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Drama Hangout: Ms. Temper and Nam Jung-ki

It feels like forever since we’ve seen Lee Yo-won on the small screen (even though it’s only been since 2013’s Empire of Gold), but now viewers are getting to enjoy her in a rare turn as a romantic comedy heroine—as opposed to all the dead serious heroines she’s played in the past—in Ms. Temper and Nam Jung-ki, the newest offering over on JTBC.

Even before the promotional materials were released, Ms. Temper had my attention when it touted its opposites-attract premise as one involving an almost violently tempermental boss and an employee with the patience of a saint. We’ve seen that drama in many forms by now, but with the genders switched so that the short-tempered boss is played by Lee Yo-won while the beleaguered employee is played by Yoon Sang-hyun, suddenly it becomes a lot more interesting.

Plus, she’ll be graced by cameo appearances in the forms of Song Jae-hee, Lee Jung-jin, and Yeon Jung-hoon as her three ex-husbands. (Yes, three!) Methinks the titular Nam Jung-ki will need some huevos rancheros to go with that endless font of timid resilience if he’s to become her fourth, and hopefully last, husband.

 
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Have finished episode 10 and now a nail-biting wait for next weekend, agh. So curious about the latest ex-husband, what's his deal? Figuring Chief Ok did something she regretted to this ex, coz she looked rattled and she's usually so fearless. Did she run away in red high heels and left him all alone in a blizzard..?
Have been super annoyed with the President; the investor is brought to you by your ultimate competitor who has backstabbed you numerously, and... you just signed the deal. Uh... hello, brain?
Loving Bong Gi's camaraderie with his noonim, have no idea they get so well with each other.
Still itching for the romantic development, tee hee hee. Have really really high hope that the show can depict gracefully the change of unequal working relation into a working love relationship.
Also, wondering whether Deputy Chief Nam ex-wife will appear as well. To even the odds.

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Aggggh, I can't wait for next week!

I'm so terrified of this Snow Globe Ex-husband. You say that you think that Ok Da-jung might have done something she really regrets to this ex, but I actually get an opposite feeling: I get the sense that he was abusive toward her during their marriage.

This is the only ex that Da-jung seems afraid of. She's on-and-off friends with Ex #1, and you can tell that she thinks of Ex #2 as something of an incompetent, but ultimately harmless, idiot. But Ex #3...well, he scares her. She was terrified when she saw that snow globe, and she apparently has a private investigator on-call to tell her when/if Ex #3 is back in the country. And unlike Exes #1 & #2, this ex-husband really seems to have it out for our Da-jung. I have a bad feeling he was abusive, and she saved herself when she divorced him. And now he's back, and he's pissed off and vengeful, because that is how abusive $#!+bags act when you escape their clutches.

Also, given the structure and themes of the drama, I wouldn't be surprised if it showed an abusive relationship. This drama has been unafraid to tackle things like sexual assault, gender discrimination, slut-shaming, and the unfair burden that working mothers bear in Korean society. I definitely think they'd tackle domestic abuse. Da-jung being a survivor of an abusive marriage would also explain why she is so strict with her boundaries, and why she is so afraid to love again.

All I can say is: I'm really looking forward to next week's episodes! Da-jung fighting!

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Oh also! I agree with everything you said in the rest of your comment.

President Jo is starting to frustrate me to no end! Why didn't he tell Da-jung about the investor before he signed the contract?!?!?! And why was he not the least bit suspicious about this investor, seeing as he was introduced to him through Director Kim? Like, COME ON dude!

I also love the Bong-gi/Da-jung relationship. It's funny that Dramafever translates "noonim" as "Big Sis", because while I know that that is what it technically means, I kind of get the sense that he's using it the way gangsters call the top gangster "hyungnim", and that makes me giggle.

And lastly, I also really hope that the romance starts to heat up soon. I will say that I would be totally fine with Da-jung and Jung-gi ending the show as friends and colleagues, but the show keeps dropping hints of romance (awwwwwww, when Da-jung showed up at the office with sandwiches for Jung-gi when he was working late (°◡°♡)...). If they are going to pair up these characters, I want to make sure that we get some good, believable romance development. The rest of the show has been so on-point, so I will trust that the writer will handle this well.

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I think Nam Jung-ki's ex-wife was buried alive somewhere in dramaland and it'll be hard for her to make a comeback. Or I kind of hope that this is the case.

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Hahaha, yeah seriously! Where is she?

Jung-gi doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would keep a child away from his omma, so I wonder if there is something else afoot here. ??o_O??

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Quite often in kdramaland the divorced parents marry again and for some reason, cut the ties with their children from previous marriage. This might be it, suitably tragic for both the son and father, but I think that the drama is just a little lazy with tying loose ends and I actually prefer it that way. Please, really, no explanations why Mom left! And don't come back! Stay dead!

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I agree that the president probably shouldn't sign the investment agreement, but I don't see a need to tell Da-jung about it as well.

Also, I'm with you on the romance. I don't mind if the show ends with them staying as friends. But if romance develops, it better be good.

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That wasn't a private investigator though. That was a prosecutor. I'm not sure if the 3rd husband is abusive (well, actually I don't think so) but he's definitely different from her previous husbands. I watched the preview for episode 11 and

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Da-jung walks into a factory and sees the CEO dead (by suicide). This was a flashback scene, judging by the length of her hair. In the present, she tells CEO Jo to cut off all ties with the "angel investor", and she says (well, this is what I understood with my limited Korean proficiency anyway) that none of the companies he had a hand in managed to survive.

I'm thinking that her ex-husband was a unscrupulous businessman. She probably divorced him because of what she saw. It's also curious why she's so affected by the high heels and the snow globe, since I'd consider them to be romantic presents. In any case, I think we'll see the most interesting story yet with the appearance of the 3rd husband.

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Ooo, thanks for clarifying about the prosecutor, and for recapping the Episode 11 teaser. I watched it, but I don't speak any Korean, so I didn't really understand anything that was going on.

Heol, a suicide and a prosecutor...that adds another whole level of scary to her relationship with her final ex. I'm really excited to see this week's new episodes! ^_^

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I love Bong Gi. Such a natural acting for an idol. He is a scene stealer. He might be seen as no-good guy, but he is useful (Ms. Temper knows -lol. I love all his tasks) and warm-hearted guy.

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Andrea you are going full steam ahead with this show.

Each and every episode they tackle something workplace related.
Episode 8 was sexual harassment to sexual assault
Episode 9 was Victim Blaming.
Episode 10 dealt with corrupt practices and Corporate Spying + Trust in your subordinates which was tackled earlier.

1ST Husband called her Bit** which is much stronger than the word Sl**
2nd Husband is Dependent on his Surname or family status to live by. He isn't exactly a mama boy.
3rd Husband looked cool and then started to give me the idea of Physical Fights
But then the way he acts not makes it appear like he is an Idiot to go Physical Violence route.
The way he is playing now clearly shows He attacks your heart and mind more than body.

You can scare someone without going Physical Violence Route.
I also have to say sometimes 3rd Husband do look cool.

This show is 75% workplace and social issues and subtle love and relationship buildup keeps everything well.

I also think Ok Da Jung and Nam Jung Ki as friends would have played better but from start they tried to buildup some romance and Woo Joo's and Bong Gi's bonding with Ok Da Jung is leading us in the known direction.

I think Ok Da Jung has become a bit Consious of Nam Jung Ki and Woo Joo is making Nam Jung Ki to look things that way too.

Episode 11 Trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z54wmA2fNwE

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Yeah, with Ex #3, my theory is that he was probably emotionally and verbally abusive. He might have also been a jealous, controlling type who didn't quite cross the line to physical abuse. He might have though, because you're right: there are certainly moments when he is downright menacing.

I mean, he definitely also could have been physically abusive (maybe that is why Da-jung literally kicks ass with her self-defense moves?), but I'm betting that emotional and verbal abuse are definitely on the table.

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I have seen people praising attire of characters but here we have Ok Da Jung changing clothes 3-5 times in a episode and kind of defining new trends of fashion.

Even Big Budget shows not provide that much clothes variety to actors.

Also Check Episode 11 preview provided by JTBC.

About Physical abuse : Episode 5 or 6 where Nam Jung Ki was smashed on the floor by Ok Da Jung when they went to Males Sauna Bath.
Episode 5-6 or 7 where Mother makes entry into the story and we see Ok Da Jung's picture in Karate Uniform. I don't think Physical Violence was a concern at all.

The way Mr. Lee treated Bong Gi and the way he puts importance on Strategy shows he likes to play mind games and mentally exhaust you. He knows how to change gears and how to Tick someone off.

Mr. Lee is easily able to make Ok Da Jung uncomfortable which shows how much of a emotional scars he caused and is able to cause in future.

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I think the biggest reason why her clothes look good is because she's Lee Yo-won. She probably has a lot of clothing sponsors since she's tall and pulls them off extremely well. I love some of the clothes she's wearing but I can't imagine myself in them really.

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You are right. Lee Yo-Won gracefully wore those attires.
She didn't wore anything Outrageous. Women wear those clothes in real life too.
Yeah, A commoner like us might feel a bit hesitant to wear them but Chief Ok Da Jung personality and status allows her to carry that style well.

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Also, thank you for the link to the Episode 11 trailer!

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Somehow I was quite excited to see Ok Da Jung bring home a shopping bag! It was such a normal thing to do - shop after work for a kick ass outfit.

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That scene made me weirdly happy as well!

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That's like product placement though. I recall clearly seeing the brand at the end of the show PRELIN(?). And I was laughing when they showed the bag when Woojoo went to the washroom as well.

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Ha! If it's product placement, it's pretty effective since it made at least two Beanies sit up and take notice. ^_^

I actually really love seeing if I can spot PPL in k-drams. A lot of the time, I actually can't, because it is much better integrated into the show than in American media.

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I didn't even paid attention to it. Though, i always check those brand logs and trademarks at the end of the episode to know who is producing/sponsoring the show.

Product Placement looks like a Out-of-character or an action forced upon a character. You start to think about this is what the character wanted or this is what creators wanted.

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Can anyone point me in the direction of a good tutorial on how to put my hair up like Da-jung in these past few episodes (Ep. 8-10ish)?

I really like her high-ponytail-side-part combination, but when I google those terms, I can't find something that looks exactly like what she's got going on.

Halp?

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Enjoyed eps 9 and 10. This drama has these unexpected small moments between characters that are awesome. Like ODJ and her mom at the train station. DJ sending Bong Gi to help Deputy Han. NJG working up the courage to stand up for Deputy Park, and then Deputy Park bringing NJG food at night.

The only thing that annoys me is President Jo. How stupid, fickle and ridiculous can one person get? I hate him even more than Director Kim at this point.

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This is only Tuesday, next episode is still so long T_T
Agree with all of you who figured ex #3 is abusive, and maybe psychologically instead of physically, coz there's seem to be no reason why Chief Ok couldn't hit him back if he hit her. Now it's a bit playing detective coz what is the connection between gorgeous red high heels, snow globe and a suicide? *scratch head*
Also, have been a bit bugged with Mi Ri's betrayal being swept under the rug like nothing. I know that she was upset over the harassment, but basically what she did was backstabbing the people who stood up and defended her, duh. And when she admitted it to Chief Ok, she said she regretted it instantly, but she actually did it twice (when she leaked the "new product"). Uhhhh, annoyed!

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I marathon-ed the show today. What a find!!!! Love, love, love the everyday feminism in it. It's managed to cover so many key gender issues (for women and men) in 10 hrs - daebak! AND, it's a fun & thoughtful drama with a good plot-line, characters that evolve, and great fashion.
Really wish now that DB had recapped it. A series review too much too ask for? :P

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"Everyday feminism", that's a great descriptor! I really appreciate that too.

I also really appreciate that our male lead is a big departure from most male leads. You could almost say that Nam Jung-gi has a lot of "stereotypically female" traits: he's timid, he's sensitive, he is patient and kind, he's hard-working yet under-appreciated, he has warm family ties, he's affectionate, caring and empathetic. I love seeing a man like this get screen-time -- leading man screen-time, nonetheless!

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Not so much the timidity, but I actually find the other traits super attractive in a man. And, the way Oska (ok, I know the actor has a name... but I liked that role too) plays it, he makes the character appear strong in spite of all the apparent weaknesses.

In addition to gender, it's - to me - a thought-provoking commentary on economy & job security as well. There are no rich chaebols (well, except for two of the husbands, I suppose) or poor candy doing four part-time jobs. But, you have the father who's working post-retirement, deputy Han who bears the "double burden", deputy Park struggling with loans, Nam Jung-Ki who cannot afford a hotel room for his family for the week... It can be hard to speak up etc. when there is so much uncertainty about matters of daily survival like paying your loan instalment or rent.

It certainly makes me appreciate my own work situation and put more effort into the job that I actually love... gah! if it wasn't for K-drama obsession, I would have met my overdue deadlines already!

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I like that NJG is portrayed as someone who is timid but still has his ways of caring about his subordinates. He doesn't like confrontation, but he's always willing to listen to his team and is trusted to keep their confidences, he's always willing to put in a good word for his team, he's always willing to try to clear up misunderstandings (like in when he helped mediate the conflict between Deputy Han and Da Jung in the beginning, when he listened to Deputy Park about being a witness to Mi-Ri's sexual harassment). I like how the show shows the contrasting styles of ODJ and NJG.

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Episode is up and now waiting for Translations.

Also The spoiler provided by Paroles kind of tells us that how Mr. Lee puts CEOs in corner and they up completely devastated and some even lose their own life.

Mr. Lee also don't venture into unprofitable deals. Angel Investors take more risk and hardly intervene in the business and management. But the way Mr. Lee works all ends up in his hand and then He negotiate with big players.

Profit all around. 1st scene Mr. lee Appears and talks about share-price of a Stock up.
Stock Market works on perception and there you can see Stock is overpriced.

A novice or new investor or small investor thinks wow Stock is in BULLISH RALLY and buys at Peak
but an insider always takes advantage of this mentality+ prior better knowledge of stock and company and bang SELL at peak buy at bottom.

When people like Mr. Lee and that manager sell shares of the stock then it is always in large 1000's of shares in a few minutes go down. bang. small investors crushed in 1 swoop.

Stock Market is a place where 1 earns and other lose money. 1 = 1. nothing more or less.

3RD Husband has ingrained the strategies and views of Investment into his own life. Bingo
President has put Lovely Cosmetics into the pockets of Mr. Lee.

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*spoilers*

Just finished watching episode 11. Some points:

1. A summary.

This episode is mainly about the employees not being able to resist temptation and accepting bribes now that they are in a better position. And as usual, Ms. Temper saves the day. This is a set up by Lee Ji-sang (her 3rd ex) though, and now the employees are in a even bigger crisis (unemployment).

2. The relationship between Da-jung and Lee Ji-sang.

He says he returned because he missed her (I think this was in the preview but I forgot to mention it). So I'm thinking, does he still have any lingering feelings for her? Also, there was something interesting that he mentioned. He wasn't the one who led to the death of the CEO/boss/whatever of the previous company. It was Da-jung. I think she herself also feels guilt from the same incident, so it's possible that she had (very) indirectly caused his death.

Also, I think the two of them will make a very good chaebol-career woman couple in a different drama. Yeon Jung-hoon is really charismatic as a baddie, and he and Lee Yo-won match pretty well.

Ep 12 Preview

If anyone's interested in the preview, this is a very very short explanation. They are now trying to get employees to quit on their own by being overbearing. Da-jung asks the president if LJS has begun to interfere with the company's operations and warns him again. Lee Ji-sang asks Da-jung if she still thinks there are things more important than money. And he asks her to experiment and see if her employees will choose her over money.

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Episode 11 is another Beautiful Episode.

Chief Ok Da Jung again saves Marketing Team.
I am getting annoyed. How many times Our Ok Da Jung has to save these people.

What they learnt in past several months? What growth they have achieved?
They do 1 thing and then rather than learning from it KIND of re-lapse again.
They not even put much of efforts into their main work MARKETING.
They easily get tempted and Intimidated.

It was funny to see these people who always gave bribes and scoffed at it now themselves took Bribe and used it. What exactly were they thinking?

Years of " Yes, Sir" habit has really affected their views?

Ok Da Jung must really show these people some Light. Our Chief the SAVIOUR of this team.

3RD Husband is cool. quite cool . What an Ace 3rd Husband has thrown in Episode 12.

Money Vs. Relationships. These bonds are strong enough to fight off greed and temptation?

The way Ok Da Jung was disappointed with whole team and especially with Nam Jung Ki.

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Have just watched ep 12 and have to say this is the show's most depressing episode so far, ughh.The only part i like is the next week's preview!

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So many smug smiles on nasty people's faces, ugh ughhh! *need to vent

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I am watching episode 12 now, and came here for peer support - it's so depressing! The President is such a delusional wuss - booooo.

I am ready for some escapist - happy - fantasy now :P

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Yeah, everybody was a bad guy on this episode, no wonder Chief Ok lost trust in people... *sigh
Also feel the need for something happy for a pick-up, so I watched Running Man (the movie with Shin Ha Kyun), and what the what, one of the police minion was the actor playing Manager Shin :O
But the movie did help!

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Goodie! I watched ep 15 of Marriage Contract. But that's another kind of depressing... though life-affirming too, I guess.

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Wah wah, it'll be double dose of depression for me, ahaha. Glad it worked for you, though I got a lot of angst just by reading the recap, so couldn't really watch Marriage Contract...

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Another Good Episode Except logical mistakes of the plot or premise.

Few Convenient plot mistakes are allowed to make story more interesting which i personally find cheap and lazy way to show a story and its characters.

3rd Husband has build quite a strong place here. Mr. Lee's actions and motivations make much more sense and he looks is quite confident as a character and as a Actor.

I have to say Mr. Lee is Bringing real issues into light Seriously. Humour is there for next episode.

Nam Jung Ki situation in this episode is pretty similar to Episode 1. Naah, It was much more serious here and most important and crucial point to notice is Nam Jung Ki Gave Resignation.

Yeah yeah That Survival-at-all-Cost guy gave resignation Latter.

I enjoyed this episode and in next episode will be awesome because Manager Shin will received his due punishment and new Spectacle-manager will cause relationship Rumors.

Woo Joo will demand Mother and Deputy Han's return as a confident Lady.

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I am enjoying this drama, but I have to say that Mi-Ri is my least favorite person in this show. I don't know if it is the character or the actress. I have seen this actress in other dramas and had no problem with her acting. Something about her crying scenes just seem too fake,too forced. That aside, she is the most selfish person ever. She has sold her co-workers out twice (where is the money she got for that?) with no real repercussion and she has the nerve to be upset they "SHE" misunderstood who Nam Bong-gi is. He never told her who he is related to, she just assumed he was Ok and not Nam. Everyone can forgive her but she can't forgive?!

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I agree. Her crying scenes are really bad. I think I watched her in Arang and the Magistrate and she is better in comedic roles.

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So feeling this too! She was acting like a spoilt child, sulking and not coming to work, plus being so rude to Deputy Chief Nam. And to think, the devil investor basically got the chance to do "restructuring" because of her misdeeds. Bong Ki is too good for her...

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Deputy Chief Nam asks us not to judge, but you ARE spot on about Mi-Ri!

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I don't have a problem with the character, because I feel like the drama isn't trying to make the characters likeable so much as realistic, and Mi-ri's characterization is consistent with that. However, I also noticed that her crying scenes sometimes feel a bit off. I haven't seen any of the actress's other works, but she seems to be struggling with this character.

I agree that the corporate betrayal was swept under the rug a bit too easily. That is a flaw with the writing and with the other characters more than with Mi-ri though.

Regarding the situation with Bong-gi, I don't think you can completely absolve him of blame since he knew perfectly well what Mi-ri thought and intentionally acted to perpetuate the misunderstanding rather than clearing it up. I did think it was a little weird how the other characters concluded that he was "toying with" Mi-ri (according to the DF subs) based on that, however, since that doesn't mean his feelings for her aren't genuine. I hope she forgives him, but I have a bad feeling that they're going to have her get together with Park Daeri instead. I get the impression the writers didn't realize how popular Bong-gi would become, and wanted people to be rooting for the other side of the love triangle.

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Yeah, didn't get that bit about 'toying' with her either (that ridiculous scene in the hospital was just a regular K-drama thing, I'd say). NBG always turned up for her and the rest of the Lovely team - at the dept. store, the marathon etc. etc. It's actually pretty cool that he's also helped his hyung a couple of times without letting anyone know.

He was such an a*s in the first few episodes! He is still a slacker, but quite lovable. [His hair - not so much! WHO has that hairstyle in this day and age?! It's like a 90s nightmare.]

Anyhoo, I'd say Mi-Ri and Deputy Park suit each other quite well. It'd be cool if they re-kindle(?) NBG's romance with that beauty blogger who lives in their building. The drama suggested something when they were trying to sell Pat-Pat...but didn't quite follow it through.

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I always wondered where the Beauty Blogger went to. She hardly hard 3minutes of screentime.

Nam Bong Gi has become freelance or contract worker of Chief Ok Da Jung.

Mi Ri is for drama purposes now. The only main plot line with Her was sexual Harassment and Assault which is done for.

Same for Bong Gi's hair style. Reminded me of 2004-2005.

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That's the issue here. I think the actress can't properly portray tearful expressions. In sexual assault episode I felt for her but in next episode when she acted as corporate spy and cried

In front of Chief Ok Da Jung i just couldn't feel any of her pain. I just couldn't relate to her.
The Ms. Mi Ri says she regretted it. wow. If you regretted it then why did it again by sending Lip Lacquer data?

I think it is more related to direction. They try to solve each and every issue in maximum of 2 episodes and so they just did it fast as much they could. That's why Ms. Mi Ri crying in front of Deputy Park felt odd. Scene makes sense but also feels quite Odd. These tears look like crocodile tears whereas a VIEWER should feel moved that time.

Also You can see it as an Story error or mistake done by director.
Same goes for Bribe Issue they just wrapped it up in 5 minutes because they have to move to next Direction or Plot.

Now what we have is Directors trying to play usual cliches and putting all characters in one place. It is getting Illogical as Episodes are aired.

There aren't many episodes left for Romance and Love and so we will see high-pitch drama.
They needed to make 20 episodes show out of this. Show is fast and entertaining but they are just wrapping up many things without any proper solution or conclusion.

We have yet to see Gender discrimination in Salary of employees having same abilities or Skills.

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Agree with you, the "we have to fire one of you" plot seems a bit forced. Where's the logic in firing marketing people when you just have a successfully launched a new product..? It's like the show is looking for a reason to show how people act when they are at the lowest, and boy don't everybody just sucks. Can't believe Deputy Han & Park actually stooped down to butter up Manager Shin, gah.
Feel a bit sad about the unraveling of a coherent story. Hopefully next ep will show that the people at Lovely getting back on their feet and not just Chief Ok saving the day again. And hopefully next week is the last we saw of Manager Shin!

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Mr. Lee mentioned reconstructing of company and here they went for a department like all the work is handled by this Hero's side. Fire a Single employee and everything is settled. They are making joke of whole branch of management.

There are many other mistakes they kept on making which I ignored but now it is becoming much more annoying.

They took bribe and 1million won is a big amount for them and then several days later pay back the same amount to Chief Ok Da Jung. what? that's it?
Director and writer wanted to show Greed and Temptation and how it affects them but in this process he forgot logic.

Chie Ok Da jung doesn't let go Unfair or Illegal Practices easily but here it was wrapped in 5 minutes.

Characters were Desperate. what? this makes sense? Characters worse situations in earlier episodes and even there they acted well. Out of Character attitude at display.

Ms. Mi Ri The less talked about her the better.
Directors are ruining characters for the sake of drama.
And Next Episode that forced Like/Love Rumour. I'm getting the feeling that they Won't do Justice with Romance. They will surely add Unnecessary and Forced drama.

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About the part where they return the money? Dramas aren't real time. I think you can treat the interval as longer than "several days". I mean, it may not seem like it but... I recall watching a drama and realising belatedly that >10 years have passed within the drama.

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Yeah, I know. It was mere a plot point to make the Main Point "they succumbed to temptation." Still it felt too weird.

They have completely messed up whole investment scenario. If they had googled a bit and added atleast 2 minutes worth logical content there it would have made sense.

You are right these dramas and their unknown timelines can pull off anything so it can be a few months too.

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Ouchie, now that you've listed it out, there is a LOT of illogical stuff and character inconsistencies. Still hoping the romance to unfold naturally and realistically, but should lower my expectation...
Seriously, might works better if Chief Ok ends up with Bong Ki instead of Deputy Chief Nam :D So far these two seems to have the most healthy interaction (no lies, no tyranny), and we all saw how she was checking out his chest :D

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Woo Joo has already confessed his love for Ok Da Jung.

2 times Ok Da Jung reacted towards Bong Gi's Chest. Totally funny moment.
I liked that expression from Our Chief. Actually this whole angel investor arc is made of inconsistencies and in the name of drama they have ruined some part of characters. They think Viewers are novice and don't understand much about business and management.

I have ignored it so far and i hope Drama won't cause more of absurd plot and defame our loved characters.

Ok Da Jung has built quite a good rapport with future younger brother-in-law.

For me the best relationships are : human relationships, non-romantic

Woo Joo and Ok Da Jung AND Nam jung Ki with Han Young Mi

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ODJ and NBG? Big big no.

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ODJ and NBK - hmm, could be an interesting noon romance ;)

And yes, I love Deputy Nam and Deputy Han's relationship. It's heart-warming.

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Ep 11 &12

HYPOCRISY! The way the president went on about the employees accepting bribes but him doing the same just ticks me off. Argh!! I like the fact that they all rejected at first but succumbed when it was snuck to them. (But why buy a purse?)

Ever since Ex 3 showed up wooing the president, I felt like Ms. Temper should take those employees and start her own company. Especially when the 'restructuring' does not include the sleaze bag brother in law. If anyone should go it's him!

Speaking of #3 - it seems like he is still hung up on her. However, I agree with many others that he was most likely mentally and emotionally abusive. I don't know if my subs were right but he wants her back as she was - 'submissive and docile.' Chief Ok?!!!

This is the first time I felt like they didn't wrap up the conflict in 2 shows. I liked that. Also there were a few other things that didn't make sense, but I guess it's for conflict.

Looking forward to seeing Deputy Han come back next week. I knew Ms. Temper had something up her sleeve. (Outfits actually made me jealous this week)

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I was wondering if Chief OK picked Deputy Han 'cos she had the best chance of survival of the three (not counting NJK here). Though if she has joined Gold like Manager Yang joins Lovely, it's going to be a weird switcheroo!

And yeah, was surprised to hear about compliant Chief OK! Ex 3 has it coming for him!! My guess though - after seeing the preview where he fires Manager Shin - is that he will actually make the company more efficient (taking steps that ODJ couldn't because of managerial hierarchy) and that would be his parting gift for Chief OK.

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As far as i remember Nam Jung Gi said deputy han being the most rational and reasonable person in the company. It was in earlier episodes.

2nd Han Young Mi's position was weak because of all home issues.
You can't fire Deputy Chief also. I think it was Strategic decision by Our Chief.

3rd Later on Ok Da Jung explained or clarified to Han Young that it wasn't Nam Jung Gi.

Mr. Lee vacant 1 position to put his own man there. The thing that i dislike most about Tv Shows is MAKEOVER.

All around Makeover from clothes to attitude to actions of a character and bingo we Have Deputy Han in new role with new vigour. Most annoying Concept.

It's like with Makeover you become a different identity. You suddenly get booster package of Self-Confidence and Aggression. Truly annoying.

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Sometimes a makeover really gives you a boost of confidence. I don't that it is too far fetched in the case of deputy Han because she is a rather outspoken lady. She just seemed to have lost some focus because of all the family and work related stress.

I really liked the scene when they were talking in a cafe a week after she was let go. Like in real life. She seemed more relaxed and already started to see the good sides of being laid off.

I like that. I really like her character. And I like the idea of making a great comeback...

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Deputy Han should kick Manager Shin's a*s in her brand new avatar that maybe includes stilettos!

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I was talking about Makeover in general. It is too cliche,convenient and contrived concept. Well, Episode 13 gonna tell how much well it is done.

Makeover always give me negative feelings. Appearance is too much emphasized and new personality attributes or features are provide to a character to make it more appealing.

Regarding work and family it was going on for years. pretty similar to Nam Jung Ki.
I also really like Ex-Deputy Han and have no problem to see her in new role But i also hope this Makeover don't go the usual Cliche Route.

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I have a question! What do those red print-outs in the drama poster say? Thanks!

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That word means "endure/tolerate"

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Kamsahamnida :)

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EPISODES 13/14 TODAY/TOMORROW

Note: Because this single post covers the entire length of the drama, I thought it might be helpful to mark when each set of episodes was released.

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That's a great idea! thx!! :)

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Ooooh helpful! Thanks!

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I caught onto this hangout fairly late in the game, so this'll be a huge help. Thank you. c:

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I just finished watching episode 13. You might not want to read further if you have not seen the episode. It gave me the overwhelming impression that Ms Temper was going to manage to seize control of Gold Chemicals as opposed to the other way round. I have no idea how, but her character possesses the skill and daring to just pull it off. Especially if she has the support of her both of her "families" (i.e. work and the 4 Nam minions). The only thing left would be to make it "official" with the head Nam minion or should I say Mr Temper IV.

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I hope you're right, I'm cheering for her and her whole team :D

In the end, my favorite scene in episode 13 was the whole marriage issue :P I had so much fun, hope the "fiancees" reconcile soon, haha!! :D

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Looking forward to the reconcilation too. The two of them are just too cute.

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Loved loved loved the marriage shenanigans! Yes, here's hoping for a happy reconciliation very soon.
(Bong gi's expressions during the balcony exchange were priceless too!)

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I applaud your use of the word shenanigans in a post.

Do not forget the elevator interaction, that was priceless! Their chemistry is off the charts...

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LOL - thanks! And, I also loved ODJ matching Woo Joo's hrrmphs prior to getting on the elevator :)

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No way there was any Possibility of Chief Ok Da Jung over Gold Chemical.

Legally and Financially or Logically NO WAY that was the possibility.

They are taking lot of Financial Liberties there and it looks easy to say what Mr. Lee does but in real world it isn't like that.

Gold Chemicals is a PUBLIC company and Lovely Cosmetic a Private company As far as show provides the information.

Best Scene Woo Joo and Ok Da Jung doing Tsk 2 times. Woo Joo confessing and Bong Gi's expressions at that time. Woo Joo has really taken the Heart of People.

Ms. Lee was a little bit down in the Episode but the way He speaks straight makes him a Decent and confident guy. Mr. Lee knows who the 1st Husband is and all the talk about Honesty, If you carefully think about it, Points towards Mr. Lee Himself.

Question Time What exactly Nam Jung Ki profile is?
What exactly the qualifications Nam Jung Ki possess?

Nam Jung Ki is in Marketing division Yet Develops products. Too Much Convenient Plot Line.

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You assume too much. I never said that Lovely Cosmetics would take over Gold Chemicals. Manager Kim is just that a manager and not the owner. We were introduced to the owner in an earlier episode when Manager Kim was warned about his unethical business practices. Since Ms Temper was once an employee of Gold Chemicals she might actually know the owner. Based on her performance she is probably very well respected by him too. Unethical managers can be fired and ethical, skilled managers can be hired to replace them. Earlier Manager Kim could have been warned over the phone, but instead the writers chose to introduce the owner. I wonder if it was to setup the owner's reappearance later in the drama and not just pull new characters out of thin air.

Note: I used the term "owner" but the term "majority share holder" would work just as well, but it takes more time to type.

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If Manager Kim was warned properly or sternly he wouldn't have indulged in these practices to begin with or continue with them.

If Ok Da Jung was respected because of work then she had too much social baggage to carry too. If she was that important then they would have tried to stop her from giving the resignation any way possible.

I didn't assumed anything. I just pointed out your take on a small company dealing with a MNC.

Why Manager Kim is where he is at even after having almost no Moral or ethics shows how he survived and succeeded.

Any K-drama Logic can be applied by Creators and Only then a take-over is possible.

Fictional human world is fiction afterall.

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Because warning a person ALWAYS prevents them from indulging in improper behavior. Again, your assumptions are very interesting.

Are all successful managers unethical and immoral in your view of the world?

Might want to watch the episode 15 preview, it seems to support my sophomoric, ridiculous theory. Imagine a successful, unethical and immoral manager being held accountable for their actions. Or may be it was just wishful thinking on my part. I guess we will find out next week.

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That's what we are throwing at each other 'The assumptions.'

Also, Please stop putting words in my mouth. From Murderer to dark world you are trying to hit each and every buzzword here.

It's not like no one knows nature and character of Director Kim. Higher-official was ready to hand out money till it achieved results without much fuss.
And Lovely Cosmetics is just doing that and so decision was made.

If director Kim was hold accountable then he wouldn't have survived till now.
This isn't a fairy world where everything is done as per law and morals.

A manager might not be using unethical means but you can't say the same for his dept. employees or subordinates.

I don't what kind of theories are in air when there was nothing to begin with.
Hired or fired is just the usual day affair of this show.

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Maybe not every detail is completely accurate, but "vulture capitalists" are very real and generally that is what they do...cut costs through restructuring, saddle companies with large amounts of debt, then take their profits before the company goes belly up.

Even if Lovely were a private company, Mr. Lee could have acquired a controlling stake in the company depending on how much he invested. This is pretty common in private equity. And if he did, he could do whatever he wanted to do with it, including selling it to Gold.

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This is what i'm saying past few weeks. Lovely Cosmetics is a private company and Mr. Lee has taken considerable stake in the company.

By law Mr. Lee hasn't done anything wrong. So there shouldn't be so much animosity against him. Mr. Lee is actually involved in unethical practices in securities market and a compelling case can be made against him.

We can't expect much logic from a drama so the best we have got is what we have got.

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I really like their use of sitar and Indian percussion instruments in the soundtrack. I am sure there was some Indian music in that Gong Yoo movie, but this drama series uses it as a matter of course - it's cool!

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Earlier it was for most 5 seconds but this time music kept going on and on.

Very Rarely we see Classical Instruments being used in a show.

Guitar and Sitar together makes a new combination.

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I like the way they use it in things-going-crazy scenes. Quite fun!

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I hope the drama doesn't offer redemption for Director Kim and Manager Yang - they are just mean, selfish and greedy people and should get what they deserve in the end!

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What exactly Manager Kim did wrong? This is how real life works too.

Startups are bought by Big MNC's. Most of the new age Technological Media was cornered by big Tech Companies like that.
It is the norm in Business World. You don't let your competition get stronger. Either you Buy them or destroy them.

Manager Yang is the Gossip Spice of the show. He is here to make the story more spicy and interesting. I actually like his antics and when he gets Insulted.

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If you do not know what Manager Kim did wrong, you should consider returning to kindergarten. Kindergarten is a good place to learn to play well with others. Murders happen in "real life" too, does that make them acceptable behavior?

Unethical business practices are still unethical no matter how many companies engage in them. I believe that I learned that in Kindergarten. It was a very advance kindergarten, they held business classes so we did not sell lemon aid in an unethical manner.

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Thank You. I have enlisted myself into a Kindergarten. I don't how many of us can talk about ethics when most of us watch premium content without paying anything at all.

This time again you have assumed too much and started to propagate a character A Murderer.

I would love to know the accurate stats of human world following Ethics. As said by characters themselves It's a man eat man world. Companies compete and try to throw each other out of competition.

You can voice against it anyday and everyday but it won't change the fact the most of the companies and their employees engage in such practices.

This is why Manager Kim is not more bad than the hero side.
You can question/Criticize his character/devotion/morals but it won't change the fact that He is part of the same society then other characters live in.

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You seem to live in a very dark world. We will never see eye to eye on this. It is just best to agree to disagree.

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Let's take Manager Shin and use him as an example for a minute. The guy tried to take advantage of a female worker and threatened to have her fired should she not do what he wanted her to. He then went on to bully Hyun-woo because he decided to confirm Mi-ri's story.

With that in mind, let me present this to you: "What exactly didManager Shin do wrong? This is how real life works too."

Yes, it does happen in real life. That doesn't make it okay. That doesn't mean that Manager Shin is no longer a creep. He still is. And so are all of the people that do what he does in real life. The same goes for Manager Kim.

Plus, I think the only thing driving Manager Kim to do anything that he's currently doing has almost nothing to do with Lovely climbing up the ranks and becoming a competitor—it has to do with him holding an almighty grudge against Da-jung and wanting to make her life miserable. If he gets to stomp on a possible competitor in the process, great, but I think Da-jung's clearly his main goal here.

Manager Kim can be hilarious to watch, same as Manager Yang, and even Manager Shin has his moments, but they're all still pretty mean, selfish, and greedy people.

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It's to the writers' credit that none of the characters are goody-two-shoes - even Woo Joo has decided that his personality doesn't go with the family motto - LOL! But everyone has some redeeming qualities ... except, of course, for Kim and Yang. I can't wait for them to get their comeuppance - just like Shin (though he's probably going to appear soon again with his family shares).

And yes, you are right - Kim totally has this thing against Ok Da Jung. Actually, I hope that they shed some light on the past - that time when ODJ cried because of Kim's comments at the restaurant still has me wondering. There's the mystery of the red shoes too.

The third ex is interesting among the set of 'villains'. He is not petty like the rest, and appears to genuinely believe in the power of money. Loved the lesson he got from Jun Ki at the dinner, and Ok Da Jung's expression at this words :)

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Yes, yes, yes. The characters are one of my favorite things about this show. c:

The moment Ji-sang showed up made me think back on the rest of Da-jung's exes, and from those three supporting characters alone, it's amazing to see how the show has injected good and bad to all of those characters (and almost all of the characters, really) – Ji-sang included, since he supposedly wasn't as bad as he is now when he and Da-jung first got together, and he does have a point with his money argument (Managers Shin and Yang are good examples of his 'money ruling over most things' point of view).

Yoon-ho's this weird combination of ambition, jealousy, ego, distrust, regret, loyalty – and probably more than that. He's this mystery card that's as frustrating as he is interesting. And Shi-wan (I think that's his name?) who seems mostly harmless, but is still immature, a little selfish and self-centered, and incapable of freeing himself from his mother's clutches despite his age.

I really, really hope we get to see why Ji-sang is the way that he is. If there was a specific turning point for him, or if he, like Yoon-ho, misunderstood Da-jung's actions and assumed she might have done what she did for money or something.

Same goes for Manager Kim, although I think for him it might mostly be an ego thing and him feeling threatened by her, since I think the two had some kind of unspoken work competition going on and Manager Kim was a step ahead only because he kept using underhanded tactics, like helping spread rumors about her around the company, or moving pieces around to have the rumors create themselves so he doesn't need to get his hands dirty.

"Loved the lesson he got from Jun Ki at the dinner, and Ok Da Jung's expression at this words" – And that was maybe one of my favorite parts of episode 13. It got me right in the feels.

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One probable reason for Manager Kim's grudge against ODJ is she (literally) ripped up his plans to acquire Pat Pat serum in the first or second episode. He was trying to get Lovely to sign over the formula to Pat Pat, and she ripped up the contract, then quit and went to Lovely.

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Yeah. There exist the feelings of Grudge in manager Kim and he wants to make sure Chief Ok Da Jung fails and bow down before him.

Male ego? status? fake pride of being a manager of a big firm? who knows.

As most of the characters haven't been properly developed in this show.

Selfishness,Greed,being mean are all human traits and other characters have shown it too. So just picking out certain characters because they are against the Hero Side is Hypocritical.

Surely, Hero Side has better morals and all but they also do mistakes which proves that No character is Noble or Perfect in this show.

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"As most of the characters haven’t been properly developed in this show." – I don't know if you and I are watching the same show. Outside of the two or three unnamed characters working in the Lovely office, each character in this show has a fairly distinct personality. Not every single character is as developed and fleshed out as Jung-gi and Da-jung and Young-mi, sure, but for supporting characters, they're still their own characters.

"Selfishness,Greed,being mean are all human traits and other characters have shown it too. So just picking out certain characters because they are against the Hero Side is Hypocritical." – Almost all of the characters in this show have shown selfishness, greed, and mean streaks. I'm not disagreeing with that. I like the characters so much because they are clearly human, with good and bad sides. The difference is how to let those choices affect the way that you live and treat the people around you.

Mi-ri has done something wrong, Hyun-woo has done something wrong, Young-mi and Jung-gi and Da-jung too. The difference between them and Managers Kim, Shin, and Yang is that they have sincerely apologized for it. They realized that what they said or did was wrong, and they recognized and acknowledged that. They learn from their mistakes and try to become better people.

The difference between them and Managers Kim, Shin, and Yang is that those guys are unapologetic about targeting people to ruin their lives and livelihood. When they 'apologize' it's insincere and only done so that they can worm their way out of trouble and try to manipulate people further. A means to an end. They allow their mean, greedy, and selfish sides rule over their actions more often than not.

I'm not saying that there are any perfect characters on this show, because there aren't -- our most 'noble' character on this show is probably Jung-gi, and he's full of imperfections and has consistently mentioned through narration that none of them are perfect. But even though they fail and succumb to their vices, they often make an effort to try and be better people, while other characters do not.

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We are watching the same show with different angle.
Just because a character is given different traits/attributes not make them developed at all. It is just basic setup of characters.

If we have to talk about K-drama World then Yes they are developed as per requirement of the show And doing good.

>>The difference is how to let those choices affect the way that you live and treat the people around you.

That's the point. Where Hero Side shines a bit but even they struggled.
Overall, They were somehow able to come out of all of this unharmed.

>>They learn from their mistakes and try to become better people.

If that was true they wouldn't have done so many mistakes to begin with.
If we can praise Hero Side then we should acknowledge their shortcomings too.
Yes, They learned but they fell back to their own habits several times too.

People don't easily change but still i expected some growth from them.

I actually didn't got the impression that they actively try to become a better person. It was more like they had given part of their integrity and now they are slowly-slowly getting it back.

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I wanted one thing from episodes 13 and 14, and that was some payback dished out to some of our antagonists, and so far, episode 13 has given me enough to make sure I don't go into episode 14 feeling too angry/sad about our heroes being so close, but not close enough.

It was delightful seeing Manager Yang get taken down a notch or two throughout the whole thing (I was already so happy to have Young-mi back again, but her shutting Manager Yang down like that made her return ten times sweeter), and it was made even better by him still retaining his cockiness through it all.

And I was so happy about Manager Shin finally being tossed out -- until I realized that we pretty much just traded in bag of trash for another. At that moment, I almost wanted Manager Shin to come back. Almost. I'd be happier if they all just vanished.

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Jang Mi Ri and Deputy Park are so gullible for constantly believing the worst of people. Unlike Young Mi and Jun Ki, they were so easily falling for Yang's machinations - the rumours he was spreading about Ok Da Jung. They may be younger than the rest, but 20s is old enough.

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I rarely hate fictional characters and Hate is such a heavy and deep word but Dislike is completely different matter.

For that I pronounce Ms. Mi Ri. Even Manager Yang and Kim remain loyal to their character but when Ms. Mi Ri's mind change about something is unknown.

They all should Sincerely thank Chief Ok Da Jung for tolerating their views/actions.

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Can't argue with that, vongole. The only thing I could say is it might be easier for the two of them to think the worst of people because the two of them are likely to do the same themselves – Hyun-woo seriously considered backstabbing Lovely, which Mi-ri's actually done that. They know that they themselves would be capable of doing such things, so it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that other people would do the same. And they two of them have spent the least amount of time with Da-jung outside of the work setting, so it makes sense that they wouldn't have the same level of trust as Young-mi and Jung-gi.

Plus, if no one believed what Yang says, there'd be no drama or complications, and if there's one thing this drama loves its complications, confusion, and miscommunication. :P

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Hmmm yeah... that makes sense. Waiting for eng subs for episode 14. Got to see what ODJ's absence does to this lot!

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Thoughts on the romantic developments: NJK unhappy about flowers + Yang suggesting that he has a crush on ODJ. These seemed a teensy forced to me.

ODJ's smile-y acknowledgment of what NJK said at the dinner about money vs people seemed much more in line with their relationship...and I wish they'd develop their shared values into 'something more'. That may be a more organic way to develop the romantic storyline.

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It was forced. They are into 13th Episode and they haven't much for Romance to blossom.

We can like all about Nam Jung Ki comment about happiness but even that appeared a bit Odd too me. But Chief Ok Da Jung reaction was purely Genuine.

16 episodes have made this show wrap things as much fast as possible.
So not much proper development of characters or concepts happened.

I assumed Chief Ok Da Jung age was 35-37 but marriage logic makes it around 40.
Similarly because of actor i thought Nam Jung Ki should be around 38-39 but now it looks like he is 40+

The concept of similar beliefs or shared beliefs is quite warm in itself.

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I know their ages! NJK is 41 (mentioned in an early episode) and ODJ is 40 (from epi 13 - conversation with Woo Joo).

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It was odd Ok Da Jung talking about "babies" to Woo Joo.
Then Woo Joo is around 6-10. I think it wasn't exactly mentioned Nam Jung Ki was 40+.

Let's assume if 4th marriage happens then there is too low of a possibility for a new baby. It's not like they need it. Almost Every Couple once in their lifetime think about it.

What would have happened if Our Chief happened to be Single Mother? Thankfully It isn't true.

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She says she'll be turning 60 after 20 years. I'd imagine she's still in her late 30s.

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I just re-watched that scene and it surely looks like Ok Da Jung is in late 30's.

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Yes, it felt forced, NJK suddenly being jealous. I would have preferred a progress in this, seeing some gradual interest from both parts. Still I liked it.
I would love to see them together: I think they make a cute couple and they complement each other very well. I just want NJK to make a move and make her see him as a man...maybe it is because he is the type I like, attractive but sweet, I think it could work... :D

There is not much time left but I would be satisfied with a few hints for romance in the future. Never thought at the beginning that I would ship these two, but watching them dating would make me sooo happy. :D

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Wishin' and waitin' :) :)

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Lee Yo Won is A W E S O M E !

two words S A I L O R M O O N

She is now my favorite actor/actress!

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So true. I'm also a new fan of hers :D

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How awkward it must have been though... poor LYW.

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I disagree, she seems to be having fun as Sailor Moon. If you look closely she is genuinely smiling. Heck, she is glamorous enough to wear almost anything and make it look good. But to look that confident wearing an iconic yet ridiculous anime custom, that is total class. How many fashionistas could successfully pull off wearing that outfit? And more importantly, make us feel the fun they are having while doing something that easily could be awkward.

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She may be having fun, but it's still going to be awkward. If you watch the BTS for the first 8 episodes, she was having fun for the CGI scene as well but still awkward. You just can't get rid of the awkwardness. Still, it was a hilarious scene. It's the sort of thing I'd never imagine LYW doing.

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She was brilliant!

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Mrs. Lee Yo Won laughs quite a lot. Check all the behind the scene videos.
I think it was fun experience and Woo Joo was the happiest one.
This Tsk Tsk is quite cute in itself.

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Agreed! I didn't know her at all before this drama. But now I can't imagine anyone but her as ODJ. I'd say ODJ is the best female character I've seen in kdrama, and one of the best characters period, male or female. I have never seen a kdrama (or even American show) with a theme centered around a main character's leadership ability. This show does it from beginning to end.

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Same here. This is the 1st time i have seen Lee Yo Won and I'm totally attracted to her.

I am an Admirer now. Fan is too loose of a term.

Lee Yo Won aka Ok Da Jung has beautifully carried the whole show. This is what Title of the show reflects too. I'm impressed with the portral of Ok Da Jung.

1 of the rarest and Strongest Female Character in the modern world.
It is like whole show is written for Ok Da Jung and Lee Yo Won right away clicked with the character.

Dialogues to Costumes to scenes everything is done perfectly for Ok Da Jung.

Nam Jung Gi has his own shinning moments but Ok Da Jung has clearly over-powered all of the characters combined.

Bloopers Video with Subtitles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WEe-nInyqk

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Thanks for that bloopers vid, she's so giggly and cute! Looked like they had a great time filming this.

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Then you must allow me to recommend you Empire of Gold! Her character there was just as strong and independent. Plus-cough-Go Soo. I've been fan since Bad Love(2007).

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I honestly don't want the two mains together. Not much is there and there are only two episodes for the show to end.

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I'm loving this show more and more every episode.

All the characters are great, specially ODJ and NJK.
But, can we discuss for a moment how charming is the "evil" 3rd husband Mr. Lee? Yeon Jung Hoon is doing a great job, as always.
And also, I didn't expect to like Bong-Gi so much. His comedy moments are pure gold.
All in all, the story is good and touches very realistic matters that happen in the workplace, but the actors are the ones that make it shine. It's becoming my favorite drama this year. :D

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"But, can we discuss for a moment how charming is the “evil” 3rd husband Mr. Lee?"

Most of the time I want to punch Ji-sang in the face and do nothing but yell at him, but then there are moments when I kind of want to hold him close and tell him how the world isn't as cynical a place as he thinks it is.

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Awwww beni :) I guess LJS is the classic K-drama cold chaebol. He needs Hye- Soo from Marriage Contract to melt his frozen heart.

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beni! LOL!

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Here I am. I was totally impressed with the entry of Mr. Lee and that Background Music. He brought some seriousness into a lighthearted office drama.

His presence and actions and worldview made sense. The dry winds of real life changed Mr. Lee's idealism and very similar to the way Chief Ok Da Jung lost Trust in others.

Stats don't lie. Mathematics give definite answers. Money is always limited. You have no scope of miscalculations there hence you are less vulnerable.

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'There are three types of lies - lies, damned lies, and statistics.' ;)

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Lies Keep Society intact, isn't it?
And Statistics rule the world. We live in quite a sketchy world.

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*pressing the disagree button on the lies question*

Not sure how stats rule the world... I have come to realise from the various back-and-forths in the thread that you have a rather dim view of humanity. To each their own! But, what's with the stats?

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ahh comeon who in the world not speak lies? And even makes excuses of white and black lies.

It's common sense and here 1 article for you from my bookmarks http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/07/white-lies-keep-society-intact

Government policies are based on stats. Without Statistic Not much of modern world can even work Especially Financial world.

I'm realist and believe in facts. If it looks rather cynic to someone then that must be it.

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Thanks for the article - will look it up.

But no, I still won't accept this brand of realism, the status quo-ist position. You are right to caution against seeing the world through rose-tinted glasses. But to not question the world-as-is =reproducing all the power hierarchies. I am glad for the non-realists who went against the "scientific facts" of the time that supported white supremacy and male dominance. Certainly makes my world better!

Catch you on the other side of episode 15.

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I'm also very impressed with the actor of Bong Gi (I don't know who he is). He's very loose, very natural on screen. Great acting from that guy.

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He's Chansung from 2pm

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Romantic developments with ODJ an NJG: I personally really like how slow and subtle the whole thing is? (Plus, I'm a sucker for slow-burn romances.)

If the drama ends with the two of them planning their marriage, I probably wouldn't like that at all because there definitely isn't enough development here for /that/, but if the end-game for these two is for them to simply start a relationship, or just hint at a relationship outside of the workplace, I'd be all for it.

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I think they'll just hint at it, or dismiss it even.

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Slow it surely is but subtle i am suspicious of.

At best it will be Implied. The see each other as Man and Woman OR
They are ready to Show Interest in Re-Marriage or having a partner in their life.

Right now both are quite adapt to their Single status and life. They are busy and have no plans to allow anyone enter their life.
The best will be them feeling like yup they can again Love.

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Ms Temper is a non-traditional character, she is much more knight in shining armor than damsel in distress. Because of this expecting a traditional romance is a mistake. She is actually looking for her squire, not her next husband. Aside, from training to be a knight a squires job was to support and protect the knight. The squire would guard the knight's back and carry the knight's banner into battle. We know that her first and second marriages failed because her husbands did not guard her back. She has made it very clear that actions speak louder than words. Romantic gestures are a waste of time and dating would be too time consuming.

Over the last several episodes, Nam Jung Gi has become her squire. She fights and he guards, protects and supports her. She is the brains and strength of character and the Nam men are her foot soldiers and supporters. When Jung Gi turned down the money, that was also a true and sincere romantic declaration. Woo Joo was the first to figure out that her scoldings were actually how Ms Temper showed affection. Ms Temper seems to scold Jung Gi quite a lot.

I chuckled, when I read your comment about "planning their marriage". That would never happen. Instead, Ms Temper would direct Jung Gi to be at the court house during lunch time. They would be married, have lunch and back to work in less than an hour.

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Mmmm, yes and no... I agree that she is strong and a natural leader. Her ex-husbands wanted sort of a trophy wife and she was not the type so they had problems. What is clear is that she would be happy with someone that does not want to cut her wings, allows her independence and supports her.
That being said, strong women also like romance. It's just that they complement better with someone that looks for a partner and not a follower.
The proof is that she married several times. We have seen for example how the problems with one husband started with her promotion and how he felt threatened by her success and was concerned about she having affairs with superiors in order to get it. If he just had accepted that and been happy for her, maybe the divorce wouldn't have happened. A bit more of trust and self-esteem on the husband side and that problem would not have arisen.
She is the protector and serious type, but also has a soft heart inside. Not sure what you mean with "expecting traditional romance", but I would love to see any hints for a love life in the future for both our leads (preferably together). :D
I like how warm and good person NJK is, the only thing for me to buy the possibility for romance is that he has to show that he has enough self-esteem to handle her and be happy by her side. Does he have what it takes? ;)

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Loved episode 14! So many heart-warming and fun moments. *spoiler* WJ and ODJ decide to break up and remain friends *spoiler ends*

I wish the first husband finally finds happiness. He's been such a quite but important presence for ODJ.

... and, now the wait begins for the finale weekend when ODJ and team will take Gold and L Partners down down down!! Hwaiting team ODJ!

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1st husband was always there for Ok Da Jung and that whole scene was one of the best part of their relationship. Now We can say everything is settled and solved with 1st husband

2nd Husband gone . Mother issues some sort of solved . 1st Husband issue solved.
This time 3rd Husband is getting angry. Let's see what happens next.

They will play Hero Card again. Hero team united and assembled and facing the Opposition.
Quite Cliche and at times annoying it is. I just hope they come up with some sort of realistic solution.

Storyline around the business has fall apart but we can only hope for something more sensible in next 2 episodes.

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I feel for Manager Ji too, he is one character arc that is consistent from beginning to end. I think all this time he has been trying to make up for his mistake that cost him the divorce. Chief Ok offering the hug was a sweet moment. Maybe he really needs to get kicked out of Gold so he can move on and have a fresh start. Or maybe he'll move to Lovely :D

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He has been kicked out of Gold, right? That's what the security was for, isn't it?

And yeah, that scene/the hug was the sweetest - a gentle good-bye to the lost opportunity that was their romantic relationship. Hope husband one comes to term with it.

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It also shows Ok Da Jung really cares about 1st & 3rd Husband and Genuinely wants to see the happy.

There might be some bad feelings with 3rd Husband and their is Clear conflict of Beliefs but in the end They still care for each other. They all are so indulged into their own ideas that they forget this simple thing.

Manager Ji is one the most interesting and consistent character throughout the show. He isn't doing a came here. He is in each and every episode and He actually gets some Real Character Development and growth.

I think getting away from all Negetivity will do good for him and He Deserved to be Fired.
It's good Director Kim didn't handed him over to police.

This is why meeting with 3rd Husband not makes much sense. Except for the quote on Honesty.

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Yea, he was kicked out so I thought he might go to Paris and fall in love and forget Ok Da jung, but apparently he can't let go of both Gold and Chief Ok, ahaha. It's cute how he wanted to go to Lovely coz people there are having much fun. Glad he has his own happy ending.

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Have just finished watching ep 14, and glad to see this week ends with a positive note.
Am loosing steam with this show since the last few weeks, was so invested in the beginning (waiting for 1 a.m. just to check the raw) but the middle become too repetitive, plus the characters become so fickle I don't feel like rooting for them anymore.
But still love the OTP for being true to who they are, and getting better because their interaction with each other. Chief Ok really needs a bit of Nam family mess to make her life more enjoyable and less punishing, and the meek Nam boys can sure use a roaring lioness. Totally dig Chief Ok dissing the bad mother in the playground!
No longer rooting for any romance (except maybe Abbuji and cooking grandma), now is more invested in seeing Lovely kicking Gold's asses!

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I understand you. Same happened with me and right now i'm feeling a bit of annoyed too.
I like my shows to be simple and sensible and with all this business Chaos we have lost that harmony.

That random brought up of issues and then wrapping them without solution and then we have mostly entered into Hero Worship scenario.

Characters have become thin skin and their traits can be easily count on fingers.

Nam family is males family and a female's entry really changed things for them. This is actually a common Plot in many of Asian shows and you can easily find it in Manga.

Chief Ok Da Jung routine was changed for better after becoming a neighbour of Nam Family.

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Have decided to let go of high expectation and just enjoy the rest of the episodes, hehe. Tho it have plot holes, it's still a lot less hole-y than some, so it's still a very enjoyable show.
I'm with you in wanting a how to be simple and sensible, unfortunately we rarely get 'em, especially in a romcom drama. You might want to try Ex-Girlfriend Club, it's a witty show with unique plot & coherent story, tho they cut the episodes so maybe don't even have time to make holes...

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I loved ep 14 too!

The last few episodes felt sort of rushed and inconsistent to me for the same reasons that others have pointed out here. But this ep was absolutely amazing. It seemed like we saw all the characters and everything moving forward FINALLY.

-Chief Ok leaving and the employees, led by NJG, taking the initiative to stand up against the biggest temptation (and threat) they've ever faced in their careers. Truly full circle from the beginning, when they willingly sacrificed all their pride for a paycheck. Now they understand the value of taking pride in their work, their products, and their company, and are willing to fight for those things. So great :)

-President Jo finally coming to his senses, thoroughly chastened and beaten down. He had been a shallow and foolish character for most of the show, and it was good that he finally recognizes that now.

-Closure between the 1st ex and ODJ. Now we know that he kept feeding ODJ info and betraying Director Kim over and over because of his ongoing guilt over believing Director Kim's lies about ODJ and thus ruining their marriage. He lost his job and ODJ hugged him...quite a moving scene.

-Bong Gi finally maturing and accepting the realities of work life, and NJG having faith that he will be successful.

-Last but not least, Woo Joo's "reconciliation" with ODJ and ODJ's  slam of the rude mom. ODJ in a Sailor Moon costume...legendary.

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So which conflicts need to be resolved in the last two episodes?

1. Lovely needs to be rescued
2. Director Kim needs to be punished
3. Third husband needs to understand
4. President needs Lovely to be rescued AND some yoga classes
5. Nam Jun-gi just needs to be himself
6. Ok Da Jung just needs to be herself
7. Park Daeri needs some more years of reflecting on life and stuff
8. Miri hopefully doesn't need anymore tissues
9. Nam Bongi needs to be ... well?
10. Deputy Han, grandpa and grandson all seem already to be quite fine.

Let's just save the lovely ship from sinking and all is well, I would say.

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Been following this drama quite fervently this weekend. Trying my best to catch up to episode 14. Still on episode 12. Love the depictions especially of the working mom story. Hits home as now an adult child whose mum was a working mum throughout my childhood. And my mum is thoroughly an angel for being able to raise me into a well functioning adult while maintaining the household with a husband/father who does not give a helping hand like in most societies in Asia.

This is essentially a workplace drama and really liking all the issues being brought to forefront with all the bribery and entertaining things. These are things usually still happening in some Asian countries which are struggling to eradicate.

The leads are doing a great job and so far the supporting actors.

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Working women trying to balance work and family facing hostility from uncooperative husband and mother-in-law is one the crucial point of story and we all liked it.

Nam Jung Ki faces similar issue and larger part of the story concentrates on it time to time

And Solution? Bong Ki the babysitter for 1 day. Yes, 1 day and problem is solved. Completely wrapped the issue. Like it never was an issue to begin with. Let's clap.

You are quite Judgemental on Asia and asian societies forgetting that 1st world nations face the same issues in more matured form. West isn't some fairyland where everyone is honest and have high morals.

At least everyone must read how Corruption is defined by United Nations

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Seven hours per day for Deputy Han, says her new contract.

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Any other show similar to this one? any recommendations?

After reading reviews i have chosen 2 better quality shows:
1. My Lawyer, Mr. Jo
2. Misaeng aka Incomplete Life
and both are based on a manga. Seems like both are Seinen.

Anyone?

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I support Misaeng. It's is awesome (my fav. drama), it's similar because of the work related theme more than anything.

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Has anyone watch the latest episode? I couldn't stop laughing about the Sailormoon bit, kept rewinding backwards to watch it over and over again!! ??

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After reading more of the comments from beanies frequently suggesting how good this drama is I've given it a try. So far only onto episode four but damn Ms Temper is amazing.

It's funny because I never imagined myself liking work themed dramas. I always thought I'd be into more romantic comedy etc but once I entered the workforce the reality really hits you hard. Watching these type of dramas provide a alternative work-escape-reality. It's interesting to see bits of yourself in many of the characters in the show.

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EPISODES 15/16 TODAY/TOMORROW

Note: Because this single post covers the entire length of the drama, I thought it might be helpful to mark when each set of episodes was released.

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Episode 15 Rocks...

The breakfast scene was AWESOME!

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