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Open Thread #502

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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OT week 17! A great storm was happening in Northern Italy last night, and I'm a sucker for stormy weather--as long as no tornados come out of them. We have been staying in this turn of the 20th century humongous farmhouse which felt very "Flowers in the Attic" when we first arrived, but now is just charming, an d rattles with every clap of thunder. I'm going to miss this, but ready to be back in the USA.

I started Moonlight Drawn by Clouds and am loving it so far. Second lead plays a strong game here, doesn't he? Also, caught the first part (Beta project) of episode 3 of Circle. If you are not watching this, you are missing out. Internet has been spotty, so will catch the rest when we get back to the states. Husband has been watching Mozart in the Jungle (Amazon Prime Video content) which I've already seen all three seasons, and we've been discussing these.

Husband: Since the daughter is playing in this orchestra here in Italy, I've been getting my classical music listening skills sharpened by watching Mozart in the Jungle.

Me: That has a cute little romance built into it with the conductor and the oboist.

Husband: She doesn't stay with the dancer in the first season? He's a really good guy, and good looking.

Me: Hence why she doesn't stay with him. He has second lead written all over his character. Better looking than first lead, considerate of the girl, kind of a push over.

Husband: I'm the one that told you this last week after TLAHL! Second lead is much better than the first, couldn't get over how the first lead looked 12 y/o. The guy from WLKBJ should have played the first lead. Or the brother from that same show, or anyone else, actually.

Me: Too bad you're not watching Moonlight with me, first lead is much more compelling than the second and Park Bo Gum is adorable with a capital A-D-O-R-able.

Husband:* speaking to daughter* That's your mom's way of saying that if Bo Gum was walking across the street, you'd have a new dad.

Me: And if Rachel McAdams were walking next to him, you'd have a new mom.
*Daughter looking at us incredulously.*

Husband: It's a little known marriage clause. But have no fear, hon, Rachel probably will never make it to our street. No one would find us unless they were looking for us.

Me: It still doesn't make it any less true that Park Bo Gun is ADORABLE!!!

Daughter: Oh, is that the drama you've been watching, mom? With the girl who pretends to be a boy? He's the prince, right? He IS cute!

Me: *Winking at husband while mouthing, "I told you so!"*

Moral of the story: I'm going to have another kdrama-watching buddy yet!

2nd Moral: As cute as Bo Gum is, he's not replacing Gong Yoo in my marriage clause.

3rf Moral: USA, here we come!

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Ahahah that conversation with your hubby is hilarious and adorable! ?

And sounds like your stay in Italy has been quite amazing. ?

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Yes, quite amazing, and we haven't killed each other yet!

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Hahaha ?

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" That's your mom's way of saying that if Bo Gum was walking across the street, you'd have a new dad. "

This made me laugh so hard lol! I'm thinking she'd find it awkward to have a guy she finds cute as her new dad though haha.

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hahaha! Gong Yoo is damn lucky to be irreplaceable in your marriage clause. I always enjoy reading your conversation with your family.

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IKR!

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Heh! The conversation is quite amusing. I can just imagine the look on daughter's face. ?

Continue to have a great trip in Italy!

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He has second lead written all over his character. Better looking than first lead, considerate of the girl, kind of a push over.

OMGG this meeee when I see my friends in love triangles

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Your friends get into love triangles? Omg.

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All the time!! My male friends are the epitome of second leads and noble idiots. It's always fun and frustrating to watch, just like a drama

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I've dated many second leads and I'm sure someone will find your friends charming as first leads eventually!

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I try not to say "goals" in conversations, but you and your husband and the way you guys talk and watch shows together is definitely my "marriage goals." Haha. Lol @ your husband thinking Lee Hyun-woo looks like a 12-year-old! Ouch. Does he know he's actually older than the second lead by four years? Ha. Also, just realized they're both so young, omg. Also also, your daughter is a drama fan in the making! I can just ~feel~ it!

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No, we have no idea about ages of actors, for the most part. Asians look so much younger than they actually are by European/American standards and since we've both lived our lives in the states, pretty much everyone in dramas looks younger than they are. But LHW looks especially young to him.

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stormy in Estonia too, especially on the sea, my finnish group was late 3 hours. But they were stalled by other storms in a can on the way, too.
it is freezing here. absolutely freezing, we are wearing winter hats and gloves. even 20 degrees would seem like Africa right now.

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Sounds like I'd like it there!

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The storms, not the cold! I hate cold.

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Am I the only one who got the Flowers in the Attic reference? Hehe, first introduction to it at 12.

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I watched it at 10 and it still haunts me--it was at my best friend's house, whose mom had cable, and no parental oversight, apparently!

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Your family sounds too cute.

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Convo with your hubby is so hilarious. I got the same agreement with my hubby. If I get a "new boyfriend" as long as its one of my oppas from the drama - he is fine with it. His favorite is Jun Ji-hyun so i guess its safe to say he has nooooo chance at all. Mine still has a possibility ?

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Who would your oppa be?

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I’m back at OT, finally! :D

Done with exams, so I’ve got the entire summer in front of me and surprise! I’m gonna spend it watching lots and lots o’ dramas hehe. Obviously among other things, but since both mind and body is completely exhausted from exams, I’ll be lounging in bed marathoning dramas at least the entire weekend and then quite possibly the rest of the week. And maybe the rest of the vacation. But that would just be kind of sad lol.

So on that note – what should I watch first?

I have lots to catch up on and can’t really decide. I finished the latest eps of ManxMan, Suspicious Partner and My Secret Romance (just ep 13 of that left now!).

The ones on the top of my to-watch list for this summer:

2017 shows currently airing:
- Lookout
- Fight My Way
- Airing this weekend: Duel and Best Hit

New-ish, but completed shows yet to watch:
- Chicago Typewriter
- Defendant
- Tunnel (should I give it another try? Or is there a lot of talk about serial killer’s MO and stuff? If I can just look away, I’m fine, but serial killer shows tend to be hard to look away from, because the descriptions of their MO etc plays a part in the plot)

Old shows:
- Awl
- Ghost
- History of the Salaryman
- Liar Game
- Let’s Eat
- My Lawyer, Mr. Jo
- My Wife’s Having an Affair This Week
- Nine Times Time Travel (but I didn’t like W and QIHM, so I’m hesitant lol)

Halfway but don’t know if I can finish:
- Six Flying Dragons (because it’s a serious sageuk, it’s awesome though)
- Mystery Queen (at ep 5 and still find it really boring. Does it get any better?)

What do you think is the best ones to start with? I think I'll catch up on Lookout next and perhaps Fight My Way, but otherwise I'm not really sure.

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Lounging in bed marathoning dramas through out a whole vacation sounds heavenly ? lucky you!! Hope you have a great time! ?

In terms of dramas, I would recommend you start watching Chicago Typewriter. It's a really good show and I'm absolutely loving it! But have to warn you that it's kind of a slow burn show, the first few eps are a bit slow. But it really picks up later on ?

I'm loving Lookout so far. And Fight my way too. Both are good so far ?

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Thank you! ^^

CT is definitely way up my list, since I love books hehe. Thanks for the warning, I'll keep that in mind then!

Yay! I've been looking forward to them so much, happy to hear they're both good :D

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Haha yes, CT is a great show for book lovers! You will fall in love with the many many beautiful book shelves ?

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It's a picture of those bookshelves that convinced me to watch it haha ?

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I recommend you to start with funny and easy going shows to relax. Fight My Way, Let's Eat and History of a Salaryman fall in this category :)

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That might be a really good idea! Getting all that stress out of the body with lots of laughter heh.

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Yeah that's what I did after being done with exams :p

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Highly recommend Defendant!! The storyline was great and the cast was phenomenal!! It keeps you guessing and wanting more

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Everyone recommending different shows! Guess it just confirms my reasoning for putting all these shows on the top of my list haha :D
And thanks, glad to hear Defendant keeps you guessing, that's so rare!

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I highly recommend Fight My Way - it's my new crack! The chemistry between the leads is so good, it's been awhile since OTP thrills me like this. It's also a good romcom all around, it's light but realistic, it's funny but not slapstick, it's romance without being over the top.

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It's definitely the one I'll catch up on next, right after Lookout ^^

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That sounds perfect! I haven't checked it out yet, guess I know what I'll be chasing after Chicago Typewriter ends!

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"Circle" but I don't see it on your list.

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Thanks for the recommendation :)

I love sci-fi and TvN, so it's been on my radar for a while, but I don't really want to watch a show where half of its universe is plague-ridden O.O I'm also horrible at live watching thriller-ish shows lol, so if I do ever watch it'll be marathoned ^^

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You have to watch Circle!!

And Tunnel is worth it.

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@kaybee

Tunnel is must watch darl, is a very very groundbreaking show for me, i put it teeth to teeth to signal . Is very odd that 2shows can be so similiar, yet is very different. Genius.

Mystery Queen is cute scobby doo gang, and very Japanese dorama vibe. I like it tho.

History of Salaryman & 6 Flying Dragon is very interesting not all dramas can be these. Grab it while it serve..

I read ur checklist, sounds ur kinda drama ae similiar with mine.
I do want to check Awl & Liar game.

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I wasn't as big a fan of Signal as everyone else, but that was mostly due to Lee Jehoon's acting and the weird pressed image of the past-scenes. It's not darker or more graphic than Signal? If not then I could probably handle it :)

For some reason the humor just isn't striking a chord with me in Mystery Queen, but I've gotten this far, so now I kind of really want to finish it lol.

I've only heard great things about HoS and I did really like what I've senn of SFD, so I'll, hopefully get around to it this summer :D

I think Awl and Liar Game sounds amazing! And they're so short, so it'd be possible to one-day marathon them haha :b

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Signal is darker, give u an empty feeling for the after effect shock. It goosebumping me every time.

While watching Signal, it paints a dark mellow nuance the entire series. It gives u a thought of not so happy ending promise for the detective trio. Is a sad great heroic show.

While watching Tunnel, give me a hope, like a lit of little candle each step, and I believe they all will end the marathon in winning happily.

For the graphic, am not really sure. Bcs it depends on people standard. Maybe signal is more harsh.

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Thank you! That's a great help! ^^

If Signal is more harsh, then I can handle Tunnel :) And I like when shows are a bit hopeful, so that's nice.

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I recommend Liar Game, Tunnel and Fight My Way. Its agood mix of genres. ☺

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I *always* recommend Liar Game in any circumstance. It is perfect for de-stressing: no tragedy, no mayhem, no romantic distractions, just smart people solving puzzles and outsmarting each other; and Shin Sung-rok as the villain. Can't ask for more :-)

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Thank you both ^^

@delurker That sounds like my kind of drama! :D

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That's quite the list you got there. You're lucky that you've finished all your exams and now have time to watch more shows. My tests did not even start yet. As for series to start, personally, I would recommend Tunnel or Chicago Typewriter for current-ish shows. For older shows, Liar Game is a must watch. Also, I think 7 Day Queen is pretty good right now, that is if you like saeguks.

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I feel for you! Thanks for the recommendations ^^

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Thank you for the recs ^^ And yeah, all the shows on this list are ones I've heard mostly great things about, so I thought I'd finally get down to business and strike them off the list haha.

Liar Game is so high up the list it's ridiculous. Yet somehow I always end up watching something else? Soon though! I WILL WATCH IT! SOON!

I figured Defandent would be really intense, so I'm on the fence about starting it, but when I get some of my energy back I might get to it heh. Summer is the best time for shows like that, because then there's the sun and ice cream and stuffs to bring you back to a sunnier reality ;)

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Since everyone recommended different shows, I will voice my opinion on two shows that's on your list but didn't get mentioned a lot.

I just finished watching the first 2 episodes(30 minute each) of the Best Hit and I am reluctant to say if I like it or not. I get The Producers vibe from this show. This might be because a lot of the actors(such as Cindy's manager and Kim Tae Ho PD) from the Producers made a short appearance here. For now, the show doesn't seem too cohesive, but I will stick with it a bit longer. I did like The Producers after all despite having mixed feelings about it.

Nine: Nine Times Time Travel is unlike other time-slip shows. I have watched W, QIHM, Tunnel and Tomorrow with you. Nine is a lot more serious, but not grave in the way of the Signal. In Nine, the idea of time travel and consequences of it is dealt in a more profound way. I think the idea of time travel is best executed in here. So I would definitely recommend you to give it a try.

My current crack drama is Fight My Way!

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Thanks!

I loved Producers (despite the latter half being a bit too predictable and cliche), so that sounds good to me heh. Not being chosive enough seems to be going around lately. SP is at least also suffering from it lol.

I tend to stay away from time travel in dramas, because the logic fails become so apparent (unlike in movies where everything happens so fast). It's so highly recommended though, that I can't help but have hope ^^

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Hello! Another Friday and another week ends. There was an earthquake on the middle of the night last night iny part of the world. Thought I was hallucinating, though I was vindicated this morning :p Just didn't want to wake everyone up at home since I'd had a false alarm of the same sort last week.
In drama updates, Chicago Typewriter ends this week!!! I can't let go of it!
And I think Circle and Suspicious Partner are gonna be my new crack dramas- rounding out my drama genres nicely.
Spring premieres completely disrupt my sleep schedule in other words.

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Lol! Reminded me of Chicago Typewriter - how only Se-Joo's place went through an earthquake ?

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Oh how we relate real life to drama life!

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Haha IKR! ?

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I agree, Circle and Suspicious Partner are my crack dramas now after a long season of trying out different dramas. What a great time to be a Kdrama fan!

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Going through a little bit of turmoil in life these days - nothing too bad but a lot of uncertainty and stress. So dramas and Dramabeans have been such a great help in putting my mind at peace.

Waiting eagerly for the Chicago Typewriter finale, after which I know I'm going to cry buckets for sure. ? On one side I don't want it to end because I like it so much and also because I know the ending is going to be sad (Yoo ?) But at the same time I'm sooo curious to know what happens in the 1930s! Talk about emotional turmoil!

Started Fight my way last week but couldn't catch up this week's eps. It's a breezy watch, so I thought I'll take my time ?

Really loving Lookout. I can see plot holes here and there, but I'm okay to look over them. Love all the actors and how the story is developing.

And totally looking forward to The Best Hit this weekend! I need a dose of Yoon Shi Yoon in my life so badly! ?

Happy Friday beanies, hope you all have a great weekend ?

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I don't want Chicago Typewriter to end either but want to know the end sigh. This drama really knows hos to play with us.

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Yes such a dilemma it is! ?

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I dont even dare to touch it, I scare I will leave me brokenhearted when it ends.

Yoo Ah In breaks my heart too many times already when his shows end.

I am normal young woman graduated from decent uni, why kdrama & an actor could possibly do this to me? Haha

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Don't worry I'm a healthy student and he always breaks mine as well ha.

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Strangely I didn't like Yoo Ah In that much before CT. I almost didn't watch CT because of YAI ? but I totally totally fell for him after watching CT. He's so good!

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Same on Chicago Typewriter!

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We need tissues for finale episodes of CT ? Watched it raw, and now I don't know what to do.

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Omo did you watch? I'm thinking of watching both episodes together. I saw some clips on YouTube and man they have tragedy written all over them ? we will surely need loads and loads of tissues!

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Man I also wanted to do the same, but the impatient me just click on the video ? I wanted to see the ending first, so I would prepare myself well. But... hmm.

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I can understand the impatience though. I'm struggling to keep myself from watching ep 15. ?

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Busy with marathoing chicago typewriter this whole week , waiting for final 2 episodes.
I am exciting and restless, dying to know what happened in 1930.

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Same!! So many mixed emotions!!

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Hi Beanies !

I'm going to Germany this Sunday (studying there for a month) and I'm not sure if there will be Wi-Fi in my accommodation. I don't want to be away from my precious dramas and from the site's new features T__T

Last Saturday, there was the first edition of the Japan Experience where I live. It's a mini convention about mangas, animes, video games and cosplay. The best part was the cosplayers and the dance cover group who covered both Jpop and Kpop songs. For a first edition, there were a lot of problem with the organization but it lets people space to improve the next edition :)

This week's premieres is giving me mixed feelings. I love sageuk and the bloodier they are, the happier I am (I'm not crazy, I swear !). Seven Day Queen succeeded in grabbing my attention with the King Yeonsangun. I just love him and his twisted thinking. I'm glad to see him after Rebel and Lee Dong Gun's Yeonsangun is horrifying captivating. I'm so ready for angst !

I can't say the same for My Sassy Girl. The slapstick humor is really not working for me and these scenes last too long. The shortest gags are the best imo. I loved the movie and if it's going in the same direction, I will stick for a few episodes.

The Best Hit is making me really curious. A time-tr avel comedy with an idol from the 90s ? I'm in !

I anticipate The Duel's premiere the most. More mystery please.

Father is Strange : I'm really curious how the one-year marriage internship will turn out for Hye Young and Jung Hwan. I want Father to tell the truth to Jung Hee because I don't want to see him hurt more after trying to bond with him. Min Ha (Uncle's son) is intelligent and mature for his age as seen in previous episodes and is ready to sacrifice his possibility to enter Science High school. He should talk with his parents because Aunt will try her best to earn money to send him to Science High school while Uncle is already doing bad financially with his part-time jobs. Knowing Uncle, he will not be more motivated to find a full-time job, he will spend his time pitying himself. Joon Young is slowing his Uncle steps and there is a big difference. Yu Ju is not like Aunt, she is career driven and is not as supportive as her. Btw I hated the employees' behavior at work and the shift of manager was a dirty move. After what happened at work, I understand her reaction when Joon Young tried to console her. His sweet words don't work against realistic problems. The honeymoon phase is ending and now their real marriage is beginning. Ra Young and Chul Soo are now dating. Cute.

Happy Friday :D

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I am also curious how the marriage will turn out. Saw the preview, seems like the progress is quite fast ? Oh Min Ha-can I adopt him? He is such a sweetheart and independent too. His conversation with his father was the best part.

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I don't know how their marriage will turn out but it won't be what Hye Young planned. It seemed like Min Ha was parenting his dad haha. What a good kid.

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Yes, but it could explain as well that marriage is not always turned out as we expected, which in reality it is. She is going to learn valuable experiences. I do think the contract and internship are something refreshing especially in the modern world we are living, nothing can guarantee everything. Someone can love us dearly today, but next month he/she could cheated on us. The contract as a commitment for both parties to do the best for their marriage - i love this idea.

Min Ha is a very good kid. His parents must be proud to have him as his son.

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I am also curious about the one year marriage internship. It's just so Hye Young to come up with such a scheme as a compromise. However, no matter how thoroughly thought out her contract is, I suspect it won't be as easy.

It's really sweet how JH tries to bond with Papa Byun. Contrast that with the elder brother's whining about how neglected he feels because of Papa Byun but does nothing to rectify the situation. However, I agree that JH would be more hurt if he learns the truth about his birth later rather than sooner. Papa Byun should tell him the truth before JH is in too deep into the relationship. And I really like the relationship between JH and MY to start, like right now. I can imagine the hijinks that would occur between them. It would be too hilarious!

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The mothers are surely going to ruin what Hye Young originally planned.

Actor and Byun Manager are too cute. I want to see them have a proper love relationship so please Father don't hide the truth anymore.

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I have to agree that Lee Dong-gun as Yeonsangun is quite interesting. Like he's going to become unhinged at any moment.

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I agree. I can't wait to see him losing his head as episodes go by.

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I want to watch 7days queenn!!!
The only 2 reasons i havent :

-Is the show pace slow?

-The male lead is too weak in TV presence nor charisma compare LDG. Okay maybe LDG's height is too intimidating?

They should cast like Heirs tiger vs lion, LMH x KWB both got the star power, it just the writer are too sucks in their gaze forgot how to write a drama.

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Yeon Woo Jin in my opinion is better actor than Lee Dong Gun and in fact better than Lee Min Ho & Kim Woo Bin as well.. He may not very charismatic and no star power, but once you connect with his subtle expressions and emotions, you will be totally invested. His character in Introvert Boss & Arang enough to convince me.

Lee Dong Gun is playing a tyrant King, so that's why he appears to be more charismatic. He needs to. Anyway, If I have a reason to fully watch this drama, YWJ is the main reason.

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I think both of them are fit with each other role - one is tyrant King, the other one is incompetent. Maybe understsanding about each character can help you to see why they casted these two actors in their own respective role.

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Like @seralovestteobokki said LDG has to be charismatic because of his character. YWJ is a more a subtle actor imo and we will get to see him soon.
It's still too early to know if the space is slow because we are still in the childhood part.

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The show has the perfect pacing! I couldn't ask for more. The storytelling is really tight so far. I have really short attention span but I was focused the whole time.

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Hi, I also studied in Germany for a month long long time ago. I still remembered how I had to borrow internet access from my host family and the Uni. Great times! Enjoy your stay.

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Thanks :D Haha that sounds cool ! Hope I will have a great time too.

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Today, my friends and Iwere so stress with crazy and fussy clients ? So we ordered pizza and many other side dishes to release out stress after working hours, and I suggested My Sassy Girl (actually it was randomn choice lol) to my friends to release our stress. Surprisingly, they laughed so hard ? Maybe because they are not so regular to kdrama, so they're having lots of fun with all the crazy acts by the heroine lol. Now they asked me to update them for every new epi. ? I was quite surprised with their reaction. Last month, I suggested My Girl to them and and they enjoyed it. I tried to suggest Goblin but they're not very interested with the past lives etc. In short, I still cannot make them fangirling any actor but at least I managed to convince them to watch kdrama ? My friends mostly are too committed with works and not into kdrama. I tried to suggest Suspicious Partner as well but they refused to watch because of legal drama, and they had enough of legal stuffs already ? Now i am convincing them to start Fight My Way. I hope it will be a success lol.

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Haha convincing friends (and then succeeding) to watch kdrama is the best thing ever! ?

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True. But it is so hard to get them fangirl anyone lol! They are just watching without having a feeling to know more about any actor. LOL.

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Haha, if I remember right I too was like that when I first started watching dramas. A little detached. But now I'm obsessed! So maybe with time your friends too will come around ?

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i just have a feeling that they would love Fight My Way.

...and is it just me or is it a different kind of fulfillment when you get people around you like the dramas you watch? best when they get more addicted than you are.

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Yes I thought the same too. ❤ Some shows are great to watch together with friends, such as Fight My Way.

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cheering up: watch Choi Siwon in variety. Or in dramas. He is so ridiculously funny.

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Loving Fight My Way also. Watched it because of KJW and ended up falling in love with the four leads and their individual stories.

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The 100 point survey recently had me thinking about how China's sanctions on Kdrama have not only sent Park Hae Jin back to Korea's small screen, but also may have finally turned Korea's eyes Westward in search of a focus market.

If Korea has set its sights on a Western audience, what platform would be best for them to market to? I came into Kdrama through Hulu. Others have come into it through Netflix. And that's great for catching an audience. But the offerings are limited. I think the offerings being limited are the single biggest detriment to every legal streaming site.

I like Viki's format best, among all the legal streaming sites. I like the flexibility of subtitles. Is it just me, or does it have a larger number of non-English subtitles? Is has also started its “learn Korean” mode, but even before that you could switch the subs to Korean to practice your Hangul reading. I find it more user friendly than DramaFever. I'm surprised sometimes though at the shows that aren't streamed on Viki. This week alone, not licensed in my region are My Secret Romance, Circle, Lookout, Ruler Master of the Mask, Man to Man, Bad Thief Good Thief, Radiant Office. These aren't even offered: Golden Pouch, Love is Drop by Drop. If it's not on the licensed list, does it usually make it there in time? Is there a way the Powers That Be in Korea could expedite the licensing?

DramaFever seems to have more, but somehow I find their layout offputting. Hulu doesn't even let you browse anymore without having an account, which prompts me to look for alternatives, because how can I sign up for something if I don't know how much it offers.

The way to cut down on illegal sites, I think, would be to aggressively license dramas early in their season so that the alternatives aren't as appealing, and to widen the scope of dramas licensed. I don't think selling the license to a single distributor is a sustainable option (like Nightlight on...Netflix, was it?)

Any thoughts on how Korea should market to the Western audience?

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As a follow up to marketing to a Western audience (does anyone else notice the experimental turn of some of the most recent dramas—Mystery Queen set up for a Season 2 (whether it comes to be or not is another questions), lower romance elements and more action in Circle, Man to Man's higher action, more like a Bond theme...it has a more Western feel than Korean feel to me. Maybe also influenced by Chinese action dramas (Park Hae Jin is home from the Chinese scene now, after all)? Strong Woman probably wasn't meant to imitate Western ways, but it was kind of cartoony in a flawed way. My Secret Romance also thought the audience didn't need rising plot tension or a satisfying character arch. I know some people were satisfied with just the pretty, but so much more could have been done with that one. Making the kid the real son of the OTP, and spending a few episodes of angst on whether or not the he loved her or just wanted to claim his kid—having both of them work through that—alone would have vastly improved the plot.

I just want to say that if Kdrama tries to imitate Western drama, I'll probably lose interest. I don't want excess violence and shock value, overly sexualized romance themes, slice of life or multi season dramas without rising plot tension, slapstick or cartoonish caricatures. I can get all that domestically (and one of the reasons I don't watch American TV is because I don't like being shocked or mindlessly led: I want to be entertained and enlightened). One of my peeves about Kdrama though is when porn is almost product placed, as in High School King of Savvy, where she says he's just a high schooler, so it's normal/acceptable for him to look at porn, or Healer, where he's awarded with a locker of videos of a certain nature for his efforts in martial training. It raises my Human Rights and feminist hackles any time this kind of comment is made, and makes me have an anti-crush on the up until then actor who was doing so well at winning my loyalty. But. If you're going to treat my sisters like that, then you are out! (Girls before flower boys!!)

What I think Korea does well, and shouldn't sacrifice when trying on a new audience is this:

An ideal 16 episode length which allows book-like character growth and complex plot without dragging on too long as a multi-season and making the wrong people sleep together because the script writer has run out of new plot material...(which is what ruined Switched at Birth and Cover Affairs for me and which sparked my search for something better...resulting in Kdrama).

Not slice of life: rising tension sustained throughout the episodes instead to culminate in a satisfying ending. Slice of life doesn't have an ending, so it doesn't matter if I watch it all or not.

Emotional realism, even if the plot might be unlikely to really occur. Rising emotional tension/arc, and having reasons for the emotions that are real (unlike current Jdrama Boku no Unmei no Hito where a guy...

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I agree. (Though about that Healer scene, I was disgusted until he was totally repulsed by the 'gift'; it made me love Healer more!)

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I tend to agree with most of your comments. I have a very fast Internet connection and a subscription to a VPN so have pretty much total access. Never-the-less I hate waiting between weekly viewings so I tend to download all episodes and binge view. I think Boku no Unmei no Hito is very interesting. The Japanese have a much more honest approach to sex and relationships in my view. I particularly dislike the moralistic (and I think hypocritical view) and controlling attitude of Christian teaching. My daughter went to an Anglican school that is celebrating it's 450th anniversary ( they have only had girls since 1975) it was academically good but I hated it's moralising self-righteous attitude. It does a lot of harm I think.

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There are many considerations to be had when comparing the series/season format of western shows (WS) to the usual single series/season format of Asian dramas (AD). There are usually multiple writers/directors/producers for WDs as opposed to one or two for ADs. Since WS tend to be a labor of love over years as opposed to months, it requires a greater commitment from all those involved in making it. So actors tend to want to leave and try new things which can mess up the storyline and so on. The desire to make money and keep a stable job could also influence why some shows stay on longer than they should--Supernatural is a good example of this IMO. I think Asian dramas have two options when it comes to series episode formats. They could do the more than 16 episode run format, or they could have a two to three season run. There are arguments for and against both, and it could be a long list, but my main interest here would be character and story development. One of my biggest pet peeves with Kdramas sometimes is pacing. Far too many drama don't take advantage of the 16 episodes they have, only to rush things during the final 2 episodes. When it comes to slice of life, I think time skips are used not often enough, especially for short format shows.

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I watched my first K-Drama on Netflix and checked out a couple more on Hulu. It seems that Netflix would be the best platform to introduce to the Western audience since it has millions of subscribers globally and the software does a great job identifying and targeting niche audience who might be interested in different genres of K-drama.

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Highly agree with your opinion of American multi-season TV shows and how most writers and producers can't handle crafting the plot and character development over the seasons. I think many of JJ Abrams' shows have been an exception to this, but for the most part the shows fall apart over time (see Sleepy Hollow as a good example of this).

It leaves me concerned with what will become of The Good Doctor on ABC. I think they've picked a good leading man, but what will happen in a potentially multi-season format with this show?

Ironically, there are some KDramas that I think might adapt well to a multi-season format. You mentioned Man X Man. I also think W would be a great candidate for development as an American show. The concept is really great, somewhat quirky, and I think would appeal to a lot of geeks and SF&F fans. I think it would be fairly easy to expand that world or create multiple worlds (do other authors' works create their own individual worlds, or is it all part of the comic book world?).

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Man x Man would adapt over well--but maybe better as a British/007 Mr. Bean/Johnny English sort of way?

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I think Korea should NOT try to imitate American TV. So many of us pick Korean TV over American for a reason--because it's NOT the same. The biggest two draws for me are the drama format (I vastly prefer an actual beginning, middle, and ending over slice of life series that peter out and get canceled when the public gets bored), and cleaner TV. I get annoyed when sex and violence (and even excessive special effects) are prioritized over actual storytelling and character growth. I don't want shock value, I want the meat of a good story.

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And yes, I think if they want to market to a western audience, there are things in the marketing department they could think through a little more. I think they underestimate how popular Kdramas are outside of Korea. I know it sounds good to a specific site to have an exclusive license, but the Korean side is losing out on a lot of viewers who may not be subscribed to that one particular site. (Viki vs. Drama Fever, for example.) Also, I think they could do a better job at licensing soundtracks outside of Korea. People want to give them money for music and dramas! But it's hard when they don't make it available.

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I think awareness is creeping into American popular culture. I just watched a rom-com on Netflix starring Chris Evans in which they reference "Korean soap operas" as being very romantic. They even parodied a scene with the leads acting out a historical scene while speaking in Korean.

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The movie is Playing It Cool. Lots of bad language and sexual talk, which reminded me why I turned to Asian dramas. I'm not a prude, but too much is off putting in any language.
Also western actors don't seem to be sipping at the eternal fountain of youth as Korean actors. I guess must be a combination of genetics, expensive dermatologists and camera filters.

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If Korea has set its sights on a Western audience, what platform would be best for them to market to? I came into Kdrama through Hulu. Others have come into it through Netflix. And that's great for catching an audience. But the offerings are limited. I think the offerings being limited are the single biggest detriment to every legal streaming site.

Netflix reaches has more than 80 million subscribers in 200 different countries (Ingram, "Netflix Is Winning the Streaming Race—But for How Long?"). Amazon Prime is not to far behind in terms of reach. Both companies have and can spend billions per year in creating, producing, and acquiring content. The only issue here is region accessibility. A good example would be Man to Man. Interestingly enough, Netflix has acquired licenses for a ton of Asian dramas recently, to their library is expanding. So I would say that both Netflix and Amazon Prime are both good candidates for Asian drama exposure.

I'm surprised sometimes though at the shows that aren't streamed on Viki. This week alone, not licensed in my region are My Secret Romance, Circle, Lookout, Ruler Master of the Mask, Man to Man, Bad Thief Good Thief, Radiant Office.

Many of those shows are exclusives to one streaming service or another. Man to Man is a Netflix exclusive, My Secret Romance and Radiant Office are both DramaFever exclusives. This is where is think DramaFever trounces Viki. They usually have more exclusives, and if a drama is a Viki exclusive, its license tends to get acquired by DramaFever eventually--and rarely vice versa. Furthermore, for all the good that is the Viki translation initiative, they generally take much longer to fully sub an episode compared to DramaFever--the difference between 95% and 100% subbed is significant sometimes.

The way to cut down on illegal sites, I think, would be to aggressively license dramas early in their season so that the alternatives aren't as appealing, and to widen the scope of dramas licensed. I don't think selling the license to a single distributor is a sustainable option (like Nightlight on...Netflix, was it?)

Monopolies and competition aside, one of the biggest problems legal streaming services may often run into is money and a consumer's willingness to spend. Sure, one site only costs $5.00 a month, but another costs $9.99, and so on. When you combine costs to watch legally, it really does add up to a tidy sum that many can't afford. Furthermore, sites tend to increase their subscription costs from time to time.

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Every since I stumbled on Dramabeans 5 years ago, it became something I check and read almost everyday. However, I started to come by less and less over the past 2 years. I thought I would eventually stop or just visit very occasionally. That changed when Dramabeans got revamped. I'm not only back to checking in everyday but several times a day unless I am travelling or up to my neck in work.

The Fan Wall is a fantastic place to put up my thoughts be it a random one or related to a drama. I hate to admit this but I do feel better when my upvotes increases ?. As for downvotes, I am past being indignant. I just shrug and continue to say what I want even if I am quite sure I'd get downvoted. Strangely, the downvotes always happen when I least expect it ?.

Most of all, I enjoy bantering, raving and ranting with fellow beanies! So a BIG Thank You to DB for this imperfect but absolutely best place to share our drama obsession with others.

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Hear hear! ^^

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Hehe .. to be honest I'm REALLY afraid I would get downvotes one day. Appareantly, that hasn't happened yet. But yes to your comment, I think we can always say what we want to say, or express our thoughts about dramas as long as they are not rude or absolutely unbearable.. I do feel very good when I get upvotes but I also always try to be satisfied even I don't get any upvotes for any comment.

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Yes @ checking DB all day, errrday. The addiction has only gotten worst after the site's revamp. It's 'kay.

I'm a sucker for upvotes, too. It just looks so ~nice~. Downvotes on the other hand, looks so ugly. I'm mostly over it, but I have to admit I'd probably still be annoyed if I got another one because like you, they sometimes come outta nowhere and I'm just like, "Okay, but what'd I say?" After getting 7 (lol) downies, I'm just like, expecting 'em now.

And yaaaasssss, DB is absolutely one of the best places on the 'net! *finger hearts*

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I think we all like the Wall. It's been quite fun interacting with the Beanies! ?

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Thumbs up for almost every of this. I'm still groping my way around once in every while, especially when I want to read a certain thread (ratings, open threads or what we're watching) but they're not neatly categorised under Extras or Recaps, but I love the Fan Wall feature.

I can understand the frustrating and disheartening of receiving a downvote. However over time I keep telling myself that I wouldn't trade my voice for one fewer downvote, so I'm kind of settled with my four and growing downvotes now :P

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I see now that beanies are very positive about downvotes.. that's such a nice thing! hehe I now decided that I no longer am going to be afraid of getting downvotes.. hmm okayy.

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Yess! I check DB so often now within a day. It's like a drug ?

I got my first down vote for a comment I made saying I like Chan Young in Liar. I was a little worried about that but then realized that down votes are just a show of different opinions - which is a good thing. So I'm taking it very positively now ?

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Agreed! There is no one around me who watches K-dramas so Dramabeans provides a wonderfully positive and safe space for me to squee with fellow beanies. Thank you Beanies to makes me feel less crazy about some of my reactions and lessening my guilt over my addiction!

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Hahaha, I just noticed that the Open Thread banner states that this site is "K-drama Addicts Anonymous." Indeed!

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"The Fan Wall is a fantastic place to put up my thoughts be it a random one or related to a drama."
Love it and I am having fun with it!

I honestly don't care about downvotes. I'm far from perfect and eventually I'd get on someone's last nerves lol.

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I am having fun with the fan wall too. I love posting my fave videos and sharing them with the rest of the beanies, though they might not be popular among the beanies, but well... who knows?

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Sageuks and films are not popular here but that's what I love and I don't mind having a conversation with myself every once in a while lol.

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I like both!

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Who cares about the petty downvotes when we can get upvotes as many as we can lol. ? I noticed some ppl downvotes to troll, so just ignore them. They are having fun while in disguise.

Frankly I downvoted few times before, because I didn't take it very seriously, I just thought downvoting someone is not mean anything personal, it is just merely a symbol of disagreement without having to write reply. But after seeing many reactions, maybe the downvotes is not a very good thing to be a part of feature here. I used to downvotes a lot in Disqus because some commentators tend to give nasty comments, and then I just blocked these ppl so I don't have to read those comments at all.

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"I don't care about -ve vote, then goes on to make 5+ comments on the same thing. I chuckled. SNS has really changed the mindset of most users. Virtual -ve having effect on them. I usually get surprised when people take this stuff way too seriously.

Any kind of nonsense and dangerous act for likes/retweets/shares/hearts/pins.

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Hi Everyone! ....... I hope you are all doing well today!

This week:

Whisper - So tragic that Young-joo's dad had to die like he did, having to record that statement.

Fight My Way - It's fun watching the two leads s-l-o-w-l-y  realize what's going on between them.

Suspicious Partner - Decided to give this a try and I've watched the first 2 (er, 4 episodes).  I don't know what's going to happen, actually, yes I do, but that's ok ..... I'm along for the ride with this one!

Seven Day Queen - This is the first time I'm watching Lee Dong-gun in a drama, and oh wow, he's making quite the impression as King Yeonsangun.

That's all for now. ....... Everyone take care and have a great Friday!

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you are doing it again. savouring while we the rest are half finished with our ice cream.

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I know. I know. ..... It's what I do.

At this rate, I will be starting Chicago Typewriter around Christmas time and Circle in the month of February. ? ?

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Good morning, Beanies! Hope this Friday finds everyone well. I ran across this article that indicated some loosening up of the recent Chinese restrictions on Korean entertainment and thought some of you would like to read it.
http://www.hancinema.net/china-eases-up-on-thaad-boycott-of-korea-106186.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hancinema%2FAUJj+%28HanCinema+Daily+News%29

I'm looking forward to Monday already for more Fight My Way.

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Thanks for sharing the hope!

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What they don't mention in that article is that one reason they are loosening restrictions is because in China k-dramas are far more popular than nearly all c-dramas. When China imposed the restrictions, the number of VPN's went up hugely.

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Are there many Beanies out there watching "Father Is Strange"? It is the first family drama for me being relatively recent being sucked into the K-drama rabbit hole.

Lee Joon is doing a great job to make us feel sympathetic to his half-assy and sort-of-vain character. I surprise myself with a up-in-the-air fist pump when his character nailed his scene.

I also cannot get enough of Lee Joon's hilarious petty jealousy without much self-awareness in the show. I find petty jealousy and couple bickering insufferable in real life but in Dramaland they are two of my favorite things to watch!

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I am watching FIS, and loving every single moment of it. I love Lee Joon, and how now he is trying to recover lost time with his father. I love how he is a son and part of the family, and not the superstar Ahn when he is with Papa Byun. But when he is at work, he is the superstar Ahn who is incorrigible and haughty.

I also love the petty jealousy he now exhibits whenever MY is speaking to that judo actor. It's so cute. Please, Papa Byun, tell him the truth now so that he can love freely without second guessing himself whether he is treating MY the way he does a sister or something more.

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I'm enjoying Actor Ahn and his petty jealousy so much that it's not healthy. Lee Joon is doing a great job and you can't help but root for him.

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I have only seen Lee Joon before in "Heard It Through the Grapevine" and now so excited to see him exercising such great comedic muscles.

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I loved Heard It Through The Grapevine such an underrated germ. His performance as a serial killer was really great in Gap-dong but it's not one of his best work.

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He is talented actor. I hope by the absence of some actors, he will get some chance to lead weekday drama. But he is '88 liners so he will soon be enlisted too. Hopefully he gets one chance to do it before his enlistment.

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The plot moves fairly quickly considering the 50-episode trajectory so I am hoping that the truth comes out soon too! I don't want to see once MY catching on her own feelings that both of them will have drawn-out angst over fauxcest. Like Laica said in "What We Are Watching": "Come on, Show, fauxcest is so 2005."

I still cannot get over the fact that fauxcest is legit term and trope in Dramaland!!

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Happy Friday, Beanies!

Just got back from a hiring event. Now we wait.

I haven't been active on DB as much this week because y'know, ~life~. Of course I still check every day, but I miss chatting w/ everyone and I hope I get to do more of that a little bit later!

Can y'all believe I haven't had time to watch and catch up on my shows this week yet? Guess what I'm doing tonight and all weekend~~~! My current show schedule look a little like this:

- Tunnel (I literally have like, two minutes left on the finale)
- Ruler (has our puppy stop playing noble idiot and is now back to making googly eyes at our other puppy yet?)
- Fight My Way (SO. MUCH. FUN!)
- Lookout (SO. DAMN. GOOD)
- Man x Man (been really slacking on this one)
- Happy Together (Idk why they added four new hosts, but I'm gonna be more optimistic about it!)
- Entertainment Weekly

Siri told me it's gonna rain all day errrday, so yay, I get to escape the nasty heat for a little bit!

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They added FOUR new hosts to HT??? Don't they have like, five, already???

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Had to count on my fingers, but YES, they do already have five! That's why I was like, "Wait, what!? Why?" when I started watching the new ep. It's their 500th episode and apparently it's filled with stars (which, yay), but then they're all like, "We're gonna talk about/to old hosts, guests, new guests, and new hosts that'll join our Happy Together family! Cheer cheer!" Haha, it's a lot to take in and I actually haven't even finished the ep, but I'll just see where it goes. I just feel bad that the show feels the need to go through so many format changes, but I guess it's all to make a more positive reception of the show.

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O.O
That sounds... exhausting...

I still think their best concept was the wooden sauna-set and Late Night Cafe. Man those eps were fun. Now it all seems to depend on the guests tbh. Like the "Online Boyfriend Special" was only fun because of Roy Kim, Sang Ryul and the guy sitting at the far left. And the "Scene Stealer Special" was mostly funny because of Lee Si Un's outing everyone and also Kim Byung Ok. I still have no clue what the young, female host's name is. I do not see the point in her being there, except for attracting male viewers, which is ridiculous, since they never had any gorgeous looking hosts of either gender before and the ratings were even better then lol.

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I only watched the Jo In Sung and Kwang Soo part and not everyone could talk when there were 5 MCs and with 4 new ones it's insane.

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I agree its insane!

I actually love when they revamp into new living room set around mid 2016? When 1d2n came as guest, shinhwa, etc. A lot of damn funny episodes come from that period.

It is very relaxing, easy n comfy seating for guest as well. I dont know why the need to change the set to like outdoor/cute farm where they sit in tiny bench (dog special eps, roy kim new eps) .

I stop watching it now.

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I thought I heard they were going to rotate now that they had 9. Like have 5 hosts on each show, but they could pick from the pool of 9.

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I am very captivated by Lookout too. The action, the suspense... I am very vested in the vigilante group, and how they will catch the teenage boy in the end for murdering Yuna.

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I am still very disappointed that they removed the late night snack session, that was the best! I am now only watching if the guests interest me, like when Kang Ha Neul and Kim Seul Gi guested (still my no 1 fave episode of all HT episodes!)

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I just finished watching that HT ep!
Yep yep, adding another 4 hosts seems annoyingly unnecessary. They said next ep host will be split into two every other week, but still u.u
The living room format is nice and comfy imo, some great episodes there. I do wish they bring back sauna and late-snack program :(
I like Hyun Kyung (the female host) and when given chances she is good but she is too quiet :(

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Hi all - and especially those of you good people who like or love Hwang Chi Yeul (shoutout to maryxiah) I am so excited because I went to watch his concert for the first time last Sunday! He held a mini-concert here in Singapore and everything I've read about his live stages is true - his performances are simply awesome.

Am also lso eagerly anticipating his mini album "Be Ordinary" which will be released on 13 June. I've already made my pre-order :)

Here are two clips :

One is a heartwarming clip (01:08 to 01:14) - an adorable HCY fan (80 years young) briefly gets his attention:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1iT76a70a4&t=4s

HCY sang a Chinese song which I've always hoped he'd perform again - this is his cover of "Silence":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt-IRJLeFXQ&t=13s

Regarding "Ruler" I have some catching up to do but am a bit disappointed that HCY's OST is now no longer played during the closing credits. But I can't complain really, it's been played for the last couple of weeks already :)

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I've really enjoyed all the new dramas that have recently been released. The romance has been refreshing in a lot of them.

My personal favourites have been:
Fight for my Way!
Suspicious Partner

The romance between characters have been so finely woven and crafted.
In fight for my way, it's so cute how the main characters are always there for each other to count on each other's back. They're so comfortable with each other, they're dying to be with each other (their constant body-touching and "don't touch me's" but they just don't "know" it yet. Arghh this is such a sweet drama like if you haven't watched it WATCH IT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU ARE MISSING OUT SO MUCH.

For suspicious partner, again this romance is so adorable. It's a so-called one sided love; but not really - the heroines love interest cares for her, finds her interesting, and can't help but feel jealous when she's with other guys. Okay, to sum it up, I'm bad at summarising it, but it's literally got me GIGGLING BC CHANG JI WOOK IS JUST wow. HIS VISUALS I BSJSK. The heroine fangirls just like us viewers on the screen -- she's just so relatable ahahhh

Tl;dr
DROP YOUR PHONE
AND WATCH THESE TWO DRAMAS

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I'm watching SP and I was thinking of watching Fight my Way next because I really like Park Seo-Joon and I'm a sucker for cute romance.

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But... I use my phone to watch dramas. XD

Anyway, I currently watch Suspicious Partner and your fangirling are echoing my thoughts. Lol. I wonder if Ji-wook will still do skinship with the wall after episode 8 (15,16).

Fight My Way - I can't find the time to watch it so I regularly read the recaps instead. I could just imagine Park Seo-joon and Kim Ji-won's chemistry, and know that they're sizzling. I'll marathon it maybe before its penultimate episode. Hehe. Friends to lovers is the genre closest to my heart after all.

Also another drama on my plate - Circle. If you're a sucker for thriller/sci-fi done right, you'll most likely fall in love with the show. Let the two dramas you mentioned above satisfy the romance part, and Circle (and SP, perhaps) will keep your head spinning around, looking for answers.

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My confession! I have the bad habits to read blind items about K-celebrities. And some of them are so legit and I have to admitted that it affected my mood while I watch these celebrities in K-drama.

But the worse one is ..... "A" was known for his gambling habits and his hobbies to dating around but in drama he's such a pure person and everybody praised him. He treated his fans nicely. He's such a perfect oppa in fandom.

One of my best friend is "A" die-hard fan. She talked like 24 hours about him. Well, it's so painful to see her so blindly in fangirling on him but I also don't want to lose one of my best friend. I guess I need to keep this secret into my grave lol

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I've always wondered if "his hobbies to dating around but in drama he's such a pure person and everybody praised him. He treated his fans nicely. He's such a perfect oppa in fandom" applies to many kcélébrités. Since everyone pretty much has to act like the purest person out there.

Just leave her be and maybe she'll "accidentally" read the same article

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Yeah, I hope she will find out soon.. Tbh, I don't hate him.. Just a little bit sad (?) I still watch his drama even after found out about it lol. He's a good Actor after all.

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Do you mind sharing the name of the actor? I'm super curious

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Oh.My.God! Please don't be curious... He probably not someone you knew..

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Just curious, where do you read these and how do you tell which is legit?

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instiz.. Well, some hints are so obviously.. especially when you love K-Drama and you will easily spotted it lol

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I googled it...eh, it looks like some sort of chart? I must have gotten the wrong one.

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LMAO... I think I'm digging my own grave if I share you the direct link.

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Is it pann-choa at blogspot?

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I love blind gossips! Where do you read Kworld ones and is it in English?

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instiz or Pann

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