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Dramabeans Podcast #38

It took us a while, but we’re finally closing in on our backlog and very nearly current! The pressure to catch up was mostly self-imposed, but it’s a relief to be back on track. We’re a bit looser in this podcast with regards to format, so there are a few tangents and side conversations that take us on a few detours, but hopefully that’s not a bad thing.

 
Podcast #38

Running time: 1:18:12

Topics and dramas discussed:

  • Introverted Boss: The writing, the rewrite, the characters, and where we felt things went wrong
  • Defendant, Whisper (12:22): We start off talking about Defendant and its excitement; get derailed on a Whisper tangent, talking about what worked and what felt like a disappointment in the writing, as well as the sunk time fallacy; and return to Defendant, acting commitment, and the effective villains
  • Tomorrow With You (22:54): We discuss the time travel mechanism, sense of urgency, and romantic chemistry between the leads; derail the conversation for a while talking about other actors and their chemistries, and Joo-won as a romantic actor and partner; then finally make our way back to Tomorrow With You and its ending
  • Strong Woman Do Bong-soon (37:55): What we loved about the drama, its characters, and its cast; the aggressively lowbrow comedic sensibility and the expectations versus the reality of the show
  • Father, I’ll Take Care of You; You’re Too Much; Father Is Strange (50:35): Touching on a few of the recent weekend family dramas, what weekend dramas are good at, what sets them apart from each other, mostly talking about the plot and characters of Father Is Strange
  • The Liar and His Lover (1:01:40): The youthful vibe, heartwarming coming-of-age story, what we liked about the characters and their individual struggles, the interfering second leads, the use of music

 
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Names mentioned:
Seo Hyun-jin, Park Hye-soo, Nam Ji-hyun, Yeon Woo-jin, Yoon Park, Han Chae-ah, Ji Sung, Lee Bo-young, Park Kyung-soo, Lee Sang-yoon, Lee Jun-ki, Eom Ki-joon, Shin Sung-rok, Kim Kang-woo, Yeon Jung-hoon, Kim Gab-soo, Park Se-young, Kwon Yul, Sohn Hyun-joo, Lee Je-hoon, Kim Myung-min, Joo-won, Ahn Jae-hyun, Gu Hye-sun, Choi Kang-hee, Shim Eun-kyung, Jin Se-yeon, Kim Tae-hee, Shin Min-ah, Yoon Sang-hyun, Park Bo-young, Park Hyung-shik, Ji-soo, Park Eun-bin, Lee Joon, Lee Yuri, Lee Tae-hwan, Uhm Jung-hwa, Gu Hye-sun, Jang Hee-jin, Lee Jung-jin, Jung Eui-chul, Lee Hyun-woo, Choi Min-soo

 
Songs Used in Podcast (In order of use)

“사랑인 걸까” (Is this love?) by Hong Dae-kwang from the Introverted Boss OST
“끝까지” (Till the end) by San E from the Defendant OST
“내일 그대와” (Tomorrow with you) by Kim Feel from the Tomorrow With You OST
“Super Power Girl” by Every Single Day from the Strong Woman Do Bong-soon OST
“Like a Star” by KLANG from the Father, I’ll Take Care of You OST
“여우야” (Hey fox) by Joy from the The Liar and His Lover OST
“Double Trouble Couple” by Mamamoo from the Strong Woman Do Bong-soon OST

 
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What a wonderful gift on this Memorial Day weekend! Thank you Javabeans and Girlfriday. I absolutely love your podcasts -especially when soju and makgeolli is involved.

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Aww.. this is my first time listening to your podcast :) How wonderful. The first song is nice. Now I'm returning to your podcast again. Good night in advance from the Asian part of the world.

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Ohno. A reminder to the dramas I have yet to finish or decided not to because I don't wanna say goodbye T_T But thank you for this JB and GF!

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Awesome!!!! This is great.

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lol. I'm listening to Liar segment right now and GF and JB taking sides on CY is like the exact replica of the debates in the recaps about him.

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I agreed about everything except one thing. I loved the Mush & Co boys, and though I agree Jinwoo's acting could be green at times (Gyusun was fine imo), the scene where he got emotional was done with good restraint and convincing to me. it's honestly one of my favorite scenes in the drama. I totally believed his heartbreak.

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And yes, I agree that you weren't meant to love Yoona, but I liked her and her role in the drama. She was there to show the insecurity of stars getting a slump in their career, and I liked her bold-speaking ways. She was pettish but also had the confidence and insecurity befitting a starlet.

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I don't think Yoona was an "interfering second lead." At least, not the typical way. She was hurt by Hangyul, yes, and then she dumped him and no longer loved him. So she's not the typical clingy 2nd lead that wants to get back with him. What she wanted out of him, was music. Her presence in Hangyul's professional life was then used as a source of insecurity for Sorim. It was a logical way for Hangyul and Sorim's budding relationship to be tested, and eventually strengthened by making them overcome Sorim's insecurity through increasing developing trust. As their relationship became more secure, Sorim's insecurity and inferiority complex lessened. On Yoona's side, because she didn't like how their relationship was a reminder of how she failed with Hangyul, it was something she felt irritated about enough that she dropped some slightly catty remarks here and there. I didn't like her for it, but thought it was very human of her. She needed that closure to make peace with it... the feelings were gone, but the hurt pride was still there... and I think she got that closure when she asked Hangyul what went wrong between them, and he answered her. Most of the time, she didn't say anything wrong, eg. whether about collaborating with Hangyul, or about Hangyul's song having an expiration date for commercialization, or when she offered her help. I believe those gestures to be sincere and done despite her dislike, not with a double agenda like so many were speculating.

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I was shocked at @javabeans being shocked at @girlfriday having a problem with Chan Young. Every episode, people increasingly didn't like him (with reason) in the recaps. Chan Young was certainly polarizing.

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@panshel I thought you did like him?

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I LOVED him, so I'm with @javabeans on that, but at the same time, I expected some people to not like him because he was controversial. I don't condone all of Chan Young's actions, but I felt for him immensely, so I understood him.

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@panshel Yeah, I remember you and Jason (?) were like the two Chan young champions, always writing about why we should sympathize with him.
I too think he had a lot of to feel bad about.

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Yes, but in the end, I loved how Mush & Co clearly adored him, and there was a little jealousy on Crude Play side too. The hyungs weren't happy their maknae was dividing his time and attention elsewhere. Everyone lowkey loves Chanyoung.

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Another favorite Chanyoung moment was his walk with Hangyul right behind Mush & Co where they had a friendly talk about producing and smiled at each other. Sorim caught it on camera, and I wished they had released the picture.

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Confession time, this is the first podcast I'm listening to, but you two have such lovely voices :) So I'm gonna grab a drink really quick and pretend (in a non creepy way?) that I'm part of this conversation :D

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Isn't that what most podcast routines should be like? :)

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Yayy! Excited to listen to this.

Wondering if you guys cover all dramas recapped in podcasts, and if so, whether Hwarang will be covered? Thanks!

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Hwarang's been covered already, you'll find it here :
http://www.dramabeans.com/2017/03/dramabeans-podcast-35/

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Ahh I see, my bad. Thanks!

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That post header, that podcast and that song. Jump in happiness (و ˃̵ᴗ˂̵)و and run back to my sanctuary @ ?the party? ?.

Thanks javabeans and girlfriday! ??

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See you at the party then. I haven't been there for a long time, but I'm going there now. Writing about Liar & Lover has me falling back into it all over again ^___^"""

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Listening to the SWDBS segment right now (since it's the only one I've watched lol) and I'm really loving your podcasts! The last time I've listened to one was two months ago, the one with 1% of Anything.

Off topic but it's REALLY bothering me: does anyone know the drama that has a character (mom) who loves to segregate the bottle caps from the community's trash can? And there was also the girl who did those and the mother was really impressed?

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You could possibly be referring to Kim Soo-Hyun's mother and IU's character Cindy in "The Producers"

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Ahhh yes I remember now!

Oh my gosh, thank you so much. It's been bothering me for quite some time now, lol. I was just reading some random post about different types of K-drama mothers and she kind of popped into my mind.

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What post is that? I am intrigued :)
Thanks in advance!

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I don't know if you know about this site called mydramalist but it's actually just a small article (i say small because the writer only included 5 types of moms) there lol

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Love all the good things Javabeans and Girlfriday had to say about The Liar and His Lover. It was a good drama to watch with my husband, he loved the music in it. I couldn't make him watch Strong Woman Do Bong Soo for all the reasons you talked about. I enjoyed the couples' chemistry a lot and didn't mind the extraneous other parts, but he couldn't stand it. If I have to make him watch a romance, it has to be less-romance focused like Liar and contain good parts that are not about romance, unfortunately.

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Yesssss I was just hoping another podcast would come and voila! The genie answered my wish lol off to listen to them now ??

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The first thing I checked was the timing, and looks like Liar has the longest segment. Heh. Nice treat. I'm anticipating it.

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love the tangents during TWY discussion :)

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YAY!! was waiting for this, thank you!

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Will you two be recapping a drama again soon? I miss it.

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Me too. I thought Javabeans would recap Ruler but it was just a one-time thing. I get that they're the big bosses but their writing is too good to be put into the corner.

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Same. Even when they were criticizing shows I liked, I still read their recaps because they had a way with words I enjoyed tremendously. Like it has been said, it'd be a waste if we couldn't read more of their words.

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SAMEEEE! I wonder about this everyday. Lol

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girfriday just recapped the first episode of 7-days Queen. I haven't read it yet because I need to watch the episode first, but I'm so excited to see her name on the recap!! She's one my favorite <3

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*girlfriday

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On SWDBS " I love that show and for me it was just awww."

Me too, Girlfriday & Javabeans, me too.

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Downloaded it! Jumped right to the part where you guys talked about tomorrow with you. I know it had a lot of flaws, but I really liked the romance part of the story. It just felt different to me from the usual kdrama chirpy, bright, innocent romance (which I totally enjoy as well). I still remember lots of scenes from the drama vividly. Like when ma rin will tell so joon In the hospital that she doesn't feel like she could share it with him whenever things get tough for her and then he would go to the future to bring whatever she wants but they would only make up after he tells her about his past (which is what she wanted all along). Then when she would tell him that the person right in front of him is her and that future ma rin (when she tells him to go back and break up with her) is another woman and will set her mother on him telling he cheated, lol. I felt like we finally got a heroine who took her happiness Into her own hands (but then she'll end up being a noble idiot too, so *face palm*). Then when so joon will start being a noble idiot, she will leave and go to her friend's house, they will talk about something and she will cry saying that he ate her food without complaining. I bought their romance. I feel like I could tell a lot of scenes like this. I guess the things I liked about this drama outweighed the things I didn't like (like you guys mentioned, the mystery surrounding the time travel wasn't written well and I totally didn't get why ma rin's dad had to die or the part where so joon will go to coma) and I will always remember it fondly. Anyway, thank you for the podcast!

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It's true that Tomorrow With You had its fair share of flaws, but I enjoyed it nonetheless.

I just really enjoyed the romance, Ma Rin and So-joon were really cute together and I do think their had chemistry. Despite their unrealistic situation, their relationship felt real in a way that most k-drama romances don't. And I loved seeing Lee Je-hoon in a relationship, but with absolutely no clue on what to do. But I have to agree with GF and JB that the romance was mostly carried by Shin Mina. I really like Lee Je-hoon as an actor, but he's not as convincing in romance.

The greatest let-down of all was, that the time-traveling aspect was underutilized. Having time as the villain was a premise with lots of potential, but not much was done with it.

I'm more critical of this show than I was while watching it...but I still like it, despite its flaws. I liked that it had a low-key tone, and the director gave it an introspective quality which I also really liked. I remember people gushing over his use of continual shots, which gave us quiet and warm moments that were really comforting and visually-pleasing.

I think for the most part, this drama was character-driven. The plot just left many unanswered questions.

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I also like the show and the romance to an extent, but failed to see the introspective quality. There wasn't much meaningful introspection done by the characters, so the introspective directing wasn't enough.

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I agree. I recognized its flaws about how it failed to the maximize the time-travel aspect but it's one of those rare Kdramas when the romance isn't cheesy or over the top. It felt real. No grand gestures. No big moments. Just two married people working out their problems.

The continual shots were also my favorites. I love how it made us savor every bit of emotion, acting, and dialogue. It was like being in the moment with the actors. It was just satisfying every time the director used it.

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Many people didn't like the more sombre palette used in TMY but I thought it worked well. It gave it a bit of a Signal vibe.

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Nice to see songs from Strong Woman Do Bong-soon featured (and closing the podcast). For all the drama's flaws, it had a pretty fun OST.

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I'm starting the Liar segment... and so far, I agree, it's not a juvenile drama by any means, or romance-centric. Like you said, the romance is part of the coming-of-age process. Although I did love it. The romance I mean. Mainly because as individuals they were great people, and seeing them being giddy (even the man, how refreshing is that!) together was cute. I also love how much they relied on and trusted each other.

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I'm one of those people who didn't think Chanyoung was interfering out of his bounds. Like javabeans said, he was the protective adult (spiced with his feelings for her ofc). I also felt a lot for his frustration.

Also agree that it was smartly cast and everyone was adequately fit for their role like you said.

Also, did the press really talked like that about the drama? I'm glad both of you judged for yourself and didn't find the drama cheesy like other prejudiced people.

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relative to other youth dramas, there really isn't that many silly scenes or general silliness.

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I came for Liar. :D

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can I just say I love this podcast to bits? it's so comforting, I can't wait to listen to it after I'm done with my errands today. thank you guys so much <3

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SWDBS no words i just love the show and I'm happy that you ladies enjoyed it too and true that it doesn't really deserve all the rude comments but then you can never please everyone who think that a drama has to have a lesson to be learn for it to be consider good.

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Wait but didn't she still shove him and he fell? #SWDBS

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Oooo, this is a drunk podcast?! Hehehe, maybe I should be saving it for after my friend's b-day dinner tonight. Honestly, I don't think I can wait though. So, after listening:

I will say that, with Introverted Boss, it's not even a problem of seeming like Oh Hae Young Again to me because this PD did those things with Marriage Not Dating too. In fact, I'd say that was the show that most often came to mind to me because of the reunion between actor, writer, and PD. I admit, I was hoping for more of a comparison between these shows because they're from the same writer and, though there were flaws in MnD, I just adored it so much from a writing perspective that I could hardly believe IB came from the same person. Maybe because the writer was trying for something more angsty like Oh Hae Young Again? I don't even think the PD's style is necessarily the problem (though he does need to switch up the BGM and change it up a little a bit) because OHYA and MnD proved that shows with a similar feel and sound effects can still be satisfying in their own right.

I have other thoughts, but also an adorable niece that just woke up so I'll be off! I'm saving TLAHL for later, because I love it so much I didn't want to get interrupted while listening.

Thanks for the podcast!

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Will await your segment on Liar then.

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Haha, honestly, I'm just sitting here, smiling and nodding while listening. Don't really have as much to say because I just have love to express. I'm just so happy that they got hooked on this show before it was too late like I did! It really is such a great show.

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I loved marriage not dating the most, and I could see what introverted boss were trying to do with the crazy abrasive heroine, but it didn't work this time, because the hero wasn't like the one in marriage not dating, and it came out like she was bullying him instead of being funny.

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Exactly! Lol, part of what worked about Marriage, Not Dating was that the hero pretty much asked for what he got in Joo Jang-mi and all the effects were hilarious and heartwarming. The more I watch the show, the more I love it :)

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I love the ending bits. The one I remember the most is the overturned table with the mothers.

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It's weird that nobody ever seems to remember that the travesty that was Superdaddy Yeol also came from this team.

One good (Marriage Not Dating), one bad (Superdaddy), one good (Oh Hae-young Again), one bad (Introverted Boss) is their current track record. And it's a testament to just HOW terrible Superdaddy was that it's been utterly erased from living memory, so it doesn't surprise me at all that IB sucked, and it surprises me more that OHYA didn't (although tbh I don't know for sure that it didn't because I only watched half of it).

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I definitely remember they all came from the same PD.

Technically, OHYA and Superdaddy Yeol came from different writers than MnD and IB so you can't really say it came from the same writer-PD team. The reason I was rightfully excited about Introverted Boss is because it came from the writer of MnD, my favorite drama from the PD.

OHYA was written by one of the I Live In Cheongdamdong writers so I was actually excited for the team-up between writer and PD before it aired. I wasn't disappointed for the most part, but never loved it as much MnD.

Superdaddy Yeol came from a new, inexperienced writer, if I remember correctly. So it's not really a surprise that one didn't work out that well.

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Isn't the new team about to come out with another drama soon? I heard people were being cautious about it this time around. I guess IB burned them bad.

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Yess, thank you so much you two! I love going for a long walk to relax and listen to the podcasts, so how convenient you released it on a holiday!

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I can't ever try to listen to anything when I'm walking... not even music. If I try, I don't watch where I'm going and the scars on my knees are the proof that it never ends well :/

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-- The idol girl in introverted boss is Secret's (same group as the girl in My Secret Romance) Jung Hye Sung. I think she might be the better actress out of the two.

--- Same with javabeans. I don't want to waste more hours watching a drama I no longer care about. I'd rather just read the recap (which is where you come in...) if I'm curious about anything, and then jump to that segment if I get the urge to watch it happen, instead of just reading about it.

I love Um Ki Joon as the teacher in Dream High and Special Investigation Team (good drama).

--- I agree about how the hero didn't really use his time traveling advantage all the wisely or efficiently. Although as a shopaholic, I'm drooling at the thought of using time travel to shop.

=== Your image of Joo Won as a little boy having to be taught about love by BoA is somewhat hysterical. I need to watch that love talk show asap.

---- Personally, the problem with Strong Woman wasn't the expectations, it was how much I didn't care about the silly side stories and characters (except for the gay manager and his doppelganger in the hospital and the secretary).

They were comic reliefs, but it stopped being funny when I wasn't emotionally invested in any of them 10 episodes in. Their own little show felt disconnected from the best part of the show, which is the main couple, so I lost that interest with them. That said, it was still a drama I enjoyed watching a lot so it's not as if it's a bad drama. It could have just been better with tighter writer and less fillers.

I liked the absurd humor so I personally didn't have an issue with the level of it. I wasn't expecting an intellectual show. I just thought the gag scenes were dragged on for a little too long time-wise within a scene, and throughout the drama. It wasn't a matter of the level or material given, just its execution. I liked the flying kicks, I like the poop joke the first and second time around, but by the time we got to the temple, I couldn't bring myself to care about how stupid the gangsters were, so I stopped finding myself laughing at it. It was a running joke going on for too long to a marathon. I would have liked it better if it took a smaller part of the show OR felt connected a bit more to the main storyline, which I loved.

---- You caught my interest when you said everybody is well thought out in Father is strange. It's what I loved about Liar, and now, I have to watch a week-end family show because you said that. You owe me a coffee treat for the lack of sleep I'm going to get trying to catch up to that show.

About family dramas, I like the High Kick series best. I also liked one of IU's family dramas (I forgot the name), and Yoona's debut family drama.

--- My mood just got suddenly way up and I got happy and preppy as soon as the Liar Lover OST played in the podcast. That's how much of a trash I am for this show.

I agree that Liar is like Healer with a disproportionate...

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Comment got cut. Good thing I had the impulse to copy it right before I hit submit. I would have cried otherwise.

------- I agree that Liar is like Healer with a disproportionate popularity on Dramabeans, but even more so than Healer. Healer was fairly universally loved outside of Dramabeans, just not showered with it. Liar has about equal haters to its number of fans outside of dramabeans, so the disparity is even more so. It makes me sad, but I can't do anything about it.

========= I'm surprised you said we didn't need to add qualifiers when we wanted to recommend Liar because it was just a genuinely good show, I thought you would think that we needed them. Honestly, I've read so many bad reviews that I've been brainwashed into thinking that maybe I DID need to add all those qualifiers when I recommended it. Which I almost never do, because reading those negative reviews took away all the confidence I had about recommending it to anyone. It's just a show I privately hold close to my heart for myself and the Beanies who love it.

------ I think the same about the romance. It wasn't about "will she won't he," it was more about how the romance would push them to move forward in their careers and growing up process. Hangyul had a lot of growing up to do, and Sorim needed to enter Hangyul's world to burst out of her sheltered bubble.

----- Like you said, the drama handled and balanced the individual journeys of almost all of its characters really well. The characters also had different parts in different stories, so it never felt separated (that was the point I was trying to make with Strong Woman earlier).

For example, Sooyeon had her story with Shihyun, but she was also a manager in the company, and Mush & Co's adopted big sister. Shihyun was Crude Play's leader, Hangyul's best friend, and also had his loveline with Sooyeon. And regardless of what happened to the relationship/romance/friendship stories, all of them were also musicians and struggling to find an identity or confidence as musicians too. It gave them and the story dimension.

I can see that Strong Woman tried to do the same, but the connection felt feeble, and instead of feeling like I was watching a wholesome world, it felt like I was watching different separated skits. The characters were connected in a way spin-off characters from different shows felt connected. It was the same world, with a few thin threads connecting the characters, but without feeling like they were involved in each , others' lives enough.

Sooyeon felt important to Mush & Co. Sorim cared about Crude Play as their fan. Jinhyuk was important as Mush & Co and Crude Play company director. The high schoolers barely felt important for Bong Soon and the gang even less. They weren't at her wedding. So like I said, not the level of humor, just the emotional connection for me to care.

----- I also like the matter of fact way Liar presented the way the music industry...

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In the segment where I wrote about Bong Soon in this comment, when I talked about characters from different spinoff shows, that included not just the gangsters and high schoolers, but also the neighborhood ahjummas, and even the brother's girlfriend. I liked her, but I didn't care that much for her in the grand scheme of things. She wasn't important to anyone besides the brother, even Ji Soo stopped being in love with her (or more accurately, he probably never was) so I just liked her mildly enough to like her scenes, but not enough to feel very attached to her.

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----- I also like the matter of fact way Liar presented the way the music industry functioned.

------ I didn't think Chanyoung was the meddler. He got interested in Sorim and her band early on and was set to be their producer. So I don't think he was meddling in a business that wasn't his. It was very much his business. It would be weird for his character to just give way and back off, and take a step back, honestly. It was more than just about romance, it was about making his music.

Like both of you said, there was one point where he got too into it, and exploded. But that was part of his story arc plus he realized fairly quickly that he's gotten to far and backed off (Sorim and Crude Play) accordingly. I totally agree with Javabeans that he always respected Sorim's feelings and did what she wanted to do.

----- I agree with girlfriday that JYP is a bit more like Hangyul, and I can see how Hangyul would grow up, maybe set up his own company and become another JYP. With a bit more experience producing for Yoona and Sorim eventually (just less than 2 years left!), he'll be able to do it.

---------- I'm happy to hear that Javabeans thought Joy was really good in the role. Some people kept talking about how bad she was so that's good to hear from you.

----------- I had the same reaction about Hyunwoo, and the same turnaround too. At first, I thought he looked too young, but then, it became an advantage. He was just young enough that his romance with Sorim felt believably cute and fresh with all the giddiness of youth, but he also was old enough that he felt credible as the guy with his band on his shoulders, taking responsibility, negotiating, or being a reliable shoulder for Sorim to depend on when she had to deal with the netizens' comments.

And he also didn't feel too old that when it was his turn to rely on her, you didn't believe that he was too old to do so, or that she wasn't old enough for him to be someone who could give him comfort, or share his worries with him.

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Overall, it was a show that made you care about everyone, and where everyone were good people enough you rooted for them to become better and happier people, which they did.

It was also well balanced, character-wise, thematically (I love how they never threw away how important music was in those characters' lives. Too many dramas introduce a trait they said is IMPORTANT to a character early on, and then completely forget to address it as they go into the romance and drama and whatnot), and in terms of atmosphere. It was light. Yet also heartfelt enough that you cared, without feeling drained out. Youthful and fresh, but also thoughtful and mature.

The characters made immature mistakes, but the way their immaturity and maturing was presented never felt dumb down and juvenile. The fresh cast also infused in a youthful energy into the drama it never felt bleak dreary to watch their struggles. And watching their moments of joy as they spent time with each other made me feel young again.

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And it has the distinction to be one of the few dramas which made me care about all its threads in almost equal parts: romance, bromance, friendship, family, and even business. I usually just put up with the business corporate part of a drama but I was just a interested in it here as I was in their relationships.

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For Strong Woman, I also never thought there was too much violence. It's not OCN, I could take it. And it was comedy for the most part, Kill Bill violence with ketchup and broken teeth and hospital mummies.

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After re-reading my comment, I realize I sound as if I didn't enjoy the gags, which I did at first. It gave me lots of funny moments. That Steve Jobs moment, like you said. I like how at first, the high schoolers worshipped Bong Soon. I liked how the gang were so set to make their silly revenge of honor on Bong Soonie, or how they patrolled the neighborhood and scared everyone. At first. I just lost interest because if even the characters within the drama like Minhyuk and Bong Soon didn't give a damn about them or gave them the time of the day, I couldn't either.

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One more thing and then I'll bow myself out before I spam this post with more of my comments.

I really liked Kim Myung Min's romance with Jung Ryeo Won in Lord of the dramas. His Anthony made me believe he genuinely formed a romantic attachment with his writer. Jung Ryeo Won had a lot to do with it, since I was rooting for her character, but Kim Myung Min made me believe in his attraction to her. He reminded me of Rex Harrison as Higgins in My Fair Lady, feeling that attraction for the younger Hepburn Eliza . Less so with Lee Ji Ah in Beethoven Virus, but I don't remember much about the love line in that drama. I just remember the very last scene when he walked away.

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I've never seen Lee Je Hoon or Joo Won as asexual -- Lee Je Hoon especially was really heart-fluttering in Tomorrow With You to me -- but I have that problem with Do Kyung Soo and Im Si Wan, so I'm already predicting I won't be able to reconcile his romance in The King Loves. Do Kyung Soo and Im Si Wan just look too young and too innocent to know what love is to me.

You would have to like, you know, young people.

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Girlfriday quote. Should be a meme. And jokes aside, she's right, WHY would you not like young people and romance and friendship and music, it's a good thing. :)

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Woah, the ones you mentioned. These are the two for me. I totally agree. I'm also foreseeing the same problem with The King Loves.

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I found the romance in the little webdrama Do Kyung Soo did about a student-director making a film with his famous celebrity ex cute and convincing.

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I am with the POV that Lee Je Hoon and Joo Won lack chemistry with their lady co-stars. Agree as well that Joo Won seemed to have a crush on UEE on that family drama. I just feel that they need to have some more romance in their lives to make their love stories believable.

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well, this podcast confirms that JB & GF read comments are aware of what is said around town. I don't know what to do with that information...

I know you allotted the longest time to TLAHL, but I still wished you talked more about it. I want to hear about Sooyeon and Shihyun, the adorable best-ever teacher, the scenes with grandma and their little dances and singing sessions and and hugs, or what your favorite tracks in the soundtrack was.

It might not be a perfect drama if I try hard enough to come up with its flaws, but it did everything so well above expectations. Not just expectations for this drama specifically, just drama expectations in general. No caricature big bad villain, no one is even evil. Young but mature couple who talks things out. A hero who squeals when he receives a text and is completely besotted with the girl. Music that isn't just a gimmick but actually used in the narrative. And so many other things. The one I am most impressed by, is how I didn't feel the usual second half slump and lull in the narrative. Even my top most favorite dramas had their slump, tho admittedly, I was too into them by that point to care about it emotionally, even if I intellectually knew what that was. This drama didn't have that, the narrative kept going on and peaked in the later half. That's what I'm most thankful for.
And Crude Play. I'm a fan.

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By the way girls, if you two haven't already, watch this Mini Concert Live with Mush & Co, Yoona, and my Crude Play of course. It's great if you loved the music in the drama.

http://www.vlive.tv/video/29540

There's also another video in the same channel of the Crude Play boys, in case you like Crude Play like I do. I didn't hear much about them in the podcast so I'm not sure where you stand on Crude Play the band.

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I'm a lurker making my rare comment because Javabeans made my Monday, and probably my week, when she said that Liar was "just legitimately good," no qualifiers.

You didn't recap it and I had no idea what your thoughts were on it. I didn't know what I would get. I confess, I was very nervous when I clicked on the podcast.

Hearing Javabeans say Joy was "really good" felt like a huge burden taken off my chest. I was worried you would find her bad since because of her idol label. I agree with you about the acting, my favorite performances were from CEO Yoo, Choi Min Soo, Lee Jung Jin, Lee Hyun Woo and Joy. Lee Seo Won too, but he wasn't in my good graces so I couldn't appreciate it fully. I loved his character Jik 100%, but unlike Javabeans, didn't have the "residual good feelings" about him until they came back when he had dinner at Sorim's house. I didn't think Mush & Co had what it took to carry the heavier emotional scenes, but their scenes didn't require much gravitas anw so I didn't mind. The milk drinking bit defines just what they are to me, cutely silly even when dumped and heartbroken.

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I forgot to mention that guy who played Shi Hyun. And to a lesser extent, the girl who played Soo Yeon. They were both great in their roles, regardless of the limited screen time. They were scene stealers and got me invested about the secondary romance, which I rarely do. I would have burst a vein had they not gotten together by the end of the drama.

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I actually have loved Lee Je-hoon in a romance before with Yeon Woo-jin. It's a short movie, even shorter than a drama. Pretty sure it was YWJ's debut work. Thoughtful, sweet and worth the watch. They honestly had really adorable chemistry. And maybe because we skip the "falling in love" portion and just get a piece of their life as a couple, it was easier for Lee Je-hoon to portray. There were a few promising moments in Tomorrow With You, like the scene when he brushed soot off Shin Mina's face, that also have me thinking that he could still do well in this area with stronger writing.

Also, I have to say, I still think Kim Myung-min was adorable with Nam Sang-mi in Bad Family, even though I know that couple's chemistry was far from fire-hot. Haha, they were just so cute and funny.

Interestingly, thinking about Joo-won and how an actor's life influences chemistry within their dramas got me thinking about Kang Ha-neul. He seems so pure off-screen that I'm often surprised by how convincing his chemistry is already, with Nam Ji-hyun and even with Kang Sora and IU. It's part of why I'm so curious about seeing him in a rom-com.

I've often said that part of why I love SWDBS is because it never it took itself too seriously! It did bother me at points, but it always found ways to make up for it. Yet, still, deep down, there were a few things I wanted that I just didn't get. Maybe because I felt the characters were so wonderful together that, after eps 7&8, I wanted them to work together more like they did way towards the end, so it actually reached my expectations, just not to the degree I would have liked. But you make a great point about how it was pretty successful at being what it aimed to be. I ultimately just loved the leads to bits.

And, ugh, I'm sorry. I think I just teared up a bit at that "You can't compete with Park Hyung-shik". I have just always believed in this kid since Nine and Sirius. I'm so happy he found this character and is getting all this recognition!

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How could I forget Kim Myung Min and Nam Sang Mi in my comment?? I love that drama. I remember the family more than the romance, but they were cute together.

I felt protective about ze:a like a mother even before they went into acting, very early into their careers as idols. I'm too old to be into kpop and wasn't a fan by any means, but I had watched this reality show they did by coincidence on youtube, and I felt so bad for these hardworking kids. I had kept my eyes on them since then. Seeing so many of them become successful warms my heart.

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Kang Haneul does seem pure offscreen doesn't he? But I am a believer of different sides of a character. A person who seems fragile and sensitive can be strong and outspoken when he needs to be. Or a strong brave man can suddenly become very emotional hearing about a loved one's death. Like comedians who are sad in real life? But I do not know about an iota about acting. Kang Haneul could have lots of experience with romance or he could have minimal but he knows his method acting/craft. I love his scenes with IU.

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I am a believer of that too. The human psychology is very complex, and even if you know someone well, it's hard to predict exactly what they will do in certain situations. Or some are good at self-restraint and repress their wilder sides well, but have it within them and can use it to act.

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Kang ha neul has good chemistry with many people. He was ok with Kim Ji Won in Heirs, and he had really good chemistry with Nam Ji Hyun too.

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This got me thinking: could it be his personality offscreen is what made his interactions onscreen more believable? I think he is hard to hate. And maybe he works really hard with his eyes and expressions. He makes himself fall in love? What a difficult and interesting craft acting is. I can't act to save my life.

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I a bi-sexual guy, so I know a thing or two about pretending... Before I came out, I had a lot of pretending to do. It mainly has to do with applying what you know to something you don't feel.
Say he has to act like a cruel person, but he's not. If he's very well familiar with his inner feelings, he can increase his range. He can remember how he felt pleasure at another's misfortune, say something small like seeing funny videos of people messing up, and amplify and modify that feeling to something much more cruel.

About his chemistry, his real-life personality must help create it, I agree. But it's probably a lot more to do with his acting skills. Some people who are attracted to each other in real life can't act convincingly as lovers on camera for the life of them.

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They sound like they find that part of him cute though...

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This is my first time listening podcasts and you ladies have lovely voices. Your review over The Liar and his lover is just like how we spazzed over in The liar and his lover threads, some are loving CY and some are rolling eyes at him. We had so much fun.

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I didn't love CY, but I felt sooooo much for him. I mean, come on, he was the outcast, younger than the rest too, and just always feeling left out, and wanting to make his own music but being stuck playing with fake players, and he was talented too. Plus, Jin hyuk always lowkey put him down by comparing Chan young badly compared to Han gyul. That was unfair. I'm glad Jin hyuk acknowledge in the end that Chan young was the better producer for Mush & Co because he knew how to make music for them, rather than just music from his head, or for just one voice. ^__^

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Is there a way to put the podcast up like your Team Dramabeans post so it's easier to see? I used to be able to know right away when a podcast is out with the old website blog view, but the Extra section is not the most eye-catching section, and I more often than not skim through it without really looking. I only didn't miss this one because of the picture. I missed the last one by nearly a week late.

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I didn't find Whisper as bad as that, maybe not as emotional as Defendant, but not bad enough that I find it boring by any means.

As for that little musical dramas, I love it to bits. It's rare to find a drama which can make me feel happy during, and happy about its ending. It kept the ending feeling realistic, as was the drama, but was still a feel-good ending. I felt very very good and happy for all indeed.

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Perhaps, is this possible that girlfriday found the second lead antics to be the typical ones because she expected them to be and so, saw his actions primarily through those lens? I always saw his actions as more than that. His interactions with the hero were that of a rival in the professional world, but his interactions with the heroine were a lot more pure and innocent than that. Most of the time, if you take away the love triangle angle, you could interpret his story with the heroine in a good light. He was an admirer, an oppa, a friend, a confident, and her idol, a co-worker, her ally, and her band's mentor all at the same time. I genuinely believed he viewed Mush & Co and Sorim as his protegees.

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Aw, I was anticipating what you had to say about Rebel and my girl Chae Soo Bin. She was underutilized but I was proud of her.

I like the music in that drama too. One of the few romance dramas I could be made to finish. Funny how my favorite korean dramas tend to be the ones with romance, but not many romance korean dramas are dramas I like.

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They are also many of them are youth dramas, but it should be a surprise that I like young people I'm still young too.

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uh... correct me if I'm wrong, but is "that drama" TLAHL and not Rebel? I first thought you were talking about Rebel when I read this, but it doesn't make sense to call Rebel a romance drama. lol.

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Nice, looking forward to listening to it during work. Especially that last part.

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Good to see that JB & GF are as fallible as the rest of us mortal to the shipping disorder. For some reason, I never pegged them as shippers. It was great listening to their segment about Hyungsik and Boyoung. :)

I might love LAHL more as a drama than SWDBS, but the couple in SWDBS takes the couple award for sure. They had more kisses for one. Yes, call me a pervert if you want. I make no apologies. Hee.

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Glad to know I wasn't the only one who wanted some romance with Gyo-ri (Jeon Hyo-sung) and Hwan-ki. I only watched the first two episodes of Introverted Boss but their little brief moments were far better than Ro-woon and Hwan-ki's. And that's a good example of good chemistry.

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haha. I know, lots of people shipped them. You weren't the only one. ^_^

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Thank you @javabeans and @girlfriday.. this is my first time listening to podcast.. honestly, I listened to it just because The Liar and His Lover.. and i'm glad you guys like it too ???

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I love that you guys just sidetracked to talk about Joo Won for a few minutes :))))) love him!

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I wanted to watch SWDBS but got discouraged by a lot of things so I only saw cuts of Park Bo-young and Park Hyung-shik but after listening to this podcast, I'm gonna queue it right in!

And I guess it's good that I really passed on TWY. I couldn't even be bothered to read the recaps (although I still read them, just not enthusiastically). And I gotta watch The Liar and His Lover ASAP!

Wonderful podcast, @javabeans and @girlfriday! Esp the tangent to Joo Won hahaha

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lol. It's funny how much haters have conditioned me that my first reflex after reading your comment about how you gotta watch Liar & Lover ASAP:
..... is to warn you about what you might not like. ^___^""" That was literally my first reflex. I know javabeans and girlfriday are right when you say you don't need to add qualifiers, you don't, it's genuinely a well-made drama, but I've been so used to saying "WATCH IT!!! But..... blah blah blah"

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@syeida huhuhu I know this feeling! When you love something so much and you also want to lower expectations because you want them to at least like them. I'm really hoping I'll like it but I usually have the same tastes as JB and GF (one would say they molded my tastes) so don't worry. Haha!

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You started the podcast with disclaimers "drunk podcasts" and "we don't know how far we can get". :))))))))))))) I love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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It's hard to focus on the podcast AT WORK. :(((
But it is soooo tempting not to listen right away!

And I tried so hard not to laugh when you both got carried away with the fact that Joo Won's dating Boa. =))))

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@javabeans: I do like KBS weekend dramas a lot. There is youtube channel of KBS world, or every week I can watch them on Tvs (1 week later from Korea air time).
As you said, it is really effortless watching them, we do not need to pay 100% attention on each second or rewatch to ensure you get it correctly with subs. Parts of the episodes in family drama I can quite guess what will happen next... But then, what keeps me in, is always how it resolves the problems, and unlike before, KBS weekend dramas generally become more "feel-good" category. I've watched full Five Kids, Gentlemen of Wolgyesu Tailor shop and many more ones (not fully committed to watch all eps)... I really like them a lot. I will pick up Father is strange, thanks for covering your youths on KBS weekend dramas.

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Am i the only one who actually squeals when i listen to TLAHL ost playing? LOL

But i am really glad that both JB and Girlfriday said that TLAHL needs no qualifier to be recommended. All these negative reviews are making me doubt my taste. So i was reluctant on recommending the drama to my friends when they asked about the drama. I was like uhhh.. it depends on your taste. I cannot say for sure. I like it but you probably won't LOL

It kind of feel like you are being grouped into 'idol' fans all out of sudden for liking this drama when the matter of fact is even her fans were hoping for her to not even take the role and watch it with a higher skeptical level than i was. LOL. My friend is a huge Joy fan and she was very critical of Joy acting as a lead right away. Meanwhile, i see no issue she actually fit So Rim to the tee and i prefer her portrayal than the japanese one.

I do agree that Mush & Co boys are evidently green but Jin woo kind of surprise me during the scene where he let So Rim goes. I think it was a genius move by the director. He fits the scene according to the actor capabilities and that scene easily become one of my many favorites.

I will for sure, keep my eye on Lee Seo Won future works and i see bright potential ahead of him. I think he has the charisma like all Blossom actors did, to be honest.

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I went into the forums to hear what Joy fans had to say about her acting, and it was funny how more than half the comments were "she was awkward" and the other half were "well, it wasn't too bad, but not that good." They were all trying to sound "objective" even among themselves.

I'm looking out for LSW too. Honestly, even as a character, I didn't have a problem with CY for most of the time. I never thought he was too pushy or forceful with Sorim. The exception being the hug, but even that wasn't something I interpreted romantically like the typical force-hug in other dramas. It was just a guy drowning desperate for human comfort, so it made it feel less invasive than say, something with a more physical connotation. This was a gesture at an emotional level.

And I think I read in one of the comments up there that someone else talked about their reaction to the ost playing so you're not the only one. :) I also automatically had a smile on my face when the song played.

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I think the bulk of the negative comments come from:

- anti fans
- people who had bad prejudices, and magnified the flaws. confirmation bias, seeing what you expect to see.
- people who didn't bother to get to know the show, just saw samples here and there, without knowing heads or tails or background story and context, and misguidedly judged it uninformed
- people who only watched the beginning superficially, without paying attention to much, and didn't bother to see, or to wait for the emotional payoff in the later half
- Joy/Red Velvet fans. It's the typical "I don't want to get hurt by others criticizing what I love, so I'll criticize myself first" and/or "let me increase the credibility of my biased opinion by offering criticism"
- And then, the people who genuinely didn't connect with it. Though I would say, most of the negative comments come from the other points, so you don't have to feel too hurt about them. People sometimes judge others without bothering to get to truly know them. This is the same, so don't feel bad about it. :D

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hahaha. I'm an idol fan so I just shrugged when they call me "idol fan" Heee. It's not that bad to be an idol fan. It's not as if being an "actor fan" makes you less bias when you watch a drama.

I didn't watch this drama for the idols though, it's because I love musical dramas. It's as if people can't reconcile the fact that idol fans are drama fans too. Hallyu includes both kpop and k-dramas, it's not that hard to comprehend.

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I loved TLAHL. Until now I still can't get over it. Im a bit sad and disappointed though that it didn't do well ratings-wise in Korea when its so popular everywhere else!

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I'm really sad for the director especially. I watched the press-con, and he sounded lowkey proud of the drama and the cast. I want to tell him that him and the team and the cast did a great job.

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Totally agree about the age thing when it comes to family dramas. When I first got into them I only watched the cutest romance ones. And 6 years later family dramas are my crack. They're so simple, heartwarming and what I look forward to every week

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I love this podcast. Not just because of TLAHL. Though that, of course, was the best part for me. Reading all the bad reviews, not just bad, but polar opposite from my observations, made me question my sanity. I can usually take bad reviews pretty well because they're a matter of taste and emotional connection to the drama on a personal level. But when the reviews addressed all the points I thought were objectively common ground, basically the quality grade, not the how much I liked it grade from your old ratings system, I just wondered if I became so blind I couldn't see all the apparently glaring offenses that made this drama a blotch in the drama landscape. So it's good to hear from the point of view of you two, since you didn't have as much of a bias coming in (or maybe a slight negative bias from what I'm hearing in the podcast?).

I'll have to start Father is Strange. Javabeans sure sold it well. The plot sounds surprisingly interesting, and I'm really curious about how "strange" the father is acting. I have all sorts of scenarios in my mind. Strange is a broad range of behaviors, and I have to know what the acting performance is like. I'm trusting you javabeans. Let's try this!

Honestly, I watched SWDBS because of Minhyuk and Bongsoon, and not much of anyone else in the show, not even Ji Soo (though his giving up scene was wonderfully done). The others were just like the ornaments of to the Minhyuk-Bongsoon cake, you know, the ornaments that were there to make it look more presentable and didn't taste like much. The cake though, was delicious goodness, and every time they were together, my inner squee monster came out.

Unlike many though, I didn't take the show seriously, so I didn't take much offense to the show not trying to bring in some meaningful messages, nor did I find much of a problem with the "problematic jokes." They were just too silly to take seriously so I just waved that away. It's a show where you turn your brain off to watch it, so I had no reason to find offense to much of anything and was able to find them amusing. On the flip side, because I turned by brain off during any scenes that didn't have Minhyuk and Bongsoon in them, I was mildly amused with them, but just so, and nothing more. I didn't miss them when they weren't there.

And strangely enough, I can totally see how Joo Won and BoA ended up together. I don't know what exactly makes me say that, just this vague impression that they're somewhat similar in terms physical traits, and vibe they're projecting.

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Introverted Boss - I've avoided bringing it up but I couldn't get over the fact that the sister was coerced into sex with a guy she didn't like because she didn't know how to say know. I fully read that as a rape scene (date rape but rape) and then the show decided the rapist needed to be redeemed without ever recognizing those scenes as rape. Really bothers me the more I think about it.

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The sad part is that it happens like that many times in the real world, so it was more disturbing to watch.

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Yay another podcast! Thank you so much javabeans and girlfriday! May I say that you made my day just by hearing that you both loved SWDBS! I agreed with all your comments about the show and wish that there was a dedicated podcast just for SWDBS...

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They made a dedicated podcast for Healer, so why not? They love the show, and I'm sure we can talk about Hyungsik and Boyoung for hours and hours (especially when drunk Heee).

I want a dedicated podcast for SwDBS and TLAHL please. And Answer Me series.

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Popular shojo remakes (BOF, Playful kiss, Nodame, etc.), and new idol actors don't exactly get the glowing reviews on Dramabeans, on the contrary. And when Beanies hype up dramas with a young ensemble cast full of idols like Moon Lovers, Sassy Go Go, Playful Kiss, Heirs, etc., JB & GF are usually the ones to give damper reviews to balance it out....

Liar was a combination of all three, the triple despised combination on dramabeans, so I fully expected to hear that JB & GF didn't enjoy it much and was getting myself ready for damper reviews. I knew being a musical drama didn't guarantee a good review, because Dream High 2 didn't get it, neither did Naeil Cantabile, or even Persevere Gu-Haera. Those dramas I enjoyed to an extent too.

It totally came as a pleasant surprise that you shared Beanies opinion this time, and pointed out exactly the same comments about it... Did you stalk us? :)

I agree that The Liar's main draw wasn't the thrills of unpredictability. Not even about the romance, just about everything. It was never about what would happen, it was about how enjoyable the venture into their world was. They were interesting, likable people you wanted to spend some of your time with each week and share the ups and downs of their lives, and you wanted to root for them to make it, because they all had something you wanted them to get.

And when they pleasantly surprise you with how they dealt with their setbacks, and when they got small victories, it made you happy. Even their mistakes were relateable ones, and you empathized with their flawed youthfulness. The music was an additional draw that made the time spent in their world even more pleasant. The family loyalty and camaraderie made you want to be part of it, even if vicariously through the drama, and the cute but no immature romance was one you could admire and respect, if not squeal about it (I did). It made for a really nice escape into a world that felt real, with its own problems, yet also beautifully fresh, young, hopeful and optimistic.

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Speaking of which, is it too much to expect you to give this at least an A- like Dream High? I think it's at least as good in terms of acting, writing, directing, and music as Dream High, no?

Or maybe it's too much to ask. I've hoped before with dramas I like like Sassy, Persevevere, PK, etc and got dissappointed when I saw the grades. Maybe I should learn my lesson this time around and shouldn't hope but your podcast made me hope again.

Ah, hope is a dangerous thing indeed. Oh well, I'll take a page in the Liar book and hope for the better outcome anyway. The drama reminded me that young pain and pure tears can also be a beautiful growing process, so why not hope and learn to deal with disappointment gracefully like the Liar young folks.

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eh... I think it's without question that the acting overall is better than DH. I'm not talking about the adults, the veterans were great in both. I loved DH but after it wasn't done, I wasn't that curious about the cast's careers or anticipating their next roles. Save for Kim Soo Hyun but I had initially watched DH for him so he wasn't a new discovery. With TLAHL, I'm really looking forward to seeing more of most of the cast on screen, especially Joy, Shihyun, Sooyeon, Crude Play boys, Yoona (she's insanely beautiful) etc. I think many of them have that magnetic screen presence. They could end up getting bigger down the line, like Kang Ha neul.

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after DH was done, not after it wasn't done. Typo. Sorry

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by the end, this drama didn't feel much like shojo honestly

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The moment I heard Yeowooya being played in the Podcast, I was immediately smiling from ear to ear.
I'm glad you like TLAHL, Javabeans and Girlfriday. :)

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Me too!! Me too!! As soon as I heard Joy's voice in the podcast singing Fox, I got so excited. It was kinda like a shot of adrenaline, like you knew that something good is coming that's going to make you very happy. ^___^ It's like this soundtrack from Sassy Go go too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJMBvunKC3s but like, with every song in the Liar soundtrack.

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I still listen to the soundtrack of Liar everyday. There are so many bops, and it makes me happy. Joy's bell-like voice is also has a very calming effect.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcOf-jV0-p1hXIwN1GYLXwLxrDCG1U00q

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Crude Play Peter Pan too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1cVMpqqbkc

Bop.

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Yoona's version of it's ok is released
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIEvokq8rhA

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Instrumental Track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlBC2n9mBiw

I just made the belated discovery that there are 24 tracks in the released Album OST. I have to find all of them.

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Ok, found them on this channel, but they're not in a playlist. I have to figure out how to put them in one without a youtube channel. I can't be sharing all 24 links :) Or maybe I can? :)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC71T3un_kn5DBmrmtphKIFw

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Thanks @gusdk ! You're a gem for finding Yoo Na's version!<3

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You're welcome zgs1994 :)

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Tracklist is as follows

01. Fox - Joy
02. I'm Ok (Feat. Lee Hyun Woo) - Joy
03. I'm Ok - CrudePlay
04. Peterpan – CrudePlay
05. Your Days/These Days - Joy
06. Shiny Boy – Joy
07. Counting Stars at Night - Hong Seo Young
08. Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow - Hong Seo Young
09. In Your Eyes – CrudePlay
10. Waiting For You - Joy
11. The Way/Road To Me – Joy
12. Producer K – Choi In Yeong
** 13. Our Youth – Hwang Sang Joon **
14. Hangyul falling in love – Park Eun Ji
15. Sing, Yoon Sorim – Lee Aram
16. Hangang First Meeting – Hang Sang Jun
17. It's First Love - Park Eunji
18. Challenge – Lee Aram
19. Grandma and I – Choi In Yeong
20. Together With You – Lee Aram
21. Feelings Keep Growing – Park Eunji
22. Run, Now – Choi In Yeong
23. I Miss You Hangyul-ssi – Hwang Sang Joon
24. Mushroom Girl Sorim – Park Eunji

Note, the translation/romanization is not accurate.

The playlist and track-list does not include the instrumental tracks which have also been released in the official singles for tracks 1-11

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Omg can't believed I almost missed this! Thank youuuuuuuu! <3

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@zgs1994 You're welcome :)

I'll update with more playlists when I find the time to make them.

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*14. falling for HG

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1&2. I hope it would be that way (Jo Yong Pil) - Joy
3. Snail (Panic) - Joy
4. Pinocchio (Choi Min Soo) - Joy & Choi Min Soo
5&6&7. Flying Butterfly (YB) - Joy
8. Me Gustas Tu (G-friend) - Joy
9. Flying Duck (Cherry Filter) - Joy
10. Im' Ok - Lee Hyun Woo
11&12. Waiting for you - Lee Hyun Woo
13. When I am in Busan (Eco Bridge, Choi Baek Ho) - Im Ye Jin, Joy

14. Unconditional (Park Sang Cheol Chul) - Joy and Neighborhood (Not included in the youtube playlist because I couldn't find a youtube link to it)

https://twitter.com/joy_video/status/843995845200556032

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There are other missing, like many of Choi Minsoo (Inwoo) songs, but it was more difficult to find official cuts with the scenes in it, or unofficial cuts.

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About the soundtrack... does anyone know what other soundtrack has the Music director been part of?
I have been really impressed with TLAHL soundtrack and most of the musical choices they made (the only track I didn't like so much was the one associated with Jinhyuk). I want to find more about the person behind the music, but I can't find much information in English at all.

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That was a really good podcast. I can listen to you ladies talk about dramas all day. It was nice to remember some of the dramas I enjoyed earlier this year! Can't wait for the next podcast!

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Omg I'm cracking up at the comments on Joo Won ? but actually when I think about it, I do agree that it's hard to see him in a romantic light ? and Lee Je Hoon as well, his feelings towards shin min ah didn't feel genuine, so it was so hard to connect with the love story. Got me very frustrated.

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