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Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo: Episode 18

There are no shortages of bitter pills for Su to swallow this episode, and for the most part, she seems to base her decisions off what’s best for So and his fledgling rule. At the same time, his being king requires him to make some tough decisions, and Su has trouble understanding why the man she loves can’t always be benevolent. Basically, it just sucks to live in Goryeo.

 
EPISODE 18 RECAP

When Princess Yeonhwa declares that she’ll be marrying the king, Su says she won’t believe it until she hears it from So’s lips. Yeonhwa takes the time to school her on the politics she knows nothing about, telling her about all the opposition So now faces as king—including all the powerful families that now seek to dethrone him. Where were these people when we had two mad kings on the throne?

Regardless, Yeonhwa notes with a sigh that while Su may be happy to wait in the king’s quarters, a woman who’s happy with only that cannot become queen without endangering the king’s position. Also, there’s the scar issue to take into account, which is why Yeonhwa proposes that the two of them merely coexist when she inevitably becomes queen.

Wook tells So much of the same thing, making sure to mention the scar. But, he adds, if So really wants to marry her, he can… only if he gives up the throne. So what’ll it be? “I will not lose either,” So says confidently. “I rose to the throne in order to acquire everything. Do you really think I would cast Hae Su aside over a scar?”

That’s when he points to his own face, to the scar hidden beneath the makeup. “I became king with a face like this,” he reminds Wook.

We get a quick cut to a quiet dinner with Su and So before cutting back to So at court, with yet another official telling So all the things he’s already heard. The only solution, in this day player’s opinion, is for So to marry Yeonhwa. All his problems will disappear that way.

Still, So remains steadfast in his decision to marry Su. Next up to state the obvious is Queen Sinjeong, who gives her two cents about what So should do in order to keep the throne, adding that she even cast her own son out so that she could do what was best for the nation.

The queen hands over a book written by Su, filled with symbols no one recognizes (Hangul, which wouldn’t be invented until 1446) as proof that she’s not normal. Again, So claims to not care about such things. “What is so great about this seat?” he mumbles, causing Queen Sinjeong to note that the only way he’ll leave that throne is if he dies.

Su tells Chae-ryung that her wish to stay in the palace has been granted, but she soon gets pulled away by Astronomer Choi. He laments that this tower used to be so full of life when all the princes would gather and visit, pointing out all the things each prince liked best. But those times are gone now, which is why he’s brought her here: “You must give up on marrying the king.”

He says that she should be the one to end things since So will remain stubborn until the end, but Su meekly protests that she doesn’t want to. “I’ve been through a great deal and waited a long time. I only did so because I believed I would be happy one day. If I were going to give up like this, I would have given up long ago,” she says.

But Astronomer Choi asks her to remember all that’s happened in this palace, and all the danger the king is now in. The only way to prevent more tragedy is to consolidate power around the throne, and he very bluntly says that Su is not the person to help So do that. Su starts to have trouble breathing, and puts a hand over her heart.

Su goes into the king’s quarters with a huge smile on her face and something hidden behind her back, which she reveals to be masks. She wants them to go out to the market and have a bit of fun, and proposes that they disguise themselves in order to leave the palace.

So out they go, with the town all lit up for the exorcism rite festival. She teaches him how to pinky promise, and he takes her hand as they walk, like a true couple. At one point, he pulls her into a backhug and kisses her on the cheek, and there are smiles all around.

She takes him to the prayer stones she piled, causing him to jokingly asked if she did so to pray for him to propose. She unabashedly says yes, considering that he said he’d propose to her at the prayer stones. So says that she should’ve run away when she met him, and she fires back that she did run, but he caught her.

“I don’t remember what drew me to you,” So says. “There are so many reasons now. I have to live with you. Let’s live together. Marry me.” He waits for her reaction, but as her eyes slowly well with tears, his expression turns concerned.

“I cannot,” Su replies. (You could have tried leading with that.) “I cannot do anything for you except to provide you comfort. It will be hard for me to marry you.” Angry now, So asks who’s been putting these ideas into her head, though he stresses that no one can force him to give up on her.

She says she won’t give up either and will continue to stay with him, but that if she became a queen, she’d be too constrained by palace rules. She promises that she’ll be all right as she touches his cheek, and So says that she can’t leave him even if he can’t marry her.

“I will not let you go,” he continues. “Because you are mine. You can’t go anywhere—I will never allow it.” Then, pulling her into an embrace, he softly adds as a tear rolls down his cheek, “You are my only queen.”

Cut to: So and Princess Yeonhwa’s low-rent marriage in front of a meager audience. Wook leads the celebratory cries of “Manseh!” at Yeonhwa becoming queen, even as Su tries on the bride’s wedding hanbok for herself, looking longingly at her reflection.

Jung and his mutton chops find her at the prayer stones, as he claims he also wasn’t invited to the wedding. He jokingly asks if she won’t just come to him now, offering to take her far away if she were to ask him. If she ever wants anything, he adds, all she has to say to him is, “I want it.”

So unveils his bride in the marriage chambers, and gives her a long silent look before turning away from her. When he does, she warns him that Su could be used against him in the future, so getting rid of her now might be best.

He cuts her off there, telling her to focus solely on being queen. Burn.

Chae-ryung finds Su still at the prayer stones later that night, offering her an herbal pouch(?) to ease her suffering. They reminisce about Lady Hae and her prayer stones, which has Chae-ryung thinking of her late mother, who suffered from illness before she died.

Su kneels down next to her and prays to her own mother, repeating over and over again that she’s doing fine. Chae-ryung knows better and takes her hands, as So watches them from afar.

Later that night, he stands outside Su’s room, but can’t bring himself to open the door. She just stays curled up inside.

Now that So’s married Yeonhwa, his vassals finally show up for court, and So’s all smiles as he decides to adopt the era name for his reign as Gwangdeok. Everyone’s agreeable to this and his other decrees, save for one: Wook still wants the king to relinquish his control over the nation’s finances.

Surprisingly, So agrees to Wook’s terms, and declares that he’d like to spend some time reading important literature while his loyal ministers help run the government. He cavalierly declares that fourteenth prince Jung is guilty of treason and will be stripped of his title and sent to his maternal family’s hometown, which gets a rise out of Baek-ah.

But So continues as if he were discussing the weather, adding that he’s not going so far as to execute Jung—that’ll only happen if he steps foot within the capital.

Of course, when Queen Sinmyeongsunseong hears of this, she collapses. Baek-ah tells Su and Woo-hee the news, explaining the severity of the punishment. Su’s knee-jerk reaction is to try to talk to So in order to help Jung, but Woo-hee warns her that she doesn’t have the authority to do so. For now, Baek-ah says, they’ll just have to wait until the king calms down.

Yeonhwa calls on the ailing Queen Sinmyeongsunseong, who only wants to see Jung. But it’s So who comes to see her first, decreeing that only he will see to his mother’s care from now on.

He tends to her like a son while she can only stare up at him, wheezing. His use of the word “Mother” has her struggling even harder, though her power is now limited. Jung is still refused entry to the palace.

Over dinner that night, Su asks So to allow Jung to see their mother, but So slams his chopsticks down as he calls her out for sending for Jung—he’d forbidden anyone from sending him messages, so he knows that only she could’ve done it.

She admits as much, but claims her reasons are just, since the queen is on her deathbed and Jung deserves to be there. But So is adamant that Jung can’t take one step into the palace, or it’ll be his execution. “If Jung is allowed into the palace,” he warns her, “I will not let it go, even if it is you.”

Jung stands outside the palace gates in silent protest until he can barely stand anymore. Baek-ah passes him a jug of water as he goes into the palace, but Jung only pours it over his head.

So tries to spoon medicine into his mother’s mouth, but she keeps her lips clamped firmly shut. She’s been doing as much for five days, refusing to take even a sip of water, and turns away from So’s touch like a possessed person from a crucifix. The only word she manages to repeat is Jung’s name.

But So tells her to take stock of the son who’s actually caring for her now, not the son in the afterlife, or the one who can’t even be with her now. He is king, and he is taking care of her.

The queen opens her eyes then, remembering when So walked into her room covered in blood after massacring a temple full of monks. The words he’d said to her then come back to haunt her now: “You may have cast me aside, but I will not leave. From now on, I will make sure I am all you see.”

So smiles in the present to see this realization dawn on her face. He promises to build her a grand temple and spread tales of how wonderful a mother she was. A tear rolls down his cheek as he adds that everyone will know of their relationship, and their relationship only.

“I will become your one and only precious son. This… is my revenge for you abandoning me as your child.” The queen gasps for air, struggling to say “You… you!” as she reaches up a hand to his face, though it’s almost as if she wants to claw at him rather than caress him.

She has the strength to do neither though, and dies. So breaks down into pitiful tears as he holds her hand to his face, relishing a mother’s touch he could never receive in life.

Su is the one to venture out of the palace gates to deliver the news to Jung, and presumably is the one to allow him into his mother’s quarters to see her body. So allows for this small visit, but says that after he’s done saying his goodbyes, Jung’s punishment will be reinstated.

Later, So tears into Su for taking Jung’s side, and takes special offense to her pitying Jung when she, of all people, should be on his side. “He is not the pitiful one. I was always the one who was cast aside!” So bellows.

Pointing to the scarred side of his face, he tells her that his mother touched him right before she died. “In all my twenty-five years of life, I have never had her to myself. Is it so wrong for me to send her off on my own?” he cries.

Su reaches up to touch his face, but he catches her wrist before she can. “You should have said you understood me,” So grits out with tears in his eyes. He leaves, and all Su can do is sigh.

So finally confronts ninth prince Won over how involved Wook was with the mercury in the bathwater (he knows that Chae-ryung was a servant in Won’s household before she came to Damiwon), and Wang Gyu’s supposed revolt, which ended with the deaths of Eun and his wife.

Though initially reticent, the idea of being plunged into boiling water as punishment gives Won the courage to blame everything on Wook, who he claims colluded with the late king Jeongjong. So has just one more question for him, but we don’t hear what it is.

Su goes looking for Chae-ryung in Damiwon, but notices that there’s a pallor over the other court ladies. Woo-hee would rather show her than tell her what’s going on, since outside, Chae-ryung has been rolled up in a torture taco to be beaten. The king has ordered all the court ladies to watch as a warning.

Su can’t understand why the king would do such a thing, until Astronomer Choi explains that a court lady from Damiwon committed a very serious crime. It’s only then that she’s told who’s in the taco, causing her to stumble toward the bloody mess that was once her friend.

Woo-hee’s there to catch her when she faints, at least. We get a flashback montage of Su and Chae-ryung’s memories before finding Su lying in bed, with the king on a rampage over the royal doctor not telling him of Su’s illness.

Su wakes whispering Chae-ryung’s name, and pushes So off when he reaches out to her. “How could you? How could you do that to someone?” she screams. That’s when So opts to tell her that Chae-ryung had been spying on her the whole time, and that she was the one to deliver the book of Su’s Hangul to Queen Sinjeong.

He adds that not only was Chae-ryung partially responsible for them not getting married, but that it was she who put the mercury in the king’s bathwater. It was Chae-ryung who betrayed Eun and prevented his escape by telling Won and Wook about the secret cave beneath the baths.

That’s when Su remembers that Wook had told her he heard about the cave from Chae-ryung, so she knows what So says is true. Therefore, he stands by his decision, though Su tearfully claims that Chae-ryung’s only crime was being born a slave.

She doesn’t brush off the comforting hand So puts on her shoulder at least, but she gives him no other reaction as he gets up to leave. Seeing a letter that wasn’t there before, Su reaches for it…

But we cut to So throwing a fit in the throne room, as he realizes how much he’s been played by Wook. He knows he only has Baek-ah and Su left on his side, which he blames on Wook: “Now I’ve become a monster to Su. I will never let him get away with this.”

Su opens the letter and recognizes Chae-ryung’s hand instantly, which is yet another reminder that Chae-ryung lied to her (she’d claimed she never learned how to read). In the letter, Chae-ryung claimed that she’d wanted to confess everything to Su, but knew her time was running short.

We see Chae-ryung Lite in flashback as a beggar on the streets. Ninth prince Won had shown her mercy by giving the little girl silver, and when she became a servant in his house, he taught her how to read and write. In the letter, she tells Su that she loved him, and has no regrets, nor does she resent anyone. Is that letter supposed to be written in blood? When did she have time to write that thing?

So stumbles into his room (I’m guessing he’s drunk?), and thinks that Su is the one waiting on his bed wearing a mask. But as he pulls her close and lifts the mask just enough for him to be able to kiss her lips, he pulls back suddenly before he does, unmasking Yeonhwa instead.

He pushes her away, roughly reminding her that he warned her against getting greedy. She reminds him that he told her to fulfill her duties as a queen, and part of her duty is to bear him a son.

She more or less embraces him, causing So to smile ruthlessly. “What if I tell you to turn your back on Wook and your family? Can you do it?” If she were to do so and become his only queen, he adds, then he’d make their son the crown prince. She’d be both the queen, as well as the queen mother.

Su stares listlessly at the baths in Damiwon while clutching the hairpin So gave her. When Baek-ah approaches, she whispers flatly that the person she loved killed her little sister, and doesn’t seem to listen when Baek-ah says that the king already knew that Chae-ryung was up to no good. That was why he tried to send her away from the palace in the first place.

“No matter what she did wrong, how could he punish her so cruelly?” Su replies. “I don’t know how to escape this misery. Chae-ryung was just a girl in love.” She grips her chest as she becomes asthmatic again, causing Baek-ah to worry for her.

She turns to him then, and offers him her hairpin. She wants him to give it to Jung, and to send him a message: “I want it.” Of course, Baek-ah doesn’t know the meaning behind the message, but promises to deliver it just as she said it.

 
COMMENTS

I’m having a tough time understanding Su on this one, despite the understandable pain of losing someone she thought well of. It’d be a completely different situation if Chae-ryung had been killed and no one thought to explain her crimes to Su, but Su got a pretty good breakdown of Chae-ryung’s deceit from So and Baek-ah. Plus, she had proof that Chae-ryung was lying in the letter. So why can she not understand that Chae-ryung’s actions had consequences?

It’s not even as though Chae-ryung was only caught spying—So went into detail about her poisoning King Hyejong’s bathwater (and Chae-ryung had no qualms whatsoever about leaving the blame for that on Su’s shoulders), how she deliberately betrayed Su’s trust in stealing her writing and reporting on her, not to mention how she was directly involved in the deaths of Eun and Soon-deok. Doesn’t Su feel even remotely wronged? Can she really blame all of Chae-ryung’s actions on the fact that she was only taking orders? Enough to not trust the man she loves when he justified his actions?

Trust has always been a prevailing problem between Su and So, though it’s been a one-way street for a long while now. So never fails to give Su the benefit of the doubt, but she spares none for him—and it’s really beginning to feel like whenever she does have an opportunity to take his side, she opts not to. I get that he was being unreasonable when it came to his mother, but he had character-driven reasons for wanting her all to himself. All he wanted from Su was for her to understand him, but she couldn’t. Though that I can understand from her end just a little, since she likes Jung, and thought it would only be fair for him to see his mother. She got her wish in the end, and So didn’t fight her on it, which says a lot.

That being said, So’s scenes with his mother were the highlight of the episode, and they felt like the only anchor in the sea of fly-by-night scene cuts we’ve been getting. Finally, the camera saw fit to linger on something for more than a few seconds, and what a face to linger on. So’s been all over the map now that he’s become king, and it’s been hard to follow his lines of thinking when, for instance, he acted very bizarrely in court. All that smiling and agreeableness might’ve hinted at some ulterior plan, but the directing did nothing else to help lead us to that conclusion. Barring any hints, his behavior just left me scratching my head. I honestly don’t know what to make of it.

But his behavior with his mother felt grounded in something real, something we could actually understand, as we saw in So the lost boy who only ever wanted his mother’s love. He did get his revenge after all, but his revenge was just another way for him to try and reach out to her—if he couldn’t have her love by choice, he’d at least have the illusion of it. In the end, he only wanted her to acknowledge him as her son, and even at the bitter end, I’m inclined to think she didn’t. And that seems fitting for her character, who’s been thoroughly and unexplainably awful her entire life. It’d feel like cheating if she were redeemed in the final hour.

However, I have no qualms about So believing whatever he wants to believe about the intention behind his mother’s touch, because he’s just so pitiful. It’s heartbreaking that he’d take that ambiguous, clawing hand as affection, only because it was the first time his mother ever even touched him. But the facade melted away when she actually passed, and he looked more lost and devastated than ever as he held her hand to his face just to feel that touch she’d never willingly give. It was very well played, and I was with him every step. With Su, I just feel resigned. But who knows—maybe the time spent apart will help give everyone some perspective. Or it’ll just make everything worse.

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Man, Hae So is starting to remind me of that character Precious. What other horrible thing is going to happen to her?! :/

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Is it really happening to HER though? So much more is happening to So and he seems to be doing his best to deal with it. How lovely was his line 'To me, you're my only queen'. If she could just trust him (dammit girl) they could be in it together rather than drifting apart with every wind. I agree with HeadsNo2 that she's been given ample explanation for his actions (although a heads up would've been nice) but it doesn't seem to budge her ill opinion of him.

It seems like the show rolls out the red carpet moments (like the two of them in the market, so sweet) only to pull it out from under us a second later. Ugh, can't anyone be happy for one whole episode?

Also, 'torture taco' - so inappropriate but so funny :)

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You're right, but girl is essentially family-less, powerless, crippled, weak-hearted, and now her man may be making hate-nookie with his sister. Even though he's pretty sad himself, at least So is king and seems to have some semblance of agency whereas Hae Su just gets more and more pitiful. At this rate, she'll just fade away with those weepy eyes.

P.S. I forgot to thank Heads for recap in earlier post. Thank you!!

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Hate nookie. That's such a funny-not funny way of saying it. It's the impression I got too. To me it had a creepy emotional undertone of two people making a pact for mutual rape. 😞 Both of them had to lose a little of their soul through that decision. (Assuming she has a soul...which I question.)

Heads is right. The theme of the whole episode was: it just sucks to live in Goryeo.

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QUE??? That aint no taco, it's taquito, not even that, that's eggroll, sorry it is.

First of all, So, you should've tell Soo. For a person that is very observant on everyone (other than Wook, but ya know anyone could have the same thought) you should've know it's better to be honest then do it then the other way around.

Second of all, just hang her you know. Why do you have to leaven her like a dough,if you do want to shame her then make her confess in front of everyone then hang her. You already know Soo was once in CR's position, doing that to CR is like a slap to her (eventhough she does need some slappin)

Third, I really would like Soo to have YH's expression, love it! Especially when So burned her, umh satisfaction.

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Nothing burns a queen with brain. I love it that she always have a come back. "A duty of the queen is to provide an heir for the king."
In order to survive, she has to be at the same level or smarter than her brothers.

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Maybe a beating burrito?

The show used that method because it was authentic to the era. Tyrannical political systems/regimes rule by fear and intimidation. The co-objective of that method was to make others watch someone close to them die brutally. It was used as a deterrent.

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I would rather take this korean taco version than the original punishment in C-version. Ruoxi's friend was STEAMED WITH HER EYES STILL OPEN. The court threw up, and so did I. Thankfully, i wasn't eating anything.

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Oof. Thank goodness we're spared from seeing that.

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"You're my only queen" was horrible to me. And him telling her she cannot leave him. :( It all seems so passionate and intense but at the end of the day, it means Soo will always be his unofficial girl. His mistress, his side woman. I was literally screaming at my screen saying "noooo Soo, don't end up with the same fate as the head court lady" I just don't understand how a woman from the 21st century would be content with being the unofficial woman.

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There's a cruel irony in the fact that Su's literally the one to declare So the new emperor ...... and then has to turn his proposal down so he can keep the throne.

and inside my head I'm shrieking 'SU YOU COULD HAVE AVOIDED ALL THIS IF YOU'D JUST SAID YES ANY OF THE PREVIOUS TIMES HE OFFERED TO MARRY YOU'.

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EXACTLY WHAT I'M THINKING! If only she had agreed to his proposal before he became king! >:(

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By now she isin't an 21st century women,she has become one of them that's why most likely it will be hard for her when she will go back because she now belongs in the past rather than the future

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This writer lol. Some parts are just unintentionally funny I can't help but laugh at it.

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I feel like at this point Baekha is the only character that hasn't done something horrible, hopefully he at least gets a happy ending because I don't think anyone else will

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In my version of the finale.... Everyone dies! No exemptions.

@Kumoiwa @Cherryarrow @Ren

Y'all know what I'm talking about!

#SaveCinnamon

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#SaveBaek-ah'sLine

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#KillWooHee.

Jk. Or am I?

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Don't worry, Woo-hee is currently #3 on the Death Queue... We just have to get through Won and Wook first...

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...we're not killing Wook.

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@Ren: just putting him under house arrest yo

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I'm okay if So ordered to kill WooHee. But I don't have a heart to see how mad BaekAh if that happened. Will BaekAh also hate So like Soo does ?

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More likely she will kill herself because guilt or something

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chae-ryung got tortured to death for spying on an unimportant hae family girl. woo hee spied on the king, the heir, his generals and now probably so. what does she deserve? and she's in on it with wook and won too. not seeing a good end for her here.

also, theme of the episode - i love you and i'll never leave you... BUT i might.

loved the parallel between yeonhwa choosing the world over a small room filled with love and so and soo having to choose between the exact same things.

as usual, so's all feeling and soo's catching at reasons not to trust him. and now she's being the noble idiot by forcing the separation - one can see it coming - and leaving him alone with just baek-ah while at the same time maybe removing baek-ah's support too if woo hee's in trouble. that's soo's love for you folks.

no wonder if he turns into a savage bloody king after all his human support deserts him.

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I COCNCUR! Just JK? Seriously, what was her role in this drama? She is one of the extra bits that should have been streamlined, when the episode count was shortened to 20.

Some similar thoughts on the whole ML experience:

"Perhaps the writers are trying to portray that good Korean girls do not fall in love with men, they know will be future dictators? That is one way to explain, the odd decision to devote so much time to the 8th romance, and barely show growth in 4th Prince and Hae Su's romance.

First they made her helping him an accidental decision. Unlike the original where Rouxi was well versed in history, knew what 4th Prince would become and chose to love him for the man he was at the time.

Hae Su's decision to leave over the treatment of "her little sister" Chae Ryung also doesn't have enough gravitas, considering all the detailed explanation give of how Chae Ryung was involved in the death of a king, a prince and a princess (3 royal family members) and even that she was okay with framing Hae Su, for a murder.

Why change the original that Rouxi left when she realized that her actions and warnings to 8th Prince is what set the fight of the princes in motion. They even had a scene during the rain ritual, where Hae Su, told this version's 8th prince something similar. It just shows that this was probably forgotten during the rapid, writing process.

It goes to show that just because a drama claims to be pre-produced, if the script is still being written, as scenes are shot, it is not that different from a Live Shoot after all. The only difference being, moving the chaos of the live shoot from the airing period to an earlier time.

The writer did a good job with adapting the story to the Korean royal family, but they dropped the ball on the actual script. And wasted too much time in the early episodes. Turning the latter half of the drama into a telling more than a showing experience, with so many time jumps, and so many important events happening off screen.

They probably thought they had 36 episodes, but later realized that though a common episode count in Korean entertainment, it would make it harder to get a time slot in China, where even dramas with bonafide Chinese stars, may take up to 3 years after completion, to get an air date (see postponement of Lee Young Ae's Saimdang Story). So they rapidly cut down the number of episodes. But that is something that should have been fixed in post-production. You have the raw video, so cut out the extra scenes of say - 10th Prince, the superfluous Baekje Princess storyline that never materialized, the slow buildup to Hae Su and 8th Prince's love story, etc.

Apologies for the long post, but as someone who was eagerly anticipating this drama, I hope what happened with Moon Lovers, won't discourage the move to more pre-produced Kdramas."

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Agree wholly with all that you've said. And I think, above all, what pisses me off the most is that the fight between the princes could've been explored so much more, to give so much more depth to each of the princes rather than wasting screen time on all the other extra scenes as you've mentioned.

Massively annoyed at the atrocious editing of Scarlet Heart. It might be unfair to judge the quality of the writing, seeing as we only have access to this poorly-edited drama. No matter how good a script is, don't think it can save a drama from horrendous editing, since editing is what makes a drama flow (and sets the pace/emotional intensity). I hope the China fanbase protests so much, SBS recuts and releases a 36ep version of this drama. WOULD GLADLY BUY IT.

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You went to the Shakespeare School of Scriptwriting, didn't you? ;D

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At this point, I am sure no one gets a happy ending. The plot seems to rolling straight towards death of all the brothers just as history dictates. Especially now that Su "wants it", which I fear will set a whole slew of brother conflict in motion that may never have started if not for Su. Really, like our late and crazy king said, most of the bad shit started with Su. o.O At this point, I am resigned to most anything. (Oh how a part of me wishes this show was more like Six Flying Dragons. Ah well...)

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I didn't watch the C-version but I've read about it and know that Rouxi (or was that her name? / hae soo) will run away with Jung and die in the process.

I don't think it will happen here. However, with her running away with him, it might lead to his death.

I actually think that the deaths of the princes are all related to Su one way or another. That despite not having a direct hand at it, these deaths were connected to her.

I'm also wondering, wasn't Hae soo aware (21st century information) that Gwangjong would marry his half-sister? Did she only know about the part that he became king? Because if she knew this, she would also tell herself what she told wook: It is only fate and nature. Heartbreaking that must be for her and So because they are in love, it is, as Astronomer guy says, not her place to help him.

I'm not surprised that So is turning out to be more menacing, but I was wondering how big of an impact Su was to change him. Before, he mentioned that he changed because of Su. He became more positive. She's still by his side, but now that he's king, it's like he's turning to the dark side, but not the Wook kind of conversion. Power corrupts, I guess. Yeon Hwa mentioned this to Su before. You can't be too sure about people not changing once they are in power. Su was the balancing factor for So, but he seems to be more and more stubborn and his emotions are suddenly out of place.

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In the cdrama version She leaves with 14th prince and marries him. She convinces the King to let her go and he does eventually. She lives as friends with 14th for like 8-9 months and then dies from heart failure. What is sad is that she tells the princes who come to say goodbye that she hopes in the next life she can forget all of them and never meet them. :-(

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I hope ending won't be like the chinese version's. There are only 2 more eps left but everything is still in chaos. I hope So doesn't give up on Su. I think the ending will be very heart breaking, but there's still a little bit of hope inside me that they will have their HEA. Because they both deserve it after everything they've been through.

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Sincerely hoping that it won't end up like the cdrama either ): even though part of the appeal of Scarlet Heart/BBJX is in how intense and hauntingly beautiful the OTP romance was, the sadness at the end of the drama was really too much to take. (I say that, but I regularly torture myself by rereading and rewatching the cdrama... lmao.)

I think it's quite likely that this Korean version will follow the cdrama. From the preview of ep19, seems like Wook has confessed his previous relationship with Haesoo out of revenge (?). It's likely So turns her away (as per the cdrama), and Jung's imperial decree for her hand in marriage comes when So's at the height of his anger, so he grudgingly lets her go. :( sigh. Our hopes for a happy ending in Goryeo doesn't look too optimistic, but let's hope Kim Kyu Tae PD-nim wasn't lying when he said the ending would be a happy one... guessing it's more likely that Haesoo returns to modern reality and ends up meeting a So-lookalike?

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But So has always been cruel. We have been told from the very beginning about his inner blindly violence by the others characters. This fact is showcase from the 1st episode.
No one remember when he came in the palace and slaughter his poor and innocent horse. He massacre his own horse with which he rode across the country. Red flag!!!! He could kill Su at the end of the show I would not be surprised.

And he could have hung CR after a proper trial where her crimes could have been revealed. Or he could have explained Su why he drafted her outside the palace. He changed to want to handle the situation without violence in having her expelled to the total opposite. That does not make any sense.
How do he think Su would react tripping over the bloody dead body of her "sister"?
Actually I don't blame So for this one but the lazy scriptwriter for the lack of consistency of her characters.

And we will never have the explanation about why the Queen Mother hate on her own son. It was a totally gratuitous premise. The same about the astrologist/astronomer. I am resigned now that Ji Mong mystery will not be unveiled.

I don't know how I feel with this drama. It is entertaining enough but in the other hand, it is so lazy in the way it has handled practically every storyline.

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this is where i get confuse. in goryeo history that i read
no record So killed wook or jung. Baek-ah will be sent to exile, but not during Gwangjon era.
are they going "take creative action on history" by killing them all to fit the original ? cause i notice they did. like, during Mu era, conspiracy was actually between Yo and So, not Yo and Wook. Eun is killing during Mu era,not yo era, and there was in fact Wang Gyu rebellion,not just allegation.

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Seriously next time I watch a historical drama I am going to the library cause wikiepedia just doesn't cut it.

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Neither Yin Zhen or Wang So killed all their brothers. That would be a lot of bloodshed without justification so I don't know where this history is coming from.

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That is their "creative action", also known as "artistic license" and "based on actual events". If writers (speaking generally) were honest, they'd call it "playing fast and loose with the truth" and/or "substituting fiction for facts whenever our storyline demands it".

Anytime a movie or TV show has "based on" in the description, count on very little fact and a lot of fiction.

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Everyone and their grandma knows that the writers are taking creative license.

My point is: 1. this drama is based on the BBJX novel and in the novel the 4th prince (Yin Zhen) did not kill all of his brothers.

2. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't remember this drama and it's vague history ever stating that Wang So killed all of his brothers.

I'll gladly go back and watch that part if I missed it otherwise it's just someone's interpretation.

Are we on the same page now?

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The prettiest and kindest cinnamon roll in Goryeo probably won't be able to get a happy ending because the chances look pretty high that Woohee is going to end up dying in the next episode. OTL

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Has Jung done anything bad? The one bad thing I could figured out is him placing all blame on So for almost everything.

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He has committed an unforgivable crime again fashion with those sideburns from hell. #dontpicksageuknexttimejisoo #lovejisooanyway

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LOL. That is funny. And the crime for allowing the horse hairstyle on him. Love Ji Soo though.

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Basically this show is telling us that a consequence of aging is bad hair.

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@Lime Chilli
I agree with your hashtag. Jisoo should avoid sageuk. It doesn't suit him. Also, the hair and also the way he talks is different.

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The moment Jung grew those hideous sideburns, anything and everything associated with him was deemed wrong. #FreeTheSideburns

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I must be the only one who find the sideburns hot. However it involves a fantasy where I can shave them off myself.

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Hahaha this is hilarious(ly amazing).

TBH I never noticed the sideburns. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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He's guilty of being judgy and throwing shade all 'round Goryeo. That eyebrow perks up? Jung's about to throw some shade your way!

Hah and like Lime Chilli says, the retro sideburns from hell!

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He's placing the blame on So for having a much better hairstyle than he ever will.

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Because of the protest Jung had impost last episode on him being King. He put him on exile and stripped all of his titles. Probably not to cause trouble into questioning on how he ascended the throne. #Dirty but thats reality. I'm actually glad that Hae Su finally said 'I want it'. I want Wang So to realize the reality of having the throne in your hands. But if Wook is to die next episode! I'm gonna die as well... I hope she gets married to Jung.

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He's also going to attempt to part Su from So, and that is an Unforgivable Sin, punishable by (probably) death most horribly painful. So said Su was his and she's never to leave him, and you know how he gets when people don't do what he tells them. xp

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Yeah after Wook's abrupt turn to the dark side (which I still don't get, but that list has gotten too long) Baek Ah is my only favorite

Also, as someone responsible for the deaths of 3 royals, Chae Ryung just didn't fit the role. The show had given us plenty of hints and proof that she was part of the plot and loved prince 9. #9 and Yo were such perfect and obvious villains they're practically twirling their mustaches and tying damsels to train tracks. I'd like to see how Chae Ryung had gotten pulled into the plan. Did #9 pressure her(if you love me you'll do XYZ), or feed her false hope(we can get married when Yo is king)? Rather than make her a willing participant, Chae Ryung should have been the scapegoat. Like Su and the poisoned tea, Chae Ryung should have been the unknowing perpetrator and #9 would throw her under the bus to save his skin-cause he'd totally do that, the little weasel. Her innocence of the crime and betrayal of her first love would have painted a more sympathetic picture. Plus it would make more sense for Su to take her death so hard.
It's annoying that the show just presents new info to the plot and we're just supposed to roll with it, no matter how jarring it is. Foreshadowing is what helps lead up to big reveals and results in a better payoff for viewers. Instead the show is spoon feeding everything and deprives us of figuring things out for ourselves. Poor writing is what's primarily holding this show back.

As long as Baek Ah and Woo Hee get a reasonably happy ending I'll be satisfied with that. However, I'm not holding my breath.

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I don't know which version you may have watched, but in the SBS version, Chae Ryung leaves a letter written in blood which tells Soo about her motivations.

As in the original C-drama, the 9th prince saves Chae-Ryung's character by giving her money when she is a young beggar, which helps save her family. She swears undying loyalty to him, and goes to work as his slave, where he teaches her to write, and she falls in love with him.

9th prince uses that to his advantage to make her a spy on Hae Soo and So, with the complicity of Wook and Yo, promising to be with her. It's shown in the C-drama that this is the only person the 9th prince truly cares for.

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Is Su dense? The Writers did not create a credible enough buildup to Su's decision to leave the Palace with Jung's help. The reason she based her decision on was super lame when her whole emphasis thus far was for the brothers not to kill one another.

CR caused the deaths of Crown Prince / King Mu, Eu and his Wife and has been a spy for Won (and presumably whoever Won was aligning himself to at the moment). So was trying to protect her as much as punish CR for the deaths of his brothers she caused - active in the poisoning of Mu and the prevention of escape for Eun and his Wife. All CR's misdeeds are thrown into the wind and all Su can focus on is that CR was beaten to death taco-style and how could Su "killed" her little Sister! Come on woman - this was not an innocent bystander - CR was actively participating and was a main culprit causing the deaths of Mu and Eun.

Even as Su appeared to accept So's explanation, she still blames him?! Geez.

If the Writers had waited till the next episode when So goes after Wook or even on news of SH being pregnant (this wasn't in the preview- I am just suggesting an additional reason)- then it'd give Su's leaving more credibility. She was in an invested relationship with Wook and though it turned sour in a bad way, it can be explained that she was tired of all the palace politics and wanted to live out her limited days away from all her bad memories of palace life... Too bad - she appears all lame now - there is definitely a big gap!!

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I decided it was just bad editing and it happens later. It makes more sense that way.

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I think Su has finally understood that she is a praying mantis. Whatever she embraces, loses their head.

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Here is my defense of Su and her decision to leave. (obviously based on my own interpretation more than specifics the show has given us, but what can I say? Over-analyzing is my jam! lol)

First of all, I know she gave permission for So to marry his sister (which grosses me out that no one is talking about it), but that doesn't mean Su is actually okay with it. She's done well to put on a brave face. However, when she was listing all the reasons she'd prefer not to marry him (having to follow proper etiquette etc) I think she was trying to convince herself as much as So. Therefore, I'm sure her decision to leave is based on the hurt and loneliness she's feeling - and hiding - right now. She admitted that her greatest wish through all her trials was that she could find happiness. She wanted that to be with So, but now, with him as King... their complete happiness seems impossible. She's in pain, physically, emotionally... I understand how her emotions led her to make a desperate decision to escape. I'm sure she's thinking about all the people she loved who have died horrible, painful, tragic deaths. That does something to a person. The throne, no matter who is on it, seems to bring tragedy into her life and the lives of people close to her.

Not only that, but while CR did cause so much pain (and commit the worst forms of treason/betrayal, absolutely!), I think about how tender-hearted Su is. She knows CR did wrong, she's devastated by the truth, but her anger and pain over it wasn't necessarily about her dying as much as it was how she was killed. Why did So have to do it in such a brutal way? Why did he force the other Court ladies to watch? CR may have been a traitor, but she was still someone extremely important to Su. I understand the horror she is feeling. I understand her fear of what So is capable of now that he has the throne... how far he has or is willing to go. He may not be killing his brothers (yet), but he's killing a lot of other people and he's hurting his brothers greatly no doubt.

I am worried about the way So has changed and gone back on his word because of the throne. Remember how horrified he was when he married Mu's daughter because he felt like he had betrayed his promise to Su (and back then it was an unspoken promise!)? What happened to that So? I just want to be like, how dare he say HE wouldn't forgive her if she helped Jung? That made me so upset. To hold her compassion and love for all the brothers against her? That is what makes Su... Su. That is one of the things I love about her.

I know So is struggling too, but this is what he wanted. The throne, power, followers, responsibility over the country. And now, he's going to have to do whatever he must to keep it. That is sad to me, because ultimately we've seen time and time again that the price of the throne is always that which you hold most dear.

I understand amidst the pain, hurt, suffering and loss where Su is coming from. I...

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[continued from 2.5.2.2]
I couldn't love with that either.

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"Why did So have to do it in such a brutal way? Why did he force the other Court ladies to watch? "

Because he has to set up an example that no one murders a King, a Prince and a Princess, without go unpunished.

This is 10th century Korea, and in the past there didn't existed humane forms of capital punishment save beheading. Harsh fact. Chae Ryung's Chinese counterpart in the original drama was steamed. That was how it was.

So has changed because he has become a King. And a King with small support in an unstable political position. To keep the throne and secure it and thus the country stability, he must affirm his authority, even if he has to become more ruthless against his rivals and marry Yeon Hwa to secure his power. A soft ruler in this position wouldn't last. He had to adapt to that, most Kings through history had to secure their position by killing their detractors.

The reason why Su and the audience react like that is because we are seeing this through 21th century lens, where punishments like the one Chae Ryung had are seen as inhumane. Su may had loved Chae Ryung, but the girl was an instrument of murder of three members of the royal family (Mu, Eun and Deok) and a spy that could had put in danger Su's life! So did what he had to do. I get that Su is kind-hearted, and a girl of our time, and that's the reason why she can't continue no more in Goryeo, it's too much for her. She can't adapt to the fact that as a King, the man she loves has to be ruthless at times, because that's the way he can mantain his authority.

Also, historically Wang So killed only two brothers who were conspiring against him, one of them was Wang Won, the 9th prince - the one who used Chae Ryung, and I hope he gets his counterpance soon.

While I understand Su's side, I also understand So's. He naively believed that by becoming King he could be free and being with the woman he loves, but because he grew up outside the palace he had zero understanding on politics, and that was what eventually backfired on him.

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[Continued from 2.5.2.2.3]

I forgot to add to ‘save beheading, if you consider that more merciful than other forms of death of that time’, those typos >_>

I guess we can get to the conclusion that at the end that's the tragedy of Su: she was too good for a harsh time period like Goryeo, even if she managed to survive pretty well in the last 10 years, she just can't no more. :(

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“Why did So have to do it in such a brutal way? Why did he force the other Court ladies to watch? ”

That's basically taken from the original Chinese version.

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@Sarai
“I am worried about the way So has changed and gone back on his word because of the throne. Remember how horrified he was when he married Mu’s daughter because he felt like he had betrayed his promise to Su (and back then it was an unspoken promise!)? What happened to that So? I just want to be like, how dare he say HE wouldn’t forgive her if she helped Jung? That made me so upset. To hold her compassion and love for all the brothers against her? That is what makes Su… Su. That is one of the things I love about her"

Yes, So felt horrible for marrying Mu’s daughter, albeit for her safety, and breaking the unspoken process to Su about having multiple wives. He felt so terrible that it seemed as though he was going to give Su up altogether.

I will play devil’s advocate for a bit. I don’t think that him saying that he would not forgive her if she helped Jung is the same. She had defied him in the past to help Jung. She hid the latter in her room and threatened to kill herself if So were to barge into the room. How understanding can we expect him to be? So is no saint. I don’t think that he is using her love and compassion for all the brothers against her. Can’t he expect her to support him? To trust and support him even if she doesn’t agree with his decision? It is human to expect the person that you love (or are with) to trust and support you. I feel like that So and Su’s relationship has always been one-sided, from So’s part.

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Well guys, you have to remember that Su is from our age. She must feel conflicted. Whatever the crime, torture and death penalty may make her sick and overwhelmed. Even if she loves So, she's always been against that type of violence. She has been repeating "how can you treat a person like an animal" along the entire drama.

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Indeed, the "revelation" of CR the spy is poorly handled.
Sure everyone guessed she was kinda an antagonist but the show never bother to elaborate and showcase her story.

We got one scene of 10 secondes of her plotting with 9 and after she died. Nothing to fill her history while since episode 14 she is conspiring with Won, Wook and Yo with dire consequences.

All we got is a bloody letter which appeared magically from nowhere to explain she did what she did in the name of love. OK. It 's nothing but satisfying as an explanation. A weak character poorly written.
Script writer-nim you should not be too proud of your work.

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Agree. Starting to loose interest in Hae So and So now. At least Baek Ha is mature enough to be able to understand the king's point of view. Hope he will be ok in case the revelation about his lady love comes to light.

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I really hope Baek Ah doesn't suffer any blowback from passing on Su's message to Jung. No way is Wo Hee gonna get away with being a spy either.

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Happy ending at the end? or just the marriage?

After previous episode.. I doubt it would end happily easily.. out of nowhere his grandmother appear and witness the incident where her entire family were being killed by woo-hee grandfather who was the king..

not to mention her identity of princess was kept for so long, the cat still not out of the bag.. and there's the spying she did for Yo too..

It doesnt look optimistic to me..

I think Eun probably had the best ending.. Since both ended dying, at least they truly love each other right till the end..

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hmm.. where do I begin ..

right,I've never had a chance to thank @HeadsNo2 for recapping this show, so thank you @HeadsNo2!

I also want to thank to @kumoiwa for starting Hangout group to keep my sanity intact, seriously, it help, and it was fun chatting with people around the word over the show.. real time. I still haven't get over from my last night broken hearted, so pardon me for my rambling and incoherent words, here I want to express how I feel about

Many people questioning about Wang So's drastical changes, so out of character so to speak, well,
with this time slot remaining, it's not possible to show the changes gradually, so I'll take it as it is.

He is so cold and heartless right now (it's broke my heart, I missed my old prince Wang So).. no one can approach him anymore, not even Hae Soo, He thought that he had broken all his promises, he thought he loss her cause now he thought she sees him as a monster

I always wondering what kind of blow that makes him turn her down like in BBJX ( I know some people don't like a comparation, but this is an adaptation after all, so it can't be avoid). This monster thing .. plus ..he just found out that the man behind Wang Mu assassination is Wook all along,
if only Wang Mu didn't die, He probably married Hae Soo already and live hea, so Wook basically destroyed his happiness and this is what makes him hate Wook with all his heart content

Next preview will add another blow, he'll find out Wook/Soo relationship that they promised to married each other,
so in the sudden news it's forgiven that he forgot about what he said before, that he doesn't care who is Soo loved once, too bad Soo will also took it with all her heart, and believe that's no turning point anymore. I just hope that Soo doesn't beg for Wook's life with regard of her health, it will be to much for So to handle

People react to strong of her broken promise not ever leaving him, but she said quite clearly, that she will not the one who left first, if So doesn't change, then no reason for her to change, but now.. she believe he has changed (from the person she known) and the love of So for her has dried and nothing left (and still believe it until she died), that's why she'll leave him, she have to, she still love him and she doesn't want her love turn into hatred. By leaving the palace she tried to preserve her love, it's Wang So the prince that she love, not Gwangjong the king ..(damn, my heart is bleeding again..)

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Too bad the miscarriage plot line seems like won't happen (well, some people are happy actually), but in the BBJX,
it's the final blow of her health, it reduce years of her life, basically she's dying after this. So I don't know what will the cause of her health falling apart and led her to death, cause her condition right now doesn't seem a threat.

With this 2 last episode, and with this pre destined ending,
it will definitely crippled me for months, but what can I say,
I know what I'm getting at when signing-up for this, still no regret ..

It's beautiful story (minus the flaws) about love, friendship, loyalty, affection, understanding and communication

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Hmm I think the pregnancy scene will happen. Possibly in ep 19?

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Doubt it.. there's no more romantic feeling between So/Soo, so unless it 'happen' (and didn't show it for us) earlier, there's no way Soo will pregnant

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She could be pregnant and she didn't know it.

The pregnant scene was one of the most important scenes from the original, and MLSHR has managed to include all crucial scenes from the original so no reason for them to leave this part out. Her miscarriage really was the final straw for her to leave the palace since she had no baby to tie her down.

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I doubt it too. In C-BBJX, after Ruoxi recovers from her miscarriage, she still went out with the emperor to smell the flowers. That's when she told him she's from another world.

In this case, they make Chae Ryong's death the final straw. Besides after she fainted from seeing Chae Ryong's body, the physician came & should have detected pregnancy. At this point she's disillusioned, don't think she's in the mood to make babies.

Two episodes left -- too tight to squeeze in a pregnancy. And there's Baek Ah / Woo Hee, 8th prince & 9th prince's fates, & Yeon Hwa's ambition.

Not to mention HS-WS last convo ("I don't ever want to see you again!!!"), 8th prince confession of their romance & HS's betrayal, Jung's decree from Yo & finally HS leaving with Jung.

Too many things, too little time. Babies? HELP!

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@Piggie

Actually Ruoxi was pregnant twice, and miscarried twice. The first time she loses the child is because of Yutan, the 2nd time was at the end when she finds out the reason behind 8th targeting 4th, the shock made her miscarry again. With no baby to tie her to the palace, she decided to leave. I doubt they'll squeeze 2 pregnancies in though.

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That Chinese version was really something!
Just after the miscarriage, Ruoxi tells him she is from another world, frm another time age, and all he says is... it doesn´t matter, wherever you go, i´ll find you. Lol lol lol lol lol

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@cherryarrow,

Are you talking about the original novel? She only miscarried once in the drama.. When 8th's wife Minghui revealed that 8th went after 4th because Ruoxi had warned him before, thus making her the ultimate reason for why all the mess happened. She found out that she was pregnant after 4th executed Yutan.

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Yes novel.

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Well, in the preview Soo answered only yes she was about to marry Wook and we know submissive Soo will not explain that Lady Hae insisted she marry him (she could've leave the detail behind about their relationship) then So will understand if she make it so that Wook is indebted to Hae household and Soo is a way for him to repay that debt because his own wife ask him to marry Soo. Girl need some advising.

Since when heart palpitation became ashmatic? Because I know someone who had heart palpitation, shit hurts man! it's like attack of the needles in your chest.

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the diagnosis of heart palpitations through pulse is very different from the Western diagnosis that we know. Korean and Chinese (specifically TCM) gives a very different explanation with this wherein shortness of breath is a symptom that points out heart problems.

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In kdrama when you clutch your chest and cannot breath it's heart disease, if your head hurts and you nose bleeds it's cancer ;-)

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I bet she was actually pregnant now but didn't know it.

So prob chased after her during her runaway with Jung and she fell off horse of something and got miscarriage.

So found out about this and finally cut any ties with her (despite still longing for her).

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I know main heroine in saeguk most of the time will commit noble idiocy since the era makes their decisions less idiotic but darn, I never hated a main character as much as I hate HS.

She's like a broken record that keeps playing over and over again. How could she claimed that she loved So when she never takes any effort to understand him? She didn't have any problem justifying CR crimes that involved manipulation, spying and *gasps* murder.

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True. Totally agree. It was need more than the death of chae ryung (who was proovd to be wrong and deserve the punishment) to leave palace. Ofc, with HS couldnt became neither queen nor concubine, she is merely kings woman. And it is hard to live in palace with peace. But, the man she love live there, and did nothing unreasonable wrong act. It was always So the one who make hard effort. HS character is the delicate one. Beside the big heart to allow So married to somne else, I need to see her effort to love somne dearly as she promised not to leave him. She was the main charactr tho.

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Agree! Honestly... I keep trying to understand HS, but the fact that she doesn't pay full attention to her surroundings drives me nuts. Lack of understanding and quick to judge So for his decisions, rather than understanding the hardship that a King goes through. He even laid it out what CR and HS plays it off that it was for love. CR would have probably kept doing what Won wanted and HS would have brushed it off. I do understand her feelings that she lost the only family member left...so maybe that is her reasoning for turning a blind eye. On another note, I don't remember Won getting a punishment. He is the first on my death list.

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This will presumably be quickly rectified once Hae Soo breaks her own promise and leaves him.

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I don't think we have seen the ruthless Wang So yet. Everything he did was within the law. Taejo would have executed this girl in public and hang her head at the city gate for what she did to Wang Yu.
Won and Wook would've been stripped of their titles, send into exile and awaits further punishment.

They are following the novel with Jung. He had to be send away from the palace in order for Hae-soo to leave later.

(The one thing that I miss most from the original is Rouxi's relationship with her older sister Ruo Lan. She helped Rouxi stay grounded in Qing and Rouxi was smart enough to know that her modern thinking and behavior needs to be kept under control.
Lady Hae didn't live long enough to guide Hae-soo and their relationship was not as close as real sisters.

The women in the original were my favorites. They were loyal as heck.)

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Yeah the punishment for Chae-ryung was fairly restrained in my books. I feel like if this was c-drama they would have killed her entire family as well.

I guess the most ruthless thing Wang So has done is killing all of Yo's palace guards, maids and petitioners. This is also a standard new King move, but ruthless for So who has been shown to seek a more amicable solution when it's within his control.

Not letting Jung see his mother on her deathbed and re-writing history to lie about his relationship with her is purely personal and vitriolic though.

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@Ren
Yes, someone gets what it was like back then in that era. Eun's whole family were executed as criminals for his grandfather's unsuccessful rebellion against the king. That was 3 generations of Wang Gyu's family. That was like the standard punishment for trying to overthrow or kill a king.
This girl successfully poisoned Wang Mo. She should've been executed together with her family.

Wang So is doing what any king in Goryeo would do in this case and not because he was being ruthless.
In order to strengthen the weakening power of the monarchs he became ruthless later in his effort to drive out these powerful clans.

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Oh boy, Hae Soo!! You're making it very hard for me to root for you and you, Wang So, you're making this relationship complicated as well.

I can understand why Hae Soo was mad b/c maybe Wang So could had punished or kill CR in private instead of making an "example" out of her. But in the end, Hae Soo realized that WS was indeed right about CR's lies. I saw how much hate HS got on Soompi. I think she wants to leave the palace and it's tiring fight for the throne - not WS. I can't even handle the exhausting lifestyle I already have. I can't imagine having to deal with constant deaths, bloodshed, heartache and heartbreak all in just what - six years?

Btw, what emotions was the evil queen showing during her final moments? Remorse? Regret? Realization that she EFFED up? Her longing for Yo and Jung?

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The problem with Haesoo is that she is too idealistic and too attached to her heart. She is the plain example of someone who overused her heart than her brain.

This is where her 21st century view still intact, that taking away lives is a big deal even when she knows, killing is a way to survive in Goryeo.

What bothers me about Haesoo is that she cares to understand all people except So. She even cares to understand Chae Ryung despite her betrayal. But with So? She is so easy at passing punishment on him.

All So wants is her understanding and faith in him. Just like Baek Ah, who not necessarily agree with him but care to understand. If Baek Ah is a girl, I would ship him with So.

There is no way So can rule if he is to suit the idealism of Haesoo and therefore, how could she be so selfish and expect him not to change.

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I guess she did him a favor by not marrying him then. I agree though, like I understand maintaining principles and having faith in people but seriously she's so inconsistent it hurts my brain. Like one second it's justified and in another it's unforgivable.

No one wants to see bloodshed, So has tried to do everything in his power to keep his brothers alive including the brothers that never saw him as a human let alone a brother. So for Su to fail to grasp his reasons behind his actions...I just have a hard time rooting for the girl. She was a high court lady at one point. She's been in the palace forever. How the freak does she continue to ignore court politics? Like this is intention ignorance at this point.

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Let's ship Baek-ah with So and YH with Soo, cuz we all know girl need some direction from smart Mofo like YH.

This is the first time Soo is considered selfish tho. Good for her, no so good timing unfortunately.

She is actually consistent in personality wise. Like a comment I post in last episode, she's submissive, a person that doesn't like too much confrontation, and having blind faith. Still do. And she also seemed to like to run away from problem. tsk tsk.

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I rather ship WS and YH, soo just made me frustrated, agree with you on runaway thing, double tsk tsk

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I feel like the world idealistic is too good for her. I'd agree with you if CR crime was spying and wrecking marriage but people died due to her action. A king even.

By modern standard anyone who tries to assassinate the head of nation will meet the same fate I guess. Well, maybe not rolled into a torture taco but death will inevitable.

Selfish and dumb is better words for her.

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Personally, I don't see Soo as So's match, and I don't see much chemistry or passion between them. Soo has more chemistry with Wook, and So has more chemistry with Yeon Hwa - I felt more fireworks/heat with Soo and Yeon Hwa in this episode than I've ever felt with Soo and So.

And yes, Soo is very quick to pass judgment on So. I never get the sense that she loves him with abandon - I felt it more with her and Wook. There seems to be a part of her that's not 100 percent comfortable with So.

At this point, So just needs to keep sleeping with Yeon Hwa, since he's already started and have a bunch of sibling babies since we already know that's what happened in history. And Soo just needs to go back to the future.

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The dying queen wanted to peel off the make up over So's scar, or worse create a new scar on his face... or worst, blind him (lol). SMSS hated So til the end IMHO.

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Chae Ryung should've gotten a more severe punishment for her part in the king's death. High treason criminals are usually executed in public by beheading, hanging, quartering etc.
Wang So is not in the wrong here. She killed his brother the king. He can't change the law of the country just because she's Hae-soo's frenemy.

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Yes! I didn't like that HS was like "He killed my sister"...um like she killed his brother, sooooo ...She didn't make any sense, if anything she sounded a bit spoiled.

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I just roll my eyes and move on. I had a hard time rooting for her from the very beginning, thanks to the writer etc.

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Exactly! Plus Moo was really So's brother whereas Su just thought of CR as a sister. A sister that that almost had her hung for high treason and was the reason Lady Oh died. Conveniently Su does whatever she feels like and expects So to be at her beck and call like a dog.

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TBH I think HS would have gotten upset with WS no matter how humanely CR died...

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I stopped rooting for Hae Soo about 16 episodes back. It's not just that she isn't smart, it's that she also has no reflection and seems incapable of growing. Her ability to love seems stuck back in school girl crush mode. Her friendships are superficial. She is still just as clueless about Goryeo life as she was years ago. She still makes impossible demands without understand the consequences or what she is asking of people. She is loyal to all of the wrong people, for all of the wrong reasons, and does not seem to have a clue about the disastrous effect her choices have had.
Her unreasonable support of Chae-ryung, blaming her crimes on a life begun in poverty and 'being in LURVE' are really just part of the same old tedious pattern.
Really, without much work, and especially if the part was played by a real actress rather than a standard-issue idol, Hae Su could be styled the ultimate villain.

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Okay this is the episode that ruined the show for me, I understand that they need to separate them since they apparently are following the c-version ending. I hate comparing the two versions so pardon me for mentioning it. I can't get behind the reason for her leaving him. In the c-version she had a very good reason miscarriage and palace drama made her leave. This one is so stupid. Chae ryung really? She's the reason you are leaving your great love. She murdered a king! but it was for love~ She murdered a KING!!! but love~ cute movie but still murder bro. ( 10 points if you know that reference haha) She literally lied to her the entire time and plotted and murdered but So is the bad guy for punishing her. Okay * rolls eyes. Thats the dumbest reason for her to leave him. She was close to king Moo, he was truly kind to her but no it's okay that Chae ryung killed him because love~ Next I understand why he married Yeonhwa and I fist pumped when he refused to sleep with her but I don't understand except for story purposes why he couldn't send her away like with his other wife. The deal was to marry her, no one said she had to be in the same palace as him. I also seen the previews for the next ep and like the c-version they seem to be using her past love with the 8th prince to make So send her away. *sigh again stupid. He knew she was previously in love with someone she told him that. Process of elimination only leaves Wook so really thats on So to not figure out and besides with all the time jumps how long has it been since she had a relationship with wook? Come on show step it up.

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No.. not CR per se .. there are much indication that WS has changed, Soo still love So, but she can't accept his decision/cruel action toward people. She very against when people treated like animal or things

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They are implying that She is the reason since she mentioned it to Beakah. She said the man I love killed my little sister, then gave him the pin and told him to tell Jung the secret message to get her out. She is using Chae Ryung as her last straw for leaving which is insane given everything she did. She deserved to pay for her crimes, maybe not beaten to death but seriously she tortured a king over a period of years by poisoning him. Su is being totally unreasonable to a man she supposedly loves. I don't think So has changed very much, he didn't kill Jung he sent him away. He has to protect his throne which Su herself said was okay and thats why he could marry Yeonhwa. So has been trying extremely hard to keep all of his promises to her but she gives up at every turn. At this point why should we root for her? I mainly want them together so he can be happy because that poor guy deserves some happiness

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Su has quickly become one of the most frustrating female character in my recent memory. The way the writer writes her just drives me nuts. I feel that most of her decisions were made to serve a plot point instead of something that feels in her character. The crazy time skips and the way the drama tried to insert backstory after the fact certainly does not help. It took out a lot of my emotional response since I cant understand the motivation behind the action. Drama, please be good next week.

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I don't think Su truly loves So. I think its just a kind of love but not a true love. He clearly feels more for her and treats her beyter than she does him. Time and time again she believes the worst in him. At this point id rather see him try and move on. All she does is expect things to gappen her way. Im glad Yeon Hwa gave a wake up call

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Gals, I just don't feel the same! I think she has completely rewritten what she feels is acceptable and melded herself for So. From a gal who said would never be with someone who is with someone else, she says she'll stay with him as he marries and makes (someone who has always been awful to her) his queen.

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I find it funny that the same people who wanted Wang So to continue messing around with Hae Soo even after he is married are the same ones who criticized Wang Wook for liking and expressing his feeling for Hae Soo while he was married to Lady Hae.

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I never had a problem with Wook and Su's relationship. I was disappointed in him for abandoning her for Yeonhwa but even then I understood him since that's his family.

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I hate it when girls do pathetic stuff (censored the word down) for love. But I also cannot understand since I don't place love very high on a pedestal as well. My priorities are pretty much all equal.

I've seen it in real life over and over again and when I see it in dramas, it makes me so mad. Like for real, this is a fictional character. We can at least make her the smartest love bug of all but instead, we make her dumb and love craze.

It definitely isn't a big enough reason for So to send Soo away b/c of her past relationship with Wook. I can understand if So refuses to let her go and becomes even more possessive and she asks Wook to play along. Soo can act as if she cheated on So - that would hurt him a lot more!!

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At first, I understood that probably it's not So's decision that made her mad, but the way he punished her. It's too cruel. He could've just hanged her, ordered her to drink poison, or take a bath in a pool with high concentration of mercury, but he beaten her to death like an animal.

But then she said "she's just woman in love"

WTH is wrong with you, woman?! What kind of logic is that? LOL.

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Honestly I think it wouldn't have mattered how he killed her, the fact that he dared to kill her friend is all that matters. Su doesn't care what chae ryung did, she only cares about herself. That's why she defies So at every turn, I can't think of one time that she actually listened to him. She does whatever she wants and expects him to just get over it. She openly defied a kings orders by bringing Jung which could have gotten Jung killed. She didn't care, but you know if So had followed his own orders and killed Jung Su would have flipped out. She never listens to him but has the nerve to get angry with him when he always tries his hardest to make her happy and do what she wants. She seems to be forgetting her own advice when she told him this is a time when people have to kill other people to survive.

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Amen to everything you said. So is very forgiving of her... not fair :( He even plays with her childish whims. The balance is always leaning on So's side, why can't Su give a little bit more?

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I wonder if So killed Won instead of CR becoz he was the master behind CR dirty deeds in the palace, will that make more sense or acceptable to Soo.

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Maybe So is trying not to kill his brother as requested by Su, "please do not kill your brothers". Never occured to So she would hate him as well if he kill a friend/maid guilty of treason.

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I pity So in this regard, what should the man do? He is torn between what he should do as a strong king and what he shouldn't as Hae Su's lover.

I think Hae Su underestimated the throne and overestimated herself. When she agreed to stay with him she knew the palace could be cruel but maybe thought she could handle it, but she was wrong. The sad thing is she already promised not to leave So. I remember So saying something like if she can't love him back then don't lead him on, but she still went on with her kindness and drew him in. Even Lady Oh warned her not to do that if she was not ready to commit.

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@banini
I agree. So and Su’s relationship have always felt uneven, with So always doing the heavy lifting.

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Maybe I suppose dared to kill her friend without discussing it first with her is the issue here. To me every one of the princes has equal right to the throne. Soo I suppose dont have the gut to change history so she kept quiet about the blank letter by King Yo and sided with So as the elected King now.

She was lulled by So showing his cute gentle side to her that she think she can actually make So a much nicer King if she stayed by his side.
But So is the type of guy who would not consult her over state matters. Soo is only there to entertain him. Plus his continuing anger issue and wanting to be accepted due to poor me mommy dont love me syndrome made it hard for her to go on. Maybe Soo just wanna died in peace.

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I understand Su reaction. One day she stumbled over the corpse of her only friend. Without any warning.

She is told that the girl was a bad one but CR is already dead leaving her a pathetic letter. CR isn't here anymore to take responsibility over her crimes and she lost her last person while So got a new wife. She is on disbelief.

She need time to cope with the situation which is really unfavorable for her. More than one day. I don't find her reaction bizarre, people always need time to handle bad news. If she had waited before she decided to leave, she could have changed her mind.

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Umm no. She had enough timeskips to grow a brain but she didn't.

"CR isn’t here anymore to take responsibility over her crimes and she lost her last person while So got a new wife. She is on disbelief."

She nudged him to marry YH so please don't make it sound like So out of nowhere married himself off without regarding her feelings. He even reiterated to her that his heart will only belong to her.

And wasn't her death her punishment for being a manipulative and murderous snake?

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Wow. I am really sorry I didn't mean bad-mouthing your precious So.

I just said I understand Su feeling.
Even if Su agreed with So marriage, it was more a sacrifice than anything else. At first she refused the idea but Jimong and everyone made clear that she would be of no help as his legal wife but mistress would be good enough for her. She had to accept that while she was waiting to wed him for so long, she can be sad, can't she?

And we know that everything will be different because he married Yeonwah who is mean, sadistic, harmful and hate her. She will never be in peace in the futur. She really doesn't have her place anymore in the palace and she is right to leave before to begin the next lady Oh.
She is probably thinking about lady Oh warning as well.

And what Su can't accept it's the way CR was executed : "beaten to death, like a dog".
Think about it, the night before, CR was comforting her and they remembered their old souvenirs of lady Hae together. That's the memory of her "little sister" she kept. Not CR the regicide.It's not easy to turn one's back on friends overnight, isn't it?

She simply need to digest the information that the CR she loved was actually a pernicious liar. I imagine if someone tell me that my bf is a killer, I would think twice. Not you.

For once I understood what she meant.

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I think Su is only using CR as an excuse to leave the place. I think the situation after Wang So marriage got so suffocating for her that she can't tolerate...in one hand she lost her love to the throne (and Yeonhwa) who she always hated, on the other hand So turned out to be very unhappy after his marriage and therefore it impacts their relationship, their relationship can never be the same after So married Yeonhwa even though Su gave her blessing to him...

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"What is Brooklyn Nine-nine?" Alex

Do I get 10 points?! jaja

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YAAASSSS! 10 points for soyjade haha I realized my auto correct changed motive to movie haha that scene was the first thing that jumped into my head while watching it haha Cool motive, still murder though haha

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In the preview for ep 19, we saw that Wook will make the confession about their past love. I think this will be what separates them. No more on her part, but on his, since he's too jealous and angry. I'm already saying this without seeing ep 9 as I feel it's just unfair of him to have to pull out the jealousy card because Wook was there before him. He was her first love.

I guess because of all of Wook's betrayals and evil plotting and hidden acts, he'd really be so disgusted and even angry that she used to be in a relationship with Wook. Again, unfair.

Anyway, let's see what happens on ep 19.

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I wouldn't class it as unfaor. So has been as honest as possible with Su. What does he get in return: her constantly doubting, thinking he is evil, telling lies and then playing the victim. Chae ryung is the reason Lady Oh was hung and she tried to frame Su. By her logic she cant be mad at Yeon Hwa cos she was/is in love with So.

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Perhaps Wook will even reveal to So that Haesu was the one who warned him of Fourth Prince, the one who inevitably set everything in motion...

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I know right, i'll just pretend that this show ended in episode 17, thank you very much show

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The queen is not someone who can be shipped off to live somewhere else.
The queen of Goryeo lives in the palace. She has a duty to the king and her country.

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I completely agree with you on this episode. It was incredibly frustrating for the reason to leave be Chae's death. She was a pawn that set into motion So wanting to truly become king, Yo coming into power, Eun and his wife being killed. And her reason is love? Oh, and nevermind that she basically said she didn't have remorse because of her love. It's like HS forgot that the people that have died were people she cared for too.

I've made it this far, so I will watch the last two. But 17 and (more so) 18 have made me less enthusiastic because the reasons are... they're just weak.

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I'll still watch my love for Jun gi won't let me quit since there are only two episodes left. I just wish they had made the separation more believable. Using Chae ryung and the very short lived romance with the 8th prince many many years ago is to me not a good enough reason. They only ever held hands and were not even formally engaged. He also knew she had feelings for someone so its not like she hid it. Them making it a big deal now is just silly. She's yours , she chose you, why do you care about her first love? Also if Wook is branded a traitor typically the entire family is held responsible. So if Wook is charged with treason Yeon hwa would also be punished as his family. Hence the exact reason that Wook covered for her in the first place. So if they punish Wook and leave her alone I'm going to be pissed since that would mean Wook sacrificed Su for no reason if only Yeon hwa would have been punished.

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Yeon Hwa is married to Wang So. She belongs to him now.

Wook's family would be his wife, his children, grandchildren etc. That does not include extended family.

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So basically he is going to die alone.

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I have seen many historical dramas where the misdeeds of the queens family still caused the queen to be punished. Usually its stripped of power and banished to a secluded palace where they only have the title of "queen" but no power.

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It's "Cool Story Bro!"

But really, I get her motivation(s) to leave. Yes, C-version made more sense, but I think that it's not just CR now, it's everything and it's all very upsetting and overwhelming. So has been demonstrating the harsh, cruel authority of a ruler in that era. He's obviously changed. That is not easy to accept. Yes CR had major faults but would you be cool with your significant other causing anyone to be taco tortured? I mean really, this is horrifying. And now even thought she's trying to play it "fine" she is not okay with the idea that she's the other woman to wait in a room all day. She is seeing things get worse and worse, people getting hurt, and everything crumbling without any foreseeable stop. I'd want out, too!!!!

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I agree that she made up her mind to leave plainly because of Chae-ryung seems a little too weak and forced to be the reason..

At first i felt pitiful for chae-ryung from watching the preview.. But after So rationalized the reasons and what she did in a nutshell and Baek-ah telling her that So knew it all along and didnt intend to do that if she is willing to leave.. And she herself realizes how much things she was hiding from her too that she couldnt even tell lies and truth in her..

If at least Baek-ah part or her own realization part wasnt shown, i can still buy her story..

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But of course, it could be all the build up which made up her mind (like how So had changed since he became the king, exile and strip Jung off all his title.. and all the change in him)

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This plus realizing that unlike what she thought, since Lady Hae and Oh death, she never had friends and she is all alone.
She can't trust anyone like lady Oh told her. She knows she is at risk to be persecuted by YH who already was responsible for her being tortured.

And finally starting from now with this marriage and without anyone by her side, she can't delude herself with the impression that everything will going and ending well anymore.

I never had much sympathy for her hardship because the character of Su is mainly a rough draft of a fictional heroine and it's never really sprung to life, but the writer has not spared her.

It's wise to surrender, she is isolated, dying, exhausted, hurt and she lost to many battle. She had many enemies. She will never be happy in the palace.

CR's dead help her to figure out that.

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Possible too.. Like her heart problems, build up over time..

Hopefully next ep we get a better explanation or shed some light over it haha