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Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo: Episode 12

There’s plenty of suffering to go around this hour, both the internal and external kind. Our hero seems to be the only one who knows what he wants and is fully intent on getting it, though he’s up against some new resistance in the form of Su’s guilt. He might be the only one who can save her now—but it’s less about saving her from her situation, and more about saving her from herself.

 
EPISODE 12 RECAP

King Taejo orders his son and fourth prince So to go to China (specifically the Later Jin dynasty) as an ambassador. So agrees to do as he’s told, but he asks for the king to allow Su to continue working in the palace.

The king agrees, only for as long as it takes for So to leave the room. Then he tells Astronomer Choi to send Su to a place where none of the princes will be able to see her again—if So won’t let her go, then he’ll make it so he has no choice.

Astronomer Choi finds Su in the late Court Lady Oh’s room, and offers Su some comfort when it comes to her mentor’s death. But then he informs her that she’s to leave the palace, effective immediately.

Su just sighs in resignation as she asks where it is that she’ll have to go. Meanwhile, So packs his belongings, including the makeup needed to cover his scar. Before she goes, Su makes sure to find So, despite having to limp because of her wounds.

They go for a slow walk, where So gives her pointers on how to best get over her pain and grief. If she works hard, she’ll be able to forget, which Su turns back onto him: “You should forget me now.” So doesn’t take her seriously, and only asks that she stay in the palace and wait for him.

“I will not wait for you,” she replies, handing back the hairpin he gave her. “This happened to you because you tried to help me,” she adds, referencing his new appointment to go to Later Jin. She feels bad because she knows how happy he was to be allowed into the palace, but now he’s having to leave because of her.

Using a hand on her waist, So pulls her closer, and leans in for a kiss. At the last moment, Su turns her head, and So just smiles. “I said I would get your permission,” he says in light admonishment.

Then, with her guard down, So steals a very quick kiss. “I lied,” he explains with a Cheshire grin. He takes the hairpin in her hand and says he’ll use it as a good luck talisman, since he’ll be back soon. But as he walks away, Su thinks to herself that she won’t be waiting for him, even though he risked his life for her and called her his.

As he turns around and waves at her with the pin in his hand, Su thinks to herself that she can’t help but be afraid every time they meet. Despite knowing that her heart had been in someone else’s hands, she wonders, “Why is it so difficult to let you go?”

Wook sees her limping up the steps upon her return to the palace, but can’t bring himself to say anything to her. She turns around to see him turned away from her, and he walks away from her purposefully. Tears well in her eyes, but she says nothing. Only when she’s turned away does Wook chance a look back at her.

So returns to wearing a mask on his journey to Jin, while Su is sent out of the palace with a small bundle of her belongings. Fourteenth prince Jung finds Wook to tell him that Su’s gone. Wook leaps to his feet and checks Su’s room, which is now devoid of her presence.

Knowing that she’s been cast out, Wook slowly sinks to the ground, crying. “Su-ya… if you just leave like this…” He reaches out a trembling hand to her bedding, before he throws it in a rage and cries out, “Su-ya!”

Outside the palace, Su turns as if she’s heard it. Maybe she did.

Queen Sinmyeongsunseong talks casually about that “pesky creature” who’s now dead to Princess Yeonhwa, referencing Court Lady Oh. Now that she’s seen Yeonhwa’s scheming side, the evil queen thinks that they’re very much alike, but Yeonhwa puts the kibosh on this notion by reminding her that her own mother, Queen Sinjeong, was exiled for supposedly causing Court Lady Oh’s miscarriage.

Though she doesn’t outright claim that the evil queen was to blame for the miscarriage, everyone knows that she’s the reason Court Lady Oh, the woman the king loved the most, had to die. If her own mother could be exiled for causing a miscarriage, then Queen Sinmyeongsunseong is in for much worse—so Yeonhwa knows an alliance would be foolish.

The evil queen says that Yeonhwa is just as culpable as she is, which makes the princess laugh. Because she drank the poison, she’s free of suspicion, and anyone else who was involved is either dead or gone. “You are alone now, Your Majesty. Do not make my mother get on her knees ever again,” Yeonhwa adds as a warning.

Third prince Yo is back, and having overheard the conversation, he tells his mother that he can’t help but like Yeonhwa for her gumption. His mother warns him to stay away from her, while Yo seems to think of it as a challenge. Besides, his uncle, Wang Shik-ryeom, has offered to support his potential rise to the throne.

One year later, the 26th year of Taejo’s reign. King Taejo is apparently not long bound for this world, and third prince Yo taunts his brothers that the king may very well decide that he should have the throne.

Now that Yo’s returned to the palace with supporters ready to place him in power, Crown Prince Mu worries that the king has made it so that anyone can take the crown. Astronomer Choi assures him that the king is only using this opportunity to find out who’s on Mu’s side, but Mu worries that those close to him will be the ones to pay for the king’s experiment.

At a festival held for King Taejo, princess-in-disguise Woo-hee is among the group of sword dancers performing for him. Suddenly, she breaks from the others, jumps onto the king’s table, and stabs him with her sword.

Of course, it’s just a daydream on her part, since she’s just practicing her sword dance. Thirteenth prince Baek-ah calls her out for getting the move wrong, since he’s providing the accompaniment. Does no one pay attention to how weird a job this is for a prince to have?

Baek-ah ends up inches from Woo-hee’s face during his admonishment, which makes her acutely aware of their proximity. But when he mentions that “the wife” has prepared food for him, her eyes go wide: “You’re married?”

Seeing her face, he pounces on the chance to taunt her as he asks if him being married would bother her. She’s quick to demur, though she’s curious to know how long he’s been married, if he has children, etc. Baek-ah continues to tout his imaginary family until he tells her that the wife he was referring to was his father’s wife, aka his mother, and gives her the modern “Okay” hand signal that Su taught him. Hah.

Tenth prince Eun scoffs at his wife for testing whether he read a book she gave him, even going so far as to bet his own wrist that he read it. Soon-deok draws a line on his wrist and says that it’s hers now, as are his eyes and nose (which she draws circles around, hah).

He tells her she might as well take all of him, but makes an exception when she tries to mark his finger—that’s Su’s, he says. When she turns away, Eun nervously asks if she’s crying, but then a dagger comes flying at them. Soon-deok protects him from it, but it cuts her hair tie in the process, causing her hair to flow loose around her face.

It was her dad who threw the dagger to test her reflexes, and she chastises him for scaring her husband. But when she offers to blow on Eun’s booboo from the fall, Grand General Park just gapes.

Yo offers Princess Yeonhwa a ring along with the promise that he’ll divorce his wife once he becomes king, and make Yeonhwa his queen. She’s not buying it, since Yo’s father-in-law is the current Minister of the Left, Park Young-gyu, and he’d be crazy to lose that alliance.

But Yo says he’ll only need Minister Park’s support before he becomes king, and not after. He deliberately places the ring on Yeonhwa’s finger even after she pushes it back toward him, though Wook’s appearance gives her a chance to pull her hand back.

Though Wook is slightly hostile toward him, Yo reminds him that with the king about to release teachings for his descendants, it means that there’ll be a major shift soon. Yo wonders if they should just attack first and get their father out of the way before that happens, but at Wook’s admonishment, he claims he was only joking.

Yo leaves, but not before reminding Wook of his promise to support him when the time comes. Yeonhwa is quick to call Wook out for making such a bargain—why wouldn’t he try to claim the throne for himself?

But Wook has clearly given this more thought than her, since he knows that whoever goes against the crown prince will become a traitor. However, if he were to rise up against that traitor, then he’d become a hero.

When Yeonhwa asks what would happen if Yo were to end up betraying him, Wook’s eyes land on the ring Yo gave her. She’s scandalized when he says it suits her well, knowing full well what he means: “Are you telling me to become a hostage?” With a humorless smile, Wook tells her to call it what she likes. “We owe each other a great debt, do we not? You should put up with this much.” Damn, Wook. That’s cold.

We find Su working as a lowly water maid for a gisaeng house, though her reputation for once being a court lady in Damiwon is well known amongst the other girls. They grow angry when the still-crippled Su refuses to gossip about any of the princes with them, and deliberately trip her when she tries to leave.

They accuse her of killing her own superior, calling her bad luck. They throw her laundry back into the river, and as Su struggles to collect it all, Wook and Jung happen to see her struggle. Wook is the first to turn away.

Once in the palace, Wook confronts Jung over deliberately taking him to see Su. Wook claims to be indifferent to her plight, but Jung knows that he loved Su once, so what’s the reason he can’t go to her? Wook claims that it’s because he can’t go against the king, but Jung doesn’t quite look like he buys it.

That night, Wook finds Su eating a meager meal alone. She sets it aside when she sees him and rises unsteadily, causing Wook to ask if her leg still pains her—he knows Jung has been sending her medicine. In a flat tone, she tells him that it only bothers her sometimes, but that she’s fine otherwise.

“Do you hate me?” Wook asks tentatively. Su’s eyes fill with tears as she looks blankly forward. Wook explains that he couldn’t come because he couldn’t promise her anything, and that it’s his own shame over being so useless to her.

Because the king was so upset over Court Lady Oh, he explains, he couldn’t even dare to bring up the idea of marrying her to his father. Only then does Su speak up: “Did you miss me? Even once? Has there been a time when you missed me?”

After a pause, Wook quietly replies, “Every day. I longed for you every moment.” Su takes this in for a moment, her expression softening with relief as she says, “That is all I need then. That is enough.” But when Wook says that everything will get better once he has more power, Su tells him not to put himself in danger on her behalf.

With tears in his own eyes, Wook can only tell her to keep herself safe. “Please don’t make me feel sorrier than I do,” he adds, before abruptly leaving. A tear snakes down Su’s cheek as she watches him go.

So returns from Later Jin, and updates his father on the political goings-on there, including a possible conflict between Jin and the Khitan. King Taejo wants to send him back to deal with it but So refuses, since he knows his father broke the promise he made to keep Su in the palace when he left.

His father asks if he still has feelings for Su, which soon turns into a tirade about how kings should be willing to throw anyone and anything away. So retorts that he isn’t a king and won’t become one, so that rule doesn’t apply to him. He even adds in a subtle threat that if the king wants him to remain as an ally for Crown Prince Mu, then he shouldn’t make things harder for him. “I, too, will live like a human now.”

Grand General Park does some damage control once So leaves, but it’s not that Taejo is upset with So’s actions—he’s actually pleased with his new attitude. “Now, he will not lose no matter who he fights,” the king says, adding that only now will he be able to die in peace.

As Su hangs laundry to dry, she thinks she sees a vision of So, only to turn around and find nothing there. But then she stops suddenly, feeling a presence behind her. “You never did listen,” So’s voice says.

He wraps his arms around her from behind and adds, “I missed you.” Su tells him that he shouldn’t be there as she pulls away from his grasp, but he just takes her work-roughened hands in his and smiles: “You are beautiful, as always.”

That’s when she finally notices his mask, which breaks her out of her stupor. Suddenly she’s all questions, but he unmasks himself to reveal a perfectly covered scar beneath. “I didn’t take it off so I wouldn’t forget you,” he says. “I was determined to come back to you.”

Su reminds him that she’s just a water maid now, and therefore not in a position to be having any contact with him. She’s glad he returned safe, and now he knows she’s fine. That should be enough.

She tries to limp away from him, but So grabs her by the wrist, claiming that he’ll find a way to fix her situation. Su finally breaks and pulls away from him, half-crying that she’s trying to just forget everything through hard labor. But what she doesn’t say aloud is, “You must put a stop to your affections toward me.”

So says he’ll help her just the way she helped him, and together, they’ll find a way for her to forget, without having to live the way she’s living. In voiceover, Su says, “Please do not throw yourself away because of me.” But aloud, she says that So’s the one she wants to avoid—when she looks at him, she’s reminded of everything she’s trying to forget.

She tells him to forget about her too, which is the only way no one will get hurt. She returns to her room, where she’s approached by Astronomer Choi. Hmm.

King Taejo’s health is failing, so as a last resort, Astronomer Choi serves him a specially concocted tea to bring back his appetite. Taejo knows upon tasting it that Su made it, and so he tells Choi to bring her to him.

Quick cut to Princess Yeonhwa asking So to marry her. (This seems sudden.) She tells him that she’s thought about the kind of person she is, and that she’s not satisfied with her lot. She wants power, which means she wants the throne.

So smiles gently at her as he replies that he’s the opposite of the kind of person she’s looking for, which Yeonhwa claims to know already. But what she wasn’t counting on was that she was a woman with feelings, as she admits, “I have loved you for a long time. I am destined to be with you.” (She mimics the same words Yo said about the two of them.)

After a long silence, So says that when he was very young, someone told him he was fated to be king—but that’s the day he received the scar on his face. He wasn’t even treated as a prince, let alone a king. “We’re destined to be?” he all but scoffs. “I don’t believe in destiny. And there’s someone else I want.” Yeonhwa knows he’s talking about Su, and warns that he’ll ruin his future if he ties his fate to such an unlucky girl.

“I wouldn’t even have had a future if it weren’t for Su,” So replies. “Now that I’ve said it, I know for certain—without her, I’m nothing.”

Su limps into the throne room to meet the ailing king, who readily drinks the tea she made him. Looking at him, Su recognizes the same symptoms she once saw in her own grandpa, and guesses that he doesn’t have much time left.

Taejo seems to read her thoughts, and then asks, “Where did you come from?” He admits that he looked into her after Court Lady Oh’s death, and after questioning anyone who ever knew her, he concluded that she became a completely different person. But then, he astutely tells her that he thinks she’s similar to Astronomer Choi: “You know the future, and we do not.”

He asks her if she knows So was fated to become king, and sighs that if Crown Prince Mu and So are both destined to become king, no one knows what will happen. He knows she’ll be able to see it all happen, but warns her against getting involved.

Su’s only request is that the king send her away instead, because she doesn’t have the courage to live in the palace anymore. Taejo’s advice is for her to learn to close her eyes to the things she can’t fix with her own strength, otherwise, her situation will never change.

“Do not get so hung up on the future that you lose what you have now,” the king adds. “If [Court Lady Oh] called you her daughter, then you are a daughter to me, which is why I am giving you this advice.” Oh, now she’s like a daughter to you?

As Su leaves the palace, she suddenly finds herself surrounded by the sounds of battle in the courtyard. A premonition of events to come, perhaps.

Meanwhile, Woo-hee cuts herself while practicing her sword dance, and in his worry, Baek-ah discovers scars from old cuts crisscrossing her wrists. He knows better than to ask, so he asks if he can hold her instead. She shakes her head, but he pulls her in anyway.

He says he’s sorry for any hardship she endured, even though he wasn’t around then. “I want only good things to happen for you, and I want to make you happy now. Trust me.” Woo-hee pulls away, angrily asking who he thinks he is to promise such things. When she leaves, Baek-ah quietly admits, “I still have more to confess to you.”

Su happens to see Woo-hee crying, and next thing we know, the two are sitting down for a chat. She seems to know that it has something to do with Baek-ah, which makes Woo-hee question how Su knows him. They talk as if they know each other, which must’ve come about because Su works as a maid for Woo-hee’s gibang.

To cover for Baek-ah (since Woo-hee doesn’t know he’s a prince), Su claims she met him before she entered the palace. She tells Woo-hee that he’s a good person who she shouldn’t be pushing away, but Woo-hee claims she doesn’t have a choice.

Woo-hee fills in some of the gaps on how she and Su know each other, as she says both of them bonded over their shared hardships. She wants Su to do her makeup for the big ceremony tomorrow, because she wants it so that Baek-ah will look at her once and never forget her. “That’s how I want to be remembered,” she says more quietly.

After Yo plots with Minister Park to use Woo-hee to kill the king at the ceremony, he pretends to feign disinterest in whether the king does or doesn’t attend. But that’s because he knows Wook has his back, since Wook is the one who convinces the king to attend.

Yo looks on approvingly as Wook puts his prince’s garb over another outfit. The ailing king presides over the ceremony, but So waits outside to catch Su so he can give her back the hairpin. “Let’s get married,” he says suddenly.

If she marries him, he says, she can leave the gyobang (gisaeng house that focused more on the arts) as well as the palace. At her reluctance, he adds that they can divorce after he gets her out of the palace—all she has to say is yes.

Of course, Su doesn’t, because she doesn’t want to make So leave the palace. So claims to not care if he’s with his father or not, to which Su asks, “What if you were to become king? Would you still leave?” So: “If I were king, would you leave with me?”

Handing her back the hairpin, So smiles a bit as he asks her to come with him—she’s still his, after all. Su seems to waver for a moment, but then she gives the hairpin back. She can’t marry him, she says, and turns to see that Wook has overheard the entire conversation.

Wook grabs So before he can chase after her, telling him not to fill her head with lies that he, a prince, could marry a water maid like her. “If I say it’s marriage, then it’s marriage,” So fires back. But then Wook reminds him that he’s the reason Su’s in such a lowly state, which is why he can’t forgive him.

But So won’t take the blame from him, and says that he gave him everything he needed to prove Su’s innocence. Wook’s uselessness is the reason Su’s there, he adds, which only makes Wook grab his half-brother by the collar.

At the ceremony, Woo-hee takes part in the sword dance. As the music crescendos, she sees Baek-ah in the crowd, realizing from his clothes that he’s a prince. Baek-ah watches her gaze and has a realization of his own: She was practicing the wrong movements earlier because she had another plan in mind.

As Woo-hee rushes the king, Baek-ah jumps in front of her and takes the sword meant for his father. He couldn’t just tackle her?

Back with the two warring men, So tells Wook to stop pretending like he cares about Su—he can just turn his back on her like he already has. But he can see whatever Wook’s wearing underneath his robes by the hold he has on him.

And then, quick cut back to Baek-ah, who pulls back from Woo-hee.

 
COMMENTS

Well, now I’m more inclined to think that Episode 11 was a lucky fluke. I feel spoiled from having a clear emotional through line that we could easily follow to having the sort of hodgepodge of scenes we got in this episode, where I was left struggling to figure out who we were following and what we should be rooting for them to accomplish. Was this about Su? So? Woo-hee? Killing the king? Focus, Moon Lovers! Focus.

I had a feeling we were in for a ride when that time skip rolled around, since we were already back to being excluded from the events of the episode—and then suddenly, we were dropped into the story a year later without even one exposition fairy to help catch us up. It was disorienting, and for the remainder of the episode I couldn’t help but feel like the show was just trying to keep itself afloat.

The rapid-fire succession of scenes would’ve been much easier to swallow if we had at least one point to anchor us, but we were effectively shut out from seeing Su’s point of view. What she’s been through has been extraordinary and more than enough to cause a person to shut down—but she’s still our heroine, and we need her to at least try to play an active role in events. Su’s biggest issue has been her lack of proactivity, which we could somewhat blame on circumstance before. And even now, we can point to circumstance as being the reason why she can’t help herself, only now she’s willingly given up on trying.

So without her even making an effort to change her fate, and with her being completely resigned to suffering in silence, I’m not sure what we’re supposed to want for her. Obviously, any viewer will want her to snap out of the funk she’s in, but to what end? It’d be great if So really could swoop in to save the day here, but Wook may have a point about his marriage solution not being that feasible. Even so, what is it that Su actually wants? For a hot second, her goal was to try and dissuade So from fulfilling his destiny. I can see why that’s changed now, but that doesn’t mean that she should be the one helping history along by suggesting that So should become king. What does she want to happen?

At least So’s trying, and in an hour so full of doom and gloom, that counts for a lot. Right now I’ve got all my hopes pinned on him, though it’s interesting to note how his father’s opinion has changed in such a short while. Then again, King Taejo seemed to be much more open to a lot of things, considering that he realized that Su was a time traveler. If he’d figured this out about her before and knew that it would’ve made Court Lady Oh happy for him to treat her as a daughter, why did that change now, after a year of hard labor? Was it really just that one cup of tea? More than ever, that would’ve been a scene to hear Su say something. Anything. Or for her to even realize that Astronomer Choi may know more than he’s letting on, and that he could be her ticket out of her misery. But that’d mean she’d have to want something first. So c’mon, Su. You’re from the future. Act like it.

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Oho, the king wants So to take the throne. And finally, I’m liking Wook that been taken to the dark side. Instead of romance, I’m watching this for the throne game and the battle.
And sudden revelation that haesoo and woohee is bff, and the 1 year timeskip. And the king is so weak already, why is there an assassination plot? Isn’t it better to wait out, so that you won’t be seen in a bad light? Or they want to kill him before he announce that CP would really take the throne if he die, to fake a will saying that Yo is the king?
Probs to the king, knowing that haesoo is similar to ji mong, and somewhat encourage her to not let her knowledge of future tamper with her decision “Do not get so hung up on the future that you lose what you have now”. Perhaps that advice will help her with her feeling for So, despite knowing that he will become King, she will treasure his feeling at this moment? Lolz but we are kinda far away from that seeing her reject him every single time, even when he offered that they both leave the palace.

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My thoughts exactly about the assassination plot...so pointless.

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And they prepared for that assassination more than 1 year, like why?? they easily poison the tea and set up everything in like a week?
And I watched international version, the scene of crown prince saying that the King has made it for everyone to battle the throne was missing. So it totally make no sense of why the sudden assassination, the teaming up of the princes.

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Re: length of preparation
That's because the capable women came up with the tea poisoning plot whereas Yo planned the king's assassination. ?
And have you seen Woo-hee's sword dancing skills? Girlfriend obviously needed the time to practice. ?

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Aaha...I thought the exact same!
Princess is more tactful conspirator than the wannabe hubby/ king prince Yo! :-P

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Hi, Anh; Good catch about the one year planning of the king's assassination! To execute (no pun intended) the plan, they awaited Wang So's return to Goryeo. This plot sounds like it was hatched by the lead character, Kang Gi Tan, of the Monster K-drama, whose revenge plot did not come to fruition until the 50th (final) episode. The "one year later" syndrome came early, that is positioned usually in the final episode. I guess that nothing drama-worthy happened in Goryeo during that span of time. When Taejo asked Hae Soo where she was from, I was hoping that she would laugh maniacally, and reply, "I am from the 21st century. Say hello to Lady OH, when you meet her...soon." Thank the gods, that Moon Lovers... is not 50 episodes long

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I think making it 50 episodes long would actually be better for the drama. See the original, is like 35 episodes long, and it was able to narrate the story fully and allot time for its individual characters to flesh out. But Moon Lovers have to cram these rich story and intertwining plot-lines into 20 episodes. So it can really lose it's focus per episode especially when they have to maximize their one hour trying to tell the story. I admit that the editing is very clunky. They could have done a better job with it, but since they are giving out two versions of these drama, it's obviously pretty hard to do. I wish Moon Lovers was at least as long as the original. And that they only have to produce the SBS version.

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@biankoy

Technically speaking, C-version merely has 3 episodes more than K-version, because K-version's episodes are 1 hour, and C-verion's episodes are 35-40 min. So 20 x 60min vs 35 x 40min doesn't differ that much ;).

It's just that K-version spent too much screentime on fanservice, so it feels like nothing really happened in the first half of the story.

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I think the assassination plot is because they don't really know how sick the king is and they don't want to wait too long for him to die of natural causes. They have probably spent the year building up their military & political strength and I'm guessing all the pieces are in place for them to carry out the coup. If they wait too long, the king & Crown prince supporters may counter-move against them. I'm also guessing that they intend to frame the Crown prince for the assassination and thus eliminate the CP at the same time.

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Took them a year because Yo needs to grow his political allies first all over Goryeo or wherever. What's the point of killing the king beforehand if no one backs him up for the throne?

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I agree about the Wook being taken to the dark side comment. Honestly he's a much more interesting character with an actual goal instead of being the prince who has no job but to take walks around

But that being said I was actually quite aghast at the fact that I even considered Wook to be a second lead who'd at least give some of us the second lead syndrome.

I mean this guy..... He literally has no balls. None.

Th scene where he's telling her that he can't do anything because the king is pissed about lady oh I wish they'd switched the scene to where so is tellingg the king the Su ccant be cast aside or even the part where he refuses to go back just because Su has been taken out of the Damiwon.

I mean seriously, I missed you every single day but I didn't have the guts to come see you or even save you when I saw you in trouble because and then there is so I missed you every single day and I'll defy the king and marry you just to keep you safe and take away even if you leave me in the end.

I think there was a post going on somewhere where it showed the rain scene with Wook walking away and So standing over Su with the caption, the definition of the true man.

So true.

I MEAN SERIOUSLY SU, what's wrong with you? How Are you still pushing away? Are you pushing him away because you like him or are you just stupid?

I have a massive problem right now with the mystical forces who chose Hae Su or Hae Jin whatever her name is to go back. I mean seriously could you find no one better or smarter drowning during an eclipse?

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That's why I never jump on wook-su ship, wook on do things when the coast is clear.
and now his priority is the throne, I don't know what's his point of coming back to Su saying he miss her everyday when he's clearly not, he didn't even send her medicine (and Jung aka 14th prince did)
what so hard about that?
and if he already made up his mind, then just have a clean cut with Su already (one thing I like about C-ver, the relationship ended cleanly instead of this dragging romance)

should have drowned a doctor, a history addict or just someone with gut and think logically

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"should have drowned a doctor, a history addict or just someone with gut and think logically" ? THIS! hahaha so damn true.

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Lol, but I don't think I want to watch a remake of Faith or Dr Jin.

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That's exactly what I think.

I mean, what's the point of having a heroine who comes from future?

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Right! She (for a woman from the future) has accepted everything that has happened to her, without too much protesting. I keep waiting for her to say or at least think to herself, something anything that would make me think that she has retained her future self / identity. But no dice.

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Woon's tag line - "I care but not that much...."

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lol ...

so true. Btw, he still "starts" to promise her that if i had some power before she cuts him off.

but seriously, on top of being spineless he is whiny. He blames YH and then has the gall to blame WS that he is responsible for her condition ... what weed are you smoking dude?

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Wook and Hae Su blaming So..thats what I can't accept in this episode. Glad So is not taking the blame.

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If there is anything that we forgot to take into account that is right from the get-go, Haesoo has the tendency to fall for a JERK. Her modern-day boyfriend? Wook?

And while last week I totally understand Wook's predicament but this episode totally change my view on him that is he is a JERK. Man, you can't give the girl happiness so why can't you just let her live her own life and find happiness with someone else? That is totally selfish of you to want her to continue to hang on to those lingering feelings for you that will lead to nowhere. And worst, he placed the blame on So???? I mean, not owning up to your own incompetency officially making us a USELESS JERK.

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"Your uselessness makes me shake in anger" - Wang So
That how I feel about Wook lingering with Haesoo, I want him to be completely turn to dark side, fully concentrate on the throne instead of putting on this blaming show

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I think blaming others is a part of his charater...

he did blame his wife and his family for the marriage he did not want.

Now he blames WS. So much easier than guilt, no ?

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Him blaming So is really funny.

Yes. Queen Yo took part in assassination plot. But it's his little sist who dragged Su into this mess. And Wook knows that.

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Honestly, I am so sick of Wook. I have been from the very beginning. I mean, what kind of guy courts his wife's cousin while his wife is sick, waits til said wife dies to realize he (maybe) loved her, but then gets with said cousin immediately after? That should have been Su's sign to just get the heck out of there while she still could. This man clearly has issues.

And Su's just being a baby too. A year passed and you did nothing but wash clothes? Come on. This episode made me feel like she wasn't the main character anymore. and HELLO! Stop pushing So away, you limp noodle. I rolled my eyes so many times during this episode that they actually started to hurt.

The only person that has made any progress in a year is Yo. He was able to replenish his eyeliner supply .

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But washing clothes is her new job. She's not a free person who can go wherever she likes. In the novel, the female lead washed clothes for 6 years.

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Ugh, how wrecked would her hands and back and knees be after 6 years of scrubbing clothes at the river. :/

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@Jamie, Yes the hard physical labor of having to wash clothes for 6 years took a toil on her health, add to that her emotional & mental anguish caused by later events, Ruoxi's health deteriorated and she died at the young age of 30+ years.

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Now I'm really hoping that doesn't happen to Hae Soo. :(

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Interesting take on Wook's reaction. I actually thought this episode was trying to make it seem like his push for power was DRIVEN by his desire to bring Su back, which is something he could do only if he became king, rather than being in opposition to it.

But yes, major issues with Su right now. I can't tell whether it's that she has no clue how she feels, or she's so passive she's flipped back and forth by every wind. Other than her very pretty looks, I can't tell what it is about her that continues to inspire so much affection in So.

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@DramaLea - Agree with you on both points. Especially Wook. He still seems to have genuine feelings for Su and somewhere among all the planning he has going on, I feel, bringing Su back is also at the back of his mind. (Not that I ship them at this stage, but just saying.)
So far I can't bring myself to hate Wook. Partly because I watched the real Kim Ha Neul on Running Man and in many BTS videos of the drama (esp. the one where he rests his head on Hong Jong Hyun’s shoulders) - I.just.cannot. He is such an endearing mixture of cute + shy + good looks to hate - even if it is for a drama. :P

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Also, why are the writers making Su reject So even at this stage? I thought the previous episode was a call for all of us (INCLUDING SU) to abandon the Wook-Su ship and officially board the So-Su ship??

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Basically! I have no patience for a character who is a damsel in need of rescue. I get that she is a lowly water maid and isn't in a position to leave or do what she wants. I get that, but from someone who took a few lashes for a maid and someone who gave 10th prince a shiner. To just be this person with the personality of a wet mop is just too much!

And yet, So keeps thinking and planning with her in mind / by his side. So I guess her non plan is working?

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In 2016, JiMong was desperate, right before the solar eclipse (... the Tardis did not show up). He needed a time travel companion, and the suicidal HaeJin was the closest person around. The real HaeSoo is 16 years' old, so the naivete and teenage crush on Wookie seems appropriate. 25 years' old Hajin, in the 21st century, would fall for the wolf, Wang So, in a flash.

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So true. I'd choose the wolf anyday!

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Yep, I choose the wolf all the way. He is battle tested ;-)

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I have major second lead syndrome!

I honestly don't understand why everyone's hating on Wook so much. We know he's had to protect his mother and sister for the past ten years, when they were banished unfairly because of the Evil Queen. Killing people from the age of 11 was normal to him!

He also married Lady Hae to raise his family's status, and now that he knows that he actually DID love her, how can he dishonour what she did for him?

So has absolutely nothing tying him down, to the point where he doesn't have qualms about just running away with Su. Whereas if Wook did that he would disgrace his mother and sister, and his past marriage to Lady Hae would all have been in vain. Lady Hae also asked him to look after Su, but I don't think she'd be very happy if they were to be exiled and live in disgrace.

I don't agree that he should be so much on the sidelines atm, but I do understand that the only way he could be with Su is if he rises to the throne. Because he still LOVES her. Seemingly forming an alliance with Yo is proof that he's doing everything he thinks he can at the moment.

And if you think about it in modern terms, Wook > So. Not sure about you guys but I'd rather marry someone with a sense of responsibility over someone who obsesses unhealthily over me. That's how stalkers and mental disorders are formed, people!

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I am on the same boat as you.
For me, one way to know how a man will treat you is on how he treats his mother/sister. I think Wook loves/respect his mom so much that he don't want his family to suffer just because of his love for HaeSu.

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Yet the boy who supposedly loves his family so much, has just thrown away his sister to be a hostage while he schemes to kill his father and overthrow his brothers.

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@ColourMeHanuel YES so true! No wonder Lady Hae loved him so much, she has a good eye.

@Ren I don't believe that he'd attack anyone first, rather he'd be defending to protect himself and his people. Also, his sister stepped way out of line, and he didn't throw his sister away, he was following her original evil plot to make him king. In his own twisted way...

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The downside would be, he would throw you away for his family anytime required~ which i guess happens quite often in modern kdramas, where the husbands defend their moms everytime mom and wife are in an argument, then go to persuade their wives to just take it all and promise theyll talk to mom later whenever the moms have left~

Wait~ Thats exactly wook. Giving empty promises in the name of love~

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No, if he managed to become king for Su, he'd be free from having to protect his family. His mother had no problem with him marrying Su in the first place, she just didn't want him to put himself in a situation where he'd get himself (and effectively, probably her and Yeonhwa), killed.

I don't think he's thrown her away, he's just been placed in a situation where he can't be by her side. I also don't think any of his promises have been empty, he just couldn't fulfil them due to extenuating circumstances e.g. Yeonhwa, timing, the Evil Queen.

And put yourself in his shoes! Can you honestly say that you'd throw your mother and sister to almost certain death for a man/woman? Wouldn't you rather find a solution that keeps everyone alive?

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One of the reason why Queen Yoo wants to get rid Hwang Bo household is because Wook is such a strong contender for the throne. It was hinted in... hmmm... episode 5? when Hae Soo was visiting Palace to give her hand made soap.

Who says if he marry Hae Soo his family will be in danger? Yes, they'll loose a chance to gain power, but the other power hungry clans would stop eyeing them. The one who's being paranoid is Yeon Hwa. But Queen Hwang Bo herself told Yeon Hwa not to be afraid of something that hasn't happened yet.

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I totally agree with everything you said.
The fact that Evil Queen wants the Wook's family gone is one of the reasons Wook can't fight for Su at the moment- his face when his mother was kneeling before Evil Queen! That's what stopped him from going to Su when she was begging on behalf of Court Lady Oh.
Him marrying Su is not a problem at all in that respect. It's just that she's so taboo at the moment, the king (who has all the power), is furious whenever the princes even TALK to her. Let alone marry her. So yes, his family would probably be in danger if he married Su right now.

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if you talk about being good to parents, So also tried to treat his mother nicely, he brought gift for her when he just got back from his adoption place (i cant remember the name), he clear out all the evidience (yes, that was too much but still)
and yes, So is obsessive, and violent but he only crossed the line with his forced kiss

I'm not hating wook but his romance with Haesoo is long overdue. So you would pick someone who literally turned your back on you in your most vulnerable time, did not even talk or contact you in some form for a whole year, when Jung was able to at least send medicine, just what is the point of holding onto that love?
and if he still loves, why didn't he try to comfort her in the little ways he could.

and this is a saguek, why whould we impose our modern value onto historical people.

and my personal opinion is that I'm not invest in this show romance, haesoo is not worth it to be the reason for princes to fight over the throne, the real reason is that the princes want power, I rather want the prince battle for the throne to be shown more, how each side strategise and team up

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It's not about being good to parents, it's about protecting the people you love, and who are helpless without you. I have no bad feelings towards So in that respect; obviously he went above and beyond what his heinous mother deserves. Also, nobody really needs him.

Don't forget that the first time they met, So pushed Su off his horse. And then constantly threatened to kill her whenever he saw her. It was only when she showed she wasn't scared of him that he became curious, and then did a complete 180 and treated her as his property. Don't get me wrong, I know it's because that's all he knows, and it's how he was brought up, but what if he gets over her later on? Will he do another 180 and kill her?

Whereas Wook was the one who made her want to live again when she first arrived in Goryeo. They genuinely fell for each other, and until very recently had no doubts as to their affections for each other. Yes, I disagree with him completely ignoring her in her times of need the last couple of episodes, but that's how he was brought up too.

I'm not saying either is wrong or right, I'm just pointing out that it's understandable that she still has feelings for the person who essentially saved her, and made her happy and safe for the first time in an unimaginably strange environment.

Also, Su is a modern girl! Why wouldn't we impose our values onto her and her choices? Although she doesn't really act it these days.

But yes, I agree in that Su is not worth this fight right now, but I also think that it's not really about her anymore. It's a battle of pride and greed. If anyone's to blame here it's Wang Geon for being overly ambitious and having so many wives/sons + Yeonhwa. He should've just lived happily with Court Lady Oh........

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I'm with you @yoonks. Your reasoning is spot on!

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YAY! Glad to have an ally :)

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I am 100% with you. I actually think Wook is my favorite character. I understand why he is getting a lot of hate (for being seemingly passive, being an obstacle to So, etc.) but I do love him and can't wait to see what he does next. Yes, of course, he is unbelievably nice to look at and Kang Ha Neul is doing a killer job portraying him but I believe that, of all the princes, he is the smartest one. He hasn't really put his intelligence to the use of any grand plan yet, but I think that, when he does, epic things will be set in motion. And I do believe he loves Su and wants to protect her. He just does it differently. Yes, he turns away from her but one could also Lady Oh, Su would probably be dead. argue that she's alive thanks to him. It's indirect yes, but he did set the thing in motion. Nobody else thought of that. There was a lot of "Well, Wook, why won't you save her?" but very little action.
I don't even really mind that he turned on his sister. She had no problem sacrificing him for her ambitions and he made it clear that it would change things between them. I'm actually surprised she didn't see that coming. And honestly, I'm really excited for the final battle against So. If done right, it could be SO. AWESOME.

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Err... sentence got mixed up. Meant to say:

Yes, he turns away from her but one could also argue that she’s alive thanks to him. It’s indirect yes, but he did set the thing in motion. If he had not gone to see Lady Oh, Su would probably be dead by now.

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Love you @silentbeluga.
Glad to see Wookie getting some love!

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TOTALLY agree with everything you said! Tbh I don't understand why the king hasn't acknowledged him in the fight for the throne. He's intelligent, has solid values, and is a great leader.

Everyone also seems to have forgotten that whilst all the other princes were scared of So/ignored him in the first few episodes, Wook was the only one who'd ask him how he was, and stick up for him when he was teased.

Us and @MyGirl2016 should form a club hahhaa

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Also, the new ep is airing atm and holy moly it's intense. The only problem is that they're not all naked a la The K2.

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Just wanted to chime in. I like So better but also think Wook doesn't deserve so much hate.

What's funny is the stuff that Wook does is typical of some kdrama leads too:

- Falls in love with our heroine even while he's engaged to another chaebol girl he doesn't like
- Promises to protect the heroine, then becomes useless when heroine is bullied by his whole family
- Separates with heroine for some weird internal reason (though Wook has better reasons here than just "Study in America for 1 Year" plot)
- Breaks his own resolve to stay away from heroine in a moment of weakness (usually when our lead guy gets drunk and angst-confesses that he still misses the girl)

Also re: why does Wook make Yeonhwa marry Yo if it makes YH miserable?

His goal isn't to make his family happy. His goal is to give them power. He sacrificed his own happiness with Su to get it. Yeonhwa should sacrifice that much too since she's the one who cornered Wook into this plan in the first place.

And @yoonks' question: Tbh I don’t understand why the king hasn’t acknowledged him in the fight for the throne. He’s intelligent, has solid values, and is a great leader.

Unfortunately, Wook comes from a weaker clan. You need support or numbers to keep Goryeo together. :( If he puts Wook on the throne, it might just lead to a civil war. It's the same reason he can't just murder Queen Evil in her sleep. Her family is too powerful right now.

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Wook's sense of family responsibility is great for his mother and sister, but not so much for Hae Soo. He left her to die, and didn't lift a finger to stop it.

So in modern terms, would you still prefer him and his sense of family responsibility, if it meant he would let you unfairly take the fall for his sister's evil deeds, suppress evidence that could free you, and let you suffer the death penalty enacted by the government?

In other words, you would pick him even though he would very clearly not pick you?

Maybe you understand his actions, but Wook is not a person to trust or rely on for Hae Soo. He's shown he's willing to let her hang. Wook is not on Hae Soo's side.

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If Wook chooses Su, more people will be affected. Namely his mother, Yeon Hwa, their Hwangbo clan. That's a lot of innocent (minus Yeon Hwa) people to sacrifice (and might be literally) just to save Su. Goryeo is a vicious place to be, hence if he had to choose, he'd rather save a lot of people than just one.

I don't know, but I think if I were in Su's place and Wook decided to save me and let his mother to die, I'd feel such bitter taste in my mouth. Moreover, I don't think a relationship built on such bloody foundation will last. In the end, the others will just die in vain.

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Having seen something of the modern equivalent of such marriages (as in, ones where women have married men with families that were hostile to them for assorted birth/economic status-related reasons, which is the closest thing we have to a potential Su/Wook marriage), I'd say it's pretty bad when the chips are down and the new daughter-in-law is the one who takes second place in her own marriage.

Things are a-ok as long as there is no conflict, but if and when that hits, I'd much rather be with a man who puts me first instead of one who makes all the promises but still puts me a long way behind his birth family. Assuming, of course, that feelings are reciprocated in both cases.

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"Not sure about you guys but I’d rather marry someone with a sense of responsibility over someone who obsesses unhealthily over me. That’s how stalkers and mental disorders are formed, people!"

This.

Thank you for reminding us of this. So may seem romantic on screen, but off screen, he's someone you wouldn't want to be associated with.

This is why I like Dramabeans, I can actually learn something from the comments while having fun ogling at the hot actors :D

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Not sure about you guys but I’d rather marry someone with a sense of responsibility over someone who obsesses unhealthily over me. That’s how stalkers and mental disorders are formed, people!

Even when that sense of responsibility means you come dead last in his order of priorities (said priorities including a family who are hostile to you/could turn hostile in a heartbeat for their own advantage) but he still won't let you go? Are we that willing to take second/last place in one of the main relationships in our lives?

I had some borderline second lead syndrome too but the minute Wook turned his back on Su in that rain, the Wook/Su relationship was dead to me. She still has feelings for him, but he clearly prioritises self-preservation (which is understandable) and power (not quite as sympathetic) over his relationship with her, such as it is. I mean, even freaking Jung stood by her in the rain and sent her medicine, while Wook....walked away and didn't contact her for a year.

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I don't see So as a obsessed/stalker to be honest. He's been shunned by everyone since childhood - everyone has either been disgusted or scared of him. Because of a(n inconsequential) scar. Now in modern times, thats not really a problem, some would even find it cool..but in that time period, i can understand why So so desperately clings on to the only person who sees him for him.

For me, So>Wook in any time period. Not just because Jun Ki is hot as hell but also because he seems to be more willing to go the extra mile for the girl he loves. I understand Wook needs to protect his mother and sister. What I didn't like is how he completely and utterly cut Soo off - "the King will not approve". Seriously? You didn't even try! there could be ways, Wook. So, on the other hand said to Taejo, outright that he would just do what he wanted.

You can't say So could have a change of heart and abandon her just because he is more aggressive in his relationships than Wook. I do believe he has his own values - he was nice to that awful mother of his for years despite her nasty attitude. He also said he realises he is nothing without Soo, so i don't see that ship headed the wrong way.

Can i just express my utter disappointment and frustration with Soo here though. She seems so resigned to her fate, so accepting of her suffering, putting her happiness away. How does this make her different from a regular ancient girl? Whats the actionable/emotional value added by her being a modern character? Nada. Fight for what you believe in girl! Fight for So and your freedom. Jeez. Such a waste.

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Can't tell if I'm telling something people already know (sorry if it is) but laundry girl is the most blandest position and is one of the more labor intensive than a regular servant. It washes/tires people out because the garbs back then were just so darn heavy.
Hence my prediction is that Hae Su was just so tired out from doing laundry and so I think she clings onto to the thoughts of Wook and everyone else since her surroundings are somber. And in that way, the rain scene was probably something engraved in her mind (even if they don't show it). The more emotional memories are ones that a person definitely remembers vividly and so with all the events that have been happening to Su, I can't fault her for not wanting to wait for Wang So. What if something dire was to happen to him? She already lost Lady Oh. Su knows that So will eventually becomes king, but if she were take the initiative with him she might cause him to lost his position or so she thinks. The king was telling her that she shouldn't alter history (go sit back and observe) and in that way it suggests her position is that of a bystander, diminishing her self-worth/effort to do something.
Also I think her having suicidal thoughts or appearing to desire a suicide in the beginning of the show suggests that she's relapsing into negative thoughts of herself and the situation she is put in. Doesn't help that Wook is like that one time you were given a hamburger with no meat, soggy buns and thin lettuces.

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Bananachocolate, " Doesn’t help that Wook is like that one time you were given a hamburger with no meat, soggy buns and thin lettuces."....LOL....

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The person who I hate the most in this episode is Su. First of all, when she was in 21st century, her BF betrayed her with her friend. Once she timetravelled into this century, she fell in love with Wook as if she forgot her past. I know that love is blind but hey, she should have been a bit skeptical about Wook's personality at that point.
Su was scared with her vision but how come she firmly believes that her vision is accurate. There are so many reasons that she should be skeptical of her vision. It just does not make sense.
She does not have a high IQ nor EQ!!! How frustrating!! Her stupidity can tire out even So who is willing to do anything for her.

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I too fail to understand why Soo would favor the selfish Wook over the selfless So. Especially for someone with 21st century sensibilities.

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Feelings are odd ducks, you can't control who you have them for.

Based on their demeanour alone, I can totally get why a 21st century girl would initially go for Wook over So. Not to say it's a great decision, but the gentlemanly, charming responsible one vs obsessive wounded bad boy with poor social skills and real trouble telling friendship from love (when a girl is involved)? No contest.

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It is beautiful how the writer compare and contrast Wook and So, as now they are at the same life intersection. Weighing side by side between love and family and disability to betray blood. One, raised as a cast out now ready to claim what suppose to be his too, another raised as a privileged, even in the short time he had been a cast out, someone always there to swoop him back to where he belong, now cautious for every steps he take even to the point of sacrificing his own sister as a safety net.

How far them two had become.

It is sad that they have to do this is such a short series of episode. So much characters but only one that pretty much the main attraction, LJG. Thus the dizzying time warp of one year.

I think the assassination plot serve only as a device to skip the history. In reality, Mu suppose to hold the throne for 3 years if I'm not wrong, he's sick and passed away. Then Yo suppose to be the replacement but didn't have the support from military. Then Wook's son was suppose to be the one that So executed not Wook himself. So I believe the assassination is a reason for So and Mu to take out Yo and Wook in a couple episodes.

I think Su's diminishing proactivity resulted from losing two of her closest kin (Lady Hae and Lady Oh. Can you imagine losing your mother twice?), losing her anchor Wook, and feeling helpless as she watch the history just unfold regardless of what she did. I even think that she was afraid to even think anymore, thus her lack of inner voice.

She was ready to give up, as she was ready for So to swept her off the palace. Anything but to be in a place that reminded of everything she lost. But once again, when that gate cracked open, another voice crying for her help. This time, the king himself. She was tired of being the sacrificial lamb for everyone, yet knowing how she is, she cannot just walk away and live with that guilt hanging over her head.

And this episode showed how exhausted she is to the point of questioning Wook audibly and taking his bait, or more likely clinging on his bait. It hurts, but it's still something. Unfortunately she didn't see how jaded Wook had already become.

I think the king also taking a safe gamble by testing So. Now either Mu or So, if one of them is on the throne and the other on its side he wouldn't have to be worry that the kingdom he sacrificed so much for will be in ruin. He was holding on to Mu because Mu was the only one he trusted (although barely, but barely was better than none), now that candidate B had stepped up, he finally put every chess piece on its designated spot. He was full of vengeance after all. He wouldn't let Evil Queen's extension to ruin what is his, not after forcing him to let Lady Oh go.

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What I find totally disturbing is Princess Yeonhwa entertaining the thought of marrying her half siblings!!! Ugh!!!!

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Based on history, marrying relatives is common in ancient time

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Ewww for us :p

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Ya know, that's how royalties are all over the world. That's how one family control the Europe. England, Spain, French, Italy all come from the same family with cousins marry cousins, half siblings, step siblings, and for Egypt, full siblings. Just daily shenanigans of ancient blue bloods.

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That's just how things were in those days. They kept the royal blood in the family. The Wang clan ruled Goryeo for over 400yrs. (from beginning to end)

Yeon-hwa is so darn clever and fearless that her own half brother finds her fascinating.

When Wang-yo told her that he will divorce his wife for her once he becomes king, she calls him out on it. She knows that there is no way he is going to do it because she is the left prime minister's daughter. He is his strongest ally who is going to help him sit on the throne.

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Actually, some Chinese tribes back in the day would marry their own relatives as they believe that would preserve the blood line of their clans. A child whose parents are from different clans are thought to be 'tainted'.

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Based on what is known, she DID marry her half brother. Or more correctly, Wang So married his half sister. We are modern time people so we base our views on our modern day values and principles. We keep forgetting that this story is set a good few centuries ago, when to marry your sibling was the means to an end - to keep their legacy in the family. Well, they didn't know much genetics back then. Oh, and I am sure they would be appalled by our morals, values and principles too.

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I was completely OK with her wanting to marry So, in terms of the half-sibling thing, considering the fact that they haven't really spent alot of time together compared with the other princes. What I cannot accept is that she is actively persuing someone she wants because she is "still a woman", after ruining her brother's chances with the woman he loves. um hello gurl but if you haven't noticed your brother is "still a man" too other than being a prince. I can't help feeling that she's being super hypocritical and that she completely deserves So's rejection.

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Exactly my thoughts re Su. She is TOO EXHAUSTED of it all, and she want's nothing but to feel nothing at all.

Su seems that she has fully acknowledged the fact that she's living in that era and has forgotten that you know, she is a "modern" girl. I kind of wanted her to remember who she really is and where she's from and realize that these all shall pass. She can't change the future of Korea, can she? Because technically, everything has happened already. That's why everyone's telling her that she should do nothing (to change the future). Though from all that she has experienced here, she will be able to change her would be future, if she ever comes back again to her present life.

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*She can't change HISTORY (to be exact)

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Thanks, Blargh, for the eloquent overview. It would be nice if you could travel back in time, and hand it out to the characters, to give them clarity of purpose.

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Aww, thank you (blush)

I am entertaining that thought, but to be a replacement for Soo I would only do it in certain condition :

1. If Wang So have in par quality of Joon Gi oppa in charisma, intellect, physical prowess, and puppy dog eye.
2. If I can tell Wang Wook to suck his own d* -- oops, sorry got carried away for a sec -- stop being a pus** and get on with it already. (personally I don't blame his decision on the sticking with his family, I applaud him for that. I blame him for still dangling carrot in front of doe-i Soo and telling Lady Hae that he will treat Soo better, not like how he treat her, seriously? That in itself is an insult).
3. And last but not least, can I be BFF with two sword wielding gals Soon Duk and Woo Hee? We'll be Wang's angels instead of Charlie's angels and kicked those spoiled princes' ass

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The contrast between So and Wook really struck me as well. Wook walked away when Su was bullied only to sneak back and see her under the cover of the night. So announces that he misses Su unprompted and offers to help her escape immediately after seeing her condition while Wook states that the current political climate prevents him from even asking the King to let her go. So tries and comforts Su by lightheartedly contending that she's better at physical labour anyway and lets her know she's beautiful when he sees her hands are worse for wear. Wook lets Su know that her poor health just makes him feel sorrier toward himself.

There was some serious projection when Wook argued that So was offering an empty marriage proposal and that Su's current situation was because she had been caught up in his axis. Umm I'm pretty sure from memory Wook, that it was your sister who setup Su in an attempt to eliminate her and get you to pursue the Crown that resulted in Su's current state. The one you're unable to forgive is yourself, so stop projecting your messed up guilt unto So.

Finally, I think it's interesting how amidst Wook's quiet pursuit of the Crown, So's actively being recognised as King material by both Su and his father and is having to vocally denounce his interest as every turn.

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Totally agree with your assessment of Su having difficulty working through the heartache of losing her main supporters. It's obvious she's done and is asking for someone to stick a fork in her. It was great to see some of her old self with the glaring and letting Prince So know what's up.

I enjoyed the dark side of 8th Prince Wook in this episode. Looking forward to seeing how the writers carry on with this character.

Princess Yeonhwa is feeling the pressure of Wooks anger and now knows just what he expects of her...what happened to that confident smug face she pulled in the last episode (I really wanted to slap her face!) now she's running scared to Prince So who she knows can stand up to the evil queen AND her brother if need be. Her marriage proposal may seem sudden, but the writers firmly established her jealousy towards Su and the great relationships she formed with the Princes. I've sensed from the beginning that Princess Yeonhwa sees the Princes as chess pieces, being the only "girl" maybe she's felt like she's being replaced in their hearts by Su. The marriage between her Highness and Su is an obvious fact, can't wait to see how she manipulates people to make it happen.

I'm sure I wasn't alone screaming at the screen "take that you coward!" when Prince Su put Wook in his place after he tried to place the blame of So's situation on Su...Wook was reminded of Court Lady Oh's admonishment..."you can't save anyone"

Favorite line this episode: "Your uselessness makes me shake in anger" BOOM! Wook is in for an @$$ whoppin in the near future.

As ever, I'm still upset that important scenes are missing in the international version...looking for a good site to see the original with eng subs.

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Favorite line this episode: “Your uselessness makes me shake in anger” BOOM! Wook is in for an @$$ whoppin in the near future.

My favorite line is after Wook asked Su if her leg bothers her. "Only when I'm near water."

I laughed. What a perfect passive-aggressive reply! "Your dad gave me a job IN A STREAM! Of course my legs bug me all the dang time, you noob!"

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"My favorite line is after Wook asked Su if her leg bothers her. 'Only when I’m near water.'

I laughed. What a perfect passive-aggressive reply! 'Your dad gave me a job IN A STREAM! Of course my legs bug me all the dang time, you noob!'"

Yes, this was awesome! Do you think she meant it as a dig? Can everything she said to Wook in that meeting be interpreted that way--as a reproach?

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Exactly, my first thought was 'isn't she a WATER maid?' Like damn that basically means her leg aches 24/7!

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I really like your view on the king's reasoning. When he suddenly became happy that So grew some ”I defy you” balls, I realised that he had been testing probably his son for a long time and he sent him as an ambassador for some kind of training. But I like even more your reasoning - the king knew that mother and son had a dire relationship, so his son would never get into his mother's machinations - one safe bet to save the CP. The king also let the son stay in the palace, he didn't sent him back to the adoptive family, so he must have had some plans for him, I think. Probably Wang So needed some ”royal education” first.
I think he sent Su out of the palace just to keep her safe, despite the hard labour. The king knew for sure who was behind the poisoning and he saw that Su was the initial scapegoat. As Lady Oh cherished her so much, he sent her away from the palace's threats. Also, there wasn't So, the only one to protect her. (Of course the king must have known that So was the only one to stay next to Su when she pleaded for Lady Oh's life).
I may read too much and I may put too much faith into the King, but he was the father of a new country. His hands were tied by his political alliances with the important clans, but he should have been capable of at least this much scheming.

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@Adam I love your take on the kings involvement. It’s making me wonder if the king deliberately sent So away because he didn’t want So being raised by the Evil Queen. He probably knew that the Evil Queens family was politically strong and So as a part of that clan could gain their support for the throne and not bring his mother’s evil like Yo would.

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Exactly, as a father of new nation he had a loooot to think about. To be able to reign for that long with no civil war was a feat, especially with too much drama around himself.

I think whatever he is doing is all deliberate, and Ji Mong was there to help every step of the way. I have a feeling as to what he got in store of Soo, he might want to install Soo in So's side just like he had Ji Mong oracle ability.

The fact that Ji Mong was already there ever since they all were small might have a connection with him sending So away and having Soo present on every major implication.

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Why can't Su realize that she's slowly falling in love with So? All those voice over of "Why is it that I can't let you go and ignore you?, "Please don't abandon yourself for me" and her words of concern whenever she's having conversation with Su--- Argh! she's the one who cannot differentiate friendship and love! She's so slow and I'm starting to get frustrated by Su.

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Oh man, initial thoughts. I thought this was such a good GREAT episodes, with important character growth and plot movement forward. I understand many shippers are upset (man that Soompi thread was hysterical this morning), but honestly I feel like Hae Su and Wang So’s relationship is so deeply romantic that while the pacing is agonizing, I’m totally balls deep, emotionally that is.

Point 1 - So JiMong tells our girl that she’s not suppose to say goodbye to any of the princes and what does she do? FINDS Wang So tell him that she’s leaving. Aiiiish, both of them are so bad at obeying palace orders. Even in this talk with Wang So, she’s careful with her words, but she’s clearly been shaken by his actions: the poison, the bold sword fighting at her hanging, the rain shield. I mean, homeboy STEPPED UP. I don’t think it was as simple as gratitude. Why didn’t she tried to find Wook to have a sweet good bye? Wook was ostensibly a safer goodbye since he made no overtures for her safety and thus not under palace scrutiny. Instead our girl was like, um, I wanna see the dude that I got kicked out of the palace. I think she also knew deep down that even as Wang So got exiled because of her, he still wouldn’t be mad at her. Since this is before the year-long exile for Wang So, homegirl had no clue that he would be gone for so long.

Point 1.5 - That Wook “I missed you” scene was so TRIFLING. He said that he missed her everyday, but you don’t nearly seen the loss on Hae Su’s face. She just smiles, and it was mad bitter because the follow up to “I missed you everyday” is “why the hell didn’t you come see me?” Wook then walks away being like “oh you made me feel bad.” PFFTTTT EFF OFF DOOD.

Point 1.75 - When Hae Su gets pulled by the other water maids, drinking haterade, it’s the writer drawing a parallel between Hae Su and Wang So. Now they both have the reputation of being bad luck and brining ill fortune onto people. When we, dear audience, know that truly, they’re on more of a legendary trajectory than a humble one.

Point 2 - Waiiiiiii never has hanging laundry been more tragi-romantic. Hae Su is straight up about to cry when she realizes that Wang So was real and not a figment of her imagination. This kind of leads me to believe that Hae Su has probably been fantasizing about our dark prince since he’s been gone and that’s why she was on the verge of tears. It almost like a moment (if the relationship were further along), she would have been teuchin’ his face ands stuff. I mean, you see how she truly feels about his mental state, she’s worried that he’s reverting back to the angry mensch before she turned him on to BB cream. But he says, no, it was just a way to remember her. Even when she’s yelling at him, it’s not bitterness or anger, she’s truly frightened. She’s seen FIRST HAND how it went down for Lady Oh when she tried to protect Hae Su from the palace. And now her best friend/(secretly lover prince) is offering the EXACT same thing,...

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TLDR ahah

the same kind protection that gets you killed in the palace? Oh Hae No, (hah, I made a pun), she spurned him with some b.s. reasons but we all know where her heart really is.

Point 3 - Hae Su entertained the proposal. Fully. I know she did because IU did her super huge doe-eye blink. And if it was not for the king telling her that she has to be around to observe and not interfere with the fate of Wang So. She entertained it because Wang So offered her freedom, all that she has wanted when they first met, and her modern sensibilities of being an independent person not under the subjugation of any royal decree. Wang So understands that about her. She almost said yes, because it would solve all of her currently problems. But because of the King’s conversation, she says no, she must stay in the palace, which is verbatim, what the King told her to do. Yeah, it sucks, but I think there are many things at play with

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I truly want to vote up your comments!

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agree on all your points! kudos! til next episode!

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+10000 Knocked it out of the park with your analysis, as usual!

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Great analysis.

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soompi was in an uproar!

but i loved the laundry scene. It truly seemed like she was missing him and she was shocked that he was finally finally finally back.

the girl has been missing our boy! ... it took 12 episodes but we are finally moving

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Soompi is the hive for dead-serious idol fans. It's hard to mess with those fans, they'll go through hell and high water for their idols. Pretty scary threats happen in Soompi at times. But its a knack to read their comments!

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Really? I have been meaning to make an account there but i keep thinking that i shouldn't enable my kdrama obsession any more. But if its all idol fangirls then there is no way i'm logging in.

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Soompi can be fun too! Soompiers manage to get juicy stuff, pics, clips or anything related to a drama. I actually enjoy lurking around on their Kdrama thread.

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I'm sorry but this is the most false statement ever! The Soompi drama forums is home to intelligent and thoughtful drama discussion. It's well moderated and generally troll-free. There are forums for the hardcore idol fans, but that's the thing, they only stay in their forums and it doesn't spill over to the general forum community.

The Moon Lover forums in Soompi has dedicated live recappers, and some interesting contributions from the forumites, such as comparisons to the Chinese version, and the actual historical background (spoiler: Baek-ah's bloodline, not So's reigns until the end of Goryeo). I'm now looking for the original Chinese series, just to see if it really is so much better.

bips99 I encourage you to make an account there and join the fun! Or just lurk and crawl through the content. It's pretty much kdrama crack though ;-)

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Soompi's great, and the people there are so amazingly hardworking with the contributions of videos, gifs, pictures etc. A lot of the comments are remarkably insightful. And the moderators are really good, so no bashing etc.

For the drama threads, the fans are mainly drama fans because you can see them comment on many dramas.

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Soompi forums can be fun because you get a lot of updates, more than you'd get or expect from sites like allkpop, etc. You can also expect some good discussions and live recaps if the drama you're following over there is popular enough. You'll be safe from trolls too.

As for the cons of the forums, I'd say that some people over there taking shipping WAY too seriously, and it can get quite troublesome. Sometimes it leads to behavior that I'm not a fan of and don't agree with at all. Also, the way some people exploded over this episode wasn't pretty to say the least, lol.

But overall, I'd say the pros outweigh the cons, especially if you're looking for more drama discussion + news.

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Haha you're right on that one LP! After "Do not quote images" the most frequent mod message I see in Soompi is "Do not let shipping derail the thread/Keep all shipping to the dedicated forums."

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I have to agree with the statement about soompi being for idol fans (lord help you if you criticise their acting on there)..... and also it's worth adding that if you have anything at all critical to say about an actor or a drama, it's an opinion that is distinctly NOT WELCOME.

It's very much a cheerleaders-only kind of forum, but that can be great when the show is a good one. (I always thought one measure of how badly Cheese in the Trap effed up lay in the fact that even the soompi thread on the drama was full of 'wtf is this @#%*!' comments - something that never happens, ever)

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At last, someone who truly understands HS state of mind!!!! I got exhausted just WATCHING the events around HS, can you imagine her trauma?? She put all heart in everything she did, she has nothing left. The time jump was necessary because all she probably did was be bullied in a zombie-like manner. HS, I feel like crying just thinking about her plight.

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"she’s worried that he’s reverting back to the angry mensch before she turned him on to BB cream"

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Dat BB cream tho, super powerful anger solvent.

Did anyone notice when LJG steps away from Su before he left? He looked very vampiric, with pale face and red lips.

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Think homegirl doesn't want sappy goodbye with Wook and she probs want to exact revenge on him for walking away in the cold nipple raising rain.

Nah, I think Su confide more comfortably with So because he's been there done that. Wook, well, he never got exiled by himself, he had the comfort of his family, especially his mother. Sooo, what can he offer?

In a year, Jesus really a year without any visit and she still hanging on to Wook? She's so using Wook as a shield from falling right into So's hand.

So is the definition of bad boy Goryeo style, finely aged with smooth finishing. Wook, is a coke, maybe even flat coke, no more fizzy and all sugar dump. It's time to be a grown lady, Su, take a sip of that high quality wine and leave the soda to kids.

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ROFL!!!!! I died laughing at your awesome comments!!!

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".....no more fizzy and all sugar dump."
LOL leave soda and sugar to kids

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+1000!!!

Hahaha, I love your commentary! Wine vs coke! LOLLLLLLL

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I'll buy into Su's limp as a methaporic stance on how her heart is dealing with the loss and heartbreak of Court Lady Oh and Wook's deliberate attempt to be the jerk of all seasons.

21st century Su died with that last emoji \^0^/
I can't believe she lost all that sass she had with her. Heads was on-point in really stating the obvious. We need 21st century Su back. Give her a gaddamn handyphone with data so she can Google her way out of her own misery.

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"leave the soda to the kids."

LOLLL! your comment is gold.

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In a year, Jesus really a year without any visit and she still hanging on to Wook?

That was in Goryeo, about 1000 years ago. Everything happened at snail and tortoise pace, there were no cars, no trains, no planes, no TV, no mobile phones, no internet, and not much entertainment. It was very unlike our modern age of instant gratification and speedy romance.
They wrote poems to express love in a roundabout manner, then patiently waited for the response to
come back after days, weeks, months or even years. People were less fickle minded, they could be so obsessed about love that people did die of lovesickness. Therefore, it is not surprising that after one year of no visit, no contact and no progress, our So and Wook were back to square one, and fighting over Su all over again.

Even if the time lapse had enabled our cool baddie Goryeo boy So to mature into that flavorsome and aromatic aged wine, and that spineless Wook to fizzle out like a flat coke, our stubborn lady still preferred to drink tea, sigh.

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"Even if the time lapse had enabled our cool baddie Goryeo boy So to mature into that flavorsome and aromatic aged wine, and that spineless Wook to fizzle out like a flat coke, our stubborn lady still preferred to drink tea, sigh."

OMg! this crack me up so much :'D
Perhaps the person that haesoo needs is a tea person

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So, Uncle Iroh then? Not Prince Zuko.

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lol..
Quote from Uncle Iroh: "I know your not supposed to cry over spilled tea, but [cries] it’s just so sad"
So could go cry over spilled wine and Wook over spilled coke. (╥_╥)

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Tea?? Remember the last time she interact with tea? her favorite person got hanged, she got beaten to pulps, the aged wine reeked blood, and the flat coke turned diet.

I think she got nuff tea for a decade at least.

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Your comment made my day. Hahahah

"It's time to be a grown lady, Su"

I do hope tonight's episode is that time.

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Yaaaaassss!!!!! I have been waiting for this all night. Off to read???

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Soooo fast Heads, lol. Did you even sleep? Haha youre even faster than the subbing team. LOL. Thank youuuuu!

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OMG NOOO NOT BAEK HA

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The 10th prince should have been killed off first...

And..how did Woo Hee and Su meet? Did I miss out on another edited version?

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apparently, they met 1 year ago, when haesoo just got to gyobang? and somehow they share common feelings and become bff
why? because the plot said so --' everything happened offscreen and here we have a formed relationship
if they so dire to have that friendship, then put in a flashback, or some scene to form the friendship, instead we have scene of 10th prince (that is like a total different drama to everyone else)

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Since important details like this happen off screen, am I safe to assume that Woo Hee and Su met in Gyobang while secretly munching on a Subway deli? Because a kdrama isnt complete without ppl Subway. Hah.

On a more serious note, I cannot believe they opted not to show us how they met!!! And in return I get a stupid 10th prince looking like a life size emoji. Ugh. SMH.

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hahaha
might as well add coffee :)
yea, the director and editor weird choice of putting scenes together, opting out the ones that connect the story

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I was wondering if I had missed the scene where HaeSoo and WooHee met. Your comment hints that all the viewers missed that scene. It is probably lying on the cutting room floor.

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Hey don't forget that Su and Baek-ha also became BFFs offscreen so it's just fair that the same happens with Woo-hee. Su's a shy girl y'know, they wanted to give the poor girl some privacy and have her make friends when nobody's watching. ?

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At least there's 1 flashback for baekah and su development, we got none for woohee, I guess woohee is less of an important character in comparison to baekah huh?

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i know there's a kiss scene in the next ep between baek ah and woo hee.. (from the damn spoiler on the web)

before even watching this ep.. i was wondering how fast could their development be that meeting 3 time and kissing in 2 ep later.?

but the 1 year skip seems to make sense.. i guess baek ah had been coming to teach and getting close to woo hee while all in her mind was preparing her assassination .. (though they never show any flashback.. but baek ah did know she was a dancer there on ep10 during their 3rd encounter.. during the skip, most likely they got closer too)

actually im more interested in knowing the prince development with Su

but seems like crown prince, 3rd and 9th and 10th definitely didnt contact her

as for 4th, he was send away so cant be helped..

8th was only there after a year?!

14th had been there, sending medicine somemore (so sweet)

13th idk, but i think since he's at there with woo hee.. he definitely had met with Su..

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Maybe i'm one of the minority here. But i think how Su and WooHee met is somehow irrelevant for me. I don't even think that they're BFFs. They're just an acquaintance who happen to have a common person who happen to be very close to both of them.

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I completely agree. It would only make sense that they somehow meet. Soo is a laundry maid in the gibang that Wohee works and lives in. That was one connection they didn't need a whole lot of elaboration on.

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So the thing is, placement of 10th prince scene is different in itnernational and raw version.

In one version, it happens earlier when they are showing progress after 1 year - sort of showing snippets of everyone's life and where they have moved to in this 1 year.

But in another version, it comes straight up after some serious conversation and breaks the flow..

Not saying, there is a very smooth flow to this episode to begin with..but ya whatever..

My two realizations:
1. Watch scenes with LJK, rewatch scenes with LJK, keep watching scenes with LJK - Rest of the actors - My humble dedication - I tried so hard by linking park.. that it doesn't even matter

2. IU has such b'ful eyes (not sure why it took me 12 hours to realize it.. but whatever) .. anime eyes.. doll eyes.. actually she is very doll like..

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