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The Liar and His Lover: Episode 4

Music overshadows everything in Han-gyul’s life, and even when he can see how it affects the people around him, he can’t abandon the pursuit of the perfect song. For a man like him, it’s hard to focus on the woman behind the beautiful voice that inspires him. So when fate — and one determined bassist — intervenes, Han-gyul and So-rim might finally get a chance to know each other beyond the music they love.

 
EPISODE 4 RECAP

So-rim stands on the roof of Sole Music and thinks of Jin-hyuk’s offer to cast her without her friends. In another part of the building, Jin-hyuk asks Han-gyul to produce So-rim’s group, pointing out that he can’t work exclusively with Crude Play forever.

Not knowing that he’s talking about So-rim and her friends, Han-gyul refuses. When pressed for a reason, he asks what Jin-hyuk intends to do with them. Jin-hyuk is pretty open about wanting to exploit the young band, which makes Han-gyul scoff.

Then Jin-hyuk asks if another version would suit him better. He tells Han-gyul that the band is talented but unformed, and he needs someone trustworthy to mentor them at this crucial point in their career. At the arrested look on Han-gyul’s face, he smiles and says that they should just stick to this version of his intentions.

As Han-gyul walks away, disgusted, Jin-hyuk calls out that he’ll regret not listening to the girl’s voice.

Chan-young comes up to the roof just as So-rim begins to sing. She stares out at the city, while Chan-young stares at her. Chan-young thinks of what Jin-hyuk said as he looks at her: “Her voice is high and beautiful. Its purity is unforgettable. Anyone who makes music will fall in love with that voice.”

Then, So-rim stops with a sigh and turns to leave. Her eyes fall on Chan-young (who’s still staring at her), and she unthinkingly gasps out, “Seo Chan-young!”

He laughs at her reaction, then blocks her way as she tries to shyly walk past him. He asks if she’s a trainee at Sole Music, and she nods. Then she hurries away, giggling to herself. Chan-young watches her run off with a smile.

So-rim is ushered into Jin-hyuk’s office, where he asks for her decision. She politely asks that her friends be included in her debut. Jin-hyuk agrees but makes one last point:

“Think about when you’re thrown to the public. What will happen? I’m not talking about audience’s response. They will have to face themselves in front of the audience. What if it turns out to be more disappointing than they expected?”

He asks if she will be all right with them blaming her, but she insists that they have to try. Jin-hyuk smiles and gets the two boys in. He offers a contract to all three, then immediately sizes them up by marketability.

Jin-woo is tall and Gyu-sun is “chubby,” so he tells them to stand close together to make Jin-woo more attractive to female fans. Ugh. Their story, he tells them, is of three clumsy, normal teenagers finding sudden success. The only real thing they need, he adds pointedly, is So-rim’s voice.

So-rim shows the Sole Music brochure to Grandma and tells her that Jin-hyuk wants to meet her next week. She teases her about how amazing her granddaughter is, but then sobers when she notices her Grandma tearing up.

She tells So-rim that she always knew her granddaughter would find a way to sing all her life. She suggests that they visit So-rim’s parents’ memorial the next day, and So-rim nods.

Alone in her room, So-rim considers calling Han-gyul, then remembers him saying that he doesn’t like girls who sing. She collapses on her bed in frustration.

Chan-young visits Jin-hyuk in his office to ask about the new band. Jin-hyuk admits that he’d asked Han-gyul to produce them, but he turned him down. Chan-young asks if he can fill in for Han-gyul, just like he filled his bassist position in Crude Play years ago. “It’ll be Seo Chan-young’s debut as a producer,” he says with a grin. “I think it’ll be a hit.” Jin-hyuk’s smile falters.

In the Sole Music offices, the staff wonder how they can debut a new band so quickly. One girl wonders what she should research, and when the manager suggests looking up school bands, she gets on the internet. Almost the first thing that comes up is a video by “The Real Crude Play.”

The video focuses on the instruments, cutting out the heads, but the girl recognizes one of the guitars. She takes out her phone and checks out an old recording of a band playing on a school stage. She gasps as she realizes who the copycats are. Are those the actual Crude Play boys?!

So-rim and Grandma visit the memorial, and So-rim tells her mother about the new changes in her life. As Grandma walks away to give her privacy, So-rim wonders aloud what she should do to stay happy with her friends and the person she likes. In her absence, says So-rim, all she can do is trust that her mother is watching over her.

On the way back, she texts Han-gyul to ask if he’s very busy. Han-gyul’s been pulling all-nighters, so on a short break from recording, he decides to take a nap. Shi-hyun covers him with a blanket and notices the buzz of the text, taking note of So-rim’s name.

Back in school, all their classmates descend upon Gyu-sun and Jin-woo to find out how their audition went. They act like nothing is decided, but one girl overhears them talking about their casting. It’s the one who secretly likes Crude Play.

She pretends to drop her pencil box, and as Gyu-sun picks it up for her, she grabs his hand and smiles at him. He’s clearly taken aback but also flattered when she asks him to help carry her stuff home. Jin-woo notices the exchange and frowns.

Chan-young walks into an office to find Yoo-na waiting for her appointment with Jin-hyuk. When he mentions her love triangle, she ruefully admits that with the way the Crude Play boys reacted, she felt like she broke up with all of them, not just Han-gyul.

Chan-young promises that he just likes to watch these emotional dramas from afar. He also mentions that knowing what inspired Han-gyul’s latest track made this all the more interesting. When Yoo-na asks what he means, he casually drops the bomb: “You didn’t know? Han-gyul creates a masterpiece every time he gets dumped.”

After that bit of meddling, Chan-young visits the studio where So-rim is doing test recordings. As she sings with her usual happy abandon, both Jin-hyuk and Chan-young watch her with a smile. Jin-hyuk mentions that Han-gyul would never have given up the band if he’d heard So-rim’s voice.

His smile falling away, Chan-young says darkly that while that is true, Han-gyul was the one to say no this time. Jin-hyuk notes the tone with a wary look on his face.

Chan-young’s words ring in Yoo-na’s ears until she changes course and walks into Han-gyul’s studio. He wakes up to hear his song playing and sees Yoo-na standing at the console. He stops the music and points out that it’s unprofessional to listen to a colleague’s unfinished song. Hiding her tears, Yoo-na apologizes and leaves.

Chan-young and So-rim walk out of the studio together. Noticing her fixed gaze on his face, he teases her about it, and So-rim admits that until recently, the closest she ever thought she’d get to him was at a sold out concert she couldn’t attend. Smiling, he ducks close to her, and So-rim laughs in fangirl glee.

Yoo-na stops Han-gyul as he leaves the studio and apologizes for ending things badly. Han-gyul pretends indifference and tells her that she didn’t mean enough for him to need a pleasant closure or fond memories.

As he walks to the building exit, she stops him again and asks about the song. “Didn’t you write it thinking of me?” she asks. He looks at her steadily and asks if that would make her come back to him. At her silence, he turns and walks out of door.

So-rim is standing outside, and as Han-gyul walks out, she hears Yoo-na call after him. Yoo-na notices her and turns quickly to hide her face. So-rim only glimpses a woman’s back before Han-gyul takes her away from the building.

As the two leave, hand-in-hand, Shi-hyun arrives in a car and observes the pair. He connects the dots and realizes that this girl must be So-rim from the phone texts.

They walk some distance before Han-gyul stops and looks at her. He asks if she’s free to hang out, and she agrees. They walk around together, trying on silly hats, listening to street musicians, and trying their luck at the claw machine with Crude Play merchandise. So-rim walks close enough to bump hands, clearly wanting him to hold hers, but it just makes him laugh. They flirt adorably, but whenever So-rim looks away, Han-gyul’s smile begins to die.

Inside a shoe store, Han-gyul notices one of Yoo-na’s ads and abruptly leaves the shop. So-rim comes out and studies his face as he asks if she wants to eat next, and she asks if he’s even hungry. As he stares at her, she asks if he genuinely wanted to spend the day with her.

With Han-gyul silenced, she says she doesn’t know what to do in this situation and begins to walk away. He stops her and asks what situation she means. “One where someone I like keeps lying to me,” she answers. He suggests that she should get angry, and So-rim guesses that that’s what people usually do.

She declares that she won’t be like everyone else he knows and smiles. Then, his stomach growls, and Han-gyul points out that he at least wasn’t lying about being hungry.

They get lunch at an inexpensive restaurant, and So-rim gifts him one of the miniature microphones she won at the arcade game. She gets some sauce on her lips, and just as she’s about to tell him about her audition at Sole Music, he leans forward to wipe it off. She changes the subject, then asks if he was visiting Sole Music to get a glimpse of celebrities like Yoo-na.

He flicks her forehead and reminds her that he doesn’t like girls who sing, and that sufficiently douses her desire to tell him about her debut right away.

Later, they eat ice cream and walk by a stream. She asks if he feels better, guessing that he spent the day with her because he felt down. He asks how she knew that, and she laughs that she doesn’t know how. Han-gyul tells her to forget about the entire day, but she tells him that it’ll stick in her memory forever.

Han-gyul remarks that she’ll forget all about him once she meets a good guy. She lets him walk a few steps ahead and then slowly asks if he can just stay where he is. She says that she will do her best to get to where he is. He warns her that he’s not a good guy, and So-rim admits that she’s already noticed that about him.

But, she tells him, the more she gets to know him, the more she likes him. Han-gyul wonders how she can be so honest. So-rim answers that she knows the happiness of being able to say what’s in her heart.

Gyu-sun walks his classmate home. She’s clearly angling to be his friend now that he’s signing a contract with a major label, but Gyu-sun is just bemused at her friendliness. As they walk past Grandma’s shop, she notices Han-gyul walking So-rim home and asks if he’s So-rim’s boyfriend. Gyu-sun says that it’s just someone they know and hurries her onward.

Han-gyul gets home and is testing out his tiny pink microphone when Shi-hyun texts and asks about his date with So-rim. He calls Shi-hyun to ask how he knew about the girl, but Shi-hyun is too busy teasing him about dating a school girl to answer.

Han-gyul hangs up on him and immediately gets another text. This one is from Jin-hyuk, asking him to listen to an attached recording of the new band. He ignores it and opens a new project file on his laptop. He thinks of So-rim asking him to wait for her and names the new song, “‘Waiting for You’ by Yoon So-rim.” (He’s writing a song for her!)

At home, singing in her own microphone, So-rim thinks of the woman who had called out to Han-gyul. Her lean, tall body sticks out in her memory and she gets up to examine her own. Aloud, she wonders who she was.

The three friends go in for their recording at Sole Music and are met by Chan-young at the lobby. The boys are surprised at the familiar way he addresses So-rim and by the way he leads her into the studio by her hand. Inside the recording room, the friends argue about whether Chan-young is handsome, unaware that he and Jin-hyuk can hear them on the other side of the glass.

Grinning, Chan-young tells Jin-hyuk that he’s writing a song for So-rim. Jin-hyuk smiles and says he’s looking forward to it. As the trio start their recording, Chan-young gets involved in showing them the ropes of recording in a studio.

Jin-woo and Gyu-sun walk back home while So-rim stays back to practice more. Both friends agree that So-rim is amazing in the confident way she sings in the studio. Then Gyu-sun brings up their contract, wondering if they’re taking advantage of So-rim by tagging along with her. Jin-woo argues that Jin-hyuk must have seen some potential in them too, and Gyu-sun lets himself be convinced.

While dropping So-rim back home, Chan-young asks her if Jin-woo is her boyfriend. She tells him that he’s just a friend and that her style is different. He asks if there is someone specific she likes, and she admits that there is someone. At his grilling, she tells him that he’s a musician.

Hearing her hesitation, he remarks that he knows people who claim to be musicians but are just dreamers in reality. So-rim defends Han-gyul by telling Chan-young that she’s heard his music and he’s very good. In the ensuing silence, she unthinkingly begins to hum Han-gyul’s song.

Surprised, Chan-young veers suddenly towards the pavement and parks the car. He asks how she knew that song, saying that he would like to meet the talented creator. So-rim tells him Han-gyul’s name, and failing to observe his stunned look, bids him goodnight. Alone in the car, Chan-young lets out a disbelieving laugh.

CEO Yoo is having a dinner party. As she sits down at the table with her first guest, HAN YOO-SEOK, he asks her not to get too angry that evening. As if on cue, there’s a knock on the door, and In-woo is shown inside. He’s welcomed in warmly by Yoo-seok, but CEO Yoo looks completely taken aback.

Han-gyul takes a break from work to rummage through a trunk of old cassettes. He picks out one with the label, “Waiting for Han-gyul to be born.” He listens to a few strains of his father’s voice, then childhood memories of watching his father’s song be credited to Yoo-seok invade his mind. He shuts off the music.

Yoo-seok seems to have left CEO Yoo and In-woo alone for a moment. They sit facing each other, and CEO Yoo makes it clear that she doesn’t trust him. In-woo simply says that there’s nothing he can do if she’s made up her mind. Frustrated by his cheerful facade, she snaps that Yoo-seok stole his song, so does he intend to play at his concert now? Or maybe, she adds, he wants to ruin it?

In-woo says that he simply wants to enjoy music with old friends. CEO Yoo scoffs that he still says such things today, and then she asks if he’s really here for money. At this In-woo grows a little serious. He says that he dislikes how she dismisses anything she doesn’t trust. He holds her stare, a wealth of history between them, but then she looks away.

Jin-hyuk arrives as Yoo-seok reenters, and CEO Yoo introduces In-woo as Yoo-seok’s old bandmate. But Jin-hyuk recognizes In-woo as Han-gyul’s dad, and they exchange greetings.

Chan-young visits Han-gyul at the bar where Crude Play originally debuted. It used to be run by In-woo but is owned by Shi-hyun now. Chan-young clearly knows the history of the place and tells Han-gyul that he enjoyed In-woo’s music. Han-gyul dismisses the handful of songs his father wrote, but Chan-young also mentions the songs that were stolen from him.

At Han-gyul’s surprise, Chan-young tells him that he knows a lot of people in the industry. He explains that he didn’t get into music to get into a band, and he feels uncomfortable about being Han-gyul’s stand-in in Crude Play, even today. He points out that Crude Play exists to bring Han-gyul’s music to the world and tells Han-gyul that he wants to mentor the new band so he can have such a vessel for his own songs.

Han-gyul, looking half-guilty, wishes him the best of luck. He assures him that he has no desire to train rookies. But then as Chan-young gets up to leave, hiding a triumphant smile, Han-gyul observes that the rookie band must be very good for him to make all this effort. Chan-young just tells him that he’s not going to let Han-gyul hear them, then leaves, smiling.

Han-gyul walks home listening to So-rim’s rendition of his song. The next day, after school ends, So-rim gets a call from Han-gyul. As she clears her throat before answering, Han-gyul walks up to her and asks if she’s planning on ever taking the call.

He gifts her a box of ice cream, then tells her that it’s a bribe for a favor. He wants her to sing a song he’s writing for her. But So-rim recalls him saying that he doesn’t like girls who sing, and with an almost hurt look, tells him no. She starts walking away, but Han-gyul stops her and asks why.

He argues that she first become interested in him because of his music, so she should be thrilled at his request. Seeing his bewilderment, So-rim asks for time to think before leaving.

Jin-hyuk discusses songs for the new band, and the manager speaks enthusiastically about the one Chan-young had written and sent him. But since Jin-hyuk hasn’t heard it, he decides to put in Han-gyul’s songs instead. When Chan-young comes by the office, he gets a look at the list and realizes that most of the songs are by Han-gyul and that his own is absent.

He calls up Han-gyul and asks if he’d properly refused Jin-hyuk’s offer of producing the new band. Han-gyul repeatedly tells him that he was clear while declining the position, but Chan-young shouts at him to stop being evasive, because Jin-hyuk still thinks that Han-gyul will change his mind.

Chan-young brings So-rim, Jin-woo, and Gyu-sun to the studio and lets them hear his song. They are clearly impressed by it. Then Chan-young tells them that he wants to produce them and asks for their trust. When So-rim asks why he chose them, he says that they give him hope that he can have a path away from Crude Play.

Han-gyul thinks over Chan-young’s words and decides to help him. He goes to the studio and tells Jin-hyuk that he’s listened to the recording he sent him, but he still doesn’t want to do it. Jin-hyuk gets angry as he tells Han-gyul that this could be a chance for him to grow in a way he couldn’t with Crude Play. Jin-hyuk finally seems earnest about something, but he’s cried wolf one too many times. Han-gyul thinks he’s manipulating him again and leaves.

Shi-hyun, In-ho, and Yoon meet up in their practice room and look over the views on their videos. Shi-hyun wonders if the lack of vocals is keeping the videos from going viral. They set up the camera to keep their faces out of view and start recording another Crude Play song.

When Chan-young visits Jin-hyuk’s office again, he’s finally told that he’ll get to produce So-rim’s band. Delighted, Chan-young calls up So-rim. Learning that she’s on the rooftop, he heads up to tell her in person.

Meanwhile, Han-gyul walks through the Sole Music office and is spotted by Jin-woo. Just then, the manager calls Han-gyul “K” and starts talking about his song for Crude Play. Despite trying to hide his face, Jin-woo rounds on him and shouts, “You’re K?”

As Chan-young finds and tells So-rim the good news on the roof, the manager scolds Jin-woo for being rude to a star like Han-gyul when he’s just debuting. Han-gyul’s eyes widen as he realizes that Jin-woo is contracted with Sole Music — then, even as the dots connect, Gyu-sun arrives and he asks weakly, “So-rim too?”

So-rim is delighted that Chan-young will produce them and says, “I never dreamed that Chan-young from Crude Play would produce my album! I just dreamed of singing K’s songs.” Chan-young’s smile falters just a little at that, but then she makes him laugh by executing a deep bow of thanks.

Han-gyul finds out that So-rim’s on the roof and races up the stairs. Chan-young asks So-rim to put music before everything else for the next three years, even before the people she likes.

When she grows quiet at that, he promises to put her before everything else in his life as well. He tells her that when she’s a singer, she’ll find that people around her and people who listen to her songs can be very cruel. He vows to be by her side through it all, even offering to quit Crude Play if she wants.

So-rim is discomfited at his seriousness, but he tells her that he’s going to give this gig everything he has for the next three years. Promising to not let her get away, he smiles at her, and she smiles back.

Han-gyul reaches a terrace below the main roof and looks up to see So-rim standing with Chan-young. He moves to head up, but stills when Chan-young extends his hand to So-rim. Smiling shyly, she shakes it with both hands. Han-gyul just stares up at the two from below.

 
COMMENTS

That is a lot of crossed wires for Han-gyul to untangle, but I’m glad it happened. While we all want So-rim to sing Han-gyul’s music someday, they need to base their relationship on something more tangible than his love for her voice. There’s also Chan-young’s palpable enthusiasm for producing this band. I’m curious about his past now, since he made it clear that playing in a band was never his dream. He seems to want the life Han-gyul has — that of a songwriter and producer. But clearly, Jin-hyuk has never given him a chance before this.

I can understand his frustration at being overshadowed by an established talent and forced to remain in a box. It’s the same frustration that’s driving the Crude Play boys to play their own songs and put it up on the net. That came as a real surprise to me and made my heart ache. Here was a group of young boys who wanted to play music for the love of it, but the pursuit of perfection has stripped them of their agency. At some point, they became puppets in their own show and this was their way of trying to regain some dignity and worth.

I don’t know whose situation is more tragic — the band’s for how they are treated by their own label, or Han-gyul’s for knowing what he’s doing, yet being unable to stop himself. That he listened to Chan-young and visited Jin-hyuk to make his refusal clear spoke volumes about how much he wishes things could be different. When he advised Jin-hyuk to keep the new band together, he said that it would be hard. I wonder how much he had to give up emotionally to keep Crude Play together. He’s single-handedly ensured the success of his friends, who might individually never have attained the same heights. But I wonder if he realizes how badly his friendships have been tattered over time.

Jin-hyuk clearly does. His questions to So-rim showed keen awareness of what happens when people with average abilities succeed on the tailcoats of more talented friends. He’s likely witnessed the resentment, frustration, and disillusionment many times over. And this is what makes Jin-hyuk fascinating to me. In one moment he’s a ruthless manipulator, and yet in another, a bit of earnestness seeps out of him. His treatment of Jin-woo and Gyu-sun made my blood boil, but I also suspected that he was trying to prepare the three for how the industry would perceive and use them in the future. By So-rim’s expression, I think she did realize what he was saying.

I’m thoroughly invested in this story of young musicians struggling to retain friendships and choices in the face of fame and expectations. I love So-rim and Han-gyul, but I’m watching this show for the entire cast — and that is highly unusual for me.

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i swear this and strong woman make my week after my long kdrama overload of weightlifting <3

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I'll add shopping king louis to that list :)

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me too! i love these two dramas so much!! han gyul and so rim teaming at that claw machine was so cute! so darn cute!

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LOL at Nana and zunairaghazal's all caps. Should I do it too?

BECAUSE OF KDRAMAS, IM HAVING THE INSANE IDEA IN MY HEAD THAT I NEED TO BUY A CLAW MACHINE AND THEN GET MY PRINCE CHARMING WITH IT!!!

Yes, I'm dead serious. I thought about buying a claw machine because of the endless display of claw machines romanticism in dramas and variety shows (Sleepy/Gukjoo anyone?). Doctors had it, Liar and Lover had it, LOTBS had it, practically all the drama had it. Subway should take a lesson (yes, I didn't want to mention it, but I couldn't resist). It's giving me this insane fantasy that if I get one, a boyfriend will magically appear along with rainbows and unicorns.

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LMAO. Ppl done right.

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Lucky Crane claw machines made a bigger impact in its one minute cameo than Skechers shoes did in its in-your-face advertising. "How are they? Are they comfortable?"

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@panshel It's a relief I can't afford a claw machine then. If they were as affordable as sketchers, I might have been in trouble. Bad PPL should go to affordable stuff, and good PPL should go to impossibly expensive stuff so that I won't be tempted. Pfft.

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LOL What's with korean dramas and their claw machines. If you think about it, there's nothing even remotely romantic about claw machines. It's just a box for you to lose your money in, see your toy be out of reach, and get scammed and frustrated. I'm now of the mind that korean dramas have some magic powder in them, to be able to take anything, do some abracadabra, and then voila, it's the new "it" romantic item. Literally anything can be turned romantic. LOL

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Apparently claw machines in korea tend to be much easier! At least compared to the one i had near my place back in college..
If you search on youtube, there are tons of videos of people playing claw machines. I rmb one korean in korea spent 40,000won and got sooooo many toys. There was one huge snorlax if i rmb correctly! Like it was even bigger than the hole, but he somehow managed to get it lol

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Snorflax... A pokemon i relate to 100%

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This reminds me of Claw Machine Expectations: romantic date where you get each other a plushie Reality: getting your wallet emptied on a claw machine
Subway expectations: it will save your life Reality: it's just a sandwich
Darn that PPL.

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Speaking of which... I just realized this drama is from tvn, which means, we might get the dreaded Subway PPL again. Unless this drama is too small and not successful enough Subway wouldn't bother sponsoring them?

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Subway tends to sponsor only the more succesful dramas so this one might be spared. I'm not sure which one I want. For the drama ratings' to increase, or no Subway. That is the question, my friends.

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I'm so stocked for this series! I like the adaption so far and the changes that have been made to the story make each character more tolerable/understanding ... Hopefully it stays on track and doesn't end up wallow in melodramatic k-drama land.

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I agree the changes definitely made the characters moer tolerable from the manga

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waaaaa is it DB's version of April fools' day (I doubt it :) )? I didn't expect this so soon since the next recap indicated Rebel.

Fav episode so far!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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I want Chan Young to win everything. I would never root against Aki in the movie, but the drama makes Shinya so likable. So Rim and Jin Woo's "He's handsome. No, he's ugly." hot mic squabble with a grinning Chan Young hanging on every word was my favorite scene. So Rim is living the fangirl's dream -- Oppa driving her home (knowing how to drive: Chan Young 1, Han Gyul 0), Oppa calling her on the phone, Oppa-initiated skinship (hand-holding, headphones-wearing). I love how to So Rim, Chan Young's "If you want me to, I can even quit Crude Play" promise sounds like a Big Deal, but in reality, his growing resentment for the band has had him wanting to quit for a long time. I love Chan Young's easygoing relationship with Yoo Na whom I find a lot less annoying when she's with him.

Gyu Sun is the bestest friend ever; I feel extremely protective of him. He is an absolute sweetheart, especially when he confessed to feeling guilty at riding So Rim's coattails. Jin Hyuk belittling Gyu Sun's weight to praise Jin Woo's looks made me rage; while it is a realistic criticism from a producer, it's also the reason why celebrities go on dangerous diets. I had liked Chic Girl Se Jung ever since she no-nonsensely rejected Public Confession Boy, but her using Gullible Gyu Sun is unforgivable.

Instead of feeling sorry for Crude Play 3 (minus Chan Young) for not managing to go viral, I was scared to death their real "skills" would be exposed. My first thought was an anti uploaded the video to destroy Crude Play. What were they thinking? Though Shin JeMin's guitar-playing looks legit for not being the guitarist in Lunafly.

Can they please release Crude Play's Peter Pan? It's my favorite track on the OST. I'm not a huge fan of Joy's upbeat version of I'm Okay, but Crude Play's rearranged angsty version that Yoo Na snuck a listen to sounds like it could deserve the label of "masterpiece." Kim SungJoo has a really nice voice; I may need to pay more attention to UNIQ.

The Liar and His Lover is surprisingly addictive. Many thanks for the recap, festerfaster!

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finally someone who likes gyusun too!!! i know all the cuties is taking everyone's attention away, but gyusun is sooo cute and such a good friend. I might date him too even with all the other guys around.

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lol. When other dramas are like love triangles so hard, woo me, this drama has everyone shipping Sorim with everyone else, and getting excited over it. lol

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I know right? Other dramas are like, wow, Second Lead Syndrome, how to handle it???

Then we have TLAHL, who is like... Puhleassse. You thought SLS was bad, how about Third lead syndrome with Jinwoo. I mean whoops. Fourth Lead Syndrom after all, because third lead syndrome is actually Chanyoung.

And might as well ship her with Gyusun while we're at it.

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So... I'm no geometry genius, but does that make it a love Pentagon? or Hexagon with Gyu-sun? LMAO

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Well, I've seen some people ship her with Shi-hyun as well, so that makes it a love septagon?

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Girls, you're forgetting the other side. There is still Yoona in the other love triangle, and if we include Jinhyuk, that makes it a love square.

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So.. I counted and that makes it 9 people in the love thingy. O___O

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After googling, that makes it a "Love Nonagon" I can't. Too funny. :D

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So we've got a love heptagon on Sorim's side, and a love square on Han-kyul's side. Talk about a complicated love venn diagram. So why do I feel happy just thinking about it. hahahaha. This drama is making me into a permanent smiling fool.

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If we draw a heptagon, and the square next to it, it looks like a microphone.... and they're all musicians... just saying. ;)

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that moment when I learn more geometry in dramabeans than i ever did in math class (yes, I slept, sue me :D )

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I wish there were multiple universes so all ships could sail. Let the title of that drama be Love Geometry.

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PWUAHAHAHAHAHA "LOVE GEOMETRY" PWUAHAHAHA. Good one Klurker. Oh my stomach. *wipes tears*

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@Klurker I would watch that drama.

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And for once I can understand and how so many guys are falling for her. 70% of the I scratch my head because I can't see what makes this girl so special.

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That's all good and all that I understand why the guys love her. The problem here is I love all the guys too. So I can't decide who to ship her with, and who to ship with myself (mwuahahahaha).

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I'm having serious Multiple-Lead Syndrome. Does this exist? Because if it doesn't, it's official does now. I had Third-lead Syndrome Episode 1 and 2. Then Episode 4 came along, and I now have Second-lead Syndrome WITH Third-lead Syndrome. Plus, I also ship Sorim with Han-kyul. *heads explosion*

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Beona, I think you will like this video of The Liar and His Lover.

Jin-woo x Chan-young x Han-kyul "Pick me"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM8LMyh-mwc

You decide. kekekeke.

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@Heo MJ

I pick #2. Pick Me is iconic, but I wish someone would use the boys' version of Pick Me, which is the better song. Produce 101 is crack, I can't wait until Season 2 to start.

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kkkk panshel seems to have a bad case of SLS. poor you... it's going to be ok. kkkk

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LOL. Here is everyone with their love heptagon and triangle and squares, and here I am by myself, in my own love pentagon with Crude Play.

How can you not ship those 5 boys together after seeing Lee Hyun Woo post this adorbs picture of them together, I ask you. How? Impossible.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BSTOnYTg9XN/?taken-by=hihyunwoo

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Oh My GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD. They're so SQUISHYYYYY. SQUISH SQUISH.

That picture just made my day.

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I believe it was for LHW's birthday. I remember seeing a dark picture circulating on Twitter with the boys sitting at a table for hsi birthday

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Screw romance, welcome bromance :D :D :D :D

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Not sure if you've already found it, but they released both Peter Pan and Crude Play's version of I'm Okay \o/
> Peter Pan (unofficial link, may get removed) https://youtu.be/70ik6dTpri8
> I'm Okay (CJENM official) https://youtu.be/lzQNqAgDbZg

I'm still a couple of episodes behind on this drama (hoping to catch up soon), but I just wanted to say I like Gyu-sun too, he's so easy-going and sweet.

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I thought when Solim insisted she wanted to formally thank Chanyoung, and bowed to him and smile, it was the most adorable thing ever. For once, I'm glad I don't ahve to wonder why all the guys like her. I'm half in love with her myself. haha.

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What a coincidence! I just finish watching the drama, and here the recap is! Oh well, I don't really like Chan Yeong's approach on getting So Rim, but I can't blame him either. AND, dear Han Gyul, you should have listened to the song first before saying that you did listen to it! Now, where is my popcorn? I'll bet next episodes would be full of his tortured face seeing So Rim and her producer.

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why am I excited to see hangyul's tortured face? haha.

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Haha! And I thought I was the only one looking forward to Hangyul's tortured face. LHW does sad puppy dog looks very well-- I love the way he emotes with his eyes and he tears up convincingly! Hangyul did get himself into the whole mess by lying and taking Sorim for granted, he should at least suffer for it.

Did anyone else scream at the previews for episode 5 [SPOILERS REMOVED]

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You're not alone. There's definitely something satisfying about seeing the hero stew for a bit before getting the girl.

(I thought previews were part of spoiler talk? In any case, I don't even know if I want Hangyul to write a song for Sorim, because that would mean he would have to break up with her first. T_T)

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Agreed. Like I didn't feel bad for him at all. My response at the end of the episode was, "You played yourself" LOL

I love Han Gyul and want him to grow but...he will need to suffer first. Haha. That's how it is if you're going to run against a very strong 2nd lead you have to suffer and angst up a storm. It's the rule.

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@timeout well if it isn't a rule yet, it should be one. heroes shouldn't be allowed to act like jerks and not suffer for it (Park seo joon's character in She Was Pretty and even Hwarang, I'm looking at both of them). A little suffering, a little groveling would do wonders to soothe viewers' sentiments.

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But i do blame CY. He is clearly manipulating everyone around him so that his goal can be reached. He is almost another JH in the making. What i understand so far from his character is that, he has ambitions, which are most probably born out of jealousy over HG. He somehow seems to want to one-up him. Their mutual passive agressive negativity towards each other is so palpable in some scenes. But like the recapper said, HG atleast seems to want to make things right between them. When he was at the rooftop explaining to her about the number of cruel people she will be exposed to, I was like, 'You are right up at the top dude'.

On another note HG is stupid to have not listened to the song and lying about it(please do yourself a favour and stop lying will ya?) to JH. But also that simple lie spoke volumes of how much he values his friends including CY. To me it seemed like he did not listen to the song on purpose, as he did not even want to remotely get in the way of CY's plans. Kudos to HG on that✌!

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There's "Liar" in the title... I think it will take some major lessons learnt before he stops lying. Small lies snowballing and all. Losing out on Sorim to CY should probably be the first major lesson. ;)

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I bet Han Gyul's stammering "What's K?" lie will come back to bite him in the butt.

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The funny thing is, he's SO BAD at lying. He's so obvious when he lies, only someone like Sorim wouldn't think to suspect him. lol.

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In the manga, lying isn't really in Aki's (Han Gyul) character. It is rather a result of his deep depression and his desires, hidden in his subconsciousness, breaking out. In the spur of the moment, by an impulse that he doesn't understand himself, he tells Riko (Sorim) that his first name is Shinya (Crude Play's bassist's name), and has to cringe everytime she lovingly calls him Shinya, lol. Too bad they didn't keep this part in the kdrama. He tells her he hates singing girls because he was so badly hurt by the betrayal of his idol girlfriend Mari (his first girlfriend, the only girl that he loved, they were together for 3 years before he found out she was cheating on him with Crude Play's producer), and he feels that everything in his life revolves around music and is connected to that producer, that he wishes his new girlfriend to have as little connection to these 2 factors as possible. I'm glad that people here enjoy the kdrama, but they changed it so much from the original that I hardly see similarities. The lines are 95% different. Riko's character is spot on, I like how Joy plays her, but Aki feels like a fusion between a watered down and less likable version of Aki + some character traits of the Crude Play's producer (Aki would never shout at his friends from Crude Play, telling them that anyway, somebody else will be playing the instruments for them, moreso since this is also a sensitive topic for him). He was also not strutting on the screen with a mask on (he's more of an introvert, not an idol-type show -off, some even call him a hikikomori for his tendency to hide in his appartment for days writing songs), the fans had no idea how he looked liked and wondered that maybe he was fat and that's why they had to replace him with Shinya right before the debute:). The Jmovie is more closer in content to the manga, though they too changed a lot of things, but it is overly dark, the manga is more light hearted and youthfull, despite the udercurrent themes of depression and struggle.

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when I saw that seen of HG telling SR he hated girls who sing, I was like "that's in the manga!!!!" I was happy it was included, although I wonder if it was clear to non-manga readers that he said that because of his ex-girlfriend or not.

SR really resembles Riko so I'm happy about that. I like that the kdrama made Aki less emo, not that I disliked Aki in the manga, I just like having different versions. there are some things changed in the kdrama i wished wasn't change but overall, I'm looking forward to the next episodes so I can't complain too much.

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I actually like the more regular-dude version of Aki in Hangyul. I find it more easy to connect with, and less frustrating. I find most of the characters are improved from the manga overall, in that they feel like silly or frustrating.

My rank would be for overall quality:

movie > drama >= manga

characterization:

drama > movie > manga

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intricacy/complexity:

manga > drama > movie

depth:

movie = manga > drama

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The bitchy classmate gonna be a singer rite?

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she probably has the ambition to. I feel bad for gyusun for being used. Leave my teddy bear alone!

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No, if u read the manga you'll know that the classmate is actually a huge Crude Play fan and hates the fact that Rkio/Sorim got cast in the same company as CP. She's using her friend in order to get closer to CP.

Since the manga isn't done we dont know if she wanted to become a singer or not.

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Nothing "big" happened in this episode, in that there was no earthquake or death sentence or bomb exploding, and yet I felt excited and giddy the whole time.

I must be sadistic, because I KNEW Hangyul would totally regret missing out on Mush&CO and I was half rooting for him to find out, and half rooting for him to fail, just so we could get him to have to long for Sorim the entire time she'll be produced by Chanyoung. Yeah, I'm totally sadistic that way.
Anyway, the anticipation of the inevitable made me on edge the entire episode and the ending scene just had me jumping up and down from excitement.

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Spot on. Thanks festerfaster and SailorJumun for the recaps.

Aww. That claw machine scene is super cute. It is the claw machine ppl to end all claw machine ppls.

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The comments festerfeaster made in the end were SO SPOT ON. I'm so glad her and SailorJumun are recapping this drama.

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I know that this episode made a lot of people warm up to Chan-young, but there's something about him that just seems really off to me. It's mainly due to his interactions with Han-gyul, and how rude he is to him. I hope we get to learn more about his backstory so we can see why he's so intense about Han-gyul and producing and stuff.

Also, is it weird that I get upset whenever someone focuses on So-rim and ignores Gyu-sun and Jin-woo? When Jin-hyuk and Chan-young did it in this episode, it actually made me feel really bad for them.

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I think Chanyoung just feels a sense of rivalry. Because he's talented as well, it's inevitable he wants to use that talent, and unable to use it the way he wants, and seeing Hangyul be able to fulfill his own ambitions probably gave him long term envy and frustration that goes with it.

It's weird that people focus on Sorim more, but it's how real-life works too. It's sad, but whenever there is a popular member in an idol group, when you watch the shows, all the MCs and interviewers keep focusing on them. Cha Eunwoo with Astro has that problem right now, and you can tell how uncomfortable that makes him and the other members.
I'm pretty sure that will be a source of conflict later on for MUSH. And rather than Jinwoo, I think it might be Gyusun who will find a problem with it.

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Noooooo!!! Don't mess with my puppies. I don't care about anything else, I just want Sorim, JW, and GS to stay together as cute puppies forever. They can't fight!

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Besides the fact that Cha EunWoo is the current It Boy for his perfect face, I think MCs and interviewers keep focusing on him because they legitimately do not know the other Astro members' names. Not everyone is like Yoo Jae Suk who goes out of his way to learn every guest's name; most people are like Park Myung Soo who would get your name wrong even if you've just introduced yourself.

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Is this an Infinity Challenge reference when Park Myung Soo called SeHun "Willis"? I was dying laughing.

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I haven't checked out ASTRO yet but after a quick google...WOW Fantagio sure knows how to pick 'em.

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Cha EunWoo is undeniably one of the top visuals in k-pop. Fantagio is going to push him to be the Second Seo Kang Joon. Unfortunately, like Seo Kang Joon, Cha EunWoo is pretty but can't act. He was stiff in To Be Continued. Still, I wouldn't mind if Cha EunWoo gets casted for School 2017 because he's age-appropriate, but as long as he's not the lead.

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When Chan Young unwarrantedly yelled at Han Gyul over the phone, I couldn't believe my ears. Are you seriously talking to your hyung like that?!

At least Chan Young picked Gyu Sun and Jin Woo up (or made them catch a bus) to listen to his song together. When Chan Young pleaded with So Rim to go with him, I legitimately thought she was going to be the only one to hear it.

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I didn't like that he throwed a fit and yelled at HG but I don't mind the fact that it was dongsaeng-hyung. If he's angry, he's angry. I think it's unfair that hyungs are less required to hold in their anger than dongsaengs.

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I don't know if this is because it's based on a manga, with established character, but I'm AMAZED at how organic each character feels to me, even the small ones like that staff girl who has a crush on shihyun.
The only character I'm still trying to define is the drummer (he's quiet and practices is what I've got so far), but the band as its own entity feels organic. Mainly because of the twist we have this episode. When they introduced Sorim defending the cover band Real Crude Play, I should have known something was up, but I did not expect that cover band to be the actual real crude play. Haha. Call me slow. It gave them so much depth that they longed to be recognized for their own skills and music, and gave a more solid foundation to Yoon's anger at Hangyul when he told them they could just handsync at concerts.

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This drama is life. I love all the characters in it, and that includes the villains. I don't like them, but I love it that I find them interesting, and am super curious about where the story is going with these characters. All the characters.

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Watching this drama makes me want to scream Hallelujah. And I'm not even religious, or Christian. I just feel so happy and grateful for it, it gives me the urge to dance around like solim.

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So. I have been keeping quiet hoping to see some sense, but after the fourth episode, I have to ask.

Since when are recappers in dramabeans so afraid of fans? It's one thing to have fans praise a drama, but it's another for recappers to do it when it's undeserved. Just because a few fans guilt-tripped people by talking about Joy's weight, age, and whatnot, I no longer see any criticism on this site. Everyone is suddenly full of praise, when we all know that before that, they found her awkward. The only I've seen that changed is that the fans have scared people into not talking.

Well, if nobody has the guts to say it, I will. She can't act, she can't sing, and since she's carrying this drama as the main lead, this drama is sinking with her. There.

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what has SailorJumun and festerfaster ever done to this hater. I know the word hater is overused, but I would like to think I'm excused in this case.

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What about taking somebody else's role by using the power of her agency? I'm so sick and tired of SM pushing their idols into lead roles when they should start at the bottom and don't have any skills to back it up.

I agree wholeheartedly with B. She can't act, she can't sing, and I'll add that she doesn't even have the visual excuse Suzy, Yoona, IU, Lee Yeon Hee or Jin Seyeon have. Poor excuse, grant you. But at least, visuals could count for something. It's a triple fail with no visual. Her acting consists of smiling throughout, it was so awful I can't get past a full episode of it. Her voice is mediocre at best. Only her fans would rave over how "special" it sounds. Don't make me laugh.

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Way to look down on viewers and recappers. Just because we love the drama and Sorim doesn't make us scared or brainwashed. I can't. Even.
For the record, I'm not a Joy fan, and I love her voice in this drama. I also think she's super pretty. That does not make me brainwashed, thank you very much.

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This was a reply to "hale" below, but it works as a reply to Indiana just as well.

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Oh come on, I would understand people talking about agency's abuse of power in pushing their idols in IF Joy was the only newbie cast in the drama. She's not. Aside from Lee Hyun Woo, and I've checked, Inho in Crude Play, nobody else has any other credits to their name on Asianwiki amongst the young cast.

I would think that by episode 4, people would understand why she was casted. She suits her role to a T. Her speaking voice is melodious, her singing tone is warm, soft and unique, her personality matches Sorim well, and yes, she's not a no-name. Which probably played a small part in choosing her as lead role: imagine how casting completely unknowns no-name would do to public interest. Even the reply series, Eunji and Seo In Guk were well-known as singers. Age of Youth cast too had familiar names.
So yes, I'll concede that her public recognition probably played a factor in the casting, but don't discount all the other things. IF SM used its power, for once, I'm glad they did, because to me, Joy = Sorim.

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Lee Seo Won has credits to his name.

I didn't realize Jang Ki Yong had that many credits to his name because I find him to be the worst actor of the bunch. Moreover, he looks different here than he did in IU's Friday MV.

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Oooh What else has he done? I've only seen him in that minor role in Uncontrollably Fond but he left an impression.

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My question was to panshel about Lee Seo Won. Thought i can probably google in myself later if I manage to escape from Dramabeans. :)

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@Haley

Lee Seo Won was the best thing about Uncontrollably Fond. I personally enjoyed Uncontrollably Fond a lot because I'm always in the mood for a good melodrama, but Lee Seo Won made the twenty hours worth it.

I always laugh at javabeans' comment in What we’re watching because I wholeheartedly agree:

The writer rewarded terrible Haru by making Jik like her back — this show is dead to me now.

Lee Seo Won made his acting debut in Awl, plus he's done a couple of films. Moreover, Lee Seo Won is currently the MC for Music Bank whom must love casting Blossom actors because Song Joong Ki and Park Bo Gum MC'ed in the past.

P.S. I hope Lee Seo Won get casted for School 2017.

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@panshel Do you mind sharing what films? I can't find them.

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I haven't seen his films, but according to Wiki, Lee Seo Won was in:

-Knocking on the Door to Your Heart
-Man of Will (also known as Admiral Kim Chang Soo)
http://www.hancinema.net/photos/fullsizephoto784553.jpg

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@B and @Indiana - you are entitled to your opinions of course, you can rant all you want about Joy being a fat, unattractive, talentless idol who is given the role because of powerful greedy SM.

But unfortunately, I have to call you both out on insulting the recappers and the viewers and commenters just for liking the drama. That was rude and frankly, juvenile. As a noona fan a decade older than most of the young cast and a prosecutor in my country, I can assure you that I was never brainwashed or scared by fans into liking this drama. I am sorry you are not enjoying this drama but that does not give you the right to assume thay we who do are Joy fans or were bullied into submission.

I do not follow Red Velvet and I've only seen Joy in WGM only because I was watching Jonghyun and Seungyon that time. Didn't it occur to you that maybe a lot of beanies like her and is convinced in this drama now is because her Yoon Sorim character is quite like her real persona based on WGM? Yes, I can see she's quite green but her flaws aren't distracting enough especially when she comes across as very likeable.

Joy aside, the drama is actually very good with fleshed out characters that feel real and yes, the color palette is very pretty. I like this drama because it is like a shoujo manga come to life with a reverse harem to boot.

If you're salty about this idol casting or hate Joy, its on you. But please give our recappers and this drama's viewers some respect our taste and a little credit for our own discernment and agency.

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THIS.

(tiny voice: I don't think it's ok to call her fat though...)

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But please give our recappers and this drama’s viewers some respect our taste and a little credit for our own discernment and agency.

No wonder you're in law.... that eloquency. *clap clap*

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It's probably a bit much to say they're scared. I see your point tho. Sadly, it seems like the recappers have been brainwashed by the comments, probably done by Joy fans. I trust Dramabeans to be objective, but there are some cases where they're not.

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Why so salty peeps?
I understand how you feel that some nepotism got her through for this role. But objectively speaking Joy fits the bill. We are no robots or some cattle to be brainwashed, thank you. Also we guys comment after the recap is done and not beforehand, so that bit dosen't make sense.
For the record i never knew of joy's exitence before this drama aired.

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-- We are no robots or some cattle to be brainwashed, thank you. --

Bravo. Just because we like a drama others don't like doesn't excuse anyone for demeaning our tastes.

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Heol. I didn't even know Joy before this show. And I had certainly loved it before even realizing it was being recapped on DB. So no, sorry, I don't get this brainwash thing you're going on about. Please take your salt somewhere else.

P.S. I can't believe "brainwash" is even a valid argument. Lol.

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There are literally dozens and dozens and dozens of dramas Dramabeans have covered over the years where the recaps were positive and fangirling by recappers was well-received. I'm not sure why the sudden salt for this particular drama to be honest.

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a lot of people already had major prejudice against this drama if you go by the early News posts on here before this drama aired. The salt probably comes from the fact that they're expectations were not confirmed.

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@IreBel I don't think it's that their expectations weren't confirmed but rather that they went into the show with confirmation bias. They thought she'd do badly because she's an ~idol who only got the role cause of her company~ that anything short of Oscar level acting would be shit.

It's actually so sad how mad they're getting that other people enjoy the show (and Joy) and accuse them of being brainwashed. So dramatic.

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Even with established young actresses, there are moments when I find them awkward or lacking, so I wished people could give a little leeway.

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eri, maybe the animosity also is because it's joy.

Joy is well-liked, but there is people who hate her. And those who hate her, hate her with vigor. T___T

No matter what project she starts, it always begins with lots of criticism and bashing. I try to think of the comments here as a positive thing. when she started the show "We got married" there were so many comments criticizing her and calling her desperate, fat, clingy, but the Bbyu couple with Yook Sung-jae is now a legend couple. One of the best liked couple in We got married history. Maybe the response to this drama in the beginning will mean that the drama will be well-liked in the end too? kkkk

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I love Park So-dam, yet I (and the other beanies) had a lot of negative things to say at the Cinderella4K recap comments.

I am not a Joy fan yet I think she fits Sorim really well and I am warming up to her personality. I luff this show as well, nobody had to brainwash me.

I hope B is just in the mood for April fools.

ps. My brain hasn't been washed since forever; it's kinda dirty now in fact. Like when I see them handsome lads on my screen. lol. (miyanhe from your ahjumma watcher, Crude Play)

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Is it really THAT hard to believe that some people (including me and the recapper) might genuinely love this drama?

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The problem is if you go to other sites, the comments are different from the ones in dramabeans. Many comments decry how junvenile and bad this drama is, and say that Joy can't act, is weird-looking, and more. My guess is that people who saw those comments and expect the recappers and commenters here to be the same. And when their expectation isn't met, they start with the conspiracy.

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I think people on soompi love this drama,
which other comment is talk about the juvenile side?

If you count the netizen place, many of that commenter probably didn't watch the drama

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I clicked and JCW header in you blog, nice Cozybooks ;D

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Lol I had so much fun learning how to make those. My favorite is one of Lee Jong Suk (of course) with this suave look on his face. I added the words: "come drama with me." It's the best. I think I need to change them up sometime soon though, there's just so many good actors!

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I request seo in guk, sungjae, lee dong wook, song joongki, oo ah in, and let's stop here. haha.

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In the beginning, I was wary of Joy's casting with no experience and felt she tended to overact in Episode 1 by acting overly bubbly and overly sad, but I've quite warmed up to Joy's acting. She is a delight to watch as the show went on. Acting may be subjective, but I thought it was widely accepted that Joy can sing, no? Obviously, it's too early to call, but this drama is certainly not sinking with her as Episode 4 recorded its highest ratings.

Joy is not the problem. This is no doubt an unpopular opinion, but I feel like Lee Hyun Woo acts strangely unnatural. Like when he is reclusively moping or heartily laughing, it somehow feels forced to me. Lee Hyun Woo was more in his element in this episode, but I remember him being a better actor than this. I think it's because I can't reconcile the romance, so his acting seems off.

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Agreed. I think he feels the most off and unnatural to me, too. But maybe he's supposed to be awkward? Or maybe relative to Joy's natural warmth it just comes across as a little stilted.

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I do think part of it is his character like you said, he's not the most flexible and warm guy around. I'll give that award to Shihyun.

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Nah, she's not good at singing. Wendy and Seulgi are better singers + Joy raps most of the time. Hearing her fans say she was casted because she can sing shows how delusional they are.

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Well then, how come I'm not her fan (I'm an Inspirit) but still find her tone to be very pretty and unique. I must be delusional too right?

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Since I'm a ReVel fan I'd say don't take that person seriously lol Wendy and Seulgi maybe being better singers doesn't make Joy bad. Technically Joy isn't even much worse than Seulgi. Vocal techniques suggest Joy and Seulgi are both average vocalists. Joy's tone is considered more special though. Pann posts about vocal colours always mention Joy when it comes to Red Velvet. Also Joy sings plenty in their albums so that person is already off about her "rapping most of the time" just cause she rapped in two songs.

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She rapped in Haengbok (happiness), and Rookie right?

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@Wndn She raps in Dumb Dumb and Ice Cream Cake. Although most of Happiness is also kinda "speak lyrics instead of singing them" lol so idk if that counts :)

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I might be wrong, but I think officially, there is no designation for RV about who is a vocalist or rappers, they don't separate it. Though fans do draw it out and call it vocal line, dance line, etc

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Wow. I can feel your anger on my screen.

First of all, WHO ARE YOU to be assuming what the recappers feel about a drama, fans of the drama, or the actors in a drama. Whether she likes it or not is none of your friggin' business. I'm not even a fan of any of these actors (well, except Teo--err, Shin Jemin, because I was a lukie before he left Lunafly).

If you don't like Joy's acting, then go ahead and say it, but don't go making conspiracy theories just because you don't frickin's agree with other people.

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I've seen similar comments in previous recaps, questioning the authenticity of the recappers' feelings. It's offensive. It's like they don't want to believe that their opinion about Joy's bad acting is not shared.

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I've seen those comments too. I feel like it's condescending both on the fans and the recappers, to assume they are being "soft"

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PREACH~~~

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If you can't stomach this drama, then please just kindly and quietly go away. We can enjoy this drama fine with your own drama.

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people can change, even suzy and yoona get many flak from her own fans,

people who dislike the drama probably didn't watch ,
then do you watch the drama and do you like it?
if not then it's okay but to say that people here are fabricated their likeness in 4 ep is reaching,

let's see if her acting is going downhill and how people reacting,
just like in many drama recently, ex TMY,
people at 1st call it masterpiece and at the end come to term on how it fail,
judging by ep 4 is the same,
but the real point is do you watch this until ep 4 and what is your opinion?

If you don't think she is pretty then it's a shame, cause pretty look without actual use other than looked good will not sit well for people who enjoy emotion

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From the comments I've been reading, seems that people who don't like this drama have the impression that those who do are mostly silly tweens, which might explain the condescension I get from the comments, and the accusations, and such.

I'm 27, don't think of myself as silly, and I like it.

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I am fine if people watch and don't like the drama but to assume that people who watch must be blind in 4 episode is like being petty,

Idk why joy get so much hate,
the director say she got in because of audition: people don't believe
the watcher say she act fine: people don't believe
the audience say her singing is fine: people don't believe

I understand she were no suzy popularity and pretty (that depends actually)
she were no IU in singing but I can't say that she sings bad or she is not pretty

she sing fairly well and in an industry, a voice that matches the right song is what needed, not only just the voice,

I just don't get the opinion that just because she wasn't the best in the field of beauty and singing, she shouldn't get the role,

she act fine and sing fine, she is worth the role,
other probably do better but her is not a regrettable choice

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the director also said his choice to cast her will be revealed to either have been worth it or not depending on the audience's response. the audience has spoken, the ratings are even lower than Introverted boss. that makes her casting choice a mistake.

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idk what audience you means,
the drama rating increase a little by little,
isn't that means it attracted people and make the original viewer stay?

if the low rating drama means the drama overall is bad, wouldn't that make Goblin and DOTS as perfect (which will make more people counter the argument)

I rate drama good when the viewer stay because they watched and they want to watch again, means the satisfaction rating is high,

like a dish, a popular dish probably consume by many people but you always gonna find some unpopular dish in rural area without much exposure but taste really good,

if the viewer satisfied, what will the non- viewer can judge,

and based on the viewer, she isn't a regrettable choice,

nb : introverted boss rating is higher but many people show concern and critics that the actress in incompetence so is that make IB better drama despite the review is bad?

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Wow way to be presumptuous. Who are you to decide what the viewers or recappers feel? I really like joy in this role and I think she sings just fine. It's your opinion if you find her acting, singing and looks bad. But to assume that us who do like her only do so because we are forced to? Lol do you really think comments made on the internet count for shit? You truly are delusional and so is your friend who commented agreeing with you.

I can understand having a preference of her voice and acting ability, but to call the girl fat? Are you blind? How can anyone comment on her weight?

I find she fits the role just fine. She acts exactly how I would picture a school girl to act. I can't picture anyone else in this role and for her first foray into acting I think she is doing really well. Why dampen a girls spirit like this.

I never comment but your comment really riled me up you are just being resentful and very petty.

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If someone has been on this site long enough, we'll know that the concept of being "forced" to like anything is laughable.

Dramas with popular actors like LMH, or idols like the guys from Exo, who I think, have probably a bazillion times more fans than Joy, don't get spared. Joy has lots of fans, but I doubt she has as many fans as those mentioned, or enough to "scare" anyone. You're right, those people are just petty.

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This episode was the best for me!
The love triangle starting, the Crude Play secret, Sorim asking for her friends to be included, and more and more goodness.

And I just love it whenever we get to hear Sorim sing. Instead of feeling like it's out of place, I just relish in it. Mmmwua.

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Thanks for the recap!!!! There are no parts of this drama where I feel bored watching, because each scene, even when the main characters are not present, is interesting and adds layers to the characters. Of course, I'm happiest when Sorim is on screen. + when Chanyoung looks at her and smiles, it just makes me into a puddle of goo.

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Joy is doing wonders for this drama. Usually, bright and optimistic female leads who seem to exist just to pine for the main lead annoy me but So Rim here just makes me root for her. Perhaps it's because of how the character was developed but then again, I still give huge props to the actress. She is able to breathe life into the character with a perfect mix of charm, innocence, cuteness, and spunk. She made it appear as if So Rim is an actual living person and not just a character in a show.

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I agree. I could have easily disliked Sorim for chasing after Hangyul, but I'm having the opposite reaction. I usually love complex intelligent female characters -- not that I'm saying Sorim is stupid -- but Sorim makes me love her despite what a simple person she is, or perhaps even because of it, because of what an complicated person she is.

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