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The Liar and His Lover: Episode 8

After years of working in an industry where promises are meaningless unless bound in a contract, So-rim’s integrity becomes a sudden obstacle for Han-gyul’s need to hear her sing his song. So now, he has some choices to make. He’s always put music before everyone else, and despite his best intentions, lying is an easy habit to slip back into. Will Han-gyul see the trap he’s laid for himself? Or will he sacrifice another relationship at the altar of his music?

 
EPISODE 8 RECAP

Jin-hyuk is shocked to find out from CEO Yoo that the Crude Play boys have been uploading videos of their practice sessions on the net. The folder she throws at him even contains a testimony from the guitarist Han-gyul had fired from Sole Music. Before leaving, CEO Yoo snarls that he should have focused on the band he already had.

Han-gyul walks home listlessly after So-rim refuses to listen to the song he wrote for her. He slows down when he notices a man playing the guitar across from his front door. Finally, he greets the man as his father, and In-woo looks up and smiles at him.

They go inside, and In-woo looks around the house with open curiosity. Han-gyul is more interested in why he’s here and when he arrived in Seoul, but his father wants to check out his studio and make dinner. When In-woo tells him that he’s been in the city for two months, Han-gyul asks sarcastically if he’s been too busy playing on the streets to come visit.

Chan-young reads about Mush & Co’s debut in the car ride back home. Shi-hyun gets a call from Soo-yeon, and she tells him that they’ve been found out. Jin-hyuk calls the van driver and has the boys brought back to Sole’s studio so he can rake them over.

Shi-hyun, Yoon, and In-ho try to defend their actions by pointing out that they feel fake every time they go up on stage, but their righteousness withers before Jin-hyuk’s anger. He points out their hypocrisy in wanting to make “real” music when their stunt could have ruined the very real hard work of the people around them.

He asks them if Han-gyul knows, and Shi-hyun asks Jin-hyuk to keep the videos a secret from their friend. This makes Chan-young — who had been listening silently to everything — smile grimly to himself. Once outside, the boys stop Chan-young to apologize, but he points out that even after five years he’s still an outsider to them, the one they only think about after Han-gyul. He thanks them for teaching him to distrust them.

Jin-hyuk and CEO Yoo meet with the reporter with the scoop about Crude Play. Jin-hyuk denies that the videos were of his boys, but the reporter has him cornered. He asks for meatier gossip in exchange for staying silent about Crude Play. CEO Yoo asks if Jin-hyuk and Yoo-na’s wedding is a big enough scoop. Jin-hyuk is taken aback, but he remains silent when the reporter squeals in glee.

Han-gyul calls Shi-hyun, who looks painfully at the screen but doesn’t pick up. In turn, So-rim calls Han-gyul, who frowns at the screen and texts that he’ll call back. In-woo calls Han-gyul down for dinner, and when he tries to pretend that he’s listening to music in his room, he shouts “Han-gyulie, gyulie, gyulie, gyulie, gyulie!” till he gives up and comes down. Oh my god, that was so cute!

Han-gyul finds his dad pouring truffles into his wok and squeaks that they were really expensive. In-woo laughs and explains that he thought they were normal mushrooms that were going bad. This makes Han-gyul ask indignantly if he was planning on feeding him moldy mushrooms. Hahaha.

So-rim sits mournfully, thinking about the moment when she rejected Han-gyul’s song. Her phone rings and she snaps it up, hoping for a call from Han-gyul. But it’s Chan-young, and he’s waiting for her outside her house.

She goes out to meet him and can tell that something is off. Chan-young smiles and says that Han-gyul will want to write a song for her. His face shows clearly that he expects her to choose Han-gyul’s music, since she likes him. But So-rim surprises him by saying that she’s already turned it down, because she’d promised to work with Chan-young first.

Chan-young laughs in relief and thinks back to Han-gyul’s words to Shi-hyun: “In a battle, where the opponent doesn’t want to win… I can’t win either.” He asks So-rim if there is such a thing as winning and losing in music. “The one who wants to win is likely losing, right?” he asks her.

He takes her hand and promises to be by her side anyway. As long as she trusts him, he promises not to let her go.

Jin-hyuk meets Yoo-na on his way out of Sole. She’s furious about being replaced in the ad contract by a rookie band and hurt that Jin-hyuk has been avoiding her calls all day. He can’t really explain the machinations behind the scenes, and Yoo-na leaves after telling him that she doesn’t want to hear anything more from him.

Han-gyul leaves early the next morning, which makes In-woo ask if he’s uncomfortable in his home because of his father’s presence. Han-gyul stops at the door and retorts that his father is the one who seems uncomfortable, because why else would he try and act like a nice dad at this point? He asks In-woo to just be himself.

In-woo visits the market and stops at Grandma’s vegetable shop, where So-rim recognizes him. He tells So-rim that he’s staying nearby with someone who doesn’t like him much, but he like him a lot. So-rim admits that she has someone like that too.

They bond over coffee and self pity, and So-rim asks why she feels hurt when he doesn’t take her calls, when a few weeks back, a text from him would make her day. In-woo explains that expectations build up when you find someone you want to rely on.

Han-gyul is listening to the new band for Crude Play’s recording practice when Shi-hyun comes in to talk to him. He notices that Han-gyul is ignoring So-rim’s calls, and Han-gyul admits that he’s angry because she rejected his music twice.

Shi-hyun says that she’s only been able to reject it because she hasn’t heard his song yet. Han-gyul perks up at this and wonders aloud if he should find a way to make her listen. But Shi-hyun interrupts him and asks why he’s so eager to have someone else sing his music — is Crude Play not enough? Before Han-gyul can register the hurt in Shi-hyun’s voice, he leaves.

Mush & Co get their first photo shoot, as stylists try to figure out which look suits their image the best. So-rim walks out in a pretty dress and stuns the boys. She’s flattered by their reaction, until her eyes fall on a poster of the older, more glamorous Yoo-na. Soo-yeon offers to do her make up to get an idea of the full look.

Han-gyul sits alone in his studio trying to figure out ways to trick So-rim into hearing his song. (Pfft. What happened to not lying?) So-rim calls him from outside the room, asking if she can come in. He gets up and unlocks the door, and then stands speechless as So-rim walks in with her new look.

She asks if he’s still angry with her, but he stumbles over himself to tell her that he isn’t. He can’t look away from her, but all he manages to say is that the lipstick she’s wearing is too bold for her age. *facepalm*

So-rim notices the bass guitar asks him to play for her. When he declines, she doesn’t press the issue and instead asks him about the difference between a guitar and a bass. This prompts Han-gyul to help position her fingers correctly on the instrument until he’s standing with his arms around her, their faces inches apart. So-rim’s smile dies away as awareness heats the air, but before anything can happen, Chan-young comes into the room.

He calls their “moment” much too predictable (ha), but then pays lavish compliments to So-rim on her new look. Han-gyul watches this with disbelief, barely suppressing an eye-roll. On his way out, Chan-young asks to speak to Han-gyul in private.

Outside the studio, he asks Han-gyul if he gave So-rim a song. Han-gyul says that it wasn’t for her debut and didn’t have much meaning. Chan-young scoffs at this and says that he knows Jin-hyuk hasn’t given up on Han-gyul producing Mush & Co. With a smug smile, he tells him that he’ll repay So-rim for choosing him over Han-gyul, so he should stop trying to come between them. Jin-hyuk overhears this exchange from around the corner.

Han-gyul re-enters the room to find So-rim with her earphones in, singing to herself. He flashes back to the first time he heard Chan-young playing his part in the band. He had asked Jin-hyuk who the bassist was, and Jin-hyuk had explained that people need to believe that Han-gyul was not only an excellent songwriter but also a brilliant bassist. At his shock, Jin-hyuk had laughingly asked if he had believed himself to be a good at playing the bass. (Ugh, that was mean.)

In the present, he strides to So-rim and takes off her earphones. “Don’t sing that song,” he tells her. “It’s fine if you won’t sing my song, but don’t sing his either.” Ouch.

That night, he finds Yoo-na waiting outside his house. She asks him once again to write a song for her, and he asks her if she isn’t ashamed. Yoo-na tells him that compared to when she was in love with him, this is nothing. Back then, she was afraid that he would find her voice inadequate for his song, so asking him to write her one could have lost her his love as well as respect. But now all she has to lose is her pride. Han-gyul doesn’t have a response to that.

The next morning, Han-gyul talks to Jin-hyuk about Yoo-na’s lapsed ad contract. He’s angry on her behalf, since Jin-hyuk seems to be putting his business before her. Jin-hyuk seems unflappable, but he proposes that Han-gyul write a song for Yoo-na in exchange for So-rim. This trips Han-gyul up, especially when Jin-hyuk points out that he might lose So-rim to Chan-young permanently.

While In-woo practices with a band, Yoo-seok saunters in late. He bullies the other musicians and throws his weight around until In-woo gets up and leaves. CEO Yoo catches him on his way out and asks why he’s leaving early. He explains that Yoo-seok isn’t ready for practice, and he’ll come back when he is. CEO Yoo says with frustration that Yoo-seok is a businessman now, not a man who performs for the love of music. In-woo simply says that he won’t be coming back then.

Han-gyul notices them in the lobby and asks his father what he’s doing there. They move to CEO Yoo’s office, where Han-gyul has a meltdown when he hears that In-woo is acting as session musician for the man who stole all his songs.

CEO Yoo is upset at his tone and reminds him that she’s the one who rescued Crude Play from their recent scandal. Han-gyul asks what scandal she’s talking about, and CEO Yoo has the grace to look uncomfortable at her gaffe.

In-woo takes Han-gyul aside and tells him about the whole thing. (How does he know?) Han-gyul wants to race off to confront his friends, but In-woo asks what he wants to hear from them. He points out that Sole and Han-gyul have the same goal — producing his music with the most efficient musicians and making the most money. He adds that his friends have had to live as dolls concerned only with their own stardom to preserve this perfect production line of Han-gyul’s musical creations.

Stung by his father’s words, he turns the knife back at his father: “You aren’t free, you just don’t have the confidence to be responsible for your music. Just like you couldn’t be responsible for Mother and me.” Before walking away, Han-gyul adds that even if he becomes the bad guy, he’ll always be responsible for what belongs to him.

Han-gyul gathers his friends at Shi-hyun’s bar and confronts them about the videos. He makes it clear that he doesn’t want to know their reasons and just wants to make sure this never happens again. Shi-hyun asks if Han-gyul had even listened to their videos. Han-gyul says that he’s heard their subpar playing for ten years and that anyone with good ear will know the difference between their music and the music recorded for Crude Play.

This makes Shi-hyun yell that he can’t tell the difference. No matter how faithfully they stick to the music sheets they can never satisfy Han-gyul. He asks his friend if he knows how inadequate he makes them feel. Concluding that the band is just business for Han-gyul, Shi-hyun tells him that he doesn’t want to sing his songs anymore.

The three boys walk out, leaving Han-gyul standing alone in the bar. He looks towards the stage, thinking back to the time when they practiced for a small gig in that bar. Han-gyul had been frustrated at their mistakes, while Yoon, In-ho, and Shi-hyun had claimed that their appearances would make up for any deficiency. In the present, Han-gyul blinks away tears.

Jin-hyuk drives Yoo-na to dinner and tells her that Han-gyul agreed to write her a song. She asks how he agreed, and Jin-hyuk jokes that he just had to hold someone hostage. Yoo-na’s face falls then, and she asks if it’s So-rim. She wonders what kind of person she is to inspire this kind of attention from so many people.

Han-gyul gets home to find that In-woo’s things have disappeared from the spare room. He curls up on his sofa and tells himself in a sad whisper: “I knew it.” His father has left him again.

Gyu-sun and Se-jung sit at a cafe where she asks him about their debut song. He promises to tell her once it’s decided, then gets up to pay for their food. Se-jung swipes his phone and hands him his bag as he leaves for practice.

In the studio, Gyu-sun realizes that his phone is missing but it’s too late to go find it. Soo-yeon arrives with a flash drive of five songs for them to listen to — one of these will be their debut songs.

As Chan-young nears Jin-hyuk’s office, he hears his song playing. He smiles and opens the door, when suddenly, Jin-hyuk switches the track to another. In the studio room, So-rim listens to the track too, and it has the same beginning as K’s. Her mouth tightens as she listens to it.

Chan-young asks who wrote the second song, but Jin-hyuk guesses that he knows K’s songs well enough to recognize one. Those two songs are among the five to be discussed by the executives in a meeting soon. Chan-young turns and leaves, and after staring at the screen for a moment, Jin-hyuk deletes one of the songs. He hands this shortened list to Soo-yeon for the meeting.

Chan-young arrives to find Han-gyul working on Yoo-na’s song in his house. He asks why Han-gyul submitted his song to Jin-hyuk after he repeatedly asked him to stay away. Han-gyul tells him that he met and discovered So-rim’s voice first, so he has a right to be involved in her debut.

This is clearly news to Chan-young, but he doesn’t back down. He accuses Han-gyul of using So-rim’s infatuation to make her sing his music. He tells him not to fool around at such an important junction in So-rim’s life.

But Han-gyul asks what Chan-young plans to do if he’s serious about So-rim. “What if I want to be with her and do everything with her, including music?” he asks. Chan-young stares at him, nonplussed, then says: “You should still give up.”

He tells Han-gyul that he makes everyone around him miserable, and Han-gyul doesn’t deny it, but he says that it’s up to So-rim to decide. He advises Chan-young to keep out of their relationship, just like he isn’t talking to Jin-hyuk about fixing Chan-young’s song.

Through his anger, Chan-young tells him that it was because of Jin-hyuk’s greed to release his music quickly that Crude Play didn’t get the practice they needed to play their own songs. So, it’s Han-gyul’s fault that his friends have become fakes.

After Chan-young storms out of Han-gyul’s home, he gets a text from Soo-yeon that the decision has been made. Jin-hyuk calls Han-gyul to tell him that they chose Chan-young’s song. Han-gyul is disappointed, but he praises Chan-young’s song as one that will show So-rim’s voice to advantage.

Jin-hyuk is pleased with his attitude, then he asks how Yoo-na’s song is coming along. Han-gyul figures out that he’s been manipulated and asks if Jin-hyuk thinks he’s a machine that can unceasingly crank out music. Jin-hyuk replies by calling him a very efficient machine.

Han-gyul finally breaks and tells him that he’s bound up with Jin-hyuk in every aspect of his life, and he can’t take it anymore. Jin-hyuk tells him that even if he breaks his contract with him, he knows Han-gyul will be back… because of music. “What you value the most is music. You’ll only meet people through music. You’ll love and hurt people only through music.”

Tears slide down his face as Han-gyul puts down the phone. He collapses in his chair as his life and relationships lie in shambles around him. On the other end, Jin-hyuk sends Han-gyul’s song to Yoo-na.

So-rim, Gyu-sun, and Jin-woo put their headphones on to listen to the song selected for their debut. As Chan-young’s song starts playing, the boys exclaim in excitement, but So-rim’s face falls. Ah, she’s already heard Han-gyul’s song. Jin-hyuk notices her reaction and smiles.

Soo-yeon asks him why he excluded K’s song, and Jin-hyuk says that singing Chan-young’s song will benefit the band in the long run. He explains that So-rim will eventually become a songwriter, and right now she needs a song she can trample on. He expects her to want to rework the song to improve it, whereas with Han-gyul’s song, she’ll just want to protect it. Wow. That’s cold, but brilliant.

So-rim calls Han-gyul to ask if his song had been taken out of the selection process. Han-gyul goes along with it (even though he doesn’t know if that is true). He asks to meet her and prepares a flash drive. About to copy the final version of “Waiting for you,” he copies the first draft into the drive with a sad smile.

Se-jung calls Jin-woo’s number to tell Gyu-sun that she carried off his phone by mistake. She promises to return it the next day. In the meantime, she sits in a cyber cafe looking through Gyu-sun’s chats with So-rim and Jin-woo.

On her way out of Sole Music, So-rim meets Yoo-na in the hallway. She greets So-rim and draws her into a conversation about her debut. She smoothly mentions that Han-gyul will be producing her comeback album and asks if she wants to hear the song she’ll be singing. From the very first riffs, So-rim knows it’s the one he wrote for her.

She excuses herself and goes to the washroom. With the song playing in her head, she washes her face repeatedly and asks why it had to be that song.

She clears away the traces of her tears before meeting Han-gyul by the river. He still sees that she had been upset and guesses that he’s the reason. So-rim asks why he had to give Yoo-na the song he wrote for her. Han-gyul clearly doesn’t know about this, but instead of being honest, he asks her if she dislikes the idea of Yoo-na singing her song.

She admits that she does, and Han-gyul presses her to sing it herself. He says that it doesn’t have to be her debut song, but she just has to promise to sing it. Miserable, So-rim explains again that she’s bound by her promise to Chan-young, but Han-young’s face hardens.

He asks her if she had to choose between never seeing him again and keeping her promise to Chan-young, would she forget about the promise and choose him? (Oh, you jackass!)

So-rim tears up, unable to answer. Han-gyul takes a deep breath and says that this is why he doesn’t like dating girls who sing. He hands her the flash drive, saying that he’d meant to turn over a new leaf with this, but he ended up hurting her anyway. Then he walks away, leaving So-rim standing alone.

But a little distance away, Han-gyul slows to a stop. He wrestles with his conflicting feelings, then turns and runs back to So-rim.

In a haze of pain, So-rim walks down the road, where Chan-young finds her. He observes that she looks sad, but she denies it. Then, looking into his sympathetic face, she slowly starts to crumple. Gently, Chan-young pulls her into his arms as she sobs her heart out.

Han-gyul comes running down the path and stops at the sight of them. Jin-hyuk’s words rings in his ears: “You’ll always love and hurt people through music… all your life.”

 
COMMENTS

That was brutal. With the sweetness of Han-gyul and So-rim’s courtship these past weeks, I’d begun to think that their world was less ruthless than I’d suspected. Han-gyul’s demeanor is usually so passive and guileless that I had forgotten how easily he’d torn his friends down when they’d questioned his decision about their music.

As Chan-young pointed out, much of Crude Play’s current misery can be traced back to Jin-hyuk’s initial decision to use professional musicians to record their songs instead of letting the band grow into their strengths. While he blamed it on Han-gyul’s need to get his music out in its most perfect form, I think most of the responsibility lies with Jin-hyuk, who was older and nurtured Han-gyul’s habit of putting his music before his friends. He could have fostered Crude Play’s bonds and ensured that they came out stronger together, but instead, he chose the path of quick success. I’m sure, as the owner of a brand new label, Jin-hyuk had been in a hurry to establish his company’s credentials in the industry — but as a mentor to five teenaged boys, he failed them spectacularly.

That flashback into Crude Play’s early days showed Han-gyul’s frustration with his friends’ playfulness during their practice session. It was telling that even as a young boy, he wanted his music played perfectly, while his friends dreamed of fame and stardom. Ironically, they got exactly what they wanted; however, none of the boys had imagined that they would have to sell their integrity to achieve their dreams. And maybe, Han-gyul had comfortably believed that his friends were happy with the renown they had claimed they wanted, freed from the pressures of playing at the level Han-gyul demanded from them. But they were ultimately living a lie, and not everyone is as comfortable with that as Han-gyul.

Jin-hyuk’s reasons for choosing Chan-young’s song for Mush & Co. is ruthless, but understandable. With her penchant for writing lyrics and ear for music, it’s unsurprising that he sees a budding songwriter in So-rim. So it makes sense that he would want her to start developing her composing skills. And it’ll be interesting to see how Chan-young reacts to So-rim suggesting changes to his song. She has shown backbone whenever her beliefs were tested, but will she be able to hurt his pride by criticizing his music? Contrary to what Chan-young believes, So-rim didn’t choose him over Han-gyul, she simply chose to keep her promise, even at the cost of losing a song that could start her career with a bang. It’s sad that neither of the boys can see the simple truth of this.

I don’t know how I feel about Han-gyul’s dad. They are adorable together, but In-woo has clearly left deep scars in his son’s psyche. Even I thought it was rich of him to preach about Han-gyul using his friends for his music when he had left his son to be brought up by his grandmother as a boy. No matter how crinkly his smile is, I’m not feeling too generous towards a man who up and leaves the moment his son lets his hurt and resentment show.

Then again, abandonment issues don’t excuse Han-gyul’s treatment of So-rim here. He behaved like a spoiled child who was unused to being denied what he wanted. It was infuriating to see him take So-rim’s honest jealousy over his song and use it to manipulate her that way. Somehow, he has internalized So-rim’s rejection of his song as a rejection of him. Music is so much a part of his identity that he can’t think clearly outside its framework. Ultimately, this is what makes him the eponymous “Liar” of the show. When it comes to his music, he will say anything, hurt anyone, to get what he wants.

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Yes! Thank you for the recap. I was waiting for this.... it's so hard to contain spoilers when you forget what is in what episode. Now, we can talk about everything :)

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Also, is it me, or did Open Thread 495 disappear? Or did I imagine it yesterday?

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Haha, sadly, it seems it was sacrificed for the good of the site? I tried to comment earlier, but then couldn't load the page because the network would time out. I think it may have slowed everything down, for reasons someone more technologically-advanced than me would understand.

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My network times out when I go to certain pages as well. I don't know about open thread, but when I go to Liar & Lover recap for episode 7, sometimes, it gives me a timeout.

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Same here! I've been trying to access TLAHL recaps but kept getting timed out. Which is super frustrating especially when I can access Whisper's recap so easily. Ugh.

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I dont know why but after trying several million times only I could open this page too. Its showing check address again and again

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Happened to me too. It wouldn't let me get to this page. Once I managed, the comments count was so high. Sigh.

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At least think of it this way... the page was unavailable for what... 5-7 hours? Which means there could have been even more comments to comb through. Hee.

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"it's so hard to contain spoilers when you forget what is in what episode"

Haha exactly my problem
Plus when you already read the manga.. I am such a spoiler for my self when watching this

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I get the same problem too. I watch episode 7 and 8 the day they are aired, so when the recaps come, it's almost a week later and my memory is fuzzy. If you've read the manga, it must be even more confusing for you. Haha

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My dilemma too :( I've read all of the manga. So sometimes I forget some things aren't happened yet in the episode and I unconsciously spoil everything. It is so hard to keep it to myself when fellow beanies in here asking about future development.

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Exactly l! I was bursting to talk about this episode in the last recap. For all the heartbreak and cuteness, this was my favourite episode so far. Somehow, as much as i like a squeely Han Gyul, i like his mean badass and (jealous) version even more.

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Me too, there were a lot of arguments I wanted to make last episode, but couldn't because it involved character development from this one. And yes, it's my favorite episode too, if only because I love character-driven conflicts.

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I much prefer this Han Gyul - it is much more realistic. Music is a cut-throat business, and frankly you aren't going to be successful unless you are willing to put personal relationships aside and do what needs to be done to get the product out. I especially like Crude Play's backstory, because no one is to blame: band is good but can't play at the level of their talented songwriter, yet they need to be out there making money for the brand. In an ideal world perhaps Crude Play could have been cossetted into becoming a true band, and perhaps the songs could have been dumbed-down for them - but in that case there would be nothing of the high-caliber songs that are their history. I felt a bit sorry for Han Gyul in that everyone piles on him in this episode when the only thing they have going for them is that they are sincere about their greed and self-interest. Yay?

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C'mon Chanyoung, Sorim and Hangyul were so close to kissing that was a good moment you creep

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I really dislike how CY is purposelh forcing himself between HG and So Rim. Forcing So Rim to re affirm her promises to him and threatening HG to take So Rim away, and that HG will never make So Rim happy. Hello? Who died and made you judge and jury? And I honestly don't think CY has So Rim's best interests at heart. I think he just doesn't want to lose this chance to establish himself and So Rim seems like the easiest person to do it with since she trusts CY. In fact if anyone has been abusing So rim's feelings, it's CY too.

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I think it's natural that as someone who cares about So Rim's career, he would not want Han Gyul to be messing with her and her emotions, and want to look out for her well-being. He doesn't believe Han Gyul is good for So Rim. And at this point, he's right. Han Gyul has been making everyone around him unhappy. So Rim being unhappy cannot be good for her focus on her career either, which would harm both himself and So Rim. He feels protective over So Rim too, anyone would.

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Yes, but why does he care about So Rim's career? To me I feel it's more because CY needs So rim to prove to the world and himself that he is a better producer than HG. Can CY be certain HG is bad for So Rim and will hurt her? Looking at the flip side- Can CY be certain that he is good for So Rim and will never hurt her? I dislike it when characters talk in absolutes- there is no relationship that will always be puppies and rainbows. There is no one person who will never make a mistake and make others unhappy. CY painting himself as So Rim's knight in shining armour and putting down HG isn't right to me. HG has never denied the fact that he can and has hurt So Rim. But HG likes/loves her and his intentions are good, even if he does mess up a lot. At least he is being real to himself about that and HG was darn right in telling CY off that it was So Rim's choice and not CY's to make. It's not that I don't sympathize with CY, it's just that I do question his motives behind his actions.

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thanks for the recap!!

side note: I'm addicted to the Crudeplay OST someone save me please

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No need for saving.... Stan crude play.

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That moment when you want to stan a fake band... Props to the show.

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What do you mean fake band.... They're totally real. *blocks ears* I can't hear anything. They're totally real. Hahaha.

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pat pat. yes, they real. Haven't you heard, they even released two songs Peter Pan and It's Okay in real life. they're real. #indenial

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They're real. They even had a photoshoot together for High Cut Magazine. ;D

http://m.post.naver.com/viewer/postView.nhn?volumeNo=7180809&memberNo=29770009

I love the BTS pictures where all the boys hug together. If only they could be like that in the drama.

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Don't forget, CRUDE PLAY is going to have a V-Live all by themselves on Monday 17, 6PM Korean Time. And it's all 5 of them together again according to the icon of the video on this link http://www.vlive.tv/upcoming?d=20170417&i=2

It's like what they can't have in the drama and be together, they make up for it in real life. I don't know which I prefer. For them to be OT5 in real life, or in the drama.

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Haha. Yes, I'm looking forward to their vlive. Speaking of vlive, Jin Soo (Song Kang) had one yesterday, and he talked about how the shipping name for Jin Woo and So Rim needs to be JinRim. Haha. He self-named their ship.

The subbed episode is out, but the subs are off-timing. You might want to wait for a few hours or days for vlive to adjust the subs, or just simply download it and retime it yourself. He talks about Liar and Lover during most of his vlive, and what he does time-off. He's cute.

http://www.vlive.tv/video/27418/

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While we're sharing V-lives.... Yoona also had a V-live where she showed all the set of Sole Entertainment to us. And I'm amazed at how everything is real, from little props like CDs (they made real CDs for Yoona), to awards for Jinhyuk, from the recording studio to everything. It's so fascinating to see how pretty and well-designed the movie set is. I also became a fan of her, Hong Se Yeong, after watching the V-live. She's such a girl crush and so cute and different from her character. She also talked about Joy, and sang musical songs (she's a musical actress) when people requested her to sing. She's also tomboyish. All the clothes in the V-lives she wears are so cool. And she's so cute in her V-live I just watched it without needing the subs or anything.

http://www.vlive.tv/video/27130?channelCode=F9AB1

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@ guguman Aw... seeing Crude Play cuddling with each other is too cute.

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Crude Play boys just did V-live video & re-enacted the scene between HG and SR almost kissing <33333 http://www.vlive.tv/video/27570?channelCode=ECA251

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Lol. Good question. I know the boys have been taking lessons on their instruments, but I doubt they would have recorded themselves. I recognized Shihyun and Chanyoung's voices...

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I don't know but sihyun in real life is an idol.. So IMO that is sihyun's real voice, and for the instrumental maybe they also used professional musician to record that, just like the drama

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Yoon too was a former idol in the band Lunafly. So at least two of them can sing. Lee Seo Won has been learning the bass for real and playing the real chords for Crude Play songs during filming. As seen in BTS videos, he has music sheets with him to review. But yes, I don't think he's the one playing himself for the recording. He rapped in the song tho.

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Show still owes us one more Crude Play song. Their "Whoa~ I wanna talk to you" song that they played during their concert in Episode 1.

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i really want an MV that goes along with it (with just Crude Play OT5 scenes) they didn't make a MV for the other OSTs so they better

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I'm still bitter about them not making MVs for Peter Pan and I'm Okay. It's not even that hard when the MVs were already pre-filmed. Peter Pan's had the legendary Beatles zebra crossing, and I'm Okay's had the boys sitting and singing with vintage microphones. Heck, they could've just endlessly looped the "Vocal & Guitar YOO SI HYUN, Drum JI IN HO, Guitar LEE YOON, Bass SEO CHAN YOUNG" MV teaser and I would've been satisfied.

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Justice for Crude Play! They need an MV.

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The ost is daebak! And the background score as well. Did anyone else notice the music they played when HG and CY were exchanging barbs. The next scene where HG was on phone with Choi. I am simply addicted to it. And the ending of So Rim's performance when CY and HG were singing. Such fine music

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Man, you just gave me an excuse to go back and rewatch this episode once again before Monday arrives. lol.

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Oh man, this show. I find myself frustrated with many of the characters lately, so of all of them I find myself rooting for the Crude Play trio the most! Especially Shi-hyun!

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I like inho too.

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I think Sihyun is cute, HEH. I just want more scenes of him with Sooyeon, please! In fact, the Crude Play trio are just adorable, so I hope they get over this funk and move onwards.

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Yesssssssss more sooyeon shihyun scenes please!! Shihyun's glee over Sooyeon's phone call at the start of the ep killed me <3

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ship it~!

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I ship Shi-hyun and Soo-yeon too! Especially when I suffer such accute minor pairing syndrome. They are so cute together. According to shoujo manga formula, they can be main couple and have their own drama and the title will be like "Soo-yeon and The Four Knights" or "Crude Play Before Flowers". Almost paradiiiise~

Initially I used to ship their counterpart's manga characters. However, the manga failed to meet up my expectation. I can't believe there is a day when I choose adaptation over the original. But so far I'd say Soo-yeon has much more better characterization here. Within limited screentimes, Shi-Soo couple has great chemistry as well as complicated relationship.

Shi-hyun seems romatically attracted to Soo-yeon, whereas Soo-yeon is pretty chill toward him as she puts Han-gyul in higher priority. She is so against Crude Play uploading their vids because Han-gyul has no idea about it. However (as Han-gyul claimed) she is close enough to Shi-hyun that she can spite whatever she thinks and even comfortably use banmal with him and she doesn't do so with Han-gyul.

We can watch so much drama just in split seconds. They are so precious. I pray to dramagods to bless this pairing a happy ending.

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i feel that if OT5 Crude Play manages to understand each other, the chemistry will be AMAZING

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I request at the very least, the last 2 episodes with OT5 moments.!

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when the OT5 manage to make up and go on the stage together, I swear the feels will be like getting DBSK a reunion concert.

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I am at this point in this drama where EVERY character (maybe except Crude Play) gets on my nerves, but I can still understand their behaviour.

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RIGHT? I don't like it, but I *understand* where they come from! It's brilliant!

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It is so difficult. I think, I start to understand why people like makjang, you like the good guys, you hate the bad ones, and here I don't know what am I supposed to feel to those grey ones

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Okay so I am starting my "why I hate him/her list".

-Chan Young -I know you are a nice guy, but if you want to prove yourself do it by writing a better song than the one Hang Gyul wrote. Have we even seen him actually writing songs? All he does is getting mad at Han Gyul and showing So Rim what a layered person he is.

-So Rim -why is she even jealous? Han Gyul came first to So Rim and THEN went to Yoo Na, he is a songwriter, of course it would be a shame if one of his song is left unheard. And I don't like how much time she spends with Chan Young, I know she doesn't mean it in romantic way, but riding in other guys car, holding hands, going to empty spaces is still weird. If someone has rights to feel jealous it is Han Gyul.

- Yoo Na -this girl makes feel sorry for her and THAN she does something awfull. I don't even get why she showed Han Gyul's music to So Rim, she isn't even in love with Han Gyul.
BTW, I can't hate her (maybe dislike) for cheating as it isn't like Han Gyul ever cared for her(maybe for her voice).

-Han Gyul- You are a douchbag, you don't understand people around you and you can't listen. Is it that hard to understand that his girlfriend tries to make a right choice and his friends might ALSO like music/want to show their music to world?

And the only problem I have with Crude Play and everyone on this show is how they try to make Jin Hyuk a bad guy, it is his work to make them shine and what he told to Crude Play was true -it is not only about you, there are tons of people working behind you. He had the right to be mad, because it might have costed him and tons of people a job, it was an issue HE had to take responsibility for. He was mad for their thoughtless action.

But Han Gyul being mad was different, it was more about "how can you not be happy with all the attention you get with your little talent? What more do you need?" and it really must hurt, because he was their friend, the one who was there from the start, who heard their songs, who loves the music the most and the one who should be able to understand.

I hope next episode would be better and can our OTP not have any more fights? I like them a lot more when they are together and happy

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We've seen Chan young in the recording room several time and always getting involved, or studying So rim voice and writing a song for her. Plenty of stars start something but get lazy and just do the motions, he's clearly making an effort and working hard, just like he promised So Rim. Speaking of So Rim I don't see a problem with her hanging out and becoming friendly with Chan Young. It's important for her to establish a close relationship with him. People in the industry get close to each other even when they're not from the same company or careers. He's her producer, and has been supporting her since the start, and they've been confiding to each other too.

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But as So-rim's producer, he should be doing what's best for her. We've seen multiple times before that Chan-young wants her to be completely loyal to him, even when it's not best for her career. He shouldn't get brownie points for making an effort if it's clearly not benefitting Muse & Co, which should be the most important thing.

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Yes, but that's the thing... he no longer would be the producer if they're given HG's song. That would be HG who would take charge and produce them. And I believe he genuinely feels confident about his own song, so he doesn't see it as not benefitting Muse & Co.

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Agree. Plus CY was the one who wanted Mush and co to do that awful lip sync thing at the start. If not for HG rearranging the song, Mush and co would have been a laughing stock and never debuted.

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but micky, they could have been an even worse laughing stock if So Rim froze up and couldn't sing. This was an audition program after all. He had his reason for wanting them to lipsync. The performance turned out well, but could have turned equally horrible.

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@selma True what you said. But to me that speaks more of the fact that CY doesn't have faith in So rim, and that he is willing to take the easier/safer way out rather than push her to be the best that she can be. And that's not what I would want if I were So Rim. Contrast to HG who has always had 100% faith in So Rim delivering.

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Agree with most of what you said, except that I think we do see CY making an effort, but I just don't like his sneaky manipulations. And you're right, if anybody has the right to get annoyed, it should be HG, not SR. I find that she likes to do the whole teary eyed, sad that he doesn't like me as much as I like him thing, but I think it's a little overdone. Especially when she hangs around CY so much!

Also really agree that it's not Mr Choi's fault at all. He has a ton of responsibilities, employees who are dependent on him, etc. It was irresponsible of Crude Play to do what they did and while I understand how they feel, Mr Choi isn't necessarily a "villain" here. I think the thing with HG is that deep down he understands Mr Choi's motivations and reasons for his actions. HG is part of the industry after all, and he should know how it works. He just doesn't want to admit that and it makes him extra harsh on his friends. At the same time though, Crude Play should realize that they can't always bank on the "you're our friend you should understand us" mindset. At the end of the day, their music is commercialized. It's business, and business isn't "friendly".

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Yes. That's the whole problem with this, because mixing business with relationship always spell trouble. Ask anyone who is doing business with friends or family. Though I can't blame the Crude Play boys for being disappointed when the friendship they had with Han-gyul has turned into a cold business one.

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I'm still mad at Crude Play for uploading their videos and almost putting everyone out of a job, including Shi Hyun's Soo Yeon Sunbae. They clearly weren't looking at the big picture.

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Now that you say so...did you notice..how normalised Crude Play has been for us. I was simply seeing them as boys trying to make music and have some fun. We were so involved with their personal bonding. But yes this fiasco reminded me big time that these are big stars we are talking about..not some dreamy eyed novices. STill, live them to bits

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I want to start out by saying that Choi min soo is my ahjussi crush. He is so hot to me. That being said Han-gyul deserved every bit of the dribbling he received from everyone. He needed to hear it. What he said to So-Rim was so mean and unnecessary and I hope she doesn't talk to him for most of next episode. She deserves better and I'm so happy she is keeping her promise, because it shows her character.

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I want to add my favorite ship on this show is Shi-Hyun and Soo-Yeon, I am all in. haha

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Agreed! Those two were unexpectedly cute in their blip of a scene. Can we have more of them?

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I said a prayer and an Amen.

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I've been onto this pairing since her first little hint of a crush on him! I'm loving how they're progressing. He's so cute, always looking for her and teasing her. I replayed him answering her phone call like a million times, which means they definitely need more scenes!

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HAha, I like your reasoning. They have more chemistry than some OTP's I've seen.

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How can we not love the scene? The super handsome man (adult) acting like ordinary (high school) boy in love. Ohhh my heartteu ....

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I'm happy that I'm not the only one who finds Choi Min-soo attractive in this! His smile is just so cute.

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I'm so used to seeing him scruffy that he looks so much more attractive when he cleans up a bit and shaves/

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I have loved him since he rocked his satoori in Pride & Prejudice, bad hair and all.

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I really really like him. I'm surprised that he was so handsome. Had image of him from running man as the "hunter" And his acting, isn't it deep? Didn't look like he was acting at all, very natural.

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Choi Minsu is a really good singer also. Check out him and Sandeul singing on Immortal Song at 1:04:00, one of my favorite performances on the show. If you have time, watch the whole thing, it's so funny how everyone's scared of Choi Minsu.
https://youtu.be/lHZcK8uAu_g?t=1h4m4s

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Also watch his episode on I can see your voice 3. It was one of the greatest episode, and he was a great guest.

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Link here for subbed episode of Choi Min Soo. The one who subbed this subbed season 2 and 3. Season 1 was subbed by Teuk Angel, and Season 4 is being subbed.

https://ohmygeona.blogspot.com/2016/07/eng-sub-i-can-see-your-voice-season-3_12.html

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I love that show. I never guess right. :3

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This is supposed to be the reason why mush refused hangyul. It is because of him, not chan-young. Because she knows she would hurt him through music. That's why she stubbornly refuse his song. It is to protect him.

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Yes. The reason he hates girls who sing, is because he all ends up hurting them, but he gets hurt too in the process. He needs to stop.

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And at the end of the day, when mush & co. finally released their first single, han-gyul then would asks which song she likes better. The one he wrote or chan-young's. And she would answer without a doubt the she likes chan-young's better. Not because it is chan-young's but because it is her song! So of course she would adore her song more. Chan-young's private desire would have nothing to do with her decision. She doesn't want to let him involve in her music metamorphosis, because she doesn't want them to end up hurting each other because of music. Like what had happened now. Well, that is supposedly.

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This is her career path, which she started independently from Hangyul and with Chan-young from the beginning. Han-gyul just came in between in the middle and wanted her to sing his song. I understand why she wanted to stick to her initial plan with Chan-young. He can't blame her for that.

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I thought it was obvious that she liked Han-gyul's song more? Like when it was revealed that Chan-young's song was chosen, So-rim was disappointed because she knows Han-gyul's song was better.

That's an interest reason as to why she didn't choose Han-gyul's song, I didn't think about it like that. The most obvious reason is because of the promise, but as you said, it's also deeper than that.

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I think it's only human of her to be a little disappointed no matter how much she wants to keep the promise. It was obvious when she listened to his song that she was touched. I wonder what the lyrics are?

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Well, I'm just retelling what was "supposed" to happen base on the original story. Of course So-rim can't get han-gyul's song out of her head. She is madly in love with crude play K's songs afterall. In fact, she kept refusing to listen to his song because she knows she wouldn't be able to resist the desire to sing it if she ever listen to it. But if she does sing his song, she would break her promise to protect him from music. So she always refuses him. But in the other hand, chan-young's song is her song. Her own pride. The thing she can put her name on it. No matter how much she loves K's song, it is not hers if she refuse to own it, that's why she would always put her song over han-gyul's anytime. And grab chan-young's hand in music instead of his. Han-gyul could be sulking, but he could never win over her in this. She is that firmed. Well, again, it is just the reasoning of the original story. Like, 'actually this is what supposed to be the reason why things turn the way they are'. Because for me, this background is a lot easier to digest.

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@lunticandra I does help digest it better. Maybe Sorim will explain to Hangyul later on. Hopefully.

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Excuse me, but what makes HG so different from CY after all? He misled her into thinking he gave that song to Yuna even though he didn't. Just to get her insecure enough to accept his song. From the get-go, all he wanted, was to use her to sing his song. CY is right, he is using her feelings for him.

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I think it's been shown throughout the episodes that HG does genuinely care about So-rim (giving the arrangement credit to CY, for example). I think like festerfaster said, he took her rejection of his song as rejection of him and he was hurt, so he lashed out and said things that he shouldn't have. And while I don't condone his actions at all (I was absolutely furious when he said he wouldn't see her again) he ended up going back to apologize, which makes me think this was an emotional one-time thing.

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Plus, he has been frustrated from all sides all day long. Everyone has been abandoning him. His father left the house, his band members don't want him, Jinhyuk is manipulating him, and Sorim rejecting him was the last straw that broke him.

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I think it's only now that HG is learning the ropes of being in a relationship that's not tinted with business and money. This blossoming relationships with So Rim is innocent. HG always slow in the uptake like complimenting and treating So Rim nicely .. And because he's so slow CH always fills in like how he was there to comfort So Rim only after HG realized the effects of his words.

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It makes for good comic effect at times. Both Jin-woo and Han-gyul having problems telling So-rim she's pretty, but Chan-young having no qualms saying it gives them jealous faces, which is so funny.

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I know! It's like HG's reactions is a mix of annoyance at himself and at CY

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But stull comes back to the question of what's his difference to Chanyoung then, because as far as i can see, Chanyoung genuinely cares for Soorim as well (like when he gave in to HanGyeol's rearrangement of the song so Soorim can perform live in that competition). Chanyoung also apologized when he realized how hurt Soorim was when he revealed HanGyeol was K. I am also not condoning Chanyoung's actions, in any way, but still what is HanGyeol's difference?

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Not much in my view. I find it interesting how little middle ground there is among the comments. It's either this one, or the other. I say, they're both flawed for Sorim, but both with individual strengths that the other doesn't have when dealing with Sorim. The difference in choice will be of course, that Sorim likes one, and not the other.

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His overall intent is different. HG wrote the song with his emotions for So rim who he is falling in love with. So the fact that she doesn't want to hear it hurts him a lot. You can say that CY also wrote a song for So Rim, but I'd say his intent is more to prove himself as a song writer/producer, and write a good song for her, rather than express his feelings towards So Rim. Also, i deeply dislike how CY has been goading HG repeatedly and insisting that he is better for So Rim compared to CY. Especially when he Knows that So rim likes HG and that he likes her back.

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I might have interpreted this wrong... but when Chan-young was talking about how Han-gyul is bad for So-rim, he was not talking about it musically, but relationship-wise. So he didn't compare himself with Han-gyul on that regard, or said he was better as a romantic partner for So-rim, as there is no romance between him and So-rim. I interpreted it that he said Han-gyul involving himself with So-rim's life is worse because there is emotional complication involved. She's young, and Chan-young feels like Han-gyul is leading her on with his ambiguous involvement. Chan-young is free of that involvement, by virtue that So-rim isn't in love with him.

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He is not using her. He is obsessed with her voice, and she became a major source of inspiration for his songs. He just thinks of her and the music is flooding his mind, probably enhanced by the fact that he is starting to fall for her. He is now only writing for her, wishing to hear the songs written by him sang in her voice. I think the song's succes, the response of the public, the money it could generate him, the influence of this on his producer career hardly registrates in his mind at the moment. He is a music obsessed freak. This is different from CY, who has other priorities.

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She's not jealous that he wrote Yoona a song, it's the fact that he (supposedly) gave the song he wrote for Sorim to Yoona that hurt her.

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She would still feel hurt that the song he wrote for her is given to someone else. And yes, the fact that it's given to his ex-girlfriend hurts more. That's a given.

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I want to say, it is han-gyul 'I don't want to lie to her anymore' logic that makes him do so. But that's sadly not the reason. He did it just to corner her to be the ally of his music. Which is totally uncool.

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That was a moment of weak character from him. I don't mean weak characterization (it makes him more complex and human). If we think about it, So rim has the strongest character, she sticks by what she believes in.

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I think Soorim was hurt because it IS her song. In my perspective, I understand why she's hurt, it was written for her, like a love letter, it's absurd to have other people read your love letter. Also, is no one gonna question Yoona here? That was jerk move on her side, I get that she's insecure but she's older, where has her reason and maturity gone to, it's not Soorim's fault people are drawn to her. And Soorim can touch Chanyoung because there are no romantic feelings involved, on Soorim's side. Meanwhile, Yoona was HanGyeol's ex, if there's an episode where HanGyeol promises Yoona things and Soorim sees, I can also understand why she'd be upset. Let's be real, if I see my boyfriend in a vicinity with his ex, I'd be paranoid as well, especially if she's 'more glamorous and prettier than me', which is how Soorim sees Yoona.

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Oh boy did Hangyul have an open-mouth-insert-foot spree this episode. I understand where he comes from, but now he has double the everything to make up for!
I also felt pretty bad for literally everybody HG crapped on this episode, but no one more than Sorim, who was nothing but an innocent bystander.
I still love this show for being so realistic though! <3 Welldone.

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Yes, I like that this show doesn't run away from deep-seated problems and confront them right on. They use all the potential problems possible and develop them into real conflicts that will take time and maturing to solve. But it's also why I'm afraid for Mush & Co. Because there were hints too, that their rushed debut could be a problem, and that the friendship they have might not survive the other two resentment of being compared to Sorim. From what I know of this show, if there is a potential problem, it means future conflict. I'm scared.

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It just makes me anxious to see how HG makes up for his actions. Last time it was the re-arrangement of the song for the live broadcast saving our young band which was the highlight moment of the show. What will he have to do now?

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A super romantic event with flowers in the middle of a public space (one can hope....)

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Yes, I hope it's something super cheesy as well. But I also want it to mean something, too!

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I trust the writer will come up with something... ;)

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That's the beauty of dramaland. Especially korean rom-coms. Happy endings!

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On Father:
- He can't just waltz into his son's life and then leave it, and waltz back whenever he wants. I get that he's afraid of Hangyul for some reasons yet to be revealed but still...

On Hangyul: he's so focused on the fact that Sorim needs to sing his song that he's not playing fair. Seeing her cry in Chanyoung's arm better be the catalyst for him to wake up and see that his obsession with music is ruining everything.

On Sorim: poor little innocent lamb, getting involved into a war full of wolves.

Crude Play: I'm totally rooting for them to get out of their lie, but they've been playing along with it for so long. They can't have the cake and eat it too. Either they get honest with their skills, and get all the criticism that goes with it, or fake it and get the praise and fame. They can't have both fame and bad skills.

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I think that I sympathize a lot with SR (stuck in a game played by wolves), but at the same time I think she's a little... naive. It's a very romantic idea, having a song written for you and all that, but it's also unrealistic to think that a songwriter will stay pining for you to sing his song, and leave the song unreleased. Does that make sense? Obviously the whole "I wrote a song for you", and "I'll sing your song" is something that is emotionally significant, but honestly after she turned down his song, I don't really see anything wrong with it going to Yuna. Though I'll say that HG was a bit of a jerk with threatening not to see her again if she didn't sing his song. Agree with Crude Play! They can't expect 0 sacrifices to be stars.

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It's not wrong, but it's only natural that she gets hurt regardless. He said he would write a song for her, then she said she can't sing it for 3 years, not for ever, and then, he makes her think he gave it to Yoona. He said he would root for her and support her musically when he first met her, so I agree that she's a bit naive, but he has done said romantic stuff enough for her to have cause to interpret it emotionally.

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That's true! (Though ah, 3 years is a very long time...). I do think HG was a bit of a jerk to make her think that he'd given it to YN. Sort of like an emotional manipulation because he knew how much she liked him. Honestly though it's because of how simplistic and innocent she is that the others get to manipulate her around like this, which is why I do feel bad for her. Sigh.

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Well, there is a reason why Jin Woo and Gyu Sun said they could never leave So Rim alone to navigate the world. LOL.

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honestly a lot of problems could've been avoided if she told him that she'll sing his song but NOT YET. HG mentioned that it doesn't have to be her debut song, he just wants her to sing his song. Why couldn't she say yes but NOT YET? I was really frustrated at SR on this tbh

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I think SHE DID mention it. She said she could not sing his song for 3 YEARS. That's a definite time.

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I think Lee Hyun Woo should go military and come back with a new image or he's gonna stuck high school roles - ish for a while

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Well he's still pretty young, so I don't think it's bad if he takes advantage of the young roles offered to him. As he ages, he'll mature more and be given more mature roles... probably.

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i'd love him to play high schoolish roles for another 3 years while he can. haha.

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True! Career-wise, it might mean he's going to be around for quite a while, doing younger roles and all that. Then he can move on to more adult-ish roles where he won't look out of place because of his puppy looks.

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I like what this show is doing with So-Rim. She feels like a beloved younger cousin where you see glimpses of the awesome adult she can become--good for her for feeling confident in how pretty she looked and felt in her dress and makeup and making sure that Han Kyul saw it.

Unlike the other characters (CY, HG)where we understand but may not like why they do certain things, I do wonder if we don't have Director Choi's backstory because his moral compass has been lost. Even when he does something that seems supportive in one act, it's too easy for him to make a backroom deal in the next breath. I think he serves as a warning to Han Gyul of what his future could be--professionally successful but absent of friendship and love. (I really ached for HG in this episode; his focus towards music can be so singular that he can be a real jackass but he knows when he hurts those around him, and it hurts more because those moments both underscore some hard truths and feed into the negative ways he views himself.)

Interestingly (and this was brought up by @Satinder in the Ep 7 comments) I thought CEO Yoo was the typical villain but that oversimplifies the character. She can be as cunning and ruthless as Director Choi but I sensed a tension at how people like her dad underestimate her. We have watched her efficiently tamp down scandals, and I wonder if an internalized bias (my own, not accusing anyone) at wanting to see women as nurturing types helps frame her as the obvious villain. She's extremely qualified for her job, she knows the goings on in the company and cares about its success; it's not in the job description to give out hugs. In fact, I'd take a cold stare from her as more honest than a hug from Director Choi.

And does anyone else feel this way, but the immature child in me snorted after hearing so much "Take my song!" "No, take my song!" "I don't want any other woman to sing my song ever!" Like damn, can't a girl graduate high school first before she's supposed to sing one guy's song forever?

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"Like damn, can't a girl graduate high school first before she's supposed to sing one guy's song forever?" LOL. True.

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Finally, people are on board with me about how bad this show is. I've only been following the recaps because I have been boycotting this show from the start and not watching it. I believe in putting my money where my mouth is. I hate it that they casted Joy just because she's an sm idol, so if I don't want them to cast idols, I better not watch it. Even on still images, it's obvious her acting is unnatural.
I'm glad to see people are finally waking up and disliking this too.

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I wonder if it's Joy fans commenting in the other recaps, and now that things are going bad in this drama, real non-Joy fans are finally commenting about things are bad? Things would make sense if this is the case.

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I, for one, am not on board with you. I really like Joy's acting and voice. It is just that this is the mid-point of the drama where it needs to get all angsty and stuff. So viewers are responding to where the story is going which is to be expected.

But you are completely entitled to your opinions.

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I agree. @Yukiniwan is misunderstanding people's response on here. We're not dissatisfied at the drama. It's a credit to the drama that it can create characters complex enough you get frustrated with them but want to root for them to make up.

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I am just curious about one thing, how are you supposed to mention and tag name?

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just put the @ sign in front of the name....

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Well, it certainly looks to me as if a lot of people are unhappy watching this.

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Look at comment 26 for example. It confirms my opinion that this drama is badly written.

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There's only one way I confirm if a drama is badly written or not. I watch and judge for myself. Simple as that.

I didn't think this drama would be all that great and I questioned Joy's casting, but then I marathoned all 8 episodes and found it surprisingly engaging and satisfying. Frustrating at times, yes. But in the best way.

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I for one havent seen this much of cute, innocent and beautiful new actress who can win over viewers hearts in ages after kim soo hyun, yoojung. It almost means last 5 years or so. But this is my opinion.

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I beg to differ. One can judge without watching.

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Why would you hate Joy's casting when you haven't even watched her act?

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