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The Liar and His Lover: Episode 15

There are the smiles we know and love. They’ve been severely missed, and thankfully, they’ve returned just in time for finale week. (Augh, it’s almost over… Say it isn’t so!) With all of their insecurities now out on the table, the folks at Sole Music are opening themselves up to change. And even better, they’re finally opting to face that change together. So from now on, no matter what happens, no one will have to walk alone.

 
EPISODE 15 RECAP

At the sight of So-rim, Han-gyul instantly breaks into gut-wrenching sobs, and he falls into her arms, saying that everything would’ve been fine if only he didn’t exist.

In the hospital, In-ho is tended to by his mom, and her loving words cause him to remember what Han-gyul had said after his confession. Han-gyul had promised not to tell the other boys and then ordered In-ho never to pull something like that again – because he and the boys weren’t the only ones who cared about him.

His emotions crashing back in, In-ho tells his mother that he’s sorry, though he can’t bring himself to say why. He merely surrenders to his tears, silently accepting Mom’s embrace.

Han-gyul cries that he’s made things so much harder for his friends and that it’s killing him, but strangely enough, he still wants to pursue his music. He wonders if he’ll be able to do better from now on. So-rim wipes his tears away and assures him that he will; she reminds him that she’ll always be by his side no matter what happens.

She pulls him into another hug, her own eyes filling with tears as she tells him never to say that everyone would be better off without him, “Because I can’t live without you.” He promises that he won’t and squeezes her even tighter. Jesus, we’re only five minutes in and I’m already a sobbing mess.

Chan-young sits at home, staring at a new song he started for Mush & Co. and thinking back to his conversation with Jin-hyuk. He’d told Jin-hyuk that he couldn’t trust him and that he wouldn’t tolerate being used anymore.

Shi-hyun calls him and Yoon out to reveal what CEO Yoo had said about taking over for Jin-hyuk. For now, they agree not to tell In-ho until he’s out of the hospital.

The next day at Sole, the security guards inform Jin-hyuk that Han-gyul had checked the CCTV footage. After viewing it himself, Jin-hyuk immediately confronts Han-gyul, who lies that he’d been looking for a lost flash drive. Jin-hyuk tries to pry the truth out of him, but Han-gyul ends the conversation there and leaves.

While Mush & Co. are chatting, So-rim gets a text from Han-gyul to meet. As she scurries off to the roof, Gyu-sun compliments Jin-woo for not freaking out. Then he pretends to spot So-rim and Han-gyul hugging, making Jin-woo whirl around and shout, “Kang Han-gyul, that son of a—…” (LOL.) He chides Gyu-sun for messing with him.

So-rim finds Han-gyul and is glad to see that he’s feeling better. He apologizes for showing her that side of him, joking that it was very unboyfriend-like of him. But in all seriousness, he was grateful to have her there. They both smile and start to lean in, only to break into shy giggles.

She invites him to the little get-together she and her friends are holding for their last day at the dorms, and he gladly accepts. Then he sneaks a quick peck on her cheek, making her (and me) squeal in surprise.

Soo-yeon finds Chan-young with Shi-hyun and suggests he go see Mush & Co. since they’ve been worried about him. Chan-young notices Soo-yeon and Shi-hyun suddenly acting veeery close and smiles, saying that he’ll give them some privacy.

He finds Jin-woo and Gyu-sun in the practice room and apologizes for being so MIA lately. The boys are just glad to see that he’s okay, though they are wondering if he’s still their producer. Chan-young frowns in confusion, so they elaborate that they know the company only favors So-rim.

Chan-young admits that he only favored So-rim too, but now things are different. He’d always liked the sound of a band, which is why he joined Crude Play and why he wanted to produce his own band. And then he met Mush & Co., he adds with a smile.

After leaving, Chan-young spots So-rim and Han-gyul in the corridor being all smiley and handsy, and he immediately hides out of view. He laughs sadly to himself as he watches them go.

Meanwhile, CEO Yoo informs Jin-hyuk that it’s been decided that Sole Music will be shut down, meaning he’s out of a job. So she wants him to join Who Entertainment as a director, and his first task is to fix both Crude Play and Mush & Co.’s images. To her surprise, he just quietly accepts her orders.

Soo-yeon drives Mush & Co. back to the dorms for their party. So-rim reveals that she has a surprise guest, and funnily enough, Jin-woo and Gyu-sun invited a surprise guest as well. Ha, I like where this is going.

Han-gyul and Chan-young are about to leave for the party when Jin-hyuk calls them both into his office. The boys eye each other curiously, and Chan-young even mentions that whenever the three of them are together, bad things happen.

Laughing, Jin-hyuk can’t exactly deny that. He tells them about CEO Yoo’s plans of merging Sole Music with Who Entertainment, giving them a fair warning that it’ll be quite chaotic. He asks for Han-gyul to think about where to go with Crude Play from here and for Chan-young to reconsider staying with Mush & Co.

Afterwards, the two boys go their separate ways, both saying they have somewhere to be. Chan-young reaches Mush & Co.’s dorm first, greeting So-rim and asking how she’s been. She replies with the same “joke” Chan-young once told her, saying she hasn’t been well since she couldn’t see her oppa. After an awkward beat, they all burst into laughter. Although, So-rim admits that she really did miss Chan-young.

Just then, the doorbell sounds, and So-rim reveals her own special guest: Han-gyul. And he’s carrying the exact same cake that Chan-young had brought (I guess they really do think alike). Chan-young laughs, “You again?” and everyone breaks into smiles, more than happy to celebrate with two cakes.

As everyone walks home, Han-gyul and Chan-young hang back. Chan-young defends his presence at the party with the producer card, making Han-gyul turn to him – is he willing to be their producer after all? Chan-young is still somewhat uncertain, so Han-gyul tells him to go for it: “Because your songs make your performers happy.”

He knows just by listening to Chan-young’s song that he wrote it with the perfect balance for Mush & Co. as a group. Han-gyul admits that that’s something even he has difficulty with, and he wants to write songs for every member of his band, not just one. “I’m going to do it properly now,” Han-gyul concludes.

Chan-young tells him to do just that, and they smile. So-rim turns around and takes the opportunity to snap a picture of them together, which also snaps them out of their friendly moment. They argue over who gets to walk with So-rim (“I’m her producer!” “Well, I’m her boyfriend!”), and she just grabs the both of them so that they can all go together.

Once at home, Chan-young takes Han-gyul’s encouraging words to heart, remembering all the times Mush & Co. were happy to have him as their producer. He comes to a decision and starts working on his second demo again. Yay!

Chan-young makes sure to tell Jin-hyuk of his decision the next day, promising never to change his mind. He is curious, however, as to why Jin-hyuk changed his mind when he was so obsessed with only making music that sold before. With a sigh, Jin-hyuk says that after taking a step back from it all, he was able to see a little more clearly.

Chan-young wastes no time in announcing that he’ll continue working with Mush & Co., and the trio are just as ecstatic as he is. He promises to keep the band as his top priority and to never leave them alone – the same thing he had promised So-rim when they first got signed. The promise sounds so much different when it’s for the whole group.

Jin-woo and Gyu-sun jump up to buy celebratory drinks, leaving Chan-young and So-rim alone. Feeling giddy, So-rim starts singing “The Road to Me,” triggering Chan-young’s memory of their first meeting.

She doesn’t remember singing the song then, but Chan-young does, and he figures he’ll never be able to forget it. He says that at first, he liked her voice, then he liked her trust in him, and now he just likes that he was able to meet her. He assures her not to feel sorry for him, though – as long as he doesn’t say it’s over, it’s not really over.

All the Crude Play boys join In-ho at the hospital, where the mood is rather light. Chan-young totally puts Shi-hyun in the spotlight by revealing his new relationship with Soo-yeon, getting a big reaction out of everyone but a dazed Han-gyul. When Shi-hyun asks why he’s so out of it, Han-gyul says that he’s been thinking that they should stop using session musicians once In-ho is discharged.

Han-gyul: “I’m being sincere. All this time, I thought I was responsible for all of you. Rather than us walking together, I thought that I had to carry you until you reached the level that I longed for. So I didn’t let you play the music you wanted, thinking that was the right thing for me to do. And you all knew I’d been wrong all along. But you held it in for me. That’s why from now on, I’m going to create music that we can all play together. Instead of the sounds I come up with in my head, I’m going to use songs that all of us can enjoy.”

He assures the boys that he’s serious about this, and they smile, saying that they already know. Despite their joking tone, they all seem moved, particularly In-ho.

Jin-hyuk tells Yoo-na about his new position at Who Entertainment, and she notes that he’s telling her as if he’s asking for her approval. She asks who he’s trying to make excuses for, but he’s unable to answer.

In-ho is released from the hospital the following morning, and he gets ambushed by Crude Play and Mush & Co. the second he returns to Sole. With an amused grin, In-ho pulls Soo-yeon toward Shi-hyun, and Mush & Co. gasp to discover that they’re dating.

Unfortunately, they can’t goof off for too long. Crude Play is sent in to CEO Yoo’s office, where they learn that they’re still holding a press conference this week. Seeing their shocked faces, she assures them that they won’t have to play live.

To Han-gyul, it seems like a bad time, but Yoo sees it as a good time, especially since their fans’ focus has shifted due to In-ho’s accident. That may be so, Han-gyul answers, but what are they supposed to do if another scandal breaks out later on?

Yoo believes it’ll all be fine as long as they’re careful, but Han-gyul disagrees – as long as they use the session musicians, there’s no guarantee that this kind of incident won’t happen again. Either way, he’s decided that he won’t create music this way anymore.

When Yoo points out that the quality of the music will be made obvious, he says they’ll just have to wait until they’re ready then. As for the press conference, they’ll have to think about it. Yoo is taken aback by his firm tone and can only glance at Jin-hyuk in disbelief.

After the meeting, In-ho pulls Han-gyul aside to ask if his sudden outburst is because of him. Han-gyul merely says that they can only go so far when it comes to covering up their lies.

He gives In-ho a warm smile, reminding him that he’d said he’d take care of this. Just above them, Jin-hyuk listens intently from a balcony.

That night in his office, Jin-hyuk can’t shake off Han-gyul’s words. Remembering the CCTV footage of In-ho, he heads over to Han-gyul’s place for some answers. Han-gyul figures that the both of them might as well know, so he reveals the truth of In-ho’s sleeping pills and what In-ho had intended to do with them.

Han-gyul is close to tears as he continues that his friend was so afraid of playing live – of destroying the band – that he’d actually considered getting into an accident. Jin-hyuk is completely floored to hear this. Han-gyul turns to him, stating that they should never forget that this happened and that they’re the ones who need to take responsibility.

By the time he retreats to his car, Jin-hyuk is drained from this sudden discovery. He thinks back to the very first time he approached Crude Play and had them shouting in delight at the sight of his business card.

After he’d gotten Chan-young on board, he’d told the boys to fake their playing so they could get Han-gyul’s song out into the world – they could improve their skills later on, he said. In-ho had asked if they would really get to play in the future, and he’d promised that they would, making the boys look awfully hopeful.

The memory gets Jin-hyuk choked up, but he quickly pulls himself back together and drives over to Yoo-na’s place next.

Jin-hyuk notices that Yoo-na took down her very first album cover, and she just shrugs, saying she looked like such a baby during those days. Jin-hyuk, on the other hand, says that he found her very pretty.

But he saw the potential for her to be prettier. To be a better singer. To be a better star. He saw that potential in her, Crude Play, and Mush & Co., which is why he started all of this. “I didn’t start it to ruin you guys,” he says, his voice filled with regret.

Tired of waiting, CEO Yoo decides to take matters into her own hands and announces to the public that Crude Play will indeed hold a press conference.

The Crude Play boys gather at the bar, feeling as if they’ve been trapped by their superiors yet again. Han-gyul sees this as their chance to come clean and start over, though the others are still a bit wary.

So Yoon speaks up, saying he’s worked so hard up until now, but because of their lies, it hasn’t felt worth it. But if they reveal the truth, he’ll be able to put his mind at ease.

With that said, they all place their hands on the table in agreement. In-ho would prefer that Chan-young stay out of it since he plays his own music, but Chan-young just slams his own hand on top of theirs, unwilling to step away. Yes. No one’s getting left out this time.

Later, Han-gyul meets up with So-rim, and they take a stroll outside. He tells her that he and the boys are going to acknowledge the accusations. With a strained smile, he says that it might be a long time before they’re able to perform again. So-rim sweetly back-hugs him, not caring if anyone sees. So-rim: “You’ll still write songs, right?” Han-gyul: “Of course.”

The boys inform CEO Yoo of their plan the next day, but she just scoffs, thinking they’re being completely irrational. Han-gyul insists that they can’t just cover a lie with another lie. Yoo heaves a big sigh and gives them one last warning – they can do whatever they want, but it will surely cost them their chances of ever playing again.

One by one, the boys wander up to the roof to brood, only to laugh when they see that they’ve all ended up in the same place. Together, they silently gaze out at the view.

Han-gyul joins his father at the bar (and I love that they have similar thinking positions here). He starts to wonder if revealing the truth is really the right thing, especially since In-woo was the one who had said the truth could hurt people.

In-woo suggests he give his son some fatherly advice – if he talks as if he knows everything, it’s because he’s scared to admit he’s wrong. He’s been acting this way for years and he’s still scared to change, so he believes that Han-gyul should make his own choice.

Later, the boys mentally prepare for the press conference in their separate spaces, an obvious sense of dread and sadness in the air.

And before we now it, Sole’s team is setting up for the reporters. CEO Yoo calls Jin-hyuk to make sure the boys won’t misbehave, and he vaguely replies that he’ll make sure they say what needs to be said (I hope you mean what I think you mean).

He finds the boys waiting out in the hall and hands Shi-hyun the scripted apology. Before Shi-hyun can get a word out, Jin-hyuk encourages them to say what they want to say.

The boys are surprised by Jin-hyuk’s words, but they’re able to walk into the room with a little more ease. The five of them take their seats and face the reporters, while Jin-hyuk and CEO Yoo watch from the back. Soo-yeon and Mush & Co. are in the back as well, here to support their boys.

As practiced, Shi-hyun takes the mic and speaks for the band. But to Yoo’s utter horror, he completely dismisses his lines and admits that the accusations toward everyone but Chan-young are true. The room erupts into a series of camera flashes and astonished murmurs.

Shi-hyun continues that they are deeply sorry for their actions and that for the time being, the band will be going on hiatus.

CEO Yoo turns to Jin-hyuk and fires him right on the spot before storming out. He merely brings his gaze back to the boys, clearly having already accepted his fate.

The boys file out of the room, ignoring the various questions being thrown at them. As Han-gyul sees them out, he looks past the sea of reporters and straight at So-rim, who gives him a small, encouraging smile.

 
COMMENTS

I must admit that every time I leave an episode of Liar, I’m rendered speechless. Each episode has seemed to top the last, and this one was no exception. There’s something very special about this drama in that it knows exactly how to package those key moments and deliver them perfectly for us viewers. We came to know every character so well that we could understand their actions – whatever they said or did fit incredibly well with how their personality was supposed to be. That’s some phenomenal writing right there.

When Jin-hyuk’s whole world started crashing down on him, the way he dealt with it made so much sense with who he was. In a way, he was almost like a teacher having to accept that perhaps his students knew better than he did. But once he came to his much-awaited realization, he didn’t scoff and roll his eyes like an adult who couldn’t bear losing to a bunch of kids. He was never that kind of guy, which is why it was always so difficult to straight up hate him.

It was always hinted that he truly cared for these kids, and we got to see his true feelings for them when he made the heartbreaking confession that he never intended to ruin them. And in true Jin-hyuk fashion, he didn’t let this realization hinder him in any way. At the end of the day, he is a businessman, but it feels like he’s finally found the right balance of business and passion. I’m not sure what will become of him now that he’s jobless, but I trust that this writer has him – and everyone else – covered. I’m feeling just as tense as Jin-hyuk looked during the aftermath of the boys’ press conference, but I think Han-gyul was right: This was the direction they all had to go.

This has most definitely been a writer’s piece, but I can’t exactly say that the drama would be as enjoyable without everything else it’s offered. I didn’t think I could love these characters any more than I already did, but each episode kept building them into such wonderful people. The writing, the chemistry, and the overall feel all came together to make it just right for me. I have my favorite characters, but honestly, everyone is the heart of this show. I can’t imagine the drama without any of them.

I carry a lot of praise for the more experienced actors like Lee Hyun-woo and Lee Jung-jin, but I must also applaud the rookie actors. While they weren’t anything spectacular, they were able to bring so much heart to the show. They all had very natural chemistry with each other, making it a super easy and enjoyable watch. I hope to see this entire cast in many more projects in the future – preferably together again, but hey, I won’t be too greedy. I loved that this little rom-com was so much more than a romance (though that was arguably my favorite part). It explored various ideas of friendship, partnership, confidence, self-worth, and hard work, just to name a few. It started off very cute and bubbly, but I didn’t expect it to touch me on such a deeply emotional level. It wasn’t perfect, and the characters certainly weren’t perfect, but that was part of the reason why we loved them so much.

Lastly, I feel like I can’t sign off without thanking every one of you beanies for showering the drama with so much love. The sheer positivity that continued to radiate from the comments only increased my love for the drama tenfold. Let’s hope that this precious gem closes happily and gives every one of these characters a proper send-off. Crude Play, love, kill, die, aja!

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First comment yay!

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Haha. Congratulations!! I wanted to be first so bad. I saw the recap when it had zero comment, but whenever I tried to get into the page, it wouldn't let me. T___T You have me.

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Yay! Congrats!! I'm still here early, I'll say in first 100 comments. Not bad.

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I made it exactly 400 comments later! ?

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Same here! lol >.<

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Haha. That's also an achievement. Congratulations to you both!! I made it close to the 500 mark, so you're 100 above me.

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Congrats. It's lucky indeed.

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Congratulations! You beat the competition. :)

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Congratz

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Congratz!!

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Isn't it so much fun? ? Congrats!!

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It is!

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I read in the rule of dramabeans, no writing on First comment. Anyway congrats hehe.

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Every week, I find that this drama is able to tackle another problem/hardship of each character. I love that this week they were able to really dig into JH and his motivations. He was depicted as a cutthroat businessman for the majority of the time, but I feel near the end they were really able to bring out his love for music, and the Crude Play boys. I love that even though he was one of the people pressuring them to use session musicians, that he supported them with their decision to come clean. That's probably one of the best things about this drama - each character has so many layers, and nothing is black and white. So sad to see it coming to an end! As always, thank you for the recap ?

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I think Jin Hyuk's redemption worked so well, because they lay out the foundation for it so early on. He used to be a pianist (I think, not sure anymore) and it was also mentioned several times how he had two conflicting sides in him - the businessman and the music lover. So in the end it just felt like him returning to his roots or perhaps just giving the music-side in his personality more room and space to breathe, allowing for a more compassionate and relaxed approach to his artists. It's like if CEO Yoo and HG's dad's personalities were both put into the same body and thus constantly at war, just like those two people are, until JH decided to fully put one of those personalities before the other.

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Oh I love what you wrote about both CEO Yoo and HG's dad being in one body. I feel that JH is more like CEO Yoo than HG's dad, but he shares their love for music. But then, CEO Yoo also loves music. She just think of ways to sell it best. HG's dad is not concerned with selling but being free.

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@kaybee senpai is always supwr eloquent with her descriptions and yes totally agree about JH!

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Now that you mention it, CEO Yoo is the staunch businesswoman on one end of the spectrum, while IW is the passionate musician on the other end. JH has been like a pendulum swinging back and forth these two personas throughout the episodes, hence his redemption in this episode is neither forced nor unexpected. As what @sailorjumun has written, this writer-nim has built up the characters' motives and layers in each episode that whatever choices they make later on feel organic to the story. Back to JH, my heart broke for him when he admitted that all he wanted was for his artists to shine through him, and not to be ruined. ???

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Yes totally! My heart was cimpletely shatteref for himnit was like reality finally slapped him in the face hard and he had to start picking up the pieces in order to atone for his mistakes. Great writing and great direction and ofc superb acting. ?

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The acting was not over the top, but you could feel all the regret and disillusion. It was superb.

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JH is the epitome of starting with pure intentions and idealistic dreams, and ending up in cynical ambitious greed that makes you forget your dreams.

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Jinhyuk's realization about what business made him to do these kids were one of the highlights of the episode. I know people didn't like him a lot, but I never disliked him.

He took responsibility in the end, and got fired, and I'm so proud of him.

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Me too, so proud.

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It's funny how we're proud of a fully grown man as if he was just a puppy. lol

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I'm proud of him tooo

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Yes we were always led to believe in his inherent humanity and relatablility so his redemption was the absolute best. ?

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So proud of JH's decision to finally choose one side and stick with it! Since he was the one who discovered the Crude Play boys, I'm sure he must have felt proud of them for growing so much so far, and having to continuously force them to use session musicians must have hurt him, because he had been the one to see their potential. He knew their backstory of being friends in a band who'd dreamt of performing live, and JH must have felt guilty all these years as well. As much as CP felt guilty for lying to the public, JH must have also felt terrible for forcing the boys to live like that.

I'm so glad that he supported their decision to admit the truth even if he knew it would cost him his job!

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He saw their potential, but I personally think he forgot about it. Remember in the early episodes when he said they didn't need to make any efforts as musicians and just be "stars?"

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Once they became stars everything happened so quickly that it became easier and easier to just keep using the "easy" way to keep the band afloat.

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You also have to put their schedule in consideration. I know how busy celebrity life can be, it would have been hard for them to find time to improve.

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JH was an amazingly three dimensional character. I think he lost hsi priorities because he got drunk on sucess and that is probably where his end began.

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I half agree with you. I think rather than having gotten drunk on success, he lost his priorities trying to preserve and protect that success.

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And in the midst, forgot that it was more important to preserve and protect the artists behind that success. It might seem like one and the same to protect the success for the artist, but they're two different things. Protecting one doesn't always mean protecting the other too.

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Right? He was always in the greys. His drive made him want for more but he always appreciated good music. I love how CY pointed out how he didn.t understand JH's motivations any longer. It was a nice peek inside his head.

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Who knew CY would be the one with the wise words to wake JH up when we started this drama? The growth of each character is so satisfying.

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Seriously.... you wrote so much and yet you are 2nd to cmt.... (*giving you a glare*..... then.... tell me how do you do it ???????)

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lol. That paragraph looks to be about 150 words at a rough estimate. If you type in the average speed of 50-70 words per minute, that takes you about 2-3 minutes. With practice you can do it!

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Practice make perfect

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I'm a speed demon ?? haha. Practice makes perfect!! I also just so happened to open the page when there was 0 comments. I'm normally late to comment ??

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The opening scene made me cry again. Seeing HG break down like that was heartbreaking. I'm so glad he went to Joy, no words were needed - just her being there while he was able to come clean about how he felt was enough?

Jin Woo you are too adorable. Haha you were doing so well at being mature until Gyu Sun tricked you. (Is it bad that I want to see more jealousy from him?) Old habits don't change that quickly?

Chan young ah, I'm so proud of you for putting aside your feelings for So Rim in this ep. I could see that he genuinely cared about Mush & Co and their future together. It was just lovely to see him get back into a more friendly relationship with HG, I want that surprise picture that SR took of them too!!

Crude play, you guys are so great together. I can't stop smiling when I see you all joking around with each other. It's such a down to earth friendship❣

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I agree with everything you said. It's great to see everyone just coming together and just being there for each other. To be honest, I think Chanyoung still likes Sorim, based on his words and actions, but what's important is he accepted that Sorim and Hangyul are in a relationship and that he shouldn't come in between them. That's the difference; feelings don't go away that easily. I also liked how easygoing Chanyoung and Hangyul are now; they put their past arguments and hate aside and really hit it off. To be honest, Sorim played a big part in that, and I think that's why her character is so vital. Also, it's great how Chanyoung regained the confidence to be the producer for Mush and Co again. It's sad this drama ended; need a season 2 right now.

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Yes, I think Chanyoung still likes Sorim, and Sorim knows he still likes her? Or I'm misunderstanding what he's saying to her?

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Oh and I don't think that he's stopping because he doesn't want to come in between them, he's not that noble. It's more because it's not want Sorim wanted. And he always does what Sorim wants.

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"he's not that noble"
He totally makes these little faces and you can tell lol

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@kayak Jinwoo takes the cake though for the little faces. His aren't even little. He's plain sulking, even after having "matured" up.

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Agree about CY not being noble! Lol. He was respectful of SR's wishes, that's for sure. And I'm glad that the show didn't make him into one. He's not anymore pushy, but neither is he a doormat.

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Lol @ He is not that noble! That's so true! He still likes her but knows that she doesn't and will not reciprocate his feelings! Same with Jin Woo.. I think they will both always love her and she will always remain the "girl who got away" for them! But they are both smart enough to know when to stop- all because So Rim is a lovely mature girl who has her priorities straight!

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@klurker Agree. I'm glad the show didn't make him into the typical too-good-to-be-true noble second lead. CY is much more interesting like this. He never went far pass the limits and wasn't pushy, but he's not meek or apologetic about his feelings either, while being considerate of the girl. That's a great balance to have in a Second lead.

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Yeah Sorim knows that Chanyoung likes her. That was shown about 2 or 3 episodes ago. There was no definitive ending to Chanyoung's feelings in this drama so we can assume that he still likes her and Sorim knows that. He's saying he's still not over her, which is being honest. And true, he's not that noble, but he's still a great character with amazing character development. I do agree that he won't do anything that Sorim doesn't want, which goes to show how much he cares for her.

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In my opinion, he's the most interesting character in the drama.
His psyche is the most complex one, so maybe that's why people find it hard to understand him and like him.

Sometimes, I had to go through a bit of mental exercise to stop getting myself angry at him.

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I don't know if Hangyul and Chanyoung really hit it off. They always seem to begrudgingly like each other, but at the same time, there's a sense that they don't like each other either? I don't know how to explain it, it's just how I feel looking at them.

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It's like love-hate relationship haha

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or hate turned love. So there's some vestige left, but it's more for the sake of fond memories than actual hate. It's almost a funny thing at this point.

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I think it is a mixture of respect and envy. They both know that they are not as good as the other in specific things- like Han Gyul knows that he will never be as good a bassist as Chan Young and CY knows that no matter how much he tries, he might never be able to reach HG's brilliance in composing/producing. Add to it the mutual love for So Rim, and the tension sure increases!
But at the same time, they have been together for too long to not acknowledge that they are both great people and genuinely care for each other...
In short, they have a very complicated relationship! :P

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Agree! And I like it the way it is! Lol. I've known of people who are in the same kind of relationship, who can be nice and civil toward each other but with some amount of tension stemming from awareness of each other's strengths and weaknesses.

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@klurker Such people always make for good stories... I wish I had people like that around me so that I could analyze their complex emotions up close...

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Well said!!! How come all Beanies are so smart, it's unfair. I also feel like Chanyoung and Hangyul. Everyone around here are smart and eloquent. Your comment just officially made you the Hangyul to my Chanyoung. Just kidding.

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Hahahha @gusdk Chan Young is equally awesome so I will gladly be Han Gyul for you.. May our bro(wo?)mance be awesome but may we not fall for the the same person like these two did! :D

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@obsessedmuch good luck with that. With so many yummy drama actors... what are the chances both of you won't fall for at least one same guy. Ha.

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@newsbff I have chosen Seo In Guk for life so I guess as long as @gusdk stays away from him, we will be alright! :P

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Right? Gyulie breaking down in Sorim's arms was just too heartbreaking yet SO RIGHT! I love how they're so solid! They've literally seen each other at their worst yet still are together. My love for the OTP is so real! I'm projecting it on HyunWoo and Joy. I ship it so hard. Please be real? ?

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I'd be happy if it is real kk. Maybe i will ship Hyun Woo with his next leading lady, i dont know haha. But Joy&Lee Hyun Woo are so cute together.

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I don't think I'll ever ship the with anyone other than each other. I could never watch either Hyun Bin or H Ji Won in anything other than Secret Garden because they were the ultimate OTP back when. :P

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oh, you are so loyal. Ha Ji Won is my ultimate fav actress. I ship her so much with Jo In Sung since their What happened in bali. Hoping they could reunite one day.

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@urnaa I don't ship HJW with anyone because I ship her with myself. Haha

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It's my favourite too! I even counted how much they hug each other in that scene lol ? I'm so glad the writer gave us many of the main couple scenes together because I miss them so much for the last 2 episodes before this.

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So how long did they hug each other?

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Communication and reliance at its best. Honesty is the always the way to go dramagods

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Ha.. but then we wouldn't get Liar Game. LD

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HG crying in SR's arms is my new aesthetic! ?

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Ah I loved it too.. For me, the overall new trend of male leads crying, expressing their emotions and seeking comfort/help from the females around them is amazing. It hints at a change in the male-female dynamics and I am really loving it!

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Agree! What I love more in that scene (as well as in the crying-in-Sorim's bosom scene) is how Sorim was all calm and consoling. She didn't preach or nag. Despite being younger, she becomes a pillar of strength when her boyfriend is breaking down.

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Oh yes! She is such a mature little girl! I am quite in love with her character!

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@obsessedmuch Mature, yes! But not world-weary and still refreshingly full of youth and innocent. I'm so in love with her too.

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Same, she didn't offer any false hopes or promises which is so easy to do when you comfort people

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Yes, she's an absolute gem! She's quietly supportive without being preachy or fake. I luff her!

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I also really want to say that props to the writer for making almost every character who I came to dislike (with the exception of possibly Se Jeong) become people who I could forgive and start liking again essentially.

With Jin Hyuk and Yoo Na's characters I was pretty close to really disliking them but these past two episodes have really turned my opinions about them around.

I also forgot to say thank you for the recap SailorJumun?

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I was also surprised about Jin Hyuk and Yoo Na! I was irritated with them to no end. That's the magic of this drama and how it builds the characters into layered people who, yes, are sometimes greedy and selfish and petty, but ultimately good people.

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I was never irritated too much with Jin Hyuk. With Yoona, I couldn't like her, but I couldn't dislike her either, because she has that no-nonsense thing about her I admire.

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Yeah I like that she's pretty straight-up.

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She also stands up for others. Like I know a lot of people didn't like that she proposed a dating scandal with HG, but I think she was genuine about it, and truly wanted to take the heat off SR. She knows how hard it can be and she thought she could handle it better, having been longer in the industry.

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It also helps that she's literally "pretty." She's so gorgeous I get a bit fuddled just looking at her. It's enough distraction I find it hard to find the mind to get irritated. I'm a woman by the way. But not immune to admiring beauty when I see it.

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Agree! I love that writer-nim didn't make her into an excessively manipulative, whiny second lead. Instead, she does her job with passion, she says what's on her mind, and even though she got jealous at some point she didn't get derailed over these emotions.

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She's always upfront even about her pettiness so i guess we can relate as the audience? She was a cool character overall. ?

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The writer is phenomenal.

I don't like Se Jeong, but even her, I still have hope that after that lesson, she would have learned and improved herself.

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I'd actually forgotten about Sejung! I wonder if she did learn from it. Being humiliated in front of your idol has to do something to do, I hope.

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More than being humliated by your idol, I think Gyusun's hug and good nature might have had a bigger effect on her change, if she changed.

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I'll miss Gyu Sun and his pure heart - after his kind heartedness I hope she reflected on her actions

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She's still young. When you make mistakes when you're young, you tend to learn more easily from them than in old age.
I hope I don't offend anyone who is old here, I'm old myself. It's just my observation.

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I'm on the older side, and I admit to it. I'm not offended.

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Agree. She will look back on thosd moments when she's older and think; "well, i effed up pretty bad, didn't i?" ☺

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Hope she learned her lesson. Or else it is pitiful to live her way, always coveting thing other has. She has so much thing herself, beauty and grade etc...

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This writer has broken stereotypes. She/he took a prickly jackass hero amd made him relateable. Then she/he took a total candy heroine and made her likeable and not frustrating at all. She/he murdered the [email protected] out of noble idiocy and she/he gave meat to the story with awsome side characters. I love him/her.

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So true! The writer is called Kim Kyung Min btw but I am not sure if that is male or female name... The original manga was written by a woman and I think props to her too for creating a solid structure for this writer to work on!

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I wonder how the originial mangaka thinks about the drama? Is it being translated in Japanese? I hopes so, I hope she watches this.

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@gusdk The manga already has a Japanese version (I think it is a movie though)... It was quite popular it seems cuz many people were vary of a Korean remake as the original Japanese version was a favourite.. And I think that like we get English subs on streaming sites, Japanese subs might be available too...

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The drama will air in Japan on Mnet Japan, so it will be exposed to the Japanese audience. Let's hope the reception there will be more warmed than in Korea. Though it's doubtful, because of how much it differ from the source material.

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Me too. I actually started liking Yoona a few episodes back when she didn't show any signs of wanting to come between Han-gyul and So-rim's relationships but this episode was when I was truly able to forgive Jin-hyuk for all the things he had done, the moment after he realized and choked up in the car. I really wanted this couple to work out as well and I shed a few tears for them in the finale.

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I expected Jin Hyuk to cry, but it's more touching that he didn't do you agree?

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Me too, I was more touched and impressed that he didn't cry because it was keeping in character for him. A man who never lets his pain keep him from what needs to be done..

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Most of the crying scenes went to Sorim and Hangyul for some reason. Is it intentional?

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@ed ladhki

(by the way, why did you write "Thi is" in your username. I was trying to type it and thought it odd.

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Inho tears were heartbreaking, but Jinhyuk's tears were all the more significant because he's not the type to cry.

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@hamlukan, The "Thi Is" is part of my username. Ek Ladhki Thi is a Hindi phrase meaning "there was a girl" and it's the opening line from one of my favourite songs from one of my favourite Indian movies, Mohabbatein. I hope that explains it.

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@rushda29 Well, I learn something new everyday! :)

Did you choose it on purpose to make a wordplay?

Mind sharing a link to the song and-or information about the movie?

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@marinaq, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tTyDQ0l48S8
The movie is about a couple of couples, Mohabbatein means Love Stories in Hindi. This song is about a girl who was crazy in love with a boy her father didn't like.

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When u mention mohabbatein, suddenly i miss shah rukh khan hahaha..

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I love Indian movies about love stories.

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I am always pleasantly surprised at Hindi movies being discussed in kdrama threads! I remember once asking @rushda29 (Ek ladki thi..) if she was an Indian because her username is :D

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I liked that they showed us bits and pieces of the early years between Crude Play and Jin Hyuk so we could see how far JH had come from his original mission, but did not necessarily have to devote whole episodes to flashbacks. I hope the writer gets more work.

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The flashbacks in this drama managed to convey years of history in mere seconds. They're very effective, way too effective sometimes. I wished we could see more.

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I would give a bit of the credit to the director and editing team for that.

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Indeed, the director and this writer are both great, the director for bringing out emotions in the subtle ways. The rookies do shine because of him.

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Oh I wish we could see more flashbacks too! And not just Crude Play but the Mush & Co. kids and Yoona! All those flashbacks had me wanting to know a little bit more! The flashbacks almost deserve a whole another story- like a prequel! (Oh but my heart hurts just thinking that Han Gyul and So Rim would not be together in that imaginary prequel)

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@obsessedmuch Aw... I was all on board with the flashback idea until you mentioned that HG and SR wouldn't be together. That's a sad thought.

The flashback definitely deserve their own little drama though. Even young Yoona's story and journey to the current Yoona looks interesting. How much confidence she gained by getting recruited by Jinhyuk. No wonder she fell for him later on. He's such a meanignful person in her life (on a shallow note, that Yoona's wig tho.)

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Anyway, sorry, I was just a bit confused because I saw nothing in your comment that would cause a downvote.

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Lol, thanks for your indignation @phuong H! I saw the downvote and wondered myself. It's definitely not the weirdest thing I've written
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@kayak I'm so confused by people at times. You can't even say it's not the weirdest thing you wrote because there's nothing at ALL weird about it.

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@hamlukan, thank you for reminding me that this is the nicest comment thread on the internets.

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Maybe someone accidentally downvoted like I did to someone's comment a while back. Lol. Whoever you are, you can upvote the same comment to negate the downvote. ^__^

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Lol.. that pulled me out of the focus of the the earlier comment thread suddenly! Probably a mistake! I have heard many people talking about how their hands sometimes slip while checking DB on phone.. Or maybe they didn't realize that they were pressing the downvote instead of the intended upvote..

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Me too! I hope the writer gets another work VERY soon. Can't wait.

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I actually want her to get a work not so very soon. She needs time to work carefully on her next script. Quality is better than speed :)

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Right? I think those tiny moments carried so much impact. It showed us how all of them actually started out - they had good intentions, but life threw them a curveball that smacked them straight in the face! So very human!

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So very everyone. Perhaps why we care so much about them.

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Forgave JH when he said he wanted to make them shine more not to ruin. I never truly hated JH, that might be something with Lee Jung Jin, or how writer intended him to be

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Both probably. The writer always wanted us to forgive him in the end. And they casted LJJ to make sure it happened. :)

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Loved when Hangyul stole a peck on the cheek! I was squealing! Same when Chanyoung caught on to the fact that something was going on between Sooyeon and Shihyun. Those two were so adorable when Sooyeon was trying to act professional in front of others while Shihyun tried to get into her space. No time to be shy now! You've both got years to make up for!

Also, was anyone else worried when Inho dropped whatever he was holding at the start of the episode? It seemed like the storyline was heading into the direction of showing that actions have consequences and that his accident may have possibly ruined the function in his hand for good! So glad it doesn't seem to be the case. However, it's good that he realizes how selfish he was acting to those who love him by considering to take those pills and driving.

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Omo, when Chan-Young tried to leave Soo-Yeon and Shi-Hyun, and Seo-Yeon was stopping him. I was dying because there in the background was Shi-Hyun peppily waving Goodbye. Replayed that scene a few times, no lie.
I was terrified by that In-Ho scene too!

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It broke mine too! And I really like that they gave a moment to In Ho and his mother! This show does not shy away from giving side characters their due!

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Yes, it takes skills and wisdom to give precious airing time to seemingly "insignificant" characters. It's so worth the investment if done right.

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I need a separate drama for Sooyeon and Shihyun! The chemistry between them is off the charts and intense!

Scratch that - even behind-the-scenes videos of those two would be enough for me! I just need more content from these two.

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In the behind the scenes, there's surprisingly some chemistry between Sorim and Shihyun. The way the looks and takes care of her. I don't know, it looks like he likes her.

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That guy could seduce a brick wall.

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@kayak or seduce someone against a brick wall.

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