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Open Thread #505

Happy Friday everyone!

Here is your Open Thread, which is here for you to chat about anything you want, whether it be drama-related or not. Nothing’s off-topic here! Spoilers may be rife, so proceed accordingly.

 
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Hi,

The Real Life Kdrama moment of the week:

Today is St. Johns´ day here, but it is also a birthday of a relative who is really chatty and sort of frustrating and all her parties end up with total drama themselves. My parents wanted me to go in their stead, but I said I have work till 5pm, when in reality I am playing hooky and cleaning house. I really really don´t want to meet this relative, sheis too mean and nasty to me. But if I ran errands, there was a chance of running into my parents, who had the day off. So I thought long and hard whether I should go outside at all. But my fridge was empty and the shops will be closed 3 days for the national holiday so... I prepared well from the start: put on some old clothes in a weird combination that I thought they would not recognise from afar, and a hooded jacket. Same neighborhood...Then I cracked my head whether to go to the supermarket first or the farmers´ market. The air was clear in the supermarket. Then I came to the farmers market to buy fresh bread and salad... and walked right past my dad! But he wasnt paying attention, airhead as he is, so I pulled the hood over my head and hid behind salad and walked more or less bravely past. You know, when people run away from someone they don´t want to see in dramas using trays and newspapers... I sneaked around the stands like a ninja and used other people & tourists´ suitcases as a cover to reach a flower shop, so I could keep my eye on him through the glass, pretending to admire cactuses. And he was right where I wanted to go, waiting in line for bread. Drat! I needed bread, so I risked everything, inched slowly and took a spot in the line, hiding behind salad again. I think the baker thought I was nuts (I wasn´t sure of my sanity myself). when my dad was leaving the shop I was glued to the wall like a gekko, But I got my bread! Saved by a hooded jacket and greens.

anyway, let´s hope there will be no "I saw a crazy person in the market who looked like you!" later when I go to St. Johns´ eve bonfire and concert with them.

drama watching: Lookout (they are sop broken and lost and I just wish for a peaceful existence for them. Cant really fit into my head "Taekie appa" being so evil and his son is a mystery. Did he really push the girl? I think I fell into a trap), Circle (how do do sci fi if all you have is a very good script), Suspicious Partner (such a well balanced drama that turns expectations on its head), The Best Hit (funny!), Woman of dignity (such derailed individuals!)

but now, let´s have a stuffed toy battle. Best stuffed toy wingman in korean dramas?

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Hahaha....somehow reading how you were trying to go incognito under the hoodie reminded me of Bomi in Lookout.

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in Europe we celebrate St. Johns on 24th of June - it's a magical night - the shortest one and when together with full moon the medicinal herbs have much more power - we're doing the fire as well and in my culture the guys were jumping over the big fire to show off who is the strongest one amongst them ;-)

next time put a mask with that hoodie and you'll be totally k-drama character :-D

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yeah, we too, the bonfire is tonight in most places, St Johns´ day tomorrow. plus it is also a Victory day for us and there is a parade and stuff.

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are you from Estonia? I will do the baltic way once when I quitte my job...

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YES! come pay a visit to Seaplane Harbour AS well

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>> magical night
>>with full moon the medicinal herbs have much more power

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As I just finished the series over this past weekend I'd have to say Go Byung-hee's stuffed toy (I think it was a fox?) in What's Up Fox. No idea what's its name but it carried Park Chul-soo's love letter inside and eventually managed to get the message to its intended. A true wingman if you ask me.

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Piggy Bunny from You're Beautiful is my favorite stuffed toy! I want one so much!

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Mine is perhaps the toy from I can hear your voice which recorded messages

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Best stuffed wingman: Mr. Buckwheat!
Goblin: *worried* Mr. Buckwheat is even gone.
Grim Reaper: *confused* Who's Mr. Buckwheat?

And your story is gold! Laughed the entire way through imagining your incognito appearance.

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no face mask?
We have a drugstore in town that doesn't allow backpacks, hoodies, or sunglasses. Weird, but I guess it's for safety since they've been robbed before.

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I did get some funny looks, like maybe they thought I was a robber, cause I tried to pull the hood really tightly together not to be seen.

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Your kdrama moment! As I was reading I was trying to picture you and your "ninja movements!"

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HA I laughed so hard picturing you as Sam Soon trying to sneak into the bureau to change her name, evading Sam Shik's thugs in her huge sunglasses and 60s silk headscarf/trench coat disguise. OMG, what a scene. Unreal that you should run right into your father! Most people would have 1) gone home and come back later or 2) given up and confessed but not redfox! You were going to continue your appointed rounds and declare Mission Accomplished or die trying! Just, OMG.

So since I'm already thinking of MNIKSS, I'll select Sam Sook the Piggy as best wingman because she succeeded in reverse. Normally you think of the stuffed toy as conveying love to the heroine but as so many things in MNIKSS, even the toy went against the grain. Piggy Sam Sook worked to get under Sam Shik's skin on Sam Soon's behalf and no amount of trying to give her away to children, to beat her to a pulp or to trash her succeeded in breaking her spell. Even before Sam Soon knew she wanted Sam Shik, Piggy had appeared and dug in. Sam Shik acknowledged her power by recommending that Chef give Sis a Piggy to secure his own futile pursuit. It kills me to say so, but that Sam Shik thought Sam Soon probably was a 'fat pig' to start off makes it all the more poignant for me.

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I would have gone home but shops close early on holiday, also, the baker said he is making the last batch of just 24 breads and if I had returned later, they would have been all gone. It is a really tasty bread that I can´t make myself. (and then the first lady in the line took 6 loafs and everyone panicked, and the baker chuckled. )
but the irony is, my dad was standing in the same line to buy bread for ME, cause he thought I´d be working and wouldnt manage grocery shopping. so now I have two loafs since I couldnt exactly say I bought one 30 seconds later. Then I felt kinda terrible. But I bought him beer and ice cream at St Johns´ party, so I guess we´re square.
Gosh. Life has some strange twists.

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Your dad isn't a beanie, is he? Then he would be reading this.

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he doesn´t read english and also not a beanie. he can barely open his e-mails.

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Your supermarket story reminded me of the time in college when I saw my ex shopping with a new girlfriend and for whatever reason, I decided I had to hide from him. While at the same time, I was semi-stalking him through the aisles. LOL

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Oh my! Hahahaha! Redfox, your story made my day! Thank you for sharing!!

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Am I the only one who is beginning to feel a drama drain? Like, I still LOVE dramas, but this year, I have been unable to finish a single drama. And even choosing one to watch takes hours of browsing. I have been watching Thai BL dramas these days.

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This was me before this current crop of dramas. You are definitely in a slump but the recent offerings are pretty good. Take your time watch some thai dramas ( and recommend some good ones too) and then come back to these dramas airing right now.

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I was in a slump around end of January and the recent offerings got me out of it. However, I have yet to find that new drama that's truly crack for me. SP is the closest, but I still don't feel it as a bona fide crack drama.

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I am too. The only current drama I'm watching is "The Best Hit." (And I almost quit that one after the first episode. But I'm happily, anxiously waiting for each episode. But it's my only current drama. I did (finally) watch 6 Flying Dragons. (The women breast feeding pigs initially turned me off/turned my stomach. But this time I just started on episode 2.) I don't know if it's the dramas that are the problem, or if it's me. I've started quite a few (Sassy Girl, Suspicious Partner, 7 day queen, and fight my way) but haven't gotten past the first couple of episodes in any of them. I like the actors and actresses in all of them. I think it may be me.

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So someone really is interested in BL dramas.
I'm into Water Boyy The Series.
If i can sacrifice my sleep for an episode that means i'm interested in it or else everything is just a timepass. Characters or die doesn't even matter. If i follow this criteria then most of 2017 kdramas not attracted much of my attention.

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Nope. With a few exceptions, many of the current and recent dramas just seem like formula and rehashes of the same old thing I saw last year.. and the year before. and the year before that...

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Have you tried "Chief Kim"?

I know what you mean, but I really liked Chief Kim, it was really funny at times.

I've also enjoyed Tunnel and Defendant. Currently watching Whisper, which is good enough for me to finish.

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Yeah, me too..dramas nowadays are s boring, so predictable..my last crack were age of youth and 1% of something..I wish I could erase all the memories of all dramas that I've watched so I can start all over again..I really miss that heart pounding anticipation..
Sigh.....

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All hail Lee Dong Gun in that red king's robe!

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The costume designer for SDQ needs to win an award for sure, for gifting us all with LDG in that...not to mention whoever is doing Yeon Woo-jin's hair, because he's never looked this good in his life!!!

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Second that! Everybody looks gorgeous and the hanboks are super pretty!

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His blue one was good too!!!

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YEEESSS and do you remember the white one which he wore to do some painting stuff in the early episodes? That was also majestic (O.o)

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ALSO, can this be a safe space to talk about that sex scene from Suspicious Partner?
Why is JCW so good in sexy time scenes? After watching Healer and now SP... *fans self anytime I see JCW's face

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The way he looks at the women he is acting with is great. He really looks like he has intense feelings for them. It makes the scenes so good.

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I agree! I think it's because he is such a fantastic film cuddler ? vertically and horizontally ?

The "morning-after" scenes are always amazing!

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That "vertically and orizzontally" made me laugh a lot!!! XD lol

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*moves healer to top of to watch list* ....don't mind me....

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Oh my gosh-yes! Kudos to the director and to both JCW and NJH. That was a great love scene. Brilliant acting by both of them-totally natural and believable-I could feel the heat! Total commitment by both actors to just go for it.
Amazing how JCW always makes his kiss/skinship scenes feel so real.

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I wasnt keeping up with SDQ's recap and comments and was conflicted over the idea that how I could like Yung more than Yeok even knowing that he has been a tyrant king. But after reading the comments in the recent recap, I'm glad that im not alone. LDG is killing it and he has certainly taken the cake from YWJ for me as I look forward to his scenes more.
Also the writers have made him more interesting. Politics in sageuks is what keeps me away from them bit this sageuk uses it so effectively that I don't skip a single scene and itsgood to see a king finally speaking up against his ministers sarcastically and confidently. Totally into this sageuk.

Circle is still good but am i the only one whose glad that its only 12 episodes because i feel like the show has loosened a bit. Maybe because the beta project world was always a little more engaging and almost all mysteries over there are solved. It is still a well done show for me even though with a bit loose ends.

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SDQ is amazing, and LDG is just slaying in every episode, but I'm actually guessing we're all going to end up falling for YWJ more once they let him have more swoony moments and he's spending less time trying to be cruel for the sake of protecting Chae-kyung. So far, we've seen Yeonsangun being complex, unpredictable and sarcastic/cruel with his ministers but in his relationship with CK he's been gentle and protective, whereas we've mostly seen Yeok being alternately action-hero-ing his way around town and being pretty cruel to CK. But now that Yeok's identity is revealed I think we're going to get more complexity to his character and motivations, and hopefully also more sweet/intense interactions between him and CK. I mean...this is what I'm hoping for, at least!!!

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I'm completely with you. I have all the same feelings regarding LDG that many are voicing on the recap, but I also recognize that YWJ is just getting started in this role and he has a lot of time to prove himself. I mean, when you think about it, they haven't even acted opposite each other yet! Next episode will be a game-changer on many fronts, but especially for the brothers.

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I have actually reduced the score of Circle from 8 to 7.5 - B grade. 2037 part had pretty loose implementation. And from 4th week show started to drag things. Now everything is on surface so much entitled to fiction. I don't think scriptwriter will answer any of the important questions. I think most kdramas should be around 11-13 episodes.

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He captured my heart since his first meeting with little Chae Kyung in the river with the moonlight. It's magical. Im rooting for Chae Kyung and Yeok but I also wish for more scenes between the King and ChaeKyung.

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Happy weekend, beanies!
Am on one week vacation * yeay * and trying to finish Ode to Joy 2. After that, I'm going to start on season 1! I know I'm weird because I started on season 2 first lol. Andie & Bao Yi Fan are my favourite now and I can't wait to see how this will end!

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I haven't watched either one yet but I really want to so I can see Wang Kai and Wang Ziwen acting together as a couple again. I loved them in When A Snail Falls In Love.

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I'm wondering about pink. I've noticed that Fight for My Way and Suspicious Partner have a pink-coloured theme going. It's not just the advertising, but many scenes tend to have a pink filter. And for Fight for My Way and to a lesser extent Suspicious Partner, there would be scenes where all characters on screen are wearing pink clothing. Yes I understand that colour can set the tone and mood of the show - green or blue undertones effectively creates ominous foreboding. Perhaps pink signifies hope and youth, which I guess makes it appropriate for Fight for My Way. But Suspicious Partner intrigues me - it's a show with more than a few dark moments...so why so pink?

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I honestly think it's just a very popular color in Korean fashion right now - that "millenial pink" shade is huge all over the world, but it seems to have particularly taken hold in S. Korea because so many S. Koreans have that beautiful skin tone that looks phenomenal in lighter shades of pink. It's also definitely a color associated with youth, as you point out - you'll notice that in saeguks it's almost always young women/girls who are wearing light pink - so that might have something to do with its use at least in FFMW, but I have a feeling its current trendiness is probably slightly more responsible for its prevalence in dramas!

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That blush pink is a Pantone Color of the Year 2016 (and the one that really "took"), which also helps explain why it's everywhere in 2017. It was forecasted to be huge and that drives decisions by everyone from clothing designers to thread makers (and paint manufacturers).

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Oh that's right! I forgot about that. I do recall reading this in passing somewhere.

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Ah, interesting. So it's not just me who's been wondering about the presence of the color pink in Suspicious Partner.

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Downvotes button! I wish to know who downvotes me and I will directly ask them. Why you don't like me? Where I do wrong? Don't just press the button and then hide. It's no cool, gurls!

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I can't upvote your comment because I'm not registered, but I would if I could.
I used to publish cartoon (Manwah) on DramaFever, and people would criticize the silliest mistakes.
I agree if you down vote a comment you should explain why. (I don't like your user name. I don't like your grammar. I don't like anything today.) When you downvote without explaining it just makes you look like an insecure jerk.

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I agree with you! Here, we're talking about Drama.. But why some people are so dramatic? Like downvote on me just because I like 'A' Drama meanwhile she hates it? How I suppose to know that me and her didn't share same interest if she didn't mention it? It's not that I read read everybody minds LOL

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I mistakenly clicked on the downvote button once, and was so frantic about how I can correct this. I was about to write an apology comment when I thought, maybe I can just click the upvote button, and it worked! It replaced my downvote for upvote! Pfew! So for anyone who may have made a mistake, it can be corrected by clicking on the upvote button. At least it worked for me.

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Cool to know, thanks for pointing that out!

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@needaname01

I dont think it can for now? Few days/a week ago, one beanies said to me she accidently downvoted my post, try to upvote but it couldnt

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Hmm...I wonder if there are steps? I think I tried to repress the downvote button to see if it would take it away, and when it didn't I then pressed the upvote button and it worked. Maybe the DB staff could let us know how it works? I've only done it once.

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The best advice may be from Ms. Swift that "haters gonna hate, hate, hate, hate" and let's just gonna "shake it off, shake it off."

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Love that song. If you are a fan of Supernatural you should check out the parody made to that song, if you haven't already. It's brilliant.

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Jo Seung Woo!

How is it that the inscrutable Shi Mok who seemingly wears the same expression all the time, can convey those very subtle shifts and underlying emotions? I want to send all those actors who overact to learn from this man.

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He's hands down the best thing on tv currently. A true k-drama gods' gift.

His performance is so detailed, nuanced and deep and he's so charismatic that even when he doesn't have dialogues, i feel totally fascinated and lose the sense of time.

I don't know who i love more: the character or the actor who gets him so well...

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Fascinated is the word! He is the personification of less is more.

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Glad that I am not the only one who is at awe of his micro-expressions. He never over-exaggerates. I've also noticed that he has excellent control over his voice pitch. Having a musical theatre background and active one at that helps undoubtedly. Most jarring thing is seeing him being totally opposite of his character off screen. He is goofing around all the time, its like he has an on/off button for his characters.

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I looked up his name last week when I first got hooked after two eps of FoS and thought I came across the wrong info page for JSW because of that, until I scrolled down to see his works. He doesn't look anything like Shi-mok at all XD.

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"Most jarring thing is seeing him being totally opposite of his character off screen. He is goofing around all the time, its like he has an on/off button for his characters."

Yes! Yes! Someone post a BTS of him goofing on the set and after that I couldn't stop expecting him to flip once the PD shouts "Cut!"

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Yesssssssss. So glad he has graced our tv screens again. Finally started watching Forest of Secrets and I'm hooked!

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Wow! This has almost been a full week of dramas and I finally have time to catch up. My last test was on Monday so exams are over! This is my personal breakdown so far.
Fight My Way- Dong Man finally confessed to Ae Ra and that KISS! Since things are beginning to be settled, their relationship can fully bloom now! I hope the same goes for Seol Hee and Joo Man since they definitely both have things to figure out before then.
Circle- I'm up to episode 9 and it is blowing my mind. Where did Woo Jin go? I can't believe that Minister Park and Professor Han both succumbed to the evil temptation of the new technology. I know I mentioned it in a different comment, but it really is sad how Jung Yeon's (Byul) simple gesture of giving that little star to Woo Jin turned into a whole experimentation on altering memory.
Suspicious Partner- Yay! Mr. Bang is not dead. The only worrying part is the oxygen flowing to his brain. Also, I wonder who planted the knife in Hyun Soo's kitchen. I know Ji Wook and everyone on the team want to take him down, but who really did it. By the way, did not see that car crash coming.
7 Day Queen- Chae Kyung and Yeok are breaking my hearts. I hope they have a happy ending, although history doesn't turn out that way. No further explanation needed.
The Best Hit- I need it to come out soon. I can't wait.

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Are there any Beanies going to DragonCon? This year will be my 10th year and I would love to have a little informal meet up if anyone else is down for it!

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What is DragonCon? is it like a fantasy convention?

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I passed my final exam this past tuesday and am finally able to spend my free time with watching dramas and such once again (dunno how long that'll last). Yay! I did manage to watch a few kdrama episodes inbetween my studies. I finished What's Up Fox just this past weekend and I loved it! The soundtrack, the storyline... LOVED IT! So I could really use some recommendations. Any suggestions?

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Congratulations on passing your exams ???

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Thanks!! <3

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Congratulations on passing your exam! :D

That show is still on my watch-list, so I don't really know what to recommend as I don't know what kind of tone and stuff it has. Have you tried other "older" classics?

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Thanks! <3

It's so amazing! I'd recommend it to anyone who likes noona-romances.

Not yet, but I want to (especially now that I've finished that gem of a show). Do you have any suggestions?

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It's definitely high on my list :)

Definitely Coffee Prince if you haven't seen that yet! Also liked Delightful Girl Chun Hyang (sometimes Sassy Girl Chun Hyang).

Other than that I've only seen the major classics Full House, My Lovely Kim Sam Soon and My Girl, but didn't like any of them, so wouldn't recommend them based on anything subjective. They're all three really famous though with lots of fans, so you might consider giving them a go.

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Oh right, Coffee Prince is probably considered a classib by now. I've watched it in the early days of my kdrama obsession and I loved that one as well. I think I started watching Delightful Girl Chun Hyang at some point... but I don't remember finishing it. I might give it another go.

I do remember trying to watch Full House at one point but it just didn't catch my attention and I got distracted by other shows.

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For me 10 years is the cut-off at least. Since this type of drama isn't that old, I think that's an appropriate time frame. Most seem to consider CP a classic these days :)

What I remember most from Full House is them cleaning and staring into the dark. That took up like 50% of the drama lol.

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Is the show really that old? I'm pretty sure that I haven't watched the show during its original run. I think I watched it a few years later. Still good. And the romance storyline was very compelling (oh gender-bender... I love you so).

See I didn't even get that far with Full House.

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Yep, it's a 2007 show! It was my first drama years ago and then the one to get me back into dramas with a fierce passion lol, so it's one I remember fondly :)

Lol trust me, it took a lot of patience and, by the end, fast-forwarding to finish that show...

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I loved What's Up Fox! I loved the nutty sister and the Fashion Designer. That's the same writer, I think, as MNIKSS and was his/her next project. There's a much newer show starring the WUF actor, Heart to Heart, that I loved. I often follow actors to new shows based on their DB summations and ratings. And you really can't go wrong with anything the WUF actress does. Have you seen Its Okay It's Love? It's quirky and has great music and great characters in a similar but unrelated way if that makes any sense ?

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It's Okay It's Love has been on my to watch list for a very long time. I'll make sure to give it a go. Perhaps even this weekend.

I'm the same with following actors of a drama series that I loved to their next projects. I think one of the very first dramas that I've watched was Greatest Love/Best Love. I've been following both main leads ever since. Another reason why It's Okay It's Love is on my list. <3

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Happy Friday, everyone! Today feels like a momentous day because it's the one year anniversary of my introduction to KDramas. I haven't looked back since, and have passed many hours in pure bliss!!

I've also watched and come to enjoy Chinese, Taiwanese, and Japanese dramas. I even took the initiative to start learning Mandarin because of the dramas (there is no option for Korean where I am).

I introduced KDramas to my sister, who finally gave in after much resistance, fell in love, and has since started taking Korean classes.

Like so many good things have happened just because of KDrama. It's spurred interest in cultures which are so different from mine, but also similar in many ways, and opened avenues for so much discussion with friends about themes and issues we come across in dramas. I come from a multilingual family, but never expected to one day be learning Eastern languages, or learning about Eastern cultures. And my sister and Drama-watching friends have something new to gush about. And then coming on here and reading recaps and comments with such insightful analysis about everything from silliness to life's issues.... Not to mention an appreciation for good storytelling, dramatization and acting, not just for its entertainment value, but for lessons to be learned therein too, and for good craftsmanship. And also an appreciation for having an alternative to seeing only "western" content. I'm gushing and it seems overmuch but it's truly been a wonderful year for me immersing myself in dramas. The whole is truly more than the sum of its parts :)

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We're glad you're here! I've only be watching dramas for 16 months myself, but really only the past 7 months have I been hooked. I love this site. So many great insights.

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Congratulations on your one year kdrama anniversary!

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? congratulations on one year! You're not gushing, it just is quite amazing how deeply kdrama can change your life, no small part of that being what happens on Dramabeans. ?? it's allll good.

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Congrats on one year and on getting your sister hooked too!

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congrats! and to many more years of asian drama watching!

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Happy Friday!

It's been a lazy week for me, as I have been recharging my energy levels after lots of real life stuff going on, which means lots of dramas, yay!

Finished Chicago Typewriter. It's funny how I seem the opposite of other beanies: I loved the first two eps with a passion, but then found my interest quickly waning post that. Possibly because books and writing faded into the background while ghosts and reincarnations became the main thing. But also just really felt it didn't deliver on some aspects like character development. I still have no clue why the two guys became freedom fighters and in the present storyline I was missing more background on Se Ju - it would've been nice to see more of his family or what happened after he left Baek's house. I'm also really missing a resolution to the plagiarism case. I know it's obvious what happened, but I still would've liked to see it, but that's probably just me. Overall I just felt like it was too emotionally driven with no basis for these emotions in real character development and the ghost hijinks mirror countless movies and shows. It's definitely not a bad show, it just turned out much differently and to be much more simple, than I had expected. Good thing: it made me really want to go back and finish SFD and Secret Love Affair sometime soon hehe ^^ And also Go Kyung Pyo being puppy-like is adorable.

Lookout - too many logic fails this week. And Soo Ji puts everyone's lives in danger yet again. I still like it though, overall the plot is good and Do Han/forgot-his-real-name continues to be really intriguing and heartwrenching.

The Best Hit - Still hilarious. That scene with the racoon costume was priceless lol. Also loving how fast the plot moves as I was afraid Hyun Jae would take forever before learning who's son Ji Hoon is and glad that they adressed the 'issue' of whether or not HJ knew JH was a trainee, because that had me scratching the old imaginary beard quite a bit.

Started Ex-Girlfriend Club and really liking it! Had been avoiding it because I think Song Ji Hyo needs some more acting lessons. But the other women and Byun Yo Han completely make up for what she's lacking and the story is hilarious so far! Only at ep 3 though, so no spoilers please! ^^

Picked Entourage back up and just finished ep 6. Not as bored as the first time around somehow? Actually found it kind of funny, so yay!

SP - still not a fan, but last week's eps were fun and I enjoyed them. Can't seem to finish the latest ep though, dunno why. Guess there's just something missing for me. Hope next week will turn out more like last week's eps, but I'm kind of worried they're going to run out of plot, 20 eps seems a bit overkill. 16 eps would've made it a more thrilling show I think.

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I feel the same way about Chicago Typewriter. I loved it in the beginning but I slowly started losing interest especially after it got pre-empted twice. I thought something was wrong with me because everyone kept saying how it's the best drama ever and I'm like "eh, I don't know." Lee Bang-won ruined all of Yoo Ah-in's characters for me.

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Nothing wrong with you at all, different people, different tastes is all ^^
It's funny, because every role I see YAI in, I like him, but don't love him, but also want to see more from him? Like he draws me in, but in a strange, inexplicable way. And except for the little I've seen of Secret Love Affair, his characters all remind me of each other actually, despite them being vastly different "people". SFD, CT, The Veteran - all his roles there had a sort of manic energy to them.

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The Best Hit shows that humor is a land of possibilities. If you are creative enough, fresh and new ideas are right there. serious dramas, imo, tend to repeat themselves a lot. but life with crazy situations can always inspire laughs.

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Oooh! you picked up ex-gf's club! It's such a cute drama! Though a warning u will need the fwd button in plenty in later episodes.. but the antics of the exes are hilarious till the end. Watch out for the soundtrack cues.. as soon as roses of sharon starts playing u know u are in a for laughter riot :)

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Is anyone watching Princess Agents? I absolutely adore ancient CDramas and sageuk (all that fantasy and gorgeous costuming) , and right now, Princess Agents is my kryptonite. Even with the wonky pacing and the absolutely LAUGHABLE CGI in some places (seriously it's so terrible). The fight scene are also sometimes awful (even when allowances are made for it being a wuxia and all). But some of the fight scenes are also beautifully choreographed and reminds me of the saying that fighting is like dancing, and good soldiers will always be good dancers because the intricate moves required are similar. I am in ancient Drama heaven right about now, even with all its flaws. I expect I'll be in even more bliss when I get my hands on The Advisors Alliance.

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I watched it a bit and thought it was interesting and i'd like to watch it complete but I am scarred by prince of lan ling (2013) and princess wei young (2016) where they all suffered a lot for a long time before we got to a sort of happy ending. so I'm kind of scared to go past episode 6.

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Oh man! I am!! Didnt think to find another watcher on db considering how Princess Agents is sort of um.. not that great (u already mentioned why) but sooo addictive! I'm loving Zanilia Zhao - she does the disingenuous naive girl act so well!

Started watching it cuz females doing martial arts is my absolute catnip (i even watched both seasons of tornado girl cuz of it *cringe).

Quite happy with how fast the storyline is moving - cant wait till we see her get reaal badass fighting against slavery. Also - why is the main lead always a tsundere?!? Why cant the Prince get her?? he is soo cute and adorable! I guess that personality is gonna change soon.. sigh

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Am also LOVING this. I catch up on the weekends. Its like having an 8 course meal.

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Hello, does anyone have any good fantasy books or dramas of any languages to recommend? Or any good dramas old or new worth watching?

Thank you~~

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Have you read Guy Gavriel Kay's trilogy 'The Fionavar Tapestry'? I remember really liking that.

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Oh thank you. I'll try check it out

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Warbreaker by Brandon Sanderson. I really enjoyed that book. And I love how Sanderson makes a totally different world, but then follows all the rules (s)he's created for it. It really bugs me when an author/drama makes a fantasy world, gives us the rules, and then breaks them.

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I started reading the Mistborn series but thanks to K drama I haven't finish it yet.

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Brandon Sanderson is one of my favorite fantasy authors. I have loved everything he has written. I love his writing style and how each series he writes has a super unique magic system. In most fantasy books they just have the power or they search deep and use it type thing. But his books have very unique and different magic systems. I suggest anything by him!

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+1! brandon sanderson is an amazing writer, i can also recommend the mistborn trilogy!

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You should check out "Name of the Wind" by Patrick Rothfuss. It's just phenomenal. It just transports you into the world and the words really do bring the characters alive. I was hooked with just the prologue!

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I recommend the book series Throne of Glass and A Court of Thorn and Roses, both by Sarah J. Maas.

Wag_a_Muffin mentioned Brandon Sanderson and I also suggest anything by him.

Also Kushiel's Legacy Trilogies by Jacqueline Carey (an older series but I still love it).

I could spend all day suggesting fantasy books as it's my favorite genre!

As for fantasy dramas I suggest Ten Miles of Peach Blossoms which is a cdrama. It is an epic fantasy romance and so good.

Goblin is a kdrama which is a modern day fantasy that I also love.

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arang and the magistrate is a good fantasy saguek fusion drama!
i loved reading the dresden files by jim butcher (they get better with each book), it's more urban fantasy!
the mortal instruments series by casandra clare is also a fun read!

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Ooooh thank you for all the suggestions. My holiday will be very full of reading

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Mostly, I only read Asian novels online. In Novel Updates, there's a lot of English translated translated Chinese, Korean and Japanese novels if you want to read something new.

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I agree with the Guy Gavriel Kay and Jacqueline Carey recommendations. GGK's "Tigana," is a great fantasy to start with...or, my favourite of his, the "Sailing to Sarantium" 2-book series.

Neil Gaiman writes great fantasy, too... but he kinda mixes his genres.

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OT week 20! I hope everyone is having a good summer so far. The weather here has been PERFECT, which means lots of sunlight and vitamin D and we live in the US where a good tan is always appreciated, so we’ve been spending a lot of time at the pool and playing golf. Hubby and I won our couples scramble this week and won a whole $20 in golf shop credit! So, after our $10 entry fee, we’re up $10! It’s the small things! AND, during our match, our friends booked our tickets to CANADA, Quebec City, Goblin country, for my birthday! We’ll be going in the Fall. I am super-duper-giddy! *SQUEEE, SQEEE, SQUEE!* Remember the scene where Eun Tak sees her room make-over? That’s me right now!

Otherwise, been watching Circle, still, and am I the only one that is kind of glad that there are only 2 episodes left? The suspense is killing me and I just want to know where this is going!

Watched the second 30 minute episode of My Only Love Song, also with the same actress that plays Byul in Circle, and she’s still yelling and grating on mine and my husband’s nerves a bit. I think we’ll drop it. I much prefer her character in Circle.

Speaking of which, I’ve been 0 for 5 in new dramas to watch with the hubby and I’ve been watching some by myself, which isn’t nearly as fun. I need help! I feel like I’ve been dropped into an all you can eat buffet of kdramas and want to try every genre, while my hubby is stuck in the dessert section. He likes the syrup-y, sweet love story. Boy meets girl, boy falls in love with girl, they go through turmoil that makes their love stronger, and then come back together and live happily ever after. Also, the acting has to be palatable. No yelling in high pitched, banshee-like, tones; that will make him turn it off faster than you can say, “Come on, honey, give it a chance, she won best actress for this role!” Also, no cross-dressing, girls trying to be boys. He likes the ultra-feminine, quintessential pretty girl, innocent, sweet, CANDY! You get my drift. Also, no major psychiatric undertones, as he sees this all day long and would like something where he can’t analyze the main characters or how true to life they are. You think it would be easy to find something, but I’ve not had any luck in the past 4 months. He likes slow, burning love stories too.

And I tried watching Man to Man with him and this is the conversation that ensued:

Hubby: There’s something wrong with Do Ha’s eyes, I can’t put my finger on it.

Me: It looks like she has proptosis (when your eyes come out of your head) like she has Graves’ disease. I wonder if her thyroid has been checked recently.

Hubby: Sorry, I can’t watch this, I’m too distracted by her eyes.

Me: There’s another show called Reply 1997 that just got put on Netflix; should we try that? I don’t know much about it other than the fact that it’s about high school aged kids and there’s a whole series spin off.

Hubby: You’ve being batting 0 for...

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a million on dramas that I’d like lately.
Me: *Frustrated look* Let’s just go to sleep then.
*Later that night, me trying to sleep, and guess what hubby is watching on his phone???*
Me: You’re watching Episode 16, I can hear them saying their vows.
Hubby: No, I’m not. *Rolls to other side of bed.*
Me: Yes, you are. Please let me sleep. *Trying to drift away to slumberland*
*Hearing Gong Yoo wailing in tears.*
Me: Why are you watching the part after she dies?
Hubby: I’m not.
Me: OHMYGOD YOU ARE.
Hubby: You’ll never find me another kdrama as good.
Moral of the Story: The challenge is set. Please help!
2nd Moral: I still love Goblin, but sometimes I like sleep more!
3rd Moral: I should turn 40 more often so that I can go to Canada!

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Hmmmm. I realise I hardly like dramas with Candy characters- You're Beautiful being an exception.

I was gonna suggest Beautiful Gong Shim but she ain't exactly a candy, and then Thank You- but your husband might get turned off by the medical slant (it's a heartwarming story about a single mom whose child contracts HIV)

So how about a Taiwanese drama? I loved Just You with Aaron Yan and Puff Guo in it. But then again I don't think the girl is a candy either. ?

I give up. Lol. Looks like you might be doomed to listening to Goblin at night for a while still. ?

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Also, those girls are pretty much the opposite of me, which makes me think, why is he married to me? LOL? ?

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Dramas with Candy heroines...
I second TW drama "Just You"-the main female lead is always positive person, even to the evil second lead.
I'd also try "Fated to Love You" Korea version-total Candy heroine there.
You might like "Bride of the Century" as well-it's total fluff drama so no psychological stuff, and the female lead is really sweet.
The drama that for me has the most candy like heroine is "Secret" starring Ji Sung and Hwang Jung Eum, but that is a total dark twisted melodrama.
You may want to check out TW dramas
"Autumn's Concerto" and "Loving, Never Forgetting"- they're more melodrama than rom com but both have sweet Candy heroines.
My favorite cute romcoms like Weighlifting Fairy Kim Bok Ju, Strong Woman Do Bong Soon, Oh My Ghostess, and Marriage Not Dating unfortunately do not have Candy heroines, but I encourage you to check them out if your husband ever changes his mind and is willing to explore other types of characters, because the romances were very sweet.

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We actually did watch WFKBJ, but he didn't like it at all. The only reason he got through it was because we played a soju drinking game while watching it!

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I have been going through the recap list for ideas, and I must not like Candy stories; these are the only ones I have seen and have liked enough to file away in my "classics" folder; they are also psychiatry-free, I think.

- Best Love: idol has-been heroine, I think she counts as a Candy; I don't have a very firm grasp of the concept :-p . But they had me from the very first scene.

- Jealousy Incarnate: also with Gong Hyo-jin, and also a Candy-ish character. Avoid perhaps if you are particularly sensitive to cancer plots, but the comedy is genius, and Jo Jung-suk deserved all the awards in existence for that role. I have to rewatch it soon :-).

- City Hunter: Nana is the absolute Candy; I am less enamoured of the male hero since Healer showed me better. Just watch both :-p

About Reply 1997, coincidentally I have just finished it. I liked it less than I thought I would after reading so many comments over the years, but it was ok; if nothing else, there's baby Seo In-guk :-). But I liked Reply 1988 better. One advantage, though, is that episodes are about 40 minutes, rather than 90-120...

Will try to think of others...

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Wow! You are really organized in terms of dramas. I'll keep all of these in my "files" as well.?

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Wow! You can finally do a Goblin tour in Quebec for your birthday! That's nice.

And Ohmygoodness!! Goblin/Gong Yoo love lives on in your family. It's hilariously cute! Gong Yoo better come out with a new drama for you guys. hehe! If your hubby isn't into cross-dressing/gender-bender, then I assume he did not see Coffee Prince, which would be a shame because that one's real good. As much as I like Kim Shin, I love Choi Hangyul. Gong Yoo is good overall, but I personally love his portrayal in Coffee Prince more than in Goblin.

I am blanking out on recommendations. I thought of WFKBJ except Bokjoo's not your quintessential pretty, innocent, sweet girl, but the love story here is very very nice.

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Hmmm finding one with no pyschiatric stuff seems like a challenge, so many characters have "traumas", phobias, anxiety etc, so I can see why you're finding it difficult!

I was thinking of Tomorrow's Cantabile, but there's the whole water-phobia, which isn't that major though and the female lead might not fit that description up above except for innocent. Also then there's one of the characters who has a physical issue, so if the eye-thing was an issue, would this be too?

Playful Kiss maybe? It's kind of cute, especially if you like sugary sweet romance.

Surplus Princess or My Secret Romance, but they were both hot messes.

Shopping King Louis or My Girlfriend is a Gumiho, if you haven't seen them already. They're both really good :)

You may have already seen them all, but thought I'd give it a shot! :)

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We haven't seen any of these. I'll have to mention them!

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Oh yay! :)

I hope one of them at least will end up being something you guys can enjoy, it's been a while since I watched some of them, so not 100% sure they will fit every criteria above, but they're likely to at least :)

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Speaking if hot messes, he loved Love Rain, and it was a mess in my mind but the couple was cute.

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Quebec City is very beautiful. The bakeries and restaurants are very good too, so be sure to eat as much as you can while there.

Have an amazing trip. When are you going?

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Oh, we love food in our group! We'll do so. We'll go late September.

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You'll love Québec ♥️.

Will you try to find the red door portal from Goblin? If so, let us know!

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Yesterday I watched a documentary about identical twins who were adopted by different parents (one in US the other one in France) and nobody knew they were twins in the begining. It was interesting to see how multicultural surroundings crush the prejudice walls and is much more easier to adapt to society. It was the part of KBS Indie's movie night if anyone interested...

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Where do I find KBS Indie's movies that you refer to?

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This film sounds like the documentary "Twinsters", which is also available on Netflix if anyone has that.

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Is Twinsters the one where one girl uses the word "f***" at least 3x per sentence?

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Hi Everyone!

I hope you are all doing well today. ...... I continue to enjoy everyone's comments on the Fan Walls!

Watched this week:

Whisper - Finally finished watching this! ..... Absolutely loved the last episode's nod to the writer's previous drama Punch! It was so unexpected and definitely a great surprise.

Fight My Way - Seol-hee's Dad's had the quote of the week for me with his, "Don't give your telephone number to people you need to ignore." ..... And I mentioned this in the recap comments, but I'll repeat it here ---- I think Joo-man and Seol-hee need to break up, perhaps permanently.

Seven Day Queen - Just keeps getting better and better! ..... Myung-hye though, what's really motivating her, the cause or the jealousy? I think we all know the answer to this one. ...... Those scenes with Lee Dong-gun as the king, oh so good.

Suspicious Partner - Ok, it's official, I'm on the Ji Chang-wook bandwagon! Again. ....... I have to say I'm a bit curious of the whole color scheme in this drama. Particularly the clothes. The soft colors. It's all quite interesting.

My Sassy Girl - I wanted to give this a chance, so I watched a little bit of this, but I'm afraid things are not going to work out. I think I just wasn't in the mood. Perhaps I'll try again at a later time.

That's all for now. Everyone take care and have a great Friday!

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I'm a little behind on Fight My Way, but I actually think it would be nice if Joo-Man and Seol-hee did permanently break up because that is the reality of so many young love relationships. Yes, many survive and thrive but just as many lose steam and people move on. That's life. I think this bit of reality would be refreshing to see in a drama rather than the young-love-must-conquer-all we generally get.

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Exactly. In reality, this sometimes does happen for a variety of reasons.

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Me too. Also it would support the idea of things not turning out as you expect, with one pair that look like best friends becoming a couple and the other that is paired-for-life-no-questions having to question what it is they want to fight for.

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Re: Fight My Way: As much as it would be heartbreaking to watch Joo Man and Seol Hee breakup, I can't help but agree that it might be for the best if they do so.
Re: Suspicious Partner - have you noticed the pink colour scheme too? (Refer to my comment at #6)

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Regarding Fight My Way, I agree. It's not that they're bad, awful people or anything like that, but a breakup seems like the way to go. ..... Of course, this is dramaland and who knows what the writer has planned. We shall see.

Regarding Suspicious Partner, yes, the color pink! I saw your comment a little while ago. Its presence in the drama is subtle enough to not be distracting, but it is present enough that you do become aware of it after a while. It is quite interesting how that pale pink is used.

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the colors cuts and materials in Suspicious partner are very interesting. Looks like they chose natural materials, the fabrics have tangible structure, the cuts are asymmetric and fresh. The only look I didnt like was white blouse with black ribbon for Bong Hee.

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Ah yes, the "funeral candle" I think you called it, right? Heh! (you see, I read! :)) ..... But seriously though, yes, the fabrics do appear to be natural materials in muted tones in keeping with the color scheme of the show.

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yeah, yeah! and btw the bluse on its own is very nice with them frills and pleats, but they should leave it at that.

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Dear My Friends is so far so good. I'm at episode 11 now and I can't wait to watch the next epis. But that must be after I finish my work tonight.

Fight My Way can wait.. after I finish Dear My Friends I'm going to binge-watch you, the epis I haven't watched yet.

Hopefully, next week I'll be able to tell beanies how good Dear My Friends is ;)

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The Big Hit: (or whatever it is called) is probably my favorite right now because I laugh out loud at some point during this drama week after week.

Suspicious Partner: I'm a few behind but I find myself curious how the cheating scenario is going to play out with the friends. I actually wish they'd had the gal come back and not originally be such a witch because I think after making such a huuuuuge mistake, I understand her leaving just not her attitude when she returned. I think if I was the guy cheated on, it would be hard to day in and day out see my best friend who betrayed me. So it is interesting that I think they are trying (and succeeding) in making him (yep I really cannot remember anyone's name) sympathetic, but I actually think he should have made himself scarce for a while. He stayed close for his own regret and his own shame which is about him, not about his friend. So this scenario is an interesting story for me.

I actually find myself less interested in killers and what not than in this dynamic which I don't generally see in dramas. What to do when people you care about make a horrible mistake but really regret it? Do you forgive but never forget? Do you never forgive? Do us viewers let it slide because the best friend cheater is so sad and regretful? I like that they showed the ramifications of the cheating with the comment from our guy, " I was worried I wouldn't be enough". Being betrayed sticks with a person, man or woman.

On a happier note, the lead couple are so sweet together and knowing what they've both been through make it so much sweeter to see them together.

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I have thought a lot about it, but I think Eun Hyuk is not doing it for his own sake, sticking around. He is doing it because Ji Wook got disappointed and felt he has lost the love of both his friends, but Eun Hyuk is tryign to make JW see he is more important to him than the girl, even if he has a crush.

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Whoever chose that thumbnail/pic for the Open Thread this week is awesome.

I'm really loving older dramas these days a bit more than newer ones. There tends to be a rawness there that newer ones lack. I feel like newer ones feel sanitised in a way. I'm not even talking about dramas ten years ago like Dal-ja's Spring. I recently watched Panda and Hedgehog and while there was nothing outrageous in that show, there was a scene in there that showed the OTP sharing some snuggle time. Sure, this is nothing new, and it was definitely brief, but it felt like one of the few natural aspects of a relationship that many dramas are missing dramas these days. And yes, I know that South Korea is a conservative society, but I find it crazy that I get all happy when skin-ship is done well. The only recent ones last year and this year that I think come close are 1% of Something and Tomorrow With You.

P.S. I would say that

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I agree that some display of affection beween lovers adds warmth to the realtionship portrayal. It isn't enough just to say the expected words. Showing that a character has feelings for another character can't just be applying bandaids, holding umbrellas and putting shoes on their feet. When you love someone, you want to touch them when they are close by. That was what was cute about the Weightlifting Fairy couple- all that playful affection.

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Summer is officially here. Starting to pick figs, this year should be bountiful. Worked the Wailers concert at the oceanfront. Good time was had by all.

Watching 7 Day Queen: Lee Dong Gun is fantastic. The writer and director are keeping the story fresh. Good cast.

Wife finished Song of Phoenix C drama, so I talked her into watching the J drama Jin.

I'm watching J drama Sunshine
Hope someone subs The Advisors Alliance

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Glad to hear you're enjoying Seven Day Queen. I agree, Lee Dong-gun is quite good in this. First time I'm watching him and, well, he's certainly made an impression.

Enjoy the yummy figs and the summer season!

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I just have a random question: have you guys ever meet? Like having a db tea time? something like that? And spend time talking about dramas or actors?

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I think there was some meet-up last year in ...ummm... where was that? the 10 year party or something.

I am so lonely here though, auuuuuuuuu.

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Really? I guess it was in the US or in Korea maybe?

I feel you! I mean, after watching a super episode, i have no one to talk about it! I am just super excited-super lonely in my room! But thanks to DB i feel less lonely while watching a drama.

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DB is wonderful for feeling less lonely while watching a drama :) maybe we should i don't know try to see if there are other beanies in the same area as you/me? i wonder if they would be open towards it

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It was in LA I think.

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I'm sensing a drama slump coming *sprinkles salt around me to guard away drama slump spirits*

Forest of Secret is my new-found delight. I've made a mental note to watch more of Jo Seung-Woo's works after this.

I've just binged through the first half of Circle and am enjoying myself a lot. I don't think Circle is heavy on the sci-fi aspects. Rather, it borrows the sci-fi backdrop to explore ethical questions. I remember someone asking why the people in Circle don't seem to be interested in Byul's long-lasting youthful look and considers it a potential miss point of the drama. Well, I haven't watched everything yet but the simple answer is that the research team in question specialise in neurosciences and obviously we can't expect them to suddenly switch their interest to genetics. I work in academia as well and if I have a chance meeting with Byul and have the opportunity to study her own language or her acquisition of a certain language on Earth there's no way I'd give her up to another scientist from another branch of science to study her, not until I've finished with my own research. Hardcore scientists who live for their research are oftentimes concerned only with what they're doing and don't usually pay attention to other things people are obsessed with outside of their own field. If the research team in the drama suddenly switch their interest to the question of immortality and long-lasting youth and beauty that would be a plot hole for sure. Just sayin' ?.

I've dropped Ruler but read from comments elsewhere that Ga-Eun has unleashed her rage onto the CP. I'd say go for it girl! She's the only one who doesn't know a thing about the CP not being the one personally executing her own father, and was in love with said person for 5 years with him hiding his true identity from her. Please don't hate on the poor girl. She has every reason to feel hatred towards him for the time being.

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I have also started Circle and now on episode 4, this show reminds me of X-Files - it's not exactly sci-fi but it has some of its aspects.

I never watched Yeon Jin Goo before and now I realised what's the hype about him. I never find him handsome in pictures until I see him in motion, and he's even more mesmerizing to look at while acting. Those micro-expressions and gleaming eyes are going to be the death of me!

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Like @kimbapnoona said, I'm now upgraded to nirvana after watching him haha.

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Welcome to the fan-club. He's an amazing prodigy. So impressive. He's the death of all of us!

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"Forest of Secret" is above the rest of the cable shows that I'm watching.
Jo Seung-woo played a prosecutor before in "Inside Men." It had great reviews and was successful in the box-office.
I'm glad he picked Forest Secret because I can watch it comfortably (no language and less violence).

I stopped chasing "Circle" and "Duel" with my ridiculous theories so I'm just going to sit back and enjoy it.

I can't seems to really get into any of the 3 sageuks despite loving the genre.
It's a shame for Ruler because I was really looking forward to Kim So-hyun being a lead in one. I wish she did more sageuks when she was younger too.

I would've watch Sassy Girl if it was a sageuk and not a sometimes half and half. I think sageuk parodies works best in short 2 eps dramas like Hyang Dan.
7 Day Queen: Historically, I don't care for the two brothers. I'm more interested in the women in their lives who fell from grace because of these two incompetent psychos.

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I agree with you re. FoS. It's in a different league from the other shows I'm watching right now for sure, both cable and mainstream. I'll check out Inside Men for sure. Thank you for the recommendations :D.

I'm still waiting to get over Kim Jung-Eun's face and Deuk-Cheon's violence to get into the drama. I've gotten over things like that before so waiting is the best bet for me to let go of my pet peeves and just enjoy the story. Circle is delicious and I'm not there for the sci-fi anyway, so so far it hasn't disappointed me.

I know what you mean by not getting into the three sageuks. I'm particularly disappointed in Ruler because I held so much hope for KSH. The story actually has potential plot-wise but the writing and execution fall short. I watched a short clip of the scene between her and the CP when the truth was finally out and could only wish the show had made the most of her talent earlier on, because it shows in that scene that she could do so much better.

I don't know much about the two brothers in 7DQ in history, so fortunately my enjoyment of the show isn't marred by the ugly historical truth. I don't think 7DQ would stay true to history since everything is clearly seen more in a romantic light. I consider it more like a melodramatic version of Moonlight. Looks like this one is going all fusion so I guess there'll be less focus on Queen Shin too. Probably that's why it doesn't appeal to those who love more traditional sageuks :D.

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"Marathon" and "The Classic" are two of my favorite Jo Seung-woo films.
I watched some of his musicals too and I've always felt that his heart is always on stage because he keeps going back despite having a successful film career.

Yes, forget the ugly history and enjoy 7 Day Queen. The way it ends in history can be interpreted in different ways.
I'm sure the writers we'll come up with the best conclusion to their story.

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