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The Liar and His Lover: Episode 16 (Final)

There is no one right way to create music, and our liars and lovers finally understand that they all have to choose their own paths to find their happiness. We say goodbye to our favorite bands (who are totally real!) as they start their individual journeys afresh. New beginnings come with new obstacles, but with their friends by their side, Han-gyul and So-rim have all the support and love they need. It’s a sweet farewell for us because our darlings have grown up, and they are determined to live a life where they can be honest with themselves.

 
FINAL EPISODE RECAP

After admitting the truth of using proxy players for their albums, the Crude Play boys bow in apology to the press and their fans. Then they walk out as the reporters clamor for more information. Han-gyul pauses for a moment to look back at So-rim, who is standing at the back. She smiles at him in support.

The boys come out of the conference to face a second hurdle. CEO Yoo calls them to her office and announces that she’ll be suing them for revealing trade secrets. She keeps the punches coming by telling them that even if they manage to stay in the music industry, they’ll never be able to use the “Crude Play” name again. This hits the boys the hardest.

Later, Jin-hyuk tells the boys that CEO Yoo was deliberately being harsh and won’t go through with everything she threatened. He assures them that even if Sole Music ends, she’ll bring them into Who Entertainment. Yoon points out that she’ll want them to use proxy musicians again, but Jin-hyuk wants them to focus on minimizing damages first.

Jin-hyuk’s concern is how to manage the legal consequences of the boys’ actions. If they get entangled in court cases and disappear for years after their confession, they’ll never be able to make a comeback. So, his last advice as their producer is to come to a compromise with CEO Yoo to keep their options open. The boys look grave, and Han-gyul says that they all need time to think.

At home, So-rim pecks at her food, and Grandma asks if she’s worried about Crude Play. She’s heard about the proxy musicians and asks So-rim if Sole Music has made Mush & Co. do anything bad. So-rim denies it.

Han-gyul visits CEO Yoo alone and asks if she would promise not to force them to use proxy musicians if they sign with Who Entertainment. He argues that even if they hadn’t confessed now, they would have been found out eventually. CEO Yoo seems genuinely befuddled that the boys didn’t accept her help in hiding the truth.

When she sees the expression on Han-gyul’s face, she sneers that he just wants to preach about how lying is wrong. Han-gyul thinks of In-ho risking his life to protect that lie, and Yoon admitting that the deception stole his pride in his hard work. He tells her quietly that some people can’t be happy when they’re lying, no matter how cushy their lives are.

CEO Yoo gets up in frustration and tells Han-gyul to leave. On his way out, Han-gyul stops and asks if instead of helping them, she would like to make a deal. “Tell me what you want, and I’ll do it,” he says. Oh no. I don’t think you should be handing her that weapon.

Mush & Co. visit a store and overhear a couple of teenagers talking about the proxy musician scandal. Their faces fall at hearing them talk about Crude Play as if they’re finished. At Sole, Soo-yeon asks if she can close down the band’s fan page since fans are posting vitriolic comments, but she’s told that Jin-hyuk wants to hear the fans’ opinions.

Jin-hyuk talks to So-rim and the boys and straight-up tells them that when Sole is no more, So-rim will be signed by Who Entertainment, while Mush & Co will be disbanded. At Jin-woo’s disheartened question — “Do we have no potential at all?” — Jin-hyuk explains that an agency is concerned with selling an artist to the public, whereas the three of them don’t have to prioritize business over music.

As Sole Music’s CEO, Jin-hyuk advises them to think about how to do music for a long time and not how to rise quickly. Then he adds that as their producer, he has one more piece of advice.

We don’t hear what it is, and the three walk out of his office looking thoughtful. Seeing her friends’ long faces, So-rim puts her arms around their shoulders and says, “Let’s go have some fun!” The trio end up at a gaming den, playing arcade games and dancing to a karaoke machine.

For a while, the three forget about their worries and enjoy their time together. Later, they walk by the Han river, and Jin-woo observes that most people on the street still don’t recognize them. So-rim says that they’ve only been on TV a few times.

They reminisce about their old busking days, until Jin-woo asks if she has something to say to them. He explains that he had taken up the guitar for his friends, but he loves playing it for himself now. Gyu-sun adds that if they aren’t good enough to play professionally yet, they can get together and form a band once the two boys are better.

They want So-rim to go ahead with Who Entertainment, if that’s what she wants to do. In answer, So-rim starts laughing. She tells them that she just wants to have fun while singing happily, and for that, she needs her two best friends. So-rim reminds them that Jin-hyuk told them to think about how they can make music for a long time, and that they’ve all been scouted together.

We see in a flashback that Jin-hyuk asked to work with them if they chose not to sign on with Who Entertainment. “This time, I want to work with a band I can grow with.” With a grin, he’d promised not to let them starve, at least.

In the present, So-rim points out that she’d be a terrible girl group member anyway, what with her lackluster dancing skills. Gyu-sun admits that her dancing is quite appalling, which makes So-rim pout at the boys. Heh.

Han-gyul has dinner with In-woo, who tells him that he did well by admitting the truth. Han-gyul asks him if he never regrets giving up the rights to his music. In-woo says that he does, every single day. Han-gyul wonders if he’ll become like his dad, then. With a self-deprecating laugh, he admits that he’s also found something he wants to protect more than his music.

Han-gyul starts a new file for Crude Play’s next song. Then, sitting with his metronome, he comes up with a tune and begins to work.

CEO Yoo and Yoo-na meet for lunch. She asks if Yoo-na has decided to join her company and tries to tempt her by saying that Han-gyul will be joining Who Entertainment. Just then, So-rim arrives, and CEO Yoo calls the two her favorite artists.

CEO Yoo starts talking about So-rim’s career as part of Who Entertainment. When So-rim mentions her band, she dismisses them. Under Yoo-na’s amused eyes, Yoo uses Han-gyul this time to coax So-rim, implying that Yoo won’t allow him to compose for So-rim unless she joins her company.

Yoo-na observes that CEO Yoo is being childish. “Are you really holding the guy she likes as hostage?” she asks the older woman. “If you want us, treat us like real singers and not as women.” *Slow clap*

CEO Yoo apologizes and laughs it off. So-rim speaks up then, saying that she wants to be in a band, effectively turning the woman down. Yoo doesn’t take it well and leaves without saying a word to So-rim. Yoo-na gives So-rim a ride back home in her van.

So-rim thanks Yoo-na for speaking up for her. Yoo-na makes it clear that she didn’t do it for her, she had simply experienced too many threats like this before. She adds that she hates So-rim, since she changed Han-gyul. “When I look at you, it makes me feel like I’ve failed in love.” With genuine confusion, So-rim asks what “failing in love” means. Yoo-na laughs to herself.

After So-rim gets home, Han-gyul texts and asks to meet with her. He comes and waits under her balcony, but when So-rim looks out, it starts raining. They sit in her grandmother’s shop downstairs, and Han-gyul imagines what she was like as a child. He figures that she hasn’t changed from the singing child, and will not change much even when she’s much older.

So-rim asks him if he regrets what happened at the press conference. Han-gyul says that he does a little when he hears people bad mouthing them, but all he truly needs is to keep creating music.

So-rim tells him about refusing CEO Yoo and staying in Mush & Co. She hesitates as she talks about them being under different agencies, but Han-gyul smiles and tells her: “So-rim, it’s not that I want you to sing my song. I just want you to sing a good song.”

Referring to what she had once told him, he adds, “I want you to sing to be happy.” So-rim smiles that he still remembers, and Han-gyul promises to support her in whatever choice she makes.

In-woo asks CEO Yoo to meet at a lounge bar they’d visited once before. He says there is a favor he wants to ask for, and she plainly tells him that if it’s about Han-gyul, she’s done all she could. In her mind, the band refused her help when they told the press the truth.

In-woo tries to explain to her that even though they are young, the boys have a right to live their lives the way they want. CEO Yoo asks if he wants Han-gyul to end up like him. After a long pause, In-woo asks what she thinks is wrong with his life.

She says that no one listens to In-woo’s music and he only lives for his own contentment. In-woo remarks that her choices aren’t the only right ones, and she shouldn’t laugh at other people’s choices.

She feels insulted by his tone, but In-woo just says that while he may seem too far below her, she seems dangerously high to him. Yoo’s frustrated by his words but looks at him sharply when he says that it’s too late for the two of them.

Shi-hyun and the boys arrive at Han-gyul’s house to wake him up and take him to Sole Music to talk to Jin-hyuk, who wants to talk to them after a week’s silence. At the office, Jin-hyuk has good news for them: CEO Yoo has agreed to Crude Play’s terms to sign them on. They can have a break and enough time to prepare to play for themselves in their next album.

The boys are quietly pleased at this development, though they all understand that there will be many more hurdles for them to cross in the future. But optimism soars in them anyway. As the others head inside to practice a little, Han-gyul stays to talk to Jin-hyuk.

On his way inside, Shi-hyun sees a box of Crude Play posters and CDs that have been left like trash by the door. Soo-yeon walks out of a room just then and notices his expression. She pulls him away from the box and hugs him. “It’s okay. I’m sure people will eventually see your sincerity,” she tells him.

He says that he knows, and he calls her “Noona.” This causes her to wriggle out of his arms and point out that he’s always called her “Sunbae” before. He retorts that he’s her boyfriend now and kisses her.

Yoon’s singing a mournful ditty about not wanting to go home cause there’s nothing to do, until Chan-young hits a drum to surprise him into shutting up. Yoon moans about being stuck in the house because of the reporters, and Chan-young tells him that they had better get used to it, since it’ll last for a while.

Yoon complains to In-ho about their bad luck with bassists, who all give them a hard time. They tease that this newly positive Chan-young — who talks about facing criticism together — is annoying, and they laugh at his mock outrage at being made fun of.

Jin-hyuk asks Han-gyul if he doesn’t regret signing on with Who Entertainment, when the terms include signing over the rights to some of his songs. (Oh! So, that’s why he said he might end up feeling like his dad.) Han-gyul seems to be at peace with his decision and asks if Jin-hyuk is all right.

Jin-hyuk says that he has to pay the price for what he’s done. At Han-gyul’s expression, he promises that they’ll certainly meet again, since he’s taking Mush & Co with him, and CEO Yoo has agreed to let Chan-young continue to produce them. “I’ll surely be successful. The singer both Chan-young and K would die for is with me!” he tells Han-gyul with a grin.

As he packs up his office, Yoo-na comes to ask him if he’ll take her with him. He tells her no, because at this point in her career, she shouldn’t be taking a break while her new agency finds its footing. Yoo-na is hurt at his rationality, wanting him to keep her by his side.

Jin-hyuk hugs her and says that she’s a woman who has to sing good music and should stay with the agency that can support her. In his mind, we see the memory of Yoo-na telling Shi-hyun that what she needs most is music. They stand holding each other now, their relationship at a bittersweet crossroads.

So-rim stands in front of the jumbotron outside Sole, which plays a video of Crude Play, now with an unmasked K. When Han-gyul comes up behind her to surprise her, she says that he feels like a dream. Han-gyul promises that no matter what happens, he’ll always be by her side. He asks if it’s better now that K is unmasked. When she says that it is, they both laugh.

Some time after, So-rim is still working at her grandmother’s shop, when she’s recognized by some fans. They ask if they can have an autograph in exchange for buying a big box of produce. She smiles and does it for free.

Han-gyul watches this from a distance, until the boys ask to shake her hands. Once they leave, he pouts that she shouldn’t touch strange men. He offers to work in her place, or buy everything in the shop. Grandma overhears this and calls his bluff, telling him to buy everything so that they can close for he day. Hehe.

Crude Play has a party at Shi-hyun’s bar to celebrate Mush & Co.’s members turning twenty. They pour drinks for the new adults, and Shi-hyun tells So-rim to try all kinds of drinks to find out what she likes. Turns out So-rim is a beer girl.

Yoon tells the kids that the real drinking games only begin once Han-gyul is asleep, and Han-gyul takes that as a challenge. Jin-woo tsks at hearing that Han-gyul can’t hold his liquor, but after a few glasses, he’s just as drunk as Han-gyul.

When So-rim leaves the table for a minute, Jin-woo declares that he gave her up for Han-gyul, who drunkenly yells that So-rim belongs to him. Then, both boys pass out to the amusement of the rest of the gang. Lol.

The girls in the group turn out to be better at drinking than the rest, and the boys are impressed by So-rim drinking up Soo-yeon’s special cocktail without batting an eye. They try to get her to tell them how she met Han-gyul, and she promises to tell them after one more drink, clearly trying to get them too drunk to grill her about it.

The next morning, Han-gyul makes breakfast for his hungover friends. He laughs when he notices Shi-hyun texting ”my woman” (d’awwww), and Shi-hyun grabs his phone to check what Han-gyul calls So-rim. Turns out he has her saved as… Yoon So-rim. Hahaha.

As Han-gyul runs off to shower before a meeting, the boys decide to change the name, since it’s surely wrong to not have a nickname for a girl you’ve been dating for a year.

Mush & Co listen to Chan-young’s next composition and love it. They chant his name, making Chan-young laugh.

At his meeting with Yoo-na and her team, Han-gyul gets a call from “My Girlfriend, Ddo-rim.” Ahahaha. He cringes as Yoo-na deadpans: “Han-gyul… you’ve changed a bit too much.” Pfft.

So-rim tries to startle Chan-young as he sits quietly in their new practice room, but he hears her first. It’s the same place he’d brought her once when she was upset, and he tells her that he would practice the bass here alone.

So-rim asks why he likes the sound of a band, and Chan-young says that in a band, all instruments are equal. He looks around the room and says that maybe it’s time to bring the other Crude Play members there.

Han-gyul has finally bought a car, and when he comes to pick So-rim up, Chan-young warns him to drive their vocalist carefully. Han-gyul protests that he’s a good driver, but he ends up missing a turn on the way to the picnic he planned for So-rim.

After much teasing, they end up at a beautiful spot in a park. So-rim observes how empty it is, and Han-gyul admits that he went through hoops to find it. (Did you buy out a park this time?!) So-rim wishes they could do this more often, and Han-gyul sighs that that’ll be difficult once she’s famous.

She points out that he’ll be a well-known face too, once he starts playing with Crude Play again. But Han-gyul calls himself a “guest member.” So-rim teases that that makes sense given that Chan-young is a better bassist.

Han-gyul says easily that it’s Chan-young’s fault for being too good, but he asks her not to call Chan-young “oppa,” especially when she calls him “Han-gyul-ssi,” which is much too formal between lovers.

So-rim explains that she likes calling him that because he’s the first man she addressed that way. With him, “Everything was my first time, and every moment was special.” Han-gyul tells her that she’ll always be the most special person to him.

As So-rim teases him some more about what to call him, he tells her he loves her and kisses her. We leave them in the park, as Han-gyul asks why she’s blushing, and So-rim comments on how it suddenly got hot around here. Hee.

After a photo shoot with an interviewer, CEO Yoo asks Yoo-na if she’s enjoying working with K. Her new single will be out in a few months, and Yoo wishes her good luck. She then asks if Yoo-na has heard about Jin-hyuk’s new office and if she would like his number. Yoo-na smiles that she’s all right.

In-woo is still busking on streets to the admiration of passersby. One of the people who listens to him from a distance is CEO Yoo, who smiles as she hears him singing.

Jin-hyuk talks to Chan-young over the phone as he waters a little plant pot in his new office. The pot is a gift from Yoo-na and comes with a picture of her attached.

Soo-yeon talks to a concert hall owner about booking the place for three days. He asks who will be performing and is surprised to hear that it’ll be a mini-concert held by Crude Play. He asks if it’s the famous band with four members, and Soo-yeon answers with a grin that with a second bassist, the band now has five members.

All the Crude Play boys practice in Shi-hyun’s bar, just as they used to as schoolboys. Han-gyul frowns to see Chan-young in intense conversation with So-rim. Chan-young teases that Han-gyul shouldn’t have lied, or he could have been her producer right now.

Han-gyul scoffs that there are only eighteen months left in their exclusive three year contract, and he’s clearly counting down the time to the minute. Shi-hyun gets a call from Soo-yeon about the concert hall and announces the date to his friends.

Han-gyul asks if they can pull it off, and In-ho just tells him to worry that there won’t be enough space for everyone. The boys start talking about how their looks and charm will have fans clamoring for them, and Han-gyul laughs that they haven’t changed a bit since high school.

As Shi-hyun sings “It’s Okay,” both bassists play together, and So-rim joins him on the stage to sing with them. Soo-yeon comes in, and Shi-hyun instantly lights up and reaches out to touch her face as he sings.

The boys now hang out at Han-gyul’s house. He comes in to find his friends laughing over how he met So-rim. They finally found out the story and laugh at how the two of them fell one coincidence short of being fated lovers. Chan-young gives a particularly evil chuckle.

Han-gyul bursts their bubble by saying that unknown to So-rim, they did meet three times by coincidence. The very first time was when he’d lent her his umbrella on the way to Sole Music. That umbrella has since made its way back to Han-gyul’s house again.

He warns them not to tell So-rim, and they agree, even though they don’t understand him.

Memories of their past are intercut with the present as Han-gyul meets So-rim for a date. He says in voiceover, “Sometimes we got closer, sometimes we drifted apart. We misunderstood and hurt each other. Every step we’ve taken towards each other… To say that it was predetermined, it would be too boring.”

When Crude Play has their concert, Mush & Co. is there to play with them. And even Yoo-na makes an appearance. Finally, they wave goodbye to us from the stage where Crude Play’s journey began.

 
COMMENTS

Watching this show has always been like snuggling under a warm blanket in deep winter — there is a quiet contentment that seeps through to your bones. The lives, loves, quarrels, and triumphs of the people in this drama seem very real to me. The shades of gray that pervade the arcs of each individual seem very true to life. So, it’s fitting that the show didn’t give us a happily ever after — it gave us the hope that the characters we’ve grown to love have simply understood how to find their happiness.

I’m amazed at how well the threads of all the different subplots came together in this final episode. The story was so well-paced that nothing felt rushed, and no one felt left behind. When the curtains closed, the two bands were both on their way to slowly struggle to the top. This time, they were going to do it the right way. Their optimism is infectious, and I completely believe that Crude Play will win back its fans while Mush & Co. will soar high, creating songs that make the musicians and their listeners happy.

It’s also characteristic of the show that Han-gyul doesn’t stop being the one to make sacrifices for his friends. It’s no small thing for him to give away the right to some of his songs to CEO Yoo. But instead of being bitter about it, he now appreciates that sometimes you make compromises so that the ones who care about you can be happy. His willingness to change was as influential in softening CEO Yoo’s stance, as was his father’s argument that her path wasn’t the only right one. In the end, Han-gyul changed a lot for the people he loved. He stopped obsessing over So-rim’s voice once he realized that he loved her more than he loved creating music for her. He stopped asking his friends to lie for the sake of his perfect music, when he understood how deeply that deception had hurt the ones he wanted to protect. And while there are many things Han-gyul can still hold against his father, he can no longer rage at In-woo for not fighting for his songs. Growing up is painful, but Han-gyull can finally see the people beyond the music.

So-rim has been a surprisingly levelheaded character for a teenaged singer with a crush. She was adorable in her determination to win Han-gyul’s regard, heartbreaking in the way she coped with her disappointments, and admirable in the way she stood up for what she believed in. Even when she was crying, her bright smile was never very far away. Without her unwavering support and understanding, Han-gyul could never have come out of the unhealthy head space that had been his residence for five years. As a character, So-rim may have been uncomplicated, but she was also refreshing. Throughout the story, we saw repeatedly that she had a well-defined sense of right and wrong. And she didn’t spend time regretting her decisions. Once she’d promised to work with Chan-young, no amount of emotional pressure would make her change her mind. No matter the wisdom of that promise or the intentions of the one who extracted it, So-rim’s integrity has always impressed me.

The second leads in the story were in turns infuriating and amazing. Yoo-na had my complete support in the beginning, because she was right to dump Han-gyul, but then her pettiness towards So-rim killed my goodwill. I thought she was unredeemable, but she gave CEO Yoo such an epic set down in this episode that I’m Team Yoo-na once again. Chan-young went through a similar seesaw of being snarky, pathetic, and finally, an adorable puppy. I love that when his worst fears were realized and Jin-hyuk cut him down to size, he didn’t lash out like he’d done before — his real self began showing again.

He’d had too much bitterness coiled up inside him, and while it’ll take years for that to completely wash away, he now knows that he’s loved by his bandmates for himself and not as a replacement for Han-gyul. I also liked that Chan-young took time to come up with his second song for Mush & Co. It confused me when a first-time composer was held up and compared to a pro composer like Han-gyul, but if we accept that as a natural consequence of standing next to Han-gyul, then his decision to do better the second time speaks well of his future efforts.

Halfway through the show, I was convinced that Crude Play would have to break up while So-rim became a solo singer to resolve the many festering issues among the characters. But every issue was dealt with and every quarrel addressed so well that it now seems inevitable that this bunch would end up friends. Han-gyul and Chan-young will still bicker and still compete, but there’ll no longer be the old hurtful suspicions between them. Shi-hyun, Yoon, and In-ho finally have their old friend back, and their two bassists can now play for them together. With the lies eating away at their friendships removed, the boys can now truly be there for each other.

Yoo-na will always prioritize her music over Jin-hyuk, but there is some kind of love between them, and maybe over time, they’ll find a way to be together. Jin-hyuk has seen the error of his ways, and I’m happy that he’s decided to be a musician instead of a businessman in the line of CEO Yoo. In-woo and CEO Yoo might yet find their way to each other, but I think the friendship they share now is what they both need the most. And, Shi-hyun and Soo-yeon turned out to be just as amazing together as I’d hoped.

If there is something missing from this episode, it’s the song we saw Han-gyul working on for Crude Play. Till now, all of Han-gyul’s efforts have been to bring forth the perfect music in his head. I wanted to hear what he would create when he based a song on the strengths and weaknesses of his friends. Other than that, this was a near perfect finale, giving us a final glimpse into the lives of these characters while leaving the door open for future possibilities. It’s the ending we’d all hoped for, and it was delivered in the best way possible: with kisses and teasing laughter.

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We've all been diligently waiting!

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I don't think I've ever regularly checked DB as much as I did in the last 24 hours. Like every hour, at least a few times. Sometimes more than a few times. 😝

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Same here! So imagine my surprise when there were already 20+ comments since I last checked. LoL! 😂

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I first saw the recap at 15 comments and by the time I finished reading (and crying) there were 93 comments and counting !

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The page keeps going wonky because so many people are commenting at the same time! It's awesome and frustrating at the same time! :D Love you guys on this thread!

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Me too!

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I think we all did! We wanted to start the party already! 😂

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Same here!!! 🙌🙌

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Finally ... yeayyyyy

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i actually just happened to refresh DB today, and was so surprised when i saw this up with 0 comments :D talk about luck lol

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100 comments in and I made it! :D Success!

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Getting in at 100 comments is practically like being first now. :)

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Indeed. I gave in the site lag and went back after 610+ comments and it's only been 1 day after the recap released. So yeah, being in 100 first comments is really something.

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It's actually been on 14 hours, so less than a day.

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@greenlamb I didn't notice the timestamp, only the date. I'm more awed now. And by the time I type this, already 997 comments. I will post 2 more so it reaches 1k. This drama deserves it. The writing is incredible.

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i have been waiting for few days and checking.

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Thank you for being a beautiful surprise The Liar and His Lover ❤️ you'll be missed!!!!

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😭😭😭 Indeed!

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Like crazy! Mondays and tuesdays will become just two of the longest days of the week once again. No Sorim-i will make us smile. No Gyulie will make us gush. There will be no waiting for another recap.

Life will be boring again. T____T

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On the bright side, we do have a new TvN show to look forward to. 😉

But yes, I will miss Han-gyulie and everyone else.

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I'm so looking forward to so many shows to be honest. Circle, Duel, My Way, watching Ruler, SP, etc.

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Ditto! ^__^

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@klurker ditto meaning?

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Duel, Circle look interesting.

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@nisasha84 Ditto meaning "same" as in "I think the same, I want to say the same thing, I agree"

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For me, nothing will compare to this gem. At least for a little while. :D

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oh gosh, still havent watched anything other than Ruler. Still rewatching The Liar and his lover and other Lee Hyun Woo works. Even with Ruler, i cant concentrate, just missing this show...

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This was the only show I ever willingly sacrificed sleep over. :D

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Or sacrificed sleep for recaps?

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Same here.. i jus rewatched ep 1 -16 coz this week only TLAHL week.. will watch other drama when i'm ready

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How was it rewatching?

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I feel awesome coz i'm doing something i really like and i dont know how to stop.. i think u should try too @boraflok

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TLAHL made me look forward to Mondays and Tuesdays, a miraculous feat since I'm a perpetually exhausted working mom! I will sorely miss the characters, the music and all the sheer pretties on my screen, always helping me start the week right.

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me too. i am gonna miss it.

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Already missing it 😢😢😢

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It's here!!!

Let the party begin!!!
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And thank you festerfaster for the recap! ❤️

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Gonna miss this party... I love everyone is here too.

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Hooray! Bring out Soo-yeon's cocktail! Lol

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LOL. does that mean we party till we pass out- Han Gyul style? 😝

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Until the DB boys pass out! 😝
We are team girls, we won't pass out! Lol!

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*brings a case of soju* I'm in! Let's party on all night while the guys catch up on sleep ;)

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I dont know about us but the site has sure started crashing down from all of our excitement

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Lol! 😝

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I'm curious. Have there been other dramas' recaps with this kind of party atmosphere? Was Healer like this as well?

I don't follow a lot of popular recaps, so I wouldn't know what it was like. But, with this drama I can really tell I'm at a party. And that I feel welcome. :) (Unlike real parties, where I feel like I'm being eaten alive. I'm timid in parties.)

Cheers to everyone!!!

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@drawde2000 I didn't really follow recaps before, so I have no idea either. But now I'm curious!

And lol, I'm the same as you at real parties, but this is a very comfortable party! ;)

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The number of comments on this recap has already surpased Goblin's final episode recap. (TLAHL 1k+ vs Goblin 821). This is not party anymore, this is a festival.

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There were many recaps with many comments, but I dont recall the party atmosphere like this one. Possibly Healer because I didn't read all 10K+ comments to know.

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*brings a shitload of yogurt drinks* For those of us that don't drink.

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I'm a minor so thank you for including me. I love yogurt, I eat about 4 per day. Since this is a party *takes 20 of them*

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Coke is fine too. ;)

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Bailey's is good, too. lol 😝

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@klurker I saw Baileys mentioned in the recent comments section and I came running! It's yummy! :D

But it does have alcoholic content so not for people who do not drink!

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Yesss! BEST PART EVER!
ALSO! I love everyone on this thread! You guys are awesome!

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Yeyyy. Happy to be invited. Plus, I feel very welcome in this party, unlike real parties where I just nod and don't get to say much. :)

Have there been other popular recaps like this with a party atmosphere? It's rare for me to see recaps with this level of excitement from commenters. Was Healer like this?

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Not sure about Healer because sadly I wasn't around for that (I hadn't started stalking DB yet unlike now), but somehow this thread is just like one big happy family. Moonlight was a bit like this- I have made friends from it and we spazz about dramas on a daily basis! lol. DB is a great place, no doubt about that!

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omo 1k plus comments?? so much love for TLAHL :) i think this one would probably be the most commented drama that I've seen here

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Moon Lovers is the most commented drama that you find comments about the drama and not about how many comments there is.

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Healer is the most commented drama, and this drama comment section is a party. No fights, just celebration.

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To add: Moon Lovers is not only most commented in dramabeans but also Soompi & dramafire. But sad dramafire has resetted their comments sections & all the almost 2K comments are gone. Soompi & Dramafire had no fightings. There are no haters no Haters in Soompi & Dramabeans. I only find haters in Dramabeans.

By the way, I love TLAHL and LHW. His a talented kid.

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Correction: No haters in Dramafire & Soompi. Haters are only found in Dramabeans as regards to Moon Lovers.

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I didnt watch healer. Started first episode but didnt get in mood to continue watching. I have watched first half of moon lovers and i love Yoo Jung. But story line wasnt so interesting for me. Hoping Yoo Jung to play a melo and reunion with Yeo Jin Goo.

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Wow this is happening!! Party 🎉 the waiting pays off

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OH THANK DRAMA GODS IT'S HERE. ❤

*SAVES SPOT AND READS RECAP*

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I got an error message when I tried commenting. Everyone's just as excited as I am 😂

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Same. Error 504 everytime I tried to post! And yes, we've all been waiting for the last recap and now it's here! ❤

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Also, thank you so much @festerfaster for the final recap. Your final comments summed up why I love this show so much! And nicerecap photo header. Hangyul is a cutie! ❤

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Oh i love how you saved a spot!! :D

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I've been refreshing since last night and when I finally noticed it was up, there's already over 300 comments. I knew I was going to be late but I showed up anyway.

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Lucky you.. i hv trouble to comment

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That's why I stopped commenting at some point and only came back after a thousand comments. Lol

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Cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute!

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A massive thank you to SailorJumun and FesterFaster for the recaps on this series 💖

Also it's been so fun commenting with all you beanies. This is the only place that I can express my fangirling moments and where I can write a load of gibberish bc of my love for a scene and people actually get it haha❣

The characters of TLAHL have taken me on such a ride and it's been better beyond my expectations. It's nice to be invested in all of the characters instead of the main couple for a change.

The ending left me with hope for all the characters in the future. It's been a long time since I've felt so satisfied with an ending. Having said that, I don't think anyone would be complaining if there was a season 2 right?

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Yes! I'm usually NEVER satisfied with an eding until I see the ol' happy ever after but with the OTP everything has been so rock solid since the beginning that I didn't need to see them down the road with their kids to know that they'd make it there anyway. There's just too much love between the puppies. <3

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We know that if things don't work out well for them, they'll find a way to make their dream come true and they've got each other😇

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Yes, I only comment about this drama on dramabeans. It's the only place I felt safe to express my love for it, so I reserved all my comments for it here, even though the recaps came days later.

SEASON 2 - NO COMPLAINTS, I DEMAND IT!

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That's pretty much me too haha, there's always one person on here who will be on your wavelength when you've got so many weird things to say😛

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People had so many different opinions, it was fun to exchange them, and had people agree with you, and others had others to agree with you too. And everybody were friendly

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*others had others to agree with them

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The Liar and His Lover LAST PARTY Invitation Card

ONE site to unite them all
ONE drama
TWO months
TWO recappers SailorJumun & festerfaster
SIXTEEN recaps
x HUNDRED of beanies
x THOUSANDS of comments
x TENS of THOUSANDS thumbs up

We made magic together. Thank you to all of you. Group hug.
It's finally time for this magical experience to end.
But for one last time, let's have one last party.

Lurkers. Unregistered and Registered (I see your thumbs. Hi there.)
You're more than welcome to come to our last party.
It's your last chance to show your final comments on the drama, your love, and your thanks for our recappers, and be part of the magic and make

Dramabeans history together. :)

Let's say goodbye in style.
Let's make this party aflame.
It's time to have fun together.

So for one last time....

LET'S PARTY!!!

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Oh my I like this invitation card, especially the first few lines. One site to unite us all! Honestly I don't know what I would do without this site to let me talk about everything drama related, because very few of my friends watch Korean dramas (and fewer are interested in listening to me talk about them). I'm just so thankful for this site!

Farewell Party Time!! *pops champagne*

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I know, I love dramabeans because it's the only place where people are more passionate than I am about what I love.

(And I can chatter away without anyone judging.)

*prepares the champage flutes*

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I seriously have some issue registering here after we have a new Dramabeans website. So, instead of being an unregistered commenter, i choose not to comment.

till this very day, i still have a trouble registering. I still lurk to read TLAHL comment and i must say you guys made my day. I still come back to give my farewell comment to this wonderful drama and a wonderful gang of commenter. I am very sorry for not joining the party but not being able to register kind of make me feel down. LOL.

Despite how green the drama is and how i tried to endure the first episode which is jumpy in its changes of scene. I was indeed suprise by how it manages to bring out the best of each character despite how lacking the character is as a person. The character feels real and raw.

I also cannot imagine different actor playing the characters. I have some setbacks on trusting Hyun Woo potrayal at first but grow to appreciate it too. I love the fresh cast and the MUSIC! Crude play is awesome and Joy voice is a true JOY. LOL.

Props to the Inho, Jinwoo and Chanyoung moment. My heart especially broke for Jinwoo. Gosh so many things to say. This drama aint perfect but there is something special about it.

Thanks everyone for participating actively! I'm really sorry for not stopping by to comment anymore.

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I remember seeing your name from the earlier recaps! Thank you for unlurking for this farewell.

I, too, cannot imagine other people. The actors have owned the characters they played.

(Have you tried to reach out to @mary about registering. It's such a shame being unregistered denied you the experience of being part of those parties)

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I have some issue as the verification email from dramabeans did not reach my email for some reason.

Nope, i haven't. I admit that i kind of use the issue as a step to lower down my involvement with KDrama so is to focus on my last semester as a university student. LOL. So, i just let the problem passes by.

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@Excitable Have you tried to use an alternative email? There is the option to change your email later on, if you want to return it to your main email. You can use the temporary account first, and then switch to the main account later on.

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@Krish oh that would work too i think. But thats for my work email. Nevertheless, changing the email later on seems like a favorable choice. thank you! wonder why i never think of it yet lol

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This drama was indeed special. It distinct itself from other dramas by creating a near-perfect balance on all aspects, and including balancing the music within the drama and integrating it in. You would think it would be a given for a musical drama, but it's not that easy to achieve.

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where did you get the "tens of thousands of likes?"

Cool invite btw. :)

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There were thousands of comments, and even at a conservative approximate, an average of 10 thumbs up per comment. :)

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Thank you @festerfaster for the recap, you've been a gem.

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With regards to the thumbs up, it's unlimited right? I'm afraid I might ran out of thumbs up for this party. 😂😂

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LOL YES! It blows my mind whenever I see how many comments TLAHL recaps get ! Beanies are the best 😉😉

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Aw, this comment is adorable. As I said, I'm here to join the Denial Party, from which I'll never leave...

Lol, even if I can probably only lurk and upvote during the hike I'm leading today, I'll still be here ;)

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I'll be right there lurking with the rest of you! :D

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Haha while waiting for the recap I thought well maybe @festerfaster is also in denial too (and thank you for giving us the recap anyway)!

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I lurrveee your invitation! It feels like we were out there in the concert hall, watching and celebrating as CP, M&C, Yoona and everyone else play their music!

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This is the cutest and sweetest thing ever!

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I like ur invitation card @sakinban ur awesome

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I tried to thumbs-up this comment more than once, it's so great!
Soon we will be expecting reunion invites! 😝

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OhEm! Thanks for the invite! I just want to say that Han Gyul and So Rim are so cute! This show made me feel and remember those days I had some puppy love and crushes.

I have seen there BTS for the last filming and Joy cried. i cried my heart out too.

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Heyyy! I love this! I love how we all came together and discussed this little gem of a show with so much love and appreciation. I wish the cast could see these recap threads so that they'd know how much their work was loved and appreciated.

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Aww this is awesome!! Thanks for the invitation :)

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As we go on, we remember all those times we shared together. As our lives change, come whatever, we will still be friends forever.

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This is such a sweet comment. 😊

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So cute❣ The first few lines sound like something out of a dramatic trailer😜

Thanks for this Sakin *hugs*

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@sakin I actually teared up a little at your comment -- I do feel us Liar Lover beanies really made magic in this thread. TLAHL is truly the underdog of underdogs, poor ratings, scathing netizen comments and poor Joy and Hyunwoo getting bashed for their acting.

I love how all of us here came with an open mind and gave this drama a chance. This is literally like finding a diamond in the rough that our love and enthusiasm polished to perfection.

I will miss this drama badly -- separation anxiety and drama post partum is kicking in -- so for one last time let me proclaim with pride: TLAHL fighting! HYUNWOO FIGHTING! JOY FIGHTING! SEOWOON FIGHTING! I LOVE YOU TLAHL!

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The Joy hate comes from them unable to understand Sorim at the first place or they lack of effort to understand that she is a teenager. It appears to me that she is being stuck on people inability to accept idol actors and her first role is the lead. Despite people saying her fans are supporting her, it is like they come and watch by being critical of her due to being afraid of her getting bash. To add on, is the haters that stem from her idol days. I personally cant find anybody carrying Sorim. Her voice makes me understand why she is everyone muse and eventhough, she is green... there is something raw and innate in her that shines whenever she is on the screen.

I personally like this Sorim more than the Japanese version Sorim.

Lee Hyun Woo my boy, Sato Takeru potrayal is so memorable to me that i keep on frowning watching him on the earlier episodes. However, i applaud him for sticking to his potrayal and make a Han Gyul out of it. People are being critical due to comparing the Jversion with this version.

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Many people also assume the audience for this drama is full of teens, when I, for example, am 60 this year, but still full of young spirit. I spend much time with my grandchildren, and also on the internet with all of you youngsters. So I like to think of myself as still "young"

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Age is but a number, being young is a state of mind! Forever young at heart and in spirit! ❤️

I went to the Bogum fanmeet and I expected everyone to be young teenage fangirls but was pleasantly surprised to see people of all ages- from 6 to older than 60! There was this halmoni with a walking cane that went up for the hi touch! So kdrama fans are really of all ages, genders, shapes and sizes!

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Also, you are #lifegoals and I fully intend to be like you when I'm 60- watching kdramas and commenting on DB! ❤️

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may i ask, when internet got to be this reachable and site like this got to be open to practically everybody?

well its just about 2 decades ago right? we, aged people, are just starting to warm-up in this techie world… international open discussion on our fave drama, a cyber fanmeet, knowing that people of the same (darama) interests are gathered in "a site that can unite us all" [love that tagline, thanks to Sakin]…

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aww.@greenlamb i am in my 30s. but i have a feeling i will be watching dramas when i turn 60. Having young spirit and believing in love is most important thing.

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Final thoughts on the show: I won't go into detail for each character, because then you guys have to read my rambly thoughts on everyone, so here are my general thoughts. For a show that I'd originally thought would be a boring bit of fluff, it's far outperformed in every episode. The characters were well-rounded and realistic, so thumbs up to the actors for portraying their roles well. I also like that the show focused on everyone, not just HG and SR, though that might be why I didn't feel extremely excited for their relationship (I wonder if this is one of the reasons why the show got low ratings, because viewers definitely love to ship an OTP).

I feel that this is the type of show that takes effort to get through, because you've to wade through the emotions and see things from every character's POV. It focused more on the emotions/struggles behind each character rather than an actual solid storyline (things happened because they were needed to make a character realize some things and grow, but there wasn't an actual "plot", if that makes sense), which is fine for me, because I came out of it feeling warm and fuzzy.

TLAHL is also an "idealistic" youth drama - not something everyone appreciates. The nice happy ending wrapped up in a bow lets us believe that passion and truth will win, but that's also very optimistic and rose-tinted. For me, this show was an escape from how cynical reality forces us to be, and let me believe in dreams and friendship. I enjoyed it thoroughly every week. I've a simple motto for dramas because I watch them to relax: if I enjoy it, I care less about its flaws. And I enjoyed this, so there's that.

But since I've given this show tons of love, I'll be objective and point out that I can see the opposing POV on how it is unpopular, because I didn't feel a real, voracious need to watch new episodes. It was just a show that made me feel happy and warm and invested in the characters' emotional growth - which is important for sure, but a lack of a plot doesn't do well in terms of attracting attention and keeping it. Ratings don't make a show good, but realistically, they matter. Since this is manga-based, perhaps the writer was constrained by the actual story. What I hope to see from her next is something with a meatier plot, but still retains her fantastic skills at developing characters that reach out to people's hearts!

(I can't believe this is the last long comment I'm writing for this show! I'll see you guys on other recaps here!)
And thank you Sailor Jumun and Festerfaster for all the recaps all this while. (:

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I agree about the unpopular part. Watching this was a very pleasant experience, but it lacked unpredictability. This was about caring for the characters, rather than knowing what will happen.

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Well, I could never tell where the show would go. There was an understated unpredictability about it. I'd always expect it to go cliche, but it was pleasantly surprise me and I appreciate that a lot!

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The surprise came from small moments between characters, rather than the big story arcs. Which is not something that appeals to everyone.

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I agree with you on alot of the points, but about the lack of need to devour each episode- I must say, I usually watched the earlier episodes back to back each week because of work, and I was really glad I had the next episode to watch immediately because I always did really want to know what was going to happen to the puppies next.

Especially episode 15, which made me, for the first time in my life, as an ahjumma, watch the final episode raw without subs. I swear, I went completely bonkers, I'm not even sure why, but i was floating in feels and I needed to know that the Puppies were ok after their big reveal and that they got their Happily Ever After.

I will say that if anything, I wish So Rim's character had more growth, because of all the characters, I felt she stayed pretty much the same thoughout- her purpose was more as a catalyst to change (and save) Han Gyul and Chan Yeong, rather than to really blossom as a person. She is still a little ray of sunshine, but part of me wished I felt her maturing as a character just a bit more.

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Actually, that's true about SR. I'll admit I didn't really think about that because she seemed to have taken a bit of a backseat in the show after HG confessed to her. She's been a perfect little bit of sunshine, but it's true that she hasn't grown that much. Even JW and KS showed some change. If it's any consolation though, at least she learnt to face up to President Yoo and reject her offer, plus she was courteous to the end whereas Yoo just ignored her "goodbye" and got into the car. SR has shown quite a decent bit of maturity for someone her age, and I did enjoy that. Maybe it's because the others had much more to grow, that's why she had less character development! :P

And aww, I understand that feeling of needing to know what happened so desperately! And I know a lot of people might disagree with me on not feeling that for TLAHL, so I was hesitant to bring that up in case I sounded like a wet blanket on this party, but like @Girad, it felt predictable to me, in the sense that I expected there to be a nice resolution. A bit like Dream High? So for me, it was more of being curious about what the characters would do next, whether they would grow, would they do something I agreed with and really supported, etc.

But I'll say, maybe, just maybe it might have been because I watched TLAHL at the same time as SWDBS and MxM and I had to choose which to watch first with limited time. I'm not gonna say that either of those 2 shows are "better", but in terms of a plotline, they shows had me scrambling to find out what happened because they're of a very different genre from TLAHL. Maybe it's just more of a personal preference for me!

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I think her journey was more about the validation of her skill as a singer. In the first episodes before she was scouted, she was mocked by her teacher and perhaps unseen others. So when their criticisms were silenced when she was scouted and eventually debuted, that part of her journey ended.

However, there were conversations when she hinted on her lack of maturity, such as when she felt jealous over Yoo-na, and she had to talk to HG about it. That was resolved quickly too.

I'm not sure I would've loved SR as much if she was willy-nilly about many of her choices. I agree with you, she was more of a catalyst to change others, because many of her weaker aspects were either resolved early or were irrelevant to the plot of the show as a whole.

Gah! I will miss this show so much! 😭

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To me, the drama didn't aim to show Sorim's growth, and to uncover more and more of her charms as the went along. Even in the later episodes, there were always moments where Sorim's managed to surprise me with her maturity. For example, this episode when she talked to Jinwoo and Gyusun about what she wanted out of music. There was no "growth" but many surprises, which is just as enough in my opinion.

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Ahjumma @michykdrama hahaha then i'm ahjumma too.. it's 1st time for me too that i cant wait to watch next episode.. so i watched live stream tvn since ep 7 in raw.. of course i couldn't understand what they talking about.. but funny, i still can enjoy it

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@Nisa kn, after watching 10 years with english subtitle, i usually understand 60-70 percent of simple talks. Dont understand much when it is saguek, politic and other hard subjects.

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Hello, I'm a fellow ahjumma too who live streamed since episode 7 despite not understanding a whit of Korean because I cared so much about my puppies! I willingly lost sleep and stalked and fangirled like a lovestruck teenager!

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I have live watched from the first episode. But i dont remember to join here from which episode.

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It is not like she doesn't change at all. I'll post a comment from Soompi here, since I mostly agree with the user's opinion:
"The premise of the story is the age difference and their different ways of viewing the world. She's meant to be an extremely innocent and naive teenager and he's a jaded, possibly depressed older man who is sick of his fame and the music industry. His innocence and innocent first love is destroyed. So with that as the basis of the story, her innocence will make him happier and believe in the world and she will go from fairyland into reality. Well that's what the mangas about."
At the beginning of the story in the manga, Riko (Sorim) is very innocent, naive and carefree. Also she is quite simple and doesn't see much through others, hence she doesn't notice that Jin-woo has a crush on her. After meeting HG and falling for him, she goes through all the suffering, insecurities, jealousy associated with loving someone who doesn't quite return the sentiment yet, and gains an impressive insight into Aki (HG) and those connected to him that surprises even her. She is so into him that she is hyper aware of everything he says and does, and can see through most of his lies. At some point in the story she thinks that if she were still her old carfree self, she would date him without worries and would not be extra careful about her behaviour in front of him and the words she says to him.

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Like some people said, Sorim's character was not about how much she changed, but how the more we got to know her, the more charms we discovered about her, and the more we fell for her. Her charms sometimes feel endless, and we kept seeing more charming sides of her as it went on. So it's less about development, and more about discovery.

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Plus, her steadfastness is what helped other characters find their own paths and beliefs. Had she been less principled, there would be no one in the characters who were there to lend the affirmation needed when the other characters were being all uncertain and conflicted. You need someone like Sorim in your life when you're making difficult decisions.

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another maybe better word for affirmation might be reassurance. Point is, Sorim's steadfastness is a great source of comfort for all the characters when they were feeling lost.

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Now, for E16: I thought E16 didn't induce as much emotions as before because it was the downhill of an emotional peak from E14-15. Which is fine, because it's the conclusion after all.

On Yoo Na: I've never really warmed up completely to her, but I say major kudos to her for speaking up to President Yoo, and requesting that she treats them as musicians instead of using the men they love to guilt trip them. Thank you for schooling Yoo on that matter! I appreciate that she's realistic about what she needs to do to be successful, and yet is unafraid to speak up when she thinks something isn't right. I'm certain she's just putting up a tough front when she says she dislikes SR, too. (And, she's so pretty ahh.)

On President Yoo & Jin Hyuk: I bet Yoo thought that SR would give in to her schemes and join WHO. She's lived her life following her own principles, and can't understand why someone would choose to sacrifice money/success to live happily (like when she raged to IW that she'd really wanted to help). That's her choice and I'm glad the show didn't do a 360 degree turnaround redemption for her, because that's not how she works. I'm happy that she gave Crude Play time + let CY produce Mush & Co, and took time off her busy schedule to just enjoy coffee and listen to IW busking. I think that's all the "redemption" I need for President Yoo. Any more would seem unrealistic to me.

Contrastingly, we see that JH looks much more relaxed and happier in his new office. In SOLE, he'd been under Yoo's control and was constantly frustrated over the conflict of wanting to be a good mentor/musician and yet having to cave under the constant pressure from Yoo. Now he gets a chance to really be the mentor he'd wanted to be.

On Han Gyul & Dad: I've always thought that HG was selfish in getting angry with Dad for not wanting to reveal the truth behind his songs. Like Dad, I thought it was not worth uncovering as many people would get hurt. Which is why I'm glad that HG realized Dad's POV that there are some things worth protecting more than music. It's nice because it's a step toward repairing their relationship. What I like about Dad is that even though HG's been snappish and curt toward him, he was always around to give advice and help (like trying to convince Yoo not to be too harsh on the boys).

On Crude Play & Mush&Co: Nothing much left to say about these puppies because the got their nice happy ending wrapped up in a bow, except that they've stayed true to themselves throughout this show and deserve a bundle of hugs. So yay for Fairy Godma-Soo Yeon getting her own happy ending, and yay for CY finally learning to love himself, yay for Mush&Co for not disbanding, and yay for Crude Play for finally realizing their dream to play live. It's been a heartwarming run, guys. <3

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Jinhyuk is one of those characters I'm more interested in, so I wished we could have had a longer time exploring how he's faring. I don't know what to imagine from what we've shown.

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About In Woo: I think the real reason why HG is mad at his dad is how he abandoned him and his mom. He said that shortly after dad suddenly showed up and he also had some issues with him suddenly being around, because he was only back in Han Gyul's life because he had music to do. He waited two full months before contacting his son after coming back to Seoul from who knows where. In fact, he's never really been "around to give advice and help" before, so in my opinion it's no wonder that HG didn't seem interested in spending time with him.

One of the things I disliked about the show (because yes, they were there), is the fact that their reconnection kind of just happened, without the abandonment issue being resolved. Yes, the music-issue between them was mended, but the fact that he's been a pretty non-existent dad for apparently a lot of HG's youth/childhood was just forgotten. And I'm still not sure why IW suddenly decided to be completely back in his son's life or whether or not he even intends to stay there or what. So I'm a little disappointed in that sub-plot.

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Yes, I suppose the abandonment issue was glossed over. But I think we got so many important points in liew of that - the crude play scandal, how each boy felt, chan young's individuality, jin hyuk's redemption - that in the grand scheme of things I will forgive the writer for letting this point go. Maybe if the drama had been longer, we'd have gotten a more neat resolution for this point too.

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Yeah and I'm okay with IW not getting a lot of spotlight, I just found it odd how they spent some eps building a conflict and tearing my heart to pieces over how even his dad wasn't there for HG, just to throw all that conflict out the window.

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