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Criminal Minds: Episode 2

The cast alone is enough to recommend Criminal Minds, and I’m not disappointed. It’s a bit surprising that Moon Chae-won and Lee Jun-ki haven’t been paired until now, because their chemistry is so natural, it feels like they’ve done it before. And as we hurtle through the case this hour, you realize how refreshing it can be to just do things the old-fashioned way: with brains and heart, and a whole host of mind games.

 
EPISODE 2 RECAP

Profiling team leader Ki-hyung speculates on his suspect PARK JAE-MIN’s time in juvie, guessing from his slightness that he must have had a protector. He suggests a name: Ma Hyun-tae. Smirking, Jae-min tells him that in juvie one time, a kid tried to kill himself by slitting his wrist with a sharpened toothbrush.

He says that Ma Hyun-tae was the room leader, and he (Jae-min) was the second-in-command. They took the kid to the boiler room where they strung him from the ceiling and Ma told Jae-min to teach the kid a lesson with a steel pipe. “I just did as Ma Hyun-tae told me,” Jae-min says, “because the room leader’s word is law.” Ki-hyung asks if that means he was just a lackey, but Jae-min only offers another crafty smile.

Elsewhere, that same Ma Hyun-tae watches the news on the serial murders. Lying on the desk in front of him, we see his passport and an airport brochure. He calls the police to make a report, but freezes as a shadow stops menacingly at his door. Before he can make his report, he’s struck down.

Sun-woo arrives and finds Ma Hyun-tae dead with a knife embedded in his neck. She rushes out the back, gun in hand, but is immediately struck by the silver SUV. She bounces off it and lands hard on the ground, her gun sliding away.

The culprit gets out of the car, and picking up the gun, he aims it at her. But the sound of another siren sends him fleeing. It’s Hyun-joon, and he rushes over to Sun-woo in concern. Grimacing in pain from a shard sticking in her shoulder, she tells him to follow the culprit, and then unexpectedly joins him when he returns to his car.

Sun-woo calls in the murder to Ki-hyung, who tells Jae-min. Noting his lack of upset, Ki-hyung asks him who the murderer is. Jae-min flashes him a cynical grin and reminds him, “I told you this is just the start.”

Sirens blaring, Hyun-joon pursues the silver SUV, scattering pedestrians in their path and even two-wheeling through a particularly narrow street. Another car clips the SUV at an intersection, and is sent spinning into the path of a woman with a baby. Taking it in in a flash, Hyun-joon blocks the out-of-control vehicle with his own, saving the woman and her baby. But they’ve lost their culprit, and Hyun-joon punches the wheel in frustration.

Teammates Han and Min-young have also heard the news of Ma Hyun-tae’s murder and are still trying to work out Jae-min’s computer password (which will only give them five tries). Han bounds to his feet, thinking he’s figured out, but his guess is wrong. Two tries are left.

Hyun-joon watches Sun-woo trying—and failing—to pull the shard from her shoulder. She brushes off his concern, but he asks her to hold still. He gently cleans around the wound, and she braces as he pulls it out.

They return together to the murder scene. Sun-woo notes that there’s no sign that Ma Hyun-tae put up any resistance, and looking at his terror-stricken face, she thinks he was paralysed by fear. Ki-hyung arrives in time to suggest the possibility of psychological trauma. Hyun-joon clenches his jaw at Ki-hyung’s arrival, and then walks out altogether.

Ki-hyung speculates on Ma Hyun-tae’s last actions and agrees that the man appeared to be fleeing. He tells Sun-woo to start her investigation at the juvenile detention facility where Jae-min and Ma Hyun-tae were held, and to look there for the third person: “The true culprit, who used Park Jae-min to murder women, and went as far as to kill Ma Hyun-tae to silence him.”

It’s daylight by now, and Sun-woo takes over the wheel from Hyun-joon. Staring dully ahead, he brings up her earlier question about how he knows victim Na-young, and tells her that she’s the younger sister of his hoobae, the operative who was killed in the hospital bombing a year ago.

She looks at him in compassion, and turning back to the road, tells him that she used to be in the police, too. But hired to fill the female quota, she was never allowed in the field and just made coffee for two years straight. It made her more determined to succeed, and that determination brought her this far, she tells him.

“Na-young is alive,” she says firmly, “We can save her.” Hyun-joon says nothing, but something lightens in him and his lips quirk up the tiniest bit.

Min-young pets Jae-min’s cat, while Han rattles off stuff about her increased risk of death due to exposure to felines. He leaps back when the fluffball gets too close, and his hand lands on the keyboard… uh-oh, just one try left now! Staring at the cat, he’s struck by a brainwave: To a single man whose father abandoned him, Jae-min’s cat must be like his child.

He finds the name “Filius” (Latin for “son”) on the cat’s collar and keys it in. It works, connecting them to a live video feed of Na-young, blindfolded and bloody in the cage.

Min-young reports it, but Han frantically calls her back and shows her the countdown at the top of the screen: There are eight hours left on the clock.

Back at the interrogation room, Ki-hyung brings up Jae-min’s juvie story and calls it out as untrue, which finally wipes the smirk from Jae-min’s face. Leaning in, Ki-hyung says that he thinks that Jae-min was the kid who tried to kill himself. Seizing his hands, he pushes up a sleeve to reveal a telltale scar on the young man’s wrist. He suggests Jae-min start talking.

At the detention center, the director recalls Jae-min as a timid boy who was bullied, and reluctantly reveals an incident where a boy was found dead in the boiler room. Jae-min and Ma Hyun-tae were thought to be witnesses, but neither boy ever revealed anything, and the incident was hushed up, he says.

Jae-min recounts to Ki-hyung how he was strung up by the heels while the room leader and his second beat him beyond feeling. When they finally let him down, he thought it was over. “But… I was wrong,” he says, trembling. Ma Hyun-tae pulled down his trousers… Oh no, no, no.

Reliving the memory, Jae-min breaks down but Ki-hyung implacably tells him to continue. Someone came down then, Jae-min whispers. The man came up to him and offered to kill one of them for him. Battered and traumatized, Jae-min promised to do anything for him if he did, and picked Ma Hyun-tae first. But when Ma begged and pleaded for his life, he pointed at the other boy.

The man then killed the boy viciously with a pencil to the neck. Covered in the other boy’s gore, Jae-min had grimaced with savage satisfaction. Ki-hyung asks who that man was, but Jae-min can’t say it. But it’s okay even if he doesn’t, Ki-hyung says, because he’s already figured it out.

Ki-hyung tells Sun-woo to look for their culprit among the facility guards, since it has to be someone who knew the kids and had power over them. Nana sends them a list of the possible suspects, but none of them fit.

Stymied, Sun-woo and Hyun-joon leave the facility. They observe someone else going in and find out he’s a probation officer, and all the pieces fit together—probation officers have the same authority as guards, they realize.

“Someone connected to both Park Jae-min and Ma Hyun-tae, and who has OCD…” Sun-woo says, recalling the obsessive precision of Jae-min’s former probation officer: “Ahn Sang-chul.”

Elsewhere, a kid admits to his probation officer, Ahn Sang-chul, that he has thoughts of stabbing women, and anytime he gets the urge, he sets a fire instead. He pleads for help, and a sharkish grin spreads over Ahn’s face. Lowering his voice, Ahn says he ought to just kill the women.

“How about it? Shall I help you?” he asks the kid. Going to the window, Ahn sees the detectives in their car outside.

Tired of waiting, Hyun-joon wants to go in, but Sun-woo warns him not to be hasty since they have yet to locate Na-young. But when there’s no news on that front either, Hyun-joon decides to capture Ahn now. Just then, Ahn emerges and they follow his car.

After a bit, Hyun-joon notices his strangely conscientious driving, despite the absolutely empty roads. “Does that seem to you like someone on the way to commit murder?” he asks Sun-woo. She argues that his obsessive compulsiveness could make him a fastidious driver, but Hyun-joon points out that he passed a stop line.

Turning on their police sirens, they pull his car over, but the person Hyun-joon drags out… is the kid, dressed up in Ahn’s suit jacket. Ahn himself, meanwhile, makes a getaway in a different car. With Sun-woo’s gun in one hand, he hollers along with the music, exhilarated.

In her cage, Na-young uses the ridged bars to saw at her ropes, and they finally give. Han and Nana scrutinize the video footage to try to find out where she’s being held. They notice the rhythmic bobbing of the light fixture and are able to ascertain that she’s on water somewhere.

They report to Ki-hyung at HQ that she must be on a boat docked somewhere on the Han River, which is the only body of water they’d be able to transmit live video from, but they could only narrow the possibilities down to three locations. With only an hour left on the clock, Ki-hyung determines that they’ve got to make Jae-min talk no matter what.

Ki-hyung mobilizes everyone to make it look to Jae-min as if everything is focused on him, and orders the temperature lowered to impair his thinking. The team file into the interrogation room with several large boxes marked “Ahn Sang-chul” (but filled with miscellaneous papers) which Ki-hyung tells Jae-min is all his data on Ahn’s serial murder-spree.

Ki-hyung tells him that they’ve arrested Ahn, and that he’s already laying all the blame on Jae-min. Jae-min refuses to believe him, but Ki-hyung harshly points out that Ahn is just using him, even though Jae-min thinks of him as family.

Laying down a photo of child-Jae-min with his parents, which he found in his late father’s wallet, Ki-hyung says that this is his real family. He urges Jae-min to let them save Na-young so she can return to her own family. Clutching his photo, Jae-min weeps brokenly.

Freeing herself from her blindfold, Na-young finds the keys just out of reach of her cage. She throws herself against the bars and manages to dislodge the entire cage, landing close enough to grab the keys and free herself.

Watching from the control room, Nana breathes in relief, but cries out when Na-young is jerked off-camera by the chain around her neck. Hyun-joon and Sun-woo arrive to find nothing but an empty cage. Ki-hyung meets them there, and orders Sun-woo to stay behind because of her injury. The rest of them spread out to search.

On land, Ahn jerks Na-young along by the chain through woodland. She resists (yes, thank you!) and Ahn gets anxious about not making his kill-time. He drags her up a hill, but spotting a broken bottle, she feigns collapse. Coming down, he clucks soothingly at her like an animal, and she brings the broken glass down on his leg.

In cold anger, he smacks her hard and she tumbles downhill. She flees to a derelict building, but he recaptures her.

Guns aloft, Hyun-joon and Ki-hyung come face-to-face in the woods. With ten minutes left on the clock, Ki-hyung says that Ahn is the type who would risk his own life to carry out his kill. “Like the bomber that time?” Hyun-joon asks. But Ki-hyung is adamant that they can stop him.

He receives Nana’s report of an abandoned young offenders’ facility nearby, and tells Hyun-joon that Ahn used to work there on weekends, but it got shut down after an arson incident. He thinks something definitely happened to him there.

Ahn brings Na-young to what looks like a basement, all set up with murderous creature comforts, and tells her to wait just a bit longer until the clock strikes ten—the time that they first met. (Well thanks for ruining this for me, show!)

Hyun-joon and Ki-hyung make their stealthy way into the building, arriving at the murder cage in time to see Ahn jerk Na-young upright by her neck-chain. Gun raised, Ki-hyung shouts out at him to stop, taking Ahn by surprise. Ahn points his own gun at Na-young, but Ki-hyung asks if he even knows how to use it, psyching him out by mocking him for not even being able to use his man-bits.

Hidden out of Ahn’s sight, Hyun-joon steadies his aim. Ki-hyung continues needling Ahn about his impotence and being rejected by girls, until Ahn finally loses it and shoots him, catching him in the arm. He’s immediately shot by Hyun-joon and collapses.

Kicking the gun away from Ahn, Hyun-joon apprehends him, and then unchains Na-young. She screams at first, thinking she’s being attacked, but he cuts through her panic by telling her, “It’s oppa! Oppa!” He holds her as she sobs into his chest.

Holding his injured arm, Ki-hyung leaves quietly, and in voiceover, he narrates a quote from Joseph Conrad: “The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary; men alone are quite capable of every wickedness.”

Case closed, Min-young gives the NCI’s press conference on Ahn’s capture the next day, while Nana, Han and Sun-woo look on. Nana admires her handiwork with Min-young’s makeup, and gives Han a dirty look when he remarks that she overdoes her own. Sun-woo grins when he goes off on another academic tangent, calling it “the Lee Han effect.” The ladies leave him behind as go off to eat, and he belatedly runs to catch up.

Sun-woo meets with Chief Director Baek about recruiting new field agents and passes along Ki-hyung’s recommendation—for Hyun-joon. According to his file, he graduated at the top of his profiling class. Interesting. Chief Director Baek thinks so, too.

Sun-woo goes to see Hyun-joon at his police station. She gives him an NCI application along with Ki-hyung’s letter of recommendation and invites him to join the NCI. She asks about his profiler past and he repeats that he has no interest in that. Considering him for a moment, she says that just as she misunderstood him, it’s possible he has a misunderstanding about what happened a year ago. She leaves him to think about the invitation.

Hyun-joon visits his hoobae Sang-hyun’s grave. “Sang-hyun-ah, I came here to tell you something,” he thinks. “I’ve been blaming the NCI for doing this to you, but now I don’t know what I should do.”

Sang-hyun has one more visitor: the superior who overrode Ki-hyung to give the fatal “pass” order. They walk together, and Hyun-joon asks the older man who gave the final order that day. With a deep sigh, the superior admits it was him.

That night, Hyun-joon ponders the application. There’s another case file open on his desk, and he picks up a photo of a boy with a girl. A flashback shows the girl being found dead on a riverbank, and the boy gazing stricken from the other side, as the girl’s mother sobbed over her. Him and… who? Dated 2003, the case file is titled, “Nadeul River Teenage Girl Murder Investigation Report.”

Taking out the application form, he begins to fill it out. We see the wall behind him full of cuttings, notes and arrows, all radiating out from a single picture of the same girl.

At NCI headquarters, Sun-woo peruses the same file. Ki-hyung finds her alone in the office, and asks if she still has the same nightmare. Picking a photo from his notebook, he hands it to her, reminding her of her first case.

He says he has nightmares of the monsters they meet, too, and when he does, he looks at the children they saved. Though they can’t save everyone, “We do enough to hold off the nightmares.” She thinks back to the little girl she saved, and he tells her that if she does that, she’ll find that she can sleep at night.

The next morning, Hyun-joon reports for work at the NCI offices and leaves a trail of female distraction behind him. Nana seriously has no time for Han’s (un)helpful debunking of pheromone myths, and the look she gives him clearly says, “Silence, dork, or I will hurt you with your own brain.”

Min-young gives Chief Director Baek a report by phone on her way to the office, when her train stops unexpectedly. A train attendant and someone who appears to be a plainclothes detective come through, and, noting that Min-young is NCI, he confidentially tells her they’re searching for a murderer’s accomplice who they think is on this train.

But before the detective gets much further, one of the passengers attacks him. Wrestling the gun from him, the man shoots the detective dead. When the attendant rushes at him, he shoots him, too.

Sun-woo takes Hyun-joon to Chief Director Baek, who says they can have introductions later: Right now, they’ve got a case. Ki-hyung holds a meeting for a case of passengers being held hostage on a train. They watch the available security footage, and eyes widening, Ki-hyung stops the video. They all stare in growing shock at the image of the shooter looming threateningly over Min-young.

 
COMMENTS

I’m coming into this show without any foreknowledge of the American original, and I have a largely positive feeling. While there are noticeable technical weaknesses, I find them easy to overlook thanks to the ability and chemistry of the central cast, which even in such a short time, has a comfortable magnetism that makes them easy to root for. There’s a particular fun in ensemble dramas, and though I’ve seen some criticism of some of the character interpretations (or rather, an actor’s ability to interpret the original character), I’m happier insulating myself from any exposure to the original because I’m much more interested in watching them make the show their own.

I’m not sure yet whether the remake aspect will be a bad thing or a good thing, but I can see how comparisons will be at the forefront of your mind if you’re a fan of the source material. If the show were less well-known or loved, it would be a much lesser burden on the remake, and I hope—if only for Lee Jun-ki’s sake, considering his last drama—that the producers don’t make a ham of things. That said, with a lesser cast, the burden on the source material to carry it is far bigger, but I think it can be offset somewhat with actors of established charisma. With the likes of Sohn Hyun-joo, Lee Jun-ki, and Moon Chae-won centering the show, I’m much more interested in seeing how they own the characters.

I find it really interesting that our central trio are all outwardly stoic in a way that borders on outright harsh, but it’s a thin exterior that clothes a compassionate core. It disobeys the law of fiction that characters must exist in opposites: If one is harsh, the other must be gentle; if one is cerebral, the other must be intuitive, and so on. Moreover, all three are profilers (of varying levels), so there’s much more connecting them than separating, and that makes a surprisingly unusual dynamic.

I think Ki-hyung has shown the most complicated personality so far, and I rather enjoy his sheer implacability. Though we don’t know what he was like before, it feels like his year away burned off any niceties in his personality, leaving only hard-edged necessity. His priority is to get the job done with maximum efficiency and minimal excess, and if that means he has to use underhanded methods on the bad guys, he will. He’s not cold, he’s unyielding, and that’s an interesting difference. I thought at first that he was immersed in a pickle of regret and guilt for the year away, but his words to Sun-woo at the end—that they do enough to ward off their nightmares—suggest that he’s not necessarily unable to forgive himself. Rather than guilt, it seems that it’s a loss of confidence in his ability as a profiler that kept him from coming back.

I’m glad that we’ve got some solid writing on this show, even though the opening case was fairly straightforward. I did guess the probation officer was the culprit the second he appeared, but I’m happy to let it pass since this is only the first case and I’m sure the complexity will increase in the weeks to come. Despite giving me momentary flashbacks to Strong Woman Do Bong-soon with the women in cages, it wasn’t dragged out, and the pacing of the episode, and case as a whole, worked. I admit I found it unexpectedly violent, and I subscribe to the less-is-more school of thought when it comes to graphic depictions. For example, the moment I found really horrific this episode was Jae-min revealing his rape; he didn’t need to say it—the suggestion was bad enough, and it was much, much worse finishing that thought off by myself.

I had a lot of fun in the first episode when I realized there was something of a traditional (in-drama) gender-role reversal between Sun-woo and Hyun-joon: She was gruff and exacting, he was fierce and prickly, and it was pretty hilarious. (Because when you’re watching Lee Jun-ki and the word “spunky” comes to mind, that takes you by surprise!) I can’t say I don’t like their current trajectory, which at the very least promises a lot of time working together. It’s evident that both Hyun-joon and Sun-woo have some connection to the teenage girl’s murder, coupled with a lot of unresolved pain, and watching that unfold over the course of the show should definitely be worth it.

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LoL, the cat does not look happy..

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this episode definitely felt more smoother and i was actually invested in the case thanks to the tension created through the directing. I'm definitely warming up to the characters and i'm glad it didn't take hyun joon long to join the NCI team. Here's to a great squad show in the making

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When Sun-woo interrupts Ki-hyung's class in episode 1 and he's saying you never know if a friend or family could be a serial killer, the camera pans to Sun-woo. It really makes me wonder what her connection to the case is, at first I thought it could be her powerful father covering for someone else, a simple case of being related to the case by corruption. But Ki-hyung looking pointedly at Sun-woo when he said that really planted the idea of a more direct connection like her being related to the killer.

All in all I'm loving this show and in great part due to the great cast. SHJ, LJK, and MCW are definitely the main draw for me. So I hope the show keeps focusing on them. The actor who plays Lee Han is the weakest link and I've never found Lee Sun-bin particularly engaging.

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I'm just focusing on the main 3 especially Son Hyun-joo's Ki-hyung. He's juggling 2 1/2 characters from the original imo.

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Still waiting on more background about Sun-woo, I think she's also a composite of 3 (even 4) characters from the mother series.

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It's telling that the three characters who aren't carbon copies of the US versions are the ones who flow more naturally and have the best rapport with each other. As for the other three, it's like they're on a different tv show.

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That part when Jae-min was narrating the real version of the events was quite disturbing but this episode felt much smoother than the first one which had gaps in the editing and execution of scenes (How did they manage to narrow down on Jae-min as a suspect? That scene where Sun-woo chased the person who murdered Ma Hyun-tae also felt off especially as she came out and was run-over by the car)

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The profiling wasn't well done nor well thought out. The director must have thought as long as they gather all the actors in one scene, have one or two actors read out the scripted dialogues, it would do the trick, but no. They have to set out the profiles! That is what makes the show tick, not running around, doing footwork like what normal police do!

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Totally agree!

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I'm terrible at explaining this *sigh.*

The profiling was for one unsub (that's what Ki-Hyung thought at first) but the first half fits Jae-min and the other half fits Ahn. (he eventually figured it out later)

Sun-woo showed up with a picture of Jae-min (still unconfirmed as the unsub) but the food truck owner said that she didn't see his face.
She only remembers the SUV and they got the license plate from the patrol person.

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I'm guessing they picked Jae-min from people that they have interviewed before based on Ki-hyung's profile.

It's vague as heck but I'm being very generous here.

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Somebody needs to sit down with Jae-min and have "the talk". You know, the one about how to choose secure passwords.

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It was cliche and dumb but the cat shared my opinion and was cute enough to make up for it.

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"Someone figured out my password, now I have to rename my cat."
I was laughing my head off because I posted this on my wall a couple days ago.

They are very vague with the background info on Jae-min and I have a hard time believing that a heartless sociopath like Jae-min would own a cute cat as a pet.
He kidnapped and watched these girls get tortured and killed etc. It doesn't make any sense that he would care for a cat.

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Ever watch a cat playing with a mouse? They can be happy little torturers when they aren't snuggling up to the big can-and-door opener.

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How would you know the cute cat hasn't been tortured or abused? We aren't given privy to what he does with it. Haha

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Based on the cat's reaction and appearance?

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I found the first episode very dull.. As a result i found myself losing interest in this episode...

The show feels so uneven - like the conversation in the car.. He says the victim is the sister of his dead colleague... In response she talks about how she was discriminated as a woman and says she understands him.. Like what?????... How are the 2 related?... What a random response... Or Maybe it was my subs and it made sense in korean?...

Like The first scene when she gets hit by the car, there is no way she would fly over the car since she just came out of the door and the car did not have that much speed.. She should have been crushed instead..

.....so I'm going to look at the next episode as a brand new story as episode 1 bec i love ljk and i desperately want to watch this..... hopefully all the direction and editing stuff will be sorted out...

But watching dramas should not be this much work... FoS has spoiled me..

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Btw, are there any fans of the original American series here?.... I do not like this spencer or garcia version at all.. Esp spencer

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I'm a huuuuuge fan of the original criminal minds, and if I'm honest, I'm really struggling to not compare them. I think that's the tough thing about remakes, if this was a new, stand alone crime drama by tvn id be sooooo into it. But while I don't dislike it, it doesn't quite strike the chords we we're led to believe it was aiming for. The actors are doing a great job, it's just that we are so aware they are copying another drama I think its easier to realise they are acting instead of just buying right into the story.

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I'm totally ignoring both but Reid had a major role in the next episode ("Derailed"). Hopefully they'll use one of the more experienced actors.

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Reid was my least favorite character in the US version and he's somehow worse in this. He's even more pedantic and off-putting than the original.

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Lol, it's hard to not compared both version. Nana Hwang is definitely better than Lee Han, korean version of Reid need improvement.

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Orig CM fan here. I could refrain myself from comparing korean versions of the characters, but in Ep 1 Lee Han used a specific line that Reid used in the original.

I'll keep on trying not to compare with the original so I might enjoy this more.

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I'm a middle of the road fan of the original show (I watched 8 seasons). I thought it was okay but that there were better procedurals that could have been adapted. (Lee Joon Gi in The Mentalist...I'm just saying.)

I think Garcia's character is a little over the top here but it's nothing that can't settle down. Maybe because I haven't watched in years, but I really wasn't bothered by the actor who plays Spencer. He really hasn't had much to do yet.

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Hi, fellow Mentalist lover! This sounds soo good. But I would take Mentalist remake even without Lee Joonki (I don't know if I can stand him playing another tortured soul).

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I am a fan but I am open to new interpretation as long as they make it their own. I try to analysed in 2 way, like as their own cause we have many Korean crime related drama now to get a bigger grasp and what the similarities.

In a sense Lee Han, he sounds like a child and less a doctor, especially when he panicked today, it looked like a detective - teen like drama which hard for me to believe that he is a profiler.

They don't have to be reid and garcia, they just have to be the genius and the tech with their own personality.

If I compared to the OG, there is this cute and very good banter that reid did in the 1st episode which is gold to tell what kind of person he is and Lee Han is far from that.

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I wish they'd stop giving Reid's original lines to Lee Han. He looks like he doesn't know what the heck he is saying.

I'm trying to watch it with an open mind too. The original wasn't perfect either. Some of the cases could've been solved without the profiling.

The chemistry and relationship between the team members in the original was what I enjoyed the most.
(Gideon and Reid, Morgan and Garcia etc).

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yeah, the original isn't perfect but we can see the team feeling since the 1st ep,

They feel connected and have a very good communication, they respond to other people joke and have a discussion, which I really appreciated to address what they want to show to the viewer ^ ^.

They also adore Reid so much.

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Lee Han doesn't look like someone with 3 PhD degrees to me.

I'm working and interacting with many PhD students and academics, many of whom hold multiple PhDs and are even pursuing postgraduate degrees in other disciplines. They don't necessarily all look and behave like nerds or geniuses. Actually they are very different from one another, but there is one thing that they all share in common, that is their sense of self-assuredness. No matter who they are on the outside, the boastful or the humble, the confident or the shy and quiet, the good-humoured or the stoic and serious, once they open their mouth you know that they know what they're talking about and very knowledgeable.

Lee Han simply doesn't exude that aura. The way the actor interprets the character only screams a flashy exterior with a hollow inside, as if all he has to show is 'Hey look, my character is a nerd and a genius because he's supposed to have 187 IQ and 2-going-on-3 PhD degrees!' I haven't watched the original but even as a stand-alone character he's completely unconvincing to me.

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I never watched the original because I'm not a procedural fan. I do make the rare exception for both American and Korean dramas, but it is rare. I'm trying to hold out for this show, and I'm not in love with it by far, there's enough interest to keep watching and wait and see.

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I am a huge fan of the original series (up until this latest season when they kicked Hotch and Morgan out, then I was done)....and I was really looking forward to this kdrama version.

I must say though, I really liked Ki-Hyung, Sun Woo and Hyun Joon -- still waiting for Min Young to grow on me but she's okay so far. Nana isn't so bad, I would have liked a more plus sized actress playing Penelope's character but my real issue is with Lee Han. He's soooo wooden! No charisma or cuteness at all --compared to Spencer Reid's adorkable cute.

I will keep on watching though as I like the trio and its interesting how they meshed characters for the kdrama version (Ki-hyung being a mix of Hotch and Gideon, I see hints of Emily and Elle in Sun Woo).

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even two-wheeling through a particularly narrow street.

I'm afraid my willing suspension of disbelief missed a turn there and crashed into a brick wall.

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The directing and camera work aren't not up to par. I've seen better car chases. It was also less convincing because both Jun Ki and Chae Won in this scene didn't look like they were on the edge of their seats. For car chase scenes, please don't act for the camera. Ignore that damn thing and look like you are going to crash at any time. There is no millisecond for any other thoughts or expressions.

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I am too spoiled by FOS? I am usually not critical about editing or directing, but FOS set the bar so high now it really feels awkward watching lesser scenes. I agree with you. Both directing and camera work is nothing to crow about. It feels like they filmed the entire scene in a studio, and thus unable to bring out the urgency of the moment. I expected more from LJK and MCW.

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What is FOS, if i might ask.

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Forest of Secrets

marathon it, it just ended yesterday!

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Obviously, you don't like this drama and you don't want to like it.. So, can you stop spreading your negativity everywhere and leave in peace.

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I think you are the one being negative and silly. Embrace all opinions with open arms. I am not the only one criticizing the drama here. If you like the drama so much, then comment about it with the positive feelings you have about it.

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Same. That entire chase sequence once they turned down into a heavily pedestrian trafficked street just smacked of typical American filming style to me. It was made all the more over the top when they blocked the car from hitting the woman and her baby.

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Well, that was one slick car-chase scene.

This show is really hitting all the right emotional notes. I’m really happy with the direction and I’m optimistic that we’ll keep getting this type of quality acting in future episodes. The interrogation scene between Kang and Jae Min as he recounts his abuse at the juvenile detention center was both horrifying and moving and I found myself leaning into my screen (not because of the horrible act which no, but because of the emotion displayed by the actor). Criminal Minds has always been a show that relied strongly on the acting ability of its villains/criminals in order to deliver the creepy factor. Props to the actors in these first two episodes, particularly Jae Min. He left nothing behind in that scene.

Contrast him with Ahn Sang Cheol, the killer orchestrating everything and my goodness. His whooping and happiness in the car was truly creepy. I really enjoyed watching Lee Han and Nana work together to interpret clues in the video and figure out where the victim is. It was such a nice scene depicting their team work. And I definitely enjoyed Lee Han’s character more during this episode his moments felt a lot smoother and more natural.

Did I already mention how much I love Sun Woo from the first episode? Because I think it bears repeating. The additional bits on her background we got this episode just keeps on solidifying this for me. In the previous episode, Hyun Jun profiled her as someone who doesn’t care for other’s feelings and has to always say what she wants. If her time as a police officer was as infuriating and insulting as we’ve been told then it would make sense that she’s a woman with her walls up. She came from a job that only saw her sex and not her skill-set, so as an NCI agent, she’s constantly on top of her game and worrying more about the work than she is her own self. Which explains why at the beginning she was so unconcerned about her injury (she was impaled!) and more focused on catching the culprit. She doesn’t ever want to be seen as weak again. So I felt how disappointed she must have been when Kang ordered her to stay back at the boat because of her injury.

I agree that Ki-Hyung is the most fleshed out character and I’m looking forward to getting to know the rest better in the remake world.

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Sun-woo is already my favorite but that's no surprise. I fell in love instantly with Elle and when I thought the joy of my life had left the show, they introduced Emily. So it seems logical my love for the Korean CM would be Sun-woo.

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Elle and Emily were such good parts of the original show. And I enjoy seeing bits and pieces of them in Sun Woo.

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Everyone's chemistry is reason enough for me to watch. And lee junki.. there can never be enough of him

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My main issue with the show right now is the lack of intensity. Na-young's life is at stake, but not once did i feel a sense of urgency or fear that her life was really at stake. And that scene where Hyun-joon and Ki-hyung were idly chatting in the woods while Na young was on the brink of death further angered me.

I think this is one of the rare times where the American drama system is beneficial. Since it's only an hour there is no room for unnecessary scenes, and the same case doesn't drag on for three or even four episodes (I'm looking at you Mystery Queen).

As someone who hasn't seen the original, I'm quite enjoying the direction the show is taking so far and the overarching case that ties our leads together. But I can't help comparing it to how amazinggggggg Forest of Secrets is and as a result all the flaws stick out even more.

On paper this show should be great but the execution is...eh. Hopefully since one of the PDs left the show, everything should be a bit more cohesive.

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"And that scene where Hyun-joon and Ki-hyung were idly chatting in the woods while Na young was on the brink of death further angered me." Yeah, I was reminded of some parts of Bad Guys (*old drama spoiler alert*) like when Jung Moon suffered what was played as a serious stab wound and he wasn't immediately put in an ambulance when they were rescued, but instead treated like nothing? Or when they arrest the first serial killer and instead of checking on the attempted victim he'd attacked, Gu Tak and the Chief just stood around talking for a minute? /end spoilers

I loved Bad Guys and still do, but things like that take you out of the moment. Same here. Something like that won't make me not like a show, but it does downgrade it for me. It can still be enjoyable and rewatchable but not in the same category as something like, say, Forest of Secrets (or even Two Weeks, which was very tightly woven and didn't have any of those kinds of scenes).

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I am probably in the minority that like this episode less than the first. It's because I expected more from the closing of the case and the villain was a letdown. Strangely for some reason even when the clock was ticking, there was hardly any tension.

There was also something missing about the way the villain was written or profiled. He came off as a cardboard caricature, dime a dozen psychopathic killer. Since this show is about criminal profiling, I wish they paid more attention to the area.

I have not seen the original but I checked it out briefly just the other day to get a feel. The characters in the original seem pretty normal to me, like they have no angsty stories or personal loss, is it true? Here, I groan that the main characters all have some pain and angst, do we need any more emo kdrama characters? Starting the first case with a victim who is related to one of the main characters makes the writing manipulative. It was also conveniently the push for Hyun Joon to join the team. I hope they will focus more on cases which can hook us without this trick.

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I'm thinking the writers just wanted a nod to the pilot episode of the original series which is why they chose this as their premiere episode. We still have 18 more episodes to go. Hopefully as we go through each week they'd be able to polish their editing and their adaptation of cases from the original series.

Some members of the BAU team also have their own backstories that are tragic (a child abuse victim, daughter of a serial killer, etc.) but it only comes up every once in a while.:)

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Since I didn't watch the original, my requirement is really low - I just want the cases to be good and criminal profiling solid.

About the backstories, I wish kdramas can be more subtle. The way they do it may end up getting the opposite effect. I wasn't very convinced with Ki-hyung being so traumatized by that one episode. Sure, the tragedy happened because he wasn't confident enough but for a veteran in this field, aren't these part of their type of work? It's brutal and leaves scars for sure but the show doesn't need to go overly dramatic about it.

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I think the 2nd episode was more focused on bahaivior analysis of Jae-min rather than the probation officer. I found Jae-min story really dark and real and he was an intresting psycho-path...

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Yes! I hate how the writer tries to manipulate us into rooting for the hero with not just one tragic back story, but two?! I am sure we can root for a character with or without a back story. I am not very feeling LJK's character at the moment either. He seems to overact/too intense(?) in certain scenes while MCW is so underwhelming in others. Generally, I fail to connect to any character in the show.

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Does Hyun Joon have another tragic back story? Oh dear...

I think Lee Jun Ki is not overacting as much in this drama as he was in previous ones. I've been trying to get the right word on it because it's not so much overacting per se but canned expressions. Shocked, angry, sad, emo etc are all presented using a set of fixed facial expressions - narrowing of the eyes, cocking of one eyebrow, furrowing of eyebrows and so on. To be fair, many actors do it as well. It's just a matter of degree and you'll be become more sensitive when you watch the actor in more than one drama. However, there are a few very good ones and even not famous ones who are so natural that you don't get this kind of feeling at all.

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There is also a dead girlfriend.

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Brace yourself for the angst. It was forecast miles ago when the news of Park Si-Eun (little Chae-Kyung - 7DQ) was cast as LJK's character's girlfriend.

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eh...dead girlfriend isn't enough but a childhood one? Was this somewhat in the original or the Korean take?

Maybe the majority loves this kind of stuff and the angsty hurt hero. I don't unless they are superbly nuanced in bringing it up.

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Korean scriptwriters seem so fond of these tropes (tragic childhood love stories plus tragic hero) they won't spare a drama to insert them if they've got a chance!

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The backstories for Hyun-joon's character is a Korean take.
Everyone was part of BAU (FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit) team except for one of the girls (Elle -partly played by Min-young in the next episode) in the beginning of the show. She officially joined the team after the first episode.

In this Korean version Hyun-joon is the one who joins the team at the end of this episode.

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@outofthisworld - the dead girlfriend is the childhood sweetheart (died when they were still teens). That seems to be Hyun-joon's tragic backstory and from the looks of it, either it ended up being a cold case or Sun-woo is somehow connected to the person responsible for the crime.

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IDK why anyone would be shocked by the tragic backstory, it's a kdrama, everyone gets a tragic backstory. In the original the tragedies were of a different flavor.

CSA for Morgan, also the cousin they all thought had died. Emily's deep cover stint. JJ's sister's suicide. I remember Garcia had lost loved ones but I can't recall how. Reid's family issues, his dead friend he thought had been killed by his mother. And the only ones who didn't have some tragedy were Hotch and Elle (I think, at least I can't remember her having a tragic past) got some tragedy and trauma later.

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For me, it isn't so much shock as "oh, this again."

As someone that is not familiar with the US series, it is interesting to me to learn that all of them in the US version had tragic/traumatic backgrounds. That makes the "Oh, this again" ktrope disappointment a bit less so.

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I am not shocked but more like disappointed.

Backstory is a very common method of giving details to a character. If a story or character can be interesting without having a dramatic backstory, I'd say it is an accomplishment.

What I am trying to say here is that I'd like it better if characters are ordinary people with interesting and distinct personalities to draw me in instead of relying of dramatic/tragic backstories. The method of delivery is also important. If we can't avoid dramatic backstories, then tell it to us in a less dramatic way. Kdramas tend to be very heavy handed in this aspect. In fact, I have this feeling that they relish in making the characters as tragic as possible. I read somewhere that it's because Lee Jun Ki excels in playing angsty roles. I guess it has the opposite effect for me. I prefer it when he isn't emo and intense. I don't even like Sohn Hyun Joo's intensity here although he is way better. He was remarkable in The Chaser.

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I agree with you
I don't mind backstory but my problem is everyone has a tragic backstory right away.
Happy home or memory and many positive things can be a back story too.

Then in here, we have the sad tragic double backstory for LJK, another one from MCW, another one for Son Hyun Joo in just 2 episode.

Not to mention the sister+victim and the perpetrator, everyone is getting the fair share of tragic life from the start.
It makes the story saturated with the same tragic story.
Just if they take a step back and let one of the tragic reveal later, it would give more punch.
Also, the case doesn't always need to be related to the team all the time.

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Sadly, I checked this out for MCW and am sad to be disappointed. She's not bad, just not amazingly good as I hoped she would be.

Ditto about a lack of connection to any character in the show. I even feel annoyed by the young boy (who boasted about having an IQ of 187 or something) among the crew. Can't pinpoint the problem but well, he's just not my cup of tea.

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Let's hope she can be amazingly good in the later episodes when we get to see her behind her mask *winks*

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Yeah, I read from another beanie's comment that she's a slow starter, so I'll give a few more episodes. I haven't watched the original so I know nothing to expect of; as for now I'm just basing my judgement on what she has to deliver. That is not to say MCW is an outstanding or excellent actress and by miles ahead of her peers, but she can make her characters very likable. Unfortunately although I don't dislike her character here she hasn't warmed up to me yet. I hope she will come across as less forced in later episodes.

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I don't think the characterization was meant to make her relatable or likable from the get go. It's actually the other way around. So, with that, she is doing a good job in delivering what supposed to be.

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I should have made better choice of words. By likable I don't mean the character has to be a nice and friendly person for me to like her. I should have said 'believable' instead. The angsty look feels very unnatural and I feel a very acute sense that she, among other actors, is acting instead of living their respective character. It could be the acting, or the directing, or both. That said, I'll wait to see how the characters here will be handled later on.

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The problem with Lee Han is the actor is just not very good.

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Yeah, makes me wonder if he wants his character to be hated or something... It feels like he's doing a parody on a genius character rather than convincing people he's a genius himself.

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Some of the profilers have tragic/complicated back stories but they are fleshed out over multiple seasons. The k-drama doesn't have that luxury.

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I think the 2nd ep is also not as good as the 1st, the improvement and what I really enjoy is the last scene when LJK profile someone in the police office, that is smooth.

The characters in the original seem pretty normal to me, like they have no angsty stories or personal loss, is it true?

in the sense of general season, they have their own story or personal loss in your word but it developed slowly since it works as season, it will reach the climax in the end of the season.
I think the 1st episode show that Gideon [the old guy] has some kind of sad story but he looked tough and content like even if someone broke them, they will have the power to back up again.

I also have the irky feeling about the manipulative writing, everyone looked like a victim so it make me question,
will they choose this job if they just a normal people?
will they give all to this job if they can separate it from their personal mission?
are they keep projecting them into the victim and are they always motivate by feeling?
I also find the revelation about the bombing [who said what] is a cop out. That's a 50:50 chance and I just find that at the end this is just a misunderstanding because the main lead is never at wrong??
there is no suspense, belief ans the whole case seems like a set up for LJK character [hyun joo] to join the team as he is the best profiler in the police academy. Come on, he can join just because he is talented.

They also [for me] haven't explained how profiling is a good technique that compliment the police, when or why the police isn't enough. In the OG we know that they came when the police asked them, when the police didn't detected a more serious case or when the police have done the interrogation so they can help them filtered where is the real information and that info is from the 1-2 ep while in here it seems like they are in the front line and the police didn't do much.

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I wish the show did not try to copied Reid and Garcia character because they are one of a kind and unique and cannot be copied by anyone else. I'm a big fan of the original series and barely able to hold myself to compare both shows characters everytime they came on screen.

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I agree. Since they can come up with LJK's character as a conventional kdrama hero with a tragic back story, why can't they make those two characters into kdrama adaptations of the characters instead of following the original blindly, but without the quirks? They seem so normal, and not very impressive.

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Truthfully though, I can see a lot of fan outrage if they dared leave either of those characters out.

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Jae Min's past story was so scary and awful. It added another layer to the current case. The situation felt more urgent and added some apprehension. Ahn Sang Chul was a typical villain though. This case wasn't something extraordinary, but it is the first one so I don't mind. Similar to US crime shows or other procedural shows, there will some weekly cases and then some bigger mysteries to solve.

I'm glad Hyun Joon knows the truth about the final "pass" order and is giving NCI another chance. I did not know he was a profiler too. He's not so hotheaded anymore. I like his deduction about the cheater in the police station.

I liked this episode better than the first one. Curious about the connection Sun Woo and Hyun Joon has with the cold case. I hope the PD/writer develop this side of the plot well.

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I'm just mainly very impressed with Na-young's spirit throughout this episode. She was smart to quickly call Hyun-joon in the car the moment she felt something was wrong. She actually cut the ropes herself and never stopped trying to run away and escape. While she was desperate, she was also thinking smartly about each action. She's got guts.

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Just once when a kidnapping victim is being brave and resourceful like that, I'd like to see the rescuers arrive in time to see her standing over what's left of the criminal and saying "What took you so long?"
(Ok, twice. There was an episode of the BBC series MI5).

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Thus far, this isn't quite working for me either as a remake or a standalone story. There's so much huge potential. I hope the general quality will continue to improve into something great.

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Well, well,
I read elsewhere, the PD was replaced.
Look forward for the development of MCW's character... and for Lee Han to be even more quirky.

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There are 2 PDs who have been working together. One left because of creative differences with the production company, and the other is still in charge.

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I wasn't impressed with the drama into the first two episodes. Something about it is not clicking for me. I am not sure what. I don't like how the actor portrayed the genius character too. He comes off as normal? Not genius or quirky? And the IT woman? I expected her to be more quirky too, but she also seems so normal. I thought she is some kind of IT genius?

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I enjoyed watching this ... I don't want to compare american & korean version ...

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I need some help guys.... i want to watch this badly but cant find a site. Neither dramafever or viki has it. Where can i go for the show with eng subs?

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Does Netflix have the official rights? Think I heard recently who has it and its not usual suspects like Viki, DF or Kokowa. That's bad news as far as I am concerned. More sites carrying fewer kdramas each means you need more accounts and get less for your money with each paid subscription.

Try Viewasian.com.

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If MCW's character is following prentiss, then I must say she had a really2 sad back story. She was a former CIA agent who did awful undercover stuff, some of which eventually hunted her while working at the BAU. I'm really curious if they will adapt from the original CM.

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Prentiss is one, but I think she's more of a composite of three other profilers from that show as well.

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Thanks for the recap!
I've just completred my first aid training and I can tell you, DO NOT remove anything stuck in wound as it may cost major blood lost. But hey, it's drama! And LJG can get away from anything with his face ?

MCW get better in this show, we need to see more of her character background. Did she got anything to do with Hyunjoon sister murder case or she was simply curious about Hyunjoon past (as he might join the NCI team).

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YESS lol this is almost as bad as trying to suck the venom out from a snake bite.

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oh that scene, I was like
"yeah go to the hospital if you have time to stop and did it for yourself"

it doesn't make sense

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Second episode was better than the first and it should be more interesting now that LJK has officially joined NCI. Will keep watching depending on how the team dynamics and acting goes in the next episodes.

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I really want to see LJG doing a romance drama not comedy only plain romance. What they call it? Maybe 'melodrama'!! I'm sure he is going to burn my screen with those intense beautiful eyes he has. His gazes one of a kind in kdrama land.

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i will give this a couple more episodes...

i'm rather disappointed, and the news regarding one of the PD's departure is not helping my disdain. i was soooo looking forward to this drama...
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I think Son Hyun Joo's acting is the most solid one. Although he wore heavy makeup, I enjoyed his acting.

I think Lee Joong Gi drank too much red ginseng lol. His character is a hot-blooded one so he needs more red ginseng lol.

I think Moon Chae Won has not figured out her SW character yet. I understand that It is the most difficult character to be portrayed. I am still waiting for MCW to deliver her SW character. I am a big fan of MCW so I know she is a slow starter.

The actor who played Jae Min was great. I really enjoyed the moment when he gave the impression that he was sexually abused. I don't know his name but he is good.

It is still too early to makeup my mind so I will watch next episodes.

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I'm looking forward to the guest stars. The original had some really great ones.
My favorite was the "Reaper," Hotch's archenemy played by C. Thomas Howell.

When Ki-myung introduced him in the first episode I started thinking about Korean actors that would be perfect for the role and would match well with Son Hyun-joo.

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Things I appreciated about the 2nd episode:

1. When I read that LJG was going to play a new character, a "hot headed police detective" I was underwhelmed because it is such a cliche type character. We all know there is going to be the interrogation room scene where the suspect is told to spill the beans or else. Okay so we got that, but I've actually been pleased that the character is written more down to earth and not so OTT at least so far.

2. One of my favorite scenes from episode 2 is at the grave site. I liked that Hyun-Joon realized he might have been wrong in his understanding of what happened that day. I like that his boss calmly told him the truth, the CYA aspect of why it was covered up and that he would live with it for the rest of his life. And it was all done in a normal conversational format...no crying, hitting the knees, yelling etc. Sometimes the OTT drama of the dramas starts to lose its impact with me so I like how this went down.

I'm overall happy with the show with episode 2 having a better flow. Because it is such a plot driven show, I don't know if it will be a great showcase for any of the main actors. For example this is not a US show that expects acting Emmy nominations, but I like the procedural format so I'm in.

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I like it less than the original, most of the characters seem to be written as larger than life and so dramatic. Like, the way Nana Hwang talks is too upbeat and happy, she seems unsympathetic. Garcia wasn't like that, she still acted with a sense of urgency. And maybe I just forgot, but does Reid not hold eye contact in the original? I also did not like how they say the ending quote. It seems more suitable for the stage rather than the small-screen. All that aside, I liked the cast. They have very good chemistry.

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Reid does hold eye contact. He's got some social awkwardness about him but overall when he's in the profiler/on-the-job mindset he's capable of pushing through without any difficulties since he falls back into his professor/professional demeanor.

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So, I guess it's a good thing that I haven't watched the original one. I like their premiere episodes and accepting almost all of the characters for the way they are.. Looking forward to next week episodes with glasses Hyun Joon :)

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Oops, I mean, "this week" episode..

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I might be in the minority but I don't feel that having seen the original decreases my enjoyment of this remake. Mainly because I didn't go in expecting it to be the exact version? Despite being a remake Korean directors and writers have their own formula and things will be tweaked for their primary audience. Also, I expected the characters to also have certain tweaks since some of the American quirks might translate differently to a Korean audience?

The show isn't perfect, but I'm enjoying seeing bits from the original and the characters I enjoyed while also enjoying the different execution.

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I read many people complaining and comparing with the original ... I want to be Fair and judge based on my evaluation . I enjoy watching this ...and I think all the casts seriously play their roles. And I would like to appreciate their hard work ...

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Plot: The original had the two suspects' backstory take place in prison and didn't have any specific assault that led to their relationship; the prison guard protected the accomplice from other prisoners and the accomplice felt like he owed him. The mention of insomnia is a callback to the original episode, where the password did actually have to do with the suspect's sleep issues. The lead into the next episode looks to be based episode 1x9 "Derailed".

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Ok this show has hilarious over the top scenes. How does she survive that accident and walk away from it and THEN EVEN drive a car ... What !!! She should be in hospital with a lot of bone fractures .The camera work and the editing feels like its done by amateurs. Its also my fault because i am watching 'Forest of Secrets' and compared to that this feels like a homemade video . The good thing about this show is the characters and the writing is okay. I might watch more episodes but as its pre produced i have to go along with the bad camera work ( use a stabilizer :/ and stop with the weird cuts). .. hopefully there are no over the top cgi scenes.

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I like the US Criminal Minds. This version's cast hold up on their own and I am able to take them as they are, except on the Lee Han character. There is something amiss on the actor's interpretation of Spencer Reid.

Small thing and I enjoyed the episodes so far.

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I really wish they put more emphasize on the profiling part more. That's the thing that make Criminal Minds differ from other shows. I had to say, the editing was a bit off in these 2 eps. Hope the 3rd ep is better. Watch the preview and don't LJK looks smashingly hot in glasses ??

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In term of character trajectory, I find Lee Han and Hwang Hana introduction is better than hyun joo and sun woo because they join the team for a passion that they know will change things rather than being sad because of what criminal did to their life. It sympathetic and it can be a legit motivation but the director show it so we can pity them rather than cheering them.
Then you add the character's portrayal, they are hotheaded, argue because they don't like something, work without the urgency or policy and it doesn't match up. Their background story and their action didn't make sense. If they are motivated by their memory, they should be able to work with more accept manner to everyone that have information.
It reminds me of the 1st ep of Voice, we have a loss and we have a cold character , they get angry even hot tempered but they did their work because when it needed, asking for the job and they exchange information.

If there is a reason why my comment is hardly about the good things, it because the negative things overshadows the good side. The show feel half-heart in showing when it need to be urgent or even sympathetic-sad, not much stick out. The Hyun Joo-his friends-the sister doesn't give proper build up to actually know that it impacted him. The interrogation part is a guess things and didn't reveal why it's something that need a deep psychological analysis since what he say is a mundane things.

I hope the actor fans in this drama don't take this as bad way.
Yes there is many fans of the original but to be fair they aren't the only one who find the show underwhelming and what people brought is something that will be criticized even for a new drama.

The camera work, the editing, the decision making [especially the car wound], the super heavy backstory that is the same for everyone important in the story, the awkward acting or even the music.

I maybe expecting more and that's on me but if after you poured time to focus, watching closely , try to understand but still find the story hard to explain and don't understand how they came to the conclusion, I think the story has a problem in their own.

I hope they got better, they have a good cast and they have potential to be better.

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Being a fan of CM, I was excited when I heard about the remake and since I haven't watched any Korean crime show, I was really curious to see how they would handle the show. I don't really mind the characters since it's been 2 episodes only so I'm hoping that the characters will be fleshed out more in later episodes. I just hope that not all cases will be connected to the main characters. I get that the first one has to involve Na young so Hyun Joon can become a part of the team and I appreciate that because it also sets up the dynamics between HJ and Ki-hyung. But the second case though. Really show? I enjoyed the randomness of the cases in CM but more importantly the profiling of the unsub. To me that's what makes the show different from other procedurals. I like it when the team use their specialties to figure out what goes on in the mind of the unsub. What makes them tick? What's their story? Why did they become monsters? The first 2 episodes didn't impress me in terms of profiling but I'll keep watching and hopefully the show will improve.

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I guessed that it was the probation officer too and I was practically shouting at them to use their heads. Maybe I have just watched too many crime procedurals!
But, I am more interested in the character trajectories and I hope, the show doesn't disappoint *fingers crossed*

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Lee Jun-ki is badass but I want Moon Chae-won to be more badass! I like Min-young more at this point and I am hooked!

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I think that's one thing going for the criminal minds remake- the horror, the graphic and the implications..It's rather brutal to watch but I guess that's the flavour of criminal minds..As for comparing characters, I think it's fair because tvn seemed to highlight the US character comparison (their promos)...Yet,even if you look at it without hammering into character similarities, it is rather stereotypical K-drama character set-up..the misunderstanding emo cop?the cold cop with a past?their leader with cracks?..they are the leads but how about the other ones? they are part of the team;the writers should make us like them too..this show is few episodes long; we don't knee tortuous in-your-face character history expose- we need a team profiling those grotesque murders and subtly getting to appreciate them whoever badly they seem to be depicted/written..

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LJK character is potraying derek morgan, but LJK did not try to copy morgan character entirely. however lee han and Na Na characters is totally poor imitation of Reid and Garcia and they make it that they try too hard and end up weird and awkward. why can't these 2 characters take some of Reid and Garcia essence and make it their own quirkiness.
I wonder if Min Young is combination of Elle and JJ because in the original series, JJ is not a profiler, she was media liaison. she only become profiler in Season 7 after Prentis left. and it was Elle who was in the train.

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Has Moon Chae Won's face always looked a bit bloated? Or the plain ponytail style just doesn't suit her..

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She's always having those apple chubby cheeks with her. So, plain ponytail will makes the face noticable chubbier. But when she pull down the hair, she will looks like her the normal her (i.e. CM's press conference).

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Do you mean bloated or not sharp?

When I first started reading interviews of Korean celebrities, I was tickled by the numerous complaints of 'bloated' faces because they look perfectly alright to me.

If you have seen a celebrity in real life, you'd surprised they are smaller in size in real life than on screen. If they look just nice on screen, they are probably skinny in real life and if they look skinny on screen, they are in real life emaciated.

Of course, an actor will look nicer onscreen with sharp and chiseled features but I honestly don't care. More than a 'bloated' face, I am aghast at how some actors lost significant amount of weight and now look anorexic. Uee looks like a walking skeleton, I am keeping it to myself but in my opinion, she has a eating disorder. I don't want to judge but at times, I feel like shouting "Can someone close to her get her to seek help?!" she can't do it herself.

If Lee Jun Ki doesn't stop losing weight, he is also going down that road. I wish fans would stop raving over his sharp jawline because he needs no more encouragement. I am sure there are more examples of celebrities starving themselves to look like perfect on screen. One Karen Carpenter is one too many.

I've gone into my own tirade. To answer your question, MCW always has a fuller face. I actually like that her character has her hair up in ponytail. It's exactly what I would imagine a police officer to have for practical reasons.

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ljk become so thin its not healthy at all

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So glad to see LJK back in action again in the present (Cause he always do historical drama). I love his drama time between wolf and dog. First 2 episode are okay for me since I don't watch the original drama i can't compare them. I'm planning watch Stranger (forest of secret) and started downloading it but then boom I saw it's already in NETFLIX started watching it last night

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It feels like these first episodes were a prologue. Hoping that the show takes off now that the team has been assembled.

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I kinda binge watch these episodes coz am super fan of its American version and I was expecting a lot. I was trying to compare each character to its counterpart, for it was obviously seen who were Spencer and Penelope, and i was trying to convey if Team Manager might be Hotchner or Gideon.
But as far as i can assess, it was a good start for the series. Iv seen some parts of the original version role into two episodes. It was worth watching overall and highly recommend.

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