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Jealousy Incarnate: Episode 19

The tables turn multiple times, as we finally reach some moments of clarity in our complicated relationship triangle. Na-ri unravels her feelings, and her precipitated instincts guide her decision between the two guys in her life. It’s painful and rewarding, watching Na-ri navigate herself out of her head and learn to trust her heart.

 
EPISODE 19 RECAP

Outside the glass office, Na-ri witnesses Hye-won kissing Hwa-shin and drops her bag in shock. When Hwa-shin pulls away, Hye-won criticizes him for depicting her as the poor girl with no backbone harboring a one-sided crush on him. Hwa-shin harshly responds that his depiction of her to his mother is factual.

Na-ri interrupts their conversation to talk to Hwa-shin alone, but Hye-won refuses to leave. Hye-won asks Hwa-shin if he’s dating Na-ri, and he curtly clarifies that they’re over. The tense face-off is interrupted by PD Oh, who acquiesces when Hwa-shin strongly requests that he leave his own office.

Arms crossed, Na-ri uses the case in point to prove her argument that Hwa-shin is untrustworthy. Within the hour he left, he’s already kissing another woman. He asks if she’s qualified to condemn him, reminding Na-ri that she claimed herself unqualified to berate Jung-won’s encounter with Soo-jung. Why should she care who he kisses?

Then a realization dawns upon him, and his suspicion grows as Na-ri demands that he take off his glasses. She reminds him not to wear those glasses in front of other women, and especially not kiss another woman while wearing those glasses. Hwa-shin takes off his glasses in disbelief and wonders, “Surely, not…”

Hwa-shin drags Na-ri to the roof and clarifies that he and Hye-won are just colleagues. Na-ri doesn’t believe him and rapid-fire interrogates him about his relationship with Hye-won. Hwa-shin finally gets a clue and asks if Na-ri is jealous right now. She denies it, but Hwa-shin has already caught onto her jealousy for him. Hwa-shin grins at this realization and asks why she cares about his relationships but not Jung-won’s.

Thinking back to his 51/49 pleas, Hwa-shin suspects that Na-ri likes him more than Jung-won because she’s only showing jealousy for him. He knows the exact feeling of jealousy she’s experiencing, and he riles her in his growing excitement: “You’re jealous, right now. You are jealous. Acknowledge it.” Na-ri doesn’t explicitly acknowledge it but orders him not to wear his glasses in front of other women or kiss other women. That sounds like an acknowledgment to me, and Hwa-shin knows it.

Hwa-shin laughs out loud and yells from the roof about this new revelation: “Pyo Na-ri loves me more more more more! No wait, actually, she only loves me! She’s only jealous of me!” He breaks out into dance, but Na-ri continues to worry about Hwa-shin’s relationship with Hye-won. She desperately asks for solace that the kiss was simply out of rage, but Hwa-shin drops his smile and responds, “Perhaps.”

As Hwa-shin heads back to the office, summoned by PD Oh, Na-ri wonders if he’s going back for Hye-won. He’s thoroughly amused by Na-ri’s insistence to go home together and reminds her that he left. Smiling widely, he tells her not to wait on him. Oh boy, you are milking this.

Sitting together on the broadcast stage, Sung-sook accuses Ja-young of stealing her husband and daughter. She says that no one loves her, but Ja-young claims that their ex-husband loved Sung-sook more. He would constantly compare her to Sung-sook and even admitted that he regretted divorcing her. Delighted by the “compliments,” Sung-sook snuggles next to Ja-young, who seems to enjoy their momance.

PD Oh rattles on about the upcoming election coverage while Hwa-shin and Hye-won stare each other down. They respond as if they’re listening to him lecture them about ratings and promise to get the job done. Once they’re alone, Hye-won asks Hwa-shin how it felt to be the 101st man she’s kissed. He responds that her strong façade won’t repair her pride but admits that the kiss wasn’t bad, since he learned something from it.

Hwa-shin finds Na-ri waiting for him, and they continue their conversation inside another office. He prompts her to acknowledge her jealousy, but Na-ri claims that she’s angry — not jealous — because she can’t understand him kissing another woman within the hour of leaving her. He reminds her that she basically did the same thing between him and Jung-won, to which Na-ri shamefully hangs her head.

Na-ri apologetically mentions the dinner from earlier, and Hwa-shins erupts in anger. He explains that he left the house determined to give up after seeing her with Jung-won and Madam Kim at the restaurant. Na-ri cautiously asks if this is their end, and Hwa-shin vaguely responds that it depends on Na-ri’s actions. She asks again if he’s going to date Hye-won, and he leaves her hanging to fuel the fire of jealousy. Meanwhile, Jung-won walks into an empty house and looks over Na-ri’s calendar, which has his name written on all the days that month.

Hwa-shin returns to the dorm and hesitantly asks Dong-gi what the difference is between jealousy and anger. Dong-gi asks him a hilarious series of questions: Woman or man? Woman. Woman or girlfriend? Girlfriend. Girlfriend or lover? Lover. Lover or wife? Wife. Hwa-shin takes back the last statement since doesn’t have a wife (ha!), and Dong-gi continues to not answer his question by asking Hwa-shin what he did wrong.

Dong-gi then explains how the election story made its rounds to other anchors before landing on Hwa-shin and asks if he’s angry or jealous about this. Dong-gi tries to isolate Hwa-shin’s current emotion to distinguish between anger and jealousy, but Hwa-shin feels a mix of both, which only complicates his thoughts.

Na-ri steps into the elevator with Hye-won, and she asks Hye-won if this was her first kiss with Hwa-shin. Hye-won says that it was their first kiss in PD Oh’s office and irritates Na-ri by saying that the rest is up to Na-ri’s imagination. Na-ri won’t take that as an answer and asks for the facts. They both know how imagination can eat away at their souls and drive them crazy, right? Hye-won tells her that Hwa-shin admitted the kiss wasn’t bad, and that only spirals Na-ri into more jealousy.

Hwa-shin tries to call Na-ri, but he’s intercepted by PD Oh and Announcer Uhm preparing a birthday cake. They drag Hwa-shin into Sung-sook’s birthday celebration, and he reluctantly sings the birthday song upon request. The cake becomes the birthday cake for Announcer Uhm and PD Oh who have relatively close birthdays, and soon enough, everyone is making wishes with the cake. Ha!

Announcer Uhm and Ja-young both wish for marriage; PD Oh wishes to live with his family; Sung-sook announces her wish for Pal-gang to abandon the two mothers equally; and Hwa-shin wishes that you (Na-ri) won’t stay at the house without him. Altogether, they blow out the candles of the cake.

Na-ri arrives at the share-house but sits in her car, conflicted on what to do. Jung-won finds her outside, and she explains that she can’t enter the house anymore because Hwa-shin left. Jung-won understands the conflict but tries to coax her back into the house for now.

Jung-won calls Hwa-shin to confirm that he won’t return to the house. Hwa-shin asks if Na-ri returned to the house and bursts out in anger when Jung-won confirms that she did. Jung-won clarifies that the departure from the house means that Hwa-shin is giving up on Na-ri. Jung-won says that unlike Hwa-shin, he won’t give up easily and intends on marrying Na-ri.

Hwa-shin hangs up and tries to contain his frustration. Meanwhile, Na-ri stares at the “Jung-won” calendar in her room and reflects in disbelief. She takes out her suitcase to pack her things.

It’s raining outside, and Na-ri sits with Jung-won at the dinner table. After a brief moment of hesitation, she admits that she was jealous earlier when she saw Hwa-shin with another woman. She kept a log on her calendar of who she wanted to live with every day, and though Jung-won was written all over it, she only felt jealous with Hwa-shin. “This is really strange, but I think this is the answer. Jealousy comes from love. My heart must be for Hwa-shin. I’m sorry.”

Jung-won looks crushed and tries to justify that jealousy isn’t love. He reminds her of the comfort, warmth, and reliability she felt with him. He asks if he’s boring — if he’s bland because he doesn’t cause trouble — and Na-ri tearfully shakes her head no. Jung-won argues that those feelings with him are also love, but Na-ri isn’t convinced. She admits, “But I just want to be by Hwa-shin’s side.” Jung-won asks if she really likes Hwa-shin more, and Na-ri nods. Oof, she’s shattering his heart.

Unable to accept Na-ri’s decision, Jung-won asserts that she needs him. Her feelings for him may have ended, but that’s not the case for him. He’s not willing to give up and claims that his sincerity will go longer than Hwa-shin’s jealousy. Na-ri apologizes again and leaves the house.

As Na-ri begins to drive away, Jung-won stops the car in the rain and desperately pleads that Hwa-shin only started liking Na-ri because Jung-won did. Without Jung-won, Hwa-shin’s feelings will soon disappear, he claims. Jung-won also predicts that their relationship will be over in three months, since Hwa-shin has never maintained a relationship for longer. Jung-won begs her not to leave, but Na-ri feels compelled by jealousy to follow her heart. She apologizes and drives off, leaving Jung-won stranded in the rain.

Na-ri climbs the stairs back to her rooftop home and breaks down in apologetic tears. But in the following days, she doesn’t show any signs of sympathy when she sees Jung-won waiting in front of her building. She announces that she likes Hwa-shin and tells Jung-won not to come again.

After the weekend, Hwa-shin receives a message from Jung-won with updates that Na-ri left the house and broke up with him. But Jung-won also warns Hwa-shin to stay out of his way in his attempt to get Na-ri back. Hwa-shin reads the message just as Na-ri greets him in the dorm, but she’s swiftly kicked out so he can change.

Madam Kim wonders why Jung-won was out of contact all weekend, but he doesn’t comment on it. She asks what Na-ri thought of him, to which Jung-won has no response. Awkward.

Na-ri buys tea for Hwa-shin, and she updates him about leaving the house and breaking up with Jung-won. He’s getting a different message from Jung-won, but Na-ri insists that it’s her heart that matters. Hwa-shin doesn’t completely believe her heart anymore, but it’s a mutual feeling now. Na-ri asks if he’s going to date Hye-won, and he’s offended that she still can’t trust him.

Na-ri follows Hwa-shin into the elevator, and she calls herself stupid and pathetic for liking Hwa-shin, which unintentionally insults Hwa-shin. She trails after him and asks if he’s going to break up with her. He responds with a vague “Later,” but we see his smirk as he walks away from her.

Hwa-shin visits a drunk Jung-won, who’s blasting some strange dubstep coping music in his house. He quietly mutters an apology, but Jung-won unexpectedly tells him to date Na-ri. Then, he assures Hwa-shin that Na-ri will return to him soon anyway.

Still in denial, drunk Jung-won calls out for Na-ri in front of her building. She comes down to him and tells him to stop visiting, so that she can stop feeling guilty. He asks if Hwa-shin is staying at his rooftop home, and Na-ri responds that Hwa-shin is staying at the overnight dorms at the station due to the election broadcast. Jung-won shakes his head and claims that Hwa-shin is married to his work — doesn’t Na-ri want to actually get married?

Jung-won warns her that Hwa-shin won’t go all the way to marriage, but Na-ri isn’t interested in what he has to say. He promises to be back, and as he’s driven away by Secretary Cha, Na-ri expresses her final lingering feelings: “I liked you. Thank you.”

Hwa-shin and Hye-won busily prepare the election coverage, and Na-ri keeps a close eye on the pair as impeccable Hwa-shin coaches Hye-won through her nerves. They go out for sandwiches, and Na-ri joins them. She exchanges one half of her sandwich with Hwa-shin and tries to make small talk about the dragging election.

Hwa-shin cues Hye-won to leave, which gives him some alone time with Na-ri. She claims that Announcer Park is giving her a hard time but quickly takes back her lie. She admits that she just wants some attention and concern from Hwa-shin, but he’s not that easy.

That night, Na-ri stares at Hwa-shin’s house from her patio and expectantly approaches the railing when his lights switch on. She looks around and first finds Hwa-shin’s mother, who recognizes her as Jung-won’s girlfriend. Hwa-shin joins his mother, and she asks when Na-ri’s getting married to Jung-won. No one bothers to correct her, and Hwa-shin remains oddly neutral towards Na-ri.

During breakfast at the restaurant, Chef asks the mothers how they’ve decided to proceed. Ja-young tells Sung-sook that her wish won’t come true and snatches the newspaper out of her hands when Sung-sook tries to ignore her. Then, Ja-young asks Chef to date her, and Sung-sook berates her for her greed. She’s going to take Pal-gang and Chef? They’re both sharpening their knives to fight for Chef, which both flatters and frightens him.

A complaint is taking Hye-won and Soo-jung out of the running for the election coverage, since both announcers have powerful families backing opposing candidates. For the objectivity of the news, they need another announcer to take Hye-won’s place, and PD Oh gives Hwa-shin the choice between Na-ri and Jin (the catty announcer from a previous episode). He’s not happy about it, since he’s just established a rhythm with Hye-won.

As Hwa-shin awaits the broadcast, Secretary Cha arrives with an outfit delivery from Jung-won. Hwa-shin remembers Jung-won’s promise to continue giving as he’s always done for his friend. He sheepishly asks how Jung-won is doing and accepts the outfit.

Hwa-shin arrives at the news desk, where Na-ri is waiting for him. She thanks him for choosing her, but he’s not pleased at all. He pessimistically breaks to her to she won’t meet the expectations of the live election broadcast because she’s still green, but Na-ri isn’t discouraged. She says that she’s quite possibly a better partner than Hye-won.

Hwa-shin warns her about the slew of numbers that she must accurately report, and before he can finish his sentence, she’s already practicing her lines from the teleprompter. She delivers her lines with ease and accuracy, and Hwa-shin looks slightly impressed. But he smells the alcohol on her, and Na-ri admits that she drank a little soju to calm her nerves and loosen her tongue. He orders her to brush her teeth, and she obediently leaves to do so.

Hwa-shin receives a call from Hye-won, who’s drinking to cope with her unfair disqualification from the election coverage. She asks for encouragement, and Hwa-shin agrees to meet her. Na-ri follows him to suggest a meal together, but he leaves because he already has plans.

Na-ri spots Hwa-shin with Hye-won at the pojangmacha outside the station, and she sneakily sits at the table right behind Hwa-shin to eavesdrop on their conversation. Hye-won asks Hwa-shin if Na-ri is as good as she is, and he nods that she’s getting there. Na-ri tries scooting back as close as possible to hear their conversation, bumping into Hwa-shin in the process.

Then, Hye-won asks Hwa-shin if he feels the same with her before and after their kiss. Na-ri doesn’t want to hear the answer, so she takes her bottle of soju and leaves. As Na-ri walks away, Hwa-shin responds that he feels no different, and Hye-won finds his response cold. Hwa-shin explains that Na-ri is having a hard time because she broke up with his friend (is that what you think?), and Hye-won drunkenly wishes for his broadcast with Na-ri to tank.

Na-ri enters the weathercaster room and spins around with her soju, feeling at home. She checks the locker room and smiles when she sees her locker still labeled with her name. She continues to chug her soju bottle in the ladies’ overnight dorm but begins to search for food when her stomach growls for food. She finds a cup ramyun hidden in the crevice between the bed and nightstand, and she looks delighted to have discovered its existence.

Na-ri brings the ramyun to the guys’ overnight dorm to share with Hwa-shin, since he likes ramyun. Hwa-shin notices her drunken state and seems concerned that she hasn’t eaten. He refuses the ramyun, so Na-ri doesn’t want to eat it either.

In almost exact imitation of Hwa-shin’s drunken confession, Na-ri says, “I’ll do everything. Date me, please. Please.” Hwa-shin looks down and doesn’t respond, and Na-ri demands to know why he’s so cold, even after she’s broken up with his friend. Hwa-shin says that he giving it more time, since she broke up with his best friend. More importantly, she broke up with a good guy because of him.

Na-ri asks, then, if he was just waiting, and he nods. Na-ri tears up in realization and bursts into tears. Hwa-shin laughs as she wails and kicks about on the bed, and he gets up to sit by her. He looks at her lovingly and asks, “Na-ri-sshi, will you please date me now?” Na-ri laughs through her tears. He asks again, “Please please please, let’s date now.”

Hwa-shin wraps Na-ri’s hands around his neck, and he wipes away her tears. The, he leans down and kisses her. They happily kiss the night away, with the uneaten ramyun at their side.

 
COMMENTS

I love the thought and attention that goes into small seemingly insignificant details in the show, both tangible and intangible. The kiss and the ramyun were carefully tied together to show the emotional progression between Na-ri and Hwa-shin, and I think that elevates our understanding of the relationship. Though the build-up to this moment was a bit roundabout, the ending scene feels earned and deserved because of the symbolism of that cup ramyun: rediscovering something that was hidden but always there. It shows how purposeful the writers and directors are with building this story and relationship, which makes me love this show even more with each new discovery in the details.

I’m happy to report that the romance and the momance lives on, with Sung-sook and Ja-young hopelessly attached and invested in each other’s lives. We’re lucky that Dad’s will assigned Ja-young as Pal-gang’s guardian because Sung-sook isn’t one to let one note determine her fate, whereas Ja-young is more the type to let dread consume her. There’s a nice balance between the two mothers, and if they could stop being so hostile with their rivalry, they could be the power mother couple for Pal-gang. We already know that’s what Pal-gang wants, but Sung-sook’s wish for mutual suffering is going for the complete opposite. I’m preparing my slow clap for when Sung-sook and Ja-young realize that they can both fulfill their role as mothers without being mutually exclusive.

Oh my, there is so much to digest from the break-up conversation with Jung-won and his response. I loved the brutal painful honesty that Na-ri finally recognized and articulated, and I initially felt SO BAD for Jung-won. Even though Na-ri denied it, he is quite boring and bland as a character in comparison to Hwa-shin. Without the context of Hwa-shin, he actually may have been a reliable top candidate for Na-ri. For a moment, I wondered if Jung-won would be the obvious choice because of his reliability and comfort. I wondered if Na-ri was making a mistake by choosing the erratic and egotistical Hwa-shin over this sweet boy. But then, words started coming out of his mouth. I just needed him to stop talking and start crying miserably so that he wouldn’t say any more stupid things, but he just kept talking.

As soon as Na-ri confessed her honest feelings about him, he suddenly spoke with a super demeaning tone. His instinctive response to her rejection was to become an ass and mansplain that she needed him, that she just didn’t realize how much she needed him. Noooo, that’s a big bright neon blinking red flag. I’m not going to pretend that Hwa-shin didn’t do this either, but it’s so pitiful and pathetic when you can’t own up to blatant honesty. Even after some time to recover, Jung-won continued to pester Na-ri and Hwa-shin with his projections of their future. It was messy and almost unforgivable, but it was real. Relationship endings aren’t the cleanest things to watch.

Hwa-shin’s got a gift in making people go mad, and I’m not sure if that character flaw is just being used to mask the inconsistencies in his character. I couldn’t really tell why he was being so distant with Na-ri after she basically confessed to wanting a monogamous relationship with him. Initially, it seemed like he was just playing with her — almost reverting back to the Hwa-shin who mistreated crushing Na-ri for three years. But then, he justified his cold distance to him feeling bad for Jung-won? That confuses me and frustrates me, and surely, it irritates the hell out of Na-ri.

Nevertheless, I’m happy and relieved with the relatively guilt-free and mutual kiss between these two because I didn’t think we would get there so soon. But I’m already worried about the rest of this drama. What’s it going to do with the remaining episodes? Let the second leads dig themselves a deeper hole of despair? Dating shenanigans between Hwa-shin and Na-ri? Tie up the loose ends tighter and tighter? I have no idea what’s to come now, but as long as we’re promised plenty of hilarious and lovable shenanigans between these two, I’m not complaining.

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JJS in those glasses.......swoooooon

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I know right? What is up with him in those glasses?! Why is it so great?

You know what? I don't need to know. I'm just going to go look at it some more. ^^

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mmmmm, I dunno. I'm still feeling pretty slighted on Jung Won's behalf *gives NaRi and HS some side eye*

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yea, me too. And HS holding out b/c of BFF JW was just weird. it kind of shattered a character illusion I had about their motivation and authenticity. wish the show had handled it better.

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And even watching NaRi act so pathetic didn't stop him. Even though that was the exact thing she had told him she was worried about. He expected her to just have faith in him even though he's been treating her fairly terribly on occassion even during his pursuit of her. I actually hated most of this episode and actually wondered if Jung Won was right until the cup o' ramen.

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So many conflicting emotions! I feel so bad for Jung-won :-( Does anyone know the name of the song that plays at end of episode when Hwa-shin and Na-ri finally agree to start dating?

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Hmm it should be Will You/ Would you come to me by Brother Su

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Thanks for responding, but there was a song right before the one you mentioned which was playing when Na-ri was crying in the dorm room.

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Hwa Shin busting up ballet moves on the roof top. BEST. THING. I'VE. EVER. SEEN.

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I grin like an idiot when I see Hwashin uncontrollably happy. His unadulterated, genuine excitement rubs off on me . :)

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Bahahaha! My second favorite part of the episode. The way he jubilantly twirls and shouts how much Na Ri loves him is soooooooo perfectly obnoxiously yet so lovably him!

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And like a true performer, I like that his twirling stayed right on the helipad's outer white line. The OCD person in me swooned at that. And glasses on are a lovely look!

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SHALLOWLY, HOW GREAT ARE HWA SHIN AND NA RI'S KISSES?

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RIGHT?? I wish all Kdrama kisses were THIS AWESOME! Not good for my weak heart though. But will still replay. ?☺ *Happily, unabashedly joins you in all the shallowness* ?

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Is it just me or does GHJ still do a bit of fake-kissing. I super adore her as an actress but she is always a little inhibited in intimate scenes and they are usually shot in a way that make one suspect the director accommodates her inhibition.

Nothing per se wrong with that, eventually it's how the kiss comes across. But if you do have a scene of the sort in my opinion it eventually comes across better when an actress is not holding back - thinking of Yoon Eun-hye, Shin Min-a, Park Bo-young etc. for e.g.

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PS: JJS is good at it though:)

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That's the thing about JJS - While kissing he makes the women he is with, look good too. If I remember right, Park Bo Young's first onscreen kiss was with JJS in Oh my Ghost. Despite her lack of experience, they nailed it. May be these actresses are super comfortable working with him. And he seems to guide them well.

Whatever they are doing on screen with those lips, mama sure is loving every second of it!

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Yes he has the right balance of passion and courtesy required in rom-coms for intimate scenes

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Right? Even his kiss scenes with IU would have been super awkward had it been a lesser experienced actor. But he made it work so well.

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I know what you mean, but I think she's been able to let go of that a lot (or at least a little) more during this drama!

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Partly due to JJS I think but yes a little! If I remember correctly in one of her interviews she said she was closest to her IOTL character (in so far as it is possible to be close to a fictional cheater). That drama was probably about as uninhibited as she ever got.

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ugh autocorrect. character not cheater.

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Looks like your autocorrect is on Team Jung-won...

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@mary, lol!

Autocorrect "betrayal" given I dislike the word cheater - unless it has to do with exams:)

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ha ha.. @mary!

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YES!! Honestly I can't count the number of k-dramas ruined by boring, barely lip-grazing, emotionless kisses. If that's the extent of skinship they're gonna show, then at least make them good. Thankfully the kisses in this drama are hot!

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Yup! I don't usually replay kiss scenes in shows because they're either a really good make out but not really romantic or really romantic but like dead fish kissing.

In this case it was just really natural and cute and romantic and I love JJS and all his scenes with his female costars because he really nails it.

I have to say, JJS is also the only actor that I do feel adds new facial expressions to characters that wouldn't have gone with other characters he's played. Which really helps to dissociate his with his previous roles. Like how he plays HS is so very different from Chef in OMG or even robotic soldier boy from K2H!

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Don't remind me of K2H my heart still aches~(Sad face)~..

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Yup, right there with you on K2H. ?

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GOD, they are the best kisses I've ever seen in Kdrama! When JJS laid it down in that locker room in EP 14 and blew my poor ovaries out (may they RIP), I realized just how much I've been missing out! Please Kdrama land, lets see more knockout kisses like this in the future.

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Lol! Whose ovaries whaaat?? Hahah

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The imagery. PWAHAHAHA, best ever! I love it!

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Old habits die hard, Na-ri is back to square one again. I cringed when seeing her behaving so comfortably and naturally in that stalker role when she threw all her pride out of the window by obsessively fussing over Hwa-Shin again. For over three years, she has been so accustomed to it that subconsciously, this has become her comfort zone such that she would rather resume this role, than be treated like a princess by Jung-won, never mind that Hwa-shin was giving her the cold shoulder again like before.

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disappointed with her character too. I thought she would have learned something and that her taste has matured.

maybe I'm just too old to understand the romantic side of Nr-Hw's push and pull.

or maybe because I married a "boring" friend like jungwon, who is dependable and practical, doesn't get angry at me no matter what mess I do, never picks a fight with me cause he thinks fighting is a waste of time, who believes that I can do well in things I want to try, doesn't intentionally play with my feelings, and who stays consistent with his loyalty. the guy is so trustworthy that he's never given me any reason to be jealous in our 20so years together.

ladies, it's okay to date a bad boy who fires up your passion, but marry someone who will forever keep your heart warm.

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Your marriage sounds great @tb_a..
Uri NR has made her mind though. Afterall, wish the bad boy a worth catch. :-)

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it has it's ups and downs ;) but mostly because I'm the troublemaker lol
yes, I'm OK with whatever choice she makes but I wish the writer was fair to everyone.
also, since the show is very hwashin-centric, they should have given him a chance to become a better person Earlier. or they could have given jungwon flaws that nari noticed and took note of. but realizing love because of jealousy? I'm as perplexed as Jw haha
like I said, maybe I'm just too old(and boring) :)

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This show is all about Jealousy, I remember a scene from the very initial episodes in which Pal Gang says that she would choose the person who's more jealous out of the two guys as it proves that he loves her more than the other one. Its similar with NR too.

For me tho, jealousy is a negative emotion which should be avoided as much as possible.

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That conversation of JW with NR that he is more warm and caring is what got me. This show has been pretty realistic in its portrayal of characters overall but when it comes to choosing the right guy it had to go the kdrama way by chossing the bad boy in the end.

Not that I wanted NR to choose JW because I was always team HS but I wanted HS to become a little more caring and get over his jerk behavior. You are right. How many times would you fight with your partner and how many times do you think things would settle down. But that conversation of JW actually made me think that one should look this in a guy, the personality traits that he was describing are the ones which would make for a long lasting relationship.

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that's what got me too. and here I thought Jungwon was just all loving and giving without seeing the bigger picture. it made me realize that he has always been sincere with his intentions to marry her.

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@tb_a, agree, when it comes to choosing a marriage partner, dependability, trustworthy and sense of security are the most important. It is better to marry someone who treats you with respect rather than one that gives you the thrills with his unpredictable behaviour. A roller-coaster ride once in a while is fun, but if this becomes a daily affair, it will be hell.

HS could have explained to NR upfront that he was holding back from dating her because of his consideration for JW instead of giving NR the cold shoulder. Yet NR was acting like an attention hungry puppy following him around though he insensitively disregarded her feelings for a second time.

kdramas are always conveying the dubious message that jerks can make a complete transformation and turn coy and sweet and understanding once they genuinely fall in love. A leopard does not change its spots, once a jerk always a jerk. Though it seems tempting to be able to tame a leopard with the power of love, be forewarned, this is very unlikely to happen in reality.

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@pebble I didn't really like that part. if you were so desperately in love with the person, and she finally falls on your lap, why would you even make her suffer even for a tiny bit? to give her a dose of her medicine? (cute for the viewers, hell for the person feeling it)
he could have explained it to her like a mature and sincere person. yet they say hwashin's honesty is refreshing.
Uhm..bluntness and honesty are different things.

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I feel like there's an assumption that marrying the guy that gives you thrills means you're marrying the unpredictable one. But why do you assume every guy that makes you feel that way is unstable?

I think the point is that the one that challenges you everyday but has your back in life is the ideal for every person.

I don't think this drama is trying to sell HS as someone that does a one eighty for one girl. Yeah, I don't think he communicated well with her here but overall he's always been the same person with her and without. He just needed to grow to be a better version of himself and I think he's still working towards that. We still have time left in this show to see that happening.

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❤❤@ Quinze

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Yes! Oh, yes!
Hwa Shin always tried to protect Na Ri even when he was still coming around to realize, that he really can allow himself to like her back. He helped her in every way possible in their job.

People talked about a revenge kiss with Hye Won in last episode's comments, he is human, maybe he has a little revenge teasing Na Ri after realizing she loves him. But his intentions were great and to me they were obvious. It would have been horrible to start dating the second she left Jung Won.

And let's all remember how he restrainded himself after he realized that he loved her and she was dating Jung Won. He tried everything possible to stay out of their way and not disturb them. After learning about his feelings by finding the pictures he urged her to not be swayed by him. He was suffering so much but tried to save his friendship and not meddle with the dating couple.

Jung Won otoh ignored Na Ri's reluctance. He is used to get what he wants, if he doesn't get it, he buys it. Although Na Ri told him (correct me if it really was Hwa Shin), that she even couldn't chew a borrowed gum, he tried to force this stupid credit card upon her, he proposed to her in company of his mom, and did the most stupid thing by maneuvering her into the dinner situation. We all know what this means.

Now after the break-up he is not accepting or trying to stay back, he still is presumptuous and even lies. Or do you all believe, that Hwa Shin never dated anyone longer than three months? Because in the beginning of the show they were shocked to learn, that they both dated Soo Young. Obviously they don't really know about their relationships. And we also know, that Hwa Shin dated her till he went to the army, although we don't know, when he went before or during college. Also telling the girl not to wait for two years isn't exactly a way of breaking-up just to go to the next girl.

I always liked Jung Won, but he, too, got issues and I trust the show, that he'll learn by this experience and not become a total jerk. Honest till it hurts Hwa Shin would not have been livelong friends with a character like that, it's just that Jung Won has to learn defeat.

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@Quinze, I said "giving the thrills with his unpredictable behaviour" in the context of HS and NR at the end of this ep. It was not meant as a sweeping statement for all situations.

HS was unpredictable, one moment he was giving her the cold shoulder and the next, he was kissing her so passionately. The unpredictability of HS's reconciliation with her made that kiss felt like a more fiery and "thrilling" experience for NR. Imo, NR would be better off choosing boring but dependable JW though he was not giving her much thrills. However, things changed in the next ep as NR stepped up when being cornered by HS, but HS was still being unpredictable as even NR was dumbfounded by his reaction, albeit a positive reaction. Let's not discuss here as I do not want to throw spoilers. :)

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@ Pebble
I get what you're saying but I don't see it as a damning trait of his character that can't be changed. NR has said it before and I think it still rings true even at this point in the story. She has said she has difficulty trusting him because of history with him. This isn't something new. And likewise, HS has his own set of insecurities that makes it hard for him to be consistent at all times or to trust her feelings for him. He's not written to be this perfect put together complete product of a man. But again, I think the story makes that apparent (his ex literally spends 5 minutes listing his flaws. He doesn't even have a peep of protest to that because he's well aware of them I feel).
He doesn't know until this episode whether she has feelings for him and he doesn't know if they have a future together until after he hears it from both parties that they've broken up. Still, to jump into a relationship right after seems disrespectful to JW. Should he have communicated that to NR? Of course, but like I said he's not perfect and that's the point (lol who's ever described HS as truly mature?).

That still doesn't mean that this relationship has no potential to grow into a secure healthy one. We're watching their progression and seeing how they went from taking turns loving each other one-sidedly to finally coming together to start something together. It's not going to be picture perfect or smooth but even in real life it won't always be that way for every healthy couple.

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@Pebble: "I said “giving the thrills with his unpredictable behaviour” in the context of HS and NR at the end of this ep. It was not meant as a sweeping statement for all situations.

"HS was unpredictable, one moment he was giving her the cold shoulder and the next, he was kissing her so passionately. The unpredictability of HS’s reconciliation with her made that kiss felt like a more fiery and 'thrilling' experience for NR. Imo, NR would be better off choosing boring but dependable JW though he was not giving her much thrills."

This reminds me of the old behaviorist experiments with pigeons: The pigeons received food pellets (rewards) for pressing a bar. When they received a pellet every time they pressed the bar (dependability), they were not as interested and did not press the bar as many times as when they only sometimes received the reward for pressing the bar. The pigeons pressed the bar many more times to receive the food reward when they were uncertain of outcome, than they did when they knew they would get it for pressing the bar.

Supposedly this works for training dogs, too: You're not supposed to give the treat every time when training them in a new behavior, because on some level they perform the cost-benefit analysis and eventually feel, "No, I really don't want to get the biscuit for doing this behavior this time." It becomes less interesting to them. Whereas, if they are not certain they'll get the reward, that sharpens the interest for them.

That, in a nutshell, is Na Ri's relationship with Jung Won and Hwa Shin, to me. Jung Won is the dependable one, so the reward of his loving behavior feels predictable, boring, and less valuable to her, than the loving behavior she only sometimes receives from Hwa Shin. She really has to work for it with Hwa Shin. When she finally does get love from him (as opposed to a cold shoulder), she feels so rewarded!

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Haha, @Jamie, thanks for giving us such an interesting explanation from Psychology 101. This is a universal truth, and it can also be explained from the perspective of Economics 101 too. :)

As JW is giving his love so freely, he is over supplying it, and NR being the consumer is subjected to the Law of Diminishing Marginal Utility, as such, the more she received, diminishing satisfaction set in and she became less and less thrilled by it. As for HS, since the supply is unpredictable and can be cut off anytime (he was threatening about breaking up), his love becomes an ostentatious good, i.e. NR wanting it more as the price she has to pay for HS's attention gets higher and higher. LOL. Economics is actually not my field, I better stop spouting nonsense here. :)

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Lol @Pebble! I like your Econ 101 explanation--Dramabeans University for the win!

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I sincerely do think that Hwa Shin may have given the situation some time not just out of respect to his friend but also to give Na Ri some time to really make sure he was the one she wanted to be with. If that were truly the case I can understand his actions. He could've still maybe gone about it a little differently but I can almost understand him being cold to her. When he went to Jung Won and apologized, man oh man I'm sorry but that was just such a show of good character. It made complete sense why he was acting the way he was. I also can't imagine the drama would let their friendship end because of a girl, so he'd have to show that he's taking his friend's feelings into consideration. I mean, we already can imagine what Hwa Shin and Na Ri's chemistry was going to be like when they got together, no need to rub it in his face so soon.

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But, I think if this episode established anything at all, it was that hwa shin hasn't changed. That despite falling In love, he still remains the same person. Him not telling na ri why he is keeping her at distance is exactly in line with his character. He does things he believes is the best without consulting others, like the case with his brother, where I think he assumed it was better for him to expose his brother before anybody else found it. He does things with good intentions but since he doesn't share it with the people concerned beforehand, when it comes out, it Inevitably hurts them, so he gets called a jerk and his reason for doing it doesn't matter anymore.

So, I think if he had explained to her upfront, then that would have been totally out of character for him.

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Well, Ep 20 is the episode that l've been waiting for since the beginning of this drama. That is, how HS redeem himself to be NR-deserving. Not to give spoiler here but till the very end he's still the same HS but he proves he is that one partner that will walk with NR into the sunset weathering the storm together and grow professionally and personally together.

Can't wait for the discussion.

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Yeah, that's it @Imbuk, well said! A jerk is someone who does something that inflicts hurt without considering the feelings of others. The fact that HW didn't bother to explain himself but left NR desperately hankering for his love like dangling a carrot to entice her then using a stick to beat her up by purposely giving her the cold shoulder and making her jealous of HW, while all this time, he himself was enjoying the attention from NR and rejoicing in her jealousy. If this is not jerk behaviour, what is??

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@pebble I agree hwa shin is a jerk, but I don't think he purposefully does it. I believe he has good intentions, the way he goes about is what is wrong. I think he thought that na ri needed some space because of her break up with Jung won and that it would be taking advantage of her if they start dating just like that. Also he was not mean to her the way he was when she had a crush on him, he was just neutral, so I guess that meant what he said at the end is what he actually felt. Also, I think he wanted her to trust him regarding hye won but I agree that is hard to do when he refuses to give an explanation.

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Actually, I'm sitting on the fence, as I don't dislike HS, I could see his sincerity as well, though his actions and insensitivity infuriated me at times, so whoever NR chose to be with, it's fine, my initial posting above was directed at NR's subconscious choice and behaviour, not so much about criticizing HS. Yes, HS is not a jerk at heart, but he acted like a jerk as he failed to empathize with others. We see this clearly in ep 20, he thought what he did was for the good of NR, and he only realised the impact of his action on her until those around him scolded him. Being with HS requires a lot of hard work, while with JW, it seems to be a breezier choice as NR obviously felt more comfortable with him, like in the company of a reliable old friend.

Well, kdramas always give us hope that the jerk is either a nice person at heart, or if not, he will always be able to work through whatever issues and the couple will eventually overcome all odds and end up happily ever after. So based on this rom-com formula, we will be seeing more of HS redeeming himself in the last 4 eps. Alright, to be fair, JI has that element of unpredictability which spiced things up quite a fair bit to keep viewers amazed, so overall, it still offers a rather enjoyable watching experience.

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Correct. HS has a big communication issue. Even if he think he thinks he is right, he needs to communicate and explain the reasoning of his actions so that others can understand his actions...Again, I don't think HS is a bad and selfish person. I have listed why in the previous comments so I won't list it here again. I was conflicted with this movie several weeks ago since I would always advocate good guys over bad guy but couldn't bring myself to support JW and I think I know why now. #1. - even though HS looks rough from the outside but inside he is honest/care about NR. JW looks like a perfect husband material from the outside but he has flaws too. He introduced NR to his mom and said that he will marry her in a month without asking NR's approval beforehand. He forced NR to use his credit card (I found these actions very offensive), He gives drink an popcorn to NR in the movie theatre without even taking his eyes off the movie (compare that with HS in the movie and you can see that HS focus on NR instead of the movie). #2. In order to have a good relationship, you have to be compatible and have chemistry. There's no chemistry between JW and NR but there's a lot of proof that HS and NR have a lot of chemistry with each other. On top of that, they become themselves, bicker and share their vulnerabilities with each other (which is needed for stronger relationship). #3. In order to have a satisfying relationship, you need to have it with someone with similar passion/goal as you. NR's dream is to become a successful anchor and make her mark in the broadcasting world (which is similar to HS's goal and passion). They can understand each other because of this and honestly, I think HS is the best person to help her achieve that goal.

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❤ @ Y, Imbuk, Quinze, newbie, PYC

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My husband and I are both boring folk who give each other space and just get along with life. And as life is not a drama I hope no one takes cues from dramas and just looks around and sees how people around them get along and make decisions!!!!

I don't mind wherever dramas go. They are not real - well they are real enough to empathise with the situations but mainly they are skewed reality with tropes aplenty.

Generally in a drama the likes of JW act as a foil to throw in relief the eccentricities of the main characters or to forge their connection. Or even if its JW as the lead, you can bet they will thrown in a manic pixie dream girl sort to balance it.

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I'm glad you and your husband are happy in your relationship.

But I do think it's simplistic to assume we take cues from dramas as if we don't realize these are exaggerations of reality.

That being said, not every relationship is one where getting along in life is the prerequisite for success. People have different motivations for being together. Some people fight all the time but do so in a way that helps let out frustrations in the security of a loving relationship. It doesn't mean it's unhealthy or that it's destined to fail.

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"But I do think it’s simplistic to assume we take cues from dramas as if we don’t realize these are exaggerations of reality."

I hope so and that these arguments are only cos people get attached to certain characters. But sometimes you have to wonder if "I am too much in love with a fictional hero" memes are also somewhat true!! Whether it is Mr Darcy or JW they are fictional constructs after all. Men like that do not exist.

And I absolutely agree, there is no one kind of happy or correct marriage and mine is no prescription for it.

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@Karuna: ""Generally in a drama the likes of JW act as a foil to throw in relief the eccentricities of the main characters or to forge their connection. Or even if its JW as the lead, you can bet they will thrown in a manic pixie dream girl sort to balance it."

"But sometimes you have to wonder if “I am too much in love with a fictional hero” memes are also somewhat true!! Whether it is Mr Darcy or JW they are fictional constructs after all. Men like that do not exist."

Well said in both your posts, Karuna!

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@Jamie, thank you!

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Dear people..... :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
What you re discussing here does bring fresh perspective to me. Thank you, thank you, thank you for sharing your very nice thoughts..

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Gold..:-) :-)

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The fact that you married JW type of guy and happy is very good. However, it doesn't mean that HS and NR's relationship cannot work either. In my own experience, I chose a more difficult guy (but not a bad person) to marry too. We dated for 8 years and been married for 6 years with 1 kid. Our relationship was very volatile to begin with and in the beginning we fought almost every other day but we persevered, went through hardship together and we ended up becoming better people and having stronger relationship.

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I agree! I'm married for 17 years (actually today is our anniversary ;) ) and we dated 9 years before that. We have a great marriage and we know we can rely on each other. We do fight. But fighting clears the atmosphere (see ep. 20). And we need it, because, as my hubby once said to me, he needs a sparring partner, not somebody talking after his mouth.

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Happy Anniversary, Newbie!!!❤❤??
Stay happy and healthy!

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@MyGirl2016 - Thank you! <3

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Happy anniversary Newbie ..
:-) :-) :-)

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I completely agree with you. JW's character is the marriage material and not the HW person. "Boring and bland" but comfortable was what I described my bf and now husband. I totally experienced a HS like character bf who was my crush, brought out my feeling of insecurity and gave me heartaches. It was totally heaven at a moment but hell the next...so tiring!

Nari is totally stupid right now which I understand but I really hate watching this episode. I just fast forward most of the time.

I am hoping the writers get real here. Please end the story the right.

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I've had the JW type come along in life and unfortunately no matter how great he looked on paper, how nice his whole family was to me, how much my parents loved him and vice versa, and how nice he was to me, there wasn't any way I could see myself with him being happy. I couldn't connect with him, feel attracted to him, see the potential for a future, or even feel excitement speaking to him. So yes, even in real life the "boring" nice guy could come along and despite logic and common sense, some people can't think to make it work.

Does that make me stupid? Maybe to you (my parents would like to think so), but to me it just means that it's not the kind of relationship I want.

I feel that NR isn't being stupid. She just doesn't need the boring nice guy. She wants and needs someone that makes her feel excited about the every day and loves her even when she's angry and yelling. Someone that pushes her buttons but wants to actively help her succeed in her dreams.

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This show is all about the details and nuances. I highly doubt you catch them ff-ing.

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Beautiful..beautiful..beautiful...
*i really drop my jaw, people.
Thanks..thanks..thanks...

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Yes... My husband think like u do. Only rare girl will choose jungwon, but if u do it, u will not regret it.

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Yeah, I got angry at her this episode. Why? Why act so pathetic? So frustrating.

In other news - I want the moms to live together with Ppal Gang forever and eat breakkie with Chef and each have lovers to see them through.

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how this drama will probably end:
- hwa shin and nari riding off into the sunset
- possible abrupt pairing with jung won and hyewon

how I want this drama to end:
- nari and jung won!! tbh their r/s just feels sweeter and would be really great if jung won learnt to give her some space
-hwa shin and hye won bc come on they'd actually be equals in their r/s and hwa shin actually gives her some respect?? plus honest r/s too bc hye won would totally call him out on his jerk ways

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JW should be the one riding off into the sunset ALONE!!! Living NR and HS in their own mess...
Maybe JW can find a girl and a real bestfriend then comes back to show HS that He is better alone without him..

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I don't know if it just me but I want Jung Won and Announcer Soo Jung to be together.

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Me too. They might give it a serious try.

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Same lol. Mostly because her coming to his place drunk and spiteful was hilarious. And they have chemistry!

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I wanted hyewon and hwashin too lol
only because she will probably say "and so?" if he tells her about his breast cancer (which is the main thing that emasculates him) and wouldn't that be the perfect partner for a proud guy like him so he would be loved without worrying that it is tinged with pity? I like hwashin too, btw. I'm just partial to Jungwon.

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Its HS for NR and HS fell much deeper for NR when he realised that NR is the only one who would accept him for who he really is. HS has his eyes only for NR now... and I doubt Hye Won would accept HS after knowing about his illness.

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same reason why I'm not sold to the idea that they should give a "better" girl to JW because he told hwashin he's never wanted anyone so desperately in his life like Nari. he should just be given a dignified exit, not into the arms of a new girl.
I like hyewon :) I think she is kind despite of her tough act. she's never shown any cruel side and I admire her for that.

I wonder if she has a clause in her contract that says no deep kissing. am I the only one who can clearly see that that was a fake TV/theater kiss? lol

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Concerning Jung Won I'm still unsure whether he really loves Na Ri or just wants to possess her. She is someone he can't buy and that is a challange as he is used to get what he wants. She is so different from all the women in his life, but I am not sure if it is really love for him. She is intruiging and cute, but they have nothing in common.

Why is he so obsessed with her? And what did he really do for her so far? Okay, he gave her clothes (with the nice side effect, that his brand gets promoted in tv) and he held up his mom on her way to the audition. But without Hwa Shin Na Ri wouldn't have made it in time. Other than that? Help my memory. Pay for food? Drive her to work? Some gentlemanly stuff.

For Hwa Shin it is something differnt. They really get each other. They have a deeper understanding for each other because they know the jobs they are working and the demands that come with it. Also she knows about his illness. She has seen him in the hospital and smelled his farts. Hwa Shin even gave up his opportunity to become the 9pm ancor. That's a major sacrifice and he simply shrugged it off. On top of that he saved her job when she was tipsy, he gave her all the advice she needed for the audition. This stuff is in a different league than what Jung Won did.

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@Newbie: "And what did [Jung Won] really do for her so far? Okay, he gave her clothes (with the nice side effect, that his brand gets promoted in tv) and he held up his mom on her way to the audition. But without Hwa Shin Na Ri wouldn’t have made it in time. Other than that? Help my memory. Pay for food? Drive her to work? Some gentlemanly stuff."

How about consistent warmth, kindness, affection, and regard? Treating her at all times as though she is valuable to him? Making clear his feelings and intentions? Not blowing hot and cold?

Jung Won has never not treated her well, until they got into this ridiculous situation. Even that's debatable.

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@Jamie
See, I'm willing to say that he didn't show her regard. He was nice, polite, that all is true, but he never valued her own opinion. He pressured her to address him in a more casual way when she didn't want to do it, he force fed her the popcorn in the theater, when she threw away this credit card he laughed it off. He never showed, that he respected or understood her decisions. It was all about him and what he wants.
He is not downright obnoxious, I really like him!, but in the long run such a kind of behaviour will create lots of problems in a relationship. Na Ri is absolutely not the kind of girl willing to go with what the guy says.
Jung Won still got something to learn. Once he realizes it, he will be a good partner for someone. But never ever for Na Ri.

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@Newbie:
I'm willing to say that Jung Won and Na Ri are not a good match for each other. He likes her (and believes he loves her), but he doesn't understand her, though he respects her goal of being an anchor.

I think you said upthread (and sorry if it wasn't you) that you didn't like Jung Won forcing his credit card on her, and treating it like a joke when she said she didn't want it. But someone else pointed out that she asked for a car from him earlier. It wasn't clear from that scene how much of a joke that actually was to her--a little, a lot? If it was ambiguous to me as a viewer, so how much more ambiguous would it have been to him?

Eh, so far as smelling Hwa Shin's farts go, for that matter she's seen Jung Won naked, front and back. That's not really such a big deal, either way. It's what's inside that counts.

Hwa Shin and Na Ri share career goals, for sure, and Hwa Shin is more help to her that way. For whatever reason, she's obsessed with him and he's recently become obsessed with her. Codependency is another word for a match made in heaven, I suppose: she loves to follow Hwa Shin, fuss over him, and doesn't respect his personal boundaries. (She force fed Hwa Shin as much as Jung Won force fed her.) I think Hwa Shin is really into that now that he's had to deal with the cancer diagnosis, though he couldn't stand it before.

Really, what matter is that Na Ri want Hwa Shin and not Jung Won. It's her decision to make, although I don't think she makes the best decisions ever.

Truthfully, I almost quit the show every time Na Ri is shown behaving like a stalker toward Hwa Shin: it's both invasive and beyond pathetic, and throws up huge red flags. (The words creepy and grotesque come to mind, too.) Hwa Shins's coldness to her didn't bother me before he decided he liked her back: it's really what she deserved and the apparently only way to make it clear to someone like her that her behavior is unwelcome and has to stop. But after he told her he liked her, the blowing hot and cold and pushing her away and twisting the knife of jealousy in her...it's not nice.

They may work out as a couple in kdramaland, but I know a couple like this in real life, and it's not pretty.

P.S. I do love JJS and his acting of Hwa Shin's character; and Hwa Shin does have his charms and attractions, for sure.

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@Jamie - Her 'wish' for a new car never was anything other than a joke testing the waters for me. Like she said, she couldn't chew a borrowed gum. Even during the time she was officially dating him, she only accepted the dress he made for her, as he sponsored the tv people with his clothes all the time, and immediately brought it back when she thought he'd marry the other girl. She is not someone accepting gifts easily. Their dinner dates (and I assume he paid) were actually always Jjajangmyeon. Can it get any cheaper?

As for Na Ri's pushiness. Yes, she appears a little clingy, tries to make her charmes work on him, but we must consider that we see e.g. a lot of flashbacks back to back, in real time this might have stretched over months and wouldn't be as aggressive. And we are still watching a rom-com. Exaggerating is their choice of stylistic device.

I really doubt the creators want to sell us stalking as a valid method to approach a partner or as romantic (like they do right now in Something About 1%, did in I Need Romance 3 and many other shows, albeit mostly done by a male).

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@Newbie: You're right, of course Na Ri is not materialistic. But what do you mean her joke (about wanting him to buy her a car) was "testing the waters"? Testing to see if he actually would agree to buy her a car? To see if he gets her sense of humor? There was joking back and forth, but she brought it up, and it was an odd joke. It wasn't 100% clear what she meant in that scene. I don't blame Jung Won for not getting her; but what is more important is, he doesn't get her, which means they are wrong for each other.

"As for Na Ri’s pushiness. Yes, she appears a little clingy..."

A little?!?! Are we watching the same show?

"...in real time this might have stretched over months and wouldn’t be as aggressive."

If even one of those incidents had happened in all those months (i.e., the staring sadly and resentfully at Hwa Shin's blind date and refusing to leave, which was frankly incredibly uncomfortable, bizarre and boundary-crossing), that would be reason enough to never have anything to do with her again.

Yes, I get that comedy exaggerates. But how much is too much? To me, that was too much.

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We have to agree to disagree then.

The car buying scene was an absolute joke to me, it never crossed my mind that she ment what she said watching it. Yes, she was testing the waters as in how far could she go. Would he really say 'yes' to such a bizarre, pompous demand?

Her being clingy worked for me, too. Because within the boundaries of this quirky jewel of a rom-com she needed to behave like that. Hwa Shin built such a thick wall around himself, she needed to be like this to crack it and make him see and finally believe, that she is in earnest and really, really sees him and still wants him.

The bahaviour that gave me problems in this show is coming from Jung Won, who is of such a subtle jerkiness, that many in the audience still fail to see it. He is a lovable character on the surface, but somehow his issues are far bigger for me than Hwa Shin's or Na Ri's, because they are hard to detect and to me therefore more difficult to deal with. I'm looking forward to see how the show will play it out. His actions are already on the edge and the coming eps will show how deep his outer perfectness really goes. Crossing my fingers, that the wonderful bromance will survive!

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@Newbie: Yes, we'll have to agree to disagree.

"Yes, she was testing the waters as in how far could she go. Would he really say ‘yes’ to such a bizarre, pompous demand?"

See, I think "testing" someone by saying something you don't mean to see how they react is absolutely not cool. It's manipulative. I would absolutely be offended if someone pulled that on me.

Na Ri's being deliberately dishonest and opaque in her motivations in this "buy me a car/I'm joking but I'm not" scene, so I do not blame Jung Won for being confused. (And let us note here that he does not believe there is anything wrong with wanting to provide/or be provided for materially in a relationship!)

I think Na Ri is being manipulative with Hwa Shin, for that matter, too. I don't like power games. The whole thing bothers me.

"Subtle jerkiness" on Jung Won's part I'll agree with, though I think it is not more of a problem than Hwa Shin's blatant jerkiness.

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Jung Won, just ruuunnn.... Runnn.. Runnn from HS & NR!!
Find a good girl who loves you and another best friend who also cares about you!! Don't look back!! Leave them!!

Show, please don't downgrade JW's character anymore!! Don't make him into a despicaple SL!! Pleaaaaseee!! JW is cool and a good guy in earlier eps before his so called bestfriend and ex-GF dragged him into this mess... He might be boring and bland, but HE IS A GOOD GUY!! Why is it dramas always want the jerk-type of guy gets the girl??

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UGH, ikr?
Young Beanies, please take a practical lesson from this drama (at least so far) and when given a choice, pick the boy who always smiles when he sees you.

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I'm far from being a young beanie and my practical lesson from this show is very differnt. DON'T take the boring, polite guy. Life is long, why spend it with someone who has nothing in common with you?
Love and passion are fleeting, choose the guy who really gets you and supports you not only with money but with advices that help you achieve something. Share a common interest and be real friends.

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@Newbie... ♥♥♥ your comment, and for the record, I'm also far from being a young beanie myself.

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I am young and single, bbstl and Newbie. :-)
This show seems have consumed me so much. Sure, I ll consider your advices here, hehe..

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AGREE 100% with newbie. Don't chose a guy "just because" he is nice and has a perfect husband material. There has to be more than that!! Consider vulnerabilities, passion/goals, and interest.

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Ha! I'd say don't pick a guy who's mean to you, ever. It's just not worth it.

And OF COURSE, as you said, don't choose a guy just because he's nice. Does that even need to be said?

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I wouldn't take JW just because he's nice (and good-looking and rich) if I didn't have feelings for him. On the other hand, even if I did have feelings for HS, I wouldn't take him because I hate playing games in relationships. It annoys me to no end and the 'feelings' that I have end up going away anyway if the games continue.

But, to each their own. Depends on your preferences and priorities.

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I have a male friend who is a longtime GHJ fanboy so he watches all her stuff. he was steongly team Hwashin at first because he can relate to his situation at the beginning of the story.
but he stopped watching after ep18 lol
said he couldn't take it that (his) nari will end up with such a jerk. he said he wanted him to change and deserve her love Before he won her over.
he also didn't like what the writer did to Jungwon's character to highlight Hwashin's good points.

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Exactly. I have always liked HS but he should've changed.

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+10000. I believe NR's conclusion about her jealousy-provoked love was wrong. Between Jealousy and Sincerity, which is love? I won't get jealous or feel threatened by a partner that's steady, reliable and consistent. Jealousy often stems from insecurity and uncertainty; which let's admit is pretty much how HW leave NR feeling most of the time.

It's pretty upsetting how Kdrama land always has the bad guy get the girl. And for someone who mentioned in some comments up there about cues not really being taken from movies. Please, get real. Lots of watchers take cues from movies (consciously or subconsciously). I've seen and known a number of unhealthy, abusive relationships with either partner always wanting to get the upper hand playing unnecessary mind games. I've had friends who wanted the bad guy over the doting, affectionate, boring one because the bad guy is more interesting or dynamic. Never ends well!

No offence to those shipping HW and NR but in real life, such relationship won't work unless they make sacrifices of honor and self-abasement.

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Yes....just run JW!!! NR actually does not deserve you. LOL. Give up NR and remain bff with HW.
Someone else better will come along.

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the symbolism of that cup ramyun: rediscovering something that was hidden but always there.
i love that line ❤❤
i'm so happy for NR & HS,sorry for JW
thanks for the recap DB

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Aww that's a great line!

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This drama loves to do the unconventional. The Hye-won and Hwa-shin's kiss resolution,the way those two mom made up after that crying-yelling fest, or that adorable cake for all wishes.

Now, on to the romance front. I do think that Jung-won's involvement in that triangle love made Hwa-shin felt more insecure. And that resulted in him being a complete jerk. Sure, he is an arrogant and narcissistic person even before that, but he is capable of showing kindness and taking care of others. But whenever his best friend is involved, he behaves like a man who forgot that he can be something other than a prick. Or maybe I'm just reading too much into his character...

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No, I don't think you are reading too much into his character at all. Hwashin's character is written with lots of layers. He can outwardly seem like this egoistic guy full of pride, but then you also see him come across as this selfless man who didn't think twice before putting his career into jeopardy to help the woman he loves.

That guy... he tries . To do the right thing, to be a better man. And you can't help but give him credit for that.

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Well phrase sis..

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Yeah definitely think when he first kissed with NR and then subsequently watched her backpedal into saying she loved both guys, it made him feel like he wasn't enough on his own merit. Like I think he's always recognized in his head that JW is so much more an impressive guy in terms of character and gentlemanly behavior (which I feel is more that on paper he looks so much better but he's about the same once you dig further) that he feels like he doesn't really add up.

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I believe JW is really a nice guy. However, he turns out become jealous that he is no longer act like his usual self. He has flaws too..

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JW is scary when jealous, right from when he knew HS's feelings for NR he's acted rash with HS... and that was even when HS decided to stay away

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I too find his jealousy is scary, lol..

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Finally Hwa~Nari, Fine-A-Lee!!! You two big IDIOTS! *happy tears*

Fav part in ep 19 (well, apart from that ending :) ) - The birthday cake scene - the gazillion candles that nearly burned down the SBC station, Hwashin being an unwilling participant for the birthday song, their all-inclusive make-a-wish performance, HS plunging the knife into the cake ... I loved it all!

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Usually I feel compelled to rewatch just the romantic bits in dramas because most of the side characters are your usual standard stock personalities.

That cake scene was so fun I had to rewatch it a few times. Just the literal 50 candles, using the cake for like 3 different birthdays, everyone making a wish haha.

I swear I love all the side characters in this show. The two moms, Announcer Uhm (Still not over him clogging their bathroom after failing to change a lightbulb lol) and PD Oh (...is his office even his?).

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True that. Lovable side characters galore!

PD Oh - is his office even his? he he..

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I too doubt it as no one listens or obeys his orders much, especially HS, JS, JY

I love that they share a friendly bonding

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The side charachters in this show are not to be missed. At times I wait for their scenes when our main trio goes on for too long. Plus they are all top notch actors. This is what good acting does to a good script. Every scene stands out and you don't want to miss a single thing.

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I am sure, I love them all.
HS's wish turns out better, that NR finally acknowledge her love for HS to JW herself.

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Not quite sure why so many people are saying date HwaShin but marry JungWon.

I mean, sure, JungWon is the safe, nice, comforting, steady (though that's a little debatable in these episodes) guy and HwaShin is a little nuts but not all relationships are the same and not all people want the same people to go through life with them. Each and every relationship has it's own vibe.

All I'm saying is choose who you wanna choose, the guy your heart says yes to or the guy your head says yes to. Whatever it is, take responsibilty for your decisions. If you choose the guy your heart says yes to, don't complain that he's not perfect. If you choose the guy your head says yes to, don't complain that he doesn't make your heart beat and look elsewhere or sigh for more.

Damn, JungWon is a sad kicked puppy now, but NaRi doesn't owe him anything in the feelings department. Feelings are not anyone's posessions other than the person in question him/herself and certainly not claimable on 'first come first serve' or 'she's mine since you gave up' basis.

1 Night 2 Days had a debate (posted on it's fb page) about this topic (though the girl discussed there is a long time girlfriend, so it's a bit different) and there was one sentence that DongGu (Yoon SiYoon) said that I highly concur with - cheating is definitely morally wrong, but you can't judge love with morals. What more in this case when none in the triangle are married or even in a long time, commited relationship.

JungWon would do better to save himself and back out. He'd do even better if he doesn't harbour ill feelings.

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"All I’m saying is choose who you wanna choose, the guy your heart says yes to or the guy your head says yes to. Whatever it is, take responsibilty for your decisions. If you choose the guy your heart says yes to, don’t complain that he’s not perfect. If you choose the guy your head says yes to, don’t complain that he doesn’t make your heart beat and look elsewhere or sigh for more."

ˆˆˆThis is a perfect way to put what I feel really needs to be said about both this drama and relationships in general.

I feel like people keep assuming that the younger/more idealistic you are the more you'll choose HS over JW but...not really. It's all about what you want out of life. Some ladies prefer the safe steady guy, others prefer the possibly unstable passionate guy. I hope no one prefers the trashy abusive guy but otherwise chose what works best for you in life.

And yes thank you. NR really doesn't owe JW anything. She didn't drag it on longer than it needed to once she was sure and she was honest with him. She's sorry towards him that this happened the way it did but this was her final choice and that's that.

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LOVE IT Perps..

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For those who think that JW is better for marriage, don't forget that he's a mama's boy. Nari's mother-in-law would pester her until the end of days.

South Korea is not like the States, where you can just move to the opposite side of the country to escape your in-laws -- it only takes a couple hours to get from seoul to busan.

Hwashin's mom OTOH seems like a cool and laidback lady.

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Right? Ha ha..
I like Hwashin’s mum too.

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Wonderful post, Peeps. You really pinpointed exactly why I've felt so conflicted reading some posts that seem so sure of this relationship failing. Every person is different. We all just have a responsibility to find what we're looking for in our respective relationships and establish a rhythm that works for us. Love and chemistry work in mysterious ways. A relationship that seems like it could never work for you, could be just what another person is looking for. As long as a couple is willing to work at their differences and continue to build trust with each other, they have a shot at establishing a supportive relationship. I don't see how anyone can readily judge these two just because their relationship isn't ideal for them personally. Everyone deserves to go after what makes them happy. Some are just willing to take more of a risk than others.

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You said it well, Peeps. I do believe that when it comes to a relationship, to each their own. Even though HS may not be every girl's cup of tea, neither is JW. I am part of the older audience group of this drama, but I definitely belong to the minority who think that a guy like HS is not necessarily a bad choice, and no, a nice, steady guy like JW, doesn't necessarily the one best choice for every women, either. We each has our own personality traits, so I also believe that the best guy for each woman cannot be judged just by one standard.

That said, I do feel sorry for JW this episode, simply because he's so crushed.

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Yes, thank you. Look I respect the nice steady guy. I want nice things for him and that he's happy. But I want a good guy that's also going to level with me when I mess up, who isn't going treat me like I'll break, and who I can engage with about what I'm passionate about even if sometimes that means we'll end up rolling our eyes at each other. That level of open trust comes naturally and smoothly for some people and have to be pulled out like teeth for others (like NR and HW). But it doesn't mean it's an inferior relationship.

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- ‘NaRi doesnt OWE any one anything in the feelings departmnt.’ ❤❤ @peeps.
Nari chose who she wanted to choose. And people just need to make peace with that!

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Finally (although... i think it's a bit late) we're getting there with our two leads. Thanks!!

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Finally!! Even tho it was kinda obvious shed pick HS, im glad she finally did because it was getting frustrating. JW being delusional was sad but I expected him to act that way tbh. Idk why but I keep thinking he needs someone like Hyewon that could make him stop his act. HS looked inconsistent at the end... like, he smirked when he realized she was jealous and seemed like he was treating her coldly to get back at her because she couldnt trust him but then out of the blue, it turned out he was trying to 'wait' in respdct of his friend? Wth?? Random.

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lol I feel like it was more so that he was giving this the breathing room it needed especially telling after he goes to JW to let him know. But he couldn't help but enjoy her jealousy a tad bit because it's part of what he finds cute about her- when she's getting riled up.

Yeah it was actually hard watching JW this episode. His denial made me sad for him.

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Ya.. that bit wasn't handled very well.
So initially you are milking her jealousy (which I get, coz that's TOTALLY in character for Hwashin!). Then you do a bit of cold shouldering bcoz she still doesn't trust you regarding Hye Won. That also I get. But then at the end you say you were holding back out of respect to your friend. Okkkk... If you say so Hwashin-ah, if you say so.

P.s. But I still love you.

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To me, HS showed his soft side that he did feel JW's pain. After all he made a choice.

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Part of the reason why HS is a more compelling person to me is because he's complicated. He's a good guy with a very prickly exterior and a ton of flaws. But a good person nonetheless. When it counts, he'll be there for you. He won't sugarcoat things. And he gives credit where due. Yes sometimes (*ahem* most of the time...) his delivery is shit but he's not really doing it to be malicious. I think how he interacts with Hye Won is telling of that. He constantly mentors her without being egotistical and gives constructive criticism. He does it with NR too. He could still do with working on being a jerk but to me he's still a good guy.

It's actually realistic tbh. I've met a lot of guys that I could easily have dismissed as jerks but when you cut through their posturing bs and speak levelly with them, you realize they're actually good guys with the potential to be better.

And while I do love JW, I think he's got his own set of flaws too that people aren't recognizing. For everyone that keeps saying, it's not realistic to chase after HS over JW...I'm not sure that's accurate either. It goes with the assumption that HS is an abusive jerk because he yells a lot. Which I think is really dismissive. There are some people with no potential to be better people that are trash from the get go. Hwa shin is not that. And while JW is a nice guy, he'd be doing both himself and NR a disservice if they were to marry.

NR may appreciate his gentleness and goodness but it'd get old really fast. They're attracted to each other, they can have fun with each other but they don't seem to connect intellectually. They don't seem like they could challenge each other to do better. JW can't seem to drop down to be level with NR. It was telling in their date that he likes spoiling her and again while any girl can appreciate a well-mannered guy, not every girl enjoys being coddled or handled as if they're fragile. I think NR's biggest flaw is she thinks she wants to be coddled because she's never experienced that but what she really wants is someone who has her back and vice versa who won't think and speak FOR her.

I feel like I identify and relate with her in so many ways because of that and see why gravitates towards HS.

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good points. I just wished the writer made him "better"(?) earlier. then I would have joined in on cheering for him when he finally succeeds.
they probably wanted to drag out the 3some hijinks to make the visuals more interesting, and didn't take into account that people might actually move to the the other guy's side lol
nari should have stayed with her decision to dump them both and whatever they do after that would be their fault, not hers. but she got a bit greedy (who wouldn't haha)

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Well if they had made him better earlier there wouldn't be pay off and there certainly wouldn't be much of a story. Like if he WAS better at this point, we'd basically be at the finale now. I think at this point we get to watch HS grow as he tries to navigate a relationship he's fully invested in and to see him be that better person.

Lol honestly, the polarity isn't surprising in viewers but I don't think that's a flaw in the story. That's just a natural preference of viewers. I actually do see what is so appealing about JW and why he is so preferred amongst viewers. That's also a plus for the story because up until a few episodes ago as much as I love HS I could see NR going either way. Which is what the show wanted to portray. Now that it wants to show that NR (Not the viewer) chose HS, we'll see them grow together not separately.

Personally, while I do see the appeal in JW and were I to have a real life version of him, I still would need to feel that connection and level of comfort/familiarity with him before I could say that I would choose him over someone like HS. But then again...I'd probably be like NR and want to choose both lol.

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❤ Quinze

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If you rewatch the show, you'll see that Hwa Shin was 'better' from the very beginng. He is a very honest character and did all the right stuff. He is far from being malicious, yet he felt unworthy for anyone except Jung Won. So much so that he released his pent-up energy in this silly bar brawl in Thailand. It was like he tried to prove himself that he really is a jerk.

He is a tough professional who loves his job, but he is always fair. Remember the company outing at the ssamgyeopsal place when he wasn't allowed to drink and eat pork? Mr. Oh made some announcements concerning the ancor position. The original idea was to rank the contestants with Hwa Shin being in the top spot, but Oh fought for an equal start. Everybody applauded enthusiastically. Even Hwa Shin. That is how fair he is. The people misinterpret him and his actions, but he is far from being the ruthless egoist they and he think he is.

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Love love love love Newbie..
I ve fallen for his characters from the beginning but cannot put it into your beautiful words (pulling my hair). Thanks
:-) :-) :-)

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Excellent point about Hwashin’s fairness. @ newbie I remember that announcement by Oh PD.

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As if you're talking to me, lol. It's bugged me to deconstruct NR's men liking. Many thanks.

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Spot on Quinze - connect intellectually!

Reason enough for the HS-NR pairing.

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Mostly connected while picking fights, hahaha... NR often spotted holds back and lies for some reasons she knows better, but when it comes to confront HS, she makes a perfect match. She turns out as blunt as he is. That's my very first clue for their pairing ending.

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