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Jealousy Incarnate: Episode 20

Feelings are discovered and clean breaks are made, but a lull never lasts long in dramaland, and it’s time to bring skeletons out of closets, have long-overdue fights, and then maybe fight about not fighting. And I don’t know about anyone else, but this hour really leaves me craving—crazy craving!—ramyun.

 
EPISODE 20 RECAP

Hwa-shin leans over Na-ri and they kiss. In voiceover, he asks her to date him now, please. When they take a breath, she laugh-cries about how wronged she feels and hugs him tight. He declares they’ll date starting today.

Hwa-shin sneaks Na-ri into the kitchen of the empty staff canteen. He starts to make ramyun for her and, but his technique and frequent questions make her guess that he doesn’t actually know what he’s doing, although he insists he does. She remembers his ex saying how he never used to lift a finger, and he replies indignantly that she and Na-ri aren’t even comparable—he never made her ramyun.

She peeks over his shoulder to see if it’s done, and his eyes crinkle with a smile as she squees that it’s exactly her style. They sit down to eat, Na-ri still trying to get him to admit it’s his first time making it. In his mumbly way, he says they’ll have ramyun together a thousand more times, but in the face of her smirk, he finishes with a huffy, “Can you just believe me?”

Falling into giggles, Na-ri asks, “When you say, ‘Let’s eat ramyun a thousand times,’ is that a proposal?” She says that if they have it every three days, it would take three thousand days and that’s nearly ten years. “It’s not a proposal,” Hwa-shin laughs in reply.

Na-ri decides to sleep at the station and they part in front of her room. But before Hwa-shin turns the corner, he turns back to her. “I’m sorry. For making you lonely for so long,” he says, with a heavy sigh, “I regret wasting that time, too.”

He’s heartened by her reply that she hasn’t been so good lately either, and asks her to hang out with him instead of sleeping, plucking at her sleeve like a 6-year-old. Finding it endearing, she laughs and sends him on his way. Back in his dorm, he growls to himself that she’s so cute. Hahaha.

In the morning, Na-ri practices her steps for the election broadcast, thinking to herself that it’s possible she can do better than Hye-won. Ja-young watches her from the mezzanine above, pleased by her diligence.

Madam Kim drops in on Jung-won. She remarks on not seeing Na-ri around lately, but he just says she’s been busy. Madam Kim’s also heard that Na-ri is doing election coverage, and tells Jung-won to prepare outfits for her to wear for it.

Meanwhile, the news comes though of Hye-won’s father’s resignation from his government post. Announcer Uhm and PD Oh sigh that it’s a shame, but from behind his newspaper, Hwa-shin pipes up that they needn’t worry, “Our Pyo Na-ri can do well, too.” The other two turn to him in surprise. “Our Pyo Na-ri?” repeats PD Oh. Out of view, Hwa-shin smiles giddily to himself.

Hye-won finishes a call with her father. Looking bitterly at Na-ri, she says to herself that if he were going to resign, he should’ve done it just a bit sooner.

Hwa-shin shares an elevator with Sung-sook. Still bursting with little smiles, he tells her she’s pretty today, and says he understands now why his brother married her. Sourly, she points out that they also divorced, then his brother died, and now she’s about to lose her daughter. If he understands why his brother married her now, when will he understand all the things that happened after that, she asks. Lols. A good question. She guesses he must be dating, but smiles to herself all the same.

In the studio, they run through a full-team rehearsal for the election coverage, and Hwa-shin coaches Na-ri on diction, presenting in time with the graphics, and placing her steps correctly. Hye-won comes to watch, just as they switch off the autocue to simulate a broadcasting accident.

Hwa-shin improvises smartly by discussing the two opposing candidates’ election promises. He hands over to Na-ri, who talks about past turnouts, and then looks at him for approval. “Is that it?” Hwa-shin asks, and tells her it was dull. Hye-won steps onto the stage and makes a lively case about key historical figures who had all once been mayors of Seoul.

That was interesting, Hwa-shin says proudly, and Hye-won hands each of them a coffee. Having made her point, she tells them to do well and sees herself off.

Jung-won comes to Na-ri’s building and drops off the outfits—one for each part. She tries to turn him down, but he says that he’s also dressing Hwa-shin. “You really are stubborn,” she says, giving him a hard look. She asks him to stop coming, and he reproaches her for being so cold towards him. “I’ll do well,” she tells him. “Of course,” he replies.

Election day is here, and Na-ri prepares herself. Looking in the mirror, she tells herself that she can do it. Ja-young comes in with coffee and advice, and says that the most important thing is not to be nervous. Since it’s live and unscripted, she says Na-ri also has to pay close attention to reading numbers.

Ready to go at the newsdesk, Hwa-shin notes Na-ri’s nerves and snaps his fingers for her attention. He proceeds to make faces at her and makes her do mouth-stretches to loosen up. He slides a note over to her: “Don’t be nervous.” And another: “You’re not alone.” “You have me.” He hesitates a moment before sliding over one more: “I love you ♥” They look at each other, smiling, and Na-ri slips the notes into her pocket.

The live broadcast begins. But disaster strikes when one of the graphics shows the bar graph for the percentage of votes to each candidate the wrong way around (which Na-ri reads first), while the number of votes remains correct. Not noticing the problem, she thus reports the wrong candidate in the lead, while panic builds behind the cameras.

Amid the confusion, they confirm the numbers are correct, so Hwa-shin cuts in to take over from Na-ri. She at last realizes the mistake, and Dong-gi finally gets rid of the offending graphic. Hwa-shin hands over to a field report, and as soon as the on-air light is off, he goes to a wide-eyed Na-ri and tells her it’s okay. Smiling, he encourages her to forget this. But on his way back to the desk, he growls at Dong-gi to do his work properly.

Hwa-shin’s mom and Madam Kim are watching at Rak Pasta. Hwa-shin’s mom remarks that Jung-won’s girlfriend is making mistakes, and figures Jung-won must like her a whole lot, to choose her over Soo-jung. Madam Kim fierily rejoins that it’s Na-ri who likes Jung-won more.

Back in the studio, they begin to report regional results across a map of Seoul’s districts, but the CGI team mess up with another wrong graphic, and Na-ri finds herself pointing at a blank space, even though she’s on her mark. As she tries to adjust to it, the team change it, and she’s in the wrong place again. This is terrible!

Dong-gi has a meltdown up in the control room, and they find out that they’re tanking in the ratings. Na-ri’s uncertainty shows, and once again, Hwa-shin strides in and smoothes it over, to the seniors’ collective relief.

In the interval, Na-ri clips out of the studio. PD Oh tells Hwa-shin that the SBC president just said that Na-ri will be fired from the morning news if she makes another mistake. Hwa-shin goes in search of her, but pauses uncertainly outside the bathrooms. Inside, Na-ri tries practising a few lines. “I can do it,” she repeats to herself, reminding herself that she does live broadcasts every day.

Finally, Hwa-shin goes in, and takes Na-ri’s hands in his. She churns in agitation and he tells her again not to dwell on her first half mistakes—she can do this…can’t she? She calms, but a tiny flicker of uncertainty crosses his face.

Bursting into an empty stairwell, Hwa-shin locks a cigarette between his teeth as he thinks. He seems to come to a decision, and stops Na-ri on her way out of the loos. He warns her that making one more mistake would have big consequences for her, and says, “You decide. Can you do part two?” There’s a long pause, and he asks if he should swap her out.

She still hasn’t said a word, when he nods and says, “Let’s take it up to here.” She’s still wordless, when he tells her she could lose her morning slot. At long last, she nods, and with a loving caress, he sends her home. On his way back to the studio, he makes a call.

PD Oh breaks off arguing with the president when Hwa-shin returns alone. Hwa-shin merely takes his seat. A moment later, Hye-won comes in and takes the seat beside him, and PD Oh immediately calms. Ja-young watches this unfold. “Broadcast sure is cold-blooded,” she says in distaste, before turning heel and leaving. Hwa-shin’s head remains lowered, as he struggles with his feelings.

With new energy, Dong-gi kicks off again, but everyone is taken aback when Hwa-shin roars at him to get his act together—the previous mistakes were because they messed up the graphics, so they’d better take responsibility. Hye-won coolly takes in the impassioned outburst.

Ja-young searches for Na-ri, but she’s not in the building. At Rak Pasta, Chef Rak and the moms notice Na-ri’s been swapped out. Jung-won, watching with Secretary Cha, leaps to his feet. “That cold-blooded bastard,” he whispers. Heading for his car, he growls that he won’t stand for it if Hwa-shin is the one who swapped her out.

Looking up at Hye-won and Hwa-shin on the big screen outside the SBC building, Na-ri can’t stop a few tears escaping. Jung-won nearly passes by, but stops the car as he catches sight of her. Wiping her eyes, she leaves without noticing Jung-won, who gets out of his car and follows at a distance (while Cha follows behind him, lol).

The broadcast wraps up and PD Oh tells them they finished top. Sung-sook catches Hwa-shin at the desk and asks, “Wasn’t that your girlfriend?” She remarks that he hasn’t changed at all—still willing to hurt his lover or his family if for the sake of his job.

“Are my words wrong?” she asks with a cutting smile. Announcer Uhm breaks in and tells Hwa-shin he did a good job, but Hwa-shin can’t stay there a moment longer. He heads straight to Na-ri’s place, but she isn’t home.

Still on her sad way home, Na-ri pauses at the sight of Hwa-shin’s car, and turns around only to be faced with Jung-won. He asks if she’s okay, and she says she is, but he steps in front of her as Hwa-shin approaches. Na-ri looks back at Hwa-shin over Jung-won’s shoulder, and then walks past him without a word.

Jung-won confronts him about swapping Na-ri out. Hwa-shin replies that it would have been worse if she panicked and made more mistakes. He says Na-ri can handle herself, and must go through this pain now in order to overcome her fears.

But Jung-won really becomes incensed when Hwa-shin says there are things he doesn’t know. He says he watched over Na-ri crying, while her pride prevented her from crying in front of Hwa-shin. And while Hwa-shin ran away to Thailand, Jung-won watched his family suffer. Voice hard, he says that Hwa-shin would do the same again, all for the sake of his beloved job.

“That’s my way of loving my brother, and loving Pyo Na-ri,” Hwa-shin says passionately, “Even if it looks like injury and hurt in the eyes of the world, that’s just what other people think. I did that to my brother because I loved him. I made Pyo Na-ri step down because I love her. I don’t need other people’s understanding, and I don’t want it.” But he says he thought Jung-won, at least, understood him.

“You might say you loved them,” Jung-won replies savagely, “But a wound is a wound all the same to the person receiving it.” He adds that if Hwa-shin took Na-ri’s heart from him only to hurt her like this, he won’t forgive him. But Hwa-shin says that, hurt or heal, Jung-won doesn’t get to judge.

“This is why I can’t send Pyo Na-ri to you,” Jung-won answers, as the men remain nose to nose, and the silence stretches between them.

Na-ri lies on her bed, arm over her eyes, replaying Hwa-shin’s words. Chi-yeol checks in, asking what happened. More to herself than to him, she says she’d be even more pitiful if she were mad, and wonders if she should’ve asked to be let off since she’s his girlfriend. It takes Chi-yeol a minute to clock the word “girlfriend”, but Na-ri sends him off before he can ask.

The next day, Sung-sook marches into PD Oh’s office where he’s having a meeting with Ja-young, and asks her if she plans to marry Chef. Ja-young admits she wants to make a family for Pal-gang, but Sung-sook tells her to stick with just dating him. Ja-young realizes Sung-sook is afraid of being kicked out of the house.

Tone flippant, Sung-sook says she’ll do all the housework from now on, and Ja-young scoffs. Unfazed, Sung-sook shares that Chef can hug, so she’s sure Ja-young can awaken his desire (“since you’re sexier than me”). I’m not sure it works like that, but Ja-young perks up. Trapped between the two women, PD Oh gives up.

Na-ri arrives chipper and cheerful for the morning news, although her partner Announcer Park is an ass to her about last night. Hwa-shin comes to watch her, too, and she smiles brightly at him. After she finishes, she finds Hwa-shin waiting outside the studio. He can barely speak, but translating his awkward twitching, she easily agrees to coffee.

She remains cheerful with Hwa-shin, although her face falls when she meets Hye-won’s eyes across the floor. He brings up yesterday, and she apologizes. Lightly, she says that she wanted to do well in front of him, although she doesn’t know if she’ll get another chance now to stand next to him. He just looks at her with tormented eyes.

Na-ri finds Hye-won is waiting for her at her desk. “[Hwa-shin] might be dating you, but at work, I’mhis partner,” Hye-won says, “He also matches well with me. I’m his workplace girlfriend. You acknowledge that, right?”

Na-ri quirks into a smile and agrees that she’s lacking at the job, but asks Hye-won if she’s ever had ramyun at work, cooked by Hwa-shin himself. “It’s to die for,” she tells a confused Hye-won.

Hwa-shin finds Na-ri leaning tiredly in the elevator, but she perks up when she notices him. Frustrated, he pulls her into a stairwell. He sits her down and says she must hate him to death after he—her boyfriend!—changed her out like that. He gets more and more worked up, angry that she’s not angry with him, that she’s smiling.

He demands she fight with him, and doesn’t understand why she won’t—if they won’t fight about this, then what? She says there’ll be lots to fight about later, “Let’s not fight. I’ll do better.” Still smiling, she tells him to get to his broadcast, which is about to start any minute.

Back in the office, Na-ri makes Ja-young an offering of vitamin drinks. In sympathy, Ja-young tells Na-ri that Hwa-shin was really reprehensible and she should ditch him. Aw. But Na-ri asks Ja-young to teach her everything about her job from the beginning: “I want to become a capable person.”

That night, Hwa-shin joins Na-ri and Beom outside Stepmom’s store. After a moment, he plants a kiss on Beom’s cheek and asks Na-ri if he should give her one, too. She shakes her head, and Hwa-shin kisses Beom’s other cheek, but Na-ri doesn’t want one there either. Pacing, he finally asks Stepmom for ramyun.

Back at Na-ri’s place, Hwa-shin brings her a pot of freshly-cooked ramyun, and says it’s the second time. Once she’s eating, Hwa-shin goes into teach-mode, telling her how anchors who were field reporters respond better in real-time broadcast emergencies than studio announcers. She offers to get him kimchi, but he sits her back down.

He tells her that she needs to practise more, read the newspapers every day for a variety of perspectives (instead of watching him read them, ha), and put more thought into writing her openers to keep viewers interested in what’s to come. He doesn’t notice Na-ri’s darkening expression, until she throws down her chopsticks.

“You didn’t believe in me one bit, that I could do the second half well without mistakes, did you?” she accuses—that’s why he changed her out. Na-ri sighs that she’d held it in, not wanting to look petty, but now she can see that he thought she was lacking from the start.

She crosses her arms, ready to be frank at last, and says that tried to understand him, knowing he must feel awful after doing that to his girlfriend, “Still, I’m your girlfriend! You could have believed in me a bit, but you kicked me out.”

She’s embarrassed that she’s ended up saying it to him after all. Taking a moment to collect herself, she says she still doesn’t quite believe that he really likes her: “If I get angry, we’ll fight, and if we fight, you’ll say ‘let’s break up.'” She tells him she was so afraid of that that she couldn’t even get angry. “Do you feel good now?” she yells. His head is bowed, and she turns her back on him.

“Marry me,” Hwa-shin says, raising his head (and he says he’ll have that kimchi, too), “When you’re fierce and furious like this, you’re so beautiful, so lovable to me.” She looks back at him in disbelief.

Eyes alight, he says that he’ll make her ramyun a thousand times: “I’m proposing. Let’s get married.”

COMMENTS

(And as the credits roll, there’s a ridiculously cute little alien Love, Actually re-enactment with the notes! Hee!)

That was a lovely proposal in itself, but I’m pretty sure marriage won’t solve your problems, Hwa-shin! Although it might solve some of them? This relationship is wonderfully tangled in a way that makes it exciting to watch but torturous to write about, because there’s so much to unsnarl.

I was glad that the broadcast let Na-ri’s inexperience at her new job show, and at first, it seemed to me like the question was whether it was wrong of Hwa-shin to switch Na-ri out. I didn’t think so, as their romantic relationship has no place in their working relationship. I also didn’t think this situation was comparable or similar to what happened with his brother. No, Hwa-shin was maligned by the world because without the worse outcome playing out, people can’t properly comprehend that this is the best of a bad situation. And like he told Jung-won, he’s entitled not to explain himself. So with Na-ri’s job at risk, he did exactly what he should have done and made a good call.

And until Na-ri confronted him with her side, I didn’t see it. But after seeing it, I can’t unsee it, and it changed the entire second half of the episode to me. Because her complaint isn’t that she doesn’t get preferential girlfriend treatment, it’s that he decides things relevant to her by himself. He had already made up his mind when he told Na-ri that it was up to her if she wanted to carry on in the second half or not. He didn’t actually wait for her to answer—all her silences have been so telling, and in that moment, the betrayal is actually written clearly on her face.

It’s the same thing that Jung-won accuses him of, and that’s what’s exactly the same between what happened with Na-ri now and what happened with his brother. While what he did might have been kindest—changing out Na-ri quietly, or exposing the corruption in his brother’s company himself before someone else did it in an overblown way—in both instances, Hwa-shin acts on his own for someone else’s good, and makes decisions about them as if they don’t have the right or ability to decide for themselves. And it’s an insidious thing, this undermining and overbearing. And accompanied by a caress or an “I love you,” it becomes a total mindscrew. I wouldn’t say in this instance that it’s abusive, but it’s an abusive pattern, this iteration of “daddy knows best,” which makes it a dangerous trait to go unchecked.

So when you rewatch these scenes, suddenly her silences stand out; that’s not gratitude on her face, it’s something much more complicated. And that placid front masks how much Na-ri struggles to reconcile herself to something that seems on the surface like it was right but feels subtly wrong, and even I never guessed it until she said it. And that is what marriage or popping the question doesn’t solve.

However, the other thing I realized from Na-ri’s confession, that I’d almost forgotten from last week, is that her relationship with Hwa-shin, though now official and mutual, is still something she doesn’t have any security in, and maybe marrying her really is the only way that he can prove to her (or she can prove to herself?) that he won’t change his mind, that he wants to be with her for keeps. After all, it was the sense of constancy and reliability with Jung-won that kept her at his side so long, so in that respect, a serious proposal from Hwa-shin might be as important to her as the fight was to him.

I feel like that stairwell fight, and the blowout they have at the end and Hwa-shin’s reaction to it, reveals his relationship priorities in a really interesting way. Where hers right now are trust and security, his are closeness and communication. I think to him, a frank and open fight is the indicator that they’re alright, or at least they will be. Actually, looking back on his character, with the exception of his cancer, this frankness tends to play out for better or for worse in the way he interacts with everyone around him. He’s blunt and precise and doesn’t mince his words. I think he suffers from not receiving the same candor in return, and maybe he knows it, since he craves it from Na-ri.

This is why the other highlight of this episode is his fight with Jung-won. The boys’ friendship isn’t perfect and probably never was, despite early appearances, but it never needed to come to a head before. It adds an interesting depth to Jung-won to know that he reserved judgement on his friend in the past, and I wonder whether his criticism now is a response to the moment, or if it’s been latent in his mind for years. Even if Hwa-shin believed in his own reasons, Jung-won’s accusations of causing pain and suffering hold as much truth, and that truth clings to him. Like Jung-won said, pain is still pain, however good your intentions.

But the first half really did a great job of showing us how natural our couple can be when they work. They have an easy camaraderie that is as warm as it is prickly, in the way of best friends, and that’s always been their best dynamic. But maybe sometimes, everything has to be broken, before it can be remade again.

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Two things:

1) I loved Hwa-shin fighting about why they weren't fighting -- fighting over important things (and this was super important) is really necessary and HEALTHY in a relationship of any kind because they have to talk about these things, and I LOVED that he said that them not fighting (not talking about it) made him feel distant from her. What I like about HS/NR is that they are honest with each other and talk about things with each other, so I was really glad to see that. And on a related note, that they actually had the fight/NR told him why what he did wasn't cool with her and what she felt. I hope they continue having fights about significant things, although I guess I should hope that they don't have MORE problems to keep overcoming. But I GUESS LONG STORY SHORT is that I like that they are a work in progress, that they still have things to work through, but they want to work through it together.

2) Will I eeeeverrrr get over JJS' SMILE?

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WAIT, THIRD THING.

3) Bum is the CUTEST kid ever.

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I feel the same Mady. Since I join Db, discussions on relationship sound more meaningful to me. :-)

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I agree! beom is adorable! <3

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and beom is like... why are you kissing me ahjusshi?
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again? sigh keep me out of your lover's tiff.

that aside i dunno if messy is correct to describe my feelings towards the show, which i caught on late... like... omg... it seems to demand that we feel the jealousy through our screens!

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Haha, too bad he only has himself to blame for matchmaking them! :P

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Ha ha Chandler.
It certainly was all Boem’s fault!

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"2) Will I eeeeverrrr get over JJS’ SMILE?"

!!!! Never. :'(

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Never, indeed...
Especially his unrestrained one.

And now I'm searching for every crumb, that is all his past and upcoming movies and dramas, and become unbelievably excited for his every appearance. Sigh... What do I do when this drama ended?

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RIGHT?!?! I even ended up re-watching King 2 Hearts because of him. I don't even love that drama, but I fast-forwarded every scene that didn't have him and only stopped at his scenes just to see his face for a few more seconds. It's ridiculous, but I'm in too deep. :(

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+1
Me too, I even search for his past interviews..

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Have u watched Oh My Ghostess? :)

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I love the lovey dovey scene in the beginning. The chemistry is really great between JJS and GHJ. And JJS, can't help falling in love over and over again with you.

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I agree with what you said, Saya, but I'm still annoyed at Nari for not answering when Hwashin asked her if she could do the second part. He asked her more than once. If she had said "yes, let me try, I can do it," then she could be mad if he still wanted to pull her, but if she's not going to say anything and then be mad about him not believing in her... that just feels passive-aggressive to me.

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Yes. Na Ri was like the deer in the headlight. She was paralyzed by fear, even shaking in the restroom. She was clearly unable to make any decision. Hwa Shin had the cool head to decide what to do. He's got tons of experience, he knew her job was at stake and maybe even more. What about Assistant Director and even Mr. Oh? This was a major crisis to be decided within seconds and not about Na Ri's pride. He saved her professional life and quite likely some more jobs.

Afterwards during every meeting with Na Ri his eyes were only fixed on her, he desperately tried to read her and connect with her, because he felt distant. I loved it! To me there is nothing to misunderstand, he didn't misbehave, he did all the right stuff for his inexperienced love.
(And both moms should really know the business. Their harsh critisicm of HS was uncalled for. As professionals they should be able to judge the situation correctly. Their bad mouthing of Hwa Shin was only needed to still nurture the fairy tale of HS being the bad guy and nothing more. A big minus in my book.)

The whole situation made me think of ep 14, when they shared the ice cream and he confessed his one-sided crush asking her not to be swayed. He said, that she should never make decisions using a question mark, but always use an exclamation mark. She was a walking question mark here and he was forced to make the exclamation mark.

This ep confirmed to me that Hwa Shin is as upright, honest and straight forward, as I always thought he would be. I loved every second of it and I am very much looking forward to see Na Ri's reaction to this wonderful proposal coming from deep down inside him, because he loves her and wants her for good just like she is.

JJS you're going to be the death of me. You are amazing!

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PD Oh is useless. Remember the double weathercaster incident? Dude just let the two girls fight it out on their own instead of doing his job properly. It's no wonder nobody respects him and just walk in and out of his office or talk over him. ?

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Haha! This though. He's lucky I love him so much despite all that. Whenever it's a critical moment for decisions to be made, he just decides to go with the flow. Like, what??? How did you get this job again, lol?

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lol this is why HS orders him out of his own office and SS and JY basically pay him no mind when they're in there. He's hilarious but yeah he has no authority over people at all.
How is he a PD??

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Do you know of the Peter Principle? Someone gets promoted till he reaches the point of utter uselessness, his level of personal incompetance. Don't we all know bosses like him? ;)

That said, I love Oh and his actor Kwon Hae Hyo. He might be one of the possibly two real 'oppas' for me in this business. I always like him in his roles and he got a certain sexiness most Beanies will still be too young to see, but this ahjumma feels it.

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@Newbie I did not that but that's a hilarious term.

Haha yeah he's got that certain charm in him that makes him attractive. He always says 'family' but I don't think he's married in this drama right? Because I lowkey ship him with Sun Sook only because they're so snarky together it'd be a joy to watch!

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Haha, so I'm not the only one who thinks they'd make quite a pair. I like her co-anchor from England, but I really hope they don't go there with them. PD Oh and Sun-sook would be fabulous together.

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@Quinze - I think they established, that his family lives abroad like so many Korean families do for the education of the children. His cake wish was also for them living together again. He is unfortunately taken.

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@Newbie

Ahhh, you're totally right. I remember now. Aw, so the poor guy really just wanted some company when he asked people to that movie. Hopefully, he'll get his wish and get to live with his family again by the end.

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Thanks Newbie!

@Chandler, yeah now I'm just sad that no one hung out with him that day. He just wanted a movie buddy!

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I feel like PD Oh gets so little credit for being such a hilarious, well-acted side character though - he gets trampled over by literally EVERYONE and it's so ironic that he's the director and is still such a pushover, but his long-suffering sighs and resigned grimaces are always so on-point. I love it. :') It's definitely to the actor's credit that I look forward to all the office scenes with the side characters, instead of fast-forwarding them.

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Hah yeah I absolutely love this actor. His eye rolls and huff of exasperation are the best.

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I know. I really really adore it, tbh. That's why I don't even care that he isn't the most effective boss. I live for this poor guy's reaction to the crazy.

The actor is so perfect for this role. It's getting to the point where I'm not sure I even separate role and actor anymore. He'll always be PD Oh to me, lol.

Random, but I felt kinda sad when no one ended up going to that movie with him a few episodes ago. He seemed like he really wanted some companionship.

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‘Poor guys reaction to the crazy’ @Chandler
‘Long suffering sighs’ @es.. ??
Oh, PD Oh. You bring so much joy into our lives!

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Newbie, I got almost similar impressions with yours. Regarding the moms' reaction, to me, they were feeling NR's pain. As if they were in her shoes. My impression, oh they loved her and wanted to speak for her.

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They felt her pain, that's true. Maybe they connected on a different level I overlooked? They are both successful women in a tough business field, they are smart and they of all people know how they had to fight to get where they are (esp. in Korea's patriarchal society). Also mom #2 saw how Na Ri practiced all through the night. They are rooting for her.

Still, this show should really stop making Hwa Shin the evil guy by influencing the audience with platitudes like this.

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That's it, Newbie..
That the moms are part of his family who once got hurt by his doing.

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‘He desperately tried to read her and connect with her because he felt distant’ ❤❤ Poor Hwashin thought for a minute that she was going to leave him and run away again.(Similar to ep 15)

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At first, I also was annoyed at Na-ri for not answering him because it forced Hwa-shin to make the decision himself and bear the brunt of others' criticism. But then I realized that Hwa-shin isn't only her boyfriend, but also her senior at work, and she always felt pressured (from her own self) to show her best at him.

Nari's expression in the bathroom showed that she maybe wanted to say "No, I'm not ready, please give me a way out," but I guess she didn't want to show her inexperienced side to Hwa-shin. It's almost like she always felt she fall short of his expectation even though Hwa-shin wouldn't judge her for those few broadcasting mistakes. And I think Hwa-shin could see that and made that decision for her because he knew she couldn't said it out loud.

And when she got angry at him for not believing her, well, rather than passive-aggressive, it feels more like she knew Hwa-shin did what best for that situation, but her heart still wanted the ideal resolution from world full of rainbow and puppies, which is for him to believe in her fully. She knew it didn't work that way in the real world, and that's why initially she didn't want to argue with him because to her, that sounds petty.

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"... it feels more like she knew Hwa-shin did what best for that situation, but her heart still wanted the ideal resolution from world full of rainbow and puppies, ...
...that’s why initially she didn’t want to argue with him because to her, that sounds petty."

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I agree with you. In work, the most difficult part is to make decisions. Nari is facing two different position of HwaShin at the moment in front of bathroom. One is her sunbae at work, one is her boyfriend. She wants to look good for both. That's why she is hesitant to answer. I think what HS did was a good decision given he did not receive a confirm answer from Nari. You need to make a decision in your work, even though it breaks your heart. But I just see one thing from Saya recap, that HS tends to make decision by himself and not discussing beforehand. I think this is a flaw in every relationship either work or romance. But for me, he already tried to discuss or basically ask Nari about her confidence. No answer was given. Well, I like it that the show is really consistent in showing HwaShin character, HS is best for his job, very professional. Being blunt is very important for reporter I guess, so not sugar coating events. This show is really made for JJS I think. He nails everytime and really wondering now, how can I move on to other other drama after watching this such very meaty drama!! So much energy inside and in every scenes. No wonder Saya said that it is torturous to write!!

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Agree... and the time was ticking, decision has to be made...fast. Na Ri's countenance didn't show a shred of confidence on her own ability to pull it off for the second part of the broadcast, and the way she didn't answer HS didn't help her case, either. Plus the risk factor for her losing her job is quite high, were I put in HS's shoes, I would probably have taken the exact same decision.

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Agreed. I watched this episode twice and I am even more convinced in the second viewing that Hawshin made absolutely the right call. It is not only NR's job at stake here but that of Director Oh who already got the sacking call from the network boss if one more mistake were made.

I would make the same decision too because this is the kind of situations happened in REAL life based on my own experiene. No romanticism but true.

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Nari was wrong. They were on a tight schedule and Hwa-shin needed immediate decisions if they were gonna save the broadcast and her job. Why did she just stare at him? I understand she was feeling overwhelmed and maybe sad and needed comfort or maybe it's all happening too fast for her, but that's precisely why she isn't ready for this job yet.

Hwa-shin was wrong. Why did he have to ask her to make a decision in the first place instead of just trusting her and using the break to encourage her so they can go to the 2nd part of the broadcast?

Nari was wrong. Hwa-shin just comes from years of experience and being really good at his job to objectively make quick observations regarding her readiness. Is a person wrong for mistrusting you if you're obviously not competent enough in the first place?

Hwa-shin was wrong. Maybe he should've trusted Nari to the end and took that small chance that he was wrong in his assessment of her current state and that she can pull through. Besides, if she tried to the end and failed, she would've learned a lesson and he will still be there to cheer and coach her.

Basically, this show turns me nuts and has me arguing with myself with no clear winner.

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"Basically, this show turns me nuts and has me arguing with myself with no clear winner."

urggghhh this. (also @blnmom above!). For every point I manage to make, there are twelve more I can't. I agree with everyone, about everything, in opposites! Sob.

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Recapping is so difficult. *hugs* We're all thankful for you ladies!

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It's okay Saya, such is life. There's no real right or wrong in a situation where feelings are involved. This is why absolute logic or absolute feeling are not practical ways of living. You have to have the ability to bend to your situation.

It's got to be so difficult to recap a drama where you literally could spend a week breaking down the nuances of every scene. Thanks for your hard work!

In this case, I totally understand why you would think that he'd made a decision already but I also think and agree with the others that had NR answered resolutely that she can handle it, he would have let her. His worry was over this broadcast costing her the morning news. But NR wasn't aware of that and being put on the spot when she was already on shaky ground meant she froze especially in front of the one person whose opinion matters to her most. I think in this case it was two people in two different mindsets.

lol @mary yeah we're all weirdos right there with you arguing with ourselves about who's right/wrong.

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Although I didn't agree with certain parts of your recap I still love it, because we got tons of great and thoughtful comments out of it. I posted my first respond before I went to sleep and over night all those wonderful analyses popped up which are a delight to read. Thank you for laying the ground.

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But I also think there's that added wrinkle of Nari's job being on the line. Had she made another mistake, which was probable given the prior events and her general inexperience, it wouldn't just have been a learning opportunity and then all is well - she'd have lost her dream job entirely. I feel like the lack of a confident yes at that moment was telling enough - if she didn't have the confidence at that crucial moment, she wouldn't have been able to overcome her mistakes in the first half.

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I agree about Nari herself being undecided! And I'm gonna add a non-point here (LOL as if we needed to be more confused!)

It's not exactly because Nari's job is on the line, but because it's Nari whose job is on the line that Hwa-shin acted.

If Hye-won was the one making mistakes and was at risk of being fired, I don't think Hwa-shin would pull her aside and give her a choice to give up for now rather than risk losing the job she dreamed of. It's because Hwa-shin cared enough about Nari and her dreams that he's evaluating her abilities (harshly, to some people's eyes) and risking hurting her himself than letting her fail spectacularly.

We can argue that there was a 1% chance that Nari would succeed, and in a rainbows-and-puppies kind of world, Hwa-shin would cheer her up and encourage her to try for that 1%. But Hwa-shin chose to go the other way of showing his love, which is to pragmatically fixate on the 99% chance that Nari would fail and have her whole work/career so far be reset. Does it make him right or wrong? I don't know.

*brain short-circuits trying to decide*

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And at the same time, you are like, but is this even Hwa-shin's call to make? I mean, he's not her boss.

And then you are like, of course he can make that call - he's a super-experienced sunbae with her best interests closer to heart than anyone else!

...and you never get off this merry-go-round of argument and counter-argument. SOB.

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Hahahaha. Don't cry, poor Saya. I'm wondering now if the writer has these arguments with herself, or if she just puts this stuff out there and has an evil smile while stroking her cat as she imagines us suffering out here.

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Don't cry, Saya, you did a good job. I can practically hear me arguing with myself for almost every scene in this episode. I can't imagined how it felt when you have to recapped this. Kudos to the team behind this drama, really.

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Saya, thank you for recapping and putting your thoughts out there! Even though I disagree with some of your points but you are insightful and I always check this site to see your opinion since this drama is interestingly layered and intriguing. I particularly like the comparison that you did between what's important for NR vs what's important for HS. Spot on.

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Okay but NR and HS need to become drift compatible, yes?

Lol in one sense they're partners for the coverage so in addition to being her senior, I think that is cause for his decision. He wouldn't make that call for her morning news because he's not her co-anchor.

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I too, have been talking myself around circles.

Was this the right call to make?
Probably, Na-ri wasn't adjusting well to the electoral broadcast environment which required her to go off script and adapt. Plus the political parties and the station president had already complained and her job and PD Oh's job were on the line.

Was Hwa-shin making the call as her boyfriend or sunbae?
If Hwa-shin was asking if she wanted to be switched out on a professional capacity then he's muddling the lines by holding her face etc How can Na-ri respond in an objective manner when it's someone who has an emotional pull over her who's asking, not to mention she already has trust issues with Hwa-shin.

Can Hwa-shin make a call as her boyfriend?
Shouldn't it be Na-ri's decision whether she wants to continue or not and risk her career? What right does he have to interfere and judge that this would be best for Na-ri long term because she'll learn to overcome her fears? But lots of relationships work with one party leading and making decisions on what will be best for their partners, thing don't have to be 50-50. Is this what Na-ri wants though?

And on and on we go. I don't think I have the emotional intelligence to assess what's going on in this show. *brain short-circuits too*

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Pretty much. The part where the President himself was threatening her job security vs any there superior in that station bears importance because NR doesn't have a foothold on this job yet nor is she anything but a nameless face. A screw up here could have ended her movement in the field.

HS cares about her dream to be an anchor. He wants to see her succeed. He wouldn't have risked his own job for her if he didn't. But to be a mentor to your GF means picking that hard choice for her and risking her anger if it means saving her job for another day. It's not that he doesn't trust her inability but that he knows well her enough to see that she wasn't over her mistakes and could potentially mess up again.

Had NR herself recovered from her mistakes and come out of that bathroom resolute, she might have able to finish part two without a problem. But HS was right, taking her out meant she'll look back at her mistakes and learn from them but having that part 1 experience means she knows what it's like and can see better what she needs to do.

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So, so true!

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I just love the whole discussion here LOL...

Lots of ♥♥♥ for you Saya, thanks for recapping this show for us.

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Thank you. Your last sentence sums up my whole JI experience. Am I laughing, or am I crying? Am I annoyed or amused? Swooning or repulsed? 80% of the time I can't even tell what I'm feeling, or supposed to be feeling. Very odd, but intriguing. The other 20% of the time, I'm just enjoying the music. :-)

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*And on that cue..*

No No.. No No!!!

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I am happy when they are happy, panic when they are panic, sad when they are sad, etc.. Lol.
:-) :-)

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Exactly! That's what makes this show so special imo. Much like in real life you cannot unravel relationships to the bone or deconstruct fights or mistakes to the last variable. This show follows no formula and I love it so much :D

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This is why it's so damn hard to reconcile our opinions about it! Everyone is going to find different things to place more importance on than others in their attempts to break-down the impossible: human relationships and all the messiness that comes with it. But it just can't be done. Not in this drama and certainly not in real life.

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‘Attempts to break down the impossible’.. Ha ha

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"Much like in real life you cannot unravel relationships to the bone or deconstruct fights or mistakes to the last variable. "

My case..

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Omg you put my incoherent thoughts into meaningful sentences Mary thank you thank you thank you! This is why I'm so in love with this show!

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When it comes to make a reconciliation, people firstly point that everyone has contributed his/her own faults before making peace.
Lol, it suits me, Mary..

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which is very often how a lot of decisions are like in real life, which is WHY i loved this episode in particular so much. i still can't take a side LOL, because both characters were entitled to their actions. :'(

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I agree with you, mary. You cannot rule out anybody's actions as singularly right or wrong in this show. If we really think about it, we can always find a reason for everybody doing what they did and feel justified in their actions. That is why I believe this show has more realistic writing than dramas that employs tropes.

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This episode let me feel exactly how NaRi must have been feeling for the last 20: Love, hate, love, hate, love, hate HwaShin!

I was so ticked at HwaShin when he pulled NaRi from the 2nd half, I was kicking at the screen yelling, "Just trust her, you a__hole!"
Then to watch his tormented face during the next day made me love him all over again. Sigh. I feel you, NaRi.

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Bravo Mary!

What a wonderful drama with so many nuances to drive us nuts. Here's another case of pride vs honesty - and no one is winner.

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well, I think I must be an alien or someone really bad because I think hwashin didn't make a decision for na-ri about the broadcast. even if he already had an opinion in mind, if she had said "no, I can do it and I want to be in the second part", I don't think he would oppose to it. he did what their director didn't have the guts to do. and man how did it hurt me when everyone was using this against him.

to be really honest, how the drama tries to use hwashin's work ethics (?) as his flaw (with his brother's case for example), considering the other character lines, always bothers me. for me, the fact that he puts his work before his personal live only works for him and not against. you can say that you wouldn't act the same way, but he is not wrong. his brother did something wrong, na-ri did screw up. it was a bit annoying to see our mother duo talking about him while they're the ones fighting during a live broadcast.

sorry, but I slow-clapped when hwashin said "whether this will hurt her or end up helping her.. you're not the judge of that". JW keeps following her and meddling her relationship when she already broke up with him. that whole sequence of him following her... and this "I won't send her to you". man, I've some news for you....

I really feel like an alien commenting about this drama here because I usually have a different view and feeling than the majority here. it has been an interesting thing to see and I'm sad that it's coming to an end to be honest.

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just wanted to add... I completely get her struggle between saying or not her complaints to hwashin in the first place. I think it's the first time she's facing this situation (being in a relationship and afraid of how the other person would receive her complaints - breaking up with her) and I'm positive that she won't hold back anymore. I think both of them has every chance of growing up together, being better people for themselves and for each other. because, at the end of the day, they're best when they're being honest.

I think we all saw that proposal coming up. I was expecting him to drop this in the heat of the moment any time during the whole episode. I don't exactly like how the show keeps putting marriage as if it's na-ri goal or something (it is always brought up with her), so I prefer to think it's more of a symbolic thing for hwashin and her, as a sign that both of them are on the same page, trying to have a serious relationship while navigating through the things they need to get better at, balancing their professional lives and all.

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I find my self nodding with most of what you re saying.

" .....(being in a relationship and afraid of how the other person would receive her complaints – breaking up with her)"

To me, NR really understood HS's temper and she didn't like it if a breakup came. She should have treasure him very much. I catched that she determined to be a lot more professional competent match for him, as well as she was in pain looking at HS pairing with HW.

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I am with you, Hawshin have taking his work too seriously but it is not a bad thing, and with have been watching going through hell and never once made excuses for himself. He never once took the easy way and admits his mistakes. When JW found out about his crush, HS stood there and accepted all the insults. Same case with Nari. After all the conflicts and the love triangle not once he said one bad word about JW where that can't be said about JW. We watched HS behave badly countless of times but never once he was bad.

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yeah... HS has flaws as all the other characters. I would say that he's more noisy and impulsive so his actions are more in your face just like his mistakes. but I feel that sometimes other characters receive the "but you need to understand what he/she went through and where he/she is coming from" treatment while this never applies to him?

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If the complex should be made into the simpler ( I am with you Rui).

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We're on that spaceship together. HW understands that to NR, being an announcer is not just some trivial pursuit, but her career and her sincerest desire. It was gratifying to see a male lead like HW advocate for his lady's agency to his former love rival.

And I agree, it feels as though HW's work ethic and competence is seen as a tragic flaw. To NR, HW's competence is one of his biggest draws. I'll take the man who knows what he's doing and is confident in that knowledge, every time.

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"I’ll take the man who knows what he’s doing and is confident in that knowledge, every time"

oh yes! and being a journalist myself, I must admit that hwashin does things to me when he's working lol

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Lol, a journalist is here. :-)

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I strongly believe that HS did the right thing. She couldn't affirmatively tell him that she could do the broadcast. He asked her several times. I'm a musician and I wouldn't let anyone back onstage if they couldn't affirmatively say that they could do it -- no matter what the situation. No matter if they were my SO or not. Remember, he asked her several times. I disagree she didn't have time to respond. If she was caught up in feeling betrayed by that, then that is another reason she should not go on air. She has to be able to speak up and do well under pressure. My God, that's the very thing she was having problems with in the 1st half.

He would not be doing her any favors by letting her on air when he didn't feel she was ready. Competition in this kind of industry can be unimaginable. I don't know how many times I've had to explain this -- very painfully -- to my family/friends about my own work. Maybe its unfair that he was worried he couldn't do it -- but she proved him right by not being able to stand up for herself and reply. He DID show his love by making that decision. She lives to fight another day. The broadcast went very well after.

If he had held her back after she had argued that she could -- well THEN he's an asshole. But that didn't happen.

It makes complete sense to me that she was still angry after. I mean, she's a human she's not a robot. I'd be angry and upset, even though I agree with the decision. I think I would eventually understand, or I would understand AND still be angry, but things are messy like that when you work together... But to me, it was very very clear he did the right thing.

I think with his brother it was a different situation. I still feel like we aren't given a lot of details about how it really went down... I'm more on the brother's side with what we know and think HS was pretty much a jerk... But who knows.

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I 100% understand na-ri being angry at him because we're all humans. but I get annoyed when we're talking about our moms because 1. they don't know what really happened 2. they're also professionals in the same field. they know how these things work, they know that their heads were on the line if the broadcast was a fail and they also know that she screwed up. it seems like they were just waiting for a moment to drag him when he did nothing wrong. and the fact that both of these ladies are the ones that keep bringing personal affairs to the work place.... ugh. lol

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Exactly this. If the argument is that him even merely suggesting the switch-out caused her to feel betrayed enough by HIS perception of her abilities to let it affect her own trust in herself and freeze up, than that just means she already wasn't in the mind-set she needed to be in to get back out there.

He did put the ball in her court. Even if he made it clear that swapping her was the safest choice, if she had confidently stood her ground, then he would have definitely conceded and supported her. But, because she couldn't do that, he made a judgement call that I honestly don't think she would have allowed herself to make. It is so hard to give up on yourself, no matter what the circumstances, and sometimes you need someone to tell you it's okay to do so.

Still, I love that the characters are addressing the undercurrent of hurt that the decision caused because these are issues they are going to have to learn to face as they work together.

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You are not alone, my fellow alien. I was practically whooping at HS's response to JW too, especially how he clarified that being fair WAS his way of showing his love, and he'd thought that his friend at least had understood him. It reminded me of that episode where Na Ri had exasperatedly asked JW how HS knows so much about him, whereas JW knows so little about HS. Love triangle aside, I've always felt these instances where it felt like their friendship was a little unbalanced, HS putting in just that smidge more understanding, and this episode all but cemented that feeling.

Getting back to understanding where HS's coming from though, I feel like this may be because my mum's side of the family has a mentality that's very much like Hwa Shin's brutal honesty. Don't volunteer someone if you think they're not actually up to doing it. Be honest if someone's done a bad job, even if they're a loved one. Never compromise your morals or judgement just because you care about someone.

For example, ever since I was a kid, I loved to write. I wrote and wrote and wrote. And I was good at poems, but stories? Not so much. From ages 10-12, my mum would tell me, every single time, without holding back, without softening the blow: "This is bad. This part is confusing. This doesn't make sense. This dialogue is immature. You're not very good at this."

Never once did that make me get mad at her for "not believing in me". My writing was sucky. My mum did love me, but she was still going to be honest about my abilities. I never once resented her or begrudged her for it- rather the opposite, I valued her honest feedback more than anything because it helped me know how good I was doing, and aim for improvement (compared to my dad, who proclaimed that anything I wrote was better than Shakespeare, nonstop, ages 10-now).

And now, my writing is good. My mum recognises it, and praises me for it, clapping her hands in delight: "This was funny! This was well worded. The flow was good here. That made me tear up!" And her praise feels 1000x better than my dad's, because I know she is telling me all of that genuinely, without the slightest bit of exaggeration to make me feel good since I'm her loved one and she "believes" in me.

Maybe it would've been 'nicer' for HS to just believe in NR and send her out anyway, or get someone else to do his brother's report. But good isn't always nice.

And lying or faking confidence or turning a blind eye so that you don't hurt someone's feelings may seem like the 'kinder' thing to do on the surface, but deep down, I believe it's demeaning and patronising to everyone involved.

A lie is still a lie at the end of the day, and while HS has many faults, dishonesty has never been one of them. Nor, frankly, do I think it's something he has to apologise for.

But hey, that's just how we aliens roll. XD

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Perfect analysis! I also feel that she'd much rather be criticized by hwashin than somebody else. (Just like you'd prefer your mom pointing out your mistakes instead of the public or someone you don't know well enough because that would be embarrassing)

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Agreed. I think it felt safer for her if Hwa-shin is the one that criticize her, because he wouldn't belittle her for it and even mentor her for her mistakes so that she wouldn't make the same one.

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I think this is true to an extent, especially because of how gentle and passionate he's being in his guidance. That said, I do think their new relationship status makes it a bit harder sometimes. It's just not as easy to hear criticisms from the guy you like (his "that's boring" this ep). Luckily, she has so much respect for his anchoring abilities that, more often than not, it's fairly easy for her to take whatever criticism comes her way. Still, I think it's good she's finding a mentor in Bang Ja-young, who can help her a lot in a professional capacity without making her feel vulnerable.

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Thank you! And also, that's a very good point about embarrassment. To be honest, I think it might actually be tougher for NR to hear HS's criticism right now, since they're in the very early stages of their relationship (+ all her baggage from previous misadventures), so she's going to want him to see only her very best qualities. At this moment in time, every criticism from him, no matter how kindly put, is going to sting all the more.

But that brings me to something I actually wanted to bring up earlier, which fits into what you said about criticism being best when coming from HS: Hwa Shin is actually a very kind critic towards Na Ri.

I mean, while I am all for blunt honesty and harsh opinions from my loved ones, I get very sensitive if I feel like we've taken a turn from constructive criticism to mocking insults. It's one thing to say what you think- it's another thing to do it while humiliating someone.

And see, that's what I felt was the most swoony thing about Hwa Shin this whole episode. He tells Na Ri where she's lacking. He tells her how to improve. He is frank and honest and direct. But he isn't mean spirited in the slightest.

He doesn't go 'I've heard obituaries that sounded funner than this' or 'We would have better luck sending an illiterate 4 year old up there' or 'And you've been practicing for how long now?'

(And I must note that even lines similar to the above can be acceptable depending on the tone the person is using when they say it, i.e laughing with someone versus laughing at them.)

But my point is, that while Hwa Shin says what he has to say this episode, he does it with surgical speed and precision. He says just enough to get his important points across, and nothing more than that. He doesn't draw it out, he doesn't revel in her failings, he doesn't make a mockery out of it. He's quick and clean and fair, and it is so painfully obvious that he's doing his best to leave as much of NR's pride intact as possible.

Which is why I feel cannot help but feel all the more strongly that Na Ri's point of view is in the wrong here.

I get that she's hurt and sensitive, especially considering all the baggage between them, but if she would only take one step away from her insecurity and hurt feelings, then she could see that HS is doing his utmost to build her up, not tear her down. She could see his way of loving her for what it really is, rather than through these cracked, tinted glasses of defensiveness she's got jammed on.

And sure, some may argue she's right to be upset that he doesn't totally "believe" in her. But going back to that scene where HS kept pressing for an answer that wouldn't come, I have to ask:

How is Hwa Shin expected to believe in Na Ri when she can't even say that she believes in herself?

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Love love love... :-) :-) :-)
Thank you Fresh. You said it very clearly the healthiest way to take critiques and to be critics.
It helps me taking critiques for sure.
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Your justification of Hwa-shin's perspective is valid, and I definitely agree with it, but I would also argue that that doesn't take away Na-ri's right to be angry and hurt. Knowing acutely that you weren't good enough in the workplace for something you desperately want to do well in, beside the person you desperately want to impress, is a bitter pill to swallow. She's only human, and it's natural to want your loved ones to take your side, no matter how irrational it may be. Giving into that irrationality is another story, but we saw in this episode that Na-ri DID try to rise above it: she admitted that being angry would be petty, she constantly put up a happy front for Hwa-shin and refused to fight with him, AND she actively sought out a solution in Ja-young to improving herself as an announcer, which goes to show that she DOES know that she's lacking. It was only until Hwa-shin deliberately pushed her buttons at the end of the episode that she exploded. Which is definitely healthier than letting the bitterness and disappointment fester inside herself.

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Actually, my favorite characteristic about HS is how he teaches. Not just Na Ri but also Hye Won. He coaches in this way that's neither condescending nor overbearingly coddling. Your analysis is so spot on!

Had this been with her anchoring with anyone else, she might have seen exactly what you're saying but her dream is to co-anchor with Hwa Shin. I think she pressured herself with wanting to show him she can be up to his standard to the point where she lost herself in her mistakes.

Hah I swoon too whenever HS looks straight into her eyes and levels with her. I think that might be my kink lol, capable men being good at what they do without getting a big head about it.

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‘I’ve heard obituaries that sounded funnier than this’ ha ha.. Hearing that line for the first time. :D

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"And lying or faking confidence or turning a blind eye so that you don’t hurt someone’s feelings may seem like the ‘kinder’ thing to do on the surface, but deep down, I believe it’s demeaning and patronising to everyone involved." YEEEEEES! <3

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Haha, thank you! On an unrelated note though, WE'VE GOT SO MANY FELLOW ALIENS. I'm super grateful you wrote that first comment, because tbh I wouldn't have mentioned my opinion either if you hadn't and wouldn't have seen so many people chiming in to agree with you! It's awesome to find other people who feel the same way on certain subjects <3

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and it was amazing to see that I'm not alone lol

I didn't comment as much as I wanted before because I honestly felt that the comment section was a bit tense with the HS X JW battle. mainly after that locker room kiss. while the drama goes a bit over the top to give a more dramatic flavor, I always saw all the characters as human beings with good and bad traits. nobody was THE jerk or THE gentleman.

and to be really honest here... the drama never gave JW a chance imo. even after NR supposedly got over her crush (I don't think she ever did), the show always pointed how comfortable she was around HS, even with their past. at the same time, I always felt that she couldn't totally let go when she was with JW. at first, I thought it was the casting: gong hyojin and jo jung seok have a bizarre chemistry and, even if the drama wanted to put both men in the same level, I would always tend to HS because of them. but then I started to think about the scenes/writing and now I would say that NR/HS were always end game. lol

I think the biggest difference in my understanding of this drama from most of the comments I read around here is about JW. I just don't think he's that nice and gentleman at all. I don't think he's bad or evil, but he has just as many flaws as HS. and it's not a couple of cheesy lines and a dress that will cover that.

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Haha, I really do think 'aliens' is the perfect way to describe die-hard JI fans like us!

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It is very beautiful, Fish n' Chips.
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Your mum reminds me of my Prof from writing class. She is exactly like that. Too, being hated and loved for her constructive feedback.

"It reminded me of that episode where Na Ri had exasperatedly asked JW how HS knows so much about him, whereas JW knows so little about HS. Love triangle aside, I’ve always felt these instances where it felt like their friendship was a little unbalanced, HS putting in just that smidge more understanding, and this episode all but cemented that feeling."

I perceive that JW is overconfident in judging. We saw that his judgments were not accurate at many times. I even think that it contributed to his unwillingness to let go after break up.

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Haha, I feel like my mum would love to meet your professor X'D they would get along swimingly.

About JW, you know, I think you're onto something! He's definitely been in deep denial on how NR feels about him ever since the break up, and while at first I thought it was just desperation --there were times before where I'd truly believed he totally knew NR's heart but refused to admit it-- what you said about him holding onto his previous judgements and preconceptions makes a lot more sense.

Which also kinda makes me feel a little sad for JW, because he's holding onto these preconceptions of HW and NR so hard ("He only likes you because I did!" "You really need me!" "You'd do it all over again for your precious job!") that he's going to end up missing out on the true feelings and personalities of the people he claims are so very important to his life, and who, despite hurting him with this whole triangle mess, do truly care about him.

Ngl tho, I'm still kind of miffed at JW both because of his behaviour in the last few eps and because I just still feel like there is a huge power imbalance in his friendship with HS.

I mean, if NR had chosen JW over HS, you just know that HS wouldn't pull this "it won't last" or "I'm not sending her to you" BS. (Especially when you consider how much and how long HS had suffered trying NOT to act on his feelings because of his friendship with JW!)

Like, is it so much to ask that JW at least try to preserve his friendship with HS too, instead of turning into Salty McSaltypants and dropping bitter comments left and right over HS "stealing" NR?? Come on dude.

The thing that hurts me the most is when they were having the stand off this ep, there was a moment when I genuinely felt like HS was more hurt by his friend not understanding his behaviour than he was defensive in front of "the other guy in the love triangle". It made me want to give the poor guy a hug, like 'there, there. I'm your friend.'

I mean, yeah, JW definitely got the short end of the stick in this love triangle, and I will attest that he was the biggest victim of NR's flippy floppy heart, but it doesn't change the fact that lately I feel like HS's got the short end of the stick in this friendship ://

Like show, who is this salty, mansplaining jackass? Where is the adorably concerned yet awkward JW after he found out his best-friend/love-rival had cancer?? Bring him back, please!!

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while I think JW always showed some signs of being a bit possessive over na-ri and with his friendship with HS not being that perfect even before her, I agree that how he's acting now is a bit weird... it could be the drama trying to show what jealousy can do to someone (considering the show's title), but I have the feeling that, now that we're fully focused on the main couple, they're dropping the ball with JW as a character.

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Everthing you said about JW!

Please show, let him get over his jealousy and bring back the bromance. Although I almost fear, that their friendship will not be able to completely recover.
Hwa Shin realized some things during their encounter and I doubt he will get over the hurt in the future. A nagging feeling could stay with him.
What JW said about him purposely wounding other people hit the bull's eye of HS conflicts with the people surrounding and not understanding him and he had thought, that JW is the one person who gets him.
So sad, that it had to come to this.

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JW's actions post-breakup have been a big fat NO. I'm sure we all agree that he needs to let go.

On the other hand, I don't think his maddening jealous behaviour is all that weird. In fact, I'd say it's been the intention of his character all along.

JW is HERA. The wife of Zeus, goddess of marriage, and pretty notorious for being jealous of all of her husband's affairs. Man, I love it when shows/films include these allusions!

Here we have JW who is all about marriage. He's portrayed as ideal marriage material and his main desire is to marry Na Ri (sometimes without taking her feelings into consideration, I might add). He's Na Ri's first boyfriend and then when HS throughs a spanner into the works, JW gets cheated on, JW gets crazy jealous. Plus, I remember we got a taste of JW's jealous nature earlier in the show when he first found out that HS liked NR. At that point, I thought he was really not acting like boyfriend material.

So yeah. I expect this of JW's character. Even though it's painful to watch. Not to mention unjustified. He is in no position to accuse HS of swapping out NR.

Sorry if this comment is better somewhere else. I got a little lost in the threads :P

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@Ty: wuuuuuuut you just blew my mind. I thought that Hera stuff was all nifty PPL but THIS...!!!

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@Ty - Wow. I love your idea about 'Hera' and all the implications. The creative team must have done a hell of a job to convince them investing.

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;) likely like you ve said.

Love love love this too..

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@Fresh N Chips
:-) likely the have a good chat, hehe..

Thank you for deconstructing.

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@Ty
Is Beom = cupid?
Thanks for sharing..

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@Amelyia: YES I second Beom as cupid! Not only instrumental in bringing HS and NR together with those arrows, I mean drawings, but a darn cutie!

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@Amelyia

Indeed.

Cupid = Any little boy living near a Gong Hyo-jin character that is bribed/befriended by the hero & helps assist their romance. (See: Greatest Love, Master's Sun, & now this)

She doesn't just get the best male leads, she always gets the most adorable boys imaginable to matchmake for her, lol.

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Yes to all of this.

The fundamental flaw in JW is that while he is a nice guy and all, he's also deeply naive. Part of it may have to do with his upbringing. JW grew up rich, so in a sense, it is a little bit of a rich boy mentality.
This probably has a little to do with why he knows less about HS than HS knows about him. He's been a friend in his own way but he's never paid close attention to his BFF's likes/dislikes. He likely hasn't had many people in his life that gave him the level truth about anything he might be doing wrong. He works in his own company as his own boss, whether he's good at it or not, he doesn't have many people telling him whether he's done something right or wrong.

When you've worked your ass off to get to the top, you hear a lot of criticism getting there. HS is one of those. He's more self-made and therefore he's paid his dues and heard his share of criticism. It's how you get to where he is now. Hearing it and learning from it. HS knows that and realizes that you can't succeed without hearing what you need to do right in order to get better. He doesn't sugarcoat it because it's not necessary. But he doesn't add any malice to his words because that's not necessary either.

JW knows support in the form of cheerleading. Tell your SO you did a good job even if she loses. Tell her it's okay, she'll do better next time. While that's important and really sweet, it's not really helpful. HS' way while harsher on the outside is far more useful in the long run because it protects his people from outward harm. It's a preemptive strike.

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This is awesome, Quinze..
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Thank you so much for mentioning the JW incident. Man, JW pissed me off in this episode. First of all, for him to say he gave NR to HS....wtf dude, she chose him. You didn't. Second of all, whether or not HS was right. Whether or not he made her cry, he doesn't get to interrupt a couple's fight with his unwanted opinion. Third, to liken this incident with his brother's? Are you his BFF at all? That was such a shitty low blow!

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This 'sending her to him' always irks me. It's the same when a guy saw a girl 'first', so she has to be his and not someone else's. Like she has no say in it.
Awful notion.

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@Newbie Yeah, he makes it about himself and HS leaving NR completely out of the equation. Which is such a turn-off. Even when you say it mistakenly in anger, it means at some point in your head you devalued her to the extent that you rationalize that it's okay that you've broken up because you gave her to your best friend.

@newgirl lol I did too. I was seriously like WTF JW? You've been canceled!

@Strawberry Heh yeah I feel like I live on this board making 20+ comments about how much I love people's analysis.

@Chandler do you know why they were taken out? I'd love to see a like/thumbs up button tbh.

I seriously enjoy reading the different interpretations on here. It's so much fun.

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I'd love to see the 'like buttons' come back, but I think the site just couldn't handle it eventually? I remember there being some announcement about it at the time, but I couldn't find it just now. I'm pretty sure they attempted to bring them back once, but they disappeared again not long after.

Lol, I used be so proud whenever I came back to a high number of likes. Oh, the things that make us happy...

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I know, right? I yelled, "She was never yours to send!"

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There are just so many great comments and insights this episode (not that the previous ones were lacking in any way), that I feel like nodding in agreement with each description. If only there's a 'Like' button, it will be easier, I feel like a broken record to keep repeating 'agree' at most comments LOL.

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I feel so lucky finding the show and this forum with great beanies.
(May be it is already obvious, lol)

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Aw, I remember DB used to have like buttons on comments for a few months back in 2014. It was fun while it lasted. Haha, definitely made it a lot easier to spread the love.

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Yes, reading these comments really helps me understand what is going on (instead of having these confusing underlying feelings, but not being able to interpret them!)

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I can get behind Hwa-shin's reason for swapping Na-ri out at that election broadcasting. He knew she was in a panic state after that first mistake and bound to make another mistake that will cost her that morning news spot. In a way, he did take care of her in his own way. But I'm pretty sure it's not easy to be Na-ri, to receive that kind of tough love and acknowledge the fact that she didn't have enough experience as an anchor when her boyfriend is already too perfect. Not to mention that she already has a 3 years one-sided crush history that put her in a disadvantageous position in their relationship (from her POV). That's why I was so proud of Hwa-shin when he tried to get Na-ri be angry at him. He knew that Na-ri still felt overshadowed by him, both in professional and personal life, and he need to take down the wall Na-ri has erected so that they can stand on the same ground. It's so telling when he finally seriously proposed to her after she yelled her hearts out.

And lastly, let's appreciate Beom's cute expression after Hwa-shin kissed his cheeks. That kid is too adorable...

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On a side note, I guffawed at Hwa-shin's two or three notes higher broadcasting tone after that failed stairs fight. Hye-won's startled look is just too hilarious. Especially considering the fact that he always says how important it is for an anchor to use the right tone to come across as reliable.

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Haha. I enjoyed it how amazing JJS delivered HS's frustation.

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Oooh my god RIGHT, I couldn't stop laughing in that scene. He was almost yelling at the camera. Gotta love Jo Jung-seok.

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Thank you for mentioning that! I was laughing during this scene but cant comprehend what was happening right away i was just confused and then saw the startled look from HW and PD OH, haha. Had to watch it again to realize what was happening. The usually flawless HW delivering news like he's the news bearer of old where they read from scrolls and shout on the streets. It just goes to show how much HS was bothered by that non-fight with Na-ri. I read several recaps about this episode but they never included that scene and it was soo funny!

For what its worth i agree with most opinions here, HS made the right but difficult call. He was agonized but he stood by it and i admire a person who does what is right and to hell with everybody else's opinion. The only one he cares to hear the opinion about it is Nari. The staircase confrontation was a wonderful wonderful scene.

How much do i love these two lead actors in this drama? Especially JJS. With just a look, a twist in his mouth, a twitch and he conveys these myriad of emotions and not go overboard. He's alternately funny, swoony, frustratingly bull headed and achingly heartbreaking. This is one of the best episodes for me. I just feel so bad for him when everybody was calling him names for doing what he did. And JW, you frustrate me. Writers, please salvage this bromance and the JW character. It was so promising in the beginning.

I'm half-afraid, half excited thinking if perhaps the show would go the way of the movie "Up Close and Personal"? Its this movie about broadcast journalism, Melanie as Pfiffer as an aspiring newscaster-started as weather girl; and Robert Redford as this veteran reporter turned news director who coached her to be a good on scene reporter and later a respected news anchor. I love the scenes where he would ask her questions via earpiece to prompt the way her reporting goes until later he doesn't have to. I love that movie but it was a tearjerker. im still heartbroken about it, sniff!

I just hope they go the same thread except a happy ending in the end. While waiting for the new episodes I had to play on repeat Oh My Ghost- my two favorites, JJS and food network in one. That black Chef uniform is my number one favorite look on him, next are those slim cut plain white button downs.

Btw, i think that proposal in the end is not because he wants to resolve Nari's hurt. I think he really means it, he knows it's what he wants even before the argument (remember he said -wife -when Dongil was quizzing him about the jealousy-anger issue Ep 19?) but he felt it more strongly at that moment when Nari finally lets out her feelings. His face- so relieved and happy when she finally did. when they can argue and argue properly, he know they will just be alright.

Sorry Im rambling like a madwoman here, Im running on 2 hours sleep but not tired enough to stop myself from posting this hehe.

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Love all you said Sam :-)
"Btw, i think that proposal in the end is not because he wants to resolve Nari’s hurt. I think he really means it, he knows it’s what he wants even before the argument (remember he said -wife -when Dongil was quizzing him about the jealousy-anger issue Ep 19?) but he felt it more strongly at that moment when Nari finally lets out her feelings. His face- so relieved and happy when she finally did. when they can argue and argue properly, he know they will just be alright."

Too, I don't doubt his intelligence picking the right moment, *admiring

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"The usually flawless HW delivering news like he’s the news bearer of old where they read from scrolls and shout on the streets."

- ROFL. You just gave me the best image. Thank you for that.

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@Sam,
You lost me at the black Chef uniform and slim cut plain white shirt part.
Yummmmm...

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Yay Boem~ah!! I was starting to miss him. Glad he made an appearance in this episode. (Even if it was for just a few seconds).
For wallpaper purposes I wish they did a super close up shot of wide eyed Beom covering both his cheeks after HwaShin kissed him.
~~Where is that director-nim who does only close-ups when you need him? *CoughMoonloversCough*

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Ahhhh, Beom covering his cheeks was quite possibly the most adorable thing I've ever seen. He looked so perplexed, ahaha.

Has anyone noticed how he's barely said a word for most of the show? I was watching an earlier episode and got so surprised when he spoke because I wasn't used to it, lol.

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Wow, deabak! I love it so much, weird right? Don't blame me for loving Hwa Shin so much maybe its because he's so honest and caring (in his own selfish ways) that i lurf every scene he's in. Then again, i'd love to see how his mother would take the news if she were to find out about him and Na Ri. Thanks uhm, SAYA. YOU'RE THE BEST

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But Hwa Shin is not selfish! Principled? Yes. Straight forward? Yes. Not easy? Yes. Honest till it hurts? Yes. But never selfish. Never!

The mom's realization wil be epic!

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Ooo.. I wonder how mum will find out!

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I found HW is a complex character. He's so flawed but his charm still shines.

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I can't decide what I love mot about this amazing drama, but in this episode what I loved most wad the continuing brilliance of this writer to turn k-drama tropes around and make them seem as stupid as they seem to us when we watch them. And WGAT's the stupidest drama trope (which, I think must be prevalent in Korean society) is NOT TELLING EACH OTHER THE TRUTH EVERY MOMENT. That's where all misunderstandings arise and where noble idiocy arises. If Pyo Na Ri could only stand up and tell the truth for herself, she would be miles ahead of where she is...!!!! This has happened to me in real life so much! Everything hinges upon clear communication.

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"NOT TELLING EACH OTHER THE TRUTH EVERY MOMENT."

Not even the viewers... :-)

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Na-ri doesn't deserve Jung-won. Really this show could have been great with just 16-18 eps

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Lol. Yes, yes. When she already broke up with him even sending him away (so she sure knows she doesn't deserve) but the one who make him still clingy sure is the cloud, writer nim.

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Why is this the most repeated line of this drama in every recap?
It's a non-issue.

She already told him no clearly and firmly. No means No. It doesn't mean yes, maybe, sometime in the future, perhaps.

He's not in the running anymore. So there is no issue of deserving anyone anymore.

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@ v - You must be watching a different show than I am. Mine is about the long journey to open yourself to the partner that completes you in every way possible. Intellectually and, they are damn lucky, even sexually.

Jung Won will find a girl willing to get bought no doubt about it. There are enough out there. This sounds more harsh than it is supposed to. But if he doesn't change his ways fast, it will come to that.
He grew up in a totally disfunctional family with horrible, horrible parents, that try to blackmail each other and him into the desired action. He has to break this circle or he will become profoundly unhappy later in life.
He deserves a woman that helps him to open his eyes and change, but, at least to me, there is no one in sight in this show, that could achieve it with him.
Keeping my fingers crossed that the show ends with him being single and the option to learn instead of ending with either Hye Won or his supposed fincee. Both choices would mean he's doomed and that I'd hate.

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Haha, the only acceptable girl for me in the drama would be the nurse that rams him with her cart. They were together in Operation Proposal so who knows? It could happen.

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That would be hilarious! My fingers are crossed!

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I didn't even consider that but damn, now I'd love to see it. She's so no nonsense she'd cut him down to size in no time.

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Right, I feel like the real issue of maturity is where this becomes a competition on whose fave is best. This story isn't so simple as that. This drama emphasizes everyone's flaws but gives everyone so many redeeming qualities that no one is good or bad.

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That's problem when a couple works together. He has to maintain his professionalism as well as to take care of NR. When she made mistakes, he was worried and understanding. If it had been another co anchor, he wouldn't have been so patient. He did give her a chance and asked if she could do part 2, she couldn't reply cos she wasn't certain. He had to make that choice for her and for the station. He knew that she will get the sack if she makes another mistakes. And he did tell her that if she made another her mistake, she would lose the morning news. Isn't best to stop now then take a risk?

IMO, this episode shows the depth of their love for each other. HS wanted her to get angry at him cos he's worried that she will bottle it up, grow more distant and run away. NR on the other hand, was afraid they will break up if they have a fight.

On the contrary, I love the ramen proposal because it has deep implications. Despite NR yelling and getting mad at him, he shows that he still wants to be with her despite all that. It implies that he'll always be there for her regardless. She doesn't have to be meek and submissive cos she can be herself when she's with HS. And that is how HS pushes her to grow.

NR on the other hand has humanized HS. He knows now that it's ok to be vulnerable, it's ok not to be perfect, it's ok to rely on someone.

They both bring out the best in each other. That is why they are so awesome together. I'm gonna miss this drama once it ends. I love everyone in the show.

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I agree with this post and I don't quite agree with Saya's analysis above. I don't think HS has made up his mind to switch NR when he talked to her because he has not called HW yet. My impression is that HS is very concerned about NR's prospective career and the morning anchor slot (she's still a contractor also at this time) and that's why he asked NR if he should switch her out. If NR disagree, she should have said "no" at that time but unfortunately she did not. Honestly, I think NR is still lacking experience also and she probably will make mistake again in part 2 given the pressures. So, it's better for NR to step down at this time and improve herself while waiting for another chance rather than being in the bad side of the president and lost the morning anchor position altogether. I also feel bad for JY and SS to accuse HS to be very selfish like that because HS always has a reason for his actions and he has proved it at least 2x that he prioritize love more than his career. #1 when he turned the chopper to pick up NR. He accepted the consequences of his action without any fight or any excuse even though he really wants to be the anchor to the 9pm slot. #2. Several episodes ago, HW said something about NR having a blind date before they go on air and HS was so upset and ready to leave his chair and lose his job at that time (I thought HS was crazy and not professional to do that at that time but that scene emphasizes the point that HS doesn't put his job as a priority over NR. He's the type of guy who would be crazy enough to leave his job for the girl he likes.)

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"(I thought HS was crazy and not professional to do that at that time but that scene emphasizes the point that HS doesn’t put his job as a priority over NR. He’s the type of guy who would be crazy enough to leave his job for the girl he likes.)"

Who does not get touched if he is that crazy in loving department????!!!!!!!??????

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Not only verbally. The facial expressions, the touching. He soothed her the way he did in ep. 14.

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"She doesn’t have to be meek and submissive cos she can be herself when she’s with HS. And that is how HS pushes her to grow."

I ll change my mind that she has potential become submissive, lol..

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It goes to show how people can judge without understanding, everyone blamed and criticised HW when HW was the only one really helping Nari, if noticed before their show that she was nervous and he tried to help, them the mistakes happened and he tried again, at last he had an idea and if she really had enough confidence she would have answered him. We watched later how all peoples harsh words killed him and that he never blamed her for the mistakes but the producers and hard it was for him still he try to fix a horrible situation without making excuses for himself. He is the hardest personalities to be understood if you live with him but as a viewer it should be different. I can't see why people can still say he is selfish where he never once take the easy way or gain anything. He fight for what he think is right till the end and not even for his job because he lost his chances to promotion twice. After his brother incident as I remember they mentioned once that he went to Thailand even after he was ahead. Same for Nari.

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"He is the hardest personalities to be understood if you live with him but as a viewer it should be different."

My personal observation that in real life and mostly workplace, people are quick to judge. Negativity are much easily fished. Only a few will judge in balance.

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I know I'm in the minority when I say this but I was getting frustrated with everyone passing Hwasin's work ethic as cold and heartless because it's simply not true. Nari wasn't calming down and only made herself more nervous and Hwasin took note of that, he asked her several times if she could do it and she didn't reply. I know trust is important but if you're making mistakes left and right in the middle of a broadcast then sorry to say but you gotta go. A job is a job and if you suck then you're cut, Nari is lucky that she still has her morning job even though it came at the price of being humiliated. And I'm so glad Hwasin stood his ground with Jungwon because he's right that Jungwon doesn't get to judge what's painful and what's not. It just doesn't make sense to me that you're going to put your 2 cents in a profession you're not even a part of. I'm so glad that Hwasin spurred Nari to argue because she was angry and she wouldn't let it out, their relationship has a long way to go but I'm glad that at least both are making an effort to meet half-way. I seriously felt for Hwasin this episode. I don't know about you, but being coddled and wrapped around in a rose covered castle is not something I want, tough love can sting a little but it goes a long way.

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Even with his brother's fiasco, I'm sure Hwasin didn't want to what he did but he did it anyway because it would be better in the long run. I mean what are you supposed to do in a situation like that? Follow your principles and screw your brother over or don't follow your principles and have your brother screwed over later in the future. Hwasin just gave him a wound from the whip and his brother still never hated him because the only person he ever called and said his last words to was Hwasin. As long as people understand where you're coming from then I don't see what Hwasin did was so wrong because both recipients see why he did what he had to do and they understand. It's their choice whether it's painful or not and nobody but them gets to make that decision which why I was so mad at Jungwon.

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i was wondering if anybody in that office is professional enough to recognize exactly what Hwashin did? If he did the other way around which is to let Na-ri continue, would they blame him for being complacent than his usual perfectionist self since she is his GF if she tanked? It is a rock and hard place for Hwashin and nobody sees that.

By the way I dont agree that Hwashin decided on his own not to let Nari continue- he can see the uncertainty in her eyes, that she could not let that first part mistakes go- so he acted fast saving the network and Nari's job. I keep remembering the quotation about people doing the easier wrong than the harder right. Hwashin for President! haha

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"i was wondering if anybody in that office is professional enough to recognize exactly what Hwashin did?"

There is PD Oh, who mumbled agree to HS's action, as soon as they saw HW step.
The moms' reaction concerned With their own personal experience, I guess. In flasback, both slapped and scolded him for what he did to his bro years ago for putting job above family.

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JJS and GHJ scenes feels so natural ♥ i really love watching them arguing, talking, teasing each other and of course being all lovey dovey ♥ the proposal at the end was so sweet JJS is nailing hwashin's role !

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How freakin’ wonderful was this episode? So much good stuff.

What I love about this drama is that, even though there are pacing issues with the side stories here and there, the show never forgets what makes its characters tick. They may be unpredictable in the bizarrest of ways sometimes (lol, arguably the most ‘predictable’ thing about them), but they all have an internal core of beliefs that they never stray too far away from & it helps the characters feel fully defined.

There is just such complexity and realism to the conflict this episode. It was a rough episode to watch, but it never lost the underlying sweetness, because both Na-ri & Hwa-shin, however misguided, took strides towards making their relationship work. They managed to do this in ways that clearly conveyed how much of a work-in-progress they are, but that, more than anything, made clear how much potential they have to grow & make it work.

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That heated, decisive moment between Nari and Hwa-shin between parts was particularly well-done precisely because it payed attention to all the difficult-to-reconcile factors & perspectives that led to its result: the heightened atmosphere & nervousness, the need to make the safest call as a professional, for both the broadcast, possibly even, her career, keeping the personal separate etc.

But even more complex was the silent interplay between the two in this critical moment. When Hwa-shin goes to her that second time, I do agree that he went there already thinking of the switch as the best option. But that is his honest, professional assessment of what he considered to be the safest solution to a high-stake situation. A solution he came to only after he saw that his words of encouragement were not calming her down.

To be honest, if I was in his position, I would have felt the same way after seeing how shaken she was. In a professional setting, you have to choose the best option that will cause the least amount of damage. So, while I think asking her to switch and thus conveying his belief that she wasn’t up to task caused her to become paralyzed even further by fear, I think that this only served to prove that she wasn’t ready.

Because, no matter how betrayed she felt, there was also a hell of a lot of fear (displayed clearly in her eyes) that held her back from confidently asserting herself. This is why I can’t really blame him much for taking the decision off her shoulders because I think she was caught between her fear to continue & her inability to give up on her own. And they didn’t have the time for her indecision. Simple as that.

Still, this has the unfortunate side-effect of creating an imbalance just like you mentioned. But that’s exactly why I ended up applauding the show: for presenting us with a situation that allows me to clearly understand all the reasons for their decisions, even if it doesn’t reflect on them or their newly-forged relationship flawlessly. I actually find it more admirable that he was willing to make a difficult decision, one with admittedly negative implications, even if it meant risking her anger. He isn’t afraid to keep it real with her or hurt her feelings where their profession is concerned precisely because he respects her as a professional and believes in her ability to develop her ability and skill.

What really matters, more than anything else, is how earnestly he sought to overcome the issues it brought up, even if he did it in his own brazen and blunt way. His desire for her to assert herself makes it clear just how much he respects her and wants her to feel comfortable in their relationship, both personally and professionally.

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Yes to everything.

I swear this episode was so incredibly perfect. It captured the nuances of a couple working together, loving each other, protecting each other, trying to show their best selves to each other while also trying to be real and honest with each other. It was so beautifully executed and JJS and GYJ are perfect in portraying that.

I just loved him trying to get her to be open with him and tell him how she feels. I loved that there wasn't an ounce of defensiveness in him about his action. He never questions whether it was the right decision. It was all about getting her to talk and express herself. Right or wrong, he needed her to say what she felt. And NR realizing she doesn't even know if she can be mad and trying to put on a pleasant face was such a realistic human reaction. Trying to hold it in because you're unsure if your relationship can survive a fight on day one of dating lol.

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Love love love Quinze

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Yes!

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Exactly! Really, such a rewarding episode that sets us up perfectly for the end (SOB). It gave us both obstacles to overcome and yet so many wonderful things to look forward to. I can't wait for tomorrow (which is why I'm probably still on this recap...)!

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Hah same. The fact that I have to actually scroll to page 2 to find this recap and continue discussing this show tells me I'm in way too deep. Waiting for subs is going to be torture tomorrow lol

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One thing is it helps deconstructing job. :-)

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You know…for all the times this drama highlights the immature actions of all three adults and what fools they made of themselves….there are such moments of brilliance in their characters that I absolutely love.

For example:

Hwa Shin making the swapping decision - totally sucks for Na Ri but I love how he was all about being professional. So many times, kdrama characters don't make tough professional decisions cause we're always dealing with chaebols or guys who do nothing but drive around in sports cars and wrist grab. I like how Hwa Shin was put in a rock and hard place and did what he thought was right.

The part where he wants to "fight it out". I thought that was SO mature for him and didn't expect him to think about that sort of thing.

Anyway, I'm adding Hwa Shin to my list of "absolutely awesome kdrama characters" because he's just written so well. You want to hate him sometimes, but love him other times.

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Good. So I'm not the only one who thinks Hwa-shin is one of the most fantastic characters I've come across lately, if only because he is so damn entertaining to watch. But, beyond that, he really is wonderfully written. With him, it really feels like his greatest strengths can often become his greatest weaknesses. He's his own worse enemy sometimes & that makes him so compelling to watch.

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+1 The character is interesting and layered

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"Anyway, I’m adding Hwa Shin to my list of “absolutely awesome kdrama characters” because he’s just written so well. You want to hate him sometimes, but love him other times."

I never would've thought I'd agree to a statement like this during the first few episodes of this drama, but god, now I'm really tempted to do the same thing. He's so layered, and definitely very flawed, and obviously has a tendency to be a huge asshole sometimes, but he has a strong ethical core that he refuses to stray from, and he cares deeply and unwaveringly for those he loves. It's funny, because his previous actions have given Na-ri a huge basket of insecurities about their relationship and his loyalty to her, but when you stop and actually think about his character and the difficult decisions he's made for those he loves, you realise that ironically, if he cares about you, he's actually the kind of person you'd be able to trust unfailingly to stand up for you and fight for you, no matter how difficult the situation is.

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Top 10 Kdrama leads! I seriously love this guy too.

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Team Hwa Shin on the decision to pull NaRi from broadcast. She was there to do a job and if she couldn't do it she needs to be replace. It wasn't like Hwa Shin was callous or insensitive to her feelings. He hesitated before making that choice. If it was anyone else, I doubt that he would have been that considerate. Also, if it was another anchor in Hwa Shin place, would NaRi be this upset or would she understand the logic behind the decision? This is the problem when personal and professional boundaries get blurred.

This episode was also the first time that Jung Wong really irritated me. Hwa Shin didn't took NaRi from Jung Wong. NaRi CHOSE Hwa Shin. She's grown ass woman who makes her own choices, not some object there to be taken. And frankly it's not his place to butt into Hwa Shin and NaRi relationship. If he wants to be there to support her that's great, but she's made her choice and he needs to respect that new boundary between them

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To clarify. To NaRi' credit, it seems like her upset with Hwa Shin decision was more about the issue of trust that she has with him rather than her being childish. This trust thing needs to be resolved if their relationship is to last although that last scene probably goes a fair way in convincing her that he does genuinely loves her.

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Earlier she said she had trust issues with HS because his ill treatment in the past which she couldnt forget. But she continued to love him that actually there was almost no space left for any other guys, including JW. The trust issues might be very deep that HS's risking his job was not convincing enough for love evidence. It was left unresolved. She went to HS because of jealousy.

Unfortunately, this time she feels it again. Uncertain of HS's love to her.

Related with our discussion today, it came to me that NR's primary source of insecurities, either in the past or present was not HS's behaviours, but something else.

For her, HS has been the only man ever from all men in the world. Past and present. She has valued him, for what ever he is, very high that to be with HS was only a dream ever. When your biggest ever dream comes true, who wouldn't get "unbelievable vibe"?

From this episode we learn, HS is 'a great man' and NR is 'a not very great woman' are facts that NR is fully aware in the past and present.
Then, how come she act easy with those facts if they are repeating themselves.

Meanwhile HS never clearly told her why he love her? He just shows her his huge love in every way. (NR once assumed because of winning from JW drive)

In conclusion, the confession and proposal happen to really hits her long term issues.

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I meant I agree with you that the trust issue (which I perceive as long term) is naturally resolved in the ending.
(I think I had poor writing in my upper post, :-))

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‘Who wouldnt get an unbelievable vibe when their biggest dream comes true..’
Something like that happens, I know I would be pinching myself every now and then to confirm if it was real or not!

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Her trust issue is understandable. She spend three years harbouring an unrequited love for Hwa-shin and now that he has reciprocated, she fears that her feelings for him is stronger than his for her. She even mentioned a few episodes back that she's not sure if he genuinely wants her or he just feels competitive with Jung-Won over her. It would make her feel vulnerable and afraid that if she's anything less than agreeable and pleasant, he could change his mind and end their relationship. This is definitely a sticking point for their relationship and although his desire to marry her indicates his sincere love, I hope that it would get address a little more.

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IKR, Jung-won's become so standard second male lead material that it's a little disappointing. He's spouting out all those stupid typical "I can't send her to you" and "I'M the one you need" lines, as if Na-ri isn't a fucking living breathing human being who's just as capable of making her own decisions as anyone else. You don't SEND humans to other humans like goddamn postage Jung-won, it doesn't work that way. LMFAO.

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Hehe postage.

Yeah he's supposed to be the guy we're taught in kdramas to swoon at but honestly, the real life version of him tend to be patronizing without even realizing it because they get so much positive feedback from men and women that they're soooo nice and kind, etc.

Seriously, he ticked me off in that scene.

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Excellent point! We, the audience, are conditioned to like a certain type of hero and on the surface Jung Won fulfills all aspects we are trained to look for in a male lead. This show is great in playing with our expectations.
At the same time we get sort of brainwashed into thinking, that Hwa Shin is oh so selfish, because several characters on screen repeat it like a mantra.
To see through this deception made this show such an entertaining watch.

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Oops... I realise them now, quinze, newbie..
I didn't look that deep before..

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Yup, I keep saying JW is a great guy but I'm also realizing he's not the only type of good guy. The rich handsome well-educated guy is the stuff of kdrama dreams but realistically, he's also the entitled jerk that would sooner lose his shit than to be told no.

Yup, if you're not listening closely to what HS says, you'd sooner assume that his yelling is abusive and he's a jerk. But if watch with a little more interest you realize that he's neither selfish nor a jerk.

@Amelyia, to be honest we all get duped into believing it lol

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Does anyone else think that, during the ramyun cooking scene, GHJ's "wae?" (Why?) was an adlib? It kinda caught JJS off-guard.

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ha ha.. I had to go and rewatch it. Hard to say though!
I love it when off-screen chemistry turns up on-screen as well. Maybe it was spontaneous.. I'd like to think so anyway :)

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1. Hwashins decision was right but Nari getting upset wasn't completely unjustified because we tend to have more expectations from our close ones..i.e. we want them to be on our side. It may not be rational but that's how feelings work.
2.Narialso understands his decision which is why she thinks that her feeling upset would reflect poorly. She couldn't get angry but she couldn't stop the hurt so the only way out was to pretend everything was fine and/or ignore him. Thank God Hwashin is perceptive. They really needed to have that talk. Had he ignored her now,it may have gone on to become a routine where she suppresses her feelings. By nipping that attitude in the bud(hopefully) he's also showing her that he will never sweep conflicts under the rug and that he will do whatever it takes to set things right wrt her.
3. Jung won..I know what you're going through and your emotions are a mess right now but please stop talking asap because you'll regret your words once you to come to your senses. Just..stop.
4.JoJungSeok..kyolhun haja narang (pretty please?)

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Love it :-)
Sounds we don't need more watching.

Oh no!!! I still want to watch whatever the show has to offer.

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I don't know if it's the writing but Jungwon's actions annoyed me so much in this episode. Like, just as Hwashin said, he can't even back off like a man when it's clear who Nari's heart belongs to. I mean... his claws are out and I am quite disappointed that he brought up the brother issue. That wasn't a good move on his side. I was jumping in joy when Hwashin said he didn't need others to understand him (maybe it's this side of his personality that is similar to me)

I get that he wants to protect Nari but when she's clearly nervous and shaken, Hwashin did the right choice. To be honest in real life, if you're not capable of doing your job right then you're out. It's harsh but people tend to look at the end product instead of the process.

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Just didnt find the proposal for marriage romantic. He was not listening to her , what she felt, just blinded by the fact that she was frank. Caught in his own world. I hope the next episode addresses this foremost , by nari herself. It wl be dumb n wrong if she accepts the marriage proposal at this stage.

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“If I get angry, we’ll fight, and if we fight, you’ll say ‘let’s break up.'”

Really, what better way is there to answer her outburst than with a proposal to show her just how damn serious he is. The fact that she can vent all her frustrations & show her most vulnerable side and he'll still be there, falling even more in love with her? That is bound to mean a lot to her.

I'll be honest, I'm not even sure I want her to accept yet, but it was heartfelt & genuine & lets her know his intentions aren't lighthearted.

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I actually like the proposal. I thought it was very genuine and heartfelt and I can see HS sincerity and love in his eyes. I also thought it was better than Dr. Crush's proposal in the bridge that has better rating than JI. Through the fight, I think HS realizes just how much he and NR loves each other. He came to realize also that he still love NR even when she's mad at him and that means that this relationship will work. These are the reasons that I think compel him to propose. However, it does seem a bit too quick given that they have not been in the official relationship for a long time. I dated my BF 8 years before we decided to get married and my best friend dated for 4 months only before getting married and we are both now happy in our marriage so who am I to judge. This marriage/proposal thing does seem to be very important for Nari so by HS proposing, it would give security to NR that he meant this for the long haul.

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Even arranged marriages also work.

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I also think so.. When you know that you wanna marry someone, you just know it. It can take only 1 month or more years. I feel in this case, HS knows that he wants to marry NR because he just feels it during NR complains. He feels so close with her and he doesn't want to let her go.

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I thought it was the perfect moment to say it actually. Because essentially that's what she was mad about. That she felt she couldn't yell or be mad at him because she was afraid they'd fight and break up. So to respond when she's angry and yelling by proposing, it's like saying even if we yell and fight, you're adorable and I love you and want to be with you.

He's already aware of what she might be mad about with the switching. He literally asked her to yell at him about it on the staircase and let out her frustrations.

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To me it was the best proposal in Kdrama so far, because it came from his heart. I don't like all those events that the men seem to feel pressured to create like e.g. balloons in a trunk. That's artifical, forced and truly unromantic.

But this, his words over their now symbolic ramyun was perfection. Also 'Get the water kimchi' was hilarious and showed, that he truly listened to everything she had to say.
Loved it, loved it, loved it!

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Or maybe it's just because I don't have a romantic bone in me, not the way 'romantic' is traditionally described in movies, novels and dramas, at least. LOL

The one comes from the heart is truly the best, and that tender look he gave her *swoon*

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It's definitely the best proposal I've come across! I'd much prefer a proposal to come right at the moment he feels that certainty than wait for some extravagant event.

The only other proposal I remember loving was in Marriage, Not Dating. That one was simple, sweet & spontaneous.

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Same here to be honest. It's far more of an honest and heartfelt proposal than all the traditional proposals with a billion candles and hearts and cake and whatever else they can think of.

Lol the quiet, the heart eyes, the casual setting, the call back to the earlier ramyun conversation in light of their first argument as a couple, it's just a beautiful moment.
@Strawberry, I think we just have nontraditional ideas of what's romantic lol. Like the kind that has more feeling less showmanship involved.

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We are probably considered alien @Quinze ? I personally find attentive little gestures in mundane everyday life to be much more romantic, never one to seek the grandeur. This proposal is just one the best I've ever seen, not only in K-dramas, but in any movies in general, it was so heart-felt, the certainty in HS's look, knowing that this was what he wanted, it gave you the feeling that the couple actually *will* grow old together, be it rain or shine, in sickness or in health, 'till death do they part (but knock on wood, I want HS alive, you hear, writer-nim? #savehwashin)

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@Strawberry, same here lol. I feel like when people remember the little things a person does it shows how attentive they are of their partner vs. the grand gestures that are more generic.

But even in dramas, how they deliver the mundane thing is also important because some shows will just over emphasize that one thing so it's not small anymore.

Yeah, the delivery here, JJS's expression and HS's certainty really solidified it for me. Plus it not only harkens to the ramyun conversation but also to NR's overall issue of not being able to trust HS's feelings. He essentially answers her insecurities by the most secure way possible and in a sense assures the viewer that his feelings aren't just superficial.

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Definitely agree - best proposal I've seen by far in any kdrama. Everything about it (especially Jo Jung-seok :D) hit all the right notes for me, and I'm usually incredibly apathetic towards marriage proposals in dramas as well.

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God, this drama is just so good with the emotional beats, it's crazy. That moment in the elevator, when it opens and Nari's slumping against it, clearly exhausted and despondent and hurt, and Hwashin just watches her silently, which shifts to the wounded look in his eyes when she finally realizes he's there and her happy mask slides back on, and she's suddenly bright and chirpy, and he's almost visibly desperate with how distant that makes him feel and with the realization that he can't get to her because she's pushing him away, is so incredibly well done. The fight about not fighting was beautiful of course, but it was truly phenomenal from the set-up onwards. I love that Nari feels like she has to be strong in front of him and not be whiny and petty and you can tell in that moment that he hates that she feels that. Just, wow.

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Ikr? Everyone in the drama said that Hwa-shin is a selfish and cold-hearted jerk, but he is so perceptive and sensitive with what Na-ri (and also other character) feels, it's just that his delivery is too direct and blunt for many people that thei misinterpreted it that way.

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I feel like people aren't really hearing/reading what he's saying at all when they say that. They just hear yelling and judge, judge, judge away.

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" I love that Nari feels like she has to be strong in front of him and not be whiny and petty and you can tell in that moment that he hates that she feels that."

To me, because of love, she changed her style thinking HS would like it.

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That elevator scene was SO on-point omg. The closing elevator doors was such a nice visual symbolic touch too. :( And it felt so real and just really got me right where it hurt. Aaaaah I loved it.

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I never knew something so cute and adorable can make me cry. Not just a few sniffles but a good, full cry for 30 minutes!! And all because of that sleeves scene. They were so happy and in love, I just can't. Arrgh. ♪(/ω\*)
I want to say something more intelligent about this episode but nope, my brain has gone all mushy.

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I love the fact that Hwa-shin feels comfortable enough with Na-ri even from their early stage of relationship to do something cute, adorable, and a bit whiny. Sooo different from what people usually saw from him.

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Also just!!!! Jo Jung-seok's pout!!!!!! Jo Jung-seok's puppy eyes!!!!!!! I died. Repeatedly. :'(

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And his "you won't be able to sleep tonight anyway" & "I'll make it fun for you"! I just can't. Those lines contain so much heat, but he managed to make them sound so adorable and sweet and playful.

And then later in his room, that exclamation he made after calling her cute over and over!!! Why does he do these things to me?!

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I was grinning like a fool during the whole exchange in your first sentence. The way he was holding onto her shirt sleeves really add to that scene. So cute and suggestively sexy. Like I mentioned before, Hwa Shin got swagger. And that whole sticky note exchange!! I melted. It has been a while since I find a drama relationship so cute.

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Hah seriously, that was hot and cute at the same time. I was hot and bothered. Hwa shin in love is amazing. And the growling afterwards too. Seriously I'm in love with you too HS!

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This show allows his lead to have and show a very obvious sexual interest. He is passionate and, dare I say it, highly likely very skilled. He is a grown-up man and he is allowed to express his physical desire.
He was desperate, overwhelmed and in flames when he asked her to sleep with him twice. It seems he was so confident about his ability between the sheets, that he even tried to win her for himself using it back in the house.

Now, when she and the sex are finally within his reach, he takes a step back and gives her space. It's up to her, but he still shows, that he wants her so much.
Love him!

And please show, give us a warm and heartfelt night like you did in Oh My Venus. A tiny little more daring maybe. We are a grown-up audience I swear!

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YES, writer-nim. Cross my heart! ?✌

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I believe Hwashin was deliberately trying to agitate Nari so she could let out all her frustrations of him. So when she was complaining about him not believing in her capacity, Hwashin was bowing his head (as he sure knows she's right) and was half-smiling (coz finally she's talking). He was finally successful in knowing how she truly feels which he already knew somehow. He was actually afraid of her silence much more than her anger. When he proposed, he even asked for the kimchi she was offering earlier when he was setting her up for her meltdown. He was listening to her all along. He didn't have to answer her rants. He already knew what he did and was only waiting for Nari to confirm that. He didn't want a fight. On the contrary, he wanted Nari to release all her anger if that was the way she could relieve the pain she harbored inside. He was only there to listen. And when she finally said she didn't trust that he truthfully loves her, the proposal became a natural reaction from Hwashin. He finally understood her. He realized how much she loves him and to that point, she still didn't trust that he loves her. All these point out to her not feeling secure. His proposal didn't seem forced. Hwashin felt warmth in his heart seeing the woman he loves furious yet still so lovely. He really does love her. I thought that proposal was genuine, romantic and lovely. JJS is superb. His acting makes this scene a hundred times more beautiful to watch.

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Yup, he was definitely trying to get a rise out of her. I love it.

Also I can tell this is a response to #20 and what a perfect response it is. Completely agree.

That simple point about the kimchi perfectly demonstrates how closely he listens.

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My take exactly. He tried so many ways to get her to lash out but she didn't. Cos he was rather disgruntled outside the mart with Beom. He tried the silent method, confrontation method and the cheesy method but they al didn't work. So he tried this tactic which would be bound to get a rise out of her. He really understands her so. How awesome is that?

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YES YES YEEEEES TO EVERYTHING. He was definitely trying to deliberately provoke her. Jo Jung-seok has always been amazing, but omFG he was FANTASTIC in that proposal scene, and everything leading up to it.

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It seems that the true nature of NR is she is never completely relieved until she pours it outttt. Lol..

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What more can I say - I loved this episode. I loved Hwa-shin, I desperately rooted for Na-ri, and I LOVELOVEOMGILOVEHIMSOMUCH Jo Jung-seok. I mean, let's just talk about Hwa-shin constantly pushing Na-ri to fight with him this episode - how amazing is that?! If there was anything that somewhat erased all the asshole things Hwa-shin did during the first few episodes, it was this: pushing Na-ri to get angry at him for what he did, trying desperately to break her passivity and aloofness, and actively letting her know that a) he cared, b) he would STILL care even after she got angry at him, and most importantly, c) that it was okay to be angry at him and fight with him.

A marriage proposal in a drama has never ever ever moved me to be quite honest, until I heard Jo Jung-seok say those two words here. His expression, his eyes, his everything - it really elevated the scene to something else. I don't know how much I want Na-ri to actually ACCEPT the proposal right now, but the timing of that proposal and the meaning behind it was what I loved about it. AAAAHH akdjfhas I'm incoherent with love for this couple and this drama.

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Also, it's credit to the writing that I was so invested in Na-ri's career success. I was so nervous before the live broadcast scene, and was so disappointed when she made mistakes because I was rooting so hard for her to prove everyone wrong, but I'm also glad that the writer let her fail (this time!), because after all, realistically, she's still inexperienced. Too many dramas focus so much on the relationship endgame or on external difficulties that I lose interest the moment the two leads get together, but in here, I love that even though our two leads are FINALLY together, it's not framed as the end goal: they still need to keep working on their relationship, and also on themselves, and because of that, I'm still invested in the story.

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Yesss I love this point! It was so hard to watch her fail (and actually I had to skip parts of it because I couldn't take the embarrassment I felt) because I want her to succeed so much.

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I could feel the buildup to her failure within the first few minutes of the episode. The tension it caused me was so great I had to keep pausing to recover my composure. Such great writing and acting.

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In a relationship, there is never one side who is truly right, or truly wrong. Jealousy Incarnate does one hell of a job depicting this with all the ups and downs, the good parts and the hurt parts, and eventually, hopefully, the parts that makes a relationship really worth it. Am so loving this show :*

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Everyone in this comment section pretty much has conveyed about how I love this show. But, I just wanna repeat what's obvious: JJS is loveee! I know he was amazing when he stole the show in King2Hearts (I dislike this show despite the good reviews and raves, not my kind of drama). He was amazing in Oh My Ghostess! (though I often found myself fangirling over PBY's endearing antics more than him). But, he really shines in this show.

When Hyewon said to NR, she's a better match with HS than NR because she is better in her job, I think she also misunderstood HS action replacing NR with her.
She might think what HS did was because he prioritizes the broadcast above all. And being his best partner in job means she's in the better place than NR since work = HS 1'st priority.
What she didn't get was, HS did that because he care about how NR's job in the line and he didn't want to risk that.
So, I found NR's words about HW never tasted HS ramen were actually spot on. It might look like a weak and unconfident comeback from NR. But, that's the point. NR is still his girlfriend and HW need to get over it.

Love how all the supporting characters also shine in their own way.
The scene in previous episodes when the 2 moms, PD OH, Announcer Uhm and HS in the elevator arguing about who will fix the lightbulb, and the scene when they give surprise to SungSook were adorable. They treated HS like the rude maknae that they couldn't help but love.

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You are a great writer, Saya!

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I ❤ Lee kija-nim in ❤. As much as I loved watching him struggle with his painful one-sided crush.

Affectionate, tender, supportive - everything that we hoped he would be and more. ?
That lovey-dovey scene of tugging NaRi’s sleeves and begging her not to go in but instead stay with him.. ??
Nari, girl, for future reference, when Jo Jung Suk asks you to go with him, assuring that he will make it fun for you, no hesitating. You drop whatever you are doing and follow! ??

And to add a note on all the awesomeness that is Jo Jung Suk - Though he may not have a huge fan base as many other traditionally good looking actors, I reckon he is one of the best actors out there. Hwashin is what he is because of JJS. No other actor could present to us the delicious complexity of Hwashin the way he did.

And on a side note, my adoration for JJS inspired me to watch his sweetheart Gummy on a variety show. She seemed like a genuine and lovely person. And from her reactions to JJS’s name being mentioned, it looks like they are one happy couple, so much in love. Seeing how hard it is in real life for many of us to find people who we connect with on such deep levels, I am so glad that they found each other. #Relationshipgoals

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JJS the best actor ever :-)

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I feel frustrated with HS's constant need to fix other people's problems without their consent. In this case, I think he was right in that it was his job on the line, too, but it's a rather unpleasant piece of a larger pattern with him.

On the flip side, you see his deep love and care for the people in his life, way more than JW. HS is willing to take the hits...JW believes in appeasing at all costs. Telling someone that they are great is momentarily comforting...helping someone become great is life changing. And HS has taken more time and care in knowing the people in his life. It's been obvious for a while now that JW goes through the motions of being a good guy without really investing, and everyone around him, even HS to an extent, protects him from really having to make hard choices. HS, on the other hand, really knows the people in his life and has been making hard choices the whole time. He's brash and immature while going about it, and he's maybe not the better man, but he's the friend I'd want in my corner every time.

HS is clearly feeling misunderstood and abandoned by the people in his life who are supposed to care about him...he's obviously terrified when Nari won't fight, and relieved when she finally is honest about her anger. His proposal at the moment that she unleashes her fury speaks to this. I think he knew not only that Nari was upset, but also why. He wasn't the least bit surprised by anything she said, even though to someone paying less attention, some of what she said could have been shocking. But he was paying attention. And even though she hasn't said it, I think he finally knows now that she loves him, and to him, love means being honest.

Nari has a right to be angry...not because he did anything wrong, but because anyone who was in her shoes would be...it's natural. HS seems to understand this, to his credit. She also has a right not to trust him, though it's seeming more and more obvious that his love for her is not merely a fly by night fancy.

My take on all of this? I think HS needs to check himself when it comes to his whit knight syndrome. I think JW needs to evaluate what it means to be gracious in defeat and support his friend, and also to invest more in the people he loves, not simply by doing stuff for them. And I'm interested to see Nari continue to learn her own heart and how to appropriately act on it. Good drama!

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GOD What do I do when this drama ended? i blame Jo Jung Suk and his talent for making me so darn attached to him! i searched his past dramas and ended up watching The king 2 hearts but WTF! i'm more heartbroken now!

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Ugh, I feel you! Only 4 more episodes left. Now, I can't even focus properly on watching other dramas because what's in my mind now is I want more JJS!

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lol I marathoned like 7-8 episodes of K2H...couldn't finish it because I'm still scarred from the heartbreak but it fed JJS cravings a little after last week's episodes.

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@ Anisa
@gabobobobo
@Quinze
all of you should watch korea hedwig with JJS in youtube but don't be homophobic please, have fun watching! :)

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Me too! HwaShin is so complex but enjoyable to watch because of Jo Jung Suk!!

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Ha ha.. Anisa. I feel your ‘wtf I’m more heartbroken now’ pain. For me King2hearts was over (and never-to-be-mentioned-again) in the episode Eun Shi-kyung died.

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I loved everything about that proposal. It was so sincere and candid and I loved that it happened in the very ordinary context of couple's feud while they're sitting around in Nar-ri's home getting ready to eat ramyeon. It is so in character that Hwa-shin would turn around a helicopter to get Na-ri to a job interview in time and yet propose to her in the same breathe as he's asking her to pass the kimchi.

Whether they should get married is a different story, but on it's own I really enjoyed the proposal. I watched it several times throughout last week.

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It is so in character that Hwa-shin would turn around a helicopter to get Na-ri to a job interview in time and yet propose to her in the same breath as he’s asking her to pass the kimchi.

ha ha, right? So Hwashin-ish. When he can't contain his feelings, he acts so spontaneously on them.

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Yesss, he is always spontaneous...

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yeah the proposal was so sweet but actually I rewatched the rooftop dance several times throughout last week!i cant take my eyes off HS's cuteness! :)

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Thank you so much, Saya..

It's really really refreshing to read different point of views. Comparing my watching experience and yours, either pros or cons, has enriched my inner self. Thanks to you. Thus, I can't help being very much excited that I dropped comments everywhere.

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The ratings for this episode - In the Chef vs Sous Chef war, if you get what I mean ha ha. I feel... conflicted . I LOVE Seo In Guk and I am so happy he is getting all the recognition he deserves. He is outstanding in rom-coms and I admit to being too weak to resist him when he acts all cute and earnest.

At the same time I feel bad for the JI team. Objectively speaking, (Pffft.. like objectivity was ever possible when discussing Kdramas) I feel JI is the more well-rounded drama. I follow both dramas and though I like them both, JI, in my opinion has a more interesting plot, varied characters with so many layers, charming supporting cast (love almost everybody), looots of rewatch potential, flawless background music, excellent OSTs, and last but not least Jo Jung Suk’s amazing portrayal of Hwashin’s character. I hope this current loss of no.1 position (or the ratings drop in general) doesn’t affect them in any way. Like the channel overlords asking the writer-nim to make last minute changes to the original script or something.

Arghh...I don’t like this conflicted feeling. I guess that's the price you pay for handing your heart out to too many oppas.

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I haven't started Shopping King Louis, is it worth watching live? I was planning to wait 'till it ends.

But since MDBC and JI, I kinda love live watching a drama while it airs, and definitely feel the void since MDBC ended about 2 weeks ago LOL. Haven't found another new drama crack beside JI, so am very open to recommendations ?

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Shopping King had an incredibly stupid beginning. I droppend it like a hot potato after I saw his butler chasing Louis/Louie through his park. But I read so much good stuff about it, that I might check it out later. Much later, because JI will be very hard to forget.
JJS rules!

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(I replied to your comment and then the page reloaded by itself, so not sure if initial comment is lost or will appear later as a double up..)

But yes, lol on the butler chase. It definitely was one of the eye-roll moments!

And YES, JI - Will we ever forget JI? Will we EVER truly move on from JI? :(

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Shopping king Louie is about two adorable naive puppies, it is cuite ,adorable and funny . don't expecte much from the story, you root for the leads to have happy ending

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Strawberry, My evaluation of the show may be slightly biased because of Gukkie. Not sure about achieving crack status - It’s basically a light and fluffy show to be enjoyed without thinking too much. I am enjoying it. Not obsessed, like I am with JI, but definitely enjoying largely thanks to Seo In Guk and Nam Ji Hyun’s antics. Nobody can beat In Guk when it comes to acting all cute and clueless. He has a knack for that. And NJH is doing very well for herself too.

If you are planning on starting the series, a heads up though - Like JI, SKL will also have a ‘getting through the first couple of episodes’ issue. (Maybe that’s a thing in drama land nowadays, you know, bring viewer expectations down to zero in episode 1 and then BAAMMM - ‘Wait, what?! When did my expression change from rolling eyes to goofy grins?’)
Also, while almost all the side characters in JI are likeable and well-fleshed out, in all honesty, I can’t say that about SKL. Oh, but there’s a hot cop though. And Louis's side kick will grow on you as well.

In summary, there are some lol moments, cute moments, Seo In Guk, the truck of doom, Seo In Guk, amnesia, …. did I mention Seo In Guk?
I guess I’m trying to say if you like SIG, then you must watch it. If you are neutral towards SIG, then you must watch it too coz he’ll win you over with his earnestness. (hey, I warned you I was a fangirl) :)

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Shopping King Louie is pretty good, IMHO. If I have to compare both show:

While I consider JI a wacky show, Louie is wackier in its own way. it's super unbelievably wacky, sometimes makes me cringe with its wackiness. Louie brings a bit of fantasy elements in the story (not supranatural or magical thingie, more like almost absurd setting/character's background).
Once I got past 3 episodes of crazy, I found it pretty good. It's lighthearted and warm show. It brings laughter here and there (mild laughter if compared with how JI makes me laugh like madman). SIG and NJH are adorable. Supporting actors and actresses' storyline and performance is more solid in JI, though.

In romance department, JI is more complicated, sexy, spicy, mature (or maybe immature, LOL). Louie gives a sweet, naive, earnest and pure-hearted first love vibes.

Both are enjoyable in its own way. I love JI more, though. Not because one show is better than another, merely a matter of personal preference.
Quoting Gong Hyo Jin in IOIL and JI, "It's exactly my style!"

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Ah, thank you @MyGirl2016 @Newbie @gabobobobo. I loved SIG in I Remember You and Master's Sun, but that's the only 2 dramas I ever watched him in. Still haven't finished Police Unit 38, I put it aside for later, found that the story required certain level of concentration, and I just need something light for the moment. JI fits the bill perfectly, it's meaty and layered, but still feels light to watch at the same time. I think I'll stick to my original plan and wait 'till Shopping King is finished.

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Ooo..Then you haven’t seen InGuk’s best works yet!
Strawberry, may I have the pleasure of introducing you to:
1. The awesomeness that is King of High School Savvy - From the same team (almost) of Oh My Ghost :- a funny, adorkable, heart warming noona romance that introduced me to all the divine goodness that Seo In Guk is.

2. Reply 1997 - SIG’s break out role, though the OTP is a bit too dysfunctional for my taste ? , you’ll be surprised of how good an actor In Guk is considering that this was his first lead role.

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I've heard good things about King of High School, I'll give it a go this weekend! Thanks @MyGirl2016

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I LOVE THIS SHOW!!! From the acting to the writing, every detail, every situation and every expression especially from JJS is GOLD.This is a show that I'm gonna rewatch time and again and I'm certain that the feels are gonna be the same every time.

I have so many fav moments this episode: Nari's desire and want to do well and Jayoung witnessing her hard at practice ( I hope we get a superwoman team with Nari as the mentee and Jayoung as the mentor), the dilemma and the hard choice HS faces as both a professional and as a bf, the fight about not fighting, little Beom and his cheeks lol, and finally the PROPOSAL! I swooned so hard at that!!! had to rewatch it multiple times...man, JJS and GHJ are such amazing actors that their feelings in that scene were so palpable. I felt like I was there with them!

Most importantly, what I absolutely love about this episode is the symbolism of ramyun and how its meaning becomes fully realized here. It started with the hidden ramyun cup which was rediscovered by Nari. Now its been cooked and shared between HS and Nari with promises of 1000 more to come. Finally, the proposal even happens while eating ramyun! I mean, how awesome is that?! Ramyun is really the love between HS and NR. To think about it, its such a simple dish yet it tops five star meals because one can never get tired of it. Especially ramyun shared with loved ones is a meal like no other. Kudos to the writers for this!! ❤

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Love your insight on the symbolism of ramyun in the series. ❤

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Yes, they have really taken it to another level with the ramyun symbolism this episode and it is freakin' awesome. They even leveled up from cup ramyun to packaged ramyun (enough for two!) when they got into a relationship. And when Hwa-shin cooked it, he went carefully through each step with her, taking note of her preferences and letting her take the lead. It really felt like them making ramyun together for the first time was just such a lovely symbol of them finally sharing a balanced, requitted relationship with each other.

The episode went on to prove that the relationship won't be quite as simple & easy as making ramyun together. But, at the end of the day, they always come back to what's really important: sharing the simplest of pleasures with each other, even when there are obstacles to overcome. This is why his 1000 ramyun proposal is so wonderful, because it conveys a constant promise to relish in the minuscule, everyday experiences that we often take for granted, unless, of course, they're with someone we love.

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Wow! Beautifully put, Chandler!

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Would you marry me? And bring the Water Kimchi.

<3

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Like like like your brain, Chandler..

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Like it, Nian..

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Jung Won continues to get on my last nerve. He had no right, no understanding, and was completely in the wrong in his little confrontation with Hwa Shin and bringing in the winds of his dead brother ;which the two incidents weren't even the same imho) was low. I been and continue to be tired for his refusal to remove himself from the narrative that is Na Ri/Hwa Shin.

I have always admired Hwa Shins work ethic and ability to separate (for the most part) work and family/love/his personal life. Just as I think he was on the right on reporting on his brother's misdeeds, I feel he was very much in the right in taking Na Ri out of part 2 of the broadcast.

First I can't even understand why Na Ri was ever given/chosen for the job. She's a green news anchor with 3 or 4 months tops experience of giving the morning news and was previously the weather girl. Who in their right mind thought she would any where be ready for something as challenging as live elections reporting. I can believe that with experimental reports like Hye Won, Geum, heck her morning co-anchor and a company full of other far more seasoned anchors; they chose her. As the practice session showed (which the season Hye Won and Hwa Shin aced) all of it is more than reading lines and pointing to the right area on a map. You got be quick minded, knowledges, engaging, and ready for anything. I mean it sucks that the CG mucked up but the crust of it was that Na Ri simply was experienced, quick on her feet, and just plain old ready for the job required of her.

As a profession and even as a boyfriend Hwa Shin made the right call (a call everyone knew had to happen but were too scared to do). Na Ri from the moment before she sat down looked nervous as heck and was already lacking in the confidence of "I got this." While siting and getting ready/passing notes; Na Ri already looked a deer in headlights. Then the mistakes further threw her game off and she just wasn't shaking it off. In the bathroom she did not st all look like someone who could take a breath, let it go, and go out to ace it. She looked ready to freeze live on air. Hwa Shin knowing what he knew tried to give her anatomy over her own fate. He tried to be of comfort "it's okay forget your mistakes, focus on part 2" and then repeatedly asked her if she could do it. Hwa Shin asked more than once if Na Ri could do it. It's a live broadcast we don't time for your deer in headlights. Can you do it? Can you go out there and kill it. And she froze...for a good 2 minutes she froze then she SHE shook her head no. Hwa Shin made the right call unnthem following that head shake, calling Hye Won and not only saving Na Ri and her career dreams but also the broadcast.

While I understand the hurt..,anger, resentment, the snide from the 2moms and Jung Won is not warranted or justified. This our jobs/work, it's not a love game. Girlfriend or whatever you needed to be pulled out so you were. Learn from it. Grown and do...

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I think it was mentioned that other announcers turned down the opportunity to do the electoral broadcast. According to HW, that broadcast is very difficult with a lot of numbers to be read. Even HY, who is already very experienced and also very good was nervous during the rehearsals.

For me, HW made a good judgment call by pulling NR out of the 2nd part of the broadcast. One could say the HW chose the "lesser of two evils" by seeing the bigger picture: braving NR's hurt but securing her morning news spot and saving the station's ratings.

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I just want to say that I am amazed at the speed people are commenting on this drama, especially since there are more than just a handful (observation based on the comments in the previous recaps) who seemed to not liking it very much. I refresh DB quite often for the recap of JI, one minute it wasn't there yet, a minute later it's on the page with already more than 100 comments.

Writer-nim certainly suceeds in creating quite a thought-provoking story ?

Now off reading...

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This episode was particularly fantastic so I think it brought out a lot of the lovers! I do think certain commenters mentioned being discouraged from joining discussion because of some of the more negative feedbacks on recent recaps. That said, I've never doubted that there are a lot of beanies who passionately love this show, especially now :)

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True, LOL. To be honest, I thought I have a bad taste with drama or something while reading negative comments in previous 2-3 episode recaps. So, I'm keeping my love to JI to myself.

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Right @ Strawberry? Those are the vibes I got too.

I think now that the unconventional/ confusing/ slump (take your pick!) period (ep 15-19) is over, and our OTP are finally together, people who may have dropped the show after ep 14/15 are back again to all the JI awesomeness!! Go Team JI!

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I think you're right @Chandler. I see quite a few new commenters this time around. Glad that more beanies who love the drama start to show up and join the discussion *winking at you @gabobobobo

@MyGirl2016 yours was/is always the voice of love for JI ♥ glad to have met you on these threads.

At first, I basically came to this drama because of GHJ, I always trust her choice in dramas, she has a knack for choosing the good ones IMO. And although I was quite struck by JJS in K2H, I found him to be just okay in OMG (or perhaps that was just because of the story), never expected that I would love him so much here. And the bonus point, I love, love, love the unconventional route the writer's taking with the story.

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Xixixi... I am managing to finish reading all comments before sleeping. But clearly, it is the most time and energy investing week, lol..
Thank you for all comments.

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@Strawberry lol yeah there were like 80 comments when I opened the recap. People are super fast.

Also yeah, I actually loved him in OMG too but the shows direction and my irritation with how badly they handled the possession story line left a bad taste in my mouth enough that I can't watch it start to finish.

@Chandler Truthfully I'm more of a lurker but if I see the vast majority of commenters going the opposite way to what I'm thinking I do tend to back away because you don't always want to be in the position of defending yourself.

Likewise I think when people criticize and nitpick too much it's discouraging for others to even want to counter that.

But this show has had intelligent viewers on both sides. Those that didn't see the show's merit seem to have wisely dropped it. And those like us that do are turning in our analysis of each episode by the pages.

@MyGirl2016 lol I thought I would have to drop it for a bit but turns out I only managed to skip ep 15 before I came crawling back.

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" but turns out I only managed to skip ep 15 before I came crawling back." :D :D
Blame it on the show!

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Yeah, it's definitely hard to feel enthusiastic about sharing your thoughts when the majority doesn't share them. Still, the few commenters who were passionate in their reasons for loving it kept me coming out of the woodwork.

Have you not seen episode 15 then? It really is worth-watching.

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lol not yet, I'm going to go back and rewatch tomorrow while I wait for subs.

Yup, there were enough happy folk loving this show that I was encouraged to prattle on about it...even now lol.

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For all his past cray cray jealous behaviour in the previous episodes, I have to say, HS totally came into his own in this episode.

In this episode, I saw a man who loved Nari dearly (and I'm referring to HS here, not JW). He had his eyes on Nari the whole time, trying to desperately search for her affirmation (though he puts it across that he wants them to fight). I guess to him, if they fight, it shows that she cares but if she just becomes indifferent, that scares him.

I think if we just looked at the situation at the surface, he does look harsh because he swooped her out for Part 2 without her agreeing. He basically made the decision for her. When he walked in on her in the toilet and saw how nervous and out of sorts she was, and later, as many have pointed out, he did ask her a few times if she could do it, and her silence was the giveaway that she herself was unsure.

If we go back to the past episodes, HS was the one who constantly reminded her to have confidence in herself, give her pep talks, encouraged her etc before a major broadcast. He has been consistent in his feedback, clear and direct without downplaying her capability or being mean. I believe in her heart, Nari knows this and that's why she struggled to not get angry at him. Like what others pointed out, she is human after all, and the struggle is real.

To me, if I were Nari, I'd appreciate HS swooping me out. He knew that her morning news slot was at stake. He knew how much the job meant to her and how much she worked and went through to get to this point. This is an election broadcast that people will forget in a week's time. It is a mistake that she can learn from. However, to lose her morning slot means she will never get to move on from this mistake to become a better newscaster. Because that chance would have been blown if she made one more mistake in Part 2. He had to be cruel to be kind.

HS made an executive decision, but it was a necessary decision that he weighed out in that short span of time. If anything, it speaks of his capability, professionalism, and the risk he was willing to take on their new fledging r/s to save Nari from losing her job.

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Tq saya

So JW is not in the love circuit anymore no wonder we see the ratings dipping

Oh well it is just a kdrama ! out of the blue JW character showing more flaws until we witness the couple get their happy ending or fatal end ?

Kudos to JW/ GKP ! for your outstanding acting, you gave your best shot but it is not fated for you to get married and although many commenters are not in your favor for me you have done well indeed.

So you will be alone again naturally.

Hoping Hyung - secretary CHA will appear again before the curtain call.
FIGHTING JW !

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wow jungwon appearance less than 10 minutes with several line able to bring so many debates. Congratulation.

I wish this is the last time i saw Jungwon in the HS-NR loop/circle. Writer, can you make he didnt come near at HS or NR at all?. I didnt see any purpose of him in the loop/circle anymore. What is the point?. Just make him move on, or just make he die because of accident run by truck amnesia or open new branch overseas whatever it is, as long as not in the HS-NR loop/circle.

Jungwon ahh, you have work hard.
Hope GKP can got new project movie/drama with 85% screen time appearance.

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Oh no ! JW is very kind and lovable person, rich in his oulook on life and considerate with people around him especially those close to him .

He work very hard running his business so hope he can help others with his experince to those who are in need . I can foresee that JW is going to be a redundant character soon withe last few episodes.

Well this is the 2nd lead role in kdramas have to accept the endgame.

There is gng to be some merry atmosphere with his uncle chef rak hope JW can cheer for his uncle.

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I love JW, like so much. That why I want he move on, I seriously hope ep 20 is last where I saw him in HS-NR circle. I just dont understand why the writer want to keep him in the loop.

I kind of think because it is weird to make have drama outside broadcast people circle. That why I suggest just end his character. Hihihihi.

I will just assume ep 15 is ending, where all 3 of them walk in different direction. Perfect.

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I see we are on the same boat, hahah.. I love Jungwon so much too! Even with his flaws. And I totally agree it's best for him to move on already. You are right, there's no point for him to be involved in Hwashin-Nari relationship, since the triangle love is solved. The more he sticks his nose into it, the more he'll get hurt, so it's better to let go.
I'm just waiting for his dignified exit from the story and even if the writer will still keep him around, I hope at least they make him learn something from all this and come out as a better person.

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And also JW subtlely is an interesting character to watch.

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When JW quietly followed NR after that broadcast, I shook my head with disbelief and pity, just like secretary Cha who followed behind them, lol.
Anyway, his actions recently surely aren't the best. After all, like HS, he is a flawed human being and his flaws were actually shown little by little each episodes. Only now he kinda exploded.
He surely is a good person. But, he's not perfect and I'm glad he's not. Perfectly good man is less interesting, no?

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i like him more since he show the flaws, make me want he learn from it. I dont know when the writer will make he learn that winning is not means he have to have it all?.

I just hope he told his mom about the breakup, then his mom will not that shock when hwashin mom told her "why hwashin introduce jungwon girlfriend to me?, they already break up?". Then what will happen to his mom?. I cant imagine it. For the sake of his mom, I hope JW told his mom that they broke up already, and please move on.

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When the mommas know, I bet it's gonna be a real mess, LOL.

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Thank you for bringing up Jungwon..! Lol
I also agree that he will be alone naturally. And secretary CHA is so cute, I hope he and Jungwon will be a good good friend too (are they already did that?). Him shaking his head when following Jungwon and Nari is making my nose exhale after such a serious scene with the two characters on focus. And somehow at the previous episode where he gave the cloth to Hwashin, I get the vibe that he's not in the mood, like he's also sad because of Jungwon, and not so lively as usual. Hahahah

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When the CG started going wonky and PNR didn't realize it, I immediately suspected sabotage by Hye-won, who had both motive and means to create the mess. But the writer didn't take us there, for which I am grateful. Doing so would have taken the focus away from the central issue of trust between PNR and HwaShin, and just thrown us more deeply into another love/power triangle. Though the writer may still bring something like that up in the next episodes, she showed amazing wisdom and restraint in not going there now. Great work, writer!

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Are there any similarities between Nari's brother and HS, they both are smart.Did they even talk single word to each other? Mari knows and talked all his family members even his ex girlfriend. Is her brother will like HS, because he is little possessive about her. When JW once talking to him,, Chiyeol was cold. Can't wait to see their interactions.

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Ooo.. Can’t wait to see Chiyeol’s share of jealousy. Both with noona’s guy and with PalGang. (If the PalGang~Chiyeol story line gets developed further).
Ah, who knew Jealousy could be such a wonderful feeling! *Gleefully rubs palms together*

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HAHA only when we are not the ones feeling it. By it, I mean jealousy.

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No jealousy no love experience. hahahaha

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I did think their personality look similar. HS and Chi yeol are hard shell. They have biiig pride. Chi yeol also went naked in rage once being accused doing knowledge steal at some class. Haha..
Yess, both are more than smart, cold outside but considerate inside. Remember the night palgang slept outside? He had a lot in mind but said nothing.
With HS, he never talk yet, just exchange gazes. May be Chi yeol has been measuring him fom time to time, because HS is after noona and he is the noona's ever crush. As a smart boy, he must have known what happen in the neighbourhood.
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Ha ha.. Nari’s men are both hard-outer-shell-but-soft-and-mushy-inside types.

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Do they exist in real world?

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I believe so. Heck, I think I was one of those during my teenage/ early - mid 20s. Walls put up around my heart, body language to show a tough exterior, with a don't mess with me look, careful not to show ANY kind of vulnerability. But inside I always was the soft, sensitive type.
Years of life experience later, I may have learnt to break down most (some?? ha ha) of my walls and bring out more of my warmer, softer, fun-loving side to the real world.

All of which is why I identify and empathize with Hwashin so much. I keep seeing bits and pieces of myself in him!

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I've been complaining about this show for weeks now, but this episode brought back what made me stick with JI. With the triangle out of the way, we can finally move back to character development and I love it so much <3 Also, this episode was a great example of how getting the couple together does not equal to not having conflict. Bravo!

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So many interesting viewpoints and comments on this episode - thanks for sharing, everyone! Loved reading them all.

Am not going to re-hash stuff which other Beanies here have said so eloquently, but I just wanted to come out from lurkerdom to say that this is my favourite Jealousy Incarnate episode to date.

Don't get be wrong, I loved the jealousy hijinks from all our various characters on this show but a Lee Hwa Shin in love and enjoying the first flush of being able to date the woman he's been longing for and had to go through hell to get? DRAMA GOLD!

Hwa Shin and Na Ri kissing, smiling and laughing together on that lower bunk was such a sweet, natural and intimate moment my heart was drowning in feels. The way Hwa Shin kept looking at Na Ri as though he could not quite believe that this is all happening but he's soaking it up, just relishing being able to be with her, hold her, kiss her, see her face and see her smile, and his heart is overflowing and he's breaking out into the most adorable smiles with the sweetest crinkles around his eyes, is just swoon-inducing, for real!

And then the next scene where they are in the kitchen together and he's so cute in wanting to know how to make the type of ramyun Na Ri likes - asking for her preference through each and every step and obediently following through without comments, is so lovely!
I don't believe for a second that Hwa Shin did not know how to make ramyun because I completely believe his assertion that he visits the empty kitchen often for ramyun after a particularly late and possibly awful on-site crime reporting evening. He seemed really at ease in that kitchen - clearly he used it often. So it is so endearing to see him express his love and his care of Na Ri through the simple start of wanting to know how she likes her ramyun cooked, and in his typical meticulous reporter fashion, went through every step with the intention to remember and re-produce it for her in the future. Awww, come on, who wouldn't feel touched at that? It may seem small to a lot of people but I liked that it showed us that Hwa Shin was keen to know and be perfect on even the smallest things when it comes to Na Ri.

It's like how he knows Jung Won so well - from the tiny meticulous things of Jun Won's food likes and dislikes - his attention and care is now also extended to Na Ri.

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And that cute little interaction after the ramyun dinner? Hwa Shin cutely and adorably trying to persuade Na Ri to spend more time with him, tugging on her sleeve like a little kid, using a bit of aegyo, his eyes just shooting out messages saying "spend time with me! spend time with me! spend time with me!". It's such a natural inclination and attitude which we can identify with when dating with someone whom we really like for the first time.
His smiles of delight and happiness at the fact that he is at liberty to do all these things with the woman he loves is the sweetest and most lovable thing I've ever seen.

And how he tries to be supportive and encouraging with Na Ri during the election broadcast rehearsals! Clear instructions without an ounce of condescension or mockery, how right before the start of the live broadcast he clocked Na Ri's nervousness and tried to make her feel more at ease with the mouth exercises and with sending little sweet and encouraging notes her way?

And yes, that controversial decision to pull Na Ri out - I was in complete agreement with the Beanies who thought Hwa Shin did the right thing, both as a professional sundae and also as a considerate boyfriend who wanted the best for her. I'm sure many will have different views on whether it was the right or wrong thing to do but I loved how Hwa Shin acted and behaved in those scenes.

You could see concern shooting out from his face and eyes as he observed Na Ri's nervousness and anxiousness, could see how he tried to calm her down, remind her to put those mistakes behind her and keep going, then realising that it was not working, that she was too distracted and unfocused to really hear his words and take his advice properly. He knew big consequences were on the line, went to the stairwell to calm down and think things through, probably decided there and then that he was going to check one more time with Na Ri before making that difficult decision for her, and then striding back to confront her. And he did it so gently too - he looked at her right in the eye, took her face in his hands and calmly asked her to tell him the truth.

She couldn't, of course, being so all-over-the-place at that moment, and he bit the bullet, made that difficult decision for her even though HE KNEW it would make her disappointed and angry with him, that he would be in for a difficult time addressing her anger, but he manfully did that anyway.

Jo Jung Suk is just slaying it in his role as Hwa Shin!

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"as a professional sundae" - lol I know this is probably autocorrect, but it made me burst out laughing! Would that we could all have professional sundaes!

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ROFL!

Yes, it was autocorrect at work, lol!

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LOL! I totally didn't notice that when I read! Haha, so I'm glad you pointed it out. So funny.

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... contd again (LOL!)

I will be honest, I find that decisiveness and quick-thinking ability of Hwa Shin at that moment to be very attractive and sexy.

With all this new-age talk of equality amongst the sexes, call me old-fashioned but I find that having as a partner someone who is good at what he is doing, is self-confident and is able to think on his feet, assess the consequences of his decisions and still make them on our behalf as a pair/ partnership when one partner is clearly indecisive and shaky, is admirable and worthy of respect.

And how Hwa Shin tried to handle the fallout, was also admirable. He KNEW Na Ri would be unhappy and would stew over his actions. He knew he would have to address the large white elephant in the room sooner or later and instead of being a coward and pretending it didn't exist, he decided to courageously confront it and deal with it.

And I liked how he tried various methods and at various times to do that. He didn't give up. He was willing to put up with everything Na Ri would throw at him for his actions, WANTED it, even.

Sure, Hwa Shin is not perfect, but he trying his damned hardest to be a good sunbae and a good boyfriend to Na Ri. And yes, he will probably continue to hurt Na Ri in the future and give her wounds like Jung Won said, but as we've seen, he would never do that out of a vicious sense of revenge or maliciousness. His wounds are wounds made from being an imperfect human being (like we all are!) who tries to make the best out of a bad situation with the limited information he has.

And at least he tried to take responsibility for them, is willing to take the fallout of his actions and accept the hate and anger that he knows will come his way as a result. That takes courage, man!

And hey, what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger, no?

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Just want to welcome you back to the JI's comment section @suegarbaby. I remembered you were one of the few who was on team HS even from the earlier episodes (back when I was still a lurker). Thought I missed your comments in the last few recaps, glad you decide to reemerge from lurkerdom ?

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Thank you, @Strawberry! Yes, am firmly on the Team Hwa Shin camp since the beginning, lol. It helps that Jo Jung Suk plays him with such panache and flair, we can see that underneath that prickly exterior there is a person who does have a heart. And as the series progresses, we are given better and better insights on his internal rationales and motivations which causes him to act and behave the way he does. Hwa Shin makes sense to me, lol.

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Yes, he makes sense to me, too. A grump with heart in the right place, he's someone who will be there for you when it really counts. He reminded me of someone very dear to me tbh. I refrained to say anything before ep. 15, not only because of all the overwhelming negativity directed to his character, I also still wasn't sure where the writer would take us, and decided to wait and see. I was so happy that his personality was finally established for us viewers around ep. 13-14.

The only mystery remained is what really happened when HS exposed the fraud in his brother's company, I have a feeling that there's more at play, since his brother didn't seem to hold grudges against him at all, unlike other family members/relatives around him. If I remember correctly, hyung even asked the nurse at the hospital to connect him to HS on the phone and then told him that he missed him, right before he passed away(?)

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Read many alike posts, but still type a comment, lol..:-) you wrote it very eloquently.
*jealous mode activated

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I really love all the beanies out here! I've been a DB fan since The Greatest Love came out in 2011 (now you know I'm a Gong Hyo-jin fan?) but only here on JI recap that I decided to escape from my Lurker Castle and start joining the comment section.

I feel I am learning a lot from the different perspectives being put out when discussing this drama.

Thanks, DB!

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Is nobody going to talk about the Office Wife/Girlfriend VS Actual Wife/Girlfriend "rivalry" in this episode? I thought it was pretty smart of the writer to include this in the script and it made me wonder what is the basis of compatibility? Is it professional competency, education quality, passion, status, chemistry or...? How does one determine who is more compatible as a partner?

Considering most people spent at least 1/3 of their time at the office, the office is almost like a second home. Surely, if two people can get along at work, they are likely to share similar principles in life as well...Put this way, Office Wife/Girlfriend seems like a threat to Actual Wife/Girlfiriend. It's no wonder the relationship between the the two can also spark off jealousy.

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That's a good point you brought up, @Selaine.

Many beanies here mentioned different strokes for different folks in previous JI recaps, and I think it holds true here in this instance as well. It is undeniable that people who work in the same office or industry do have a common platform. But the extent of whether it translates into viable/ compatible romantic relationships probably has more to do with the presence of other factors as well, such as, level and extent of proximity, chemistry and personalities of the persons involved.

I know many couples who have gotten together via the workplace, but I also know equally many couples who prefer to keep their work life separate from their personal life and so prefer a very different partner. They argue that they have enough stress and issues to manage at work, that being able to come home to a completely different environment, to be able to talk to their partner on completely different things, helps them to gain a wider sense of perspective and helps them to dis-engage from their work and the work-mindset.

Conversely, there are others who thrive on having partners who understand their work stress and pressures, and find great enjoyment being able to discuss those things with them, learn from them, and help build each other up.

I think it's all down to the individual and what works for them/ is important to them, and what doesn't/ isn't.

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The only couple/triangle highlighted is our office HS-NR-HW

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I forgot one more potential couple, uhm lija and gye kija, haha..

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Sorry, Selaine, I didn't really catch well your point last time. (My brain must have come into its low battery mode, lol)

Our writernim interest is best friend triangles.
(Attempt to sounding a bit relevant)
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Let's enjoy the ballerina spin of JJS:

http://tvcast.naver.com/v/1209139

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Thanks for sharing, @PYC! That video had me laughing and grinning from ear to ear!

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Thank you for sharing! He had me hyped when he was yelling "AYE!" and dancing. I love that he was keeping his own energy going despite the cold. I am here for it. Please keep sharing! JJS is amazing!

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I hear he's not even getting much sleep. His energy is impressive!!!

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HS is not gonna die right? right? T_T

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I hope NOT but the writer is a bit unpredictable. I thought HS/NR will get together after ep 14 but they did not and the story twisted in a way that I didn't expect it to be. Only this past ep 20, we found a bit happiness for HS and it seems to be another problems lurking. The writer indeed like to torture HS. Someone said that romcom commedy always have happy ending but I found examples sad ending too so it's hard to say either. Gah! JI is frustrating indeed.

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One of my favorite moments in this episode is HS's (sudden) 30-second outburst at the production team for getting the images wrong. He's obviously frustrated after having to make a tough decision, and I think the production team definitely needs a good scolding because they really messed up, big time.

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I love that moment too. It really drove in just how conflicted he was about what he'd just done and how upset he was that they even had to end up in this situation at all.

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I was so scared after watching ep 19 coz I didn't want to get disappointed with nari but I guess after reading this recap makes go back and watch ep 20 thank you guys for keeping the feeling alive

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damn this drama is really addictive.

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