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Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo: Episode 6

As if our resident damsel in distress couldn’t get into any more trouble, a sudden marriage is thrust upon her that she’s in no way equipped to deal with. (For that matter, neither are we.) It comes down to her troop of loyal princes to save her from an uncertain fate, though some need a little prodding to agree. And in the end, there’s only so much that they can do for her—the rest is up to Su.

Note: There are some different versions of these episodes floating around the vastness of the net, but for our purposes, we’ll be recapping off the version streamed live in Korea. So don’t be alarmed if you read of some scenes you haven’t seen, or don’t read of some that you have.

 
EPISODE 6 RECAP

Everyone’s dressed in white mourning robes for the funeral of Lady Hae, but it’s her husband, Wook, who lights the funeral pyre. Thirteenth prince Baek-ah keeps to himself as he cries over his own drawings of his late sister-in-law. Not just a sister-in-law to him, it seems.

Su sobs as the pyre goes up in flames, with So taking particular notice of her sadness. Wook remains in control of his expression.

Next thing we know, we find Su sitting with Baek-ah, who talks about having to wait to join Lady Hae in the afterlife. Su cries about how much she misses Lady Hae, and the two commiserate together. Are you guys friends now? When did this happen?

Su comes upon Wook sitting on the floor in his library later that night, but says nothing. He stares forward as he begins to talk aloud, though it seems like he’s talking more to himself than to her: “Why could I not say it? I knew she wanted to hear it, but I could not tell her that I loved her. I did not think that I did love her.”

But then, he says, he realized that his feelings were love, and that he did in fact love her. He was confused between what he thought were feelings of gratitude and general comfort with her, but in the end, he realized it was love.

Wook begins to cry piteously as he asks Su what he should do now. Like a lost child, he reaches forward to grab her skirt, desperately needing her comfort and assurance. “I should have told her,” he cries. “She waited so long.”

Wiping away at her own tears, Su kneels before him and takes him by the shoulders as she tells him that Lady Hae already knew. It’s not enough to soothe him, as he only sobs more deeply while blaming himself for being unable to tell his wife while it still mattered. He pushes Su’s arms away as he retreats back into himself, crying.

On her own, Su worries about what she’ll do now that Lady Hae is gone, but is interrupted by an insistent knock at her window. She opens it, and up pops a hand puppet dressed just like her. Joining it is another puppet of tenth prince Eun, as the real tenth prince alters his voice and uses the puppets to perform a cute little play of their first meeting (and his first beating).

Su can’t help but smile at the display, and Eun pokes his head up between the puppets to make sure his show is having its intended effect. Of course, he promptly proceeds to fall, having been standing on a servant’s shoulders to reach her window, which also serves to make Su laugh.

She admits that she was touched by the puppet show, adding, “You’re awesome!” (She uses the modern Korean term “Jjang!” with a thoroughly modern thumbs up). Eun’s glad to hear it, since he knew she needed some cheering up. But he hilariously wonders what the thumbs up means, and when she explains that the thumb rules over the five fingers, he thinks that’s a bit too much—the king should be the thumb.

He tries his index finger instead, thinking it a little more respectful. She laughs and goes along with it, telling him again that he’s jjang. He adopts the term as well, and mimics their conversation with the two puppets, adding some flourishes of his own, like Puppet Su gushing over how good looking Puppet Eun is. Hah.

Third prince Yo antagonizes So as has become his habit, but this time, So pushes back. He even helps his younger brother, Baek-ah, after Yo insults the artistic prince for his less than desirable lineage. Yo claims Goryeo is in danger, and So calls him out for acting like a big shot when their father still rules the throne. It’s all big talk, So claims, since Yo wouldn’t dare say any of these things in front of the king.

Su pays a visit to Lady Hae’s grave, mulling over her life here in Goryeo and how long she’ll have to live as Hae Su. These were the sorts of things she wanted to talk to Lady Hae about while she was alive, but she never got the chance. Even so, she thanks her cousin for all that she did.

Baek-ah and fourteenth prince Jung find her there and greet her warmly, so I guess we’ll have to take it on faith that Su and Baek-ah bonded over Lady Hae’s death. Jung can’t get over how fun it is to say “Fighting!” the way Su taught him. Hah.

The trio runs into Princess Yeonhwa in the palace, who claims to have good news for Su: she’ll be getting married. Cut to Wook finding out about the marriage, which Princess Yeonhwa and her elder supporters seem to be all about. It’ll be an advantageous match, and they’ll have to move on it quickly or risk losing it.

Something about it all seems fishy, and there’s only so much protesting Wook can do without looking suspicious. Baek-ah, however, is more than upset on Su’s behalf, and tries to get So to agree with him. So is unwilling to do so, since it’s Wook’s family affair—and after all, Su is of marrying age.

The other princes are thrown into a panic at the news, with Jung notifying everyone that the man Su is intended to marry is old, and has many sons. They realize that she’s not being married, she’s being sold—and ninth prince Won seems to be the only one who could care less. (Yo, who probably would care less, isn’t present.)

Wook overhears them, and asks for more information about the home Su is supposed to marry into. After hearing the details, he asks for his brothers’ help.

Slave girl Chae-ryung cries piteously as she packs her mistress’s things to prepare for her marriage, while Su looks to be in shock. Finally, she snaps herself out of it and tells Chae-ryung that she has to run. Chae-ryung completely supports her decision, and vows never to speak a word of her escape.

Luckily, Su is helped out by tenth prince Eun, who sneaks her out using the same window he used to perform the puppet show. Baek-ah also lends a helping hand, eventually getting Su to Wook, who disguises her in a hood as he leads her to a horse. “I can’t send you away like this,” Wook says, in answer to her questioning look.

Princess Yeonhwa spots Wook galloping off with Su sitting on the saddle in front of him, knowing full well who’s under the cloth. She orders a chase, and joins in it herself as her search party catches up to Wook, Jung, and his wrapped bundle.

But when it’s revealed that Eun is the one hidden under the silk, Princess Yeonhwa knows they’ve been fooled. The real Su is with So and Baek-ah, galloping as fast as they can on horseback. As they ride, Su looks back at So and thinks that she’s surprised even he pitched in to help her.

As if he can read her thoughts, So thinks, “It’s not because I like you. I simply don’t want to see you live a life where you’re controlled by others. That kind of life is not worth living.” Aw, you big softie.

All the princes converge on a common point in the forest, only to be stopped by Astronomer Choi and his party. He says he’s come to take Su into the palace, and it’s with dawning horror that Wook and the other princes come to realize exactly what he means.

“The king will marry Lady Su,” the astronomer says, much to the princes’ surprise. Wook confronts his uncles (well, the late Lady Hae’s uncles) over the match, but they’re both pleased as punch that they could become in-laws with the king. And if Su were to have the king’s child, even better for them.

Still, So refuses to let the men take Su, despite Princess Yeonhwa telling him that all of them could pay dearly if he doesn’t comply with the royal command. Su, hearing this, decides to go on her own so that no one will get hurt because of her.

Before she does, So stops her to ask if she won’t regret this. She tells him not to worry, and that she’ll try talking to the king. She can only offer a smile to Wook, but looks back up to So. Then, she’s gone. The princes are left to digest what just happened, which doesn’t seem to be an easy task.

Queen Sinmyeongsunseong confronts the king over choosing a new bride now, of all turbulent times. Worse yet, he’s in such a hurry that he’ll have the bedding before the actual ceremony even takes place. She wonders if this has something to do with him still suspecting her in the crown prince’s assassination attempt.

King Taejo basically tells her to mind her place, since he still doesn’t quite trust her and her greed. And since there are disputes on the borders, he claims, he needs the help of the Hae Clan—and the only way to get it is to marry a girl from that clan. Queen Sinmyeongsunseong huffs, and she puffs, but fails in blowing the palace down.

As she’s being carried to the palace in a palanquin, Su tries to think over her options without letting herself devolve into panic. In the palace, ROYAL CONCUBINE OH (Woo Hee-jin) is notified of the king’s soon-to-be wife.

Astronomer Choi gives Su a tour of Damiwon Palace, and completely ignores Su’s attempts to try and talk her way out of marrying a man she doesn’t know. Enter Concubine Oh, who comes to take a personal look at the new bride.

The astronomer couldn’t be happier to exit the scene, and warns Su under his breath to just follow her fate. That fate includes being checked over by Concubine Oh and her maids, since the concubine claims that a woman with scars on her body can’t marry the king.

Su crosses her arms over her chest protectively, unwilling to disrobe in front of strangers. The maids take her and strip her forcefully, with Concubine Oh claiming that they’re on a timeline—she’s to share the king’s bed tonight. What on earth is going on?

Queen Sinmyeongsunseong seems to be much more upset about the king’s potential new bride than Queen Sinjeong, but has no idea that the girl is actually Su. She finds this out when fourteenth prince Jung comes in to beg for her intervention.

Now Queen Sinmyeongsunseong understands why Wook’s mother was so calm about the wedding, because she stands to gain from it. But then Wook enters, presumably to plead with his mother for her intervention. When Queen Sinmyeongsunseong asks why he’s against Su’s marriage, Wook says it’s because he sees her as a younger sister. Also, it’s all very sudden.

Next up is Princess Yeonhwa, though we don’t get to hear what she has to say. In the meantime, Baek-ah tries to get So on their side, though he seems willing to let Su sort her own business out—she volunteered to go, after all. Baek-ah tries explaining that they’d all be dead if she hadn’t (for disobeying a royal command), but So just asks if he has feelings for her.

“I am not the one who has feelings for her,” Baek-ah retorts, though he doesn’t say who does. Instead, he tells his half-brother about how he and Su bonded after Lady Hae’s death, supplying us with flashbacks about their drunken antics following the funeral.

Su had asked him about his own feelings for Lady Hae, but Baek-ah explained that his status was too low for him to do anything about his feelings back then. Thoroughly wasted, Su had bemoaned the status system in Goryeo, and told Baek-ah to wait a thousand years—there (then), no one is above anyone else.

Though he’d tried to hush her, Su had gone on to tell Baek-ah that a person only lives once, and that death can come at any time. “You can just fall right out of the sky and end up living in a place like this,” she said, alluding to her own situation. So with that philosophy in mind, she’d advised Baek-ah to just live in the moment, and do whatever made him happy.

In the present, So gets after his little brother for listening to Su spout such nonsense, but Baek-ah firmly believes in what she espoused about status and rank. If it’s this bad for them as princes, how bad is it for ordinary citizens?

Baek-ah has no aspirations for the throne, he adds. “I only want to be free. That’s what you want too. And what about Hae Su?” So knows as well as he does that a girl without parents or siblings won’t survive in the palace, and that the king won’t pay any attention to her past the wedding night. She won’t survive living such a life, and they both know it.

Su looks like she’s had better days after her full body examination, and asks for some time alone—none of this has set in yet, since she didn’t even know what was going to happen when she woke up this morning.

The second Concubine Oh leaves, Su plans her escape, remembering the secret passageway from the bathhouse… but she’s foiled in that attempt by none other than Concubine Oh.

Now it’s So’s turn to confront Astronomer Choi over the marriage, likening him to a rabbit who always digs two holes to always guarantee at least one escape route. He knows Choi wouldn’t have just banked on one plan, and demands to know what the other part of his plan is.

King Taejo is notified that Su is waiting in the marriage chamber, which gives him momentary pause. It turns out that even he didn’t know he was marrying Su, only that he was marrying someone from the Hae household. Though he wishes it didn’t have to be Su, he’s pretty businesslike about it, and is ready to do what must be done.

Su waits in the wedding chamber dressed as a bride, but as King Taejo walks toward it, he’s stopped by the sight of his son, Prince Wook, kneeling in his path. Wook knows that what he’s doing is dangerous, but he asks the king why he’s bringing another household into the palace.

The king explains that he needs the help of the Hae Clan to settle border disputes with the Kitan (the people of Manchuria to the north), then asks Wook what stake he has in stopping the marriage. That’s when So steps in to provide another solution.

Their intervention doesn’t please the king in the least, but So goes on to say that he has a witness who saw one of Lady Hae’s uncles conspiring with the Kitan, adding that the Hae Clan should be punished, not brought in as in-laws. Their strength should be hindered in his view, and not helped.

But King Taejo says he will proceed with the marriage, since none of the options So presented are feasible. He has a responsibility to protect the border, and he sees no better way than to marry within the Hae Clan. Punishing them is not an option.

Su, having overheard the boys trying to stand up for her, runs out of the chamber. The king advances with the princes powerless to stop him, until he hears a crash and turns around. In her hand, Su holds a bloody vase fragment, which she’s used to cut her wrist.

In a shaking voice, Su tells the king that she cannot marry him with a scar on her body, which she’s now created. “Let me go now,” she pleads, and the king can’t help but admire her gumption. He orders Lady Hae’s uncle brought in, and Su proceeds to collapse.

Wook scoops her up in his arms and carries her outside where the other princes have been waiting. They all hurry around her, their faces painted with worry, as So watches on from the palace steps.

While unconscious, Su dreams of falling into the water, and of a death shroud covering King Taejo. She sees him drown, and also sees the fourth king of Goryeo, King Gwangjong, falling to the ground with a knife in his hand.

His face is obscured because she can’t remember which prince becomes King Gwangjong, but she does know that he kills his brothers in order to ascend the throne. “Which one of the princes is it?” she wonders.

She wakes with a start to see Concubine Oh at her bedside, who affirms that Su is alive and unmarried. She took over caring for her in lieu of a doctor, but Su is still being held in the palace. She also notifies Su of her impending punishment now that she’s conscious, but Su is ready to face it—she has no regrets.

Wook enters the room next, and Concubine Oh seems to understand why Su did what she did to escape the marriage. He comes to sit at Su’s bedside and takes her bandaged wrist in his hand as tears form in her eyes. “Everything will be all right now. It’s over,” he soothes her.

He informs her that the marriage has been cancelled because of her scar, and that the Hae Clan will stop pressuring her to marry. “Last night, I felt so pathetic,” he says in a low voice, almost in a whisper. He admits that he bent so low as to pray to his dead wife to return her to him, and that he would pay his wife back by showering Su with all the affection he could never give her.

“I asked her for her forgiveness, and for her to send you to me,” he confesses. “I begged her. If you had become the king’s woman, I would have never been able to forgive myself.” Crying, Su says that she was so afraid she’d never see him again, and couldn’t bear to part with him just like that.

Wook pulls her into his arms and tells her that she’s safe now—he lost her once, so he won’t let it happen again. She cries into his shoulder as he continues to soothe and comfort her.

When Astronomer Choi asks King Taejo what he plans to do with Su, the king nonchalantly says he’ll send her into slavery. Astronomer Choi is quick to do some damage control, claiming that Su could be of much more use as a court lady—Concubine Oh put in a request for her, since Su knows so much about herbs and cosmetics.

He frames it in such a way as to make Su seem pivotal to the success of the royal household, but Taejo knows his sons likely had something to do with it. He doesn’t know what her relationship to the princes is, but he seems game to go ahead with Astronomer Choi’s suggestion.

Wook and Su go for a walk in the garden, and share a silent moment as he looks down at her bandaged wrist, then pulls her sleeve down to cover it. In voiceover, we hear him say that he’s happy to take her to see his late wife, believing that she would’ve liked to see them together at her grave. Aw. So cute. So morbid.

Astronomer Choi meets them to deliver the news of Su’s new appointment as a court lady, and surprisingly, Su’s all for it. She knows court ladies get paid, and Choi’s more than happy to tell her about all the perks she’ll enjoy if she does her new job well.

Su is pretty positive about the job, and tells Wook not to worry about her. He gives a manly clearing of his throat before handing her a piece of paper, which she unfolds to reveal: \^ㅁ^/. (He uses the “ㅅ” and “ㅁ” Hanja characters to make up the face. It looks more like Hangul, but Hangul wasn’t invented yet.)

But the best part? Wook tries to imitate the symbol for her, and literally couldn’t be any more awkward about it. Love. At least he’s happy that he’ll be able to see her often in her new appointment.

All the princes (minus the crown prince and Yo) come running out to see Su, all hovering around her protectively as they each tell her how they worried about her and tried to save her. Su smiles up at all of them, until she remembers that one of them will go on to be King Gwangjong and kill all his brothers… and she wonders if it’s either Wook or So.

When it’s time for Su to go into the palace, fourteenth prince Jung gives her a little, “Fighting!” Wook tells her not to be afraid, and So just tells her nothing, even though he takes note of her bandaged wrist and small bundle of clothes.

Su walks alone into Damiwon Palace, and clutches her small bundle ever tighter when she sees the formidable Concubine Oh standing before her.

 
COMMENTS

This was a bit of a strange watch, and I wonder if that has something to do with the airing order having changed due to the first week’s triple header. I’m trying to figure out if this episode would’ve been better served had it come directly after Episode 5 as opposed to one week afterward, and while I think that might’ve mitigated some of the problem areas here, it wouldn’t necessarily have fixed them.

It’s hard to know whether there’s an issue in the editing, directing, or writing, but this episode more than ever had a sort of disjointedness about it, like we were seeing scenes chopped from other scenes that didn’t need to be in any specific order. A through-line emerged as the episode wore on that I was more than happy to cling to, but I felt more confused than Su ever was about what was happening to her and why. We slowly but surely came to understand the king’s reasoning even if he seemed to get short-sheeted in terms of information, but it all happened so fast that it was hard to actually get invested in Su’s struggle to not marry the king of Goryeo.

It was adorable that all the princes jumped to her defense though, even if Baek-ah’s storyline was resolved so quickly—and the presentation of it was a little lacking, what with them acting friendly directly after the funeral to us getting a flashback explaining their sudden friendship after the fact. I love Baek-ah being supportive and cute, but he lost a little bit of his personality in the process, since all the princes (minus Yo and the crown prince) all dote on Su now. Still, maybe complaining about having so many men at one’s disposal is neither here nor there, and we should just be happy that Su has such a ready and willing support system.

But since Baek-ah was on her side by whatever offscreen means necessary, it was great to have him be the one to convince So as to why he needed to intervene in the marriage. Even so, So’s reason for intervening was mostly left up to the imagination, and we got only snippets of moments from him this hour. I can’t help but want to see more So despite loving every moment with Wook and Su, primarily because I don’t want to be disappointed in the end by going down with the wrong ship. But man, this show really isn’t making it easy to not care about Wook and Su, who are just so sweet with each other—how are we honestly supposed to resist that?

It feels like we’re on the verge of a major shift in the story at least, with Su moving into the palace and out of Wook’s direct orbit. Maybe this means she’ll be in So’s orbit more, and we’ll get to know more about our most enigmatic of princes. But maybe, it just means we’ll get to know more about Su, who’s perhaps better off not knowing who becomes the future King Gwangjong. What you don’t know can’t hurt you, even if it kills everyone else.

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Heads, you are so fast.. I haven't watch this episode yet... Both raw and sub..

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Someone says that the SBS episode 6 and the same episode in dramafever and youku are have different version, there are scenes were cut and add.

Can someone give me both link for that I can watch both...

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Go to Dramayou. They both have the different version. Raw is the longer one and the english subbed is the edited (same as DF).

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is dramayou.com the only website where you can watch original SBS/raw ones?? Raw and subbed are different! Raw ones had some more scenes

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I only go to Dramayou because they're the only one upload Raw versions early and it has better quality . I just noticed the difference when i went to DF. Lol.

So i don't think those missing scenes will be translated because i think the raw is from SBS and the subbed is from streaming sites.

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Unfortunately, even the supposed unedited raw version is edited. People have been complaining about the flow of the drama, since the first episode and now we know why. Not only is the directing off, but the post-production editing has been terrible as well. Goodness knows what they spent the months after filming, before airing doing.

From the leaked script, it seems scenes that were filmed in sequence, have been chopped up and re-arranged by the editors. Why? For example, the scene showing how So (4th Prince) and Beak Ah (13th Prince) bonded, over their fight with 3rd Prince that was shown in episode 6, was actually originally part of episode 4/5. It happened before the scene where Hae Su, was being beaten, and explains why So and Baek Ah arrived together. It seems instead of using the extra time to improve the drama, like an artist that doesn't know when to stop, they have overthought, over-edited the drama to the point that it became a disjointed mess.

Seems too many cooks, really did ruin the soup, and might explain why some side characters seemly have more presence than even the main characters. Seriously, why is 10th Prince still this prominent at this point of the story. The original arc for 10th Prince, was to give Rouxi, a friend when she first arrived; and his inability to control his own fate, was what opened her eyes to the reality of the time-period she is in. But Hae Su, has already had that experience, over and over again, the time she almost got executed, the punishment of her maid, and we even see this realization in her conversation with the 13th Prince.

It's almost like there were too many behind the scenes powers, pushing their own agenda and trying to jump on board what was expected to be a blockbuster drama. This is evident from the casting, to the OST choices, to the post-production work, and even down to the promotion of the drama, sigh...

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The SBS version also made more sense plot wise esp with the dynamics of 4th and 13th. Also the 13th attachment to HS felt more organic, though i still think the drinking scene should not have been a recollection, but a scene on its own. the voice over b/w HS and WS should have been an actual conversation.

i'm so livid today. Just watching the difference b/w the SBS and the international version (which was a last minute job in itself) .. How much better if they had it done it properly.

Whoever is the editor (i don't know their name or credentials) but they should not be let near an actual show again without a refresher course

Besides plot and show, I'm just crying thinking of all the glorious footage of LJK lying waste somewhere

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OMFG I am actually so pissed off right now.

No wonder when Hae Su's beating scene happened i was wondering how the hell did all the princes just causally appeared together, and also why did Baek Ah appear next to So? Are they gonna push their friendship now, as they did in the original? They should've totally had that scene in episode 4, it would be a good build up to their impending friendship! Seems like the editors added it in into this episode as an after thought because it would just seem too disjointed if So and Baek Ah suddenly had a somewhat decent relationship.

You're right bollyp, too many behind the scenes power, too little artistic integrity. Feel so bad for the actors who actually worked hard on this, particularly Lee Joon Gi. Those fat cats got their money, they probably don't care rats ass for the domestic ratings, it's only the actors who truly suffer, and SBS too I guess?

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Gals gals. You all do realize they use this ploy so that when they do a rerun there will be more viewers tune in just to see the difference. And also when they "possibly" release the director's cut, people will flock to buy it since it has the "better" editing? Hollywood has been doing this for decades.

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I don't think they had months after filming & before airing to do the post-production editing. They only finished filming end July, had to send for approval/censorship/subbing which usually take months and still managed to start airing end August. So, it seems rather rushed. But maybe they could have done post-production during the course of filming, or were they so pressed for time that they couldn't?

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hate it when there are two versions.. where one would have more or less information over the other one.. (i would missed out on knowing everything!!)

its good to see that sbs edited their version and add in scenes to make more sense to the "story".. however they appear out of sync especially when they arent recollections or memories (since they should had appeared in earlier eps)

and probably this is the worst scenario where u sold a pre-production series for international broadcast (where u could not expect them to have the edited version for their same time broadcast..)

add also problematic, dont add also problematic.. they should really check and make sure 100%..

i know many other things are at factor.. maybe time, resources or unseen forces and pressure etc.. its just sad a good drama gets treatment like this when they got to be a lot better if not for these..

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dramayou has only a subbed version as of now - these sites tend to get rid of raws when they have subs :(

Now I hope to god the SBS livestream is still free and works :(

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I checked and yes, they deleted it because of the copyright claim. I'll just try to watch as early as possible tomorrow just in case they'll upload the SBS vesrion again. *fingers crossed*

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I just checked, the raw is still there as well as the subbed!

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@cherryarrow - I can't see any links to the raw on dramayou - will have to take my chances on SBS itself and hope the stream doesn't skip or do weird things.

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@pogo @endo

Wait am I missing out on something here? I'm confused. I just went on dramayou, and I clicked on the "raw full" and it works...

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@cherryarrow. i went earlier and it says the video was rejected because of copyright claims. and then i read your comment and went back again and it's there. Lol.

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@pogo - I am watching their raw version now. It's still there :)

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finally its all making sense....i wish i had checked the reviews here first before going half crazy over the difference between the raw and the subbed version.
Its making sense to me now but still no sense as to why would they do such obvious silly editing.
Now my biggest question of the hour is : WHERE WILL I GET THE SUBS FOR THOSE EXTRA SCENES !!! :(
Because the version i downloaded has subtitles for all the scenes except for the ones that were edited.

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If someone happens to know because you have seen both SBS and Youku/DramaFever versions, could you please tell me when does it start being different? Is it only starting from ep. 6?

I have been watching the Youku version since I can read Chinese subs and don't need to wait for English. I haven't seen the DramaFever version, but I heard the source is the Youku version? Could someone verify?

So far, I only saw the SBS director's cut version of ep. 1-3. I didn't see ep. 4-5 on SBS. So, if anyone knows whether those ep's are the same for all versions, I'd appreciate knowing so that I can backtrack those two ep's, if necessary. Thanks!

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Hi. Can you leave the link of Directors cut of 1-3?

On my personal experience. i only noticed the difference from episode 5 but it was just a difference in next episode previews. It was not until today's episode that i read people complained about different versions.

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I saw the director's cut of ep. 1-3 that weekend after they aired on the SBS site, which you can create an account to watch. But I think after that, when a new ep. airs for the week, the older ep's are no longer free to watch. =( I think they let you only watch a few minutes and then you need to pay. I don't know if other sites uploaded them elsewhere. There might be copyright issues. I actually look for torrent links to download the HD raw files for shows that I like.

Thanks! So, just the preview, then that's OK. I'll keep an eye out for SBS version from now on.

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@lisa: i read that sbs will have their vods free during the chuseok holidays so maybe others can watch there during this time :)

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@chocopie: Really? That's good to know! Chuseok starts on Thursday. ^^

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I think dramafever and youku have the same version. I've been switching back and forth between them. I'm not completely proficient at reading simplified Chinese so I want to spot check my comprehension. I can find the same scenes by video timing.

The scene where 4th defends 13th against 3rd is neither in youku nor DF ep 6.

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And there is also this scene where Soo holds Wook in her arms right after he pushes her away. It gives the scene a different vibe as he doesn't push her away the second time...
This version is still available on DramaWaw.

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I've only 10 minutes of the raw version and it is slightly different. There is a scene between Baek-Ah and Hae Soo talking, inserted between the burial scene and scene with Wook crying. Wook crying scene is tad different, is just Hae Soo having her hand on his shoulder, not hugging him.

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@Snickers @Darcy @noname Thanks so much for confirming! I guess this means I'll have to rearrange my watching sequence to SBS > read recap > Youku so that I get all the scenes during round 1 and get the subs for round 2 with gaps for the cut scenes. What a downer this has been!! *sigh*

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Why are there more than one version?! Alternate endings I can deal with but alternate episodes?

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we have the original edit what you can see on youku or oneasia, and we have the re-edited version for korea

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Kissasian.com has the SBS version English subbed if anyone is still looking for it.

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Not trying to be annoying here but why is Wang So/ LJG becoming more of a special appearance lately than a Male Lead? Give us more Wang So than Baekhyun x IU's puppet scenes @ makers .

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I feel that. I'm honest to god nervous moon lovers is gonna pull a citt on me and swap the male leads and if that happens im flying to korea to see whoever is in charge so i can DECK THEM SQUARE IN THE JAW.

Nothing against wook or kang ha neul bc good lord he is a beautiful man but i dont find myself itching to know more of him in the same i feel about wang so. I think its bc as of right now he lacks an edge to me? I'm expecting him to become quite the fearsome prince tho since he is wang so's main rival for the throne (and hae soo's heart)

I also promised myself to not be sad about the ratings which most likely isnt gonna drastically change but god damn it why cant lee jin ki have a certified 20%+ hit? Is that too much to ask? @god.

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I'm here for Wang-so, the rest can just stand in the corner :p. He was born to rule Goryeo. Let the journey begin already.

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I'm here for Wang So too!!

On the other hand, it's lovely to see all the princes except the 3rd one, rally for her. And quite cute when Wook gave her the drawing \^o^/ before she left to Concubine Oh place.

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Maybe we should come back later towards the end lol.

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@Kiara - noooo don't go! If nothing else, we can at least make it the weekly snark/oppa appreciation party like we had on SWWTN recaps.

Of course, there's the fact that he actually needs to show up more for that to happen.

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Don't anyone leave! Who will i commiserate with?

The way they are editing the whole show, i wish they would just forget the whole thing and show us all the footage they have LJK. Because lets admit it thats what we are here for. WS is such an interesting character and i see him for like 5 minutes an episode. What is happening ?
*flipping tables*

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Be patient, it's saving the best for last!! So Kiara, stay tuned..

It looks like this drama is now realigning itself with the original novel after steering off-course in the earlier episodes. For example, we are now starting to see the alliance of So and 13th Prince, and Su has also been recruited as tea serving court lady. So the presence of our 4th prince So will become more prominent in the last two-third of the story, especially in the last half, the story basically revolves around him. Rest assured, we will sure get to see a lot of jun-ki as the story unfolds. :)

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Since we are almost at one-third of the story, I hope we will get to see more So-Soo soon.

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Yes I'm going to be waiting patiently :).

I don't have a DF account so I don't get to watch it until the day after :(.

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yaaaasss TeamWangSo. I'm rooting for SoSoo couple instead of WookSoo

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I'm here for Wang So too! We need more of him on the screen!!

And please don't leave, Kiara!

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Let the Koreans drool over their Park Bo Gum and their 20+% ratings.

I can have Lee Jun Ki all to myself.

Maybe Lee Jun Ki has yet to have 20+% rating because @Gid himself is a fan of PBG.

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Honestly, if Moonlight is clocking higher ratings, it deserves them - the Scarlet Heart production let down their entire cast with this choppy, poorly-developed, rushed episode (and with poor editing/post-production in general). Moonlight is a much better-crafted drama as a whole, though SH is still my crack thanks to Lee Jun-ki and the odd moments when the drama gets everything right (I was really into ep 4-5)

I want ratings to go a little higher for LJK's sake but there's no hope of that at all now. But I will still take him as Wang So over anyone else <3

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Yes ikr? You cant feel what you felt for SH eps 4~5 out from Moonlight. Maybe the next eps of moonlight but damn Scarlet made my heart jump that early. Makes us want more!!! Please dont be like cheese in the trap please. Now im just confused with the diff versions of ep 6 but its okay. The story is still understandable. Anyone has a guess who King Gwangjong is? I havent watched the original but this. Is exciting!

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Moonlight deserves the rave. It is simply a better drama, in every aspect. But Moon Lovers still has my love, for all its shortcomings. And also because it's still 'early' (!?) in the show.

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@tara
i feel like im watching this show and learning about the HaeSoo-tory of Korea. Hahaha. I need this.

Soo youre in for some adventures trying to rewrite the past.

hwaiting!

\^o^/
Jjang!
oh the stress-su
okay. Did she say okay already in there?

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I feel like this comment kinda implied that Korean just loved PBG and they choose to droll over him no matter what happen,

this is reaching because the staff on Moonlight do a good job,
give them some appreciation, they work hard and it not always because of the actor, they work hard and everyone work hard so they deserve a payoff,

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My... I was just joking around regarding LJK and his long overdue 20%+ ratings.

Whatever you interpretation is, I didn't mean to discredit Moonlight or PBG.

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Lee Jun-ki did have a 30 percenter (no that is not a typo) ratings hit AND the most successful Korean movie of all time on his filmography before he went to the army.

I mean, I want him to have another in his 30s but he's always been a star.

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@Pogo
I know, his highest rated drama so far is Iljimae and he was really huge after The King and The Clown.

What I meant is that, post MS, he is long overdue for a 20+% ratings which tbh, he greatly deserved.

My joke above really has no ill-intention towards neither PBG or Moonlight. It was just a distasteful joke, meant to actually emphasize my love for Lee Jun Ki. Apologized.

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@Hu, if it's any consolation, one of the episodes of Arang had 20+% rating for Seoul.

@dena, Sometimes it's best not to read too much into comments on the net and make assumptions about implications which may not be there. After all, we say stuff like "All you gals can drool over A and his gorgeousness, I can have B all to myself" quite often.

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That is because in the original version (Chinese) 4th Prince din't get as much screen time until later. In the Chinese one she actually started dating 8th Prince...I think people expect too much from the show instead of letting the show take the form it was suppose to.

This story is from a book and a Chinese version so they have to stick to the story as much as possible. This version is even better bcoz the Chinese version was sad. That's why I like Scarlet heart bcos the story is a bit different from the regular cliche historical dramas...(had to dress like a man for whatever reasons n yet they can't tell by the features that that's a lady).

I am kinda disappointed that SBS re-edited this episode 6. Koreans might not like it but international fans LOVE it so don't start editing what you already pre-produced to suit TV request (this is not a live production!!!!) bcos all you are going to do is mess it up. Look at this episode it felt disconnected, I couldn't connect to it. Don't be desperate and show us what you already planned, you never know what might happen next.

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haha, your little shade (had to dress like a man for whatever reasons n yet they can’t tell by the features that that’s a lady),

but in my opinion what SBS did based on netizen commenter actually produced a better episode that what actually aired in China,

and people didn't mess it up, they did it by themselves and then in the original, there's a set up why 8th prince is important on the 1st half and there's also a set up why we can suspect that 4th prince would have bigger role,

but here, we just got love triangle and some little moment for fanfiction,
I am sorry, i just can't content with this little pity party that something unjust had happen to scarlet heart goryeo and the viewers are being picky,
even if the rating for other saeguk is overrated or probably didn't even reach high, MLSC is not a top drama in monday either, my generous heart give them 8%,
story-wise it's bad,
it's beautiful but just to look at,

to very honest I think the commenters overestimate the drama, it's not that deep of a story as far as I see and always lowkey side eyeing the other drama,
I find this pity party need to end and acceptance is better,
this drama missed the point they should delivered and it's right to criticize it while still fangirl over the bias actor.

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"to very honest I think the commenters overestimate the drama, it’s not that deep of a story as far as I see and always lowkey side eyeing the other drama,
I find this pity party need to end and acceptance is better,
this drama missed the point they should delivered and it’s right to criticize it while still fangirl over the bias actor."

Well, you know what they say: different folks, different strokes. What might feel like over estimation of the drama , could be just right for others :)

I think your observation about the 'always' side eyeing of the other drama is bit of a generalization though. The majority of the comments on this thread are focused on MLSHR: analysis, reactions to the episodes, and yes, criticisms, a ton of criticisms even from those who really like the show.

And-I never feel like this is a pity party. There's a general sense of regret that the production team hasn't really done it's actors justice, but 400+ comments on average bemoaning ratings and the way the cookie crumbled would really be a turn off and not fun at all...which is definitely not the case here :)

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As I do love scarlet heart, i feel sad that the ratings are like this and for that I'm worried that they might not finish this show and we might not know how it ends. I watch them side by side (MDBC, C4, SH...). But I feel like the other shows are really really really boring. SH and Jealousy Incarnate dont bore me. Scarlet heart is on fire. It is interesting (the historical theme makes me think I need this, it showed how Goryeo is one heck of a place) and it has the "kilig" factor with a bit of spice. I dont find the need to fast forward *w/c i already did for mdbc. Every scene here surprisingly matters. It's like a puzzle and i feel like the girl is in the middle of a mystery plot. The love story is convincing even if farfetched the thing about brotherhood falling for one girl is different in this show. Unlike the other drama errrr. C4. So childish. They're candy shows anyway they might be just that. Oh well. It's different for everyone. Ranking top 4 ... JI, SH, W (rough ride till its end) ... Gab Soon too. But GS has me so angry with some characters (the aunt ><!) especially the guy and i dont know maybe i should appreciate the writer. I want to complete the puzzle SH is or the tragedy it is. Scarlet Heart: Romeo. Sorry for spilling out my feelings about other dramas and for disagreeing with you. But I want to say what I truly feel. This show is in my heart. And you see i watch other shows too. So i've made my own comparison.

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Er, there's no pity party going on here. We're actually having a lot of fun here commenting & analysing the drama, enjoying the good stuff, criticising the flaws etc.

Whether the commenters are overestimating the drama or whether it’s not that deep of a story, I guess the majority of the commenters here may have a different opinion as the comments are really insightful.

There also hasn't been any love triangle story so far as the focus is on the romance with 2nd lead, so I guess somehow you have missed the point the drama is delivering.

Meanwhile thanks for the advice, we will continue to criticise the drama & fangirl over our biases as what we have been doing all along.

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Ive proven to myself that this is quite something. The want to rewatch and still feel what I felt when I first watched the recent episode (*note. 4~5 is daebak). Ep 6 has all the promise, the surprise. It wasnt such a dissapointment. They are on to something. I honestly didnt notice the bad editing? They say?. That when I found out there was different versions, it didnt matter. Coz that means there's more!

On mdbc, with the scene of the queen and the gagging court lady i felt confused. Like huh what was that? felt the irrelevanc-y. Then its obvious that the kiss scene is dream. If tonight's episode shows its not then i take back all i said. It didnt feel like that confused on Hae Soo's sudden marriage to Taejo Wanggon. Lol. I remember her first meeting him scene. And that bg music hahaha. Then the princes running all over to rescue her because hey they have reasons right. and those reasons made my heart dokki dokki. HS lives up to being literslly the heroine when she 'volunteered' as per 4th prince's words just to save them all at that moment. See the irony of it, they were trying to save her but instead she saves them all. hahaha. But why oh why show are you doin this to me. Tearing heart apart. Wook is doing all the right lead guy stuff and So is like 'ill kill you' 'i dont care its her choice' when we all know the OTP. But meh. Ill just see how it goes.

Now how Hae soo handles what she remembered about the next king and how she will "act" on it is the next eps promise. Act on it (historical events). Which is impossible but the show doesn't dwell on that. I have this feeling Soo's 21st century identity wont interfere. Hey, is she just taking a history subject here? Hahaha. No. I dont want her waking up and finding out the purpose of this all is for an exam in the 2016 lol.

I dont feel the need to critic the production. For all its worth, im thankful for SH.

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i take back what i said... hahaha. I dont know what to feel right now. still... @ 8 eps i feel like mdbc should offer more... hmmm. Well thank the heavens it wasnt a dream. Hahaha.

Meanwhile. Were still yet to see the kiss scenes here in SH! who gets to kiss her first?!

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l think I'm not having as many issues because I've seen the C-Drama. I agree with the poster that says it is now perhaps a bit more aligned with the novel. Because of the more limited time on this drama than the original, there is not the time to build the relationships so it seems a bit rushed, but I still find it a good time. Also, I loved having more of 4th prince in these early episodes. That is so not the way it worked in the C-drama so just hold tight everyone.

With regard to ratings, after I saw the writing on the wall, I moved on. Happy to see another drama do well because there were a few pretty blah years in dramaland; they needed some hits. SH seems to be getting international love and, I guess, that will have to suffice.

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You are right when you say Kang Ha Neul is a beautiful man. xxx

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if by following original, 4th prince roles were not that prominence until half of story done... probably in another ep or 2, his role will be bigger..

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Yeah, actually we get more of 4th prince here than in BBJX (the original).
I really liked episodes 4 and 5 but i just dont get the feelings, BBJX was alot better ,cheaper but better.

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Yes! I have been saying this a lot lately! He is barely in any scenes.

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ive only watched the original till ep 4 and i think altogether prince 4 only appeared for less than 5 minutes in all 4 combined lol well at least it feels like that :p

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Patience dear, I think they're following the novel here. We'll get to see more WS starting next episodes. Everything will start to heat up, the battle is about to begin.

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Nah, they're just following the original. 4th prince doesn't really get center stage until the end of the first third or first half.

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As much as I love having more LJK scenes, I think the show is probably following true to the novel. When I was watching the original, I had no idea the girl will end up with the 4th until the middle

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I can't say I'm surprise because they were upfront with it. They did say that they will be following the novel.
Wang-so would be the main focus if they were following Goryeo's history.

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It's ok if they follow the novel and LJK appears more only later, but at least reduce the amount of time we have to spend listening to Baekhyun. ....even Ji Soo alone with LJK was better if you need a younger prince.

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*Sigh* I'm very disappointed with this production.

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Sigh, I'm kind of disappointed, but it won't stop me from watching though. LJK is still the star of the show though, his acting skills is just perfection.

I think this show has great potentials, but the first 3 episodes really took a blow.

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I feel disappointed too but the new episodes up to now we're good so I hope they improve.

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I think a part of the problem is that the Su-wook story has sort of run its course. When LadyHae died, it should have been the end of their love. or at least have one of them being reluctant. Because the dialogues they are now giving wook, makes me want to punch him, KHN's excellent acting not withstanding. They need to stop dragging this love story and move to the next part whether its so-su love story or the fight for the throne.

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gosh..i feel the same think. LJG appearance was like 10 minutes. i love KHN but i am getting tired for this dragging romance. i feel like if you dont switch it now, its getting weird if suddenly Soo changes interest to So, like youknowhat drama.
So doesnt even feel attached to Soo at this point and visa versa beside she treat him like one of the prince and he treat him like his brother's cousins.

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As the others have mentioned, in the Chinese adaptation his character wasn't exactly prominent till the second half. But really it's because the book is extremely female centric. No matter how you adapt it, doesn't matter that LJK gets top billing, the drama itself will be female centric as well. Everything is based around IU's character, so whoever she interacts more with will get more screen time as well.

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The drama itself is supposed to be female centric but Hae-Soo isn't all that interesting for a female-centric lead. The female characters so far except Lady Hae also are pretty one note which is why I find myself increasingly disappointed with no Wang So. One thing that helped C-version was how Rouxi narrated the politics moving and how we could perceive it through her eyes. The only thing I perceive through Hae-Soo so far is that she is helpless and she is a fish out of water. I don't find that so much interesting. Don't know about others. 4th wasn't so prominent in the first half of C-BBJX but once he does, viewers knew this is the ultimate ruler and he means business. It was fascinating which made up for lack of him in first half. The whole situation is different in this adaptation so they are following the novel all on a sudden does not cut it for me.

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In the original did 4th prince kill them all? Is it a sad ending? Oh no... please tell me if the answer is gonna be a spoiler and ill keep my silence. im just to curious. These 2 eps per week are killing me.

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I've never read the novel but have watched BBJX. Like pretty much all historical Cdramas, yes it does have a sad ending. If you're really curious, the cdrama stuck to the original characters and how each character ended up is close to what really happened to them. Keep in mind that the kdrama is also based on real historical characters and their ending is still left up to the discretion of the writers.

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YES. This is exactly the problem I have with this show. It is supposed to be a female-centric show: reverse harem, fish out of water, someone with knowledge of the future. But Hae Su is so shallow, one-note, and rather stupid that she feels more like a side character than the main lead. Plus she is painfully overshadowed in terms of acting chops by Kang Ha Neul and Lee Jun Ki. The show has no center except when it focuses on So's story.

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every word of your comment.

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Since the political stuff only happens after she moves into the palace, I guess we have to wait for that to happen first? Oh wait, she just moved into the palace this episode, so maybe that story arc is just beginning?

And I hope we don't have to wait until the 2nd half to see more of 4th prince, Wang So.

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I just watched this episode and yes, it's starting.

Wang-so's way of consolidating power for the royal family/king is very different from Taejo.
Taejo is sticking with the old fashion way of alliance through marriage.
Wang-so thinks that cutting off the most powerful clan especially those that are not loyal to Goryeo like the Haes would be the best way.

I'm surprised that he is already sharp in his ability to deal with court politics in just a short time.
(I foresee a house cleaning in the future when he ascended the throne).

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The drama is female centric but this female in not interesting enough on her own to carry entire episodes. So we have these pointless interactions with younger princes which feel like fillers. Its just how the script has been written. WS is literally the most compelling character right now.

After that wook, i hope they have him changing from this calm, non ambitious , generally peaceful person to a true contender to the throne. that would be awesome

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This drama is not female-centric. HS is just the female lead. That she gets to choose between several pretty princes doesn't make this one any more female-centric than any other love-triangle rom-com Kdramas. So far the conflict we've seen most of is WSo and his royal family, and Wook and his 'life lesson' of love. We are neither told the story from Hae Soo's viewpoint, nor does she move the plot forward. We're seeing things from a third person's perspective, and at this point the only ones who are moving the plot along are Queen SMS and her minion Princess YH.

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I think this drama can still be considered as female-centric because the focus seems to be more on the female lead's relationships with the princes, her cousin & especially Wook? It's also not very common to see a drama spending so much time on the female lead's love romance with the 2nd male lead.

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I think it depends on how each of us sees as 'female centric' really. The depth of relationships that HS shares with her cousin in the past eps does not feel substantial enough and now with Lady Hae out of the picture there is no further chance to make this any deeper, versus the C-version where RX's sister passed away very late in the drama and even though both sisters are separated for most of the time RX serves her time as a tea-maid, the time they share to bond is portrayed more at the beginning of the drama.

The way I see it, most of Kdramas are male-centric, even if they seem to focus on the female leads. Here are what I have noticed in most Kdramas (esp. most rom-coms):
1- The male protagonist's personal dilemmas and conflicts often enjoy more screen time and are often addressed/ resolved first.
2- The female protagonist serves as the one to 'complete' the male protagonist or 'entangle' his personal dilemmas and conflicts, or become his 'missing piece'.
3- The male protagonist is portrayed as almost perfect (lacking only in a significant aspect waiting to be 'completed' by the female protagonist, to accompany point 2), or in other words, superior to the female protagonist in a way (the one to lead the romance, the one to come to the rescue, the one who excels in a field while the female protagonist is clumsy or average at best)
4- The female protagonist is often reduced to the stereo-typically clueless, helpless, damsel-in-distress type who is most often passive, easily confused and emotionally affected by misunderstandings, to provide contrast with point 3.
5- The drama low-key adds 'holy aura' to the male protagonist by having random side characters praise him as handsome, or swoon over him.
6- One of the end effects of the drama is for the audience to swoon over the male protagonists and emphasise 'male power'
I would call a drama with all of the above elements a male-centric one. Depending on how much liberty is given to an actress or how powerful her acting is, she can balance it out with her male-costars. However, with the way the scripts are thus often written, there is nothing much an actress can really do to turn the table in her favour.

So having several men surrounding a woman, while boosting female self-esteem, doesn't make a drama female centric. From the moment SH chooses to focus on 4th's backstory right at the beginning of the drama, the focus has shifted. LJK has less screen time than Hae Soo, but viewers actually know more about his internal struggle than that of Hae Soo's. The show is still undergoing an identity crisis, and clumsily switches between female-centric clues and male-centric clues, but the focus on the male protagonists and side characters are very clear to me :)
Just my two cents.

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*untangle not entangle.
Lol sorry for the typo. I was actually thinking about the movie Entangled while typing this.

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A very annoying and problematic trope that kdramas love to perpetuate is the idea of the lead vs second lead. Even in cases where love triangles are extremely close and competitive, the lead always wins the day. There is never any other option. It's like it's impossible to be in happy, committed relationships with multiple people in the course of a narrative.

One possible scenario, and indeed the most likely scenario, if the series is loyal to the source material, is that Hae Soo simply fell in love with the 8th prince first. This isn't a spoiler because it's happening before our very eyes, and it should be allowed to happen despite the billing of another endgame otp. This isnt the first time this has happened in this genre, I doubt there's any Cheese level protagonist assassinating conspiracy going on here.

So is clearly feeling some dokidoki shit right now, his time will likely come soon.

That being said, the disjointed editing is seriously killing the narrative, and really hampering my expectations for the rest of the series. It wouldnt surprise me if So and Soo's relationship ends up rushed and unfulfilling. But they've got hella chemistry and look otp af and so I am keeping my hopes up.

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Everything you've said.

I was actually disappointed with this episode overall, but now that I'm certain I watched an abridged version I'll try watching the other version before episode 7.

I did think the funeral scene was really well done and Wook's grieving broke my heart, but most of the stuff after that....crapola.

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Yeah it's like they started off as a really good episode and then became weird.

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I wonder whether the script would have been for a 24-episode show. I mean, yes we all know it is a 20-episode show, but they are rushing the plot, it shows...

Going around forums, the scene of So defending Baek Ah from Yo should go before the whipping scene of Chae Ryung then Hae Su by Yeon Hwa (that's why So came with Baek Ah when he stopped Yeon Hwa's whipping). This is based of a "leaked script".

This is a promising show with bad editing, really.

Pre-production:
The flow of the story is written by the writer. The scripts were printed.

Production:
They filmed the scenes based on the script,

Post production:
Bad sequence on editing storyboard. Bad editing.

Still looking forward to the next episode.

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I really wish I can read the whole script for this drama. Sounds like it will be much more enjoyable than the drama itself.

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I think their problem is, instead of letting the show take the form it was suppose to, the minute people complained they started editing an already produced show. BIG MISTAKE!

They forget that in show biz you cannot please everybody, know where you fan base are. Dd healer get high ratings in its time? No but they did sooooooo well internationally.

I am kinda disappointed that SBS re-edited this episode 6. Koreans might not like it but international fans LOVE it (esp Chinese that they even took the story from) so don't start editing what you already pre-produced to suit TV request (this is not a live production!!!!) bcos all you are going to do is mess it up. Look at this episode it felt disconnected, I couldn't connect to it.

They are acting in desperation and m so pissed off. My sister is soooo selective about Kdramas but "she" fell in love with 1-5 immediately! So SBS DONT go ruining it for us!!! Jeez!

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Eps 1-5 was a good watch though. It's this episode 6 where the flaws are almost unforgivable. But clumsy and shoddy as it may be, at least we know the show's entering a new arc now.

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lol @ dokidoki shit.

But I think you have the most reasoned response. We're used to kdrama giving us second leads that can be 100% perfect making viewers fall in love but never the actual heroine who always gets drawn back to the lead.
Here we get the balance of the female lead actually returning that affection for the second lead. It doesn't necessarily mean end game for him but it does give the story a sort of balance.

But yes, outside of Lady Hae's episode, today's episode was so badly edited I was getting whiplash in between scenes.
Seriously though I just want their otp chemistry to shine!

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Seriously this is not like Cheese that way at all. It's the messed up editing that spoil the experience.

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Yeah, I was actually never afraid of this becoming like CITT. If anything I'm now more afraid of it potentially becoming like Dr Jin :(

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I'm just happy this drama is one of the rare cases the second lead isn't friend-zoned. Is it really even a triangle when the lead female/male has no romantic interest in the second lead male/female at all? It's just annoying to watch a character pining away over someone that doesn't want them knowing it will lead to nothing but the same old predictable ending. That's why Dream High will always be a fave. I like to see these romantic relationships play out and then watch the lead actually figure out who they really want. Loved Reply 1997 too but the husband hunting gimmick became a pain with the second and third installments.

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Im a fan of Kang Ha Neul. But, much as i like him and his acting, im aching for more Wang So scenes. Like, isnt he the main prince here? I know they need to show the relationship of IU to the other princes but i feel the main character is being overshadowed. Do I need to wait for episode 8 or 10 before I see more development of his character? His presence now feels like bits & pieces.

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Not enough LJK in this episode. Anything less than 50% of the screen time is too little. Why would anyone in the production team thinking cutting a LJK scene worthwhile? I didn't see that scene between him & 13th prince and am all upset now.

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I thought i was the only one. It's like SO is the second lead and Wook is the main lead. I starting to get really annoyed. This explains why their ratings are not hitting it. By the 3 week (Ep 6) we should be seeing more of the Main leads that the second leads.

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the SBS version has way more LJK and you can watch it with subs at myramyun dot net (atm). but the scenes that were missing in the sbs version dont have subs, t hey are THERE but they have no subs (while the rest of the scenes do). so u get to enjoy LJK being beautiful and charismatic but unless you know korean, you wont know precisely what he said. the recap gives you the gist of it tho. i believe the subs they use for it are from Viu. but idk if anyone has (or will) sub the extra scenes that aired on SBS. whaaaat a waste.

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Reverse harems are one of my favorite tropes, im really glad we got to see more of that today. Also...THAT SONG. I just want to know the identity of that song in the very beginning T.T

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Me too~ has anyone found out yet?
Please let me know!

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I need that song. The song has Hayao Miyazaki tone, really comforting and also sad. I really love that song.

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I thought I was the only one who feel the whole episode is disjointed, the writing and editing on this drama are definitely its biggest flaws, and I think it's hard for viewers to follow when the story itself is not making sense.

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Almost everyone in this drama is written to like Su even if it's out of their character, it's either too soon, or their bonding doesn't make much an impact for me to feel that she affected them in a special way enough to make them care for her. I don't buy her friendship with Baek Ah at all, I mean their one conversation wasn't special enough to make me feel that he can quickly forget about Lady Myung and fight to keep her from marrying some old guy, in fact, aside from Wook and So, I don't even know why the princes would risk it for her, they're not THAT close for them to give up their lives for.

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Baek Ah and Su's convo is not just a one-time thing. Baek said that after Myung Hee died. He and Su drinks almost every night. I think he warmed up to Su because she gave that talk about "do what makes you happy" thing. I don't think he likes Su romantically.

How the princes acted was pretty normal in sageuk. All the royalties "test their limits" until they gave in to noble idiocy. Lol. So i don't see anything wrong with how they want to protect Su. Because all of them are somewhat close to her. I would find it weird tho if 3rd and 9th was there. Haha.

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Yeah but even if I understand he feels affection for her because his nui did, it's so sudden, no?

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I think the conversation they had while drinking was they'll find each other everytime they miss Lady Hae.

How often could that happened?

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The problem is they tell us this, show us one drinking session and that's all. They need to at least hint better.

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Since Baek said that he and Su drinks almost every night after Myung Hee died, then that would have been a lot of drinking sessions, because MH died in Winter (snow & barren trees) and it's obviously Spring now. The grass has also grown over her burial mound. They did have a short scene to show the passing of time with the melting snow in the pond, swimming ducks etc.

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Yeah, the script told us that Baek-ah and Su became friends like that, but I didn't really feel it.

I mean, they could have spent less time on the blasted puppet show (and the less screen time Baekhyun has, the better) and a little more towards establishing this new friendship in Su's life that leads to Baek-ah actively trying to save her from a forced marriage.

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Absolutely, please give us less Baekhyun, he's offers so little to the plot and I want to see the friendship between 13th and Soo develop! 10th Prince is childish but I don't understand why they make him act like a 10 year old (he's at least the same age as 13th and 14th right? Jung is meant to be the youngest as the 14th prince, so why is 10th played like a fool?). Bad directing in my opinion.

Not to mention needing more Wang So. In fact give me less of the Princes that will have little to do with the ongoing stories (ie 10th, 9th) and more of the future movers and shakers. I like the development of Wang So and Baek-ah friendship, could see more of that too.

I thought the flashback to the drinking was not well done at all.

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The 10th is supposed to be a fool, lol.

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They sorta skimmed over the relationship development too quickly for Su and Baek-ah, I mean we sort of saw it in flashbacks. So it's not surprising that we don't feel invested in this sudden new relationship between the two.

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In the Chinese version she was close to the 10th Prince

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In the Chinese version she risked getting Pneumonia to help the 13th prince when Kangxi punished him. That was after he fell in 8th scheme. Initially, she was close to 10. Then came 14 and 13th. 13th was her BFF. Her nickname was Death Defying 13th Sister. How could they not focus on the friendship more when tons of fillers could be edited out.

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Those who feel that every princes designed to like Su basically not aware that this drama is based on the C-novel and Scarlet Heart is not SH without the many princes and their relationship with Su.
Agree that Baek Ah's bond with Su could have better off been told directly instead of in flashbacks but the reasoning for others to help her are logical enough: Wook because of love, Eun because of his crush, Jung because he promised to protect her life, Baek Ah for their common affection towards Lady Hae and So because he did not realized that he has feelings for her.
I am happy that the drama is progressing to further story development instead of stuck with too much times trying to convince over the development of her relationship with each princes. Now i think the battle of the throne will take center stage.
I love the prominition scene so much....it gives me a certain goosebump knowing how unaware Su is of who will eventually become the gruesome Gwangjeong.
And though I have watched the C-version and aware of the story flow, please give Lee Jun Ki more screentime. Just couldn't get enough of him.

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I think you misunderstood me. I don't find issues with the princes liking or falling or protecting Su, I'm finding issues in the flow of their relationship, like we barely covered the base their friendship and they jumped like 10 steps ahead, and I'm like whoa, when did we even get here? That's what makes the story severely flawed. It just doesn't makes sense. Hence, why I said they were written to like her even if it's out of character, the story wasn't well written or well executed.

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I think most of us are aware that this drama is based on a novel/Cdrama but being based on those things doesn't excuse bad character development and skipping B to arrive at C.

Whatever it's origins a good drama is a stand alone, you shouldn't need other media and writers for after the fact explanations because it's complete in and of itself. It tells you what you need to know for the story to make sense and delivers it in a believable, well acted manner.

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I agree, it should be a stand alone. I'm not going to watch the Chinese one, read the manhwa AND THEN come to the Korean one. I understand that IU is the 'sageuk candy' here, and I don't even have a problem with all the prince's liking her (and neither should she, frankly) but the way they're developing those relations is so poorly done I want to set Queen SMS on the writer.
While I loved the fact that Baek ah coerces So into helping her , it could have easily been Jung who had done that (That way he builds his relationship with his brother AND he already has a GOOD reason to like hae soo)

And what happened to the abs? I'm sure Jun Ki has a bath everyday ! Let's promote public health, people ! Give us visual aid !

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@tej exactly, Jung going to his brother to ask him to save Soo makes more sense because we know he likes Soo and he might also be seeking to have a better relationship with So. Baek Ah is a bit too sudden.

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@tej I couldn't agree more with the public health promotion XD but I can make it with some more Lee Jun Ki scenes (and the streaming version of this episode has even less of his scenes than the SBS version *very sad face*)

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We know this is based on A novel but we still feel the drama is poorly edited and it's story is not being told properly. It's not anyone hating on it, we want this to be better.

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I dint feel connected to this episode and I believe the problem is because they are trying to impress the Korean Market and overreacting by over editing what they have already prepared to air.

Inasmuch as they are disappointed by their ratings they shouldnot forget that they have international fans who actually love this show.

On online platform Scarlet heart rates more than moonlight. Do the research

So please stick to what you originally planned and your viewers will stick to your show and even get more viewers to watch

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I totally felt the same. Is that why they released a bazillion different version. Why can't they just made up their minds. This drama is pre-produced so time can't be the problem.

The choppy writing and editing made the whole narrative build up just doesn't made sense to me. I know that given this drama has less episode than the original, they will need to speed up the plot. But show, you know you CAN choose what to prioritize instead of making a half-assed effort to cater to all characters.

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They released that many vrsions because they screwed up in the first week and had to make a new cut for korean viewers but the outside versions were pre approved so SBS can't change them now.

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The SBS versions are better for me (more LJK!) so I desperately need to find a place that is subbing the SBS version in English. I have never wished that I understood Korean more than today.

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PSA: The SBS version is now fully subbed and on Dramalove.

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@Ren - the subbed version on dramalove isn't the SBS one, I just checked and it doesn't have the SBS logo in the corner! Looks like we're stuck with needing SBS raws :(

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@pogo- Did you check the HD tab? The SBS version is under there. But I spoke too soon anyhow only the first additional scene seems to of been subbed.

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Does the SBS website live stream the episodes ?

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