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W–Two Worlds: Episode 8

I… was going to write words, and they were going to make sense, and they were going to be about W. Perhaps they would’ve been words about the love story, or about the fantasy-within-a-fantasy wish-fulfillment of this heightened world, or about my feelings, because I have a lot of them while watching this show. But then I watched this episode, and then my brain exploded.

The End.

Or is it just the beginning?

 

 
EPISODE 8 RECAP

Terror sets in as Kang Chul is threatened by No-Face Killer, who has somehow gotten into the real world and is speaking to Chul via chyrons appearing out of thin air. No-Face wants to know how Chul got back into the manhwa world, and notes menacingly that Chul has a new family now.

Yeon-joo stirs awake just as No-Face hangs up on Chul, and she can tell that something’s wrong. But Chul tucks his gun away and just asks her how the last frame of Dad’s manhwa changed from “The End” to “To be continued.” Yeon-joo says she doesn’t know how or why—it just changed one day, and she assumed that there was a reason the story couldn’t end there.

They’re interrupted by the housekeeper, who has a whole array of party dresses lined up for Yeon-joo to choose from. Chul tells her that he heard she had a hard time letting go of Romantic Option One—the Cinderella party—and figured he’d just give her both. (Ahem, what about Option Four?)

He’s been invited to a party at the Blue House and tells her to pick a dress, adding helpfully, “For your information, the more skin it shows, the more I like it.” Am I blushing? Stop that, face! The attendants point out the dress with the lowest neckline, and Yeon-joo laughs nervously and says they shouldn’t take Chul seriously.

Do-yoon calls after trying to trace the phone calls from No-Face, but he’s come up empty. Chul tells him to keep trying, and sits down at his desk to start a new case report for his crime show W. He writes that he’s going to throw away all prior case files and formulate a new hypothesis from here on out: There is a true culprit.

Chul thinks back to the moment when No-Face killed his family and discarded the gun in the alley, and as we see Dad’s hand drawing the frame, Chul narrates that god did not give him physical matter, and so the killer has none—he has no face, and no identity. He writes: “He was born solely to kill my family. So he feels no guilt over murder. He feels no sadness, and of course no pleasure. Because he has no character.”

Chul writes that the killer was merely a tool to make him dedicate his life to fighting crime, and will appear whenever he’s needed in the story, and disappear when he’s not. Chul concludes: “In any space, in any form, without needing any context, according to god’s whims… he can appear at any time and kill.” Well, shit.

Yeon-joo chooses the lacy pink dress and tiptoes out into the living room, wondering if this will be appropriate for such a fancy event. She worries that there will be dancing and twirls across the room by herself, giving the bodyguards something to chuckle over.

She shows Chul the dress and asks if it looks okay, but when she’s met with a silent stare because he’s still so lost in thought over No-Face and his threat to kill her, she assumes that she looks weird and shuffles back out to go change.

Chul finally says, “Go back,” and she points out that she’s already heading back to the dressing room. But he meant back home to her world because it’s dangerous here, and asks if there isn’t some way for her to go home. She doesn’t know how—it’s not like she can control the coming and going—and asks what’s gotten into him.

Without warning, a bullet suddenly flies through the window past Chul. He whips his head around to see where the shot came from, and when he looks back at Yeon-joo, she’s already been shot in the forehead, just like his family.

She falls to the ground in slow-motion as Chul watches, horrified. He peers over his desk to see her body on the floor, except when he does, she isn’t there. He draws in a breath. Did she return to her world?

But he’s shocked when Yeon-joo asks what’s wrong. Oh, did he imagine the whole thing? Gah, stop that! He just rushes over to her and wraps his arms around her in an embrace, relieved that she’s okay. He kisses her on the forehead tenderly, and just holds her for a good long while.

They take a limo to the party, and Chul reminds Yeon-joo to smile for the cameras as they exit. She’s so nervous that she gulps down champagne and decides that maybe she can’t do this after all, but he takes her hand and says to just follow his lead.

So she plasters a nervous smile on her face as they walk the red carpet, but once they’re inside, she gets lost in the real Cinderella moment as he kisses her hand and leads her to the dance floor. Wait a minute, is this a fantasy too? Because for someone who was so worried about the dancing, she seems to suddenly know what to do.

They glide around the dance floor, gazing lovingly into each other’s eyes as he twirls her around and around. Oh, but I spoke too soon—at the final dip, Yeon-joo’s foot slips and she goes crashing to the ground…

…And she falls out of bed as she wakes up from her dream. Ha, was she clumsy in her own fantasy? (Seriously though, now I’m confused about what did happen and didn’t happen, because that was one too many fantasies.)

The bodyguard comes running in and awkwardly offers to help her up from the floor, and Chul rushes in with gun in hand. He wonders how she fell out of bed, and Yeon-joo says sheepishly that she was having a very sweet dream.

She asks if all the bodyguards are necessary, and points out that No-Face can’t harm her no matter what he threatened, because she’s invincible in this world. Chul says that there’s no rule in the universe that doesn’t have variables, so until they can locate No-Face, they’re housebound.

Yeon-joo begins to pout that she just got out of prison only to end up imprisoned here, and rattles off a string of complaints, like the fact that he canceled on the party they were going to, and he told her to mark the sweet romantic things she wanted to do in his book, and promised to do ten a day…

Chul just finds the pouting adorable and offers to do anything in that book that can be done inside the house. I can think of a few. He leads her by the hand into the kitchen, with two giant bodyguards clipping at their heels the whole way.

Once they get there though, Chul grimaces and admits that he only knows how to cook one thing: ramyun. Yeah, we know, you learned that in high school. After watching him look for ramyun packets in the oven, Yeon-joo realizes that Chul doesn’t know his way around the kitchen at all and takes over. She tells him to learn how to cook something for real and make it up to her then.

He seems happy to be absolved of cooking duties for the time being and chitchats while Yeon-joo cooks, wondering about something he can’t understand—why her father is like that. Uh, you’re gonna have to be more specific—Dad’s got a lot of things wrong with him.

Chul assumes that No-Face acts according to Dad’s orders, and he doesn’t get why Dad would give the command for No-Face to kill his own daughter. Yeon-joo says that Dad wouldn’t do that, and besides, he quit drawing for good.

As she talks, she accidentally slices the tip of her finger as she cuts the green onions, and the bodyguards overreact and run to fetch the nurse on Chul’s orders. Yeon-joo doesn’t see the need for that much medical attention, and Chul just smiles and tends to the cut.

He’s the first to realize that something is wrong, though, and he looks at her bleeding finger again in alarm. “Why are you bleeding? You’re not supposed to bleed…” he says, eyes wide. She looks down at her finger, and a new terror starts to dawn on Chul’s face: “This… means that you’ll die if you’re shot with a gun.” Craaaap.

As soon as he says it, Yeon-joo looks down at the corner of the screen, where the “To be continued” chyron is being written. She doesn’t even have a chance to say anything before she vanishes, and Chul slumps down, fraught with worry.

Yeon-joo appears back in her old bedroom in Dad’s house, her finger still bleeding. She bandages the wound and goes to read the latest issue of the webtoon, and sees for herself that No-Face threatened to put a bullet in her forehead, and that Chul imagined it happening. She tries calling Dad, but there’s no answer.

Back in Chul’s world, he paces back and forth wondering why the rules have changed—Dad and Yeon-joo were once invincible in his world, but now everything is different, and he has no idea why. He waits in the kitchen all night, but Yeon-joo doesn’t return.

So-hee calls him the next morning, drunk and crying. She wonders if Yeon-joo is sleeping next to him right now and asks if he really got married, because it hasn’t really hit her yet that this is real. She knows it’s her own fault for waiting around and thinking that it would lead to them being together in the end, but she cries that everyone else thought so too. Lol, an entire fandom, in fact.

So-hee: “What am I? What was I to you?” She swigs another glass of wine, when she suddenly notices her hand flickering in and out. Oh no, she’s disappearing! Chul recalls Do-yoon describing this the other night, and on the phone he overhears So-hee scream and drop her glass, when she looks in the mirror and sees her reflection flicker into a manhwa drawing.

Chul drives over to her, racking his brain the whole way, trying to make sense of what’s happening. He remembers opening the manhwa back in the real world and seeing the cast of main characters on the front page—Kang Chul, So-hee, Do-yoon, No-Face Killer, Assemblyman Han, and Ajusshi—all created for a purpose in the story.

In flashback, we see Ajusshi’s hand start to fade after Kang Chul told him that he was going to get rid of the crime show and stop chasing the killer. And in the present, So-hee’s entire body starts to look translucent. Chul realizes: “When that [character’s] purpose disappears, they cease to exist… in this world, forever?”

And then it occurs to him that the opposite will be true too: “When a character’s purpose becomes certain, they’re fixed as main characters… by force?” He’s thinking of Yeon-joo, of course, and back in her world, she’s come to more or less the same conclusion: “Have I become an actual manhwa character? Because I married the hero?” Really, are they having the same train of the thought at the exact same time? The exposition in this scene is so unnatural.

Chul wonders why No-Face didn’t disappear then, and that’s when he realizes that the killer could be like him—finding a purpose to exist on his own. “Did he become self-aware? Like me?” he wonders.

And to confirm it, we see No-Face walking around in Chul’s world after he’d stopped time and left through the portal. No-Face marched past the frozen people and leapt through the portal too, ending up on the same rooftop where Chul had first arrived in Yeon-joo’s world. Chul wonders in horror, “The culprit… is in the outside world?”

That’s exactly where he is, of course, and we see No-Face when he first arrived in the real world, when he’d bumped into a drunken man in the street. The really freaky part? Whenever No-Face talked, chyrons appeared on the screen, even in the real world. WTF. How? Why? Is this world even real?

No-Face asked where this was and where Kang Chul was, and then he’d come across a magazine in a store window, lamenting the end of Kang Chul’s manhwa without revealing the killer’s identity. No-Face crushed the window and grabbed the magazine, and Chul narrates that he was enraged: “Because the only one who desired to know the culprit’s identity more than me… was the culprit himself.”

No-Face stood on the bridge where Chul had jumped, and asked angrily how Kang Chul could die like this without finding him, when he waited ten years. I guess when you put it like that, yours was the saddest existence of all.

Chul narrates that No-Face was the one who stopped the manhwa from ending, because he couldn’t stand for it to end that way. The worst part is that now No-Face is stuck there where Yeon-joo is, not knowing how to get back to the manhwa world.

Yeon-joo worries that Chul is worrying about her, and she’s surprised when someone calls the workshop early in the morning. At first no one speaks, but then No-Face’s scary voice asks as the words appear before her, “You… came back? You’re Oh Sung-moo’s daughter, aren’t you? You’re Oh Yeon-joo, the woman who married Kang Chul, aren’t you?” Ack!

I don’t know why, but the image of No-Face using a cell phone like a real person just creeps me out. He’s standing in the publisher’s office as he makes the call from an assistant’s phone, and he memorizes Dad’s address before vanishing into thin air. More people arrive at the office, not realizing that the assistant has been strangled to death at her desk.

Thinking quickly, Yeon-joo grabs a drawing tablet and laptop and drags Su-bong out of bed. She has to yank his sleepy ass to the car and yell for him to just drive them away from the house, which he fiiinally does just in time for No-Face to appear in Dad’s workshop. Okay, I officially hate that he can teleport. How are you supposed to run away from that?

Su-bong sighs that he’s tired of things happening to them, and says he’d no longer be surprised by anything. Yeon-joo is still flailing and tells him not to answer any phone calls because the killer is looking for her, and the second she says it, they round the corner and see No-Face standing in their path.

She tries to tell Su-bong to reverse, but he doesn’t really register what’s happening until they’ve stopped just a few feet away. No-Face raises his gun, and Su-bong stammers, “That… that’s a g-gun. A gun. A gun. That’s a gun! NOONA, THAT’S A GUN!”

Yeon-joo screams at him to back up, so he puts the car in reverse and guns it… only to hit a lamppost and bring them to a full stop. The killer doesn’t even move, and just pulls the trigger.

The bullet travels in slow-motion, headed straight for Yeon-joo’s forehead. It flies through the windshield and comes right at her…

…But before it can make contact, Yeon-joo vanishes and the bullet pierces the seat’s headrest. Oh phew.

She reappears in the passenger seat of Chul’s car, and he’s so busy calling to see if Yeon-joo came home that he doesn’t notice she’s sitting next to him until she speaks. He asks if she’s okay, and in between gasping breaths, she says that No-Face just tried to kill her.

He kisses her on the forehead and pulls her into a hug, and once she’s calmed down a little, Yeon-joo worries about having left Su-bong back there with the killer.

Back in said car, Su-bong pleads for dear life, promising to live kindly if he’s spared. He’s so busy being terrified that he doesn’t notice No-Face coming closer and vanishing once he sees that Yeon-joo is gone. Well, at least he’s a killer with a singular purpose. How’s that for a silver lining?

Chul guesses as much and thinks that Su-bong will be okay, but Yeon-joo worries that the killer will seek her out at Mom’s house too. Back in her world, Su-bong flees from the car as soon as he sees that Yeon-joo has vanished, and he runs into her mother, who’s just arrived in the neighborhood to look for Yeon-joo. Su-bong gets in the car and begs her to drive them in the other direction, away from Dad’s.

No-Face returns to Dad’s workshop and finds a receipt for Dad’s flight to New Zealand. Yikes, he’s not going to teleport there, is he? On the flight, one of Dad’s fans approaches him for an autograph and asks about the sequel, but Dad doesn’t answer his questions.

Just before landing, Dad goes to the bathroom on the plane, where No-Face’s voice and matching chyrons suddenly appear, asking, “Who am I? Where is Kang Chul? Who am I? Why won’t you tell me who I am?” The villain is having an existential crisis?!

Dad reaches for the door handle, but then No-Face’s hand suddenly flashes into being and grabs Dad’s hand first. Dad looks over his shoulder in terror…

From outside, a flight attendant hears a violent scuffle inside the restroom, but no one answers when she knocks. The noise goes on for a while, and then everything goes silent, and the door clicks open. Ohmygod, did he take Dad?

In the manhwa world, Yeon-joo realizes that they’ve arrived outside So-hee’s apartment. Chul tries the door but there’s no answer and he doesn’t know her lock code. He asks if maybe Yeon-joo’s seen it in the manhwa, and Yeon-joo thinks back to a conversation where she and the other girls in Dad’s workshop teased Su-bong for being in love with So-hee. Um, is he trying to feed a paper cutout So-hee doll?

Su-bong had bragged about how he made her apartment number his birthday and her lock code his phone number, and voila—that code still works and gets them inside. Chul asks Yeon-joo to stay near the door and heads in by himself, where he finds the floor littered with glass shards and So-hee curled up and crying, looking almost completely translucent now.

So-hee asks what’s happening to her and cries that she’s dying, and Yeon-joo overhears her and puts two and two together, based on what she saw in the webtoon about Do-yoon seeing So-hee’s hands vanish.

Chul tries delicately to act like nothing is happening, and he says that she’s just had too much to drink and will be fine. That calms her down for a second, but when he takes her arm, she sees the wedding ring on his finger and starts to flicker again. She cries that she thought she’d marry him someday and asks again, “What am I?”

The more she asks that, the faster she vanishes, so Chul looks her in the eye and says that his marriage is all fake and it means nothing. Agh, I know you’re doing it to save So-hee, but that hurt.

Chul assures her that it’s not a real marriage and says, “You’re important to me. You’re the person closest to me. I need you for the rest of my life.” So-hee asks in a small voice, “You need me?” And with that, she becomes solid again.

Chul wipes her tears and hugs her, and promises that after she gets some sleep, everything will be fine. Then he looks over at Yeon-joo, who’s been standing there the whole time.

While So-hee sleeps, Yeon-joo patches up her scrapes, and Chul thinks back to a mundane memory of being in high school and telling So-hee that he was going to switch majors, and bragging about how he was a genius so he’d be good at anything. Aw, they were so cute.

Yeon-joo says that she’d forgotten for a moment that So-hee was the heroine of this manhwa: “This is because of me, isn’t it?” Chul replies honestly, “It’s because of the wretched fate your father created. The character’s predetermined setup, her reason for existing. It’s cruel, isn’t it? How can there be only one reason you were born and exist? We’re people too.”

Yeon-joo cries on the way back, murmuring aloud that it’s all a mess, and this isn’t the sequel she wanted at all. Chul sees her crying and decides to write a letter to Yeon-joo’s father, which he starts typing into his phone.

As they ride the elevator up to his suite, Chul notices Yeon-joo’s untied shoelace and bends down to retie it, remembering that it was one of the romantic things in their book. She asks if now is really the time to do their homework, and he takes her hand and decides to go up to the roof.

Yeon-joo remembers meeting here for the first time, and she flips her hair and calls him lucky for having met such a good doctor in his time of need. He agrees that he was lucky, and then he withdraws his hand before asking her to draw something for him when she returns to her world.

He asks her to draw him waking up from a dream—to make it so that everything from meeting her on the roof that night until now is all one long dream. What, no! He says that it’s the only solution he can think of—to return to the time before he ever thought of Yeon-joo as the key to his life, to before he discovered that he was a manhwa character, before the killer followed him out into the real world, and his friends started disappearing.

The most important thing, Chul says, is that Yeon-joo can’t die, because he can’t bear to witness that. He says that if they can return to before he knew her, then he won’t think of her and keep pulling her back into this world. But! She’ll remember you! That’s so cruel!

Chul says that he didn’t know how to go on living before, but now he knows: “I should just live according to my fate, and if my reason for existing is to forever chase a culprit that can never be caught, then I have to do that.” Noooo!

He asks what Yeon-joo thinks, and whether she understands him. She nods slowly and finally lifts her head, her eyes brimming with tears. He asks her to draw him waking up from the dream and not remembering any of it, and hands her a flash drive with his letter to her father on it.

He makes her promise to draw it right away, because they don’t know when No-Face will appear again. She promises in a shaky voice, and Chul begins to step away from her, saying that the one thing he regrets is that they only got to do four of the things on her sweet romance list, when he had at least a hundred things he wanted to do for her.

He steps farther and farther away while saying, “I want to hold you one more time, but I can’t do that either, because I’ll be reluctant to let go.” She asks where he’s going, and he gets to the edge of the roof and says they don’t have time and this is the only way to make sure she returns home.

He tells her, “Forget me now. I’m just a character in a manhwa. If you miss me, you can go to the bookstore and see me there. Be well.” He gives her a tiny smile, and then leans back, letting himself just fall off the ledge. Yeon-joo gasps, and then we fade to black.

Tears spill down Kang Chul’s face as he wakes up in the hospital, all the way back to the morning after his stabbing attack. So-hee comes in to say that she hasn’t found anything in the CCTV footage, and asks if he cried.

Chul wipes his eyes and looks curiously at the tears on his fingers, and says it feels like he dreamt something, but can’t remember what.

And back in her world, Yeon-joo sits in the passenger seat of Su-bong’s car, still with the bullet hole in the windshield, hurriedly drawing the webtoon just like Chul asked. She finishes the frame she needs to in order to make it all a dream, and then bursts into tears when she looks down at the wedding ring on her finger.

Chul looks down at his own hand curiously, having forgotten Yeon-joo entirely.

 
COMMENTS

Excuse me while I go dig myself a dark hole to go cry in for the next twelve hours. I can’t believe we just reset Kang Chul’s whole world back to zero. He’ll never know that he loved her! And she has to carry all their happy memories all by herself! You guys, when they did this to Buffy and Angel, I cried for DAYS. Is this writer trying to kill me with my own emotions? Because it seems like that’s what she’s trying to do. She’s clearly also trying to break my brain, because now we’re adding a new time element to the story, where we’ve gone back in Kang Chul’s timeline but forward in Yeon-joo’s, and we have absolutely no idea what the rules are for messing with time in the manhwa world. Is it like amnesia? Could something trigger a past-future memory? And what’s to keep Kang Chul from doing the same thing all over again, if it’s already in his nature to ask all those questions and become self-aware?

Now I see why it felt like we’d zoomed through an entire drama in the first six episodes, and Episodes 7 and 8 turned out to be an interlude in fantasyland—because now we’re starting all over again. Though to what end is anybody’s guess. I feel like we’re embarking on a behavioral experiment, to see if our characters will make the same choices all over again. And if so, is that predetermination, or free will? Because if Kang Chul is in danger, will Yeon-joo really be able to stop herself from saving him? And if she already saved him on the roof, what’s to keep him from looking for her and writing her character into the manhwa like last time?

This is such a cruel story turn for Yeon-joo, but I don’t mind the romantic angst that we get in return, because this is the type of amnesia arc that I actually like, where you get to anticipate the characters falling in love a second time. And it can be sweet rather than angsty, a la I Hear Your Voice, so that makes me feel slightly better about Yeon-joo having to be the only one who knows how good they could’ve had it. Slightly. And plotwise, there’s even more at stake because we don’t know what the ripple effect will be if Kang Chul does fall in love with her again and suddenly remembers things from the first timeline. Bah, are we going to have to make parallel timeline charts? I didn’t really anticipate homework. Time-bending really does a number on me.

It’s time for Dad to get involved, that’s for sure, though I don’t know if he has much choice in the matter after No-Face kidnapped him. But can he undo the damage that ten years of lazy writing and bad character motivation has done? I guess that’s what retconning is for. I’m amused that even the killer is having an existential crisis, because it makes him seem more human and relatable, despite not having a face. Though that still doesn’t explain why the hell he gets speech bubbles even in the real world. There are a lot of reasons to suspect that Yeon-joo’s world isn’t even the real world, but that one is extra fishy if you ask me. Also, how come the rules change in every episode?! How’s a watcher supposed to know what danger lurks around the next act break with the rules always shifting like sand? It’s stressful!

It’s an interesting conundrum to wish that fate would prevail and draw Kang Chul and Yeon-joo back to each other, while also hoping that they can rise above their predetermined fates. When Kang Chul just gave up his free will in order to save everyone around him, it was crushing—more than him giving up his love—because he’d come to understand how utterly pointless his entire existence was, and yet was willing to just go back to that endless hamster wheel knowingly. Part of it felt like the ultimate sacrifice in order to protect the people he loves, and part of it felt like defeat, because he’d seen the outer limits of his world and how much damage going outside your predetermined path could do. I just wish he’d been more sympathetic to the fact that Yeon-joo now has to return to her normal life being the only one to remember their love. Okay, so Su-bong might remember. What would we do without you, Su-bong?!

 
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two words. two worlds.

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MINDBLOWN!!! & HEARTACHE AT THE SAME TIME ? but I ❤ W

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Yay! This was my theory too. ?

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I accidentally replied here that was supposed to be to the top post. Anyway, I watched this raw -- RAW, for crying out loud but I was brawling during the rooftop episode even though I don't understand a single word they uttered.

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*bawling. Autocorrect. Tsk.

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The story may not end up like Winnie The Pooh with Yeon Joo eventually outgrowing the web toon world and Kang Chul like Christopher Robin and Winnie. They're their because of her, but not FOR her. Kang Chul has a mind of his own, and free will and he's self aware. I think he'll be like the Velveteen Rabbit, love will make him real. In the end they'll be together.

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Or maybe SHE'S Winnie the Pooh, and HIS world is Christopher Robin. So sad any way you slice it.

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Omg...you made me sad all over again remembering Winnie the Pooh's ending!

You may have a good hunch here because who knows how this drama will end. T.T

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It's messed up. The whole reset thing. I can't even come up with any hypothesis anymore. Because every time I think about a theory, all these new rules of the comic book dimension come to play and it's all speculative. Actually I think it would have been 10x better if they aired this episode and last weeks episode together like it was suppose to be aired, because right now all these events seem so displaced but if we watched it right after episode 7 there was a lot of build up and this new time reversal plot wouldn't have been so out of left field. They should have just aired both eps this week!!!

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Kang Chul is the velveteen rabbit love will make him real.

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Yay! This was my theory too. ?

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Just chipping in my two cents to say how So Hee is getting on my last two nerves. I don't know if it's the actress but I just find her so obnoxious, when were actually suppose to be feeling sympathy for her but every time she's on the screen I just have to roll my eyes and wait for the scene to be over. It's going to become a serious deferent to watching the show if she starts appearing in it more frequently now that she's regained her role as the female lead.. Ugh.

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So it wasn't just me that was not impressed with the actress playing Sohee performance. It took me a while to figure out whether the character was being sincere or not when she cried because I could not read any true emotion on her face. :S Hopefully crying scenes are her weakness and she'll improve in the upcoming episodes.

Honestly, I am not a fan of her character either. However, I do like how she is a play on the typical second-lead whose entire existence rest on her being a mere plot-device. W's writer seems to be poking fun at the various elements of lazy writing.

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Totally agree that the writers are using the manwha world to mock lazy writing. And I'm loving the tongue-in-cheek fun.

It's particularly obvious with the killer. He's a frighteningly bad character, precisely because he's a bad (poorly conceived) character. Without context and a better concept he's near unstoppable and irredeemable. But, hopefully, dad to the rescue with a rewrite? Can't wait to see how they resolve this.

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I would totally like to see a drama where a second lead is aware that she is just a plot device and has no chance with her world's main lead that she enters another world where she becomes the main character. That would be a great concept for a drama.

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I am so glad I am not alone in this. For me it's both the actress and the character. I haven't like her one bit since she setup YJ to go to prison and disregards KC's order as her boss, regardless what sensible explanation there is.

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I'm giving her some slack since she plays Bong Pal's mother in Bring It On Ghost. It's a small part, but if she raised Bong Pal, she can't be so bad! Lol

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Eh? The actress that plays SH is not the same actress who is Bongpal's mother. Bongpal's mom is older and a different actress.

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Sorry to interrupt but i cant help but say that SoHee is the least frustrating of all the second leads i have seen so far ( i will eat my words if she becomes the typical one in future). Unlike many, I have rarely have had second lead syndrome ( except for SKS's Moon Jae Shin).

But here, I would defend SH for all her actions so far. She tricked YJ into revealing her identity to protect KC because she saw YJ as a threat to KC's life not her love. Moreover she has so far held herself in a respectable manner and have never went out of limits. She waited patiently for KC but ended up losing him. Well, here too i dont have a second lead syndrome, I for sure ship KC-YJ couple, but i meant to say SH doesn't deserve hate from us so far.

That said, its unfortunate that the actor who plays SH puts forth a very bad performance especially in the crying scenes.

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I was cringing through that drunk phone call - I liked the actress well enough in Grapevine (her debut) but it turns out she plays all her roles the exact same way. And that drunk crying gave me serious secondhand embarrassment because her acting was so bad.

I can feel some sympathy for her as a suddenly redundant plot device. But the acting doesn't help you to care for her at all.

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It feels so good to not be the only one feeling this way! I had zero sympathy for her here and almost wished she'd just disappeared. Why did I feel that way? Because the crying scene looked so fake, who cries that way! I'm not buying the character this actress is trying to sell. It never felt like her role was important to me plotwise and the actress is not doing a good job in my opinion.

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She was okay in Moorim High School, but now I'm beginning to wonder if that was just because the other leads in that show were equally as bad and cringey so her acting never stood out. But here she really sticks out like a sore thumb and I literally can't stand her in some scenes, I hope her role gets cut down now that we're going in essentially season 2 of W.

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She was absolutely fine in Grapevine, probably because her role was minor and it was tailored to her style of acting. But the problem is that she basically HAS only one mode of line delivery, and the minute the script needs anything else (like the 'crying' scene), her limitations are exposed.

I mean, Han Hyo-joo's not a genius actress either, and I find her general vibe often too placid for my taste, but she pulls her weight and I can actually go along for the ride with Yeon-joo/can anticipate seeing her interact with other characters. That's not the case for So-hee.

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I didn't know they aired ep 8

*cry in the corner

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Pat on the back for you. Come back once you've seen it. Let's cry together. ?

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I come back,
I know it's the most logical thing to solve all of it but it messing with my heart,
*still cry in the corner

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Whaaat? How did you survive extra hours (or day?) without W? (I assume you watched it later than you would, if you knew it was aired). ;-)

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well I maybe can't
but the real reason is Idk it aired until I saw DB recaps,
and yes , I watch it after, . . . . . .

didn't read the recap, just want to comment since it was when 200 comment there and I feel like I need to comment, haha

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That's a whole new level of double entendre!! There are two worlds within the webtoon now--one where Chul loves Yeon-joo and one where he doesn't! Oh! My heart is breaking all over again.

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What if it's 3 worlds?

The manwha with Kang Chul + Yeon Joon's reality makeup W, then the real manwha is what our narrators have been reading from? Imagine the craziest bedtime story of choice!

Because each series starts with a narration, so it's not far fetched to think that they're reading off of something tangible like a comic book.

If this is how it is, then it's really so messed up...

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What if it's a script reading for a drama instead of a comic book? (trying to catch brain before it flys away) - so the last scene would be all of them reading the lines and imagining the scenes. (Dang - it's gone!)

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Sorry for riding on your comment... >.< I have my own theory after watching this episode and I kind of want to discuss it, but I came here too late that my comments fall under the third page comments. If anyone is interested, feel free to check it on comment #112...

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Ok, I am officially in love with this writer and PD. OMG. Mindblower! Oh-my-GOD! As he was walking backwards, i kept thinking, really, he can't possibly mean to do what I think he is doing... no, no, no, then he fell. I gasped and had to wipe tears I did not know I was shedding and unclench the fist I made without realizing. Damn. That was sacrifice.

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but to add to @apple's comment and GF's suspicions, I too think that there are THREE worlds in this drama, Yeon Joo's world, Kang Chul's world and the real, "reel" world. So to say. Maybe Yeon Joo is the star of a tv drama about a manhwa writer; maybe that's why the villain's words are showing as chyron in her world???? Maybe there is some behind-the-scenes drama in the Yeon Joo drama world where one writer wants to end the show and another writer wants to continue it..... maybe it's a fight over genres: romance vs thriller! Who knows!!! Am so looking forward to the next episode!

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Why do I have the feeling, that he remembers everything but he acts like he doesn't. I have the feeling that he knows it wasnt a dream and he remebers her too...What if he he doesn't say anything because he knows that is is in the webton and eveybody sees ist. An he also wants it to end?

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Episode 8 -- yeah, all of that happened. Yes, it did.
I've never dropped so many f-bombs while watching a show on television.

I could go on forever reacting to this episode. This is the best I can do for now.

1. No face has upped his status from villain to super villain. How can this thing have teleporting skills??

2. How many failed suicide attempts does it take one Kang Chul to screw a lightbulb?

3. The W manwha just turned into Survivor. Seems like So Hee avoided elimination and has lived to see another day. (It wasn't the best time for OYJ's wake up call but damn, it happened.)

4. The real cliffhanger for this episode is, WTF just happened to OSM??? And I'm serious about dropping the WTF in this sentence...

5. Dream sequence trope -- kdramaland law Chapter 28 states: dream sequences are usually 20-30 second clips of fantasies from a hero/heroines point of view. In W's perspective, dream sequences are epiphanies of doom.

6. Chapter 29: How to avoid getting shot: teleport to a parallel universe. 29.1: how to avoid drowning: teleport to a parallel universe.

7. Chapter 30: how to avoid answering the call of death, never answer a call from an unregistered or unidentifiable number. "Hello, Sydney."

8. Variables and Contexts are logic and reasoning in its true essence and form.

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Damn that must have hurt like hell for OYJ to hear Kang Chul drop those words, "You know its a fake marriage. There is nothing going on vetween us."
That's like the worst wake up call ever. It's not even enlightening. It's heart wrenching.

So today's lesson is: you can't mess with destiny even if it's in a manwha.

Plus... I think it wasn't a selfish act for Kang Chul to just pull the plug and reset everything back to zero. He had the very best intentions and this guy is driven by logic and purpose. It wasn't the best plan at all, but it was something that had to be done since he knew time and fate weren't things to be messed with.

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Yeah, not selfish at all. It's the best way and he doesn't have a lot of option (actually no other option imo). My favorite scene in this episode was when Chul visited Sohee (and the scenes with Sohee panicking). The look on his face seeing her "disappearing" is a look one would have when seeing a terribly wounded person (even a dying one as how Sohee puts it). And in the manhwa world, this is the closest to being fatally wounded or dying. In some ways, I find this to be more cruel. There's something extremely sorrowful with the fact that when you no longer serve a purpose (to the main character), you just disappear without really understanding what you have done to have such fate. And you will be wiped out never knowing how and why. That scene broke my heart.

And when KC said that the marriage is just fake... OUCH especially with YJ there. I know he said it to make her feel better, but I also don't doubt his words when he said she's important to him. She is his closest friend. He just can't give the kind of love she seeks.

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I know SH makes me very sad!

This drama makes me think about fictional characters in a very different way.

What happened to all the characters in stories I fell in love with in past 20 years? All the books, shows, comics, cartoons - I have forgotten many of their names, have they disappeared?

How sad it is to have characters single sole purpose? How can they disappear when story ends? They lived in millions of people's head. We can say they might keep living in a way.

I keep thinking about Bing Bong from Inside out. I cried like a baby when he decides to fade into oblivion. How many Bing Bongs have I forgotten? How many Bing Bong's sole purpose was just to make me feel better?

Like everyone I have always wanted my fictional characters to come alive. But now, I feel I am selfish. How sad of a existence would it be !

Might be a funny comparison, but imagine if Road Runner cartoon was real?
The wolf forever destined to fail and the roadrunner forever destined to run!

I know I have already prayed to dramagods for happy ending in this drama but can I just ask one more thing please??

Give SH another purpose! Let her have her own lifeeee !
Preferably her coming to real world and falling in love with Su Bong??

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So many feels!

I was just talking about a story I read as an early teen. I don't even remember her age or the catalyst that made he spend the summer with her mom. So many favorite characters who were friends when I needed them. But just when I needed them *tears*

I love that you've coined them Bing Bongs. It could be fictional characters on multiple media sources. It could be actual imaginary friends. It could be the stranger who compliments you on the street. We often interact with people who are not prominent in our lives. We are not characters to disappear Bing Bong/So Hee style. We continue our lives, just not playing a role in theirs.

Personally I ship Do Yoon/So Hee. But that's kinda shipping the spares even though there is no second male lead. Soo Bong/So Hee could be fun, especially with that glimpse of character we saw in the flashback. She'd totally put him in a headlock.

Sorry to pair the spares, but Do Yoon needs love. So DY and one of the assistants? If I recall correctly the non blonde one is funny. Or a noona romance, OYJ's imo doesn't seem to be married. Or the nurse. Or the lady from the fashion store. Or a maid. I'm not in control of him, on e he gains free will he can do what he wants, but the options are endless.

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Am I the only one that's getting REALLY annoyed with Yeon So Hee ? Like tremendously annoyed. She has all the staple characteristics of typical second lead fiddle to the main hero, but it's just that here she has a solid alibi for acting out the way she does, so you can't logically hate on her since not being with the main character defies her existence. But I still hate her!! And she's the ONLY character in rh show that I find annoying to no end, like I can't deal with her scenes. Maybe it's the actress ? I don't know, maybe it's just me.. But she's getting really obnoxious even though she has reason to be and were suppose to be feeling sympathy for her..

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So Hee can't cry for reals...it felt forced..maybe its just the actress, but I feel ya.

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"What happened to all the characters in stories I fell in love with in past 20 years? All the books, shows, comics, cartoons – I have forgotten many of their names, have they disappeared?"

Flip it the other way around. What makes us think they're not still there, living in their own world? If we can't observe or find out what happens to them anymore, do they cease to exist? Who defines existence, anyway?

I always thought that when the book ends or the credits roll, I they move on with their lives, and we're the ones who are left out. Not the other way around.

(Back to W, it's a cool concept that the characters are fading when they stop serving their purpose. And it gives me feeelsss while watching. But it doesn't make me sad about all the other books or shows that I've finished because like I said, I think it's the other way around.)

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That's so true!! I read a lot to help work through my problems (there's just something about reading a hero overcome their tragedies that's cathartic and makes you think: I can do this!), and it's terrible to think what I've done to those characters if they were real. Better not to think about it. But that makes me feel selfish for closing my eyes! Arrrgh what have you done to me, show??

As for So-hee and Su-bong, I dunno... he seemed a bit obsessed, trying to feed that cardboard cutout. Better have him and Do-yoon fight for her... except that I still don't like her very much! Oh dear.

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Okay, so many I should clarify about where my comments are headed, since we've reached the last indentations. The one above is @Divyrus, although @Purple Owl I had you in mind to. ^^

And @mary, thank you! I hadn't read your comment yet, and that's a good point. And a comforting one (and I'm worried about fictional characters with no context. What even is my life?). In the past I've imagined a mix of the two (...and they continue adventuring happily ever after). Which made me wonder like YJ if they really did. But I like your version better.

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@Cozybooks, it's happy for them, but sad for us! LOL

We're like Yeon-joo in a way. The characters we meet are all cool people living adventurous lives. We get a glimpse of their life and share in their pain and happiness. And then they move on and we're left with all the memories and no way to check on them anymore.

This is why Peter Pan made me so sad...

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@mary prefer to think they continue living their lives. I havw a masochistic love for non endings.

@Cozybooks Soo Bong is obsessed but that's what makes it fun, teehee. Lee Shi Un would act that out perfectly. A fight would be nice to. Especially given how she's feeling at the moment.

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@Purple Owl, judging by how much Su-bong flails in dire situations, he probably fights like Jung-do in Police Unit 38...

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The characters in finished book/series/movies/etc don't die or disappear. They continue to live on in people's imagination. How many times did I try to imagine the future life of the hero of a book? I can't even count! And now there are even people writing fanfiction to make their lives continue. So they don't die. In my opinion if a painter, a writer can be immortal through their paintings and books, then a character is immortal through our imagination and dreams.

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Okay I had a busy day and I swear I had good replies for all your comments ! Detailed analysis on fictional characters we obsess on, I also had examples.

BUT, I ended up watching the next episode - and now am not even sane or alive. Its just random WTF and OMG!

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I agree. You could almost call this noble idiocy, but it's smart and it keeps everyone safe. Chul loses his free will too (for now) and while it sucks that he's not addressing how much this will hurt Yeon Joo, he's losing out too.

I love the way the writer is taking all of these drama tropes that people hate and twisting them into something new. It's so smart.

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And so, W becomes a cautionary tale for those of us that become obsessed with fictional stories (myself included, I promise). Dang.

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people keep saying he's not thinking of YJ's feelings but like she was almost killed that same day? and she was freaking out about it next to him in the car seconds later? when he tells her he's just a webtoon character and to forget him. he's not just saying that for her benefit but because he legit believes it and that her life is not worth being risked cuz of him. and he's not ready to watch yet ANOTHER person he loves die on him, for essentially no reason what so ever. he isnt just trying to save his world but YJ's life. He even said that the thing most important is that she cannot die.

This isnt a case of sticking thru the hardships no matter what, cuz had he done nothing, they'd be stuck together in a world collapsing in on itself with the threat of YJ being murdered hanging over them every single day. It was legit the ONLY thing he or anyone else could do at this point. and that's why YJ did as she was asked. She knows it too. but it still hurts ofc. It hurts cuz she loses the man she loves and he loses her and his free will in the process. He's essentially condemning himself to a glorified purgatory really. and i wouldnt be surprised if that's part of why she was so heartbroken. Anyway, he believes that YJ can and will go on with her life just fine without him because he's not "real" but even as smart as he is, he underestimates YJ's love for him and her resourcefulness (plus he still doesnt know she technically created him).

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I completely agree with you. We can speculate all we want but the facts now are quite simple: she is a real person, he is a webtoon character. That's an impossible love story to begin with. Chul definitely knew ahead of time that at some point he would need to let Yeon Joo go (that's the feeling I had in the past episodes). I didn't expect the suicide plot but making him think it was a dream seems like a nice way to put everything back to it's place. If you think of it, Yeon Joo and Chul messed the webtoon world big time. I can't help but think of time travelling dramas (such as Nine) in which slightly changing a tiny thing in the past can produce big changes in the present (again thinking about Nine)

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I think there's a few things that makes this situation a rare example of noble idiocy being done RIGHT.

This decision--to turn back time and erase Chul's memory--is something that Chul and Yeon-Joo decide together, rather than having a single person decide unilaterally, "Well, this is what's gonna happen, and there's nothing you can do about it." (Note that Yeon-Joo agreed to do what Chul suggested BEFORE he threatened to commit suicide, meaning that decision wasn't unilateral.)

On a similar note, this is a situation where both individuals have to sacrifice something important to them in order to keep other safe, rather than having one character sacrifice a lot and the other character be relatively unscathed.

Additionally, the threat that Chul and Yeon-Joo is obvious to us, the audience--it's not something vague and intangible that really isn't worth being a noble idiot over.

And, perhaps most importantly, there's no other option for Chul and Yeon-Joo, who were being backed into a corner by an unstoppable, unkillable man who can appear and disappear at will. In other shows, the noble idiot picks the stupidest option out of sea of other things they could've done instead; in this situation, Chul and Yeon-Joo are clearly doing the best that they can do in a terrible, impossible situation.

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I don't know who I felt for more in that moment, KC who was giving everything up or OYJ who was doing the same AND had to draw it.

@rentenmann but will we listen? Probably not kekeke

@Tai the threat of her being killed isn't just every day bit literally every second and anywhere, different dimensions, as long as KC cares for her

@Dee-Oh +1000 to every point you made about noble idiocy.

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Exactly! The writer seemed to have read the drama rule book and decided to break every single one of them (or at least as you said, twisted them). I just saw EP 9 and well WTF OMG.

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I cannot wait for girlfriday's recap....everything I knew about kdramas and fiction just went from Academia to Nil.

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re: worst wake up call ever.

Yeah, I agree. But I really like how she handled it--she didn't break down right there, she didn't shut herself off from KC. No, she stayed in control of herself and even took care of So-hee's injuries while they figured things out. And I love that she still accepted Chul really loved her--she didn't seem to doubt the sincerity of his feelings for her. That makes it doubly heartbreaking when they split on the rooftop.

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Yeah tbh I dont thinks he was hurt by him saying those things to Sohee at all. She knows why he did it, and that it was the compassionate thing for him to do.
She was hurt cuz of all the drama and pain that's happened since she appeared in KC's world. She's got a good heart so watching sohee crying on the floor, bleeding, and thinking she's DYING. well she was obv more sad for SH at that point than herself.
Plus ultimately the magic words werent "I dont love YJ I love you" but "I need you". important distinction! (im agreeing with u but in a long winded way haha)

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He's never dropped the L-word. Remember, he had to "study" about sweet romance.

Come to think of it, if his romance of choice was #4, that could've been a default setting made by OSM, hahahaha, that's hilarious, didn't think OSM was a closeted perv.

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Unfortunately I think that #4 being Chul's favorite doesn't come from OSM but from society that somehow consider men as having more sexual desires than women.

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i always thought he just said it to mess with her haha. cuz he knows it would fluster her and that makes him smile. plus technically he doesnt know about romance at all, he's a hero in a crime/thriller afterall. (sex without romance is possible ofc, just as romance without sex is also possible)

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I love how that scene between the three of them played out, especially how YJ handled everything up until KC jumped.

Conclusion: the one to be blamed is Dad and his writing. hahaha!

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I don't think it was selfish either. Also, Kang Chul doesn't totally understand the rules, but he does understand some things.
For example, if Kang Chul doesn't live out his purpose, whatever it might be, will he disappear? If he doesn't follow the script, not only does the only world he knows disappear, he doesn't know what happens to himself, exactly.
To him, his world is still alive. Though created, he believes in the humanity of his world.

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What KC said hit me in the gut too. =( That's probably why he asked YJ not to come inside with him to see SH. He knew that he must say some necessary words to give purpose to SH's character in order for her to remain existent in his world.

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After Episode 7, I am absolutely looking forward to a very long honeymoon sequel to the first episodes despite the threat in Yeo-joo's life.. only to be cut short here in Episode 8. It's not even surprising that Kang Chul made that choice since he really is driven by logic and justice and living his life with Yeo-joo meant suffering for other characters (i.e. So Hee), I already expected this turn of events.

BUT it is still heartbreaking for Yeo-joo to actually do the act of making Kang Chul forget everything as if it was a dream and make herself suffer alone by keeping all those memories. Now that Yeo-joo's back to the real world, what will happen to both of them? How will she return to the manhwa world if Kang Chul can't remember her?

Also, what will happen to the Killer when he's actually wreaking havoc in the real world? I just hope he doesn't go on killing just anybody.

This episode had me up then threw me at the bottom. I braced myself for the things to come and yet no preparation is enough for my heart.

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Kang Chul has never been an emotional person. He's smart and logical. It didn't surprise me that he figured things out on his own --- I wouldn't say that what he thought of and narrated to us was the right thing(s) but it made sense -- logically and sensibly.

He gets to be more emotional when he's with OYJ and that completes his humanism. So him having to decide to reset everything back was the best possible choice he could make that moment.

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re: what happens to the killer.

I know, right? So now she's back in the real world and he's forgotten everything (*sobs*). But does this mean the killer is back in the webtoon?

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Nah, I think No-face and Daddy Oh are having their penultimate meet-up over fancy drinks with paper umbrellas. Hehehe.

But I'm looking forward to what Daddy Oh will say, will he be upfront or will he try and convince no-face about the greater good blah blah? I'm just scared that these two might end up as a team.. Oh what pure evil..

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I knew it! The sweet I-wanna-barf-watching-but-I-love-it-so-much-and-I'm-jealous-of-Han-Hyo-Joo moments are just gonna be taken away mercilessly from us! I wanna cry with you too T_T

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Will daddy Oh have time to talk to no face killer? Because to me it seems like no face killer hits and then ask question (like creepy vet in bring it on ghost)

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You win Dramabeans this week. Callbacks to Buffy, Alias, and Survivor? FTW.

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LOL at survivor and 'Hello, Sydney' comment... bahahaha

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Brain: "I resign!" ;-)

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I think I'll go with this comment. Cause of death: Brain damage due to unfathomable series of events in this drama

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Seriously. Remember that news when the writer said, "I'm worried they'll be able to follow everything, so we'll take the first few episodes slow." And then we were like, "psh, no way man we got this!" ... well now I understand why she was worried.

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LOL, i love her. "so how high can i take this high concept premise before it gets a lil too high?". I appreciate her aiming for the moon in that case. I like when a drama manages to feel so fun while making you think at the same time. lots of theories! but for me i'm mainly here for the ride. got no problems following so far but it does take some critical thinking. more than i expected from a kdrama! lol

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When did slow ever happen?

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I second that! From the beginning until now I feel like on a roller coaster with lots of vertical loops. When will it calm down and just slowly go straight?

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Curious for what happened t OSM writer and the assistant, is he really kidnapped or the scariest thing he dead coz of the culprit, and how bout the assistant, is she really death ? If she was killed by the culprit it will be track in OYJ's world and it will be scar in her world, is it the one reason that make Chul backs to OYJ's world in the next ep?
There are lots question that need to answering for next ep
Can't wait for the next ep ,

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yeah i thought OSM might have been killed but the preview nixed that idea, unless he wrote a will or smth lol. so who knows what happened now. but now that W world has been reset, i presume the killer is back where he belongs, however what about the woman he killed while he was there? or the damage he did to soo bong(?) car? will he remember ANY of what happened before the comic got reset? it seems like OSM might have. WHAT DID KC WRITE TO OSM VIA TEXT? and how did he even think OSM would see it anyway???
Lots of things to ponder about, I hope we get to find out tonight and not another week from now -_- gdi mbc

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I personally don't think OSM got killed. As we may already know about this drama, the time went faster in drama rather in real world, I'd say our faceless killer might got sucked back into webtoon world, leaving OSM in the toilet while at the same time KC fell off the building and opened his eyes in newly-reset world.

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KC wrote it on his phone and transferred it to a USB drive. That's what he gave YJ before he walked away and jumped.

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I think it was KC's to-do list for OSM.. Probably even a thank you note... Or an apology...

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"Writer-nim, take some writing lessons and fix the story or I'll shoot you again."

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@mary: Lol. Haven't we all said something similar while watching some crazy kdrama melo?

I'm really loving is show.

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ohhhh! i totally blanked that part out. thank u for reminding me. and ep 9 is subbed now so i should go watch it!

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I do not think Dad was killed. As simple as the killer is, he wants to find out who he is (and kill Kang Chul) more than anything; and he needs Dad for that.
My guess is that Dad was just badly scared this time :) . Moreover, Kang Chul has left him a message and I think he will ask Dad to write a consistent story so everyone can find their purpose in the webtoon and things can get a closure. This way, everyone can be safe. I see Dad playing an important role in what is to come...but I do not know how this fits with the love line :P ...because there has to be a love line: the reunion of these two after Kang Chul remembers will be epic :D

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Following the logic (?) so far, she should be dead because there was the hole in the windshield. If she's completely fine in the next episode (PLEASE don't leave that lose thread) I don't have a clue, because Dad was injured by a comic book gun, sooo...

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This comment needs to enter the Hall of Fame of.... of... comments. >_>;; <3

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same thoughts

I SWORE, I HAD NEVER HAD SO MANY MINDBLOWNS IN JUST ONE EPISODE. ((esp on the ep 9 preview, it was just so hard to decipher))

1. where did OSM go?

2. WHO THE HECK IS THE KILLER? y u do dis?

3. its the worst case senario of amnesia i had ever watched in kdramas, gAAAHD

with regards to ep 9 preview:

1. HOW COULD U JUST FORGET ABOUT OYJ, KANG CHUL??!!! how? huhuhuhuh i cannot stress about this anymore

2. what do the narrator mean by knowing the 'acceptable killer' for kang chul, by the same time he held into OYJ's hands?? its beyond confusing, is the narrator pertaining to HER? oh nO U DONT, u cant

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Personally, I don't watch the previews because the clips they show are enough to give me a synopsis of what will happen next. And I do like the anticipation, it makes me appreciate this drama more.

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I do watch previews (curse my self-spoiling heart), but this week's as was really good--gave me all of the anticipation and none of the spoiler information. I have zero clue where the writer is taking us now. Zero clues. I'm considering stopping with the previews, though, just in case. (who am I kidding? I'd never last the week-wait without them :P )

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i love previews, but usually cuz we get a week between them and they usually contain previews from both eps of that week not just the one. but since MBC f'd up the airing order...-_- who knows how that'll go. not to mention how intentionally misleading they can be!
I think with the reset, it gives OSM the chance to brainstorm with his daughter about how to give the killer an identity that KC can accept so the story can finally move forward and conclude without further chaos being unleashed. (osm seems to have been really affected by his confrontation with KC. he seems to have mellowed out a bit and become less bitter/mean...hmm). Also i rly wanna know what KC wrote to OSM, why and how he expects OSM to see it.

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I watch the previews! But the recappers don't. That's why preview discussion is considered spoiler. But so many people talking about it here... :'( It's a nightmare trying to save those who didn't watch from those who wanna talk about it. T____T

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I try my best to skip those comments... I got to watch ep 9.. So I have to wait for girlfriday to post her recap first!

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I tried not watching previews but I can't. It kind of helps to get through a week of waiting after the 2nd ep each week. Also, I have no idea what's happening in the preview anyway. hahaha!

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I'm part of the preview-watching camp too ^___^ Just trying to restrain myself for those who don't watch previews.

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No-Face has teleporting powers thanks to Dad, right?
Lol, on Survivor & Chapter 29

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You made my day!

1. I was so surprised and envious of faceless killer teleportation with an integrated GPS skills! The guy knew where to find everything! And he managed to teleport himself in a freaking moving plane

4. I so agree with you. Right now the only thing that I'm wondering is whether making the whole thing a dream to Chul has an impact on what actually happened in the real world. Is OSM dead? Is the killer still in the real world? Since everything is now a dream has the killer actually shot Yeon Joo?

6. Teleportation is life!

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Re #4 omo, a dream-within-a-dream. That should mean nothing happened right? Right?!

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Well I don't think it worked that way in inception no?

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yay! Finally! been waiting for the recap!! thanks GF! This episode really! I have no words for it! Never been so affected by a drama before but W still continues to make me speechless every time!!! And that ending omg!!! so heart wrenching!!!

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Actually, I don’t think this is time resetting, not to mention amnesia.

I call it reality resetting. As we often see in comic books, there are events shown in a sequence of panels that we thought were real and really happened, turn out to be one character’s imagination or illusion or, as in this case, a dream, usually with half a bubble drawn under the lower edge of a panel to indicate to the reader that this sequence of panels above it is not reality.

KC’s own imagination of YJ being shot and YJ’s party dream are both examples of this method. Especially with the latter, they completely had me there. I thought that was real. These two perfectly foreshadowed the turn of plot at the end of Episode 8.

THAT has nothing to do with time exactly, but everything to do with logic of the narrative. It obsoletes the reality and resets what is real.

Then it leads me to another question I can’t help asking: what is the reality in the comic world. When KC woke up from his dream, all readers of comic book W would conclude: the psycho arc is just a dream hooray. However, for us drama viewers, we know those things actually happened( or did they? ) It seems that the reality in this manhwa world entirely relies on observation and understanding by the 3D real world audience.

Just a bit like a thought I enterntain from time to time:the world might not exist after I die or before I was born, since I would not be there to observe it.

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I am sure all of us are gonna be in a deep existential crisis by end of the drama !!!

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see this drama is good for me cuz i'm having an existential crisis every other day. lol

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"Just a bit like a thought I enterntain from time to time:the world might not exist after I die or before I was born, since I would not be there to observe it."

Schrödinger's cat?

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The cat is both alive and dead... heol...

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I've had that thought too. Did the American Revolution really happen or was that just for forming the scope of the world? What if the world existed before me but not very long?

What if the last 100, 200, 400 years and so on is all that ever was. The world has been tell in in its history to make it what we know today, but did any of those things happen?

What if we've only existed 200 years?

Otherwise this show is perfect for a theory I have.

Theory:
The closer you are to a person the higher your chances of predicting a day in their life. If someone isn't around me, what is their day like? Work? Coworkers? Family? Friends? Kang Chul is the MC and if the other characters aren't talking about him or doing a purpose around him, their time is on fast forward.

For people we don't know as well, that's how predicting would go. Some family friend who we know works Sun-Thurs at such and such job. But we don't know much about their friends. We don't know much about their family. And even less about their coworkers. If we think about them during the day, we can't guess with any conviction what they are doing in that moment.

But maybe we could for our sibling or close friend. We know a good amount of what fills their day. To us, everyone's time is simply fast forwarding until we see each other again, but especially people we are not as close to. And we ask about the time in between.

Sorry. I have a lot of strange thoughts that I can't voice properly. I can barely write it clearly. I don't know if anyone outside of book characters have these thoughts in their head, kekeke

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It's an interesting thought, though--and I get what you mean. And it does have its parallels in real life--we only ask about the parts of their day we're curious about, where we don't know what happened. Here's another thought:

Have you ever heard of point of reference as a it relates to existence? It makes Harry Potter as real as your mom.

When you're not with your mom, how do you know she exists? You have memories of her, experiences with her, you remember what she looks like and sounds like. If you talk to another person who knows her, they reconfirm that she exists.
Now take Harry Potter. He doesn't exist, but you have memories with him, experiences with him, you know what he looks like and sounds like. If you talk to someone who knows him, they reconfirm that he exists.

This is because when you mention someone's name, there's a mutual point of reference that ought to indicate what you're talking about. If there's no mutual recognition, who's to say it exists except in your mind like HP? And since there's (probably) more people who know HP than your mom (or mine), that means HP is more real--at least when you're not with her. Crazy, huh?

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My mom is real because I think my brain is too lazy to invent an imaginary person who can force me to clean my room and wash the dishes.

(jk your comment about shared existence is cool; so many awesome discussions here)

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Lol! - my mom too! That or I have one strong imagination that likes to make me clean.

@Cozybooks- if I had a brain left that would have blown it away.

@PurpleOwl - going by how long the world existed would mean that nothing was around before I was born? But I have plumbing! I know there are people who really do believe that the world is not very old but I believe in science. It's an interesting concept though.

I like your theory though and it is really applicable to real (? our) life. (Sorry having an existential crisis)

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Never thought of it that way but what you explained is kinda cool!

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Going off on a tangent: interesting to know that the W manwha is still "writing itself" in YJ's world (I'm too paranoid to call it the "real world" anymore).

Slightly inconvenient for YJ and KC that when they're in the manhwa world, they can't read the cartoon and get the bigger picture. Kinda like how when you're talking in your sleep, you can't hear what you're saying. The manwha allows them to know each other's feelings and situation - but usually they can only read it when they're apart.

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I would have loved to have had Professor Crazy Dog get his hands on those unreleased scenes. He'd flipped over all the craziness!

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Actually, Crazy Dog is one of my main reasons for thinking YJ's world may not be the "real" world! He's so extra!

It would be so typically meta for the cartoon character to go around flipping out about his favourite manhwa, when he's actually a manwha character himself!!

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Seriously, I can't wait to see if there's anything to that (their world being "real" or not). My two theories right now are:

1. their world isn't real either (it's a drama) and it'll end with that realization (heartbreaking!)
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2. Their worlds are colliding, merging as Yeon-joo and Kang Chul bring them together.

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I am slightly biased towards the idea of worlds colliding between "real" and manhwa because I would love to see how that will translate on screen. I bet it'll be beautiful and goosebumps-inducing judging from how magnificently cinematography has been delivered in this drama so far.

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I think she should have gone back and immediately drawn him waking up from a dream BEFORE his family was ever killed. Negate Faceless' existence totally.

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but... but... then he'd be young, way younger than Yeon-joo and their love would be totally weird. "Hi, I'm from ten years into your future alternate timeline where your parents were murdered. We were married." What?

*sigh* now I'm feeling guilty because I should really care more about saving his family. ^^

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@Coxybooks, yasss to both parts! That would be a hilarious love. But I also don't necessarily want his family saved. I'm a terrible person.

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I also thought like you and then thought otherwise. If Chul's family doesn't die then he has no purpose in life. the reason why he exists in the webtoon is for him to find his family's killer. It's cruel but true

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Soooooo, if Chul finds the killer he no longer has a purpose in life and stops existing...?

No! Erase...erase...unthink...!

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I hope not and that on the journey of finding his family's killer he will find another life purpose. Or even better, can't he just become human?!

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Reminds me of Butterfly Effect's ending. Oh, i cried for days..

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Yeah i agree its nothing to do with going back in time or amnesia either. in W itself, these arent memories he forgot, but things that never even happened to begin with. they are a "dream".
But since W is a comic, that means the readers (we viewers too) know what occurred but he and his world does NOT. its dramatic irony at its finest even tho the trope used here is one of the laziest most obnoxious tropes a writer can use. The "it was all a dream" trope. To essentially undue, chapters (or episodes) worth of character progression, emotion and etc because the writers dont want to deal with the consequences anymore/and or wrote themselves into a corner. so instead of trying to be more creative, they jsut write themselves a quick handy fixit. ofc in this case its totally understandable.
In other words...what's happening is a total retcon, a re-do. They are going back to the very beginning, because it's a very good place to start. lol

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"When you read you begin with A, B, C (for Chul)." Hah, I'll be humming that all day.

What I love about W is how she's taking all of the laziest writing tricks and making them valid plot points. Tragic backstory without a resolution? Got it. Villain that hates our hero "because he's written that way"? Got it. Everything was secretly a dream? Got it--and it's all on purpose! In an earlier episode thread someone talked about how it's like the writer's rage quitting at all lazy writers, and they were totally right.

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Also the secondary girl who has no role but to pine hopelessly after the male lead and hate/envy the female lead! that was so tragic and perfect man. like she literally stopped existing once she thought he didnt need her anymore.

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I'm confused...

Is the time reset (like many have stated)? Or is it a reality resetting like @Cipher (comment#4) explained?

If it's a time reset, then not only our characters can go back and forth between worlds/environments, but some (not all) can go back in time.

If it's a story/reality resetting, then we're technically not back in time... Or are we? My brain can't think anymore!

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Oh gosh girlfriday, if this turns out to be a story within a story and Yeon Joo's world isn't even real... wtf, hahaha. Oh man I will just laugh and die. Now I've got something else to gnaw on because I never even thought about that possibility! Our world is where the Editor (or whatever) exists, the one controlling everything and erasing the end to continue? Dang.

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What even is this show?! I never know how I'm going to feel by the time the episode ends, or how to react for that matter. But for a moment could you just IMAGINE that this episode did air last Thursday like it was suppose to, what a horrible/mindblowing(?) cliffhanger that would have been!!!!! Imagine having to wait a whole entire week to find out what happened next! But thank god MBC decided to air episodes normally this week, I wouldn't have been able to withstand the curiosity.

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Omg! Is this what's going to happen now, like Kang Chul and Yeon Joo literally have time and space as well as a parallel reality standing between them now, so every time one of them is hurt or in dangers are we going to go back into the past and redo everything all over again???

I can't say that I'm complaining, I always like the beginning awkward stages of the romance where the characters aren't really sure what to do with themselves, and plus now we just get to see them fall in love over again. And I love me some angst!! Bring on the angst!

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I think my favorite part about this is that it will resolve (hopefully) the concerns some viewers had about them falling in love so quickly. I felt it, but I know some others didn't and so this presents an opportunity for them to get to know each other again--more normally this time.

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