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The Lonely Shining Goblin: Episode 12

If you’ve been a fan of every minute of Goblin, this episode won’t change your opinion—but it may if you’ve been someone who’s felt hot and cold about the show depending on the story focus, in which I suspect this’ll be a good episode for you (us). It’s rich in emotional development, finding touching moments in small details, as well as driving our story forward with truths coming to light. It may have taken forever, but better late than never.

 
EPISODE 12 RECAP

Eun-tak comes face to face with the ghost of the king’s evil eunuch, Park Joong-heon, the same dead soul who’d once met Reaper and showed no fear. He gives her an unsettling leer, confirms that she’s the goblin’s bride, and licks his lips. Yick.

Eun-tak forces herself to act normal as she shoos out the ghosts, citing the start of business hours. The other ghosts pout at her for being so mean, but dutifully leave. Eunuch Park lingers a moment later, then also vanishes.

He leaves her with an uneasy feeling, and the memory of his blackened hands and tongue make her shudder later. Her attention then turns to Shin’s hanja love letter, which annoys her all over again.

Sunny drinks at home, thinking of Reaper’s confession of his identity, and with each shot alternates between wanting to see him, then not wanting to see him. Of course, she knows every bottle has seven shots, and begins purposely with “I want to see him,” thus choosing the answer from the start. Then she starts the game over with pickled radish cubes, saying the same alternating refrain as she picks them out one by one.

Reaper asks one of his subordinate reapers if he’s ever been hit with peach blossoms, thinking of Sunny hitting him with the branch the other night. (Peaches are thought of as warding off spirits.) The other reaper has, and warns that the injury lasts a while. Then Reaper asks if he’s ever wanted to recover his lost memories, and his subordinate says no, that erased memories are just like ones you never had.

Reaper says he longs for his. “Don’t,” his subordinate says. “We’re all sinners. You don’t know what will be behind that longing.” Reaper thinks of Sun in her past life, dying as a queen, and sighs that he knows that but can’t yearning anyway.

Later as he drinks at home with Shin, he admits that Sunny found out his identity, then wonders where she found a peach blossom branch in the dead of winter. Ha, Shin gets a little shifty, knowing that he made them bloom because he was so happy with Eun-tak, though he feigns ignorance.

Shin says that since Reaper’s been outed, he may as well grab Sunny’s hand again to see if he can see Shin in her past life. Reaper protests that seeing a past life is mentally taxing, like somebody’s shoving their way into your mind. He starts to say that Sun’s beauty was overwhelming, but Shin levels a glare and warns that this is his sister he’s talking about.

Reaper does recall seeing the young king, and Shin grumbles that she was thinking of him in her last moments, with no thought for her brother.

Eun-tak heads to Reaper’s door clutching her notebook, but when seeing him with Shin, she hurries away. Shin, however, summons her notebook and flips through it, finding the hanja letter she’d copied. Now that she’s been caught, she admits she was going to ask for Reaper’s help in figuring out the backstory to the letter Shin wrote to his first love.

“What’s the front story?” Shin asks, looking confused. He says it’s not a love letter, which she doesn’t believe, having gotten the translation from Deok-hwa. But Shin says there’s no way Deok-hwa could have known those words—he’d kept them to himself, his plea to the gods about confessing his first love.

Reaper reads over Shin’s shoulder and confirms that he’s right, leaving Eun-tak confused. Reaper and Goblin look at each other in bewilderment over Deok-hwa knowing things he shouldn’t know, like knowing that Reaper could erase human memories. Now they think of various incidents with budding suspicion, like how Deok-hwa knew Eun-tak was at a ski resort, or that Sunny was Shin’s sister in a past life.

Meanwhile, Deok-hwa sits at the bar of a crowded nightclub, looking out at the sea of clubgoers dancing. He sees them in slow-motion, an inscrutable look on his face.

We flash back to the day Deok-hwa met the young Samshin Granny on the bridge, and had asked her out for a drink. Now it’s apparent that they already knew each other—and that he’s some sort of god as well. Perhaps the ultimate god?

As Shin and Eun-tak have their first encounter in the rainy street, Samshin Granny notes that the goblin has met his bride, and Deok-hwa replies that it’s fate. Granny asks why Deok-hwa brought Wang Yeo (the king) to Shin: “How can you make the man who got stabbed by the sword meet the man who stabbed him with it?” Deok-hwa just says, “That’s another fate.”

Samshin Granny says disapprovingly that there ought to be limits to him playing around, and that Shin has suffered plenty. Deok-hwa answers coolly, “That is the weight of one life.” We see the times Shin had killed on the battlefield and on that ship, and Granny snaps that he should have created a perfect world if that’s what he wanted. “Then people wouldn’t search for god,” Deok-hwa says. Oh my gahhh, you are a frustrating god.

Granny tells him to stop tormenting them, and to let them recognize each other and make their own choice.

Back in the present, Shin and Reaper arrive at the nightclub to confront Deok-hwa—but just as Shin gets close, time slows and the air ripples in front of him, like it’s a barrier between him and Deok-hwa. Shin changes his speech from the familiar to the formal, asking for an introduction to the god.

Deok-hwa recites Shin’s last words while dying out in the field: “Do not pray to anyone. God is not listening.” Then he repeats Reaper’s words back to him, about how god must have a reason for erasing his memory. He tsk-tsks both for getting it wrong.

“I was always listening,” Deok-hwa says. He’d even given Shin the chance to ask for death, and asks, “Why are you still living?” He turns to Reaper to say he never erased his memory—he made the choice to erase his memory (having drunk the tea).

“God is just the one who asks questions,” Deok-hwa says. “Fate is the question I ask. The answer is for you to find.” He points a finger back to himself and tells them that this is goodbye to “this kid” as well, and suddenly butterflies materialize and flutter upward to the ceiling.

Deok-hwa’s body goes prone and falls to the ground as time resumes. He slowly comes to, and when he looks up, his old personality is back, like he’d never been god. (Or hosted god temporarily? How do these rules work?)

Shin and Reaper stare in bewilderment while Deok-hwa tries to figure out if he got blackout drunk. Then Shin says grimly, “Whoever you are, let me hit you once.” Reaper has to hold him back, HAHA, saying that Deok-hwa hasn’t done anything.

Sunny and Eun-tak eat roasted sweet potatoes at the street vendor outside the goblin manor, and Sunny says matter-of-factly that she knows Reaper is the grim reaper. And if that’s true, then the strange man who insists he’s Sunny’s brother must have lived for nearly a thousand years. Eun-tak apologizes for not saying anything and confirms that yes, she is technically the goblin’s bride.

Eun-tak advises Sunny to call Reaper, rather than hanging around in hopes of running into him. Sunny protests that she can’t call after being the one to suggest breaking up.

Then Sunny startles Eun-tak by knowing what she was going to ask before she asks it (a request to revise her schedule), and Eun-tak looks at her in wonder and asks, “You’re a human, right?”

A group of grim reapers (sans our Reaper) arrive at Sunny’s chicken shop, and the moment she turns to greet them, they’re hit with her beauty. Ah, Reaper’s hoobae suggested the place, since he’s Sunny’s upstairs neighbor, and she brings them a plate of free chicken. But then she says, “Since you do such arduous work,” and the reapers’ eyes widen—could she know who they are?

That night, the ghost of Eunuch Park finds the woman reaper and speaks to her familiarly. She eyes him with distaste, but he asks if she’s not curious to know who he is or why he’s sought her out. Moreover, doesn’t she want to know who she is? He advises the reaper to touch Sunny’s hand, saying that she will find her sin in that past life, and also Eunuch Park’s.

Reaper is joined by Hoobae while he’s brooding outside, and admits to thinking thoughts he shouldn’t be thinking. Hoobae warns him not to, saying that things are tense right now in the wake of the reaper who ran away. Their reaper management has even issued a reminder to them not to forget that they’re all criminals.

Hoobae hands over a briefcase of this month’s death notes, and Reaper wonders to himself, “Is it the answer that’s been given, or the question?”

Looking over the name cards later, Reaper finds the chairman’s among them. He tells Shin, giving him the chance to see him one last time, but Shin says he’s already said everything he wanted to. He asks Reaper to see the chairman off with Shin’s words to be reborn in a life where he can live freely, not bound to anyone, and that Shin was very grateful to him.

Eun-tak overhears the conversation, and Reaper advises her to prepare for the chairman’s death and look after Shin. Alone in his room, Shin starts to sob, and the rain starts to pour.

Deok-hwa is busily griping about having to do menial work at his company when Secretary Kim comes by to deliver the news.

Shin sits down to write the message that will mark the chairman’s gravestone, and struggles to hold back his tears. That gravestone is placed on that hill in Quebec, among the other faithful servants Shin has buried.

Eun-tak finds Shin sitting in his room, and embraces him gently. She says, “So this is what immortality is,” but adds that the living have to continue living, which is the proper way to respect the love you’ve been given.

Deok-hwa is in worse shape, full of guilt and remorse for not being a better grandson. “What do I do now?” he cries. “What do I do now that I’m all alone?”

Shin says, “Why are you all alone? You have me. Stay with me, and don’t worry.”

Deok-hwa remains listless and unresponsive to Shin’s, Reaper’s, and Eun-tak’s attempts to cheer him up. Shin even offers to summon gold, which Deok-hwa had previously begged him to do, and Reaper apologizes for not giving him warning.

Deok-hwa just thanks them and excuses himself to polish the silver, and tells Shin that grandpa arranged everything before his death. Secretary Kim has been named CEO, and Deok-hwa recognizes that he himself isn’t ready. He promises to learn properly from the bottom up, suddenly full of the maturity he’d lacked, and says he’ll learn how to play baduk too: “And I’ll become your hyung, father, and grandfather. Like my grandfather.”

President (formerly Secretary) Kim goes through Grandpa’s last documents, and smiles to see the envelope marked with Deok-hwa’s name containing a brand-new credit card. There’s one with his name, too, and it contains a letter telling him that he will meet Kim Shin, who will “come walking in the rain and go in blue flames,” to whom the grandpa’s every possession belongs.

Samshin Granny walks across that familiar bridge toward Deok-hwa, and as they pass, she senses that the god has left him. Deok-hwa asks confusedly if she’s talking to him, and she describes him as a kind child, telling him to remember that his fortune comes from his good nature.

Deok-hwa asks her out for a drink, and she tells him to drink with a beautiful person. “You’re beautiful,” he points out. “Drink with a person,” she says, and waves goodbye.

Shin and Reaper prepare dinner together, and Reaper sighs that he’s envious of Deok-hwa for having an uncle. He adds that he’s feeling a lot of envy and yearning these days, and Shin starts to tease him—but then, out of nowhere, Wang Yeo’s face flashes in place of Reaper’s.

It’s just for a split second, but Shin notes that he saw a face in Reaper that he hadn’t seen before. Reaper asks whose face that is, and Shin replies, “A face I shouldn’t be seeing.”

As Deok-hwa works in the living room, Shin hovers in the background, grinning like an approving parent, saying that he’s proud to see that Deok-hwa has a use. Then one of the resumés in the pile catches Shin’s eye, of a man named Kim Woo-shik.

Eun-tak gets dressed with particular care for her first day of classes, and assures a concerned Shin that she’ll be fine, showing him her bag full of arson materials. He says she’s missing something, and she puckers up expectantly, thinking he means a kiss. Shin smiles and places a necklace around her neck—the one he picked up in Quebec.

She asks what the letters read (destiny), and he explains that it’s an absolute kind of fate designated by the heavens, out of humans’ reach. Then he forbids her from dating, Tae-hee oppa, and letting any man within 30 centimeters of the necklace. He calls his rules heaven’s fate and therefore immutable, and sends her off with a smile.

Once on campus, Eun-tak records a video message on her phone, using an app to draw a cartoon goblin’s hood around her head (making her look like her Mr. Buckwheat doll). Shin watches it on his way into the chaebol corporation’s office building, which is holding job interviews.

Ah, that’s what that resumé was about: Kim Woo-shik is an applicant, and he’s awaiting his turn. Shin enters the hallway as Kim Woo-shik waits, looking at him with strangely emotional eyes. The man notices Shin staring, and we see the moment from his past life when he was Shin’s second-in-command, the man who vowed to follow Shin in death before driving the sword into Shin’s chest.

Shin tells him that his path (to the afterlife) must have been lonely because Shin lived, and asks for his forgiveness. The man doesn’t understand, but finds out later that he got the job, which brings his family to tears. They must be struggling, since they live in a rooftop apartment, and President Kim soon shows him to the fancy new apartment provided by the company, as well as a car, “Because you had a good interview.” Awww. President Kim even provides him with a name for his future son, promising great things for his future.

Kim Woo-shik asks why he’s being given such lavish things, and President Kim answers, “Because you saved the nation in a past life.” It’s that ubiquitous phrase used when good things happen to people, and extra poignant because it’s literally true this time.

Kim Woo-shik looks around in wonder, and from afar, Shin looks at him fondly. Ahh, this is so touching.

Shin calls Eun-tak to pester her about why she’s not home yet, and when he demands to know where she is, she gets a gleam in her eye. Moments later, she blows out a match—and Shin finds himself crammed into a teeny photo booth, haha.

She says they can leave the booth in about five minutes, alluding to a heart-pounding way to spend the time till then. Ha, he looks disappointed when she pulls out an envelope of money, to be used to repay Sunny her 5,000 won for sweet potatoes. She’s providing him an excuse to see Sunny, knowing that it’s awkward to seek her out but that he wants to see her.

Then she gets up to leave, and Shin holds her back, wanting to spend more time together. He asks how school is, and starts to get pissy when she mentions Tae-hee oppa, though she adds that he’s moving to America to play major league baseball. Shin starts to brag about his ability to see which people are destined for greatness, and Eun-tak cuts him off with a kiss, saying she has to go to work. Shin gets flustered and bashful, and decides he likes small and cramped places like this.

Outside the chicken shop, Eun-tak runs into that little boy from the neighborhood again and greets him affectionately. Then she freezes to see the ghost of Eunuch Park staring down at her, and she quickly sends the boy off.

Eunuch Park does that terrifying teleporting move to appear right before her, and introduces himself by name. She tries to ignore him, but he stops her in her tracks by saying that Shin was the one to kill him, and that his punishment includes Eunuch Park’s life.

Eun-tak asks what he wants, and he says nothing: “I merely want to tell you an interesting story.” He says that Wang Yeo was the one to have the sword thrust into Shin, and names him as the beginning and end to “this tragic fate.” He gleefully declares that Wang Yeo is the nameless reaper currently living with Shin and wonders what will happen when they recognize each other.

He says, “Now it’s in your hands whether Kim Shin will kill or spare me—just as Kim Shin’s death is in your hands. Ah, looking at it, you are in control of death.”

Eun-tak retorts that Eunuch Park is wrong, and that their reaper has a name. After she leaves, his chuckle turns to a stony glare, and he says, “You asked what I wanted. I want their destruction.”

The encounter badly rattles Eun-tak, and in the ensuing days, she thinks of all the friendly bickering between Shin and Reaper, not knowing what to do with her knowledge.

Reaper seeks Eun-tak out first, finding her at school and explaining that he has nobody to share this with. He tells her of how people become reapers when they commit a big sin in a past life, and while he doesn’t know his, he suspects it has something to do with Shin and Sun. He’s identified three possible sinners in their history: Shin, for cutting down thousands of lives on the battlefield; Wang Yeo, who gave the order to kill Shin and Sun; and Park Joong-heon, the eunuch who directed the king.

That leaves his past self to be either Wang Yeo or Eunuch Park—but either way, he would be Shin’s enemy, and either way, he’d be unable to see Sunny.

As Sunny closes up shop that night, she jumps when the woman reaper suddenly appears and tells her that the shop is closed. The reaper says she’ll have to come back another day, and holds out her hand for a handshake.

Sunny takes it, and the moment they touch, the reaper sees Sunny’s past life—and herself in it, as the court lady who’d tried to serve the queen tonic (was it actually poisoned, then, and not the king’s paranoia?). Moreover, she’d been at Eunuch Park’s side when he’d whispered poisonous thoughts into the king’s ear.

Sunny perks up to get a call from Reaper, who says he’s outside her house. She hurries to get ready and meets him outside, then sees the somber look in his eye and asks about it. He says he doesn’t know who he is, which brings him fear, and hopes that “this” will be the right answer.

He explains that a reaper’s kiss will allow a person to remember their past life, and that he’s afraid to know who he was in her past life. But he hopes that she’ll only remember happy memories, that her brother will be in them, and that the brother will be Shin.

He kisses her. And then, the memories flood into her head, of Sun first seeing Wang Yeo before they were married, and then when he demanded she choose between her husband or her brother. He’d thrown her jewelry box to the ground, angry that she didn’t wear the things he’d given her, and picked up that jade ring. He’d said he would kill Shin today for treason, then forced the ring onto her finger, ordering her to act like a queen.

Suddenly, the scene continues with Sunny in Sun’s place, and Reaper in the king’s. He asks whose side she’s on, and whether she’d ever once been on his, or loved him.

She slaps him with tears running down her face, and he pleads with her not to stand with Shin—it’s her only chance to live. He asks whether she will live as his woman, or die as a traitor’s sister.

Sunny replies, “The woman who loves you is a traitor’s sister.”

When Reaper pulls away from the kiss, Sunny is crying. In disbelief, she asks what she’s just seen. He tells her it’s her past life, and asks if Shin was in it, and also himself. She nods yes to both.

Reaper asks Sunny to look him in the eye, and when she does, he wishes for her to only recall happy memories and forget the sad ones, “Whether in a past life or the present one. And also, forget me.”

He raises a hand to her cheek, and wishes for a happy ending for her. Then her eyes go slack, and he walks away.

After he’s gone, Sunny touches her chest and bursts into sobs.

The next day, Sunny opens her shop and finds Shin staring at her through the window. She asks sarcastically which ancient trinkets he will have brought for her today, but Shin offers her the 5,000 won instead, to pay for the sweet potatoes.

She declines it with her usual sass—but then, she asks “oraboni” if he really told the king she was ugly. Shin stares at the idea that she’s recalled her past life, while Sunny’s expression softens and she gets teary-eyed as she scoffs about the brother who never wrote back to any of her letters. She apologizes for taking so long to remember, and for not keeping her promise to be happy.

She steps forward to hug Shin, and thanks him for the gifts he’d brought her before. Wracked with emotion, they hold each other for long moments, and she tells Shin to come see his ugly sister frequently.

Reaper receives yet another death note with Eun-tak’s name on it.

As Reaper plays baduk with Deok-hwa, he touches his chest and admits to something bothering him. He thinks back to that night he’d wiped Sunny’s memory the first time, and how he’d been stricken with a sudden chest pain, just as Shin had been writing something.

Deok-hwa thinks back to that day and recalls that they were at the temple for Shin’s yearly trip—he’d been writing names that were sent up in a lantern. Deok-hwa remembers Kim Sun and Wang something.

On campus, Eun-tak walks right past the ghost who’s always tagging along, and the ghost gets peevish, knocking her books to the ground. Then she realizes that Eun-tak isn’t pretending not to see her—she actually doesn’t see her.

Eun-tak is preoccupied in the car ride home, and only snaps back to the present when Shin says he’s happy to be picking her up. She notices he’s in a good mood, and he tells her that Sunny remembered him.

It only occurs to him now to wonder how she remembered, and suddenly Eun-tak looks serious. She asks him to pull over, then tells him she’d been deliberating over whether to tell him, and recounts her encounter with Eunuch Park. She’s not sure of how things are related, but it’s occurred to her that the strange things that happen around them could be connected to Eunuch Park, including Sunny’s memory return.

Shin takes up watch that night from a tall rooftop, surveying the city below.

In an alleyway, Eunuch Park sets his sights on a drunk man and follows, licking his chops. But before he can do anything, a hand grabs him by the throat and holds him up against the wall—Shin, gripping the goblin sword in his other hand.

Eunuch Park as been avoiding Shin for nine hundred years, and Shin asks why he suddenly allowed himself to be found. Eunuch Park says somewhat cryptically that he found it absurd for Shin not to recognize his enemy.

Shin just says that he’ll cut out the eunuch’s tongue first, then rip his body to shreds. The sword flashes blue-green in his hand, and then he slashes it across the eunuch’s body.

But nothing happens, and the eunuch crows that he can’t kill him with that sword. In a blink, he disappears from in front of him and reappears down the street, laughing that Shin must fancy himself a real god after granting a few wishes. Shin advances again, intent on killing him by any means necessary.

Then Eunuch Park does something to the drunk man nearby, possessing his body before sending it crashing to the ground. He sneers about Yeo growing up and changing drastically, and Shin orders him not to mention that name.

“Do you know who that grim reaper next to you is?” Eunuch Park asks. “The one who stuck that sword in your chest is none other than him. He is Wang Yeo.” He adds that Shin’s sister fell for him again in this life, and laughs that Shin will never be able to get his revenge on him.

Shin thinks back to all the clues that didn’t make sense till now, like Reaper’s reaction to Sunny and the portrait of Sun, and recognizes Reaper’s ring as the one his sister had worn when she died.

Full of purpose, Shin barges into Reaper’s tearoom, then his bedroom, but doesn’t find him anywhere. Reaper is currently at the temple, sending up a prayer before two names posted at the altar: Kim Sun and Wang Yeo.

Shin shows up to Sunny’s chicken shop as she’s leaving for the night, and asks point-blank if Reaper was in her past life. Was he Wang Yeo?

Shin’s intensity unnerves her, and she tries to brush him off. But he grabs Sunny’s arm and asks again, and from her silence, he realizes, “In both that life and this one, you are protecting that fool.”

At the temple, Reaper wonders if it was all true: “The emotions that remained without memories—were they the punishment I gave myself, so I would not forget that I am Wang Yeo?”

Shin arrives at the temple and walks in with purpose, much like he did as the general marching in to meet his fate. The Goryeo scenes intercut with him now as he makes his approach.

Reaper thinks that he was the worst memory for Sun and Shin, just as he hears Shin’s voice: “You can hear my voice, can’t you? I can hear yours.”

Finally, they’re face to face. While Goryeo’s Shin had been cut down before reaching the king, now he reaches Reaper and grabs his throat, announcing himself as the general here to see his king.

Some time later, Reaper (as Wang Yeo) clutches the queen’s bloody clothes and says that they have no owner now. Looking disheveled and heartbroken, he says, “Are you looking for them? Then take them.” With tears falling from his eyes, he tosses the clothing into a fire.

He walks away from the flames, and then adds, “It is a royal order.”

 
COMMENTS

I’ve been struggling to connect to this show on an emotional level, so this episode was a good one for me; there were lots of poignant moments sprinkled throughout, and lots of reasons to feel angst and pathos. In addition to the primary plotlines, we also had Deok-hwa’s growth in the wake of his grandfather’s death, and the brief but heart-stirring bits with Shin’s old second-in-command being rewarded for his faithfulness—which show that a lack of screentime doesn’t preclude moving storylines. (I wish the show would learn that more screentime doesn’t necessarily more emotion, either.)

I haven’t wanted this to be the reason for my disconnect, but I think I liked this episode more than the others because it was fairly removed from Eun-tak, and despite wanting to warm up to her as our heroine, I’ve just been unable to. All series long, I’ve been waiting for more depth from Eun-tak, thinking the show might have more in store for her, but at this point it’s safe to say that she is who she is. There’s no more “wait and see” for me, so I’ll just have to live with the fact that I still don’t like her. I don’t hate her, either, but as a character does nothing for me, the performance is hit-or-miss, and I find the story much more gripping when she’s not the focus of it.

Which is why I’m hanging in there thanks to Shin, Sunny, and Reaper. I do find Shin quite moving in the non-Eun-tak moments; his romance is pretty cute so I don’t mind him having a loveline, but it just pales in comparison to the impact the rest of his story has. It was a relief to move the story onward, then, from focusing on his love story to the greater tragedy surrounding his past betrayal. It’s almost poetic how good and bad come hand in hand for Shin: First, he could only die at the hands of the girl he loves, and now, the discovery of his sister’s identity comes alongside the realization that Wang Yeo is inextricably linked to her in this lifetime as well.

For not being given a lot of time—either onscreen or in the story—to process or react to the truth, I though Sunny displayed lovely pathos in her past scenes. Yoo Inna does a wonderful job bouncing between Sunny’s present-day personality and the sadder, more heartfelt Sun, and I loved when the king and queen’s argument switched to Reaper and Sunny. There wasn’t anything wrong with the version of the scene that we’d seen previously, but man did Lee Dong-wook and Yoo Inna pack that short exchange with eons of feeling, giving the exact same dialogue so much more gravitas. (Aided, of course, by new information and added context.)

Reaper continues to be the most intriguing and sympathetic character for me, and it’s such a sharp characterization, because his current self makes it almost impossible to reconcile him with the past Wang Yeo. It retroactively makes me want to find goodness in Wang Yeo (although if I’m being frank I don’t really see it, not without doing a lot of fanwanking to get me where the show didn’t take me), and to find some kind of loophole where he can pay for his past sins and earn his way back to ordinary happiness. It just reinforces the idea that the gods in this world are cruel—because despite what Deok-hwa said when he was god (about not being the answer, just the question), I was right there with Samshin Granny in thinking he was dragging out that punishment far longer than made sense. I guess he would argue that it’s the goblin’s and reaper’s faults for not figuring out everything sooner, and that he isn’t actively keeping them in their punishments, but come on. He’s certainly not inclined to lift a finger to help.

I have to believe that there exists some kind of happy ending for Reaper, even if he doesn’t believe there’s one in store for him, because he’s just so… good. He’s such a nice guy! Shouldn’t it mean something that rather than searching selfishly for a happy solution for himself, his main concern is to leave one for Sunny? I think what’s directly ahead of us now, with Shin knowing Reaper’s true identity, will be the source of all kinds of angst, but the kind that I find dramatically rich and satisfying. Noble idiocy where lovers spend needless time apart being sad “for his/her own good” is the dumb kind of angst that wastes their (and our) time, but this kind of rock-and-hard-place conflict ought to make for some heartbreaking and moving developments. I mean, as long as Subway and Baskin Robbins keep their noses out of it.

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Whether it's the goblin bride character or the actress playing the character, her scenes are the reasons the fast forward button was invented. A wide-eyed naive 19 year old girl with too much affected aegyo and matches on her hands belongs at the Dream High Moorim Weighlifting Fairy School. Romantic Doctor Teacher Kim, please pull out the sword.

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SO TRUE.
She is a little too young.

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Please share with us, the wildest and absurd theories that you read or heard about goblin's drama plot?

For me when someone come out with a theory about queen had affair with archer that have same face with the king. It really hilarious and out of space. Hahaha

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I read some comments insisting Grim Reaper is the Queen, Sunny is the King, even after episode 11 aired lol.

Or something about Grim Reaper is bisexual?

Sometimes I wonder how some people think of those theories?? I'm amazed.

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Bisexual...??? Lol

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No joke. They said it's because Grim Reaper is feminine and wears makeup, Sunny is masculine despite her feminine ways.

I can't even.

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Hasn't it been pretty much confirmed for awhile now who is King and Queen lol. I am all for different theories and speculations but sometimes I do think there is some serious overanalyzing going on when most of the storylines are pretty much straightforward.

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Lmao! I think I saw that one as well. It's just absurd considering there were already more than enough confirmation already. I for one love to come up with theories with shows like this that keeps you guessing, but I wouldn't insist to not see the elephant in the room lol.

Bisexual? Maybe, I would think effeminate, not automatically bisexual. To be fair though, LDW's reddish lips against his milky white skin, migh not appear too manly for some viewers.

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Sometimes when the theories get so ridiculous I judt assume they're trolls ?

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Because there is a film that spins on exactly that twist possibly?

Won't name it - it's an old film but if you've not seen it it's still a spoiler :)

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I commented that I still wanted Reaper be Goblin's sister tho, I just find them cute together, more than Goblin and Sun, I wonder if it was my comment you saw, I didn't insist on it , wondering if you saw my comment

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Have you perhaps been reading soompi ahhahaha

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Hahaha. Maaaaybe...?? ?

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Sometimes when the theories get so ridiculous I judt assume they’re trolls

Lonely, non-shining trolls

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Or something about Grim Reaper is bisexual?

Well, if he is bisexual, and if a reaper's kiss restores memories of a past life, then he could have restored Goblin's memories a few weeks ago and saved a lot of angst. And after all, they're "roommates" :)

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Omg, hahahahaha ????

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*SIGH* YES I was one of those so sure that Grim was the Queen... In my defense, for a funny short bit, Kim Shin came up with the same conclusion, so don't think I'm completely crazy!! :P XD

But I also knew his name was Wang Yeo from some promotional info before the show started, before I knew any of their names were kind of a secret. I already knew the Wangs were Goreyo royalty thanks to Scarlet Heart... So I guess deep down I knew he would turn out to be the king? Still wished he was the queen.

Listen, I just wanted Goblin and Reaper to be a happy family and not be at odds like they are now. *sobs*

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Like @cherryarrow said, I also read some comments in which the poster was very insistent that Yeo was Sun and Sun was Yeo even after episode 10 had been aired. I vaguely remember someone saying that since Yeo was wearing the same coloured robes as Sun when she died, he really had to be Sun instead, despite him being dressed, you know, in the robes of a king?

Also I think the stuff I've mentioned last episode, like Grims being subservient to Sunny and Sunny being dominant, stuff like that. I feel like that poster was playing into stereotypes a lot? Plus perhaps they didn't have a lot of experience with East Asian mythology and/or culture, who knows.

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Lol Kumoiwa, I wonder if we're both reading the same comments.

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Lol, it's like Sammaekjong in The Hwarang. He is clearly the king and it has been stated over and over. His name alone is a give away (Sammaekjong was King Jinheung's given name) but some still insists that he is the fake king.

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...Wait what? Sometimes I wonder are we even watching the same drama....

What will they do if they watch something more complicated like Queen Seondeok?

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@Kiara: Really?? o.o Wow, Sammaekjong has a Wikipedia article and they couldn't go look that up before saying stuff like that? That's incredible.

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@cherryarrow and @kumoiwa

I am not kidding, I wish I was.

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Can someone help me to understand more about a missing soul. Grim reaper have 2 missing souls
- Eun Tak
- Eunuch / minister / advisor

I mean before that bus accident happen.

But why Eun Tak's ghost friend that wore grey shirt are not classify as a missing soul? Because if you look back episode 1 during Eun Tak was born that ghost already existed. Thanks in advance.

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Maybe she's someone else's missing soul. Not Reaper Wang Yeo's but from another reaper.

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In Eun-tak's case, "missing soul" is someone who was supposed to die but didn't, not a ghost.

There are so many ghosts wandering around that if they qualified as missing souls we'd be up to our necks in paperwork.

But if Park Joong-Won is a missing soul I have a problem, because he sure seems like a ghost to me. He might look a bit like a zombie, but he can teleport, and he's so ugly I have to assume he's invisible to normal people. I haven't seen many invisible zombies lately :)

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I was rewatching an earlier episode, one of the reapers was telling Yeo that another reaper met his dead wife's soul from his previous life, he made her a missing soul and they ran away together.

So maybe ghosts can become missing souls too?? I think the drama needs to explain to us more what the definition of a missing soul is.

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Re-watched a different version and the subs call evil minister "deceased soul", not "missing soul". If that's an accurate translation it would make sense because he's dead and she isn't. They're different kinds of problems, so call them something different.

Then the other reaper's wife is probably not a ghost -- her hubby saved her so they could run off, both alive (?)

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I watched the Chinese subs, and the right translation would be "other missing being" (其他遺漏者 <- the hanja they also used in the drama). It's the same word that Yeo uses on when he refers to Euntak as well. Wang Yeo called the other missing being (assuming it's Park Joong Heon) a "mang ja" (dead person) interestingly.

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well for a second I actually considered that Grim Reaper was the previous king (Yeo's brother) at the end of episode 10 coz of his sickly face & robes HAHA. but logic took over and I immediately dismissed that (no, jk GR is Yeo just as we all thought) but I feel like I saw some people thought the same here.

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Oh that's interesting, but I see where you are coming from. I do admit, Grim Reaper being Wang Yeo wasn't as obvious compared to others (Kim Sun/Sunny). In the beginning I thought Grim Reaper is just another Reaper, ? oh KES, you.

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On An Archive of Our Own, there is a fanfic that strongly implies that Shin and Reaper are Roommates with benefits.

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After a lot of thinking I just came with the conclusion that in order to survive, our Goblin needs to forgive Wang Yeo and the only person who can teach him how to do it is Eun Taek, maybe that's the way she pulls out the sword, that was why the eunuch revealed the truth identity about the Grimm reaper... That's just my theory, it's not hilarious but.... ,,?..
Of: sorry for my English ?

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Yes, Goblin is on the same boat as ghost Park in a way. They both have grudges they need to resolve and revenge is not the way to do it.

Park is out to destroy them by revealing just half of the truth and Wang Yeo's identity.

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The show would have had a stronger plot is they had cut out the 'goblins bride' angle. The core characters are the goblin, the reaper and sunny. It's about their shared history and redemption. The whole 'goblins bride' angle was added because we need a love story in a drama. Also if they had explored the sister-brother dynamic more between the Goblin and Sunny, it would added the emotional heft to the show, which it needs bytheway.

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well it's nice to have someone new, someone not related to their shared past

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Perhaps it would be a stronger plot but it would not be the story the writer wanted to tell.

The primary relationship development in the story has happened in the house with the housemates Goblin at center, and this two primary relationship. Sunny until 10 served as a plot device, a mcguffin, something to trigger a mystery and to get folks moving. For the relationships that actually had character development the Goblin's Bride's function is as the catalyst for change and well as continued the changes by changing herself.

Without the bride there would be no need for the GR and Goblin to work together. Through her Goblin and GR changes. They go from indifferent acquaintances to co-defenders. Because of her bonds are made to with her and around her. Goblin and GR knew each other before the bride came on the scene yet never developed a relationship.

The plot only works if the Goblin wants to live. Without his bride he would still be pining for death.

Sunny has not had any character development before chapter 10.

She started out as a beautiful bored chicken shop own waiting for her older king. Each episode she asked GR one question that sent him into hiding. That dynamic continued for umpteen episodes. That didn't change until she knocked GR hat of invisibility off his head.

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I couldn't agree more.

Some may be more engaged in this previous-to-present timeline plotline with SunnyxReaperxGoblin and do without Eun-Tak, but Eun Tak (and the God) is the catalyst of it all. She has been what brought these characters together, and made them question things they hadn't for centuries. Without her there wouldn't be much of a reason why things for the goblin would be different now vs hundreds of years before or after (save maybe the fact that Sun is re-incarnated in present-time, but that again is entertwined with the timing of the bride's life and her duty to end Kim Shin's life and "debt". ).

To me Sunny's character and development holds depth and weight in present-time *because* of her previous life. I think that if in the script she just were her present-self I would find her uneventful rather than intriguing.

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I couldn't agree more.. this was not even eun-tak episode.. how adorable it was when reaper sought out eun-tak to talk when he needed someone...
I agree she is not the brightest in the series but she is not so much annoying that I wouldn't want to see her..

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I completely agree with Yumi's point that Eun-tak was the main catalyst for everything happening. I personally enjoy the whole past-present and GRxSunnyxGoblin storyline but I do appreciate Eun Tak's character as a breathe of fresh air from all the reincarnation. However, I do sometimes wonder how the story would be if it focused on GRxSunnyxGoblin.

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I completely agree with you regards Eun Tak role in all of the character's development

i actually rewatched the drama from episode 1 and now im so in love with it, i let the writer tell the story for once and disregard my initial discomfort of her over cheerfulness and everything just clicked

her being so cute-sy kind of undermined her impact on all of the other characters and saw goblin couples blooming relationship in a new light.

every interaction however lengthy and draggy was done to tell us these so called supernatural beings faces problems like we all do, with fear and confusion and a whole lot of other points made this drama a one heck of a show

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What continues to perplex me is people sacrificing 16 hours plus of their lives on something they don't like and are not obligated to do.

I understand that people find the age difference between the leading couple to be borderline pedeophillic. Although I don't see it that way here, I have had that response when the stated information is undermined by the visuals, for instance casting a childish looking actor to play an adult romantically active character. When that happens I don't support the project by not watching it. I don't support something that offends my morality by giving it my time and purse and continuously complain.

I'm also confused when people have decided what the story is when they haven't seen the entirety of the work. Yes it might a redemption story. I'm convinced that redemption and forgiveness might well be an important, if not the primary component of the story. However it might also be a coming of age story.

All the characters are stuck at some stage of development and while ET's coming of age is an obvious and familiar coming of age story, all the characters, except perhaps the Goryeo queen are in desperate need of growth and learning to take responsibility for their choices.

The Butterfly god dropped some important knowledge that should reframe both Goblin and Grim Weeper's worldview. There is only freewill, fate is a question, not a declarative statement.

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"There is only freewill, fate is a question, not a declarative statement."

Absolutely agree. I wonder if your statement is the point of the exercise for the writer of this drama?

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I was sleepy with the 11th ep because being so bored with the saeguk history with no kim shin in it. And they give us same-video-replaying over and over. Same view, same dialogue I almost press the fast forward button, but recognize I have to watch to understand what the writer mean in this drama.
Thanks God that eunuch evil shake my sleepiness in 12th ep.
I was so shock when Kim Shin's sword didn't work on him. Maybe he can harm Eun Tak too.
Everytime I watch KGE, i get jealous over her pureness as Eun-Tak. I hadn't seen that innocent eyes on her previous characters.

To be honest i think the main role is kim shin, grim reaper, eun-tak, and the eunuch. Sunny is backgroundless in present time, as Kim Sun too, her life and death happened just to make Kim Shin story become more dramatic , just like Kang Chul family in W.
Anyway, yoo in-na is very beautiful with the saeguk outfit.

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If they cut out the goblin bride angle, this drama wouldn't be existed.

It would be just some other drama and the casts wouldn't be Gong Yoo, Lee Dong Wook, Kim Go Eun, Yoo In-na, Yook Sung-jae, Lee El, Kim So-hyun, Kim Min-jae, and Park Hee-von.
It's a stars studded drama because the story is epic.

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If a 30yr old actress was playing a 19 yr old character, some will complain that she is too old. She is 25 and she looks young enough to be a 19yr old high school girl.

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But she talks like a middle-aged woman. I don't mean her voice or tone, but somethings she actually says. Then I see the writer in the actress's guise babbling on rather than the 19-year old JET character.

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You mean the script makes her sound like a middle age woman or am I totally missing your point?

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Yes, for example, the scene in the pojangmacha on New Year's Eve. The kinds of things she says, vocabulary she uses... I find it unbelievable that a 19-year old girl would say and act that way. More like something a bit buzzed slightly horny ajumma would say.

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Lol got it. I have to admit that those are the kind of things that a typical foreigner like me would totally miss (lost in translation).

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I HAD to add in my comment to yours as it's really relatable to me. I'm 20 and till now I've heard it countless times that I behave and sound like a middle aged woman. Like literally my family and friends take me and treat me like one. Maybe ET's character is so likable to me because I'm kinda like her. In her case, I think being in the supernatural world since her birth made her overly matured. The writer wanted to disparate her from a usual 19 yr old by her speaking style as well (don't know much about it as i don't speak hangeul though) to show her matured emotions.

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I work with 19 year olds

Some act and speak like 15 year olds
Others act and behave like responsible adults in their late 30s.

Like most other age group the way an individual may behave runs from one extreme to another.

Additionally ET is not a typical 19 year old.

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I think her sometimes talking like a middle aged woman is intentional for sure. Just as someone else mentioned, the writer probably meant it that way. Even from the first episode, 9 yr-old Euntak used language most 9yr-olds wouldn't know which Her mother pointed out. It probably has to do with the ghosts stuff and also the fact that she grew up without her mom, doing most things herself

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I don't mean she acts more mature or she is precocious. I mean she exhibits the weight of age, the kind of non-innocence that comes with age. For example, she's drinking what must be her first shot of soju and she already says things that only seasoned drinkers will say.

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It would've been so much better if her character was her age (25) from the very beginning.

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I hear what you are saying but she is no normal teenager. She has 'only' interacted with ghosts who are ajummas, halmonis, etc. Now, she lives with a 900+ year old Goblin and a 300+ GR, add to that a 900+ Eunuch. For all i care she could use Goryeo talk and still I wouldn't mind. As any human, she is learning from the influences around her and talks like them. In the previous episode she actually was talking to a man who killed his wife because of another woman- not your everyday teenager problems or scenarios.

In fact, if i remember correctly, Goblin in an earlier episode asked her how she knew about 'The 4 seasons of death', to which she replies that the ghosts tell her things. Again, Sunny asks her about the same, to which she again says the same thing. I think that is enough explanation.

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THIS and this: "There’s no more “wait and see” for me, so I’ll just have to live with the fact that I still don’t like her. I don’t hate her, either, but as a character does nothing for me, the performance is hit-or-miss, and I find the story much more gripping when she’s not the focus of it."

She's seriously the reason that has kept me from fully enjoying the show. I thought it might be her diction or unnecessary aegyo, but it's a combination of all that javabeans listed. I really wish they had written her character differently and gotten someone else to play the part (someone with more acting experience/caliber like her counterparts on the show).

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honestly i can't imagine anyone playing Eun Tak in a likeable way, i blame the character

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Me too, I also find the character lacking some much needed depth that would make us connect with her. To be honest I find the actress already doing her best in trying to beef up the character... But oh well you can only do so much.. I find that the writer and director can be a little forceful in trying to show the emotional/romantic developments, for instance letting goblin brood for waaay too long or for sunny and the reaper to do some mindless exchanges in the chicken shop that really don't add any weight to their romantic progress. I wish we would see more episodes like this one where not everything is set up for ppl or for goblin to look pretty, but actually allow us to see actual tension and conflict...

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I agree. I think it is character fault in this case.
Could not imagine any actress to take this role and make this Eun tak more interest yet. And could not think of better way to interpret this character base on how the writer make Eun tak say.
The character is a bit confused and inconsistent based on the dialogue, so it is understandable if audience could not feel what is actually Eun tak personality.
In add, other three characters have so much way back history and story that we all known of, while Eun tak is just that, the girl with 20 years history who just graduated and start university. It is not surprise that she feel flat comparing to other characters.

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I agree! I think it is how the character is written. One of the annoying things in KDramas for me is that the female lead is often depicted as helpless but not helpless. They always give her a little gumption but then take it away completely. Why can't a woman stay strong and independent throughout the show? Maybe it is a cultural thing. That is what I find frustrating.

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Kim Go Eun is an awesome actress. You can notice that in Cheese in the Trap as well as various other good films she did. I guess its just the fault of the characterisation this tym

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I can't say that she is completely wasted here. Part of me is glad that she took the role because talents alone doesn't always sustain one's acting career. More exposure is good and that's one of the reason why some film actors do dramas in between films.
I just hope she'll both go back to Chungmuro after this drama.

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*they -Kim Go-eun and Gong Yoo*

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Kim Go Eun is definitely not bad.. but the character she plays is sometimes too childish and sometimes just has no depth compared to other characters.
I guess the writer thinks if you're 19 yo you'll act like Eun Tak.. Wrong! I've seen many mature girl around this age. With no parents and no one else to rely on, Eun Tak realistically should be a bit mature and not overtly doing aegyo.
KES sometimes write unbelievably immature characters like the heroine of Gentleman's Dignity. So I guess it's more on characterization than Kim Go Eun's acting.

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And i saw a lot of people on their 40s acting childish. What does it mean? Everybody is different. Not because you so 10 mature 19-year-olds means it the same with millions of other 19-year-olds. ?

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@endo well of course there are many childish people, even myself acts very childish.. But that's not the point.
I see the character itself act as a very childish woman, like trying to be cute and doing aegyo in front of her boyfriend. Which is unfortunately makes the viewers disconnected with the character, Eun Tak.
Nah, I see it as the writer who wrote the character that way, not particularly because the actress herself, as we've seen in some of her heroines of her past dramas.

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Indeed, having 19 and being (relatively) inexperienced in life does not mean that you have to be an airhead or only think of nice bags. And this girl is supposed to have gone through a lot. I think the writer has forgotten how she was at that age. Even if Eun Tak is playful or childish, it shouldn't be the only angle that we see from her...Anyway, not sure if it is only the writing or also a wrong directing (who's making her to speak in that awful tone?? it seems that she will start crying any minute, all the time), I don't like the character either.
This is the reason I fast forward too, not interested at all in the love line. I feel bad for Gong Yoo because the Goblin character also suffers from this, but the truth is I only watch for the Grim Reaper and Sunny. Their characters are mysterious and with a good background story; on top of that LDW and YIN are so charismatic and funny together. I totally get why most people prefer the alternate OTP here.

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Truth is they are all childish and she is the youngest who is getting the most criticisms.

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You thought the main female of Gentleman's Dignity was immature? Maybe Ma Ri, but (to me) not the main character. Interesting.

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@ Kiara- Truth is they are all childish and she is the youngest who is getting the most criticisms.

I completely agree! I was thinking of Shin being a warrior as a kid. He never got to act like a teenager. Woo Bin (Yeo) has the innocence of a child because he has no memories of his past. He's basically a clean slate.

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I think part of the reason it's so hard to connect with her, at least in relation to the others, is they all have this 'other' connection, from Goryeo. She has only shown up recently in their lives, but now the other three have this much deeper connection. I kind of wish she had some sort of connection to that time, as well.

And now that I've said that, I don't want there to be a connection that shows up at the last minute. It should have been there the whole time.

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Yep, I think this is it. Sunny, Kim Shin, Grims and Park Joong Won all share a history that spans beyond 900 years and lingers despite the fact that they've all undergone some sort of metamorphosis and their human bodies have long since passed.

I love Eun Tak and Shin; they're sweet, unwavering in their love and a much need source of comfort and support for each other. But the romantic storyline between them is very much resolved (existential crisis withstanding,) whereas the Goryeo bad blood which all the other characters sans Eun Tak is part of, is only coming to a climax now.

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I couldn't agree more with what you have said. I find myself drawn to the three characters (Goblin, Reaper and Sunny) because of that. It's hard to be in the same page with people who've shared so much history, she has little story of her own that intertwines her with the other characters who have so much history, so at times I felt like she's a little bit distant to them. Or maybe she's more of like a tool to bring the band back together, but her character development falls a bit flat. The drama's premise is revolving around the goblin's bride and the curse, but it feels like it ended up being a side story instead of the story being focused on that. They would probably stir back to that direction soon (hopefully) but I feel like it might be too late since most of the viewers are drawn more to the shared connection and history between he three. Now that they've added the adviser to the mix, I feel like they might completely deviate from how I think the story should be and will leave Eun Tak's character on the sidelines. I've also noticed that they usually try to save their characters by having shared connections in the past, but that would be frustrating to show it at the last minute. And with so much history with Goblin, Reaper and Sunny, even if they manage to find some connection with them in the past, that would probably useless either way so I really hope they won't do it.

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And also the relagtionship between Eun-tak and the goblin gives me a 'sugar daddy' kind of a vibe. Doesnt make feel like I'm watching a romance.

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Why Euntak has to be a highschooler would always be the lingering question in my head. A struggling woman in her mid to late 20s would add more depth to the story.

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She needs to be 19. The grim reaper met her first when she was 9, next will be 19. The writer is following the 9-19-29 belief of Koreans. When your age ends with 9, something bad will happen. That's why she needs to be 19. It wouldn't fit in the story if she will be 29.

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Good grief, comment like this in eps 12? We're never gonna pass this, aren't we?

*facepalm*

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Nope it's never going to end lol.

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Urgghh.. it gets tiring. Talk about turning an ant hill into a mountain! I do remember reading articles in allkpop talking about viewers finding the age gap disturbing between the otp; then in the episode that same week (forgot which one), there was this scene where Shin & reaper were talking about the possible hindrances in a relationship between Shin & ET like age gap. Then Shin just said "it's just 900 years, so what?" Or something like that lol! I think that's the writer & the production team's response to those viewers.

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Well, because it keeps being annoying for some of us still. I'm happy they're keeping their romance light-hearted, otherwise I would've already dropped the show, and I don't want to drop it, for I love Shin-Sun-Yeo part of the storyline.

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Unless ET character is 915, I will always have an issue with the age difference.

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Actually you can't blame them it's one of the issues in the show that has been criticized heavily.
http://www.straitstimes.com/lifestyle/entertainment/k-drama-goblin-is-very-popular-but-very-controversial-in-south-korea
Not the actor's fault but I don't get why people see there isn't nothing wrong with that
It's not only about age. But the show promote a relationship where the young girl has nothing and no family in a relationship with an older man that have everything to provide to her. What kind of message to the young generation is that? Just when we started to get more stronger and independent female leads...

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I am also thinking that maybe if they had another actress with more charisma, and one with actual chemistry with Goblin, then maybe her character would be more watchable. As it is, when all the other actors and actress are so intense and so magnetic in their respective roles, that the actress that is Eun Tak just embarrassingly pales in comparison. And it doesn't help that she acts in such cringe- worthy manner. They have made her character so annoying ,and unlikable. The character of Goblin becomes more interesting, more riveting when in a scene without Eun Tak. But, my goodness!That scene of Reaper and Sunny is the reason I love Kdramas!
Peace!

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Me too, I don't if its the actress or how the character is written, I just couldn't connect to her. You'd think she'd be a tad mature now, considering the "obstacles" she had encountered. Heck, even Deokhwa was able to grow out of his "childishness".

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Dukkie is older than Eun-tak. He is supposed to be in his 20s and he should be more mature.
Eun-tak just graduated from high school in the last episode.

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Story wise, ET met Shin in September. And their story progresses in 4 months now, what kind of maturity would anyone expect I wonder? She grows up without anyone who truly cares for her, it's a good thing she doesn't become a jaded, cruel bitch.

Gosh, I can't believe I'm writing this kind of comment I wrote 10 episodes ago.

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I do wonder if it's just a bandwagon thing. I would somehow understand it if it's during the first few episodes, but now that we're in the middle of a major plot development, and that's the only thing one would care to point out? I'd rather discuss outrageous theories instead.

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Yes. It's bandwagon. Imagine how many people whine for a character that has been like tha since ep 1. I wouldn't be surprise that there will be a petition to remove ET at the story by next episode.

Good thing Goblin is doing well in Korea. Because if it's not. International viewers will blame it on Kim Go Eun. And her childish character that she don't have control. ?

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Why does a lot of KGE fans are so sensitive with criticism? Not all people will like her character you know! It's just a matter of preference! Some of you doesn't like sunny as well and called her boring and that's okay because that's how you feel and I will not question that but why can't others express their opinion regarding ET? We keep on saying this because up until now we can't connect to her character and it's definitely not our fault if we feel that way! Why accuse us as kge hater or bandwagoning with the hate? Just because we don't like her character we're automatically a hater is that it? I don't hate kim go eun this is my first drama of hers I just can't connect with eun tak! I'm also sick and tired with this butthurt ET fans who criticises Sunny's character but got mad if ET is being criticise! Talk about double standards!

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I agree Wendy I have noticed the word "hater" being used way to much I mean not everyone will like the same characters and storylines you will have a preferences. It really is not that serious.

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@ Wendy

I didn't get it at first, until I read the horrible netizen comments about KGE even before the drama started. There literally was internet backlash when she was cast. People can be so cruel and mean.:(

There was a lot of prejudice against her because of her supposedly less than stellar "visuals", which I find bizarre, because personally I find her beautiful.

So, for some reason unknown to me, KGE does have lots of haters in the netizen world, which is why her fans are sensitive I guess.

I think @maya is just annoyed reading the exact same comments about "Eun-tak is boring, I don't connect with her" week after week.

Whether or not one loves a character is always subjective, Though I'm happy that the comments on dramabeans have been mostly civil, concentrating on the writing of the character instead of launching personal attacks on the actress.

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@wendy : As you said, it is a matter of preference. It's a matter of perspective. Not everyone who dislikes ET or KGE is a hater, therefore not everyone who defends ET/KGE is a fan of hers. You're talking about double standards; you people can criticize ET/KGE as much as you like, but don't forget that some people can criticize Sunny as well. I don't know who you're referring to when you mention 'KGE's fan being oversensitive', but to me you're the one who's angry. Relax.

In my very own opinion, there is absolutely no need to blame the actresses. The drama hasn't gone that bad and you guys (and me), are still enjoying it. I don't have any complaints against Sunny and although I too, skipped a few scenes with ET in it, I can't blame the actress because if the character is potrayed by some other actress I would have probably dumped the drama since ep 1. A high school girl with too much aegyo following around an ahjussi. She makes the character tolerable.

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Hi @Wendy if you were referring to me as a "KGU butthurt fan", then I think I'll have to point out that just like you, this is her first work I've seen. I didn't watch this show for any of the main cast. Although I've seen some of GY (Big & TTB) & LDW's (My Girl) works, I'm not some "hard core" fan of any specific celeb in this drama, so I think it's safe to say that I'm looking at this drama with objective eyes. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that people who criticize ET's character are accused of being KGE's hater; but just so we're clear, I'm not blindly loving ET just because of the actress playing her, so let's get it out of the way. I do understand if people are bored with her now since her character's taking a back seat as we delve deeper into what happened during the Goryeo period; just like I understand how people are bored with Sunny when she's the one who's taking a back seat during the first part of the show where we're introduced to the goblin and the dynamics with his bride, and they try to build the foundation for their relationship. However, if people can constantly criticized ET's supposed immaturity, childishness, and age gap (which is almost a millenium actually, which the characters have no control of ), and the people on the other side of the argument almost always responds with an explanation; then we, or I, for one, can comment on this tiring exchange as well right?

Of course, you can dislike ET'S character all you want, it's just that sometimes, I think SOME people just jump on the bandwagon without proper explanation on why they dislike the character. Again of course, one can just dislike something without a reason. Sometimes, one doesn't like something "just because", and people can do that, but I think it's just fair to expect a reaction, be it with you or against you.

Have a good day, and hope we'll all continue to enjoy the show and the discussions about it.

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I thought it'd be more clear to viewers that part of her "childishness" is a shield for her to cope with all the misfortunes in her life and somewhat hide them when interacting with others by exacerbating the positives. It's not an uncommon behaviour.

Yes, if you just look at the surface Eun Tak seems immature, but ironically that's exactly what her character would want you as an outsider to see, whilst if you focus past the surface there's so much more.
If people pay attention, when it matters she is not immature.
- You've got even Grim Reaper coming to her for advice when he feels lost or does not know how to act (in this very episode for instance, when he struggles with his identity as maybe Wang Yeo or Eunuch).
- Or when the grandfather dies, she is really there for Kim Shin and offers him some great words of advice.
- Or when she deals with the ghosts and their sorrows she is thoughtful and earnest - the ghost that wanted food in the fridge for her mom to see; the ghost that ended up being her mother's friend and wanted flowers to be laid...
- Or when she talks to Kim Shin about the fact that you can't live locked up because of fear

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Or when she thoughtfully gave Gobs the money (her monthly installment payment for her tuition?) to repay Sun, so he'd have a reason to see his sister.

I disliked her aegyo-ful portrayal and high-pitched cutesiness initially, but finally warmed up to her during the graduation class scene where her loneliness was heartachingly palpable.

I also loved how she comforted Gobs with wise words about moving on positively, after Chairman Yu's death.

Still not feeling the romance but yes, I like her more now. :)

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I warmed up to Euntak's character as the show progressed. I wouldn't call her my favorite character, but it does not matter since I like them all here.

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true! I really don't like the main couple's romance. I know its been mentioned before that their age gap is an issue but I also found that in the previous episodes they really didn't have great communication. They were always hiding things from each other or acted immaturely, or expected the other to read their mind. I really don't see how a 938 year old goblin can fall in love with her who's still yet to mature. Even scenes where she insists that goblin is lying about the love letter and doesn't believe him shows her inability to think through other's positions and only about herself. I always fast-forward goblin and JET's parts just because the camera always replays scenes and spins unnecessary love circles around them

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I think it's because the writer never fully focuses on the female character in her dramas. I find that the male characters have more of the spotlight than the females.

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ohmigod yes, this. felt the same with DoTS. SHK character was more often then not the ridiculous and silly plotlines.

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Noticed that too except for Secret Garden wherein Ha Ji Won's characted complimented the drama and the lead.

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Most of her female protagonist doesn't have characterization
Even HJW in secret garden at the end, give up for her will for HB and let HB has the power to make a choice
The worst one at SHK ini DoTS, she stuck at how she is

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I have been frustrated with ET's character from the beginning, and each time ET & Goblin quarrelled over stupid things I would roll my eyes and sigh... this is just like DOTS all over again.

At least ET is a teenager. I had no excuse for how dumb SHK's character came across in DOTS all too often and her character was frustrating me so much. I wondered more than once how a character like that could have made it through med school.

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Yes. KES seem to really favor more and focus more (hence develop more) her male leads than female ones. They tend to have better characterization too. That being said, I think KES has improved in her writing when compared to her stories and characters from years ago.

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want a name that often successfully create an interesting also cool female lead material? Park Hye Ryun. I love all of her female leads. Park Shin Hye in pinnoccio, Lee Bo Young in I hear your voice, Kim So Hyun in page turner, even suzy's go hye mi in dream high.

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Erm, I just wanted to point out that for the OTP, one is a 19-year old who interacts more with ghosts than humans, has no human friends AND lived half her life with a terrible family.

The other is a immortal being who has lived 900+ years, shut himself off from society totally; interacting with only ONE male servant; without being able to hold a modern-day job for long.

HOW mature do you think they would be?

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Don't forget about THAT kind of chemistry our otp supposedly lacks lol

On a more serious note though, I'd give our otp some leeway to be silly and immature considering the terrible & lonely life they've lead prior to meeting each other. After all, even mature & smart people tend to be a little foolish when they're in love.

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@PersonaInnominatum, sorry! I should explained my point clearer. I just realised that I sounded as though I didn't like the 'immaturity' of KS/ET.

The reasons I mentioned above, were actually to support my view that I was NOT expecting our OTP to be as mature as any other kdrama or real-life 19 year old student/30-year old adult.

Instead of "HOW mature do you think they would be?", I guess I actually meant "HOW mature do you reasonably expect them TO BE?"

Hope this clarifies!

And yes, I agree that even supposedly mature people get foolish when it comes to matters of the heart.

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@khl no worries:) I didn't misread your comment. I was simply adding to to it because a lot of people don't find a chemistry in KS/ET like they do with GR/Sunny during. I personally like the different kind of chemistries in our 2 pairs. I do like the warm fuzzy & fuzzy relationship they have and the light bickering which some may find immature. Furthermore, just like you, I don't expect our high schooler to be the most mature of people despite being the one of the leads of the story, the same goes for our dokkaebi who isn't any better than ET when it comes to relationships (not just romantically) despite being much older. I'm just trying to enjoy their emotional roller coaster, appreciating both the good & the bad in their relationship.

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I find it interesting that so many people don't like Eun tak. I do find that in recent episodes she hasn't had much depth to her story, but I still enjoy the character and Kim Go-eun's portrayal of her. I find her a bit childish yes, but in small moments she also displays how mature she is -- like when she held Goblin's hand to comfort him for a sec before leading Reaper out of the room so Goblin and Sunny could have some alone time.

In a way, I don't think a more serious characterization of Eun tak would have worked, so I like the way she is. Sometimes it's almost like between the three of them, she's the more mature one because she knows better how to navigate the human world. And Goblin, he's so silly I think she's perfect for him, lol

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I do wonder if it’s just a bandwagon thing. I would somehow understand it if it’s during the first few episodes, but now that we’re in the middle of a major plot development, and that’s the only thing one would care to point out? I’d rather discuss outrageous theories instead.

I do agree, she's not perfectly written, but her bright character (despite her sad & gloomy childhood ) works for Shin & the story. I think our otp complement each other and make up for the other's weakness.

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"I find her a bit childish yes, but in small moments she also displays how mature she is"

THIS. Why can't people see this.

Meanwhile the 939 old goblin and 300ish grim reaper also showed quite the amount of childishness and I don't see people complaining. It's double standard.

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It's not double standard. It's the characters and the writer's director's and/ or actors' portrayal of the characters. At this point of time, I guess viewers can do without ET's 6534615247th aegyo antics. Goblin and Reaper's earlier comical interactions and banter have reduced very significantly.

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Double standard. Viewers (mostly females???) have no difference from KES--they said--only fond of male characters hahaha. Well, I've jut met a girl, probably a bit older than ET. She's bubbly and cheerful. She lighted up the room with her presence. I envy her. So that's why although ET's character is not rich compared to other leads', I find hers is what I am looking for. Shin doesn't need a mellow bride, his life is miserable enough.

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"his life is miserable enough" HAHAHA second that

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I think you're right that goblin and reaper show a lot of childishness, but it's largely played for humor and it's balanced well with the weightier aspects of their characters. Their stories have an emotional depth (the Goryeo storyline, Reaper living without memories, Goblin's curse of immortality, etc.) which ET's character seems to lack.

On paper, ET should have that depth as well, considering how she grew up, but the characterization leans in the childish direction. She definitely has her moments of maturity, but I do wish there was a bit more pathos in her storyline, and I can't help but feel like KES definitely missed opportunities to add depth and more of an emotional connection to the character.

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they can't see it because they were too busy fast-fowarding ET's scenes, lol

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Too bad I'm far too lazy to compile a list to cross-reference who admits to fast-forwarding which parts of which show and who says which negative things about those shows.

FWIW, I never ff. My mind might wander, and I might even fall asleep, but then I rewind.

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Yeah I don't get why people dislike Euntak. I really love her character actually. I love her LOVE of life, and how that is infectious and taught the Goblin something about life and existence, about how LIFE is about loving it and wanting to live. Her innocence, persistence, gratefulness towards life have turned on multiple lightbulbs in the otherwise grief-filled life of Goblin's..... Her love taught him to pursue and live from the beating of his own heart and to keep living against the odds. She's his salvation and EunTak's perfect innocence yet deep understanding about what's important in life brings so much fragrance into this story which talks about life, death, existence, meaning etc. in many subtle ways.

I don't get why people dislike her at all. Simple her characterisation may be, but she serves the purpose and does the job well.

I can't believe people don't appreciate the epicness of this love, where one risks life for another, it transcends time, age, convention etc.

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I can't say I don't LIKE ET, I just find her and her story...boring? Drawn out? Overdone? I'm finding Grim and Sunny far far more interesting and dynamic. I'm just not feeling the same heartstrings pull to ET as I do to Sunny. This episode made me far happier than any of the other 11. I'm not rooting against the main couple....I just think this one has so much more going for it. You can't do this drama without ET, I just don't think she should be the main focus.

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@lovefromabove1214 - I love ET, too! So sunny and fresh as a person, but with a lot of emotion behind the mask. That is good acting to look sad-trying-to-act-happy. I love the actress' portrayal.

About the romance - I think what may chaffe viewers (not me) is that the main love story really isn't fully a mature love, yet. He needs her. She relies on him. He's protecting her for (at least in part) a few selfish reasons, and just as selfishly, she wants him in her life since he's the first stable person in her life she she was 9.

So they are hanging onto each other as a sort of life raft vs. a mature love. And that's okay because this is just the beginning of their love.

This is in essence the ultimate "contract marriage" story and as we progress, they grow, they change, they become less selfish in their desires, and they will (I believe) have a rock solid foundation for love at some point.

I think a lot of people were hoping to see a mid-cycle romance like Sunny and Repear's, but that isn't ET and Shin's story at the moment. This is their beginning, full of innocence and awkwardness and a protectiveness that you might see in a big brother/little sister. It just seems that the story the show is telling wasn't what the some audience members expected.

However, for my part, I love it. So much so, that for the first time I think reading the comments is a bit of a downer and I may stop.

It's not that I mind discourse and I love that Beanies are usually thoughtful in the comments and the people who don't love the show state some great reasons. It's just that I come here during a live show for the fun and the celebration. Sure, I nitpick, too - but usually with an overriding love of a show that is so good it makes me watch in real-time vs. marathoning it from a safe finished distance.

So, it's great that everybody has their own opinions. It's just that, for me right now, it's almost counterproductive to leave the high of the show and let the comments take the shine off my show glow.

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truth to the FF button. Thank you internet.

I was always confused on why they made her a high school student. It's obvious that viewers would have their doubts on on her relationship with an older man (even if it's a fantasy and you're going to be 900+ years older no matter age you're going to be, it's all moot when you're a minor that over-aegyo's making the age difference all the more felt).

I had thought it would be more of a plot device to build off on and then skip a couple of years and have it make sense, like Doctors. But I see now that there was never a really good reason. Even the storyline about Eun Tak not being able to receive her inheritance and having the compulsory evil step family, did very little to the overall story. it certainly pales in comparison with you know, fate and tragedy and reincarnation. Ok, yea, she really wanted to go to college and only asked for $5000 because it was what she calculated to be able to graduate. Great growth development there Eun Tak.

But really it comes down to the writing and acting with a combination of direction, because 'hand-waving' exists for a reason in dramaworld and the same standard that i have for minors playing adults, I'm going to do the same for adults playing minors. Create a character that I can connect to beyond age, gender or physical characteristics. And don't be annoying.

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I also wondered why she had to be a high school senior first. What's it to the story because I have yet to see a compelling reason for it. It's not about the age gap. I'm just curious if there's a reason. However, like you said, there seems to be no special or particular reason for it. Unless I missed something.

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I think she had to be 19 for the reaper to be introduced to her and for her life to be initially threatened - our Wang Yeo said she will meet grim reapers whenever her age hits 9 so unless they skip past 19 and whatever happened there (presumably she would meet death) she can't be above that age when the story starts.

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If the +9 year thing was critical, they could have had the bride be a struggling 29-year-old temp worker and replaced the evil stepmom + insurance money with an evil boss + any other random problem. Maybe even have the loan sharks after her for money she borrowed.

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LOL. I think you have forgotten that the reason why the Grim Reaper failed to get her when she was 9 is because he had to report it and get a consent or something just like what the halmeonni said because the baby that was supposed to die has no name while Eun Tak has hers. After 10 years, he already have the necessary documents and is ready to get ET. Since a missing soul will meet a goblin every time her age ends in 9, if he won't meet the goblin when she's 19, the GR will get her and won't probably meet the goblin anymore. Then we don't have this drama at all.

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**meet a Grim Reaper everytime

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29 seems perfect. Let's say that she can't avoid GR when she was 9 then avoid it twice in 19. Then meet Shin in 29, still poor, miserable life because 2 women and 1 man take her mother insurance money then they leave her a lot of loan that makes loansharks after her?
That scence when KS n GR rescue her would still be exist.
How was it?
Lol

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She can't avoid the Grim Reaper @ 19 without the Goblin's help. As I said, the only reason why she avoided it when she was 9 was because GR has no necessary documents he needed to collect her soul because ET already has a name. When they meet again when she was 19, he was ready to get her if not because of the Goblin saying she is his bride.

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If they made her 29 they would have made all the other adjustments. The id papers would have been handled differently; it might have been some other problem instead of insurance; there might not even have been a greedy aunt. ET might have grown up in an orphanage, or she might have had a kind-but-poor aunt who had an unfortunate encounter with Truck-of-Doom just when ET was old enough to fend for herself. Or Mom might have lived longer.

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