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Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo: Episode 17

It’s lonely up at the top, and no one’s coming to realize that more than So. Everyone’s becoming increasingly more isolated with all the major changes taking place within the palace, and friends seem to be in short supply. Loyal family members are in even shorter supply. But there’s always love, and these two better relish it while they still can.

 
EPISODE 17 RECAP

After telling Su of his desire to become king, So manages a smile as he asks, “Why, do you not want me to become king?” Su says she doesn’t, but that she hates the idea of being separated from him even more.

“You will become king,” she tells him. “I know that.” But concern floods her expression as she implores him to not kill his brothers, to which he nods his head in agreement, taking her hands in his.

March of 949, one year later.

The palace gates are closed against the sound of a revolt let by So, as Su nervously tends to the king. He swats away the tea she offers, claiming it’s poison, but then he decides to blame his entire situation on her.

According to King Jeongjong, the reason he’s plagued by the ghosts of Hyejong, Eun, Soon-deok, and even King Taejo is because she helped So to cover up his scar. Because So was able to then take what was rightfully his, he’s ended up like this.

Queen Sinmyeongsunseong rushes in to declare that So’s leading a revolt. She pleads with her son to put it to paper that he’ll be abdicating the throne to Jung, since they can’t lose the throne.

“Then… what will become of me? Am I even your son? What am I to you, Mother? Just something that exists to sit on the throne?” Jeongjong cries as he says this, the realization hitting hard. Despite her pleads to the contrary, he now claims to finally understand So, and orders his mother to be taken away.

Su turns to leave, but the king rises on shaky legs to advance menacingly toward her.

Unlike the evil queen, Queen Sinjeong is much more levelheaded about what’s to come, and though she says she’ll follow Princess Yeonhwa’s lead, she tells her daughter that there was something she never taught her: “If you want to become master of the palace, you must be willing to give something up.”

She tells Yeonhwa that she could give up love in order to have the world at her fingertips, or have love, but not the world. “What if I want the whole world?” the princess asks haughtily. To that, her mother can only say that she will cast Wook aside, presumably in order to survive.

Alongside Grand General Park and Baek-ah, So leads an impressive number of forces to storm the palace gates. But before they can advance, Princess Yeonhwa comes out to meet them, accompanied by only a few soldiers.

“I will help you enter the palace without any bloodshed,” she says, the gate open behind her. So says he won’t forget what she’s done, and the men behind him cheer.

King Jeongjong starts laughing as the sounds come ever nearer, though tears fill his eyes as he pours his soul out to Su. “What have I done so wrong?” I was afraid that I would be cast aside as well, just like So was.” Sounding like a lost little boy, he says that his mother told him he wasn’t lacking.

But then he pivots back to blaming Su for everything, throwing her to the ground in the process. As he coughs from his mysterious illness, he begins to write the decree his mother wanted, but with a twist: Su gets to pick the next king. Yes, really.

Before she can answer, and with the sounds drawing ever nearer, Jeongjong writes his answer and holds it out to Su in shaking hands. But then he chokes, coughs, smiles just a little, and promptly collapses. In voiceover, we hear him say, “I was just trying to survive.”

Su cries in fear as the king’s dead eyes stare up at her. So bursts in, takes stock, and quickly reads what the king left behind. After asking Su if she’s read it, he tears it up.

Queen Sinmyeongsunseong comes in to see her son dead. Su drops to her knees to pay her greetings to the new king, So, with the traditional cries of “Manseh! Manseh! Manseh!” So claims that the king abdicated to him before he died, which is all everyone else needs to hail him as king.

Cut to: So being officially crowned as KING GWANGJONG, fourth king of Goryeo (but for ease of use, we’ll stick to calling him So). And Su, no longer dressed as a court lady, smiles to see him in his kingly robes as she thinks to herself that he’ll no longer be remembered for leaving a bloody trail behind his ascent to the throne. “I will help you,” she adds, smiling at him.

We finally get a glimpse of Wook as he broods over his mother’s warnings for him to distance himself from the royal family—their own family will push to have a queen in the palace instead of a king now.

Princess Yeonhwa asks her brother why he didn’t attend the coronation, but he calls her cruel for wanting him to see So on a seat he desperately wanted for himself. All his best laid plans went to waste, since So became the hero who brought down the traitor (Jeongjong) instead of him.

Despite that, Yeonhwa still pleads for his support. If he helps her to become queen, she promises to repay him for all the pain he’s suffered. But she can’t seem to get a reaction—positive or negative—out of him.

So reads through kingly missives until he arrives at one asking for the capital to be moved to Seokyeong (which was Jeongjong’s original plan). But So orders a stop to be put to all the construction, declaring that the capital will stay exactly where it is.

Once he hears that Su is waiting for him, So enters his quarters to find her sleeping sitting up against his bed. He apologizes for making her wait, and shares his kingly dinner with her and Baek-ah, who keeps referring to him formally as “Your Majesty” despite So telling him to just call him “hyung-nim” when they’re alone.

Since Baek-ah replied with the incredibly formal “Your grace is immeasurable” when So put a bit of meat on his rice, Su pranks him by sneaking another piece of protein onto Baek-ah’s plate, prompting the same knee-jerk reaction from Baek-ah. She and So have a good laugh at Baek-ah’s expense.

So is genuinely happy to be sharing a meal with them, seeming more at ease than he’s ever been before. Later, Su approaches him as he sleeps and tucks him in, though he wakes suddenly from a nightmare, calling her name.

When he comes to his senses, he immediately pulls her into an embrace: “I thought you were gone.” She tells him that she won’t leave until he’s asleep, but instead, he pulls her down into the bed with him. “We can just sleep together,” he proposes, though she leaves the warmth of his arms.

She’s afraid of rumors spreading, though he isn’t, and doesn’t want her to leave him alone. He feels suffocated by the specters of those who’ve slept in this room before him, and asks her to stay with him. Then, like a little boy, he snuggles up to her with his head in her lap, asking for her to tell him a story.

She decides to tell him the story of “Little Red Riding Hood,” which he falls asleep to. In the morning, Su wakes up in his bed to find him gone. We cut to her confiding in Woo-hee later, though Woo-hee warns her to be careful—the king will need a new queen, so everyone will have their eyes on her.

She’s called to Queen Sinmyeongsunseong’s quarters only to be confronted by Jung with the remnants of the decree So tore up. The queen wants to know if the king truly did name So as his successor, and Su shakily answers that he did. (They couldn’t just… piece together the remnants to find out?)

The evil queen calls Su out on her lies, demanding to know the truth. She’s stopped by So’s intervention, as he pulls Su out of his mother’s grasp and tells her to ask her questions to him directly. When the queen asks why he tore the decree, So denies being the one who did it.

Su’s hand tightens within his own as So claims that Jeongjong definitely gave the throne to him, even though Jung raises the question as to why he’d do that when Jeongjong had a son of his own. “If you are that curious,” So ventures, “do you want to ask him in the afterlife?”

So makes the threat very clear that if Jeongjong hadn’t abdicated to him, then he would have been forced to usurp the throne, which would have been much, much bloodier. He does take issue to his mother refusing to be called Queen Mother though, since she all but disowns him as she calls him a thief who stole the throne from her real son.

After leading Su out by her hand, So tells her that she’s not to heed anyone’s summons without his permission first. Before she can get a word in edgewise, he’s gone.

Astronomer Choi tells the king that there are rumors going around that he fabricated the late king’s final decree and that Jeongjong’s only son should have been king.

But So puts his foot down, and orders that anyone submitting an appeal against him be charged with treason, and to kill everyone associated with the late king. “I shall not let a single soul live,” he adds menacingly.

Minister Park Young-gyu knows he’s soon to be arrested for spreading rumors that So fabricated the late king’s will and plans to take Woo-hee down with him by exposing her as a spy. Instead of letting him do that, she kills him, and he breaks off her norigae ornament as he falls.

This turns out to be a flashback, since we find Woo-hee nervously holding the very same ornament. She grabs it back from Baek-ah when he takes notice of it, but he has other things to focus on, like getting her adopted into a noble family so that they can be married.

They both know that it’s because she’s from Later Baekje, and because Baek-ah’s family has some bad history with Gyeon Hwon, the once-king of the region. A confusing voiceover from Minister Park tells us that Woo-hee is the granddaughter of Gyeon Hwon, and that he foresaw that Baek-ah would be in danger if he were to find out about her true lineage.

She can’t help but note the irony of their situation, in that the king of Goryeo killed her family, while the king of Later Baekje killed his grandmother’s family. But Baek-ah knows that none of that was their fault, and just wants them to focus on being together.

Despite So wanting him to stay close, Grand General Park formally asks to be allowed to retire peacefully to his hometown. He can’t help but be reminded of his daughter every time he looks at So, though he doesn’t seem to blame him for it—he only wishes that So become a good and wise king in his absence.

So tells Su about General Park leaving, before asking her if she’s curious to know whose name was written in the late king’s final decree. Does she think he stole the throne? Su says she couldn’t be any less curious about whose name was there, but So reveals that there wasn’t a name written at all.

Knowing that a blank space would leave the throne open to more fighting and confusion, he ripped it up, which Su commends him for. But then he grows more introspective as he notes how alone he really is—General Park is gone, Baek-ah sees him only as a king now, Jung sees him as a murderer, and his own mother considers him a thief.

“You were right,” he says, tears welling in his eyes. “The throne is frightening and lonely.” As one tear spills down, Su comforts him by telling him that he still has her, and comes to rest her head on his shoulder. “I will not leave you.”

Chae-ryung tells Su that she’ll be among the court ladies released from service now that there’s a new king, though she makes it clear that she doesn’t actually want to leave. She pleads for Su to ask the king to allow her to stay in Damiwon, which is later revealed to be part of ninth prince Won’s plan.

Won clearly wants her to stay in Damiwon as his spy, but Chae-ryung wonders if they shouldn’t use this opportunity (of her being freed) for them to just be together. But Won couldn’t be less interested in Chae-ryung as a free woman, and needs Chae-ryung the spy.

It’s made to seem as if they’re being spied upon themselves, though we don’t see who it is. The quick cut to So looking smug might tell us something, even as he faces off against fourteenth prince Jung and family members from his mother’s side.

They refuse to pledge loyalty to him, and Jung declares that they’ll find out what was really on the late king’s decree before they all leave as a group. Astronomer Choi warns So that it’ll be dangerous to leave the Chungju clan against him, which he can fix by either showing them the decree, or by getting even more powerful families on his side.

But all So can think about is that his mother refuses to acknowledge him as a son to the end. Aw.

Now that Su’s been moved to the king’s quarters, she and Woo-hee prepare food for him as a gift. Woo-hee tries to vaguely ask if actions have consequences—say, if she were to wrong someone else for her own happiness. Would she be forgiven?

Su says that she shouldn’t hurt others just so she can survive, but she wants to believe that the universe would be kinder to the two of them, who’ve had their share of suffering. “Even if we were selfish at times, we’ll be able to be forgiven. I plan on believing that,” she adds.

That night, Su encounters Wook outside, and he has the gall to be upset that she went to So in the end. “Now you are the king’s woman. How am I to accept that?” he asks stoically. Su simply replies that So was honest with her about his greed to have both her and the throne.

“Why is it that you insisted I could not become king? In your eyes, was I not enough to become king?” he asks. She insists it wasn’t like that, explaining that So was born under the star of a king. “It is not your fault,” she adds. “It is only nature taking its course, and it is fate.” So… it’s fate, and it’s fate?

Wook’s offended that she made her decision off what she believes to be fate. He broods in his library later while looking at the bracelet he once gave Su, and flashes back to their fond memories together. Then he shatters the jade pendant on the bracelet.

When Yeonhwa walks in, he tells her that he’ll help her become queen. “No one can have everything. Isn’t that only fair?” Ohh, he just wants revenge on Su. That’s cold.

So writes the verse of the poem Su so loved over and over again, though she doesn’t tell him the reason why she needs so many copies. They act like a normal couple with normal problems, with So smiling widely. But it’s that smile that unsettles Su, and she asks if anything happened to him today.

He denies it, and half-jokingly tells her not to try to know everything about him: “If you keep doing that when we’re not even married, I’ll want to run away.” She pouts that it’s because she spends all day waiting for him, so she’d rather spend her days in Damiwon being productive, at the very least.

She picks that time to bring up Chae-ryung’s plight, and So readily agrees to whatever she asks. When she says that she’d be lonely without Chae-ryung, So tells her that she won’t have to worry about that for long—not if they’re going to have children, anyway.

With a grin, So tells her that she’ll be visited by a doctor soon so she can start taking care of her health for their future children, though Su blusters that they aren’t even married yet. So blinks as though the idea hadn’t quite occurred to him, but he’s more than open to it: “Marriage? We can get married. When should we? Let’s do it when you want to.”

His overeagerness is adorable, but Su complains that the proposal isn’t impressive enough. Hadn’t he planned on proposing to her at the prayer stones? He jokes that he’ll have to come up with a satisfying proposal in order to marry her then, adding that it’s tougher to deal with her than it is to rule a country.

As promised, the royal doctor comes calling, and concludes that Su’s knee may make her unable to walk someday (from being tortured). But there’s a bigger problem in that she has heart palpitations, which has him claiming that all the frustration she’s had in life has caused an illness in both her heart and body.

“At this point,” the doctor says, “I cannot guarantee how long you will live.” (What.) Su blinks at him before flatly asking him to be honest with her about how long she’ll live.

We find her making her own pile of prayer stones later as she prays to just have ten more years, though she knows that she’s asking for a lot. “I want to be with him a little longer,” she all but whispers.

Jung and his sideburns come upon Su and her stones, causing him to wonder if she’s praying for So to live a long life as king. She instead replies that she’s praying for Jung to be her friend again, but he throws back that she once said she wouldn’t take anyone’s side—and then she took So’s.

Su reminds him of what a horrible king Jeongjong was, claiming that So ascending the throne was only natural order. Jung agrees with her there, but says that things only started going wrong when So came to the palace. Plus, he still believes So stole the throne.

He’s also worried about her, since he asks if she really thinks she can become queen. She’d just be one of many women for the king, and he doesn’t think that’s the life she wants, not when she told him of her dreams for the future. “Tell me whenever you get tired of this place. If you really want to leave, I have a way out,” he adds.

Wook pays a visit to the new king, claiming to be a representative of his vassals. He doesn’t waste time before listing the demands of said vassals, who want him to give up his hold on both the military and the treasury. In exchange, they’ll do their jobs and actually show up to court.

But So recognizes his requests for what they are, and plainly says no—by cutting him off from the military and the treasury, he’d be cutting off both his wings. “If you do not want to lose your wings,” Wook says, with a dramatic close-up, “how about your heart?”

That’s when he proclaims that his family requests to be joined with So’s in marriage.

Princess Yeonhwa visits Su, who’s less than happy with her company. But Yeonhwa claims that she’ll accept Su as the king’s woman, since she won’t care about who else he’s with. “What I want is honor and recognition. Also, I want my son on the throne,” Yeonhwa says, before adding with a smile, “I will be marrying His Majesty. I will be the king’s wife. I will be queen.”

With a mirthless smile, Wook tells So that he’ll have support from all the powerful families if he marries Yeonhwa, pointing out that So can’t protect that seat alone. “If you want to sit there for a long time, you need them on your side.”

So says that he already promised to marry someone else, and Wook knows he’s talking about Su. “That girl cannot become a queen,” Wook replies, though So shoots back that he always does what he says he’ll do.

Wook doesn’t need to remind him that she scarred her body to get out of marrying King Taejo, but he does. And they both know that a woman with a scar cannot be allowed to marry the king.

 
COMMENTS

This cliffhanger could’ve done more if events weren’t now tainted with the knowledge that Su is going to die—and though we can hope in vain that the doctor was just misinformed, sageuk doctors are never wrong in their diagnoses unless they’re being paid to lie. So sayeth the rules of Sageuk Dramaland.

And that just really puts a huge damper on everything, not necessarily because Su’s a character who’s earned our emotional investment, but because if there was a light at the end of this long, dark tunnel, it’s effectively gone now. Which isn’t to say that a show can’t be good if it doesn’t end happily, since that would be disingenuous to the generally unhappy spirit of Moon Lovers. My main concern is that the final episode will end with Su dying, and while that in and of itself wouldn’t be a terrible ending, the idea that we’ve been forewarned takes the dramatic tension away. Now we’ll just be waiting for the other shoe to drop.

I’m sincerely hoping that the next episode will put all my fears to rest about us spending this show’s last hours with Su being a noble idiot and hiding her illness, so I’ll table those concerns until we have a better idea of how she plans to deal with this news. It’d be nice if she helped us out by giving us even an inkling of how she really feels, but we got no information from her during the scene where she was told she didn’t have long to live, and having her calmly praying for ten more years made it all seem like a nonevent. Even though it is, and I’m sure it’ll be an even bigger one when it matters.

I wish I could tell what it is that made So’s coronation feel like just as much of a nonevent, despite the fact that it all happened so quickly. Having Jeongjong just die of unknown reasons before So barged in was a bit of a letdown, though maybe that’s just because we jumped a year ahead and suddenly So was waiting with an army at the gates to take over the palace. And all Jeongjong could do was blame Su for everything that ever happened, because he was crazy.

It was even more of a missed opportunity to keep Wook completely out of the events leading up to So’s coronation, just because I feel like we could’ve mined a lot more dramatic tension if So had a worthy rival. But since we didn’t, and since So seemed to become king in a vacuum, we instead got that really bizarre scene with So threatening to kill everyone who didn’t agree with his reign. It was an extreme character shift for him, and it would’ve been slightly more palatable had the show at all carried through with it—but instead we continued on as though it never happened.

It’s disappointing that So would devolve into mindless violence the second he got on the throne, because now more than ever is the time for him to play politics, and he’ll find himself outclassed by someone like Wook unless he gets his head in the game. But then I suppose his threats really didn’t matter when he didn’t carry through with them (at least as far as we know), so maybe we can just chalk it up to him learning on the job.

While it was strange to see Bloodthirsty So immediately followed by Puppy So, there was at least some solace to be found in So and Su’s scenes together, though it did feel like we were on borrowed time. I really wish that So could prove everyone wrong and not suffer the same constraints as those who’ve come before him, but things are admittedly looking a little bleak right now. But it’s not the end yet, and if this show has taught us nothing else, it’s that being king turns people into lunatics, and everything can change in an instant. In the meantime, I’ll start collecting prayer stones.

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Gaaaaah!!

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This pretty much sums up the entire moon lovers viewing experience.

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+1 I don't know what To feel for this show.

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Punctuated with plenty of "Lee Jun-ki is sooooo pretty", and "Wow, look at his jawline."

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Along with, damn his eyeliner game is strong.

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Hey, at least you form actual words while thinking about him.

I'm just reduced to mentally dropping to the floor because /swoon

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It's like this show can irk me to the core, but like an ex-boyfriend that I know is not good for me, I keep coming back. I'm obsessed with it...but I don't even know why?! I can't even pinpoint what it is I like about this show, I'm so drawn to it. It's like I WANT MORE, but it can be so frustrating. It's a love/hate relationship. 20 episodes is not enough for everything that happens; I think that's where they eff'd up on the show...it needs to at least be 24 episodes to fill in all the holes. *siiigh* but what can I do except just watch it and take it all in.....

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Exactly

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*hands over a bucket to pull over the head to muffle the screams of frustration* you can scream inside this. Anyone else need one?

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Give me a dozen please, else I'll shout right next to Wook's ear. Or Yeon Hwa's. Or Jung's. Or whoever's NOT ON THE SOSOO SHIP RIGHT NOW-just... gimme the bucket...

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bucket pls! I usually watch kdrama on my way to the office, normally on the train since everyone is minding their own business anyway but I recently stopped doing this or watching Scarlet in public spaces because of the sheer amount of emotions (from flailing to frustration to flailing) I feel every episode. The drama isn't perfect but its addicting.

I think this epi got the edit (not necessarily storytelling) correctly this time. Less unnecessary dead center CU and more MS and LS that relates the spaces of each characters to one another.

I feel that if Wang So's edict of killing everyone associated with the late king came after Jung's withdrawal of support and Wook cornering him into marrying Yeon Hwa, it would make better sense but because his edict came right after his argument with his mother, I'm inclined to think that he's just lashing out. I thought we're getting a better king out of him? or maybe sitting in the throne is just driving everyone mad but its too early to go mad.

If Wang So married Hae Soo before he ascended in the throne will the rule that a girl must not have a scar on his body still applies?

I feel like we're really following the ending of C-version and the history? Pls no. I have never wished for a Happy ending for a drama this much.

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There's mercury in the chair.

That's why all the Kings go mad.

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I think it's because they marry their own. Incest is wincest.

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Gah indeed, especially when Soo could save everything just by telling Evil Dowager Queen (she ranked up) the real reason why Yo did what he did without revealing too much.

This what should go down.

EDQ :TELL ME THE TRUTH!
Little Jafar (LJ) :Yes, Soo, we can protect you.
HS : dkjfasdfjosidh
EDQ :TELL ME!
HS: you know what fuq this shit, you want to know the truth!!
EDQ LJ : Yes finally, something to bring down So.
HS: Well you in for a surprise, bitches! Yo abdicated because you came barging in to your sick son's quarter forcing him to abdicate to Little Jafar with Grease sideburn here.

Yes, Jung, your mother didn't beg to your brother. She plain force him to tattoo your name to the placard, technically casting him aside as a useless pawn.

LJ : no...

EDQ: Shut her up!

HS : Hells no, the dam is broken lady! Yo told me that he understand So know that he is in his shoes. Now Jung whatchagonnado? You want the truth right? Your mother forced a heart attack on your own brother.

So came in :WHAT IS....this?

Soo's and EDQ WWE unfold

Soo : BODY SLAM YA WRETCHED WITCH! HEAD BUTT!!

LJ : ????asdkfjashdfljashd.

So with that glassy eyes, he just fallen deeper in love with Soo.

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dude...you should lower your ganja level already. lmao

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Deabak

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Times ten. Times twenty. In spades. With bells on.
I was clinging to this show because of the amazing job Lee Jun Ki is doing...but when they make his character completely irrational, and continue chopping up scenes and correlations into some sort of Sageuk Cobb Salad, so you can't follow what is happening and why and what he's doing and why and is it all because of the Kingly Chair of Doom...
I'm just going to go take my salad and cry in a corner now.

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of all the dramas i've seen in recent memory, this one may have to be the epitome of telling instead of showing. the most annoying effect of this is the useless time skips where all this important stuff happens OFF SCREEN and the effects are only told after the fact. like soo and wook finally (?! it's been like 17 damn episodes and supposedly years since they stopped loving each other) getting rid of the bracelets. it's a flashback. wook's family telling him they won't support him becoming king? flashback. it takes all the impact out because it happened and now we're just getting told that it did when wook is all mopey and dumb in the dark of his room after the fact.

AND THEN. AND THEN THIS SHOW has the gall to just have random ass exposition fairies for every character. chae ryung is now close to prince what's his butt? I NEED RECEIPTS. soo stopped being HEAD court lady so she could be so's side-ho? again, i need receipts. and on that note, she went from water slave to head court lady and no one bothered to show or explain how? she just did? god. finally, king yariru mcpsychopath went batshit and became super religious and we weren't around to see the glorious karma of him literally going nuts over the throne? i don't believe any of it for a second because I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF IT. i was just told after the fact after some ineffective ass time slips where a bunch of stuff happens and we don't get to experience it with the characters.

and then we just have stuff that apparently was a thing but we have to now constantly reminded of it because it was never apparent and now there needs to be a story with the princes that haven't been offed in various ways. like jung having a crush on soo and reseting so for it? what the hell when did that happen? the whole energy of the show was wasted on eun having the puppy noona crush. jung was ass far away doing whatever the hell he was doing for years.

it boggles my mind that this show was fully pre produced and finished up filming months ago. what the hell did the production team do until now? were they just in a catatonic state because of all the pretty? did so kill them all so we're stuck with whatever the hell some other crew found and just put together like a kindergarten play?

on a final less critical note, every time i think of king so i wonder why he doesn't have the "소" mustache like all of his successors got glued on by the makeup team. come on, show. if you're gonna be the bastard child of blade and petal with doctor jin, at least give so a cow mustache so i can pretend i'm watching the greatest love again.

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Well said!

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Thank you . U summed up everything at one go

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+1 Couldn't agree more.

This has been my concerned when they went all draggy with Haesoo-Wook saga until episode 12 and I was literally waiting for Taejo to die because there were Moo and Yo waiting in line. Bad drama pacing.

And this episode is truly horrible no matter how much I love this drama and Lee Jun Ki. And I could not even believe that they spent 6 months filming this crap. The production value pretty much exhausted in this episode - ugly setting (the short walk to the throne), ugly costumes, ugly wig including the one worn by Jun Ki, terrible make up and everyone minus Yeon Hwa looked so washed out.

It's a let down. At this juncture I am just seriously waiting to see what kind of crazy they are going to pull off for the last 3 episodes.

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RIGHT? I don't know how or where all that budget or pre production went. Coming out like a whack ass live shoot mess when they had MONTHS to prepare?!

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Probably no one is used to pre-production and they don't know how to deal with all the extra time, so they just reverted to live-shoot mentality and came up with this work of art.

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The bulk of the budget went to Jung's wig.

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Now that you mentioned budget, can anyone tell me why the princes are wearing sheer black cloth over their robes? Is it a way to cut costume cost?

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don't forget mention also his SIDE BURNS! haha

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The sideburns were an add-on, not to mention customized! Damn Jung got all the "premium quality" stuff!

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@Yoyo- While on the other side, the princes got dark clothes and no BEARD at all hahaha. Now waiting for Jung's beard to complete his goryeo style transformation. So FAB! lol

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The bulk of the money went to paying the actors, especially the full set princes. I am sure LJK get paid the most, and deserved every penny of it for his great effort in acting.

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I presume the sheer black fabric over the prince's original robes are to differentiate between the King's brothers (Grand Princes) and his sons (Princes). The act of doing so was adopted when Moo first became King.

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Thank you for the explanation.

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Gosh, I am so with you about the dragging of wook-soo storyline. It is weird how So-soo's romance was supposed to be the epic and true one, but the story painstakingly developed wook-soo while the true romance happened mostly begind the scene. So and soo are cute together (tho not always) but I felt this romance is not earned. For a show with romance as one of its selling point, None of the romance in this drama works for me. Heck, sometimes I even root for Yeonhwa despite hating the incest dimension of this drama, but at least their dynamic is more insteresting to me, not in a romantic way but in a messed up fascinating way.

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And to me, the Wook-Su love line feels like a completely different drama. What a waste of screen time, I'd rather have watched more of Su and So being buddies like in the early episodes. And being cutely in love, of course.

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Wow. I could not believe my typo. Concern became concerned.

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Well, they went draggy with Wook-soo to pay homage to the original story.

Just like everyone in the drama said "you can't be greedy and wanting it all." Well the writer and PD nim does that. They are trying to be different from the original by putting different motivation and backstory for 4th prince but still stuffing the original romance into the story. In the original 4th prince just plain ambitious. No "rejected child" scenario. And for the first bulk of the story it was only about Wook-Soo romance, no inkling whatsoever on So.

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20 episodes are too short to flesh out the events. Maybe 24 would have worked better.

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That's no excuse for the mess we're in tho. They knew that they have only 20 episodes story to tell since the very beginning. Instead of streamlining the story, the production has this tendency to focus for too long on things that can be cut to provide better exposition of the main storyline. Sigh...what a waste of LJK....

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THIS!!!!! There is no excuse as to why Moon Lovers is a hot mess. The writer, director, and editing team had months to fix whatever issues this drama had during pre/post production.

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Also one more thing. LJG should put everyone that is younger than him in the crash course of acting. If anyone see the BTS of Eun's death, LJG oppa was pretty much directing Baekhyun, thus the episode had become one of the best in the bunch.

I think the reason also why Haneul is better acting wise here is because he asked LJG for lotsa help. I know he immediately ask for LJG number after he got the part and contacted his hyung for direction and help. He looked up to LJG so much.

in BTS also we see how dim UI's light compared to LJG, she was so embroiled in the scene that I think she was thinking way too much when the camera was rolling. Very different when compared to her drama the Producer with Soo Hyun.

I'll pay millions to watch LJG and Kim Soo Hyun in a drama, or even movie together. The screen would exploded in charisma.

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LOL! I'm not even watching this show, and just occasionally scroll through the recaps, screencaps, and comments. "bastard child of blade and petal with doctor jin", indeed. :)

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i'm curious about that bastard" thing with Dr Jin. Is that a drama?

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yes.. Dr Jin is a drama..you check out the recaps are gems..the drama no

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I also didn't watch those 2 dramas mentioned, but I kinda get what cali's trying to say. I think MLSHR falls into mediocre remake territory (like Cantabile maybe?). I remember blade and petal being (in)famous for its pretentious directing, while Dr. Jin was a terrible terrible remake with terrible PD and terrible acting but with awesome recaps and comments.

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Cantible remake is way better than Scarlet Heart. This is just a hot mess! Cannot believe how much they messed this up. Even the Chinese knockoff Jade Palace is way better than the Korean remake.

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You do not want to watch Dr. Jin I assure you save yourself the misery and just read the recaps

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Best unintentional comedy ever.

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I loved loved loved your comment. It is very nice to read some of your lines.... (chae ryung is now close to prince what’s his butt? I NEED RECEIPTS. ).... I was laughing out loud for quite some time....

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I am assuming they are in cohoots with China ( in return of that whole nuclear deal situation and banning of SK stuff)...

Its a give and take deal..

We will create more eyeballs for your drama and literature, you let our specially made for China drama air without difficulty..

End result:
Dear International Audience,
Please watch Bu Bu Xing Xing to fill in the gaps. We will not cover the basics!

With love,
SH:R PD team

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This is abolutely hilarious! Yet so spot-on. I continue to be super disappointed in moon lovers, and this episode was kinda the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm really turned off by how all the characters have been written at this point, am just watching to see how it ends. Sigh. The things it could have been

1. The timeslips. Like you I really dislike how we are told something happened BTS but was never shown any proper development. all those example you mentioned above, it's SO jarring. This is the first drama i've watched where there have been more than 3(?) time slips. what on earth

2. and the characters...woohee. what is she still doing on screen? And how come nobody has sniffed out the fact that she's a traitor? Also, she's a terrible actress and I hope she doesnt appear in anything I want to watch in future.

3. Chaeryung. same as woohee, why hasnt anybody gotten an inkling in all those years that this girl has been working with prince won all the while?

4. Wook. Sigh. The things he could have been. When they set him up as So's opponent I thought he'd be a formidable one. But nope, he's barely gotten a few lines in each episode and gosh - I was confused by his conversation with Su. "You chose So?" - yes, boy duh? Wasn't that obvious already years back? And he's got the crappiest luck in the palace, I'm kinda surprised he hasn't killed himself by now.

5. Queen SMSS - no words. just, what's wrong with you, woman?

6. Haesoo. This woman has gone through so many changes and timeslips that I've completely disengaged from her character. Also - what's with the sudden death announcement from the doctor??

6. Jung. omgosh. Massive facepalm. One of my least fav princes. Shame - cause 14th prince was my fav in the chinese version and he had a much more compelling character there. Here Jung is like...dude, where are your brains? One moment he's crushing all over Su (which the show didn't bother to flesh out in earlier episodes) and the next moment he's pissed at her for siding with So. Like, duh? Come on. Why would Su choose you, you've never been there for her.

This drama has become a complete trainwreck and I'm just sitting here waiting to see how it all comes to an end.

Lastly, "Jung and his sideburns come upon Su and her stones" cracked me up so much!

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I lol-ed so hard at Jung's sideburn comment too. Jisoo should stay the hell away from sageuk. I love the boy, but watching him in this drama is almost painfully embarassing.

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14th is my favorite in C version, he comes even before 4th. But Jung here is the least likable prince. Still finding ways to blame So for it all. Like mother, like Son. As for, Ji Soo, I will forever be grateful to drama Gods for giving me Fantastic while Moonlovers is on air. Thanks to that my love for Ji Soo is intact and also thanks to team Fantastic for being so considerate to him and adjusting the storyline to let him be a part of the show despite the setbacks.

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Same! 14th prince >>>>> any other prince in the C-version for me. I loved how he was so loyal to Ruoxi til her death, despite knowing that she would never love him the way he loved her.

I really dislike how the writer has chosen to write up the 14th prince's character here. It's like he has almost no purpose to the show. He's either always reacting or doing nothing in the background. And now, add to the fact that he is blaming So for everything despite knowing who the real culprits are. He even had the nerve to get pissed with Su for siding for So. Are you for real, dude?

Yes thank the Gods for Fantastic! But was it good though? I watched for Jisoo til episode 4/5 but dropped it. Was really happy he came back and that the production adjusted things for him but I actually wished they'd have just written out his character and he could have taken the time off to rest. I don't know how tiring/painful it is to have a bone surgery (!!) and still having to carry on filming and walking around on a crutch. =/

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@Evelyn
I think he didn't or his agency did not want him to be written out so the drama execs didn't write him out and kept him. I actually can't imagine anybody else but Ji Soo in fantastic. It was good, it was worth it. I hope you give it a try again. It made for some endearing moments later and definitely helped to forget Jung.

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I think so. I mean, i can understand why someone at his stage in his career would not want to pass up on roles. Besides, Korean entertainment working culture is brutal and logically, I dont think people there might have thought nicely of him if he asked to be written out to take time off.

I read the recaps here and it seemed like the last few episodes were good. Especially loved the fact that the drama showcased strong female friendships, always love those. Might give it a shot again when i have the time, thanks :)

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He's really gotten the worst out of the all the princes when it comes to hair - facial and otherwise. I know the drama had to make him look manly, now that he's a grand general and all. But that doesn't mean horrendous hair and ridiculous sideburns? lol.

Sigh. I wrote something similar below; am a big jisoo fan but he really needs to give Sageuk a rest. Just stick to modern dramas. He comes across pretty stiff in general here. Also, i mentioned his speech, there's something very unnatural and stilted about the way he delivers his dialogue. i dont know why though

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Well....he's not smart enough. He's like Jung but in a better family. His mom baby him too much that he could not read people's steps. I understand if he entered the palace in older age but he was born and breed (minus several years in exile), dude gotta grew balls and brain earlier. tsk tsk tsk.

You have so much potential Wook, so much...he is bratty in a way.

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Yeah, seriously Wook keeps getting screwed. If his sister didn't mess up his life I honestly think he'd be happy with Soo now, and he'd still be a good guy.

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Your comment on Wook is GOLD. With all the talk about him wanting to be the traitor who will execute a traitor to be the true hero, I thought he'd have at least some game up his sleeves but gathering the ministers for a petty protest... just really? Is that the best you can do?

Isn't his household supposed to be powerful enough to the point they can push for Yeon-Hwa (Ugh) to be queen? Can't he at least try to plan a revolt with that power?

Whatever he's been doing for the past few years, a suicide would've been more productive of him, smh.

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If you watched the Chinese version like you claim then you must realize the Korean version is still light years better. In the Chinese version I could never figure out why she liked the 4th prince in the first place. If you remember correctly there were HUGE time slips in that version with Ruoxi working for the king for 8 years, then in the laundry for several more. Once she gets told she's only got 10 years left she'd already been there upwards of 15 years at least. The Korean version just has a habit of announcing these time slips. 8th Prince wasn't gorgeous and full of bitterness like our Wook either, instead he became a depressed wreck when he was in exile. Until he was given another opportunity to influence what was happening in the throne room. Admittedly 14th Prince had a huge part in that drama. In this drama he's just an excuse for Ji Soo to poke out his bottom lip a lot. lol I don't know what everyone sees in him really.

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"Watched the chinese version like i claim"? It's not a mere claim, i did watch it.

"I must realize the korean one is light years better"? Nope i prefer the chinese version. Good for you if you like the Korean one.

For all the flaws in the C-version (i didnt like the cinematography or the actors that much), it still had a better plot and a better written Ruoxi/haesoo. Also, their timeslips never ever felt jarring to me cause things were properly fleshed out. Here, the timeslips are hella irritating and everything is rushed and makes zero sense. And like you pointed out, all the princes were well-written in some way. 8th had depth, and 14th had a compelling storyline. cant say the same of the k-version - by MILES.

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I wish you were wrong cali. This is the most frustrating in all of Jun-ki's dramas because they had the time, money, a lot of materials etc to make this show epic but they screw it up.
This production who was probably headline by this director is mostly responsible for this mess.

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The glue on cow mustache! *crying laughing*
I know how serious your whole comment was. It really does sum up all the problems Moon Lovers suffers under.
But oh my god I can't get over the cow mustache thing! 😂

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I totally get you. This is a little hard to say, because I've been watching this series from the first episode, but I think I understand why the ratings are low.

I might be stepping on a lot of toes here, but I dare say the story --disjointed as it is, is the culprit. Everything moves fast without giving the audience TIME to process or even sift through the events, and help us understand the backstory. So much time warp, so much moving forward and leaving very important details behind.

It's the writing, the directing, and *gulp*, even the chemistry. I watched this episode both in raw and subs. The raw subs on IG came out with the complete version, while the subs had fast-forwarded/edited scenes. Still, there was very little difference it made to me when I watched it. I just felt, hmm...indifferent? Like when one watches just to complete the series but isn't as emotionally invested as when you first were when it started.

I mean, I remember being so excited when episode 1 came out and 2,3,4 and so on, especially that ONE big episode almost everyone at DF agreed was the best, when the King's lady love was killed. (was it 12?, i forget?) That was just the episode we need. It moved at the right pace. Attacked emotions and scenes with the right energy. It had good storytelling.

Now, everything just seems disjointed. I agree. Hae soo moved from water maid to highest court lady without so much of a background as to how this happened. I realized that the way the two previous kings have died (Moo and Yo) --was done with little fanfare. It's like everyone's just waiting to sit on the throne and get over it. Whereas, when King Taejo was about to die, there was such ruckus. It's like the kingdom was left to puppies, the little players. And even the way the story unfolds, we're not given any GRAND feeling about the passing of one king to another. It just moves SO ridiculously fast.

Again, the Wook-So story. I've said it before. I believe they have amazing (and greater) chemistry than Wang So-Soo. The ship have sunk many episodes ago, yet Wook still harbors all these things (and I totally get that), but it just feels...all over the place. I wish there were previous interactions with them when there were regrets and whatnot, but it's like, they said they moved and and so they did. I don't know if you get where I'm coming from, but I totally understand the comment where I'm replying. They say it as a fact and so it happens. but we know this only AFTER.

Also, So's scar was such a point of contention, and he becomes king now. Is the scar no longer any relevant? I supposed not. Yet they make a fuss about the scar on Soo (maybe totally different rules for women of the day who had to be perfectly beautiful).

I want to finish this series but I feel, as a viewer, quite let down by the bad editing and bad storytelling. If it was pre-produced, it's an even heavier fault, I suppose.

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The thing about chemistry is that it's at least partially dependent on writing.

Wook/Su had chemistry hot enough to scorch the house, but after the story sent Su to the Damiwon and turned them into cutesy lovebirds who sit around in caves for a first date, I just wasn't feeling them anymore because the story undercut the very thing that made them so compelling to watch - their mutual attraction. While with So, it was a steadier kind of chemistry rooted in friendship and mutual understanding and a comfort level that could grow into something else. But then the time jumps did everything they could to dissipate that, by putting physical distance between So and Su for years on end and treating their not-yet-realised relationship like it was in stasis. It's really frustrating.

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I get you @kz because indifference is exactly what I feel right now when I watch the show. "Oh, so there they are but they are just there all on a sudden, doing that because they need to and they don't have any more time so that's why" is what I feel. I am stepping on a lot of toes but So-Su is the least organic couple for me in my k-drama viewing experience. The burning passion that I was promised, I think somebody poured cold water on it in more than one occasions and doused that fire. Now, they claim to have a bright warm fire but all I feel is a cold indifference. I don't feel it.
There is this pattern in this show. I remember during the initial episodes with all the ridiculous plot lines and fan service and acting, there was a spark between So-Su just as much as Wook-Su. But the moment both couples got together, things went downhill. I don't know what to blame for that, I just don't feel I need to analyze this show anymore. It is what it is and it is not getting any better.

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Welll said. All about the editing error... such a loss.

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Moon Lovers: Chae Yun and Won are a thing now.
Kdrama auditor: I need proof of that. Do you have any receipts of dates they went on, perhaps a Goryeo amusement park?
ML: no.
KA: Denied. Next.
ML: Su gets demoted then promoted then reassigned.
KA: Pay stubs? Annual employment reviews?
ML: no.
KA: Possible embezzlement of viewer emotions. Denied.
ML: Can't you just loosen up a little? Come on, it's called suspension of belief. You allowed a time-travel portal to a royal jimjilbang.
KA: You had receipts for that. Receipts, or it didn't happen. You are up to 6 back episodes and 20 re-edits.

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@JC,

LMAO at "Kdrama Auditor." ;-)

Possible embezzlement of viewer emotions.

Possible?!?!

More like "highjacking of viewer emotions" that rates 25 years-to-life in Leavenworth.

Receipts! I'm having flashbacks to all the expense reports I ever had to ride herd on as a secretary. ;-)

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This convo reminds me of this office email today inquiring why we had to buy ballpens...uhm...apparently, they were all used up?

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At least you're still watching. It's even frustrating reading the recaps. I was all prepared to swoon over the epic love story. But now, bed scene or not- don't want to raise my blood pressure to watch it.

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Lol! RECEIPTS!
And I was wondering about that mustache thing myself. Perhaps they didn't give LJG one because they knew that I was fresh out of bibs to catch all of that drooling I would be doing. LOL! I do like a little facial hair on a man, and to have some on LJG...MY LORD!
Every now and then I see that 5 o'clock shadow creeping in on him, and I try to imagine that pretty face with one. Woo! (fanning self) , as if he wasn't sexy enough already! :p

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OMG you win for best comment of this drama. I love it lol. 100% agreed. I don't even need to watch the drama for the story- just the Su-So scenes.

Honestly, HeadsNo2 must feel like the drama basically recaps itself. At least that makes her job easier.

Also Del makes a good additional point about dragging us through the nonplots at the beginning only to speed through the meat of the show. Why we had to be told Su somehow shifted her feelings to undying love instead of SEEING it is beyond me. Same goes for how she became head court lady. So much lazyness in the storytelling.

Man I feel for LJK. The man is both the most gorgeous person in this drama and also the best actor (considering everyone else got sidelined to the shadows only to be pulled out when remembered). He's so wasted here.Feel like I should go rewatch Arang and the Magistrate instead.

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I rewatch scholar who walks the night and arang. Much better storyline than moonlover.

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Scholar would've been a better drama if not for the cringey special effects 😂. I agree though, those two were interesting dramas.

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Gosh,it's like you just displayed all my pent up frustrations about this drama with words
*wipes away a tear*

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Yep there you've said it all. And by the way doc says living with pent up frustration will lead to heart palpitations and shorten your life span.

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If what Goryeo Marcus Welby told Hae-Su is true, then OUR collective geese are cooked. I smell Beanie flambé...

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The editing team for this one really were a pack of drunk monkeys. I mean, I still can't believe this is what they did with a PRE-PRODUCED DRAMA, wtf.

am I the only one here who doesn't think Jung's crush on Su came out of nowhere? He's always had a very different vibe with her from the one she has with Baek-ah (who is actually her platonic friend), like a wee noona crush forming there was quite believable pretty much from Day 1 so I wasn't too surprised when he started making eyes at her in the Damiwon.

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@pogo- Same!! I knew from the start that Jung's crush situation on Hae Soo. More like the production team were all in such a hurry in establishing the story per episode.

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Lordy, why does the beginning of this drama feel like it happened 432 years ago?

IIRC, Hae-Su was instrumental in saving Jung from retribution in the bamboo forest... and encouraged him in his martial arts. He had a schoolboy crush on her despite So's "my person" declaration.

After years patrolling the border, and her not being in an obvious relationship with So who was also out in the field for years at a time, it didn't surprise me that Jung might want to toss his hat in the ring when he finally returned to the mothership...

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Same, pogo! How I wish they'd replaced Eun with Jung in the noona romance corner...

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Sad but true. This show is having so much flaws that I'm wondering what are we doing here ... still I'm in :) and afraid to watch upcoming episodes...

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Universal should sue this director for embezzlement.

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Exactly. I give up already.

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Lol.

This show "Telling instead of showing"... absolutely correct on that. I'm more frustrated than interested at this point. 3 more episodes left and so many loose ends. And did we really need So to look like a unhinging maniac? No, we didn't. We never asked for it. I really thought Su going to the past would make some difference but little has changed about history. Is that the point of the show; that nothing changes about history no matter how much we try to manipulate it?

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the cow mustache is probably coming in the last 2 episodes.. and no, you probably won't get any receipts for that either unfortunately

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and tbh, what happened to SU who is from the modern age?? That arc of the story has completely disappeared and SU acts like she was born and raised Goreyo instead of 21st Century Seoul.

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Well, after reevaluating Soo's scene in 21st century, I came into conclusion.

Soo is a submission type when it comes to those that she familiar with.

Case in point :

When she doesn't know So well nuff yet, she would walk away even when she knew So need encouragement. Compare this with everyone that she came to know later on. She would sacrifice hands and legs (and knees) to go the extra mile. Chae Ryung for example, eventhough CR was Soo Bff, they didn't meet each other for quite a long time (with getting married to King, become Damiwon's resident, then water maid) but the thought of CR to even betrayed her never cross her mind (hey lady, she got whipped because of you once, remember? At least a little suspicion? Sheesh).

Second : She would kick a guy's ass for indecent perversion, but wouldn't even smack Jung's head for being a bimbo that would lead into blood bath (seriously? Naked woman vs siblicide? Where's your priority woman?).

Third : Soo said it directly to So, eventhough he's a prince to never claim her like a thing, but would shut up when EDQ sprouted vitriol and nonsense to So and about So (apparently your fear is greater than your love, shame on you!).

If this is true to her personality then her relationship with anyone in this particular time would lead to doom no matter what. She would let anyone walk all over her (just like in 21st century when she didn't confront her own ex BFF -- methinks that's foreshadowing for CR)

I mean it make sense though, I knew someone who is similar to that. In a way I think Soo could separate herself with a stranger/s but didn't have the same chemical and neuron connection in her brain with familiars. Too bad we do not have a background in her childhood, perhaps she was a child who being oppress by her parent's demand so that she couldn't say no to anyone she's close with, either they're enemy or friend or frenemy. Noble idiot to the max.

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You express our rage so well. Who the hell are the editors? Are they new to this line of work? Do they not speak the language? Did it all get preporduced as a 24 episode drama and then some one lost pieces and this is what we get instead? Also please screw the expiration fairy.

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Here, here! I think you have pointed out the even bigger issue. This travesty of a drama, no offense to the lovely Lee Junki, was pre-produced. No excuse but insanity and a 3 year-old's ability to tell a story can explain the issues with this drama. Nothing seems real and I just hope for pretty Lee Junki scenes. Alas and alack. Acting acting everywhere, and not a story to tell.

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Wook, you rat bastard.
Show, well done.

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*dramatic zoom in*

Why thank you

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The dramatic zoom in was actually hilarious ,I was watching this scene and bam they zoom in ,I was so confused I started laughing ,
Gosh this episode committed a lot do sins :/

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THE BEST ZOOM/CLOSE UP OUT OF ALL EPISODES OF MOON LOVERS GOES TO..... WOOKIE! HAHAHAHA

the scene was too serious but Wook's zoom was so hilarious XD

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I totally cracked up over that zoom in.
Somebody definitely watched too many Westerns. Rofl.

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I've talked about this earlier in the groups Hangout room... I might as well bring this up here.

Amongst the princes of Goryeo, I think Wook is the only one who's had the preparedness level of a king.

You see, Mu was physically strong (prior to getting infused with Mercury) but emotionally weak to be a great King. Mu would probably end up being like Jeong's father in MDBC, had his reign lasted.

Then we have Yo, who really just acts before he thinks. It would be a tyrannous reign to have someone that barely listens to anyone else's opinion aside from his own. Yo thinks the kingdom is his playground and that really shows his immaturity and lack of royalty demeanor.

Let's talk about Wang So, although recently abdicated to the throne, Wang So clearly has an advantage bringing in the fear factor due to his Wolf-dog reputation and while we're all aware that he's got a way with the sword, Wang So clearly comes in short when it comes to his political hold. He doesn't really have strong alliances and clearly lacks both political knowledge and support. He might presume that all he needs is Hae Su, but love can only take you as far as temporary gratification for these two at least. The bigger picture doesn't really have Hae Su's face printed on it, that's the sad and bitter truth.

Which brings me back to Wook, I have to admit, Wook pretty much has everything under his belt, a strong and influential family, enough knowledge about Goryeo and the surrounding kingdoms, he knows how to wield both the sword and an arrow with the occasional dagger if need be, Wook certainly stands out when it comes to his diplomatic authority and his political prowess which is a clear representation of the makings of a king. Wook just has the baddest of luck ever! Well, he can blame Hae Su all he wants, Yo was right about one thing, all of this can be circled back to Hae Su, the grim reaper of Goryeo.

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I completely agree with everything you've said.

Wook: “Why is it that you insisted I could not become king?"
Hae Soo: "Cause So being King is totes written in the Stars, it's like fate."
Wook: That's it? *mind implodes*

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Wook: "Wait. SO has a Star???

Hae Soo: "Yes, he does. It's shining, shimmering, splendid!"

Wook: "Did Mu and Yo have stars too?"

Hae Soo: "Of course!"

Wook: "How does one get a STAR?"

Hae Soo: "It's the heavens that decide. It's fate!"

Wook: "Do I have a star?"

Hae Soo: "Ummm..Eh...ummm.."

Wook: "Tell me!"

Hae Soo: O_O

Wook: "Nevermind. I'm buying myself a moon!

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Rofl, well that would at least somehow explain the title ML which is still a mystery to me.

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Moon lovers is describing how every boys in the neighborhood of Goryeo came out to the yard cuz Soo's milkshake.

Moon is the symbolism of the woman and Sun is the King, remember that title Moon embracing the Sun? That's the shaman lady owning the king's heart.

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You nailed it Yoyo!! It all started with Hae Soo. Poor Wook i guess luck wasn't on his side. Maybe it's on her sister..

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Perhaps he had the greatest level of preparedness, however because he grew brain and balls too late in the game that preparedness is null.

Yeon Hwa is the best. Empress Manseh Manseh Man Man She (hehehe sorry I just gotta to that)

She got the look, she got the brain, she got the passion, she got the levelheadedness.

I have to add on Yo's. The reason why he's acting before thinking is probs because he's been a puppet for too long. His Evil Mother was the one that orchestrated everything so for Yo to be left in his own device would resulted in downfall.

See the funny thing about WS is that in history he was the one that have all the support, thus he became one of the great king of Goryeo to his common people (no so much to the nobles and rich).

I think that is what Soo's role, she is the grim reaper. She needed to do and be who she is so that the history rolled down or up (sideways?) perfectly. If it were to be other sassier girl, WS probably wouldn't stay in the palace, instead he would life happily with Soo as a common person obscured from the royal family. Or the girl would be his adviser, maybe as smart as YH.

The thing with Soo is she refused to be the puppetmaster, even when she could orchestrated a better palace life. Soo got no ambition, she would be the person who settle in her life whenever and wherever she is.

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What should I do with my life when MLSHR finishes??!

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We have 3 hours left. noooo..

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Watch Arang and the Magistrate. Lee Jun Ki in a much better produced show

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I feel bad for him. He shed 15kg for this crap and this is what he got in return.

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I've already watched all LJK dramas and I watched the better one (e.g. 2 weeks and arang) several times. I do agree that MLSHR editing has been such a mess (I think Korean producers in general are not good in pre-production and they somehow lose the consistency and continuity of the storey in editing process), but MLSHR was also very addictive in a way none of other LJK dramas were...I really liked Wang So layered charachter and I believe that it was one of the best LJK's performance by far.

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I don't necessarily like the character of Wang So. I like him in the beginning but his character kind of fell flat after the Batman episode. May be I should not totally blame the writing of his character. I believe the editing and drama pacing that totally spoil his characterization. I believe they shot a lot for us to understand him better, to find him all glorious but the editing sucks and we are stuck with this version. The reason why we are so invested with Wang So is because of Lee Jun Ki. He worked some magic out of crap. I could not agree more that this by far has been his best performance. Idk, if it is some other actor, could I actually love Wang So this much? I don't think so. The production team should get on their knees and thank him because he is the drawing force that people like us keep coming back for more.

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Actually i thought pre-production should be easier, as in easier to coordinate and stuff? Since u get all 100% filming done beforehand.. unless they dont know the story well or missed out certain crucial parts which could be made better or to be included in.. If not its pretty much like u got all ur ingredients ready just for the big day..

Whereas those filming and broadcasting in progress concurrently, true u could always take in response and react according to the audience liking and make real time adjustment to the flow of their liking.. But doesnt that requires even more consistency, effort and coordination especially those drama where u started filming when the script isnt even fully produced or changed last minute.. and u are fighting against time which is of great essence..

maybe the luxury of time is the failure for scarlet heart.. they got so much more material and its a pity the show heading towards the other way..

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I do think that this story is crap at times, it's like fanfiction on TV but Lee Jun Ki's acting is flawless. He did a much better job here than any others because even if Moon Lovers got everything wrong they didn't get Wang so's character development, storyline or execution wrong in fact it's done better than most shows.

Unfortunately sometimes it's not enough. But still it's enough to keep us coming ever week and promising not to come back again.

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Ditto. Arang is a far better drama. Although I love how intense Lee Jun Ki in this show, I wish him better luck next time.

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@Cali - yeah, Arang is much better. But Scarlet Heart is bizarrely addictive, even if I'm always going to be mad at the production for making Jun-ki shed 30 pounds and then not being worthy of the effort he put in.

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Yeah I wanted to see intense guy-lined LJK acting his socks off as this bad ass who outsmarts his brothers in the race for the throne. What we got was something that fell incredibly short. I love the guy but I feel like that raw passion is completely fizzled out of him. Plus his brothers just dropped like flies after their lifespan was up.
Now I just watch for the romance....only to see that we might get cheated out of a meaty romance too...

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That scene when So gathered his army and drew his sword outside the palace appeared to be more epic in the trailer than actually in the drama. I was so frustrated with how it was played out in last night's episode.

And when they compressed this meaty plot in less than 10 episodes, I have already foreseen the disaster. So's ascension to the throne is nothing glorious. When the writer decided not to allow him to use his brain to outsmart his rivals, she also robbed him from the opportunity to show his wondrous LJK's swordsplay when he has gathered a large force that ended up rejoicing when Yeon Hwa proposed a peaceful solution. So, it the end, So managed to sit on the throne because of Yeonhwa not out of his own merit. *Headdesk*

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Hah that last sentence sums it up. It was all yeonhwa!
Seriously though we haven't seen So use his sword in forever. Drawing his sword doesn't count. What's the point of him being an awesome fighter if we barely see him getting to use it??

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If Yeon Hwa happens to become queen, I guess she won it all. She might not have the love of Wang So but she still ended up marrying the guy she's in love with and still seat in the throne.

Well played Yeon Hwa! Well played!

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I feel your pain Persian Rose...I'm trying to figure out what new addicting drama is next on my list...

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See if there is some idiot kid drowning during an eclipse and jump in to save him Ha-Jin style.

Of course with our lucj

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@Persian Rose lol, are you me?

I know we'll never get the happy ending for So/Su but I'm still braced for it like a crash or something.

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Lo and behold, the masochistic viewers of MLSHR! We are one, we are united!

Do you beloved viewers take this program wholeheartedly in sickness and in health, for richer or poorer, come hell or high water, program pre-emption and post production failures, till So/Su's death do all of us part?

...we do! Amen!

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@Yoyo have I told you lately that I love you?

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@Kumoiwa have I told you lately that I care? (We're doing that song right? 😛

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Wasn't there talk of a Google Hangout where we could fangirl and complain about ML:SHR?

Is it too late to join? :)

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Never too late @PineappleGongzhu!!!! We were waiting for ya :D

Join us here: https://hangouts.google.com/group/USeXcGDpVGDKRhuy1

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@pogo
I always read your comments and though you are my my soulmate 😋
LJK has been always captivating in ever charachter but as he shined most in this role as Wang So showed every range of emotions from vulnerablity to possessivity obsessesion, intensity, rage,... As much as MLSHR is flawed, LJK as Wang So is flawless and super captivatong

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Sorry for too many typos (blame my long nails) 😰

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What is going with this drama? Has anyone watched both versions? The international version was such a mess. Why is Wook now a minor character? Why doesn't anyone suspect Chaeryung? She's being so obviously shifty! So many questions...Got so upset that we ranted about it.
https://thedramafilesblog.wordpress.com/2016/10/24/file-no-moon-lovers-scarlet-heart-ryeo-ep-17/

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i thought since MDBTC was over, the competitor for my affections towards ML was gone and then i saw the international version... atrocious.. thank god i read the recap.. they have managed to just show some scenes and have cut off all the important dialogues which tell us what the characters actually feel in the international version!!! at this rate , i might end up dropping it and just reading recaps... i feel so cheated!

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Seems like this show really need watch both version..

This show is so ruined in the hands of the production and editing team..

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I already did it long time ago. Stop watching it and read the recaps at dramabeans site. I feel so much better than before.

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I know right? I also gave up somewhere around ep 12 I was relly angry with how wasteful the drama was towards the cast and us viewers. Reading he recaps saves me from being annoyed with the show and I can just enjoy it and actually laugh at the comments and ideas.
Thank you! If it hadn't been for you dramabeans and lovely beanies I would have to start measuring my blood pressure for fear of ending up at the hospital, because I found all of you I can only be afraid of choking to death on laughter. Much preferable if you ask me, so from the bpttom of my heart Thank you!

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I watched the raw then the International version finally the SBS version. what a crazy thing to do just to know which part are they edited out...

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So we are all screwed. Not only is the hope for a happy ending fast vanishing but the preview for ep 18 seems like it's probably going to kill us before we can even reach the last two episodes.

Stupid Chae Ryung, stupid heart disease, stupid Jung.

I know we were supposed to feel bad for Yo but I didn't. He may have done it for his mother's love but everytime I remember Eun and Deok racing the paper sails my sympathy just vanishes or even the scene where So was forced to kill his own brother, I think Yo deserved it.

He deserved far worse and honestly I'd have preferred it if So had killed him. I don't understand the concept of the kings dropping dead magically only when there is a rebellion. It's like they've held on for that long just to drop dead the moment someone makes a grab for the throne.

That being said I'm also quite surprised that it was Su that declared So king. I was so proud because that meant she'd finally whole hearted trusted him as well as her love for him to change him to become a better king than cruel Gwangjong.

But he's not exactly a better king is he?
The part where he declares to kill the rebellors i was shocked by the sudden change of character. Then I realised that it's probably a side that's only brought out by his mother which always leads him to take drastic action (the temple of monks, this are some examples). But then again we should have seen this coming because Gwangjong eyeliner game was raised several notches. And we all know eyeliner is directly proportional to cruelty/madness in this show.

I don't think the scar on her wrist will be a problem or the main cause for the marriage not happening (yeonhwa and Wook get credit for that) but I do like how they connected the scar. Something that had saved her at that point is he thing that has become an obstacle now.

Now we have the preview of Chae Ryung been beaten up which causes Su to think he's a monster, etc, etc, I don't know why but this just seems like a repetition. Its the same thing again and again. Why can't Su try to understand the reason? I mean really you choose backstabbing Chae Ryung over the guy who took an arrow for you,drank poison for you (this just to name a few) I mean really why do you do this?

Here are the list of characters I'm sure are getting killed;

1)Won Hee: No way she got that much screen time for them to have a happy ending. Probably executed by So for spying.

2)Baek Ha: Pretty sure something related to Won Hee. He'll also hate So.

3)Hae Su: yeah definitely. I'm just hoping though at least in this case it will differ from the Chinese version and she dies when she's with So and not Jung.

I think Su being in the Queen's garbs Is her marrying Jung to get away from So. We also have a bts of yeonhwa wearing the bridal clothes so her marriage is fixed too. Well at least someone is getting a happy ending.

There is also an interesting theory floating around: The kid who Ha-Jin had gone...

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So's mother has always brought out the BAD in all HER sons. She pushes and pushes and it's never enough. I don't know what more this woman wants. Her husband is the king, she's one powerful ass queen already with three princes - of course neither of them are the crown prince but once one did become king, she continues to push.

I've only seen the international version and not the SBS one yet but I'm hoping Su is running away b/c she does not have much longer to live and wants to spare So the heart ache. Or she can't cope with the heart break of her man getting married to another woman.

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LOL: But then again we should have seen this coming because Gwangjong eyeliner game was raised several notches. And we all know eyeliner is directly proportional to cruelty/madness in this show.

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Indeed the comment on So's eyeliner is a gem. One should start a forum on whose guyliners are best/sexiest in dramas, or how we can view a transformation of a man via his guyliner( eyeliner)development over episodes.

If I were Su and was diagnosed by a doc in Goryeo, I would definitely find a way to go back to 21st century asap( bringing gold coins I have saved up with me) and get a second opinion in the most prestigious hospital in SK.

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I really thought i'm already immune to LJK's charm and beauty but gosh, how beautiful he was during coronation and that black garb? ahhhh..Lol.

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