get money out of him, but In Ho seems to bother him just by existing.

...not bother him negatively, though. It's like if In Ho isn't in his vicinity, then Jung doesn't have to think about him and can operate as usual. But if In Ho is around then Jung pays attention to him against his will, and I think has a little bit of envy or modeling going on - something like Jung understands that In Ho embodies something Jung himself lacks, and he's not sure if he wants it or not, it just really bothers him that he's missing it.

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no joke i was waiting for this moment so badly. when it happened in the webtoon i almost cried tears of relief? joy? i don't even know. seol standing up for herself is the best

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I am waiting for Joon's reveal more

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Agreed! What i love about the webtoon was Seol knows how to defend herself and she knows when someone crosses the line, she doesnt going to take it like a doormat. She is smart and she confronts people head on without sugarcoating it.
I remember reading in the webtoon that Inho knows that Jung doesnt like it when someone crosses the line, and ironically Jung crossed the line and Seol got hurt.

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I think Seol grow. At first she always keep things bottled up inside. When she have problem with Jung she chose to left school.

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totally agreed...I love it when Seol stands up for herself. Though still good at heart, she is learning how NOT to let others walk all over her.

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yeah, I love that Seol's backbone is something that's been growing in stages - she actively told Sang-chul sunbae off before for slacking off on work, but now she's coming out stronger and I love that.

I get that Seol's conflict-avoidant by nature, but it's so encouraging to see her not just let herself get steamrollered by users any more. (yay for kdrama heroines with actual growth over the course of a story!)

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yes. I love her so much. so relatable, just like any people out there. sometimes quite, but can be outspoken. sometimes timid, but can explode too. just a flawed and imperfect human

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That back hug....... so much feels.........

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I love how Seol can stand on her own. I was afraid they would make her the typical damsel in distress.. I love the loyalty of her friends and her sense, she tells what's on her mind, well most of it, or edits, but the fact that she stands up for herself is just...jjang...i'm so hooked...

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That back hug really makes my heart flutter.......omg, I am not at the age to feel that, but somehow this drama really did great job to create those strange giddy feeling (maybe it's because PHJ)

best drama ever...

sad that after episode 10, we'll need to wait for 2 more weeks

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Omg I forgot about Chuseok celebrations!!! Argh NOOOO how will I survive TWO weeks without CITT?! I'm barely surviving one!!!!!

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So no new eps next week? Aw I feel you :(

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...errr it's not Chuseok (eq with thanksgiving), it's Seol / Seollal (eq with chinese new year) :D

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Oops! I keep getting them mixed up. Heh. Thanks!

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Why don't they air episodes on such events actually? Why can't they just air since it has been made? Is it because of how it will affect the ratings or...?

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noooooooooooo no Cheese next week! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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ANDWEEEEEEEEEEEEE????????????????? 2 Weeks?not even 1
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Wait! What's the second week for?! I thought they'd only preempt one week's worth of episodes?

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preempt one week,, but the wait is two weeks

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Argh yes you are right. Sigh. This drama. Huge problem when a drama is bad...but also when it's so good (albeit different kinds of problems hahaha).

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When rests his chin on her shoulder at the end! Oomph.

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Park Hae Jin is doing the small intimate gestures incredibly well, especially for such a restrained character. Sometimes actors think the pose is enough, but he's going the extra mile to really sell it - similarly, when Jung was drunk and he rested his head on Seol's shoulder, he was nuzzling right against her neck and his face was almost totally obscured by her hair as he murmured "it's noisy...".

Sometimes you see something onscreen and viscerally react to it because you have a physical memory of when someone did that to you, and PHJ is extremely good at pulling those strings. Back hugs aren't a big thing in my culture, but a guy ducking his head down to the nape of your neck like that? Yes, that is a thing, and it's the best. That PHJ can use those cues so sparingly and in ways that telegraph Jung's momentary vulnerability is quite the balancing act.

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@Miranda - yeah, backhugs are a standard kdrama trope but what really makes that scene is the way his face is buried in her neck. I know I can't be the only one who was sorry she was wearing a turtleneck just then!

And everything about how Jung acts when he and Seol are in physically up close situations, screams that he craves closeness to her, even if he doesn't realise it himself or is going about it in a rather gentlemanly fashion compared to your standard kdrama lead. (the hugs, the way he moves so his mouth is practically on her neck when they're drunk at the bar last episode, now the face buried in her neck during their backhug).

I love how Park Hae-jin puts across that sense of being super courtly but at the same time wanting her, and how Kim Go-eun matches it by playing Seol as someone who's careful with physical intimacy but learns bit by bit to relax and want him back, in her own way (the difference between how she reacts to their first hug and the one where she met Jung after class)

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@pogo, I'm getting the same sense, that PHJ is underlining Jung with a much deeper craving for Seol in a physical way that is at odds with his overall manner.

Same thing when they kissed on the park bench - he knew she was worried about onlookers, and he'd already thought of that and dismissed it, and went in for another kiss. He's not all over her, which might be at odds with his general demeanor, but it does make you wonder how affection-starved he might be generally.

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@Miranda - I love how it comes across, not from a single incident or a single situation, but over time

Like when he first hugged her, it felt almost like an experiment to see whether he could do it/do something boyfriendly (the impulsiveness/carefulness thing again), the falling-on-top of her in bed felt like Jung being a tease, but they take on a different colour in light of later incidents like the drunk bar neck nuzzling/kiss, and now this.

Jung certainly seems to respect Seol's physical boundaries, but like you said, he definitely comes across as someone who was starved of affection and physical intimacy, for him, appears to be almost/as much about comfort as desire.

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Felt the same @Miranda! PHJ moves me with his acting. Especially the skinship scenes. The back hug alone was great. Begging us to forgive him. Delving deeper into her neck, that begs us to understand him and love him at the same time. So well done.

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Omg, that back hug! I was seriously holding my breath in that 15 seconds, while my heart skipped a few beats.. If the drama didn't show that scene in slow motiono, I think I would still see it that way..

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Did anybody else get really excited when Saltnpaper started playing?! tvN does the best OSTs in every drama I have seen from them.

I am loving Seol's development and growing confidence. She's slowly learning not to let people take advantage of her, and with it she's realizing her own self-worth and what she has to offer. You go gurl!

I'm afraid that another scheme by Jung will only further the rift between him and Seol, even if it is for her benefit to get rid of Young Gon. Sometimes it just ain't the way to deal with things. I almost prefer Inho's outright yet rash actions because at least Seol knows how he deals with the conflict at hand. Even if the past is in the past, I hope Jung realizes that it is important to Seol that he can't just push past everything because it's already happened.

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And its really funny when he inadvertently wrecks their covert operations (Euntake and Bora's). Heh. It's a smack your forehead but you still laugh moment.

They need to all confer together on one plan. Heh. Operation Creepy Stalker...and honestly, Jung is probably a better strategist than all of them combined but he needs their moral harness.

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lmao at Jung being a better strategist.. He is right? He good at reading characters & seizing opportunities. But they probably freak out if they know Jung's plan. They are emotional people, unlike Jung.

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THIS. If only they have a combined Team Anti-Stalker with Jung, hahaha, I would pay money to watch that.

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+10 to this comment - It'd be great if they all worked together as one tactical strike team.

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I'm afraid so, and from the teaser I think Inha plan is also Jung's anti-YoungGon move.

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Is SaltnPepper the song that plays during the argument that Seol has with Jung? It's a beautiful song - I seriously love the music PD for this drama. The song selection so far has been evocative, provocative and quietly suitable for those beats the song was meant to illustrate.

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I definitely agree with you. The song is Saltnpaper's "One Heart." Amazing artist.

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I have been downloading all of the OST releases on a weekly basis and playing them on a loop. The music PD is doing incredibly, incredibly well and should be an example to all the others who overuse one or two songs until I want to puncture my own eardrums.

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because the ost department being mentioned i need to step in

PD Lee always use indie musician in her dramas, from coffee prince (that drama has more than 20 songs as ost!) and heart2heart (it is not ordinary for a drama to have one producer make the whole ost - they do it with tearliner and low end project)
and now with CIT!
PD lee continue with her signature!

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OMG you are fast JB, thank you for the recaps! It is 05.46 am in the morning here, yet am reading your excellent recap! I share your hope and all your comments about this episode. I feel for Seol and I feel for Jung. I feel for both of them, even for In Ho that still does not want to admit that he falls for Seol. Tonight's episode will be another rift for both of them from the preview, I hope this couple hang on in there, and strong enough to pass the current coming their way. I really hope the best for them. I love them to bits

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I hope In Ho does not fall hard for Seol, I do not want to go through this pain...I find too adorable that he follows her around like a duckling with his mom, and think they make a lovely pair of friends.
It would be perfect if Seol manages that Jung and In Ho make up at some point. She can stay with Jung, In Ho can play piano again and all of them be friends forever. I would be so soooo happy :D

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I agree - and some part of me thinks that In Ho is still protective enough of Jung that he sort of wants Seol and Jung to work out. He's conflicted about it because he also likes Seol, but he can have Seol as a friend whereas Jung seems to need Seol as an anchor.

I realize this is talking about Seol like she's a commodity rather than a person, but this is just thinking of In Ho's point of view. Seol herself can be with whoever she's happiest with - though I kind of think In Ho is too much of a brother for her to see romantically?

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This episode sent me through the wringer. So many moments that made me cringe and scream and want to abuse the fast forward button. How can one girl withstand so much crazy? But in the end, the crazy is what helps her grow, and grow she has. I love this show so much. So much real character development, and as the main characters grow, I like them more and more. It feels like I'm actually getting to know people in front of me as they experience life's many moments - whether tough or sweet or crazy. I can't believe that we're only 9 episodes in, because relationships (friends and romantic) have developed and grown and shifted in real ways.

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Love, love this show. You are so right, javabeans, in that unlike many, many Kdramas it is not some scheming third party that pulls them apart, but their basic natures that have to be explored and the differences resolved. And just like in real life, it is not clear if they can resolve these differences, much less how, because it isn't about beating up a bad guy, it's all about self-reflection and somehow finding the means of overcoming the faults that we discover in the process.

I feel for Jung, because I think for the first time in his life he has really, really fallen for someone else, and this is giving him the ability to look at himself from her point of view, and he is puzzled and shocked by what he sees. He always thought he was the good guy, the white knight, and Seol is turning this vision slightly sideways. Sometimes, when another person draws aside the curtain of self-deception, it gives us the impetus to become better people. Other times it is just too hard, too scary, too far out of the wheelhouse. Not sure yet how things are going to resolve for Jung.

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I couldnt agree more with ur opinion!!!!

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yes, i also saw it as In-ha having some kind of deal with Yoo Jung to help get rid of stalker boy in return for some money/etc., and that it wasn't her own plan of getting back at Yoo Jung

and totally agreed, the scene of them with leaves falling around them was so lovely - i laughed when In-ho basically said what i was thinking - that it was too pretty of a setting to be having a fight in

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I'm glad that I'm not the only one who thought about this possibility concerning Inha, Yoo Jung, and "the plan".

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They subverted the usual setting for a kiss scene methinks (aw cmon I mean, lamp post glows, autumn leaves, a deserted street? Asking for it!) which made it even more bittersweet that she asked for time apart. And yet that might be the right step to take to bring them closer (so not physical intimacy but a deeper understanding of and for each other).

...or I could be reading too much into this. Hah.

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ooh, interesting observation! i hadn't considered that, but now that just makes me appreciate this drama even more!

also their acting (esp. kim go eun's) was on point during that scene - you could feel her emotion and what she was going through, in the way her voice cracked as she tried not to cry -such great acting

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then In Ho got so affected by the scene, he was so worried about them. It felt like he was not a third party but rather a JungSeol shipper. He noted that the scene was too beautiful for them to be fighting... aweeee... and that time that they were drinking before, he commented that they should be kissing instead of fighting. hahaha! In Ho is a JungSeol shipper!!! he is totally concerned for seol that he worries she might get hurt, which is just so cute. but he has this frenemy link with Jung, he treated as a brother once, now it just looks like he's sulking Jung doesn't show his affection for him anymore. That's so cute!!! (though the hand wrecking issue is still in murky waters, maybe he's pulling on it as an excuse, since that would certainly be easier than generating empathy from Jung aka turning on Jung's humanity)

in ho is the dreamy second lead, another syndrome? and that one too when he said that the great baek In Ho is "belittled?" (was that the word he used?) with his current piano assignments, but he doesn't mind doing whatnot jobs here and there? hahaha. throwing that kind of fit is too cute >_< because you can see that he is a very hardworking person for such humble jobs. but he just turns into a talent jerk when it's piano. i really smirked and rofled deep inside at that scene. in ho please don't change your cuteness! lol.

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In Ho is totally a JungSeol shipper. He spent much of his school career looking out for Jung, and then something went wrong, but even now he doesn't completely hate Jung - for pete's sake, he actively went to Seoul to seek him out at the start of the show! In Ho knows that Jung isn't complete somehow, and even if In Ho can't supply that help, he's aware that Seol might. Something in In Ho wants Jung to be okay.

I know the show is set up a bit as though Seol will be Jung's humanizing element, but in the long run I think it'll be In Ho.That kid is loyal, even when he's being loudly disloyal. Even in the Young Gon interactions, In Ho is basically leading by example - In Ho is instinctively doing the things Jung feels like doing, but doesn't really know how. In Ho is the Id and Jung is the somewhat-crippled Ego.

Maybe that's where Seol comes in: the Superego who will apply morals and sense, tempering In Ho's hotheadedness and Jung's creepy cyborg act.

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I think I saw YoungGon tell people that Inha is Jung's real girlfriend, and Inha going to negate that statement. Also the gang video of YoungGon harassment going to get out.

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baek in ha is so annoying! I just want to smack her face! ughhhh!

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Agreeeddd!! I have to fast forward as much as I could when she's on the scene. Unfortunately a lot of her conversations also involve In Ho or Jung, so I can't completely block her out. Cannot standddd herrrrr

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I feel like the light on/off motif is important but the fact it's used differently for Hong Seol and Jung confuses me.

In an earlier episode, when Seol was confessed to (did she accept it then? Can't remember.) Her porch light flickered on and off, and then on when she accepted.

Then later, when Jung is walking her home and was under a streetlamp with her and tries to get closer (I think he tried to hug her? Ok, someone with a better memory help me out) - the light flickered on and off, and then turns off.

This time round, when he ponders his feelings towards her, the lights stay off.
I thought that meant he meant to have his feelings 'die' - but he backhugs her.

Sorry to say this but Jung - what does it mean if you having feels for someone = darkness? Somehow I don't think it means lights-off-sexy-time when it comes to you.

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Actually I think it's just a clever symbol they leverage to indicate wavering feelings or uncertainty in the moment (is it this? Is it that? But this...but that!). I love the cinematography here because it's done so well and layered so carefully you can tell how much thought has gone into crafting scenes and parallels.

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I agree. I love how much care has gone into this show. There's an almost-gentle feel to the scenes, even when the things going on aren't exactly gentle.

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Oh, that's an interesting interpretation!

But even if that's the case, why does his 'flickering' end on 'off' both times?

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I thought Jung's flickering to "off" showed that he's naturally more reticent and closed-off. It did make me worry both times too, thinking that he'd cut off his feelings, but maybe it's more symbolic that even though his natural inclination would be to abandon his efforts, around Seol he can't help making the extra effort anyway.

Seol's feelings naturally trend to "on", and Jung's naturally trend to "off" - but he's overcoming that to connect with her anyway, because he can't help himself.

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Today's ep got me so heated, the rage level was high with this one. For a drama that I love so much, there are so many freaking hateful characters. How can there be so many horrible people and all in the same class no less?
You know what? I actually wanted to give Min Soo a chance but SERIOUSLYl? Yes, you're getting sucked into Young Gon's disgusting, scheming ways but there HAS to be SOME part of you that can think for yourself and know that what you're doing isn't right. When Young Gon asked Min Soo if she apologized yet and she said that she doesn't have to apologize because there's stuff that Seol did to her too like WHAT? Seol has done nothing to you. And I'm so glad that Seol called her and Sang-poop out today. And for that matter, Jung as well. I'm not surprised that he failed to realize why what he did bothered her. And In Ha. Freaking A. I don't have a problem with her acting and I felt like she really holds her ground against Jung especially in today's scene in front of his apartment. But I have no love for her at all. She has absolutely no remorse for anything that she does and the scary part is, I don't think she even knows what that is. When she purposefully spilled the ramen on In Ho's piano book and didn't even bat an eye, it just hit me. She has no semblance of human kindness or regret or awareness at all. And as much as I like Bora and her and Seol's friendship, GIRL. Sometimes you need to stop talking and aggravating the situation. Ugh, I need to cool off

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In a way I'm really glad that Seol stood up for herself this episode because that girl was letting things slide way too much and clearly ignoring and just bearing things weren't producing the outcomes she hoped for. Although standing up for herself also caused ripples unexpectedly for her. In that sense, when you contrast their approaches it's possible to understand why Jung chooses to deal with matters the way he does (he clearly doesn't want to deal with the fallout and so far his methods seem fairly effective...although that leads to the question about whether the ends justify the means).

Seriously I feel so stressed for Seol though cos it's like she's just constantly spending time dealing with a bunch of crazies. How is she even getting any studying done!

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Yeah, and it's very true to real life.

When you start standing up for yourself, ppl who have been using you will not like it at all and make a fuss as if they had any right.

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I sooo agree it does happen in real life as I kind of went through it myself about two-three weeks ago, I stood up for myself n then the next day I was told it wasn't my place n this job isn't for me And I'm like thinking to myself what BS so I jus took it n walked away no further discussion cause that stuff jus never ends... Anyway the point is Seol stood up the girl who let any one push her around I mean she had a lot of patience for that but u know it's a limit to how much one can take u do lose ur cool u can't always stay calm there r times where one jus has to put their foot down?

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Bo Ra was frustrating me last week but this week I think her firey spirit was needed. Because it really was a case of the loudest in the room wins. Da Young and Bo Ra fed off each other and I loved that Bo Ra was just like 'the ones who did wrong are complaining? Shameless' because that's totally true! Heh.

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I like that Bora doesn't take crap from them but sometimes, mainly last week's eps, her yelling makes the situation bigger esp when she confronted Min Soo about the keychain. That's why I was gonna give Min Soo a chance because it seemed like she was about to fess up until she got all defensive against Bora but today proved that Min Soo is really a freaking piece of work. And I actually think that even without Young Gon egging her on, she would still somehow crazily convince herself that she's in the right
Haha I didn't even know Da Young was her name, I kept calling her psycho Young Gon's annoying gf

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She's psycho. How else can you explain someone who is dating YounGon. And still dating him after all those crazy antics of him in front of her?
She think she's above them because of her position in their class. But she fall in to YoungGon manipulation when he's only dating her to show people that he's over Seol after knowing Seol is dating Jung.

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Da-young is not a psycho. She's actually a pretty decent character, I think.

This episode, she was angry with her friend Min-soo when Min-soo copied Bo-ra and Seol's paper, she even said something like "That's why people call you Fake Seol". Then she turned around and complained to Seol why she had to do this in front of the class. Both are entirely sane and reasonable reactions.

As for dating Young-gon: He is handsome, clever, attentive. He's also very good at manipulating simple people like Eun-taek and Da-young. And, yes, he did some stupid things she is aware of, but nothing dramatic as far as she knows. Compared to, say, what Seol knows about Jung, to Da-young, Young-gon is not necessarily a bad guy. He goes after other girls (like most Korean guys at that age) and he tries to overstep the boundaries, but she thinks she manages him just fine.

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Da Young isn't psycho, but sorry, Jon - I don't think she's a decent character either. She was more than happy to use Seol to do the bulk of their team project, while working on her personal project. That sounds a selfish meanness underlying that otherwise insipid personality.

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Hahaha you sound so agitated! But agreed about In-Ha. What really did it for me was the ramen spilling scene: you can be witch-cray and conscienceless but in the face of your BROTHER'S DREAMS -

Not cool.

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Well, Inho also like that to Inha's dream before.

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In-ho was a complete bitch to In-ha back in the days, where his own future seemed clear. It´s just their way of showing sibling love.

Luckily In-ho is slowly getting out of the mind-set where it´s everyone else´s fault that things are what they are now. In-ha, it seems, will never stop blaming others.

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yes, in reality such frequent sibling fights create life long shadows and emptiness. but, i don't think it could weigh much for her a dream. she was just drawing jung/like claiming a shiny toy. and in ho couldnt just be more supportive. given with in ha's fashion sense and nature (which has turned her bad finance wise) she could have been a fashion designer... but that potential mutated, and in ho is paying the price with his piano dilems. such a tragedy...

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THANK YOU. Are people that quick to forget what he did to In Ha, mocking her artistic dreams?! He brought it on himself, tbh

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:( i feel so sad for in ho, when he really truly cares for his sister anyway, the ramen spill was mortifying but makes me wonder what really happened in their past that in ho is guilty??? and inha just knows she is allowed to mess with her brother, "damn she's cold" talk about sibling love hate on the extreme levels. after that, in ho covered her with a blanket and removed her glasses as she fell sleep :( in ha is a total brat (lee sung kyung so good at her portrayal of baek in ha). some people said she over reacted but i think not, she made a perfect blend for this character and she's consistent! i love her (bitch goddess/femme fatale archtype) so funny when in ho said at the firework scene that in ha has no future. what can they do when she is that way, no change possible? he already knows the girl cant do anything hahaha. is that what sibling fights are like? btw who is older??? inho or inha???

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In Ha is older. She refers to In Ho as her 'dongsaeng' (younger brother. And everyone in the drama refers to In Ha as his 'noona' (older sister).

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I'm sad for Minsoo because I remember she's copying Seol because she admired her, and hoping to be Seol's friend by doing that. She is always timid and looked down before, so when put into corner she choose lies than getting looked down again. And she have no real friend to tell her that she make a bad choice. She think right now is the best time of her school life, surrounded by some friend.

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OMG, I am so glad I am not the only one who was annoyed by Bo Ra's intervention! She made things so much worst. As for In Ha, let's not forget how In Ho treated her when she was in the Art Academy, making fun of her drawing and leading her to quit. Karma is a bitch and he needs to recognized that he had a part in making In Ha that way. Most sociopaths are created by their environment and it is obvious it is the case of In Ha. Being told constantly that she did not have her brother's talent and a waste of space while getting beat, that breaks whatever humanity someone can have

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MinSoo needs some serious help, and so do YG and InHa.

I don't know if InHa is that annoying in the webtoon, or if it is the way she's portrayed in the drama , but I can't stand her scenes (the eyes, the features, the attitude, etc). I get that it is an exaggeration , but it doesn't fit well with the rest of the drama tone, even compared to all the crazy people.

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Sorry, I meant gestures, not features... Autocorrect mistake!

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Phew...I'm not alone...

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She's like that too in the webtoon, if not even crazier eyes in the webtoon.

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She's not that annoying in the comics, but she is even more crazy there. She's a really disturbing character in the webtoon, I think the director decided to "soften up" the character by adding a bit of comedic distance.

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I have not read the webtoon, but is there a good explanation for why the sister is such a brat? I cringe at the way she speaks and behaves.

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honestly it's mostly her personality and the result of her aunt's abuse. inha wasn't talented like inho and she had jung's family to back her up, so her bratty personality isn't ever checked by anyone with the power to change it

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She has many of the hallmarks of Borderline Personality Disorder.
"Borderline Personality Disorder. People with borderline personality disorder are unstable in several areas, including interpersonal relationships, behavior, mood, and self-image. Abrupt and extreme mood changes, stormy interpersonal relationships, an unstable and fluctuating self-image, unpredictable and self-destructive actions characterize the person with borderline personality disorder. Impulsive actions, chronic feelings of boredom or emptiness, and bouts of intense inappropriate anger are other traits of this disorder, which is more common among females."

The siblings lost their parents very young and then did not stability afterwords between abusive aunts and detached guardians offering only money.

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More likely narcissistic and histrionic personality traits as opposed to BPD. BPD presents with worse self-image, and usually self-harm.

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In addition to what Michelle said, I also felt that Inho's constant put downs of her in the past, turned her even brattier and made her give up any attempts at trying to get a job. I mean her own brother was always telling her that she is useless, and that might be correct to a certain extent, but I'm sure if he had encouraged her to go into something easy, she would have at last gotten a certificate or something.

The reason I was moved by the flashback, was because it felt like all 3 of them (Inho, Inha, and Yoo Jung) had played a role is messing up each other's lives, in addition to their own bad decisions (this goes for Inho and Inha).

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Yep! I agree to all of the above, and this is one reason I kinda like In Ha despite how awful she can be. Also it really stood out to me how In Ho was the one encouraging Jung to fight back and not be a pushover. It made me wonder if Jung finally felt In Ho himself was using him and then Jung used In Ho's own advice against him.

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I'm surprised what In-ho said about where In-ha would be wasn't mentioned. I feel like only a few people (me) have an issue with that as most others shrug it off as normal sibling behavior. sigh

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When he said she'd have no future? No, it really bothered me too, but I feel so many see In Ho as the nice guy who always has a good heart and intentions...so they don't see how cruel he really was to In Ha? Even in that flashback with her art he was tearing her down and mocking her. It's so upsetting but I think the drama demonstrates that In Ho does feel guilt for that, at least.

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Drama In Ho was made much nicer. He looked like he regretted the harsh words he said to In Ha when they were younger. Webtoon In Ho is cruel because he's so talented, he doesn't care for ppl who he thinks doesnt have talent. He openly insults them.
I'm glad they tone him down for the drama.
I can't stand In Ha webtoonn and drama - she's basically that annoying person who just become parasites, leeching off others.

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He feels guilt for Inha only after he lose his dream himself. Before that, he never consider other people's dream.

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Yep - he totally destroyed her hopes & dreams of being an artist. After having his own hopes & dreams crushed, he finally found empathy w/ his sister & her situation, which is why he always goes running to her every time she calls him. They yell at each other, snipe at each other, threaten each other, call each other names and tell each other what losers they are, but at the end of the day, In Ho is always there for her, no matter how much of a spoiled bit**y brat she is. For me, that makes him one of the best characters in the show. Cuz at least he is trying to get his life in order, he's trying to work, trying to play piano again, at least he is TRYING, something In Ha needs to learn. (Have to admit I could've smacked her when she dumped the ramyun on top of his music - for 2 reasons - it was his music, something he loved and something he is TRYING to do again, and secondly, cuz he has very little money, she was crying how she was hungry, and she'd rather dump it on something important to him for pettiness and revenge than satisfy her physical hunger. That choice says a lot about her character...)

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I'm answering here coz no reply button to Firehorse.

I see what you mean but I think his behavior is actually enabling her continued bad behavior. And if he is doing that out of a sense of guilt as well as love, it's even worse.

It would be different maybe if she had no other option but we see that she does. The chairman and Jung don't cut her off unilaterally but they offer her a good job and then a lot of money when she left the apartment too.

InHo should say,
" I will kick you out of my place if you dont go to the academy for your license." That's tough love and what she needs. Proper boundaries.

If it were me, I'd also say same for spoiling Ramyun on my things and disparaging comments. If not, it's a toxic relationship and not a healthy one. For her own good, as well as theirs, they need to draw the line.

That is my opinion learned the hard way.

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THIS THIS THIS. If I had a younger brother that often looked down on me, the way In Ho does to In Ha, sorry, but I would have been angry too. Thankfully my brother wasn't like this at all. Family is the only place you can feel safe against the world, so when your family basically crushes you, you will bite back, not only at the world, but at said family

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You're not alone. It definitely bothered me too. It's hard to excuse that kind of behaviour even if he "didn't mean it" (except I'm NOT sure he didn't mean it too). But then Inha's response to her brother is equally alarming (the ramyun thing etc.). So right now I find it hard to sympathise with either character on this particular issue of their relationship with each other.

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I'm not sure about normal sibling behavior, but I've had this exact conversation with one of my siblings about another one. Maybe not as off-handedly (or within her hearing) but I do have a sister who... yikes, I mean, I just do not know what the heck we are going to do with her. She's not In Ha crazy, but she's just drifting through life letting others take care of her.

So I felt a little for In Ho there, because man, I also do not know what to do with a sister who seems completely uninterested in taking initiative. Weirdly my sister is also one who has lots of expensive tastes and is a clotheshorse and has her apartment paid for by wealthy aunts and...

...hm. Okay, apparently my sister IS In Ha (though she doesn't shriek or act like a psycho, because we would kill her).

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Yes, I definitely felt sympathy for her in the flashback when Inho put her down. She must've felt useless in general growing up w/ a brother who is a genius pianist. But I'm wondering if In-ha in the webtoon acts/behaves the same way Lee Sung-Kyung interprets the character in the drama. She's so over the top w/o any nuances of complex emotions, which I feel the character would have in her situation. Maybe in the hands of a better actress, her character would be more compelling.

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and a lot less annoying.

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a lot of people hate her in the webtoon, too, but she was one of my favorite characters lol so i don't mind her in the drama as much as a lot of others do. Ever since I saw her get her and her brother out of that house as a child, I was taken with her, and that cold laugh as she looked back at the memory? Stone Cold.

That being said, I can see why so many others hate her. But I see the nuances, particularly in this episode I was a little impressed (there was a short scene in In Ho's apartment where she showed like 1 second of softness)

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Yes, yes, yes, and yes to everything you said.

Child In-ho was calmer and took in what their aunt had done pretty well. It was Child In-ha who was a very brave little girl to step up. And there would never leave no scar in anyone's mental if they were in In-ha's shoes.
I see her as the same person in webtoon and drama, she is just as not-normal / crazy as that. And she actually the only one who puts spice in the drama, because Sang-chul, Min-soo and Young-gon are too bitter to handle, Jung and Seol were too sweet and savory, and In-ho is probably just sweet and sour. And in every K-Drama, spice is a must.

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