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Beans of Wisdom: PPL duct tape and metaphysical cats

This week in Beans of Wisdom…

In “Cinderella and the Four Knights: Episode 1” comment #18, Yoyo writes:

Butler Kim plastered to the ceiling was hilarious!!!

TM asks:

How did he end up there to begin with? It must have been tough to put him there

Yoyo answers back:

A butt load of green duct tape and the ingenuity of a spoiled third generation chaebol.

While blnmom says:

I think that was PPL for duct tape. Look, you can get it in bright green instead of the drab gray color! And it’s so strong you can tape a butler to your ceiling!

 

“W–Two Worlds: Episode 8” is inspiring all sorts of existential discussions. In comment #17.4, Yeonka writes:

RE: the existentialist aspects of W. It’s simply awesome imho. Because, for example, when KC decides to reset everything by giving up his free will (to pursue the only purpose he was allowed to and created for, aka to forever hunt the faceless culprit), it’s basically not only logical – from a mind driven perspective – but also a conscious choice made in self-awareness. It’s plain and simple, acceptance in its pure form.
KC entirely accepts that moment even if he doesn’t agree with it, he just stops being resistant to what (he) is (supposed to be). By embracing the suffering existence, he accepts fully who he is, just as he is, and thus truly fulfills the only reason of (his) life.

[Because, imo, (real) human beings also have only one (major) reason of existing, to become self-aware that their life is a long sequence of experiences each one chose to live in order to fully accept and love themselves just as the are. As beings with flaws, limits and fears, yet unique, original, unrepeatable and being the only ones responsible for their life (by assuming the responsibility for one’s own life – each one is responsible only for their own choices and the consequences that follow).]

 

Cipher writes in comment #4:

Then it leads me to another question I can’t help asking: what is the reality in the comic world. When KC woke up from his dream, all readers of comic book W would conclude: the psycho arc is just a dream hooray. However, for us drama viewers, we know those things actually happened( or did they? ) It seems that the reality in this manhwa world entirely relies on observation and understanding by the 3D real world audience.

Just a bit like a thought I enterntain from time to time:the world might not exist after I die or before I was born, since I would not be there to observe it.

Sun:

Schrödinger’s cat?

 

Meanwhile, Divyrus gets compassionate in comment #8.5:

Am I the only one who felt bad for the faceless killer? I mean he literally has no purpose, no character, no emotions with a single minded goal of killing KC and employed whenever required by OSM.

Sounds too cruel than how KC is used in a way. At least for KC, he was fleshed out and treated with care.

The faceless killer is literally a trope used when convenient and thrown away later. Imagine, If all tropes had some kind of being and a mind of own?

Now am imagining, noble idiocy, truck of doom, amnesia, birth secrets – all tropes sitting together and having a drink, lol.

siesta adds:

and complaining endlessly about how pointless their whole lives has been lol

amnesia: “don’t they know that a good bonk in the head is all it takes?!”
truck of doom: “I had ONE job.”

Michykdrama:

Birth secret: You see that chaebol? He could be your father. You see that girl? She could be your sister.

 

In the same post, whilethemusiclasts says in #71:

I love that the entire point is that writers should think more about their characters and give them purpose in the story more than just to serve as plot devices and to further the story of the main character. Dad’s shitty writing is the main evil and now he’s got to set it right. Give the characters actual identities (especially the killer), give them a purpose to continue living even with the absence of Kang Chul, give them an actual life. Shitty drama writers need to take notes.

 

Yoyo has a lot of questions in “W–Two Worlds: Episode 9.” Starting with #3:

I’m still not over it and I have a million questions that begin with how and why….. Still want to do Face Swap on Snapchat??

And this thread in #7:

So what do we call No-face now that he’s got a face???

Kestrel:

New Face? (n)OH Face?

Lord Cobol:

“Face transplant guy??” “faceplant” for short.
“He who must not be ‘faced’” ?

taml:

Faux Sung-moo?

mary:

Yes-face?
No Seung Moo?

 

Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart: Goryeo dropped multiple promos this week, starting with “Scarlet Heart’s princes share bath time, games, and a lady love.” SL writes in comment #64:

I would willingly go back in time and suffer from unhygienic conditions, lack of internet, and nonexistent plumbing if it meant Lee Jun-ki would stare at me like that.

 

PBY comments on the barrage of promos in “Longing stares and lunar eclipses for Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart: Goryeo” at #15:

The PR team at SBS:
“How do we make SURE the viewers tune in for the new drama?”
“Hmm, how many posters did you say we had?”

 

The other Kiara talks about Jin-myung in “Age of Youth: Episode 8” comment #17.3.

Maybe I kind of see her and her situation from a different perspective. I’m rooting for her character because I’m very grateful that I didn’t have my family’s financial burden on my shoulders. I don’t think I’d make those sacrifices till I’m done with school and have a real job.

I do understand why she is in that state of mind and her mood and spirit is low because she is in a hopeless situation and it’s getting worse. I’d sit in a corner and cry my heart out too but she doesn’t too it often because she has learnt to suppress her feelings.

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I love the title of this episode, Hope! that dang hope. Don’t you dare give up. When one door closes another opens.
I hope she slams a door on her current boss’s hands and break it so he won’t touch another girl again.

 

wapz is worried about “The forecast looks sunny for Jealousy Incarnate” (#9):

Aren’t 24 episodes too much? I see it as a light rom com with the basic premise only being about jealousy and I think 16 episodes would be enough. Unless obv they have enough source material and twists to keep us entertained.

Moushimi replies:

I know what the producers were thinking. Well, here it is:
Producer: hey, lets make this a drama 24 eps.

Writer: huh…. Why 24? I wanted to make it a 20 ep.

Producer: So that if our ratings sucks SBS will not be able to cut more tham 4 eps which means we will be able to make 20 ep, therefore it’s a win-win situation for both of us.

Writer: YOU R A GENIOUS!!!!!!!

 

Taeki’s horse-riding Teacher reacts to a quote in “Hearts and smiles at Moonlight Drawn By Clouds’ press conference” comment #29:

Meanwhile, Kim Yoo-jung said of her co-star, “At first when I heard the news that Park Bo-gum was cast, I thought it was really well done. When we met on set, he was so handsome I was startled.”

You just knew it NOW??? We’ve been startled for AGES.

 

Finally, kitkat writes in “Drama viewership ratings for the week of Aug. 8-14, 2016” comment #33:

all these discussions remind me how diverse we are. there are so many factors when it comes to question why do people like certain drama and why not. our culture, surroundings, upbringing, education, religious views, personal preferences… each and every one of us is unique and special that way. I might scratch my head why so many beanies adore a certain drama / actress / actor when they don’t excite me in the least? and why is this drama described as boring when I find it anything but? and how is this story supposed to be a moving one when I find it so over the top and a total cliche? guess we all have those moments. and you know what? it’s perfectly fine! we just need to respect that. and remember that when we get carried away a little bit.

 

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I can imagine tropes sitting together plotting twists, like the emotions in that animated movie. Except Police Unit 38 already took all the twists they could think of, put another twist on the twist, then switched it to the 3rd on the last moment and... oops! *all tropes get dizzy and faint. Truck of doom crashes into itself and turns into flat acting. Noble idiocy turns into juicy sarcasm. Because of that, Birth secret runs away crying.*

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This is the comment that has finally convinced me to watch Police Unit 38.

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park hye run good example of author that tries to give justice to every character she make.

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I vote for faceplant.

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That's my favorite, too, except Dad looks like he's the one who faceplanted. So my vote goes to No-face becoming Yes-face, while Dad now becomes no-face.

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re: the 24 episodes of Jealousy Incarnate. This drama will have to prove my theory wrong and that is the # of episodes is based on the star power involved. No rom/com needs 24 episodes ....ever. 12, 16, rarely 20 but not 24.

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If there's a SBS drama that needs 24 ep, it's Scarlet Heart: Ryeo not Jealousy Incarnate.
I wonder too what kind of story they have in store and how they would be able to fill all the eps?
Most romcoms are 16-20 eps and even the 16-er usually still have fillers and meandering a bit.

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As of date the best rom-com I've watched had 2 episodes!

<3 SSL <3

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+1

It is number 1 on my list too!

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I've just come to realise the biggest and most effective mover in the kdrama writer overloads association. Its not the writer,not the producers,not the fans and their demands,not even the over-interfering station. But its this one device,whose responsible for so many deaths,amnesia,misumderstandings,lost moments that can never be gotten back,re-igniting romantic sparks,forcing skinship,and crossing the starcrossed lovers and untimely seperating them and in some cases,getting rid of unwanted characters. Its your one and only, the Almighty TRUCK OF DOOM! All hail!!!

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During that ultra cheesy wrap-up-the-plotline fakeout ending - where SH was headed to meet KC in the middle of the intersection - was I the only one actually rooting for a Truck of Doom?

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Nope, let me join you hihihi

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I wasn't rooting exactly, but it did make me nervous to see such a wide road and "important" kdrama meeting.

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Right on, @Yonka!!!!! That's a superb explanation of existentialism!

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@Moushimi, I think you are the genius cos that thought never occurred to me...

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Ah the (in)famous Schrödinger's cat.
My very much smarter friend tried to explain it to me once. I listened for a while and then gave up understanding it.

Which is why I'm watching kdramas now and he is building quantum computers ?

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Schrodinger's cat has had some new developments. Excerpt from Science (May 2016):

"The story of Schrödinger's cat being hidden away in a box and being both dead and alive is often invoked to illustrate the how peculiar the quantum world can be. On a twist of the dead/alive behavior, Wang et al. now show that the cat can be in two separate locations at the same time. Constructing their cat from coherent microwave photons, they show that the state of the “electromagnetic cat” can be shared by two separated cavities. Going beyond common-sense absurdities of the classical world, the ability to share quantum states in different locations could be a powerful resource for quantum information processing."

Meaning now the cat can be both dead and alive AND in two places at once. Perhaps this is what's going on in W.

Conclusion: Kang Chul should get a cat.

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so...they encourage people wo microwave their cat and it will teleport somewhere else? I don´t get it. cats are always in a different place than you think they are anyway. eating cookies in the kitchen when you think they are sleeping on the carpet. wait, are we talking about cats? Or not? but Kang Chul doesn´t have a cat, so what does this have to do with W2W?

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* to, not wo

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Schrodinger's cat be like, "Garfield wants to take a go at this."

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Well my take is, that guy had too much time on his hands.

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I still go with the Schrödinger that
the Copenhagen interpretation implies that the cat remains both alive and dead until the state is observed.

but in popular culture it used to describe a paradox, the thought experiment presents a cat that might be alive or dead, depending on an earlier random event.
it is when people can be both gulty and not guilty depend on where you see they stand, so it means they live in 2 world, a world when they guilty and world when they aren't, but you, the observer is only in one world,

the relevance to kangchul is, he exist in a world when he is a main chara, relared to everyone and a world when he isn't related to anyone,
so the observer ,us, can just accept one of the paradox that he exist as manhwa in our reality because we know it is the webtoon reality, so he is dead (like the open box with the assumed cat dead)

or his existance in webtoon is as real as us, but that require us to assumed that the webtoon word is real without entering it (the unopen box with assumed cat alive)
but you also can switch the assumption

I hope this is a right inrerpretation and you can understand it better.

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hmmm....
Thanks blnmom and Sancheezy for trying to explain but.... I think my brain just isn't made to understand this stuff...

You know that face Soo Bong makes where he blinks and then he rubs his eyes through his glasses? That's me now. XD

But if its going to help Kang Chul then I'm all for it!
Can he be in 3 places at once though? In the W Manhwa; with Yeon Joo in her world; and then here in the "real world" with me. I promise to share ;)

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Michykdrama, your comment 8 made me laugh so hard on a cranky day, thanks.

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@michykdrama

If you find out that your boyfriend cheated on you and you want to get even...You decide that the best way to do that is to lock him in a room with no windows and smoke the room with your choice of poisonous gas. During which, you begin to assume whether he's dead or alive. Now unless you open the door, you are left with that assumption.

That's as simple as it gets. Shrodinger's Cat is about proving that your boyfriend can be both dead and alive until he's state of being is confirmed. Ergo, you open the door and see for yourself.

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his not he's....

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Ahh, that was a good one. )) Haven't seen anyone else explain Shrodinger’s Cat like that.

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Here is a 4-minute video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkVpMAbNOAo

But let me take a shot at explaining (because it's cool when applied to W)...

In quantum mechanics, it's said that a thing exists in all its possible states until it is observed, at which point it "collapses" into just one state.

But Schrodinger wanted to point out how ridiculous it is once applied to larger objects.

He said imagine if you put a cat in a box. And inside the box is a radioactive poison with a 50/50 chance of decaying and killing the cat. According to quantum mechanics, the poison is existing in both possible states: both decayed AND not decayed, as long as the box stays closed.

If you ask a normal person to describe the cat just before the box is opened, we'd say "There's a 50% chance it's alive and 50% chance it's dead."

But the quantum physicist following their theory will answer "It's 50% dead AND 50% alive" because to them, it's existing in all its possible states until we open the box to check. At which point the cat just becomes simply alive or dead.

It's actually cool the more you read about the zombie cat joke because it's like saying that Chul exists in all his possible states: dead, alive, with amnesia, without amnesia, married to Yeonjoo, married to Sohee, doing #1 romance, doing #4 romance, married to ME, married to you, and so on... until the point when someone observes his life aka read the webtoon.

And if you go further and apply the Many Worlds theory to the manhwa world, then it's possible that the body in the river is Chul even if there's another Chul alive right now.

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My head hurts.

Beanies, you must know that I love you all so much that I watched the video. I haven't thought about quantum and That Cat since the time I mentioned (> 10 years ago) and it was because I had a huge crush on above mentioned friend. XD

@yoyo and @mary:
Thank you for your explanations!
Unfortunately to me it still sounds like a fancy schmancy way of explaining that anything is possible, even if you don't see it with your own eyes, because it could exist, or could be existing, somewhere, anywhere, in some alternate universe. And that quantum isn't supposed to make logical sense. XD

But as long as it means that Kang Chul can have his happily ever after, I'm good with it.

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Haha, @michykdrama, you opened up Pandora's box and found Schrodinger's cat. I love that this discussion happened on Dramabeans. Y'all are awesome.

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@michy, sorry for the long comment. Basically yes, this theory just means that there's at least one universe in which Chul is happy and everyone is happy XD

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but no cat would ever just let itself be put in a box unless it is dead already. cats dont obey! so if you put a dead cat into a box thinking it alive and then half alive half dead, I am saying there is more than radioactive substance to make that happen thats like some frankencat

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I am officially hanging out in Dramabeans at all times just so that I can read stuff like this. It is awesome and I absolutely loved this particular post. Perhaps everything science and theory makes me feel all goose bumpy.

Thankyou @mary.

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thank your for your explanation... this is why W is soo good.. it opens door to quantum theory hahaha..

the writer must have a passion in quantum theory...

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Shrodinger must be rolling in his grave.

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well, unless we confirm he is actually in his grave, we cant say for certain he's dead so..no rolling for Schrodinger.Or...
You know, you could just do a magic trick, hide the cat, make everyone think it's in there and while they are theorising over weather or not it's actually dead ,you run of in secret with the cat chuckling and knowing you're the one with the 100% certain proof that both theories are wrong (because yes kitty is alive but not in the box so nanananana ). And then you sick animal wellfare on those guys because really!! don' touch the kitties !

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Duct taped butler was the best!!
Scarlet Heart, can't wait already!!
W makes me think every week!! Great brain exercise! Who needs crosswords or Sudoku? Just tune in to W!

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Considering that Kang cousins are not up to eating together, they have proven themselves having solid coordination to tape up the butler to the ceiling!

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Moushimi's comment is so hilarious

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All the comments are fantastic!

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I wonder. How did they manage to do that? They can barely stand each other but getting rid of the butler = common enemy. Now,imagine what they could achive if only they come together. Great things I tell you,great things.

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Dear Yeonka, I love ur comment about 'life is a long sequence of experiences'.

While it has yet to push me forward with things that I have been procrastinating from doing, I wished someone told me this before I completely gave up and deferred from school for a while because of my insecurities.

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