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Oh Hae-young Again: Episode 9

Loving another person means more than just caring for them — at times it can mean letting them go for their own happiness. But is it right to make such a decision on someone else’s behalf, without their knowledge or consent, and is it really for their own good if it causes even more heartache?

 

 
EPISODE 9: “The wind blew in his heart”

Do-kyung experiences yet another vision, of himself grappling with a furious Hae-young. She’s screaming and attacking him, and he has to physically pin her against a wall to make her stop. Being so close, and with tensions running high, he succumbs to temptation and kisses her.

Still stinging from Do-kyung’s rejection, Hae-young goes to work overcompensating, greeting everyone in a voice that’s too shrill and too perky. She even holds the elevator for the other Hae-young and greets her cheerfully — and honestly, it’s kind of terrifying.

Everyone in the office get the results from their physicals and report their metabolic ages, and Hae-young gapes to see that hers is forty-one. But when she hears that a game later will give an advantage to the person with the highest age, her competitive spirit kicks in and she gets excited.

Mom is busy threatening Tae-jin’s mother on the phone, ready to get naked and go beat the crap out of her son (why she strips when she’s angry I don’t know, but it’s hilarious). She refuses his mother’s suggestion that they try to get Tae-jin and Hae-young back together, and Dad looks ready to back her up if needed.

There’s some sort of office party later, where everyone’s metabolic ages are announced. Hae-young is sure she’ll win, but she loses out by one measly year to Soo-kyung. And to add insult to injury, the other Hae-young’s metabolic age is only twenty-one.

As the “youngest” she’s asked to sing, and all the men cheer while our Hae-young and Soo-kyung both pout. Our Hae-young gets a little too drunk and hollers for her to shush right in the middle of her song, which makes the boss angry, and he forbids our Hae-young to talk anymore without his permission. Not that she obeys.

Sung-jin’s metabolic age is forty-three, and when Soo-kyung catches him giggling at her age, she invites him in a honey-sweet voice to talk banmal with her. Don’t fall for it, it’s a trap!

Our Hae-young just sits glaring at the other Hae-young (who’s calling her “unni,” which makes me want to slap her), and she orders her to change her name. “I’m going to be the only Oh Hae-young in this world!” She decides that the other Hae-young’s new name can be Bit-na (Sparkle), and assures her nastily that she’s not just saying this because they’re playing a game — she means it.

Hae-young grows genuinely angry, drawing the attention of her coworkers. She mutters that the other Hae-young is sly, wondering why she came back after dumping Do-kyung like she did. Voice rising, she says that Hae-young should have stayed hidden after doing what she did.

She’s screaming by the time she gets to, “Why did you do it??” The other Hae-young turns it around on her and quietly asks why our Hae-young canceled her wedding the day prior. Oh crap, our Hae-young forgot about that in her anger and drunkenness, that she’s accusing the other Hae-young of doing what everyone else thinks she also did.

Do-kyung’s excessive perfectionism angers a veteran actor when he insists on re=recording a scene’s vocals, and the actor confronts him. Do-kyung stands his ground, insisting the actor’s pronunciation isn’t good enough, and his employee has to drag him out before fists start swinging.

He takes a call from the other Hae-young, who’s canceling their ping-pong date for today. She chirps that she has the youngest metabolic age out of the whole office, unaware that our Hae-young is in a stall listening in. Then she goes on to tell our Hae-young’s age of forty-one, and now I really want to slap her.

She tells Do-kyung about our Hae-young ordering her to change her name like it’s an amusing anecdote and not something our Hae-young feels strongly about, and luckily Do-kyung ends the call there. Our Hae-young sits in the stall horrified, having heard her rival revealing her innermost insecurities to the man who just rejected her.

We see in flashback that our Hae-young had been bullied in school for having the same name as a popular girl, including vicious beatings. Nobody had cared when she’d gotten hurt falling down the stairs, because she was the “wrong” Hae-young.

Now she storms out of the bathroom stall absolutely furious, and screams right into the middle of the party. She calls the other Hae-young out, ready to beat her to a pulp, shrieking that she’ll let go of all her grudges if she can squash her, just once.

She actually charges at the other Hae-young and clutches at her, but Soo-kyung jumps up onto the table and knocks heads with our Hae-young. Our Hae-young passes out cold, so Soo-kyung and the other Hae-young take her to Soo-kyung’s house, since Do-kyung knows where she lives

Do-kyung comes to take her home, though she’s yelling that she’s supposed to go to her parent’s house. She bites Do-kyung’s hand and takes off, only to immediately crash into a wall, hee. Do-kyung has to practically hogtie her to get her into his car, but he finally manages it.

The other Hae-young tries to cozy up to Soo-kyung, calling her “unni,” and getting corrected to “Director Park” right away. Jin-sang sees them out the window and calls Joon over to see the other Hae-young, then stomps outside determined to kill her right here and now. It doesn’t last long, and he’s struck dumb by the pretty and her trilling “Oppa!”

Next up is Hoon, who also falls victim to the other Hae-young’s charms even though his actual girlfriend is right there. Not that that matters, as An-na even goes a little starry-eyed by Hae-young’s looks.

Soo-kyung orders the whole sorry lot of them back inside, but they’re still there when Do-kyung drives back up with Hae-young still in the back seat. Haha, he just heaves a sigh and drives away again. When Jin-sang realizes that Do-kyung is trying to get Hae-young back to her place, he ushers everyone inside.

Do-kyung stops for some medicine for Hae-young’s scraped knee, but she’s still passed out. His hand shakes when he reaches to apply the ointment for her, nervous to touch her bare skin, and he ends up chickening out. He covers her bare legs with his jacket and looks at her face for a moment, and remembers his vision of her face right before he kissed her — she’d had a split lip.

He answers a call from the other Hae-young, who’s waiting at his house for him to come home. When he says he’s at the office she offers to come there, so he goes back to his house, without our Hae-young. Where is she?

The other Hae-young tells Do-kyung what happened at the party, and she says that it seems like Soo-kyung is protecting our Hae-young. Do-kyung just says he needs to get back to the studio, so the other Hae-young gives him his ping-pong paddle and asks when he’s going to meet with her.

Do-kyung doesn’t think this is a good idea, and explains that he understands why she left him, so that’s enough. He doesn’t feel the need to leave things on good terms, but Hae-young presses the issue, so Do-kyung just leaves without saying more.

Our Hae-young wakes up in a fancy hotel room, just barely remembering being led here. She waits until she hears someone enter the room, ready to fight anyone who wants to hurt her, but it’s just Do-kyung with more medicine. When she sees him, she screams, “I almost jumped out the window!!” HA.

Do-kyung is in no mood, and he explains that he only brought her here to avoid his family, not to sleep with her like she thinks. Hee, she’s disappointed, and cutely asks if they can do it just once. He looks tempted for one moment, then tosses the medicine at her and leaves the room.

He storms right back to tell Hae-young that she’d only be embarrassed if they slept together here, and yells at her to get her life straight. She was so drunk she didn’t even remember who brought her here.

Instead of going home, the two drive to the river and watch the sunrise. Hae-young breaks the news that she’s moving back home, feeling weird about living next door to the guy who rejected her. She reminds Do-kyung that he said he’d pay the security deposit, and he just says it will take a little time.

Jin-sang asks Soo-kyung over breakfast (in French, ha) if she’s gone to see her ex yet. They have a whole argument in French, in front of Hoon while he just looks like a confused puppy, until finally Soo-kyung slams off into her bedroom.

Despite her objections, Soo-kyung does screw up her courage to call her ex later. They meet on an overpass, and HAHA, this is the guy she’s been pining over so hard? They walk without saying a word, and go to their favorite restaurant.

Jin-sang is having a difficult time finding a place to spend the night with his married honey, and he reluctantly agrees to take her to his place. But her husband is there waiting for them with an ax, and soon Jin-sang finds himself stripped to his skivvies at his mother’s front door.

When she answers, he screams at her to shut the door, mostly so she can’t see the sign that’s been tied to him saying “I’ve messed around with a married woman. How have you raised your son?” HAHA.

He goes back to Do-kyung’s place to get drunk and dance with his reflection in the mirror. Soo-kyung comes home as drunk and disheveled as always, and says that the ex has moved on with his life. Jin-sang invites her to join him, and they decide to drink until at they pass out. This sounds like a Very Bad Idea.

Definitely bad, but highly amusing. They drink, and dance, and invent weird circus-like tricks, then drink some more. Okay, it’s just looking painful at this point. And so, inevitably, they end up in a naked tangle of arms and legs in bed together.

Soo-kyung wakes first and does the Crawl of Shame back to her own room. Jin-sang doesn’t seem to remember anything, and wonders why she’s acting weird when she scuttles past him on her way to work. The horror of it all finally hits Soo-kyung at work, and she kicks everyone out of her elevator so she can scream in peace.

Tae-jin’s mother vents to him about Hae-young’s mother blasting her, while Tae-jin tries to hold his temper and fails. He’s furious that his mother went to Hae-young’s mom without talking to him first, and he orders her not to do anything else, just stay quiet until she goes back to the States.

He goes back to his place and nearly calls Hae-young, but can’t bring himself to do it. He remembers a waiter telling him that the best way to break up with a woman was to tell her she smells bad. He’d refused to do that, so the waiter had suggested he say that he can’t stand the way she eats.

Tae-jin had gone with it, and now he regrets ever saying it. He does send Hae-young a text asking why she told her parents the truth of their breakup, which she doesn’t answer. She thinks to herself that it was because she wanted to cry, just once.

Tae-jin is waiting when Hae-young gets off work, and he offers to take her to eat. Hae-young smiles wryly, wondering how she could possibly eat in front of him, and says that she doesn’t want to see him again after this.

He gets scared seeing her walk away, and blurts out, “I was in jail! I was arrested the day after we broke up.” The truth is that he could have gotten arrested during their wedding, and it would have destroyed her family, so he broke up with her to avoid that. He knew she would have waited if she knew the truth, so he had to make sure she really would accept the breakup.

Tae-jin’s mouth quivers and his voice is weak as he says he’s sorry, and Hae-young breaks down. She flings off his comforting hand and walks away, shaking with sobs. She wails all the way to her parents’ house, and screams out the whole story to her shocked parents. “He did it because he wanted me to be happyyyyy!!

She has a good cathartic cry while Mom hugs her, saying that she already knows her daughter is wonderful and precious. Dad asks why Tae-jin was arrested but Mom just barks at him Who cares?? Mom and daughter cry together, both relieved that she wasn’t truly rejected.

Do-kyung spends the evening haunting the street outside his place, hoping Hae-young will come home. He even hangs out in her apartment, and almost texts her to ask if she’s coming home tonight.

He ends up listening to the recordings of her talking to herself on the night their situations were switched, and she’d waited up for him to come home. His mouth quirks up just a little when he finds a recording of her calling him “honey” for the benefit of a deliveryman, betraying how much he likes the sound of it. He stays up all night, listening to Hae-young’s voice.

Hae-young stays at her parents’ all night, and in the morning Tae-jin calls her to say he’s coming over. Mom says absolutely not — whatever his reasons, dumping her the day before their wedding wasn’t right.

Do-kyung finally shows up for ping-pong with the other Hae-young, but she doesn’t win as easily as she used to. She thinks he’s gotten better, but Do-kyung says he hasn’t played since they broke up. He refuses her offer of a meal, and says that he won’t be coming here again.

He tells her that he’s really okay, and could even smile and greet her happily if they met on the street, just like she says she wants. He thanks her for making the first overture, but any more than this would be strange.

On the drive home he finally calls our Hae-young, and says, “Let’s go home.” he pulls up to her parents’ house and says he has something to tell her, and he almost smiles when she comes running… but his smile fades when Tae-jin follows her out.

Tae-jin gets in his car to leave, and instead of talking to Hae-young, Do-kyung leaves. This time it’s his turn to be rear-ended, but when he gets out of his car, there’s nobody behind him and his car isn’t damaged. But he’s hurt, and he bends over double, clutching his abdomen in pain.

A sound of screeching car tires, a loud crash, and Do-kyung finds himself lying in the street covered in blood. He wakes up later at home in his own bed, and goes straight to his therapist. Dr. Park has a sudden realization — he thinks he knows why Do-kyung is having these visions.

We don’t hear what he tells Do-kyung, who runs into Hae-young on his walk home. She says she’s going to start moving her things out today, but Do-kyung won’t even speak to her. She asks what he wanted to tell her last night, but all he says is that he’s got the deposit money ready.

When she asks if he’s mad, Do-kyung just asks in turn if Hae-young is dating Tae-jin again. She confirms that she is, which makes Do-kyung angry, to see her run back to the man who dumped her. She spits back that he forgave the other Hae-young after she broke his heart, but he says that at least Hae-young had a good reason besides her own pride.

Hae-young knows that Tae-jin values his pride over her, but right now, she just needs a man, any man. Even if he’s one who rejected her, she needs him to keep her from throwing herself at Do-kyung.

Do-kyung walks away, and Hae-young screams after him that he’s a coward. She chases him and starts thwacking him with her purse, re-enacting his vision to the detail. Do-kyung tries to stop her and she pushes back at him, fighting wildly, until he has to grab her and lift her off the ground to make her stop.

She bites his hand and when he lets go, she goes after him again. He yells and she stops, but when he turns away, she hits him again. He pins her against a wall in an attempt to calm her down, and in the scuffle she splits her lip — another vision. Do-kyung finally gets her to stop struggling, and they stare at each other, panting.

It’s a charged moment on all levels, and Do-kyung finally lets himself give in to temptation, and he kisses Hae-young passionately. She’s right there with him, kissing him back just as desperately, and his hands are everywhere as he drops his face into her neck.

But Do-kyung suddenly remembers where he is and that he has no right to do this, and he backs away, leaving Hae-young confused. Wordlessly, he picks up his jacket and leaves her standing there.

We back up to his conversation with Dr. Park, and now we see the tears in Do-kyung’s eyes as the doctor looks at him. Whatever he sees in the doctor’s expression scares him to death.

COMMENTS

Wow. Even knowing what was coming, that kiss was powerful. It’s been building up for a long time now, and it was so intimate that it was hard to watch, like we were actually seeing a private moment between two people that we weren’t meant to see. I’m glad for Hae-young’s sake that she now has confirmation that Do-kyung does feel something for her, but I actually think he did the right thing in walking away. There are still too many secrets between them, and too much to be resolved before they can even think about being together.

Until now, I’ve been willing to give the other Hae-young the benefit of the doubt that she’s really a nice person who just doesn’t know how to relate to people other than by going overboard to please them. I figured her family life stunted her emotional growth, and she’s just innocently unaware of when she hurts someone, because she has good intentions. That’s what I was thinking. But now I’m starting to see that her little “innocent” comments aren’t so innocent, and I think she has a hidden agenda. I do think she was terribly hurt by Do-kyung’s mother’s words and by that recording, but that’s about all I’m giving her credit for at this point.

I did believe the other Hae-young when she said she just wanted to end things on good terms with Do-kyung, but when she started telling him private things about our Hae-young, I no longer believe that. Now I think that her doe-eyed facade is just an act, to give herself plausible deniability if anyone accuses her of playing dirty, she can just pretend she hadno idea her comments were hurtful. I think she knows exactly what she’s doing, and I think she’s angling to get Do-kyung back. She angled for more date-like plans the very first time Do-kyung showed up to play ping-pong – there’s no way this girl doesn’t have an ulterior motive.

I’m actually glad to see our Hae-young reaching her low point, especially when it comes to the other Hae-young. She’s got a lot of unresolved anger and anxiety left over from their school years, which she’s been squashing down for all this time. Her bravado masks a deep inferiority complex, and having the object (if not the aggressor) of so many years of mistreatment just for sharing the same name as someone more pretty and more popular suddenly pop up in her life and seemingly take away the man she likes is just too much. In a way, it’s good that our Hae-young finally snap ped, because now she can start to heal and rebuild her own self-worth.

To that end, I’m ready for Tae-jin to re-enter the story in a significant way, so that Hae-young can deal with her issues and move on. Do-kyung has been able to do that (though his “issue” can’t seem to leave him alone now) and I want Hae-young to get that same opportunity. I don’t think her crush on Do-kyung as it stands now is healthy, because she’s still got nagging issues surrounding Tae-jin’s rejection, so in a way it’s good that Do-kyung rejected her. Like I said before, they both need to step back, deal with their problems, and wrap up their past entanglements before either of them is ready to enter into a new relationship. Maybe once all that’s done, they can be together, but not as their lives are now.

I do think Do-kyung is further along in this process than Hae-young, though he’s still got to deal with his visions, and figure out why he’s having them exclusively about Hae-young. I’m scared of whatever Dr. Park thinks is wrong, because something about the visions, and the escalating side-effects Do-kyung is experiencing, are getting dangerous. He’s having physical as well as mental symptoms, and the fact that he seemed to pass out in the street and wake up at home in bed are downright scary. Whatever is wrong, please just don’t let it be something terminal… Do-kyung and Hae-young have been through enough, they deserve some happiness!

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OMG Thanks for the recap. It's my first time commenting on dramabeans because of this drama. THAT KISS! WAS POWERFUL OMG. I watched OHYA for Eric but I end up falling for Seo Hyun Jin ?

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Can stations use this kiss as a tutorial session for all actors who intend to do a kiss scene? I'll wager my money that if they do, the ratings drought will end.

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How to make out the right way should be the title of the video haha

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Omg. Another Oh Hae Young, daebak. TvN, mansae!!!!

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Yessssss!!!!!!!

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So, they should invite Eric Mun and Seo Hyun Jin as their tutor. And of course their direct demonstrations will give better results. lol.

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this should be exhibit 1, under case study: Oh hae Young have done IT!.. whereby every OTP should try to top this kiss.

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When I'm reading your comments guys, I was like Oh My God you sinful people!
That's a great idea! Lol

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Kisses done right by Eric!

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You made my day !! Thanks !! I can't agree more.
We need more real kisses not that thing they do as if they were just some random pieces of paper bonded by glue.

I haven't even watched the video yet but the cap made me shiver. I can't even imagine what it is to watch it in live. My heart will make some loops, i am sure.

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Pretty much the norm for cable dramas geared more to adults (and this is nothing compared to the make-out session in INR2012 - which was the 1st ep to boot).

The kiss here was reminiscent of the one in "Coffee Prince" - but public stations have to be more reserved w/ this sort of thing.

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I hear you. But for some reason, I never connected with INR 2012 and felt almost nothing from the make out sessions (don't get me wrong, they were anything but tame) but they didn't have the same resonance. And I feel like even Cable has been relatively tame nowadays.

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Nope. INR2012 didn't give any feelings like Oh Hae Young drama give. It just like they smooch because PD asked them to do lol.

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NOOOO!!!! I Need Romance 2012 kisses is nothing compare to this drama. INR 2012 never gave me butterfly feelings. And I don't like the leads characters in INR.

Please don't compare this drama with I Need Romance. This drama is HUGE.

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Oh no...please don't compare I Need Romance 2012 with this drama. I hate the female lead character to death and none of the characters were my favorite.

Yes in INR 2012 had many skinships, but I felt nothing. The actors were lack of emotions. But I got so much feels watching Oh Hae Young.

They should casted Eric and Seo Hyun Jin instead and I'm sure INR 2012 would be HUGE like Another Oh Hae Young.

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Overall, INR2012 had better writing - in particular, the supporting characters (girlfriends) - and esp. the 2nd male lead played by none other than Kim Ji-seok (maybe the best 2nd male lead character in a K-drama and performed so winningly by KJS).

KJS's character in INR2012 is just so better written.

Also, liked the girlfriends in INR2012 and even the Jr. writer who makes a move on Lee Jin-wook's character.

None of them were wacky, over-the-top annoying characters like in OHYA.

There were actually fun (due to the writing) moments btwn the girlfriends, Jung Yumi's and KJS's characters (as the new romance) and even btwn the JY's and Lee Jin-wook's characters (when they weren't fighting).

Was for the kissing scenes - was talking more about the physicality than anything else.

Of course, the emotional impact in OHYA was going to be greater as Do-kyung had been fighting his feelings and OHA had pretty much given up on him after having been rejected - whereas in INR2012, they were beyond a bickering married couple - having been 1st loves, so we saw their relationship at a totally different stage.

Speaking of JY's character, can see why some thought she was "annoying", but she was meant to be when it came to LJW's character.

But that's the same criticism that people had of SHJ's character in LE2 - but likewise she had a reason to act like she did towards Yoon Doo-joon's character - but neither were bad people, just had issues/flaws (which made them more like real people).

Speaking of JY, like Eric's character in DoL better as well.
Yes, that character has his flaws as well, but he had something else (such as charming moments) as well.

Here, the character of Do-kyung has been nothing but gloomy except for maybe 1-2 occasions.

Can totally see why he would have fallen for OHY#1 - who can actually bring some excitement to his life (unlike his fiancee, OHY#2 who tried to be the "perfect" GF).

The writing for OHYA is average at best (really can't think of any memorable lines), but Seo Hyun-jin's performance is worth watching it alone.

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I Need Romance 2012 was nothing other than annoying romance with the two timer female lead. The main actor was pretty bland and not good at comic roles.

In my opinion Oh Hae Young Again is HUGE compare to this series. The writing, the acting, the cinematography even the OTSs are superb (in fact, almost OSTs of this drama doing well in several music charts in Korea).

Oh Hae Young Again has two phenomenon lead actors who can act even without skinships. Not to mention that Eric did very great job in his 'silnet actings' with his eyes. And I think Seo Hyun Jin is more natural actress compare to Jung Yu Mi. I always find Jung Yu Mi more annoying than funny in her roles.

So, please don't compare this drama with I Need Romance series.

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I Need Romance 3 was very good though.

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Yes! That KISS! It was so hot that I peer over my bed only to see my husband snoring away. Dammit.

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LOL

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Same over here lol

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God bless cable.

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This kiss is huge, like it was sheer force, but oh so passionate.

They hugged and I am just a puddle of mush.

Holy cow Eric. The man has game.

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Eric has been always perfect in kissing e.g. see his first elevator kiss in Que sera sera. But this kiss was very intimate and intens.The way his hands were touching OHY waist was super hot. I wish this will become a new kdrama kissing trend.

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WHAT WAS THAT KISS?????????

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An industry-wide apology for all of the sterile, bug-eyed fish-kisses they've made us endure over the years? Full body contact! Reciprocation! Hands on the small of the girl's back! Gasping! Neck-nuzzling! Full embrace! A fricking wall!

Please make this a trend, dramaland. Please.

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THAT HUG. That hug just turned everything from a moment of senseless passion to one of vulnerability and relief and I loved it.

I swear if he had just pulled away after kissing her, I would have felt much more frustrated at him. But that heartbreaking squeeze he gave made all the difference.

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This exactly. The hug was what finished me off - it was a lovely way to show just how much he craved her presence and closeness. It's absolutely gorgeous.

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Crave is a great word use when describing how he kisses her. It's like he is is a thirsty man and she is a well. The way he wants her is so base and primal and she is always inviting him to drink of her and be filled. I love that she cares for him without holding back and I want him to do the same. But the sadness of their story is they he is guilty of "ruining" her wedding. I find myself having mixed feelings about that though. It's always in the back of my mind that it a super huge red flag that Tae Jin did not tell her the truth of why he broke up with her. So maybe it's a good thing that they didn't get married... Anyway, I hope that is resolved soon cause I want to see more kisses!!!!

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One passionate, truly-reciprocated kiss >>>>>>>>>>> all the multiple cuts and angles, eardrum-shattering OSTs (thank you to the PD/editors here for choosing an OST that isn't actually competing to make itself heard over the kiss and actually goes with the scene) and fancy camerawork every other drama up till now has used to signify the momentousness of a kiss.

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that was the best part even, like no loud obnoxious music swelling in the BG or constant replays and 360 camera spins and eleventy diff angle shots going THIS IS THE KISS!!!
like even a good kiss an be ruined with that cheesy and OTT nonsense. (altho it makes a mediocre kiss look utterly ridiculous haha. all that fanfare for a peck on the lips???)

but this was so raw and sensual and intense. i was like fanning my self and after i needed several cups of cold water. most of which i poured over my head. NE WAY. what a good scene.

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Lol , bug-eyed fish kisses.. (park shin hye kiss) Its soe hyun jin should be given the credit..

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AMEN!

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Your comment ?

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Miranda, I'm completely on board with you! :D It's like we've been cheated of so much all these years!

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I think nobody can ever forget this kissing scene like ever. THE REVOLUTION OF THE KISSING SCENE OF KDRAMA. ALL HAIL TVN!

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TvN has done longer kiss scenes.

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"An industry-wide apology"
Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!! :o

Well said!!!!

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I'm mentally going through all the open-eyed, limp arms, fish-in-a-bowl look type kisses we have had to endure ... in every freaking drama

I can count on one hand the dramas that convey passion well

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Even worse, with one finger.

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One finger? Oh man. XD
Luckily there are also at least a handful of good kdrama kisses that pops into my head (mostly cable dramas of course :-P )

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Marriage Contract also had a GREAT one!!!
How often do we get to see the woman's arms go up around the man's neck and shoulders right away????????? This was perfection!

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Marriage Contract came to mind as well as Oh My Ghostess! The latter had me swooning :)

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... coffee prince was pretty damn good on the kiss department too. And that scene when she came to his apartment... real passion between adults!

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Eric give great kisses in Que Sera Sera and Discovery of Romance too.

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the kiss in QSS was a lil too rough for me tbh. also he looked like he was trying to eat her face. it was in character for the drama and stuff but yeah. now his DoR kiss, i did like. i liked all of that drama. im still surprised at how many ppl DIDNT like it.

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Dicovery of Love is my most favorite kdrama ever and the only one I can watch many times. People didn't like it because the story is so real and all character are gray, no standard black and white kdrama character or prototype candy heroin.

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THE FEELING... omg!

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I loved it so much, and I'm just adding this comment so the comment count increases and that makes me happy!!! (kiss kiss yess)

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I'll join you.

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Hoo! What a kiss! Steamy doesn't even begin to cover it. This episode was another great one. Usually when characters embarass themselves I'm cringing to the point of not being able to watch. Not so with Oh Hae Young, I think it's because she owns it. She knows its not the right thing ('Just let me squash you once') but since she can't win no matter what she does, then at least be honest! I loved Soo Kyung stopping her, because I think No Hae Young was right and it was more about protecting our Oh Hae Young than protecting 'pretty'.

I like that 'Pretty' is not perfect nor is she evil, she's still angling for Do Kyung and is trying to show how much 'better' she is than our Oh Hae Young (failing of course).

Had to 'pssh' to Jin Sang and Hoon (and An Na) for falling under 'Pretty's' spell, but at least Noona is there to save the day!

Who else thought that Do Kyung was tempted in the hotel room? In fact I'd go so far as to say disappointed? Lip check - no cut, no hot make out session = damn we can't bang.

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Ooooh, Do Kyung was so tempted. I love how the drama keeps showing us how physically attracted Do Kyung is to Our Hae Young. Often dramas will diss about the heroine's looks and it kind of happens here too, by comparison with Other Hae Young. So I just love that Do Kyung loves Our Hae Young wholeheartedly, body and soul.

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There is no way anyone is dying by the end of the drama. NO WAY!! i didn't sign up for any of that-and i don't think anyone did.

and spot on about pretty hae-young not so innocent intention. i never felt sorry for her for some reason, i do feel sorry for tae-jin, but not pretty hae young. and this episode gives a perfect explanation for that. i have no problem if she wants to start again or what not with do-kyung, but to act or pretend that all she intent to do was 'to finish off on good terms' makes her no different from the stereotypical 2nd female leads. (i was literally clapping on the scene after they finish off the pingpong game)

(and i know its probably the workspace culture in korea or something, but what is up with the people in her company..arugh!!!)

with 8 episodes left, i hope the whole 'i put your fiance in jail cause i mixed up your name with my ex' drama will come to unfold soon. cause i really need to get over that angst, and watch with ease how their relationship go from there and also the do-kyung's vision

in the mean time, i'm off listening to the osts on repeat

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Those Do Kyung visions scare the hell out of me..but the writers have been pretty good with trolling us...so I'm holding on to hope that no one dies...If someone dies or is dead....I swear!!!!! I'm DONE!!!!

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(SPOILER REDACTED.)

I really hope he's not. I also did not sign up for this. I am all for dark and sad drama, but not for one with terminal illness.

I hope my feeling is not right. Just no.

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The cruel me actually repeated that scene where the other Hae Young was rejected by DK cause it felt so satisfying. I knew the other HY always has that extra intention of wanting to get back with DK, which would've been fine except that she didn't care at all about our HY even though the other HY told her they were (DK and our HY) seeing each other. It's like according to the other HY, it's her given right that DK is with her instead of with our HY.

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Powerful is right! That kiss was amazing, one of the best kisses--if not THE best--I've ever seen in a drama. These two have chemistry that is just off the charts!

I, too, agree that No Hae-young isn't as innocent as she puts across. I know people like her, the sweetest-seeming but actually oh so fake, and while I do sympathize with her regarding Do-kyung's crazy mom, I really don't like her. I almost can't stand her.

This show is just so captivating. (Already watched ep 10 because this is my current crack!) I am actually glad it got extended because it means more time with these fabulous characters. I have confidence the plot won't meander around due to the already pretty tight storytelling. Gah, can next Monday come faster?!

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I am so glad everyone recognizes the fact that we have been cheated all these years....we should boycott all FAKE KISSING K-ACTORS AND ACTRESSES and support those who give us the real deal!!!

ITS A KISS FOLKS.. you are suppose to be in love so bring it on!

I guess Eric Moon will not be on that list!!!

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now now i wouldnt go so far as to blame the actors for all the garbage kisses we get in kdramas. it can be the PDs fault too alot of the time, either in terms of direction or how they chose to film the scene. plus lbr cultural factors can play into it too and sexism. also let's not forget the Heirs thing where a male actor thinks its ok to "steal" a kiss from a female actor. (and i wish i could say thats the only time i ever heard that happening). which would ofc lead to awk or weird looking kisses.
DB should have a 10 best kdrama kisses lit sometime. there have been in other good ones, but none of them compared to this one for me cuz it was the most natural looking (plus no wacky camera angles or loud BG music) and the excellent build up to it. uwu

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The Reply Series (THE tvn show, basically) is another one with great kisses. Even with a very young Eunji in '97, there was nothing unfeeling or dead-fishy.

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I'm expecting more awesome kisses from them in each episode. Episodes 9-18 of Another Oh Hae Young will take all the slots for the "10 HOTTEST KISSES in dramaland EVER" if that's the case.

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For a second there I thought you're writing a fanfiction - that smut! Then I watched the video of the kiss, wow that was super hot!

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Omg that last scene where Dokyung walks away really made me appreciate Eric's acting.

Anyways, I really hope the writing brings about Haeyoung's "true healing" or a proper resolution to her inferiority complex rather than glossing over it by handing her a boy. In terms of the other Haeyoung.. Iunno.. I feel like the show might be pushing for the "even though the other Haeyoung is prettier and more successful, deep inside, she is just like our Haeyoung" angle..

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With this pace I have actually started to worry that the last two episodes might be a filler. And am I the only one who thought that it was a little selfish of Hae Young to think that Tae jin preferred his pride over her? I don't think that's the case, he cared about her that is why he thought it was better for her to leave him-a man who is going to be imprisoned for a very long time, rather than telling her to hang in there-that would have been selfish.

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I don't know I thought the pace went back to what it was. While episode 7 and 8 were a little too fast. So I don't have any worries.

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I agree..found episode 9 and 10 a bit to slow than the prevoius ones...

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I agree...especially with all the flashback scenes on episode 10 and still not real insight of how our Oh Hae Young and Tae Jin used to be..I think we have a clear picture of Do Kyung's relationship with Oh Hae Young "pretty" now but not much of Oh Hae Young 1 and Tae Jin's relationship

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I think they deliberately avoiding it because showing more of their moments would make do-kyung more sinful and also OHY moving forward too early... It will backfire on the story... Its safe bet by leaving it to viewers imagination...

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But if Taejin dated Our Hae Young for idk how long, but enough to want to marry her, he should know that Our Hae Young's got insecurity, especially for being a victim of bully, not popular and not pretty enough. He should know that when he says that it would just hurt her more than anyone else. He actually kinda know it that it hurts, but he still do it anyway which I think he is being really inconsiderate of her feelings.

And he seems to forget that he said it when he got out of jail and asked her to eat with him. He should think before he speak.

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THIS.

I wouldn't have problem with noble idiocy ... much ... but i hate it when someone uses the weakness of a loved one (who revealed it in confidence) to hurt/humiliate them

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I'm inferring from our OHY's comment about putting Noh Hae young in her past after hearing she left the country, that she didn't tell Tae Jin anything about her or the insecurities she faced because of her.

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well, from our point of view that is true. Though, if you're sensitive enough, you'd realized it. Like how Do Kyung knows Other Oh Hae Young insecurity of getting abandon.

A lil off the subject we are discussing. Why Our Hae Young never realize Do Kyung actually knows a lil bit too much about Taejin's situation? Like they are not friends relationship nor Our Hae Young told him before. He just said it out loud, that Taejin was bankrupt. Weird???

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Yes I caught that too...Do Kyung had a slip and mentioned Tae Jin's Bankruptcy to Oh Hae Young during the argument...I think she will recall that moment at a later time...I think in the heat of the argument it didnt register in her mind....

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A court case would be a matter of public record, so it may have been reported in the media.

I'm more concerned that NOHY's father might say something about the "favor" he did for DK, or that NOHY will hear some scuttlebutt herself.

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maybe.. but how would he knows his name or even how he looks like. lul ops, i just can't get over it.

ughhhh I swear Do Kyung has got like 1 million mistakes that he's gonna pay for it in the upcoming episodes. He just landed himself in some series of karma. ugh somebody save Our Do Kyung

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I have a feeling that maybe what Taejin and Haeyoung had wasn't as real as her connection with DK. Maybe she was never too truthful with Taejin - I mean seeing how long her hair was, she wore heels and pretty dresses with him. She also acknowledged that she thought Taejin was too good for her (just in terms of specs) - maybe she knew that and was portraying a different side of her (more reserved, feminine etc...) instead of being her true self. It seems to me that their relationship was based a lot more on comfort, they've been together for quite a while and they know each other well. It just doesn't seem like they have the same connection as HY and DK.

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Yeah, but that's a terrifying precedent in someone you're planning to marry. First he tells you you repulse him and calls off your wedding, but then down the road he doesn't tell you that the home loan defaulted, or he lost his job, or that he's got pancreatic cancer.

Tae Jin didn't actually give Hae Young a choice. He lied, he deliberately hurt her in a way that would stop her from asking questions, and he didn't trust her to make informed decisions. And he doesn't seem to regret it. That is not a guy you want to build a life with.

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Let's get one thing straight show, our OHY never loved Tae Jin. He was a first class suitor interested in her. I have been asking how she never actually fought for her relationship and this is the only answer.

Do Kyung has no right to question our OHY's decision to go back to her ex when he know the circumstances. How dare he? He's not even being upfront about his role btw. I'm finding it really hard to root for him, and this coupling because I think they are glossing over a major obstacle.

Tae Jin didn't pick his pride over her. He picked her happiness over his. Was he wrong? Absolutely. But it wasn't about his pride. It was about her.

While I think Noh Hae young is passive aggressive with the comment to Do Kyung, our OHY looked like a mean old bully at that work party. No one there knows all her high school struggles, maybe not even Noh Hae young. What was wrong with confronting Noh Hae young in the bathroom right after the phone call? I'm sorry I thought she was out of order there. And her constant battle, conversations since being rejected by Do Kyung proves that while she LOVES Do Kyung, she never felt the same way about her ex.

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I totally get that Tae-jin acted from noble motives, by not 'letting' our Hae-young throw herself away on a man who was about to go to jail..... but he lied to her, and in executing his noble idiot gamble, hurt her tremendously - and definitely far more than if he'd just told her the truth and let her make the decision for herself.

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You know I don't think you're wrong about any of your comments but I think it leaves out the motivations of our leads.

Yes, Oh Hae Young would've looked like a bully to the rest of the work party but she's already treated badly even when she doesn't do anything, simply for having the same name (and former connection) to 'Pretty' Oh Hae Young. What's the difference if she finally gets her issues off her chest? It's not actually going to change how anyone (like the boss) treat her? They already treat her terribly, so why not let her drunkeness exorcise some of the angst she has remaining about No Hae Young?

You're right about Do Kyung he has no right to get angry but that's the bittersweet point. He knows he has no right to be angry, but he's angry because he loves her and he's starting to realise it and he doesn't deserve her! It's self-hatred directed at the person causing the self-hatred. She's the person he can vent to, who else does he tell his feelings to? She can take him at his worst and vice versa. That's why they work

Anyway loved your points, just love our OTP more! :)

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Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily call Do-kyung's behavior a sign that the writer or drama as a whole is glossing over the mistakes he's still making. In fact, I think it's a testament to the great writing that I DO still root for him, even after the writer veered off the expected road I had for him.

They're going for a messy approach, but I think the reason his tragic fate awaits him is because of the mistake that he still hasn't rectified and that the show isn't done exploring the consequences he'll face for keeping this from her. We'll see...

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Agreed!

Messy is what all real relationships are. Despite the drama tropes the thing I've appreciated the most about this writer is the consistent human approach to the relationships. No one has a magic time of it. Emotions are honestly convied as complex and messy.

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Totally agree with everything you said! loving our OTP to bits<3

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@ Oshi
I do 100% agree with your comment. Messy relationship at start is very common in real love-relationship. When people are truly in love they can't always make the most moral choice. Even OHY who is very honest most of the time, cannot bring herself to tell the truth when other OHY ask about her relationship with Eric, because she's in love with him, so she pretend they are in a real relationship. That's what makes her a human. In a same way Eric cannot bring himself o tell the truth because he loves her and he doesn't want to hurt her...that what makes him a human.

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Why didn't he tell the truth its not like she was some outsider... He was about to marry her..
Saving her family reputation... That doesn't even make sense.. Her family now being accused for raising an irresponsible daughter who canceled the wedding for no reason.. If he had the guts to tell the truth.. They could have found the way out together.. And she wouldn't have been so hurt by the feeling of being dumped....
I wouldn't say his pride got the better and he did that.. He just chickened out and didn't think through the things... And the glossing over things like he did because he cared for her is covering up his mistakes..

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According to drama-verse, though...Tae Jin saying that he's saving her family reputation actually makes a lot of sense. In drama-verse, ANY mistake what so ever falls upon a person would then be blamed to any family members associated with that person. Whether it's the direct family or extended my marriage. I don't know how true it is in real Korean culture, but I think that is beyond ridiculous.

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there is some truth to it definitely re SK culture. esp since it was PRISON afterall, but he could have asked to have the wedding called off and INFORM Hae Young about why and explain in detail the situation. esp since he apparently didnt do anything wrong to be so ashamed of, and was just struck with hella bad luck (or some random man's maliciousness from his pov). like i cant believe of all he ways he coulda handled that while keeping her and her family safe. (hes not in the mafia jfc) that was the one he chose. like, he hela chickened out. and he woulda been ok letting her think he genuinely found her too gross to marry for YEARS since he thought he'd be in prison for years. im just. it makes sense to cancel the wedding and i can understand if he still wanted to break up regardless of how patient or understanding she was. but going about it like that? cmon man. i got no sympathy. and DK has his own reckoning coming for HIS actions and role in TJ's imprisonment and how that ended up effecting HY (and ofc the fact he's been lying by omission to her this whole time). but i disagree with anyone who thinks that TJ's incredibly poor handling of his situation was in any way DK or tbh anyone else's fault but his own.

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It doesn't make sense that he was protecting her family - let's be real, his family is much richer which means they would have a bigger reputation to protect. And seeing as how his own mother didn't even know he was arrested - seems more a tactic to save his own pride. I feel like OHY would've wanted a man who would be truthful in face of imprisonment.

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i think TJ truly believed at that moment he was doing what was best for HY. and probably had he a clue how much it fucked her up, he woulda come clean right away but the point is regardless of what he thought, in his heart he probably was just not wanting to look like a failure. who lost his business and went to prison. a loser. cuz lbr, why would he choose to end it by making HER feel shitty about herself? and not the other way around?

if he was too chickenshit to tell her the truth that's one thing, but he managed to pick a way to break up with her that would cause maximum hurt to her while also taking very little effort on his part. vs any other number of ways he coulda gone about it. it was just so so poorly thought out. and it came back to bite him in the butt. regardless of how HY reacts when she finds out DK is a lying liar who lies. its p clear her feelings for TJ are o-v-e-r.

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The facts are as follows: instead of telling our Hae-young that he was going to jail and letting her make the decision about whether to stay with him or leave, he told her he couldn't stand her any more, dealt a body blow to her confidence, and caused her major hurt because somehow THAT'S preferable to letting the woman you love know that you're about to go through hard times?

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he could've told her so they can talk it through. he didn't have to tell her to stay with him, just at least tell her what's going on. it makes me wonder was he afraid to tell the truth to Haeyoung because he didn't want to be the one who got dumped?
but well in the end it doesn't really matter who did wrong / wronger, it's just about being the right person and both of them are not the one for each other.

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exactly how i feel. i can totally understand wanting to put the relationship on hold or break it off. and not having the wedding prior to impending imprisonment, is just smart tbh.
but lit nothing about the way he handled it, esp in regards to Hae Young, was right or mature or respectful or thoughtful!

Also he either said that in light of knowing her insecurities and said it anyway. which yIKES. OR he had no clue about those things, in which case, they werent really that close to start with were they? both signs point to him not being the best marriage choice. even if on the surface he was perfect.

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Excuses, excuses.

How much of what Tae Jin did was based on his own fears being projected onto Our hae-Young? He knows her and claims to love her. If that is true then he would know that the worst thing he could ahve done is reject her the way he did. He chose himself over her when given the choice between being honest with the women he loves or hurting her badly to save face.

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I think Tae Jin should have told her the truth. It's her choice whether or not she decides to stay with him. So I don't see his breaking up with Hae Young as a loving act. To me he did choose his pride over her and to protect himself.

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I love that the show acknowledges that he chose his pride over HY. And that HY is shown to be fully aware with the fallacy in his reasoning. Most shows would run with the noble sacrifice motive and explore no further. Just make him a sad puppy second lead, martyred at the alter of OTP.

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I do think that he preferred his pride since he ended things to prevent her from seeing him vulnerable and reduced in jail. Yes the whole, "not wanting her to wait" thing is a factor, but ultimately he did not want the girl he loved knowing he was going to jail. Tae Jin did not have to ask her to wait, only be honest about what was going on and he couldn't do that because doing so would ultimately be his embarrassment. Instead he let her think the way she ate, something she would do for the rest of her life and an intimate act in and of itself, was repulsive and disgusting enough to be the cause of a wedding being called off. I don't know about you but that sounds pretty selfish to me.

If he didn't want to hurt her he didn't have to, but he did so, knowing fully what the alternative was - telling the truth - and choosing otherwise.

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it's probably not her being selfish. but an expression of her being desperate. i don't know.

is it 16 or 18 episode? yeah i'm also afraid of the remaining episodes. i feel like this last one revealed so much. and it feels so rushed. i hope the show doesn't disappoint.

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18! I'd like to put my trust in my dearest god of ohy writer. no disappointment pls.

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THAT ENDING! Well now the co-captain's onboard, THE SHIP IS READY TO SAIL!!!

Anyway, I really hate it when Noh Hae Young badmouthing Our Hae Young in the toilet, that is so low. I swear she always wants to take over Hae Young. I swear I had enough of her. And now Our Hae Young did good for standing up against her. And everyone else should stop worship Noh Hae Young. Having a bad family background doesn't mean you can act like this to others. I was really sad when those bullies hit Our Hae Young. UGH.

Kinda irrelevant, but when is the Jeju business trip is gonna happen? The director said a month or sth if I'm not wrong.

Moon-Seo couple row!row!row the boat!!!!

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I enjoy the complexity of Soo Kyung as well. She's got Pretty's number, and Pretty is quite astute in realizing that SK was protecting our OHY.

I wonder who Soo Kyung's father was, a French mountain goat?

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The cool part is that Soo-kyung knows what's up with Pretty, entirely separate of our HY - she was wary of her from the minute she stepped in the office, and it's genuinely not motivated by jealousy or any of the typical motives people ascribe to an older woman who dislikes a younger one.

I'm wondering about Soo-kyung and Do-hyung's male paternal unit either. With a mother like that, they'd almost have been better off raised by wolves, but they seem to have come out mostly decent human beings aside from the emotional damage.

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well sorta a spoiler but we finally get to see some of DK's dad was like (in the past) in ep 10. and a glimpse of his mom back then too. as well as some other interesting family tidbits lol.
speaking of french goats, thats what Jin Sang sounds like anytime he tries to speak french. ITS SO BAD.

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Ha, ha. I thought I was the only one who thought his French was super BAD.

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To my mind, his French is non-existent. Someone told him to sound nasal, and that's about as far as Kim Ji-suk's skill level goes. (Mind you, I love him as an actor, and in this role. The French, though, isn't happening for him.)

Ye Ji-won's French, however, is actually intelligible and pretty decent.

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Actually I'm more curious why their mother is afraid of Soo Kyung. Her mom is sucha badass, so why she runs at the sight of her own daughter. I'm curious if Do Kyung and Soo Kyung have the same father, but I think the 'kyung' in their name kinda shows that it's the same father.

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If Soo Kyung is the noona and their mom is negligent/abusive, then it does make sense that Soo Kyung could basically have taken over the mother/protector role in the family.

Not overtly, which is kind of interesting - I mean, she seems to operate below the radar at both work and home. But clearly at some point she decided both that her mom wasn't worth it, AND that she would actively step between her mom and Do Kyung.

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lol DK momma is not a badass, she's a bully and a manipulative non parent. SK is the real badass lbr. but more importantly like Miranda said, SK was prob the de jure mother/protector of the family at least until DK and Hoon grew up at which point they can take care of themselves. and She ofc now has issues that make her need more caring of than not. Plus DK momma isnt young ne more, and if SK wanted to she could knock her the fuck out. but she too classy to do that u see. lol. So ...

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The way that the visions have progressed has been great. At first they were just previews of what OHY might do or say the DK witnessed, then it progressed to something she would do that he had to decide what his response would be, but I think this is the first time he actually MADE the events of the vision happen. This wasn't just catching a woman in midair, this was an active choice that he initiated.

Any does anyone else get the feeling that from the second he got that vision, Do Kyung was just waiting for the moment to arrive and almost looking for it? Almost like seeing the cut on her lip was the universe signalling permission to finally kiss her. It felt completely inevitable and the way he just went for it - yeesh that is a lot of bottled-up emotion right there, sir. It was like he went on autopilot, but the kind of autopilot that actually just bypasses all of the safety measures and releases the brakes.

(The only flaw in the entire thing is that I have no idea how OHY's lip ended up like that. It looked like a bloody potato chip got stuck on her. Did she actually rip a chunk out of DK's hand when she bit him?! That was not a split or graze, that was... like.. flesh from elsewhere. It's kind of haunting me.)

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Thank you for putting that into words! I kept swinging from "this kiss is so passionate!" to "what the Sam Hill is on her lip?! Weird" then back again.

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Too funny! A make-up artist failure there as it was a body part getting quite a work out in the scene and repeated takes. They should have gone with a tiny smear/cut instead of an abrasion. It looked like the Kleenex/ fake blood wounds my kids have tried.

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Yea in some sections you can see the split lip looks real and other angles it's kind of peeling off - it's a prosthetic that they put on but dries up fast too, takes time to put it back on. I'm guessing they didn't have time to do touch ups between takes and of course all that kissing would make it more susceptible to falling off. haha I am hoping they release a behind the scenes!

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"Any does anyone else get the feeling that from the second he got that vision, Do Kyung was just waiting for the moment to arrive and almost looking for it?"

- Oh, totally. During the fight, there's this moment when I swear Hae-young was going to walk past him after hitting him once, but he purposefully turned her around and engaged her again. I mean, he knew exactly where that fight was heading and yet it seemed like he was almost willing it to escalate and happen anyway.

The visions have often been about events he couldn't stop. And because so many of the ones he could stop involve Hae-young actively doing something, the only choices he's ever been given is whether to respond to her or not. It makes sense, given that much of the beginning centers on him trying to cut off their relationship. So I also loved that this vision had him taking action for once & that he still chose not to shy away from it. In fact, in this case, he probably used his past experience with his visions as a crutch. Because all of them have happened just as they're supposed to, he could probably even come to perceive his own actions as inevitable before they even happen.

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Agreed. He was subconsciously wanting it to happen. I think he was quite disappointed in the hotel room, when he 'had' to turn her down because it didn't match up with the vision in his head. I feel like he was anticipating it.

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Lol, I know! He's like, "Dammit, this isn't when I'm scheduled to give in to her seduction!" As if he was just waiting for his cue...

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HAHAHAH! It wasn't even supposed to be funny but I swear much comedyyyy for a melo-romantic scene

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I am curious about something that maybe you could answer. Like you said most of his visions have been about things that he couldn't change or had control over, things he wasn't sure how they were going to occur. However he knew about the kiss he had the time and ability to change the future yet why didn't he?? He could have kissed her before that yet he waited until the moment from his vision, I wonder why.

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He's escalating. He's going from "It's inevitable" to "I'm going to make it happen".

The first ones were beyond his control, but as time goes on, he's actually consciously making his visions come true.

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This comment just gave me pause. I have this sudden vision of the show progressing to the point where DK deliberately chooses to die for someone else because he want's to change the inevitable....NOOOOOO !

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Every interaction from the moment he sees her drunk in Other Hae Youngs car was ridiculously charged. Eric did a great job creating this sense of push and pull. He wanted so much to just give in but...

And then the kiss!

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Yes -- I got the sense that he was waiting for the vision to unfold. After all, we're talking about the guy who makes his living waiting for cues! And he's a perfectionist, so there's no way he would jump the gun.

As for OHY's hopeful proposal at the hotel, I agree that I could see the wheels turning while rewinding the vision and noting her split lip as a cue.

Hmmm, the lady doth protest too much, methinks, when DK turns back and tells her that it would have been an embarrassment to her if he slept with her there. Maybe this is really a pep talk to himself. In the past he has acted to prevent her being publicly humiliated (i.e., catching her running leap and spinning her around to face her co-workers, and going along with the charade, up to a point). He's acutely aware of her lifetime load of embarrassment and humiliation, and is loathe to throw another log on the fire, IMHO.

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This is why I love the DB comments, I never thought of the progression of his visions and you're totally right, he was totally anticipating the moment in this episode.

And about her busted lip, I was already wondering what happened to her when they showed it in his vision last week. So when the fight scene came up I paid extra attention and it really came out of nowhere. I rewatched the fight (and kiss ahem) a couple times to see where she could've hurt herself but it only appeared when she's against the wall, her lip's still fine in the previous shot.
So my only explanation is that the busted lip was included to signal him, yes this is THE moment from the vision where you're kissing her, don't even try to hold back lol.

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All of it you guys!
But man, I'm so scared the visions may have terrifying consequences. *lights candles

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So I rewatch after reading these comments about her busted lip. I saw that she was wearing watch maybe during their fight like she just flailing all over with Do Kyung, and accidentally hurt her lip.

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Another possibility is that OHY bit her lip.

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Hahaha eww, potato chip. xD; Her lip wound did look awful and strange... It was a bit distracting.

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That Kiss!! That was right out of our fantasies. But it was the hug that got me, it spoke of a much deeper connection. And I ended up crying when he parted, his eyes spoke volumes. His final realization that he hasn't been able to stop any of his visions from actually happening, so he will die. At least that is what he is thinking.

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I need to comment about plot and characters, but I just can't remember anything but the kiss. I expected a passionate kiss since it's tvN, but this one blew me away. You're right Lollypip, it's like we're seeing their private moment. Whew.

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hahahaha...im with you on this. I really want to comment but I dunno what to post, my mind is blank. I'd just keep quiet. That's better. reading the recap helps LOL.

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lol me too...i don't know what to say except that eric and seo hyun jin have such great chemistry no words can describe how good they look on screen together.

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While I enjoyed the kiss itself, I think that everything leading up to it was a bit uncomfortable to watch. It felt so violent and it was weird to see Do Kyung handle Hae Young like that. It wasn't okay (at least to me) Not just that but it felt like they were just putting all their anger at each other and everyone else into that whole confrontation and kiss and I don't want that. I want their kiss to be fueled by desire, not anger. Also, I wasn't too happy that Do Kyung just walked away leaving Hae Young even more confused. Yes, maybe he wasn't supposed to be there at the moment and he realized he was doing something "wrong" but it's not fair to Hae Young.
Other than that, I really am enjoying this couple and the drama. Also Seo Hyun Jin is everything.

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If all of your arguments/makeout sessions have that pattern, then no, it's not good. But, uh, the occasional times it happens in an otherwise even-keeled and romantic relationship can be pretty damn worth it.

If it helps, the kiss seemed less fueled by anger than frustration. He likes her but is being infuriatingly stoic, and she likes him but is getting no feedback. And it's clear that the kiss is extremely, extremely reciprocated even before it happens, so I thought they balanced it pretty well.

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ooooh boy, that kiss was indeed reciprocated, and how! Though the moment that really had me mentally going 'damn I NEED to rewind this' was the point when they're practically wrapped against each other and Do-kyung actually pushes away from the wall - UNF!

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Yep! If you can independently keep your center of balance during a passionate kiss, YOU AREN'T DOING IT RIGHT.

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but of course being plastered against your partner takes obvious precedence over being able to remain upright without aid ;)

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I agree. This scene may be uncomfortable, but I also found it oddly refreshing. I get that any scene remotely violent brings into question the well-being of our characters. These last few episodes, in particular, have shown our leads at their lowest points. But it's important to remember that finally letting all your frustrations at each other culminate in one huge blow-out can give you both the opportunity to finally move past the things holding you back. It doesn't mean that fights like this one are healthy for two people in a committed relationship, but, for these two, who are navigating the difficulties of their conflicted feelings, a scene like this is powerful and even a little bit necessary.

But this is also exactly why I find the hug at the end to be so very important. The image of him holding her tight in his embrace after the kiss juxtaposed perfectly with the pose right before it, of him pinning her arms back away from him. They certainly channeled a lot of frustration and anger into that scene, but what it dissolved into was something tender & vulnerable and that speaks volumes of the importance of their raw, heated encounter.

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Absolutely!

The relationship between the pair of them is built on this sense of vulnerability. Dk and Our HY are capable of such intimate connection. When they have been shown speaking to each other alone it's always so open. He drinks in everything she says and she spills out all the dark thoughts. There is never a point where it's cliched reaction. They act like themselves without changing to fit some weird mold or seem better for each other.

I think the discomfort was deliberately evoked. The struggle, kiss and the hug was a distillation of the conflict they were stuck on. It's a physical metaphor for where they are now. When you're in a relationship that is just forming sometimes the physical (a kiss, hug, touch, look etc) is the only way to be open to each other. The moment they shared was another way for the dam to break and the intimacy they share to force it's way out.

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I agree the whole scene leading up to the kiss was uncomfortable but I also felt like she did provoke him, she kept hitting him and hitting him and he had no choice but to calm her down and she just kept fighting him...Also is there any significance to the bites? she bit him when she was drunk and he was trying to get her in the car and then she bit him again before they kissed...perhaps Im just reading too much into it...but I thought it was a little bit odd

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I'm a biter too. When you're not as strong as someone and fighting you play dirty. I don't think there is much else to read into it.

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Shortly before the fight, didn't she say something about knocking down his walls? Her frustration with him escalated till she was attacking those castle walls, those stone battlements to just let her in.

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She kept hitting him on his back as if to say "don't turn your back to me and walk away" "I want to interact, even if it is only to fight" and "I can't just let you leave".
I think back to all those drama scenes where a couple is parting, even casually, and there is a back and forth about who turns to leave first. I always thought it kind of weird, an excessive courtesy. Perhaps it is played up so much because of the symbolism. You don't turn away from someone you love.

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The line was something like "I need any man I can find to keep from breaking down the brick walls and jumping you"

I'm sure it's more poetic when coming from a angry SHJ but I paraphrase.

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