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Misunderstanding leads to inspiration in The Liar and His Lover

More teasers for upcoming youth music rom-com The Liar and His Lover have been released including a seven-minute highlight teaser, and they definitely flesh out more detail about the story, which is based on the Japanese manga Kanojo wa Uso o Aishisugiteru. Lee Hyun-woo (Moorim School) plays the titular liar and Red Velvet’s Joy plays his not-so-secret admirer.

He’s a prickly genius music producer with family issues, and she’s a cheerful high school student who’s not too good at studying but amazing at singing. He falls for her voice, while she falls for him. Because he’s been having trouble with some creative property issues and his management label, he deceives her and tells her he’s actually just a wannabe composer.

From the get-go in the teaser below, as soon as she sees him and he anonymously gives her a yellow umbrella on a rainy day, she realizes: “What should I do? I think I’ve fallen for someone?” And when she meets him again, she follows after him with a bright smile on her face to ask: “Excuse me, do you believe in love at first sight?”

In the second teaser, the troubles with Lee Hyun-woo’s music group are more apparent. He just tells them to lip-sync and put on a good performance, and the sound techs will take care of the rest. His band, Crude Play, is incensed because he’s disregarding their own views on how they do their music.

The scene switches to Joy who is at an audition, looking nervous and afraid. She then meets Lee Hyun-woo at the river, and her voiceover says: “Every time I open my eyes, I want to see him. Every time I breathe, I think of him. Every time I sleep, I dream of him.” And she worries whether she’ll ever see him again.

The final promo video is actually a long-form trailer that’s almost a full seven minutes. It sets up the entire drama with so much information that I don’t know if there’ll be much more background to tell in the first episode. Beware of spoilers if you don’t want to know! It starts with Lee Hyun-woo, whose life passion is to make the music in his mind a part of reality. Unfortunately, focusing only on the music is a drawback when it comes to confronting real-world difficulties with his boss, played by Lee Jung-jin, who seems to have different profit-vs-art opinions when it comes to Crude Play.

Then we’re introduced to Yoon So-rim, Joy’s character, who is part of Teacher Bong’s class, the worst group of students in the entire school. But they seem happy enough, singing and laughing together. Her grandma doesn’t care about the grades, and urges her to focus on her singing. She thinks Yoon So-rim is destined to become a singer because her mom was one too. However, Joy doesn’t enjoy auditioning because she feels like she’s surrounded by cold judging faces.

We cut to a scene in a car, where a girl is telling Lee Hyun-woo she desperately wants to sing the music he makes. But moments later we see a crestfallen expression on his face because it seems that after time, her affections changed and now she’s involved with Lee Jung-jin. Perhaps it was this sadness that prompted him to go to the river, and inspired a new song. Joy, who was passing by on her bike, is stopped by Lee Hyun-woo who asks for her cell phone and records the melody ringing in his head.

Later, he’s hard at work producing this new song. He tells Lee Jung-jin he wants it to be the title track of the next Crude Play album, and he agrees after listening to it. But the bandmates are completely taken by surprise, and resist this sudden decision because they won’t have enough time to practice it until their next concert, and that’s when Lee Hyun-woo tells them to focus on the visual performance aspect, and not to worry about the actual singing. They’re outraged because they no longer believe he considers them musicians.

He’s also confronted with the problem of Yoon So-rim. When he sees her again, he tries to ask her for her cell phone so that he can erase the sound file, and asks her not to show it to anyone else because there could be copycats. But she thinks he’s just play-flirting, so she doesn’t take him seriously. Instead, she takes his song, and makes her own cover of it with her band to give it to him as a gift. However, he’s obviously upset when she presents it to him because in his mind, she just stole his song. But later when he listens to it alone, he breaks into a smile.

tvN’s Monday-Tuesday drama The Liar and His Lover will air starting March 20.

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She looks so awkward .... And she looks different in motion than in pictures

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Hm.. in my opinion, she's doing quite a wonderful job here for her first acting project! Yes she was quite awkward is some of the scenes, but she was decent for most of her scenes.

Maybe give the first episode a shot and see where it goes? :)

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I watched red velvet a lot and through these drama trailers I also found that aside from Joy looked different in motion and pictures, she would look different too depends on the angle of pictures, expressions, etc. I wonder why. I am real curious about people's reaction after this drama airs.

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I wasn't excited at all until this teaser! I read this is her first time acting but the lead actress shows potential. I'll reserve my judgment for now because the drama hasn't even aired yet. Nonetheless, count me hyped.

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The promotion has done well so far. Joy has really warm smile. Hopefully we will get what they promise. Introvert Boss was so different the trailer and the drama.

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i swear i'm not trying to diss or anything, but her teeth/smile reminds me of kim tae hee's teeth/smile, lol.

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Her teeth very huge, also her gums show when she smiles. Should have gone dentist to fix it when young

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Why is it bad that she has a big smile? What is there to fix? It's not like her teeth are crooked or missing. I like her smile, it seems open and bright.

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her smile makes her look like a total sweetheart, for sure.

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Bruh... seriously.

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Huge teeth? Gums seen when smiling? Sorry but those are charming especially if the actress has a bright or warm smile and I think Joy's smiles are refreshing.

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It think her smile is pretty
I always envy people with smile like that
Well, people have opinion, no offense, is it bad to showing gums when smiling that they should fix it?
I have seen in an episode of variety show Oh My School, and it seems smiling showing gums seen as not pretty there
Maybe there's different opinion because of culture?

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Kim Tae Hee's teeth actually made her look very cute. Joy also looks cute with her smile. I think that's her charm.

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I just hope that the scriptwriter will do a good job in writing the plot. So far, I'm not impressed on how they changed the story. Joy's acting seems awkward because she is an amateur. Her smile also not convincing, looks unnatural. Hope her acting will improve soon. Anyway, good or bad , I will give this drama a shot, then decide whether it is worth to watch or not.

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Disagree! I think she comes over as really natural and wholesome, her smile is like sunshine and tells us she has a good heart. I am amazed this is her acting debut ( I 've watched 6 episodes now and she is remarkably consistent) Red Velvet is a decided hit but this rom-com tells me Joy has a bright future in acting. This drama is compelling and I just want more!

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Awww. She has such an infectious smile! Not to sound weird or creepy, but she makes me smile when she smiles. Lol

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I see comments about how unnatural her smile is, but if you watch her in interviews with Lee Hyun Woo or Red Velvet, that's pretty much how she smiles... and what a pretty smile it is! I honestly think it's her best feature but to each their own I guess?

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I call that 'smile that makes flowers bloom'. There's something about how bright her smile is that makes me smile too. I remember failing badly on that Try Not To Fangirl vid of hers I watched months ago. She's so cute~ <3

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Comments here and previous posts are cutting off the urge I had of commenting when I first saw a new tlahl post on dramabeans. Oh well. Saw the V-live of the early interview with LHW and her a few hours ago. It was so cute.
I will anticipate the drama and avoid going where comments are so negative. From the comments here, I think this is one of those cases where watching with recaps will make the experience worse rather than better.

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Ikr? I've been dragged into kpop for almost a year, almost against my will. [Long story short, my serious boyfriend is Korean and I have been learning korean for almost two years because of his family. That's when I found out about hallyu, watched the reality shows of a few boy groups and never found the exit.]
Never had the urge of going into korean dramas even though I was told the fanbase there would match my age more and be more mature than the mess that is kpop fandom. I tried a popular korean drama once, apparently a huge success at home and overseas, but it was too soap for me.
I'm giving them another try because of Joy... but what I've seen of the comments on this site [I'm told is the main korean dramas blog for fans] is not giving me a very good image of the drama fanbase. You know it's a bad sign when comments on here are worse, more ungenerous and more vitriolic than comments on youtube, Naver, Nate or even Pann.

After being told the drama audience is more mature and thoughtful for so many months, and being looked down on by the real-life Koreans when I told them I liked kpop because it's apparently for young... so immature brats... I'm feeling quite wronged seeing how full of prejudice the superficial comments are(criticism for the way she's smiling, really?). Attacking a barely adult girl without giving her a chance... how is that less low than kpop. At least, there, there's no pretense for thoughtfulness or maturity.

I asked around for advice about how best to watch my first korean drama. I like to be thorough when I commit to something, as you can tell from the fact that I'm learning korean when dating a Korean. I want the full experience most of the time. After all that research, and being directed here and some other sites... I'm disappointed.

It's funny how the criticism on her voice, appearance and smiles on this blog are completely opposite to all the comments on Naver, the biggest Korean portal sites, and on Pann and Nate (notorious for netizens being critical) praising her voice, smile and appearance. Maybe this is the difference between film critics and just the pleb audience watching movies. But if being a knowing critic means seeing fault in something that brings enjoyment to most others like Joy's voice or smile, I'll pass on it. I loathe how immature the kpop fandom is as much as I like the groups. I was looking forward to experiencing another aspect of Hallyu that was more mature. How disappointing that maturity was just a code word for much of the same, just coated with more pretense.
Ciao.

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lol. what an epic rant.

did you really learn Korean?? wow, I'm dating So ji sub in my mind, but I still haven't learned a full sentence. I'm feeling like such a fail virtual girlfriend. lol.

i understand your disappointment. I've also seen comments on here criticizing her appearance and voice but i try to understand that it's all about taste even if i don't get the need to bring in looks or smiles, face size or whatnot into the discussion. I'm not against criticism, but I don't like the malice behind some of it but I still try to understand it you know?
dont get me wrong, I get what you're saying though, I'd rather find enjoyment than be a connoisseur who only is able to like limited stuff.. but you should give drama fans another chance. most of us are also just fans, not connoisseurs. we're not that bad.

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oh, and a lot of us drama fans are young too. I don't get why people have to look down on our taste just because we're young. Don't worry about those people looking down on you for your taste in kpop (or kdramas).

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I think you're overreacting by generalizing from this one/a few posts, which are definitely in the minority. If you've actually read the discussion on this site (i.e. check out Tomorrow With You comments), there is actually a lot of analysis and generally a positive slant.

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can't really blame her for generalizing when it's her first drama & all the posts for liar and lover on dramabeans contain several comments like that. trolls are a minority everywhere but I did notice there were more comments making digs at her appearance than in usual posts so it's kinda possible for her to conclude that there are about the same amount of trolls on here than anywhere else. Ofc we know better but if we look at just these posts, it's a fair assessment.

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It's not fair to compare the level of comments on here and comments on YouTube and the other sites she mentioned though. Fans mostly comments on YouTube so even though usually, there are more malicious comments there than here, this case doesn't count. It shouldn't be surprising to see more negative comments here, we're not fans. Same with Naver. Korea and the Korean public and netizens are in love with her right now so even though technically, it's not "fans," once again, not a fair comparison. And she also get hate posts in Korean sites about her weight so it's not as if those sites are that different from dramabeans. Plus, where can one go on the internet and not find a few comments criticizing appearances. If she's a celebrity, she should get used to it, she's an adult already.

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@Joan I agree that the more love and fans someone has, the more criticism is bound to follow, just cuz it's natural to compensate for the overhype fans make. Doesn't excuse all the hate comments on things she can't help like how big her face is, or that her smile is bizarre, or her gums. Worse is all the comments on her weight (not here thankfully). Poor girl can't catch a break and she's just 20 and been getting those comments since she was 17-18. I don't think it's right to do that even if she's a celebrity. I'm not her fan personally, but I do get how some of her fans can get over-protective after all those years of comments.

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LOL at Joan writing a long-ass essay proving your point.

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We should be able to express our taste. If there are people telling us she is pretty, it's our right to tell it like it is about how she looks weird to us.

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Second Joan. If there are lots of people who have the same opinion about how she looks, people should open their mind to the idea that perhaps she's not that beautiful like her fans like to boast.

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I'm a lurker and wasn't going to involve myself in this but I have to speak up.

I thoroughly disagree with Joan and ditto, etc. While it is all a matter of taste, and while I agree that we are all free to express ourselves, I also think we should give more thought to expressing negative comments compared to when we make positive comments. Because as humans, we're psychologically wired to be affected more strongly to negative comments. We can read lots of positive comments, but it's the one negative comments that ends up bothering us. We might feel momentary delight when we hear "You're so pretty" but hearing just one snide comment like "You're so ugly" can give people scars for life.

And humans feel a loss more strongly than a win. Were people to lose 10 bucks or win 10 bucks on a flip of a coin for example, most people would choose not to risk it because a loss affects us more. Another point is that negative comments foster a more negative atmosphere. So while criticism should be expressed, negative comments included, it should be done with more consideration and with more care.

One should question oneself if those kind of comments add enough value to the discussion, if those comments would better or worsen the situation, if making those comments is worth the effect it's going to make on the other person, before making those criticism. Sometimes, expressing negative thoughts is necessary, even productive, and it has to be said despite the hurt it can give. Other times, not so much. Anyway, all this to say, people in general should definitely give more thoughts to saying negative things than when they say positive things. "You're ugly" and "You're pretty" might appear to be equally balanced, but their effect are definitely not equal on the receiver. Anyone who received negative comments know how it feels.

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Just wanna add some insight. Pretty sure those naver, nate, etc comments are from fans because for now the drama havent aired yet. The "public" havent watched her in their screen yet to judge anything. Let's just wait till next week.

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I think it's fine to judge her acting, but comments on her appearances are definitely low and a bit uncalled for, whether before or after the drama. Like Helen said, people should give more thought before saying things. Making negative comments on appearances not only create a negative effect on the person subject to those comments, but also foster an environment where it's deemed acceptable to criticize people based on their appearances. And that is NOT OK. I don't care how much freedom of speech there is, as individuals, we should free ourselves from a culture where people are judged negatively based on how they look. And Joy isn't even that "ugly," so what does it make of all those people who are even less pretty than her? It's so sad people think this is something ok to do.

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Can't agree more with what Helen said, definately not okay to judge people based on their appearance

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lmao. Helen's comment just reminded me... I've had hundreds of A... but even until now, I still remember the test where I had that C. Still hurts. Forever a blot. So uh huh, I can attest to the fact that the negative has more weight on one's mind. :')

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I'd recommend the comments section of This Week My Wife Will Have an Affair too. Lots of insightful and thoughtful discussions

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Looking at some of the comments, especially the ones that reply to you, I do not blame you at all.

Wow. Maybe I tend to just skim by such comments usually but I am appalled. This is not the DB I know and love.

Please don't judge this site by this one post. I suggest frequenting both the recaps and open threads. That is where most of the mature discussion occurs. Sometimes news posts do attract trolls, although this is some of the worst I have seen for someone who hasn't even been able to prove herself yet.

Knowing that we live in a world where people like Joan feel nothing bad about saying such things makes me sad. What did Joy ever do to you or anyone else to make you so nasty?

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I think there must be something about Joy which triggers people to dislike her (though for the life of me, I can't see it). When she debuted, so many people called her fat, the poor girl has been struggling with dieting ever since. When she landed her first major project with We Got Married, so many people called her ugly, weird-looking, fake, fat, etc. So this is not new. Every time she has a new project, those same comments seem to pop up again.

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imo she could be the worst actress of the past decade, it does still not give people license to act like that towards her. If her acting is awful, she can be criticized for not doing her job properly, as well as the people who decided to cast her since their job too, was not well-done. All that nastiness about her appearance is not relevant. this reminds of of how much hate UEE got when she was in that Hong Sisters' drama with Jang Geun Suk and PSH over her appearance, just because she was a villain as a character, people started to think it was the norm to criticize the actress for her appearance somehow.

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I have been reading this site for a decade and I agree with you completely.

Commenters here feed off each other. If someone praises a drama or actor to the moon others start to think on it and agree with the first commenter and before you turn around the actor or drama is considered the highest degree of A list, then you watch it and it might be good, yes, but that level of masterpiece it is considered here? rarely.

Similarly, someone decides they dislike an actor's smile or a drama's soundtrack, people start to notice it too and start to comment on it and before you know it the actor or the drama becomes a hated object on the site.

So yes, this site does have some of the most heated and biased comments but it is because of people feeding off of each other's feelings and opinions.

So, from a very experienced beanie to you, start to watch dramas, and skim through the comments reading only the most moderate and peaceful ones. Or skip them altogether ☺️

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Sadly I'd have to agree with you on the feeding off of comments, I've experienced it myself.

I've gone to watching the dramas first to get my own impression of it and then reading the recaps after and just nodding or shaking my head at the comments section. lol

But maybe that's just me and that others enjoy dramas more by watching and reading recaps and actively discussing them ^^

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Im the same here. I come to this site because of the insightful comments but unfortunately, we have to wade through a lot of shallow ones too. What i dont like, is when I see people start hating on the actors' appearances just cuz of their character. ive seen lots lots of comments like "i hate him, hes so ugly" that get no objection because the character was a villain, pple think its okay to call the person behind the character ugly.
another thing bout feeding off is with kim go eun. i love park bo young a lot, but her cuteness is much worse than in goblin, where poor kim go eun was trashed recap after recap.

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It's a common but absolutely not acceptable mistake to conflate the character with the real person, especially when directing hate towards the wrong target. Should Joy be bad at acting, which is likely considering SM history, it would make it easy on people to start criticizing her not only for her acting, but also everything else because bad acting becomes an excuse to hate on the person. It's a commonly seen behavior. Sigh.

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yes i felt the same- i find last few months- some of the comments were overly harsh- like people being too critical and too judgemental- be in on a person's looks, their characters or the drama.film itself- unfortunately they dont noderate themselves when they comment- so nowadays i do my own moderation. i skip them.
to those commenting on people's teeth mouth, face, size of body- just remember that's someone'c son/daughter. Dont say something unto others what you would feel equally hurt if it's said TO YOU

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yes, instead of asking others to moderate themselves, it's best to skip what you don't like.

As for comments on face size, I wouldn't mind it if someone said I had a big face if it was the truth. I've straightened and dyed my hair because my natural curls look like that hairdo that female lead from Full house 2 had. I didn't blame people when they said it looked bad or asked if it was fake, nor do i blame beanies for disliking the hairdo and calling it awful. I laughed with them and agreed it was awful because what they said was the truth. Instead of blaming others, I'm doing what i can and making and effort to straighten and dye my hair. If most people say my curls look like mop, it looks like a mop. I'm not going to get offended. Sure it hurts but that's why I decided to invest a little budget on hairstyling every month, and voila... all the looks directed at my hair disappeared. Not rocket science.

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OH MY GOSH!!! Are you me???? My life-story is almost exactly the same. I used to have horrible horrible curls, "mop-like" as you call it :( and people made fun of me. I cried a lot when I was young because of it. I was called "failed perm-girl" even though my curls were natural. It's a good look on a toddler, but nothing else. Only my best friends knew I cried. I was quite stubborn and put up a brave front in front of all the critics because my parents told me I should love myself and all that, and that I should cherish my curls because it was passed down by my family, etc. For the longest time, I refused to change but I finally saw the light, EXACTLY BECAUSE OF FULL HOUSE 2! This is why I am so surprised to see you mention the comments on this drama. When I saw Beanies, whom I consider to be good people and dare I say it, friends, and JB & GF (goddesses) tell me that Hwang Jung Eum's hair is horrible, it finally woke me up out of my stubborness and prompted me to change. After being silly and crying for a while, I woke up and realized that maybe it wasn't the others who were at fault, but that the problem was my hair. The words of the bullies at my school had no effect but I finally listened to reason when those words were repeated by people I liked and trusted. Of course, my best friends and family were always too nice and fed me the lie that my curls were "charming." My parents were against it, but I convinced them and have been straightening my hair ever since. I've done it so much, my hairstylist told me my natural curls are now almost gone and that I don't have to treat my hair as often! Thanks to Full House 2 and Beanies, I don't get any talk about my hair anymore (except from my mom who is still mourning my curls and guilt-tripping me... Ah, mothers!)

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You mentioning that it started to get worse a few months ago got me thinking... We know antisemitic and other racists acts of violence have increased also since a few months ago. If the elected leader of the "free world" act as if it's ok to say bold hurtful things, then I wonder if the coincidental timing is just people following the leader along. More and more feel increasingly justified that in order to satisfy their own desire to speak one's mind, it is all right to do regardless of the effect on and respect to others. Being selfish and inconsiderate might be becoming a trend.

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Link 2 Vlive please?

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http://www.vlive.tv/video/24686/

English Subs should be out in a few hours. Vlive updates subs later.

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Subs are released now. :)

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shoooooooooooooo cuteeeeeeeeeel LHW was blushing and laughing at whatever she said. no wonder lee jungjin said he was suspicious. ^____^

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Why do people think her smile is weird? Why do they already "know" she is a bad actress? Honestly I want these judging out of here. If you already made your opinion without even seeing the first episode or you hate Joy BC of how her teeth look I really wish you would live.

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ohhh...they change the story?
I love the japanese version.
Probably will read recap first before watching it but I hope this one will be good for lee hyun woo's sake tbh.

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Honestly not really liking the teasers...the editing looks so cheesy and the plot sounds so stereotypical. *Sigh* I'm an rv fan so I want Joy to do well but I'm not feeling her acting, even Lee Hyun Woo's. I really hope I'm proven wrong when the actual drama airs.

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Joy's smiles and eyes attracts me. They shines and sparkles. Looking at them makes me understand why they choose her for the role.

I definitely will start a happy summer with her and my dear Lee Hyun Woo ^^.

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wow! a clean-shaven Choi Min-soo!

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He looks 10 years younger.. ?

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This looks like cute, maybe this drama is better to be like special drama with 4 episodes, or 6 episodes. I didnt watch the original version, so I have no idea what the plot will be. But based on teasers, this look something cute and sweet drama.

Good luck team, and especially TVN.

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I've been an avid reader of DB for almost a decade now but oh god, I can't believe the amount of disgusting comments I see about her appearance, teeth and face. You really went there huh. Tsk.

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Joy fans need to chill. You're making your fandom appear oversensitive. It's not like the comments are hating on her, just stating that she looks awkward and has a gummy smile. There's something awkward about her face, it's not the first time people have made that observation. It's a fact that her face looks bigger than Lee hyunwoo's face and aesthetically, that's awkward to watch. It shouldn't be an issue. It's a drama, aesthetic matters. Overreacting to a few comments stating the truth is not helping matters or making people more receptive to her.

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Aesthetics might matter, but not as much as our dignity as human beings with some shred of decency. Our enjoyment of dramas should not be at the cost of our character. People using entertainment as an excuse to trash on celebrities' appearances, making posts pitting one actress against another in who wore it best, or Best and Worst list is part of the problem. It feels stuffing just to witness, I can't even imagine how it feels to be at the center of gossip. Gosh, I can't even with these comments.

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A bit off-topic but u've nailed it in the head. It's a huge and current problem all over the world where young girls struggle with self-esteem over their own image. We've got eating disorders obviously, but it's become such a huge issue because while in the past, it was also done, it wasn't as widespread as it is nowadays, where it is done TO EVERYONE, no matter your status. It's become such a problem because judging others based on appearances (whether it be beauty or fashion) is not only done on a daily basis, but has been made and popularized into a form of entertainment, giving such a demeaning act validity and ubiquity. It's insane how many girls are struggling, even the prettiest ones, with their own image. LThat in turn, leads to bullying because it boost their damaged self-esteem to put down others. I would know it, I work as a counselor at summer camp for the past 4 summers. It's appalling. Like you said, entertainment should not be a justification to demean people based on their appearances. The world would be a much better place if people could look past all that glittering stuff and judge a book by its content.

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T_______T

I'm 17 right now, and cannot wait to get out of school because of this. T_____T I can't say I'm bullied, so in that sense, I'm lucky. I've also got friends so I'm not completely lonely. But I'm so sick and tired of being judged because of my fashion. Some girls make comments on it almost daily thinking I don't hear them, or don't even care if I do. It's like they take the saying fashion make the person seriously, that somehow, your fashion choice defines you as a person. It's so hard on me. I don't have the money to compete with all of them, and even if I did, I wouldn't focus on fashion. Their attitude left a bad taste and took away any interest I could have had in it.
I'm sorry, but that does not make me less as a person. Fashion can be a large part of who you are for some, fine by them. It doesn't need to be the same for everyone, why do those girls put so much importance on what I wear?? To them, what I choose to wear tells them all they need to know about me... I hate being judged like that. Anyway, fashion trends change all the time doesn't it? What was fashionable a few years ago is now unfashionable and whatnot. What's fashionable now will probably be talked about as outdated soon enough. I don't care to be judged based on such a fickle criteria. Might as well be unique and who I am. A few more months before I get out of this place. Thank god I'm going to a uni far far from here.

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Himnae! Nbd likes being commented on about what their wearing. I haven't heard of anyone ever say that they like being told what to wear by strangers, or getting criticism on what they're wearing. So it comes as a mystery to me how so many people make it a hobby of theirs to do that unpleasant thing to others. I don't even like to hear my mom tell me what to wear, let alone strangers. I definitely don't feel any desire make irrelevant comments on what others are wearing so I can't relate at all. I'm in the minority because apparently, fashion and gossip magazines and blogs are popular. Imo, it's their audience that create those girls who think it's okay to judge you and comment on your fashion. Don't mind them. You'll meet plenty of other people in life who have better priorities than focus on people's fashion and judge them for it. I'm now double your age (dear lordie) and I can barely remember anyone significant from when I was seventeen.

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I can't stand people who mock or put down others for their fashion. What happened to individuality? Just because it doesn't suit your standard doesn't mean you can mock their choices... it's not life choices, just something as temporal and subjective as fashion. We can love someone's outfit w/o mocking or putting down another's.

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Bravo, this exactly. Admittedly, I've liked Joy ever since her WGM days because of her fun personality and straightforward character, a shrinking demure violet she ain't. Now while she isn't as doll-like and dainty as Irene or Yeri, the comments bashing her for lookin weird (gummy smile, big teeth), being fat, or having a big head just makes me sad. We Joy fans aren't claiming she's the prettiest, cutest or even gushing about her "perfection" -- we're just wishing her well and hoping for a good performance from her for her first drama. But dang, if you hate her because of your oppa, your ship or your bias, negative comments about her looks are just so shallow and immature.

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I don't even think those people who make the comments "hate" her. I think those people thoughtlessly made those comments based on their opinions of her appearances without thinking of how it makes them seem as a person.

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if female or male actress is ugly
i will not watch
sorry i am shallow

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You can't excuse the destructive comments just because their someone else's opinion though.

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That was my first thought when I heard the casting news. Joy is known for her big head so when it's next to lee hyun woo's tiny face, it becomes even more plain to see. It's seriously look unbalanced, as you can see plainly in the trailers or here:

http://m.entertain.naver.com/entertain?id=1047153&imgId=49105811&host=http://m.entertain.naver.com&listUrl=http://m.naver.com#main/49105811

Casting her is a weird choice, and we can't even explain it with the usual "they look good together" or at least she's a beauty like with Kim tae hee, so that's why we're all questioning the legitimacy of it all.

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Are we looking at the same picture? How is her head even big there? Their heads look the same size lol. I have never heard Joy being known for her "big head", and that's because her head is not even big. She's fairly tall and her head is compatible and proportionate to her body.

Even here side-by-side, she looks fine: http://www.vlive.tv/video/24686/

I had no idea Red Velvet had so many weird anti-fans/trolls... Honestly who goes out of their way to comment about things like this?

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she look like that plump guy from super junior

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I've just seen an article that seems relevant to this discussion so I came back here.

this is the response to people talking about two best friends with different clothes size taking pictures together.

“The fact that a simple picture of two people together went so viral purely because of their body types shocked me,” Gibbs wrote beneath a reposting of that original picture. “All I see here is two women.. not one ‘skinny’ woman and one ‘curvy’ woman, stop comparing everyone to each other and accept every person as beautiful in their own right.”

More on what happened here:
https://www.yahoo.com/style/innocent-photo-of-one-skinny-woman-and-one-curvy-woman-stirs-controversy-181623226.html

So to all those who are talking about "unbalance," I wish we could all change our mindset and see this drama just as a girl and a boy falling in love instead of seeing their head size.

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I think she's really pretty, but I got what people are saying about her smile. I couldn't put my figure on it till I watched the interview. Her natural smile is very pretty, but it's like she smiles through other emotions as well - discomfort, confusion, thinking, etc - and then her smile looks off and weird. To me it's not a physical looks thing, it's an expression thing that she does.

Actually, that just makes me feel bad for her. Debuting at a young age, she probably forced herself to smile no matter what, and it became a habit. And as long as she gets comfortable in the role, I doubt it will show up much in her acting.

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Okay, after reading analysis of Joy's smile, I wonder how you guys feel about the storyline
I have My lovely girl (Krystal and Rain's drama) flashbacks... I want Lee Hyun Woo's drama to finally success and I desperately need some optimism boost

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And then all of you, who are critizising her looks, are acting outraged, when k-netizen are body shaming some other actress. Hypocrites ...

For me, as I read the manag, she is perfectly casted. I only don't know yet about her acting. But Lee Hyun-woo, I think he chose the wrong role. No matter how pricky he acts so far in the trailers, he doesn't seem as old as the male manga lead and its just not convincing to me. I hope he will overcome it, with his acting skills, can't change that he looks really young after all.

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I've read the manga too and I disagree. In the manga, she's petite, almost elfish, but Joi is almost a giant in comparison, and her features are big, especially her nose is huge, and so is her mouth. Doesn't suit.

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Her fans make me laugh. They're delusional. Her features are obviously awkwardly-big, we're not imagining it. Their defensiveness remind me of Park Shin Hye's fans.

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So you are one of those people...

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Wow. Just wow. You guys are really great body shaming. For me she is perfect not because some giant or none giant, elfish or non elfish features but because I thought, her smile has the same warmth as the manga character and her outgoing suited the character as well. I dont know what is defensive about liking it so far. Her whole acting can only be judged after a few episodes anyway.

But on the other hand you guys seem rather defensive about your hating on a girl because of her features :(

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i dont know how calling out commenters for criticizing a girl's appearance makes them over-defensive. tsk tsk.

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What in the world...why do you have so much hate towards this girl? You've barely seen her act. I seriously hope she proves all of you wrong.

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i'm not a joy fan but my god, who cares what she looks like? is she a model? no! she's an actress, you're supposed to judge her by her skills. ofc she's not going to look like the manga character, manga characters are completely unrealistic (i don't see lee hyunwoo having long ass legs like most manga men have). this isn't about kpop or about joy's fans, it's about people in this comment section being completely gross about a young woman's looks that have nothing to do with the drama. it's because of people like you and others that pretty actresses who can't act still get work.

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She's really pretty, but I'm worried about her acting, I hope she's good, I really want LHW to get a hit drama for once, the boy is a good actor yet he always stars in so many flops, it's just sad.

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Uhhh.... i have been a beanie since 2007.

This is the first time ive felt extremely uncomfortable going through the comment section. Maybe i have weird taste but i think the lead girl (joy right?) is pleasing to the eye and has such a warm smile that makes me want to smile along with her.

i honestly thought beanies are pretty reasonable and matured people so lets not think they are not because of some comments. Plus, i dont think the slightly offensive commenter has been around for a while. i think they are just young

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Me too, have been lurking in dramabeans for quite a while and I can testify that the majority of beanies are level-headed, nice-mannered, and deep thinkers. I believe this borderline trolling are getting worse in around last year; maybe that's why the rhyme in the intro of comment form appeared. Silver lining, I guess DB is now mainstream enough to attract more trolls..?

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U know what? I would feel better if this was just trolling, but reading a lot of the comments here, it seems to me as if some genuinely believe that not only are they in their right to make disparaging comments regarding an actress' appearance (which I reluctant admit is within their right, although I wished that right could be exercised with more care), but that it is right of them to make those comments. It's one thing to do wrong, it's another to not see where it's wrong even when it's pointed out. If it was just trolling, I would ignore it, but it seems like it is a mentality that some have adopted, a sense of entitlement that it is their right to criticize someone's appearance and more if we're talking about celebrities.

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I've been a beanie since 2010, these comments make me feel really uncomfortable...And I feel even worse as someone who is a fan of Red Velvet (Joy's idol group). She's cute and extremely hardworking and she's seems passionate about the role (she sacrificed a lot for this role and barely took part in her group's promotions in February). And she's grateful for the opportunity as she mentioned at the press-con. Why not give her a chance to prove herself?

I don't come on this site as often anymore, I hope this type of trolling isn't prevalent throughout the whole site :/

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I guess not really trolling but just hate.

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You're a Joy fan? So you know that she is one of the 2 attention whores in Red Velvet right? How many times has she took the spotlight/mic from Seulgi? She is a mess

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Oh they changed the story in a more deeper plots and I hope the writer will do justice to the change :)

As for lead character -- LHW pls make this one memorable drama... i was so devastated with what they did with you in Moorim School.

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My favorite thing about the long teaser was the Park Seo Joon Tommy Hilfiger skateboarding commercial...anyone else???!

But really, everything about it seemed great to me, except Lee Hyun Woo's unfortunate hairstyle.

I'm in!

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I do not think everyone who comments about her looks mean it in a bad way.. It might be just something people noticed (I didn't)..As for not watching the drama based on her looks, that's perfectly fine- people have different tastes in dramaland- a visually breathtaking couple is always nice to watch.. Fun fact was that I used to refrain from watching some saeguks and ancient chinese dramas because I could not distinguish who was who and did not find them really appealing visually..
KGE gets her fair share of appearance haters and maybe so will Joy (she does not seem atrocious acting-wise)...and I agree? I am certainly not the most beautiful person but I like to see beautiful people on screen.. As much as we tend to fawn over the good looks of the actors, why should this not be the case for actresses (i.e. to the same extent)? but I think fan's over-defensive comments make the whole thing worse...it feels like people who made comments which were on the low end of the harmful spectrum, need to justify themselves.Do people need to justify extensively why they do not find someone visually appealing.. Is the discussion going to be limited to those?
I found that Joy looks different in a drama than in kpop world (variety, stage,..) but what I was most looking forward to was watching this youth drama in spring!!
The liar and his lover- let's fall in love, enjoy the upcoming episodes!

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There is a large difference between finding someone attractive and praising them for it, and then openly demeaning someone's appearance because you don't like how they look. Let's forget how unpleasant the atmosphere of the place is for a second, or how it makes the other person feel. Having this kind of attitude makes it unpleasant for yourself.
If people could open themselves to accept and get used to all sorts of appearances, rough, burnt, deformed, and find beauty in all, they will have a much more pleasant time. Your favorite flowers could be roses, but if we learn to find beauty in marguerites, and even in grass or algae, we'll have a much more pleasant and happy time walking around. We don't have to find them the prettiest, but learning not to find them unpleasant makes our lives better, and us a happier person.
My sister works with special-education children, and people who work there get used to how they are, and see them as people more than by how they look. When their class goes out, we can see some bystanders make disgusted faces... what they don't realize, is that their reaction limits their ability to explore people more deeply and see beauty in people. What they don't realize, is that my sister and her co-workers are having a happy time laughing with those wonderful children, when they, are having an unpleasant moment all by themselves, just by virtue of looking at people, just because they don't choose to see past superficial appearances.

Your soulmate waiting for you could be of a physique that is not your "rose," but if you've never even found time to see that a tulip has its own charm, or learned that Jasmine could smell wonderful, if you've only limited yourself to looking at roses, you'll miss out on your tulip or Jasmine soulmate.

Back to dramas, there are many side characters who aren't "roses" to us. They're not our favorite kind of appearances. But we still learn to like them, and watch them on screen and be entertained by them (like Sung Dong-il, Secretary in Goblin, Ma Dong Seok, etc.) so why not extend that to main characters too?

I might find Lee Min Jung the prettiest (she's my rose). But instead of finding Kim Go Eun unpretty, if only I start noticing how pretty and charming she is as a lavender, I'll have a much more pleasant time watching Goblin. And watching Lee Min Jung too, because if I Kim Go eun, who is not of my natural taste, pretty, then how much more of a pleasant time will I have looking at Lee Min Jung? :D

By just shifting your acceptance range a little bit, we'll find the drama watching experience much enhanced, and in life, we'll open ourselves to finding a lot more beautiful people, and begin seeing them beyond their surface. We're surrounded by people all our lives, perhaps we should all learn and actively work to see beauty in them, rather than be idle and let our taste remain static. Trust me, it's worth making an effort on our part to change. It'll...

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It'll make our landscape beautiful. Instead of just changing the flowers in our garden, just by changing our outlook, our garden will look beautiful and perfect in its imperfection. Almost like magic. :)

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sadly, i dont think a lot of pple will bother to modify their taste. most pple dont bother to make an effort tho personally, if i think we should get an acquired taste for anything in life, it should be an acquired taste for pple first.
ur special-ed case got me thinking of smth different but kind of the same. im in my mid-teens, and i always get sad when i see my friends make faces at the elderly and looking down and laughing at old pple just cuz they're old and perhaps a bit slow. like, dont they realize one day, they'll be old and slow too? in my head, i think they're just setting themselves up to the time when theyll hate themselves for being old. like if they didnt laugh at the elderly so much, its possible many pple wouldnt have to fear and resent growing old and find it such a terrible thing and have to go through so much pain like botox to stop the process. n bout the pple who look down on the handicapped... god forbid, what if they have an accident and it happens to them. had they been more accepting of those handicapped, they might have an easier time learning to live with their situation dont u think?
i really what u said bout algae and grass and rose. if i could add my own example.... there's this really old tree that i like in the park. its not even a tree, its like a knobbly really broken tree/trunk. its huge and i love how polished it is in some parts. anw, i digress. just to say, it doesnt even have to be a flower to be beautiful. even if its an old knobbly tree with no leaves, i still find it beautiful. <3

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Well said. It's like a teacher can praise a student for doing well in class without the need to think that another is "stupid" for not doing as well, and even going as far as telling them they're not intelligent enough.

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Thumbs up! But i was thinking dramas more not real people...
I was just thinking that aesthetics do help you enjoy something more.. I am not repulsed by someone's appearance (reel or real) to the point of not watching what they do or not (and believe or not some of my favourite dramas are ancient chinese dramas)- the drama/ the character/ the story hooks me and that is more than enjoyable..
But sometimes something that just looks beautiful just appeals to you and it helps appeal the product to people (visual chemistry with at least a decent story line)...
I think people can voice out their discontent about her not fitting visually but all that remains is her acting chops and the ultimate chemistry that the couple portrays..
Trouble with adaptations is that the fans become more invested because the desire for a good portrayal hits closer to home- in most cases, fans have been fond of the original contents, have had a whole relationship with that.. and to think of it being butchered..
And I agree that many comments have been overboard, but I also feel many commenters have been shaming the ones making negative comments too much- which also played a part in that.. Not all negative comments need a bad outcome.. I believe that some people making comments are not hard-core hating non-perfect appearances in public, but this is drama and actors land- where a big part of their job is to please the audience?
Dunno who knows but was the Nicky guy in BBJX found to be too old for the drama at first and well the rest is pretty much history..

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I'm a longtime reader but this is the first time I have commented here. The discussion on this thread has made me seriously reconsider visiting this website and reading the comments, what's going on here is so ugly. I'm not a red velvet fan or anything but I think Joy is obviously much prettier than the vast majority of women, not that it should be the main concern for an actress/singer whose main role should be to act and sing well in this drama. Many of the male actors that people obsess over on this website are much funnier looking but are constantly praised for both their appearance and acting. IMO the lead actor here is nowhere near as attractive as the lead actress, which is also fine.

What really disappoints me is that the drama fans here, largely women I think, are so willing to be nasty about an actress or female character, not thinking about how that can affect the largely female readership of this website. Joy isn't likely to read these comments, but girls who are potentially insecure in their looks may be reading this and getting the impression that men are always good looking and talented enough while women deserve whatever shade someone can think of to throw at them. Complaining that a teenaged girl with perfect teeth should have 'seen a dentist' for her smile because her gums show, when so many girls can't afford the basic dental or orthodontic care to take care of obvious and sometimes painful tooth problems, again is just a new level of pettiness. Acting this low about other women is not a good look on anyone, but worse, it makes the atmosphere negative for everyone.

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Honestly... Joy may not read *these* comments specifically, but people who've followed her definitely know that she's read ugly comments about herself because they're all over Korean websites too. She's talked about being on a cucumber diet when she was 17 to lose weight! 17 years old! She's been fat shamed so much since her debut days. Plus she has also had her front teeth chiseled. We're talking about a 17/18 year old girl here who went through this shit for the sake of her appearance even though she was perfectly fine to begin with.

Maybe I'm more sensitive as that one commenter said as a Joy fan because I've seen her change over the course of 2 years. But I do agree with the general sentiment of your comment. These kind of opinionated comments can be so detrimental. They make me seriously uncomfortable as a bystander. I can't even imagine what it'd be like to be the center of such conversations.

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Joy and Yeri had it tough. I especially feel bad for Yeri. She debuted when she was barely 16 and ever since, had got comments asking her to go die because she joined the group later. That was 2 years ago... just a few days ago, she had an Instagram Live on Kim Saeron's IG (her bff soulmate and actress in Mirror of the witch, ahjusshi, etc.) and I saw in the live comments with "Yeri so ugly." It baffles me that people find it acceptable to type such vile mean words.

She developed a fear of the camera because she was afraid of people commenting on her face expressions. That's how "harmless" these commenters are.

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As I read more comments, I have a feeling these commenters are fans of Lee Hyun-woo and thus the disgusting comments, because they feel that Joy isn't good enough for him or this role.

Either way, as both a long-time Beanie and a fan of Red Velvet and Joy, it's just disturbing. She's already had a difficult time with her weight and even fixed her teeth for this role, even if she's perfectly fine...Whether or not you feel she was miscast, why not wait until the first episode actually airs to judge her based on her acting? However, it almost seems like that's not really their concern in the first place.

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no,
i have seen prettier girls !! so many of them on my campus
she is not pretty
sorry

and her singing is bad judging from the teasers and acting looks awkward

i think this drama will be a flop

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Finally DB cleaned up the comment section. Thank you DB!

LMAO I swear an anti-fan must have seen that Dramabeans was posting about Joy so she just decided to call up and hold an anti-Joy fanclub party/fest over here. Save Dramabeans from all that drama. I always regarded DB as a safe space for my K-drama life, let's keep it that way. This is not a place for immature, jealous people. People who come here should be capable of engaging in smart discussions & constructive criticism.

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I came here late.. I'm curious, how did DB clean up the site? How was it before? Good on them. Although it's always interesting to learn how people with different thoughts think because then, we can begin to find a way to communicate, and maybe even reach an understanding...

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wow. i this is after DB cleaned up, i wonder how bad it was before.... :o

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Not much was deleted. Only comments attacking each other.

People are free to make observations, and we're also free to call each other out when we think the other person is going overboard or being mean.

The key is to be open-minded about discussing things. Someone could in all honesty think they're just making an observation which someone else can read as rudeness. At which point, we can talk to the original commenter and explain why (we think) it's wrong, and it's up to the original commenter to understand or not.

We can't force everyone to subscribe to a single opinion. Though we can ask them to be more thoughtful about expressing theirs. Being rude to someone we disagree with may be cathartic but it doesn't help to convince them of the opposite view at all.

(This is of course just my opinion too.)

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As humans, we all value the beautiful. It's easy. The danger is when you believe the converse statement, that only beauty is valuable. I felt fat when I was young, now I'd love that strong smooth body and I feel silly for not enjoying it when I had it. I've thought about dropping Hallyu stuff entirely because I just don't like to support the level of shallowness that makes perfectly fit, talented and beautiful people like Joy feel like they are not good enough. I know Amber from f(x) has been struggling too, and she's so awesome. I always cut idols a lot of slack, because they have the toughest, most thankless job around - trying to please everybody while having zero privacy. Hopefully, someday the trolls will learn that putting people down doesn't push you up, it drags you down and hurts you too.

Oh, and BTW, being old isn't that bad! You're wiser, you've had your friends forever, plus you care less and less about being judged by some idiot that doesn't know you.

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"As humans, we all value the beautiful. It’s easy. The danger is when you believe the converse statement, that only beauty is valuable."

So wise.... it's easy to like the beautiful. It's so easy people then assume it is acceptable to dislike the not-so-beautiful for not being "beautiful" enough. It's a sad thinking for sure.

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I dont know why people are up in arms about such a trivial thing and making a mountain out of a molehill. I see some people even bringing in her age, as if that's relevant in any way. She's an adult. You know who I dislike more than "haters?" The PC police. Do we need to be careful about everything we say nowadays so that we don't offend sensitive people. Can't even say an observation without people guilt-tripping us for it. Shakes head.

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lol pple get offended @ anything these days. this is why I don't like idols going into acting. the fans make it 10x worse. their fans are just immature and unable to take any mild criticism. they get offended by anything.. it's really hard to talk to sensitive fans sensibly, they don't even want to hear you out and label you a "hater." It goes with the job to get criticized about your appearances. Grow up and deal with it.

let's be real, the only reason this drama has started is because of her brainwashed fans. if she wasn't popular, people wouldn't even bat an eye. they're all hypocrites, asking not to judge appearances. kim go eun got plenty of flak for not looking good enough, where were they? they only get offended because it's joy. smh.

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"this is why I don’t like idols going into acting. the fans make it 10x worse."

"they only get offended because it’s joy. smh."

Agree. If this is less popular idol or actress they won't even bat an eye.

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I'm sorry, but I haven't seen her fans do anything out of line?

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I am side-eyeing you at the Kim Go Eun comment because I have been defending her here even before Cheese in the Trap starts airing because I know the girl has talents.

Now, I am not even a Joy fan. But here you are, generalizing again.

Tbh, say whatever you want to say about the person just don't start degrading them asking them to go to dentist. It is fine to say her smile look awkward and others find it pretty or whatever. It is subjective, but asking people to go fix things are pretty offensive for me.

And people said South Korea is the city of plastic surgeons.

Why again? Mostly because of the keyboard warriors behind their computer and laptop

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I very much dislike it when the excuse "it's just an observation/opinion" to say mean hurtful things about someone's physical trait. We're not talking about a rock or a flower pot. It's an actual real person your making that observation about, who, unlike a flower pot, will have a reaction and feel some emotions in response to your observation. Please take that into consideration before throwing out observations so easily. The person on the other end of such observation might not find it as easy to receive it.

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it tells a lot about a person when they hate people who defend a person getting body shamed more than the people who are body shaming the person.

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Peeps who call those comments on others' physical appearance "observations" have either never received one of those "observations" or forgotten how it felt to be under one. Even a mild "observation" not only stings, but the hurt tends to linger long enough to make a dent our self-esteem and even become a complex. Just receiving one internet reply criticizing us can bother some for a long time. Imagine receiving many many many of those everyday. Let's not contribute to that.

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hahaha. Forget criticism about one's appearance. Or even a critical reply. I get bothered just getting a thumbs down on comments I make. hahahaha

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I love Joy so much and as a person who saw her in real life I genuinely find her one of the prettiest idols. Maybe her "beauty" doesn't translate at all for some people, whatever, but to me, I won't forget when I saw RV in person + one of my highlights seeing her at the 2015 Dream Con was when she smiled during the red carpet. That refreshing and pure charm is what I see in Sorim, her main character.

A piece of advice from Red Velvet Joy:
"Dont think of yourself as an ugly person. Think of yourself as a beautiful monkey."

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Wow, okay, so I choose to look at the bright side of this article and the comments -- 115 comments for a non-recap post is a huge thing in DB especially since if you actually think about this drama, it is not headlined by a Hallyu star and starring a very rookie idol actress.

I really commend the positive and mature beanies who took time to comment and fight against bashers. While everyone has his or her taste in beauty, I think its mean and shallow to bash an actress/idol solely because of appearance. Anyway, the nice comments here make me look forward to the drama, I hope to see some of you in the recaps section. And yes, I have officially delurked because of this drama.

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the girl has a bigger face than the guy and looks older

and the guy omg, he looks like a kid! please don't tell me they become couple in drama?

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I was concerned when the casting of Joy was announced, because it's not going to be easy for her to take on a lead role with minimal acting experience, and hold her own against Lee Hyun-woo and veteran actors like Choi Min-soo (!!). But being familiar with Kpop, I could see where the casting was coming from, because Joy has both a youthful vibe to her and a clear and sweet voice that seems to suit the role.

The setup of the story also seemed a bit bare, but now that I've watched the first OST and also discovered that the director is the one behind Marriage Contract and Pride and Prejudice, I'm proceeding with cautious optimism. Looking forward to the recaps!

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