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Criminal Minds: Episode 3

It’s another spine-tingling case this time as a ghost from the past returns to wreak havoc. The murders are bloodier and darker, and more lives are at stake the longer it takes for the NCI team to capture the killer. While Team Leader Ki-hyung continues to struggle with his own inner demons, he must learn to trust himself and his new team as they chase after a real demon roaming the streets of Korea.

 
EPISODE 3 RECAP

Two men run on top of railroad tracks, and the camera pans to a train with profiler Min-young riding inside. An attendant brings her a requested charger, but as she plugs it in, she drops her folder which has the NCI emblem printed on the front.

A man in black notices it, and tells the passenger sitting in front of him that Min-young works for the NCI. He whispers to the man, calling him CHO SEOK-HWAN, and needles him to act. Suddenly, the train stops, and in the confusion, a shifty-looking man slinks into the back of the train car, unnoticed by the other passengers.

An attendant and a plainclothes officer come through, and the attendant quickly reassures everyone about the train’s status. Min-young realizes the man behind him is a detective and offers her assistance. Noting that Min-young is NCI, the detective tells her that a murder suspect might have fled onto the train after his accomplice was hit.

He suggests that she remain seated, but the stranger who snuck in notices their little exchange with worry. The man in black also watches the detective, and points out to Cho that the man is carrying a gun.

As the detective resumes his investigation, Cho lunges at him and steals his gun. In a panic, he shoots the detective dead, and when the attendant rushes at him, Cho shoots him, too. With two people instantly dead, no one dares to move, and Cho swings the gun at Min-young, accusing her of being a police officer, too.

The NCI team watches security footage of the hostage situation inside the train, but Ki-hyung stops the video, recognizing Min-young. Hyun-joon asks Nana to zoom in on the assailant, and from Cho’s contorted facial expression, Han guesses the culprit suffers dyskinesia.

Inside the train, Cho locks the doors and lowers the blinds while the man in black continues to pester him about killing Min-young. Cho grows more agitated as the police arrive, and a female passenger cautiously approaches him, asking him to calm down.

Unfortunately, the passenger’s attempts at calming him only anger Cho further, and she sits back down in defeat. Another male passenger tells the female passenger to reason with her boyfriend, and she corrects him: He’s her patient.

They were on their way to a conference, and the doctor is just as shocked as everyone else by Cho’s sudden and uncharacteristic violent behavior. Min-young tells the doctor that she’s NCI, and when she offers to help, the doctor explains that Cho must think he’s in a dangerous situation. Sitting next to Min-young, a pregnant woman starts to hyperventilate, which only increases Cho’s panic.

Nana informs the group about Cho’s history as a scientist, and how he held one-person protests—believing his research had been stolen—which is why he started to undergo psychotherapy. She explains the other hostages’ backgrounds, but was unable to find any records concerning the unknown man seated in the back.

Remembering that the deceased detective was onboard the train to catch a murder suspect, Hyun-joon surmises that their mysterious person may be the suspect. Nana does a quick facial recognition search and verifies that the man indeed is the murder suspect who robbed a house and killed an entire family.

The SWAT team as well as the NCI team arrive at the scene, and Ki-hyung takes over negotiations. The man previously in charge thinks talking with a madman is futile, but Ki-hyung disagrees since all they must do is convince Cho that they’re trying to do something.

Which means if Cho is asking for the person in charge, then Ki-hyung will give him what he wants and play the part of a senior manager to deceive him. Thus, he stages an act as an aloof higher-up, and Cho watches Ki-hyung’s performance with glee: He’s caught hook, line, and sinker.

In a van, the NCI team watches the security footage of the train car, and Ki-hyung tells the group that they must first figure out Cho’s delusion. Hyun-joon suggests sending in the SWAT team, agitated with simply sitting and waiting, but Ki-hyung tells him to be patient since Cho is bound to become anxious and contact them first.

Just as Ki-hyung predicted, Cho paces in the train, perturbed by the lack of contact, and forces the pregnant woman to call the police through the phone they provided for negotiations. Watching everything unfold, Ki-hyung waits until the third ring to pick up, and calmly answers Cho’s questions.

Though Ki-hyung gives him vague answers, Cho eagerly accepts his replies and frantically asks them to get rid of it. Without missing a beat, Ki-hyung tells him that they need time, but Cho demands him to get rid of it now. Unyielding, Ki-hyung says that it isn’t easy, and when he goes to hang up, Cho succumbs, giving them an hour before he kills the hostages.

Hyun-joon asks Ki-hyung what it is, but Ki-hyung merely tells him that it’s their job now to find out. Han rewinds the video, and they zoom in on Cho’s arm, which is riddled with scars. Sun-woo guesses that Cho thinks there’s a microchip planted in him, so now the problem is how to convince an articulate and logical madman that a non-existing chip came out of his arm.

Holding up a coin, Hyun-joon puts on a small magic show, making the coin disappear and reappear by sleight of hand. Sun-woo scoffs at the idea to use a fakeout, but with no other option, the team decides to send in Hyun-joon as their “expert.”

Han advises Hyun-joon to play along with Cho’s delusions, and Sun-woo goes over the protocols, which Hyun-joon already knows, as he finishes her sentences with a cheeky grin. Once prepared, a bespectacled Hyun-joon follows Ki-hyung to the train.

Cho lets Hyun-joon aboard, but still suspicious, he orders him to take off his bulletproof vest. Hyun-joon complies, and once Cho feels safe, he takes a seat across the aisle from Hyun-joon and holds out his arm.

Hyun-joon uses a scalpel to make a small incision in Cho’s forearm and then produces a bloody microchip. Cho cries in elation, his anger dissipating, and the passengers relax in relief. Min-young cautiously asks for his gun since he got what he wanted, holding her hand out.

The NCI team watches with bated breath as Cho starts to hand his gun over, but suddenly, the murder suspect laughs out loud. He says that he saw Hyun-joon slip the microchip from between his fingers and accuses him of being a police officer.

Enraged, Cho pulls back the gun, and the murder suspect uses this opportunity to claim that they’re on the same side. He suggests that they join teams, and from the van, Ki-hyung quickly tells the SWAT team to move in.

Hyun-joon remembers Han’s advice, and tells Cho that the police have been monitoring the murder suspect—not Cho. He invents the lie readily, blaming the murder suspect as the reason they stopped the train, and accuses him of breaking into a research lab and killing all the researchers to steal their data.

The murder suspect shakes his head in disbelief, but Cho listens to Hyun-joon’s lies with eagerness. Hyun-joon explains that the murder suspect planted the chip in Cho, and in fact, the police have been chasing Cho to protect him.

Ki-hyung runs to the train, worried about the sudden change in plans, and inside the train, Cho turns the gun against the murder suspect. He’s torn, wanting to believe Hyun-joon but not quite sure, and he grabs his head in pain as each man tells him to believe him, not the other guy.

Cho swings the gun wildly in one direction and then another, and finally Hyun-joon grabs an opening to grapple with him. A three-way scuffle breaks out between the suspect, Cho, and Hyun-joon, and just as Cho regains control of the gun, Hyun-joon aims a kick at his hand…

A shot rings out. Outside, Ki-hyung freezes in shock and Sun-woo races for the train, looking down at Hyun-joon’s limp body. But to her relief—and irritation—Hyun-joon gets up unharmed. He gives her a cheeky grin, and she leaves without a word.

The SWAT team leads Cho away, and he screams at them, jerking his head towards the man in black for orchestrating everything. However, the man in black disappears, an illusion created by Cho this entire time.

Han tells Ki-hyung that his mother talked to illusions like Cho, and wonders if he’ll be like that, too. Ki-hyung reminds Han that inheriting his mother’s mental illness is only a possibility and not a reality. As they both turn to leave, Han narrates a quote from Sally Kempton in voiceover, “It’s hard to fight against an enemy who has outposts in your head.”

Nana hugs Min-young as soon as she arrives in the office, then thanks Hyun-joon for saving her. He says that it’s only natural since they’re a team now, and Nana gushes to Min-young about his beautiful smile, though everyone on the team hears it, including Hyun-joon. Ha.

Min-young suggests that they celebrate the addition of a new team member with a meal, and Ki-hyung tells the group that his wife invited everyone over for dinner.

After everyone separates, Sun-woo looks over to Hyun-joon’s desk and sees the case file for the Nadeul River murder incident. She notices a photo sticking out of the file and takes it out. She gulps nervously as she stares at the photo of a teenage boy and girl posing together, but Hyun-joon catches her in the act and swipes it away. He looks at her accusingly, but Sun-woo walks away in silence.

Sun-woo meets with a woman in a lab coat about the Nadeul River murder case, and the woman informs her that the profile she provided about a twentysomething culprit matched.

Back in the office, Hyun-joon looks at the photo of the young couple, which spurs a memory. The girl in the photo had placed a bracelet on his wrist—the one he wears in the present—and shown him the matching one on her own wrist, declaring it their first day as a couple.

The NCI team meets at Ki-hyung’s house, and Ki-hyung’s son Han-byul jumps into Sun-woo’s arms. Hyun-joon greets Han-byul with a wink, and by dinnertime, Han-byul sticks to Hyun-joon like glue, much to Ki-hyung’s jealousy. Heh.

After dinner, the group relocates to the patio where they begin to play a quiz game. Han starts off with a difficult question, asking for a quote from a specific episode in a television show, but to everyone’s surprise, Hyun-joon gets it right immediately.

Having lost, Han has to drink as punishment, but Sun-woo offers to drink for him since he can’t hold his liquor. Now it’s Sun-woo’s turn to ask a question, and she stares at Hyun-joon as she asks how many suspects there were in the Nadeul River murder case. Holding her gaze, Hyun-joon answers.

Ki-hyung receives a call asking him to meet the chief commissioner, and soon the evening festivities are over. As Sun-woo carpools home with the other ladies, the radio station reports the recent acquittal of a rapist, and Nana huffs at the lack of justice displayed in the case. Sun-woo asks if they can listen to music instead and looks out the window somberly.

Ki-hyung visits the chief commissioner, and someone secretly photographs him from afar. The chief commissioner (cameo by Park Geun-hyung) sits in a wheelchair while hooked up to a machine, and tells Ki-hyung this will probably be their last meeting since he doesn’t have much time.

The chief commissioner plays a recording of the Reaper—the same one Ki-hyung used in class—and asks if Ki-hyung remembers the voice. Ki-hyung says that he could never forget, and the chief commissioner suddenly admits that they failed to catch the Reaper because of him.

He knew Ki-hyung was after the Reaper, but he was afraid and so excluded Ki-hyung from the investigation. The chief commissioner hands him a blood-stained note, the Reaper’s message to the chief commissioner: Stop the chase and he’ll stop hunting as long as they’re both alive—but continue the chase and his family will be next.

Ki-hyung asks if he really bargained with the Reaper, and the chief commissioner expresses his regret. He reaches out and holds Ki-hyung’s hand, and profusely apologizes. Ki-hyung, however, merely stares at the dying chief with reddened eyes.

In voiceover, the chief commissioner warns Ki-hyung that the deal will end once he dies, and the next target will be him since the Reaper hunts the best. Meanwhile, a man places photos of Ki-hyung on his wall, then opens a chest revealing the Reaper’s mask.

The chief commissioner falls asleep in his yard while his gardener prunes the bushes. Suddenly, the gardener throws down his clippers, which wakes the chief commissioner. The gardener asks him if he’s curious about his face, and the chief commissioner looks up to seetThe Reaper standing before him. The Reaper takes off his mask, and the chief commissioner falls to the ground, shocked by the reveal.

A couple stops their car on the side of the road when they get a flat tire. The man calls for help when a random car pulls up from behind, and the mysterious driver approaches the couple, hidden by his bright headlights.

Before the man can react, the mysterious driver stabs him repeatedly and cuts his Achilles tendon. It’s the Reaper, and he makes the dying man watch his passenger be killed.

The car becomes a crime scene by morning, and the couple’s bodies are rearranged into grotesque positions, heightening the brutality of their deaths. Ki-hyung notices the glasses from the Reaper’s last victim on the woman’s face—his signature is to leave something from the previous victim with the body of the latest—and Min-young wonders if it could be a copycat.

The NCI team looks over the Reaper’s known murders, and Hyun-joon asks why they’re digging up an old case. Ki-hyung hands him the bloody note from the chief commissioner, and Hyun-joon is disgusted that the old police chief would bargain with a serial killer.

Hyun-joon deduces that Kim Yong-chul, the Reaper’s last victim who miraculously survived thirty stab wounds, will be the next target, but Nana informs them that there’s no record of his current whereabouts. However, she did find something interesting about the reporter—also an author who writes about victims—that Ki-hyung told her to look into. Apparently he received the same call from a downtown phonebooth every Wednesday, so Ki-hyung and Sun-woo leave to investigate the reporter.

Ki-hyung calls the reporter from the phonebooth, and when the reporter answers, he asks if it’s “Kim Yong-chul.” The reporter comes out to meet with Ki-hyung and Sun-woo, and asks if the recent murder isn’t a copycat but the real Reaper.

Ki-hyung refuses to answer, and instead, asks him for Kim’s address. The reporter wonders what he would receive in return, but Ki-hyung coldly asks him if writing an article or catching the Reaper is more important to him. After a pause, the reporter hands over the address, and warns them that the next murder will be soon.

Ki-hyung and Sun-woo find Kim Yong-chul, who lets them into his hideout. Ki-hyung hands him his old glasses that were found on the latest victim, and Kim frantically looks out the window asking if the Reaper is back. Sun-woo promises the frightened man that they will protect him, and Ki-hyung adds that they understand how painful that night must have been.

Kim scoffs that no one can understand the pain of being stabbed thirty times and left to watch their loved one die. He calls the Reaper the devil, and pops some pills with shaking hands. He tells them that he was going to propose that day, and flashes back to that fateful night as the Reaper pretended to ask for directions and then stabbed them ruthlessly.

Ki-hyung assures Kim that they will protect him, but Kim says that no one can. Ki-hyung argues that the Reaper is only a criminal, but with a menacing look, Kim asks, “Then, why can’t you catch him?” Ki-hyung says that they will, and finally, Kim relents. He writes down an address and forces them to keep this a secret since this is his last resort.

Back in the office, Han looks over all the Reaper’s case files, and Hyun-joon joins him in his task. In another room, Ki-hyung watches interviews of suspects and Min-young drops off even more files for him to review.

At a campground, a teenage boy complains to his friends about his parents dragging him out on vacation. His mom and dad start to blame each other for their son’s rudeness, and their young daughter goes to the boy to ask him to fix her toy. From a tree, a man watches them.

Ki-hyung continues to look over the interviews when he gets a call from a restricted number. It’s the Reaper, and Ki-hyung maintains his composure as he refuses to humor the Reaper, telling him to acknowledge his status as a low-life criminal.

The Reaper asks if this means there won’t be any negotiations, and Ki-hyung challenges him to surprise him. (Is provoking a serial killer a good idea?) The Reaper laughs, noting that Ki-hyung is fun, and promises to not disappoint him before hanging up.

The Reaper holds up a locket, looking at the picture of the two children from the campground. At his feet are the children’s parents, tied and already battered, and the father begs the Reaper to spare his children’s lives. In response, the Reaper stabs him, and the scene loses color as the Reaper lies down next to his victim, in a pool of their blood.

The Reaper leaves the parents’ tent, and from behind a tree not too far away, the son watches in horror, holding onto his sister. He calls the police, but the Reaper pops up suddenly and boy drops the phone in surprise. He begs for their lives, while over the phone, the operator asks what’s wrong.

The Reaper picks up the phone, then adopts a frantic tone and tells her that someone’s dead.

The next morning, Chief Director Baek leads the NCI team to the scene of the crime where reporters swarm them for answers. They push through, and are briefed on the details of the murder. They learn that the Reaper reported the crime and left the two children alive.

At the sight of the bloody tent, Ki-hyung imagines how the murder transpired, shuddering at the thought. Skimming through the photos taken of the crime scene, Hyun-joon notices the watch from the previous victim on the mother’s leg.

Ki-hyung remembers his call with the Reaper when Han shouts for them—he’s found the children’s pictures from the locket lying on the ground. Ki-hyung rubs his head at the sight of the kids, which Chief Director Baek notices.

In a private conversation, the chief director asks Ki-hyung what’s wrong. He explains how he refused to bargain with the Reaper last night, resulting in this. Chief Director Baek asks if he thinks this is his fault, and tells him that the crazy murderer is the one to blame.

He reminds Ki-hyung that he was only doing his job, and if he refused, then someone else would have needed to fill that position. He tells him to trust himself and his team because they will catch the Reaper.

Hyun-joon and Sun-woo go to talk with the children, but the counselor informs them that the son may be unresponsive. Hyun-joon instantly charms the young daughter with his magic tricks, and coaxes the son to come outside to talk with him.

Hyun-joon catches a glimpse of a photo on the son’s phone, showing him with a motorcycle. He uses that to open up to the boy, bragging about his delinquent past and telling him a story about the time he tried to hide from the police after falling off his motorcycle, thinking he’d get in trouble. However, as he hid in an alleyway, he witnessed a criminal stab a police officer—his own father.

Hyun-joon admits that he ran away out of fear, and tells the son that he, at least, saved his sister. He hands the son his business card, and as Hyun-joon gets up, the son starts to cry. He says that he was scared, but he’s more regretful for acting so mean towards his parents when he actually liked going camping with them. Hyun-joon holds the crying boy and promises to catch the killer.

At the campsite, Han notes a change in the killer’s pattern, and wonders why the Reaper would kill in an open area and leave behind witnesses.

Back at the counseling center, Hyun-joon and Sun-woo leave, but the son comes running out. He hands Hyun-joon a photo the Reaper placed in his sister’s pocket, and it’s a picture of Ki-hyung’s wife and son. Sun-woo calls Ki-hyung to tell him about the photo, but Ki-hyung can’t get a hold of his wife, Hye-won.

Hye-won frantically searches the mall for her son, but little Han-byul follows a masked man in black to a secluded hallway. Ki-hyung receives another call from a restricted number, and the Reaper tells him that his son has pretty eyes. The Reaper lets the boy talk to his father for a moment, and then asks if Ki-hyung ready to negotiate.

 
COMMENTS

Like the previous murder incident, the Reaper case so far has been predictable. However, even though I knew Ki-hyung’s family would be targeted, I still felt a sense of dread when the Reaper led Han-byul away and then called Ki-hyung. I doubt Ki-hyung will bargain like the previous chief, but that only makes me more nervous for Han-byul’s safety. Part of me wants to believe that the show wouldn’t kill the adorable child, but there have been so many murders that a part of me is unsure if Han-byul will make it out safe and alive. Since it’s already the third episode, it was smart to show Ki-hyung’s family early on and then again in this episode because it allows the audience to get to know the characters and their relationships better. Though some of the interactions have been superficial, I feel like the extra screen time has made me more invested in Han-byul’s safety than I did with Na-young. On paper it was an interesting relationship (the sister of the man who Hyun-joon feels immense guilt towards who might also be harboring a crush on our hero) but there really wasn’t enough time to explore and develop it.

The bulk of the episode was about the Reaper, and as a result, it was more about Ki-hyung than the other members of the team. While we saw more of Hyun-joon (and his adorable interaction with Han-byul), it was Ki-hyung who took the spotlight this time around as we delved a bit deeper into his psyche. He exudes confidence, and rightfully so since years of experience and training has made him one of the best in his field. However, he seems to harbor a deep-seated self-doubt since the serial bomber case. It creates a fascinating dichotomy in our team leader as we see his outer façade crack ever so often. It even happened in the train hostage situation when Ki-hyung ran out of the van when Hyun-joon’s cover was blown, almost as if Ki-hyung constantly assumes the worse in himself and his decisions. It’s telling that Chief Director Baek told him to have confidence in himself and his team because while Ki-hyung has to act tough in front of the criminals, out bluffing them at every turn, he really is “acting” to a certain degree.

For the most part, there hasn’t been a stark improvement or dip from this episode to last week’s episodes. The show continues to focus on its strengths such as its strong main cast and fast turnaround for solving cases, but that also means its weaknesses still remain, like how characters solve problems offscreen or claims are made with flimsy evidence. Since it’s only the third episode, there’s plenty of room for growth and change, and even from the beginning of The Reaper arc, there does seem to be more of an emotional investment than from the previous serial murderer.

There were a few parallels between episode one and three which was an interesting choice. Both episodes start off with standalone cases—Episode 1 was about a past event that had no relation to the murder case later in the episode, and in Episode 3, the hostage situation seems to be unrelated to the Reaper. Then the show reveals the murder of the victim to start the new case, and ends with the capture of a loved one. Similarities aren’t a bad thing, especially since the episodes or cases aren’t carbon copies of each other, but it does make me wonder if the writer could be sticking with familiar tropes and narratives. It’s too early to say whether the show will get repetitive (I doubt it, especially since there’s so much to take from the source material), but here’s hoping that the writer will dazzle us in the upcoming episodes!

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Haven't watched Two Weeks, but I kinda like LJK outside of sageuk...
Hoping for great remake.

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He looks gorgeous in both sageuk and modern. I Just can't take my eyes over him. I would prefer a drama centered about him more so I can enjoy his performance well.

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Write a comment...
two weeks is a great show. you should watch it

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I hope you's give Two Weeks a try. Out of all of LJG's dramas,it is by far my favorite.

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And here is the problem, LJK relies on his looks and not on his acting skills.He dosn't progress.So we have his fans who are happy that oppa looks handsome and other viewers who drop his dramas because he dosn't show nothing new, the same overacting, typical chacarters.That is why ratings dropped and in this drama too.

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Oh Come on. Are you seriously talking about JG!! Give the poor guy a break. He just doing his first modern drama after along time don't you want him to look good abit for himself and his fans. Besides he always get praised for his acting even when he done that candy show. I can't believe you blaming him for the bad rating lol.

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I am not LJK's fan and I don't think highly of his acting. That said, I think he can't be blamed for the ratings or the poor quality of this drama. I wouldn't call him out for relying on his looks either. He is very conscious of his looks and since many lavish praises of him, why blame the guy for basking in their adulation? I believe many artistes are like this, it's just that some pretend to not to be. Call it occupational hazard if you will.

I watch LJK's dramas just because he happened to be in them but I didn't drop his dramas because he didn't show anything new. It will happen to this one too. Most of the time, people drop dramas because the writing and production are bad. Actors are seldom the reason why dramas tank.

If there's any correlation between LJK and his dramas that don't do well, I would say it's the style of writing, directing and the way they write his character. These are writers/PDs who don't spend effort in producing good stories to hook viewers but go for shortcuts to get viewers fangirling over a character, give lots of fanservice or being heavy handed in dishing out overly dramatic stories to get viewers' empathy. I am getting Moon Lovers deja vu all over again.

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@outofthisworld "He is does not show anything new." You gotta to be kidding. YOu must be blind & deaf. Moon Lovers was my first drama of his and have watched every drama or movie of his. Every character of all his dramas are different & if you actually watched him closely.. each character has different mannerism too.

Even the character here in Criminal Minds is not a copy cat of his previous characters. Even his character here is not Lee Joon Gi, He is Kim Hyun Joon. Surely, you sound like only watched one drama of his or even none.

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Gosh, there is a limit people. You can disagree with someone's opinion but isn't it too much to insult them personally, like saying they're blind and deaf? Insulting people just because they do not say what you want to hear about your idol says more about you than the person who voices their opinion, really.
On another note, appreciation of acting is purely subjective. No one is obliged to feel the exactly same way as you do. If they don't, there's nothing wrong with them either. It's just simple that they and you are different in your tastes; that's all. Learn to accept difference of opinions, people. Reacting like this only paints your in a very bad light.

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LoooooooL.... look my friend... joongi is one of most talented and hard working actors of his generations...and iam sure that his acting skills is 1000000 more better than your oppa...

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Nah! I found your comment laughable. Nice try anyway?

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I think 'overacting' might have been his hallmark when he was really popular and it might have worked then (the old hallyu dramas) .. but in some of those recent previous dramas,it's too much (?)..feel like the writers make his character have those really dramatic scenes and that combined with his really expressive face can sometimes give you the 'excess' vibe...the effect can be jarring when the drama is not meant to be a melodrama... tbh though i found him quite nice when he wasn't overacting in this series..especially when they [SPOILER?]

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I dont know what are you talking about... becoz every actor can be overeacting in some scenes... and for me and a lot of people joongi is one of the best actor out there...

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My rating for your comment is 10/10 in case of the dumbest comment ever. Congrats

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His antifan? Because you sound like one lmao.

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WTF?? You just said that joongi's acting isn't progressing. Hahahahaha!! My friend, maybe you're the kind of people that think Lee Min Ho is a good actor ??

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Seriously??? LJK is so good in acting, but he is not very good in selecting dramas . Some of his dramas didnt have a very good rating because of the writings

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Are you kidding me??? LJK is the only actor he never relied on his look... he is constantly working to improve his acting and martial art so he can even do most of the action scenes by himself!!

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I don't know whose fan are you. But one thing people draw to Lee Joon Gi is the acting.

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He debut in the Korean ent in 2001 but he was not able to get an acting job because Korean thinks he has the typical Korean look with single eyelid. They prefered to have someone with double eyelids. Lucky these days anyone with prominent single eyelids looks can now have a double eyelid without having to undergo surgery.

Anyway, he auditioned for a Japanese film Hotel Venus which he got a small in 2003. The movie was released in 2004. After doing Hotel Venus, he slowly got a small parts in Korea in dramas & a supporting role in the movie Flying Boys. Then he had to pass 3 levels of audition for a lead role in The King and the Clown as the effiminate clown Gong-gil. This movies shoot Lee Joon Gi so stardom not only in Korea but Asia and some part of the world. He was awarded in the Hawaii Film Festival & Shanghai & the one in Tokyo.

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Honestly LJG is one of the best actors out there, Personally, I am all for him take up any role he finds challenging without afraid of being a failure and he gives 200% to whatever role he does! I admirer him for that. Unlike most actors these days play safe and they only ever relied on their looks to get by, and never had to make any effort. THE WORST. I guess you like one dimensional actors and has that constipated face all the time lol.

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I've watched almost all of LJG drama and I must say that his role on Moon lovers is the only one who show us is true acting skills. On other drama he was good, but not a must watch.
Unfortunately some roles or scripts penalize the actor, despite how good he is. And I think criminal minds it's one of those case.

If we only look at the physical appearance I prefer him in sageuk than in a modern outfit ;D

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Hyun-joon is such a great character though. A character with a tragic backstory who's NOT an ass? Who actually gets on well with others? Who others actually like to be around? On top of looking gorgeous, to boot? A++++.

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I didn't think the train shooting was that well done. I couldn't feel the tension in the train, and the manner in which the profilers went about resolving the issue was also quite meh. The profilers' gathering in the house was also awkward in a way. They didn't show us how the profilers interact with one another in a very lively or interactive way, weird, considering how close some of them were. I was expecting more camaraderie, more interactions and more laughter during that scene.

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Same. This show honestly isn't making me feel that much, there's nothing really exciting or scary about the cases, nothing that really grips you, and quite a number of things don't make sense if you think about it too much. So I just turn off my brain hahah. It's a pretty easy watch that way, and an enjoyable one especially watching for Lee Jun-ki and Moon Chae-won.

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you are right i think that's because it's not just the drama that based on american TV show Criminal Minds it is also the cases the girl kidnapping from season 1, the train from season 2 , the reaper from season 4 and 5 i don't know the rest coz i just finished watching episode 3, the cases don't seems real like the original show because they didn't solve it right i don't see any profilers in the drama just police officers solving cases not like the american show which by the way is perfect - i thought it will be based on the idea of the profilers in a korean way i was waiting for that frankly but not copied the cases also this is stupid re-watching something copied when you already know the details of the original ones

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I have to agree. I was expecting a lot more interaction during their gathering in the train scene but they mostly just stared at video recording....so far I've found Yoo Minyoung and Lee Han kind of useless and it's as if the drama doesn't know what to do with them?? Which is sad considering how intelligent and kickass their American counterparts are.

Also, I find the team members to be awkward with each other. It's as if they don't know whether they should all just act like friends or strictly professional colleagues....it looks like they are floating inbetween so sometimes their interactions seem forced/fake?? That's how I felt but I could be interpreting it wrong lol.

I mean, I'm still enjoying the drama but there are definitely some flaws.

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I felt like the word appropriate for the show is unbelievable [but not in a good way]

For a drama that asks the viewer to think, a lot of cases doesn't showcase logical progression but more of magic guesses because the script said so.

It's bizarre that the entire train incident only takes half an episode to resolve because I don't know what we get other than Hyun Joo is apparently the master of all trade, he knows and capable of many things.

Another thing is how people enter the train from outside, I can see in an old train but the newer train? isn't they can't be opened from outside unless authority did it??

Where does criminal profiling fit into all this?
How they conclude it before even talking to the perpetrator?

and why does every "on-going crime" need to be related to the member personally, we don't know any of them yet, or even they are a capable at all.

It feels like they fed and dictate us what to feel and what to think with the dialogue, who we need to sympathise or we should care about the case cause the team is involved.
It doesn't work that way, we don't know them.
We just get introduced to the family with awkward conversation and they now in trouble?

Then what about the layered misfortune ptsd trauma hyun joon has? that's too much for a character and looked fabricated, what he had experience doesn't align with the way he acts but feels like a writer cop out to make the dialogue to the victim starts.

The plot devices are forced and the editing isn't subtle at all, there just so many wrong things and illogical turn that can't make me enjoyed the case without asking why and how?
also Mon Chae Won acting is still awkward.

Comparison with the OG
- iirc the train isn't a good ep but it's about the genius and solved by his empathy and understanding that he may see the same vision. I don't think the change is bad but they missed an opportunity

- the reaper
hah, where should I start, in the OG , the developed this more, so we know why the reaper act, how he picked a target and his relationship with the team leader.
Didn't solve in 1-2 ep and near the end of Season, therefore, we already have some memory so we can fully emerge to the threat while in here [sorry to say], the victim and Kang's family feels like another victim of the ep.

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My word for the show is predictable. We're well onto the fourth episode, with two major cases (not counting the train case because it just doesn't belong anywhere) and I am two out of two when it comes to predicting the culprit. So it's just a matter of waiting for the profilers to figure it out on screen. And I'm sitting here wondering why, when they're supposed to be the smarter ones. I want them to illuminate me, and give me insights into these criminals' minds (Isn't that what the original show is about: Criminal Minds?)

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Mine is "boring".

Never watched the original, so I have no idea who is Reid and who is Garcia and have no pre-conceptions or expectations... I just wanted a drama after FOS so I tried this... then I ended up sleeping. Uh...

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I think both of you are right - unbelievable and predictable. Coupled with the profilers' dumb dialogues, it gets incredibly frustrating.

It made me wonder if the original Criminal Minds was even a good show. I've been reading that this adaptation is following the cases quite closely and could the problem be that the original material is simply outdated?

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Criminal Minds Original.. actually took one through a process of thought and has the viewers somehow input their opinions although no one could hear them.
they profiled after looking at each case,pointing similarities, explaining and making use of all characters. but yes sure... some of the episodes are hella old
In the remake.. it kind of just appears our of nowhere. what the victims had in common, why is the criminal in sucha way, the process of getting to point A to point B is kind of not there.
it's kind of like we have a killer, he did this, not sure how to explain but this should do it so let's make Hyun Joon awesome for starters.
and half of this cast seems pointless while the original needed all of them for certain things
i am not sure what is the exact issue with the remake
are they so used to making the mood of a crime drama dark that they can't even make them be funny while on a case or friendly at least?
is it because these are Original Cases so they did not feel connected to it so they feel like a filler of sort?
is it because somethings simply look and feel different in another culture so the remake cannot even grasp the friendliness between them because of the sunbae-hoobae culture?
or maybe it is because we already know who did it from the original?
if you ask me... it is all of them.but original Criminal Minds is a damn good show. it got me so invested in the characters I actually felt a bit betrayed when it was not Lee Han getting on that train. at least give him his magic skills but they took that away too.

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"are they so used to making the mood of a crime drama dark that they can't even make them be funny while on a case or friendly at least?"

It's a common problem with Korean crime shows. I am not sure if it's a cultural thing but I doubt so. If they can't be friendly and joke while on a case, at least stop making them look so stiff and perpetually frowning all the time. It becomes very monotone because when the situation is truly a tense one, they kinda look the same as they always did.

If they didn't understand the original cases or grasp them, why even bother to copy? Just make their own cases, I as a viewer wouldn't mind.

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I think the original take a time to get into but it's more clear about what is profiling and the characters.

At 1st it's systematic and they literally use dialogue to tell us the vocabulary they'll use like unsub, they also spend more time analysing the recent victim and make a pattern to know what the unsub thought.

The OG is dark but the lighting isn't that dark, the cast joke from ep 1 and you know they are close or they want to be close.
Korean Crime drama always try so hard to be dark and edgy with the camera and the lighting which I can't understand. They like showing a very serious conversation but so unbelievable because the sequence just appear out of nowhere.

I think I remember you does a good job showing the balance of light and dark version with profiling.

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@xiao jingyan I believe it's got to do with the subtitle. Also, Koreans have different investigation system & the Americans have their own.

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yeah, it does have the Korean feeling but it's unbalanced therefore it feels like the dark feeling is a try hard.
I mean I remember you, voice, tunnel, signal or even Missing Noir M and Bad guys are the same types but their profiling isn't as rushed without logical build like CM Korean version.
They also use their Korean way of lighting and it's working for the suspense, they have joke and little talk so the problem isn't just the style bc the style can work well enough but the problem is this drama use it all the time and it's not effective, on the other hand, it makes it looked even unenjoyable.

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it's a shame that the train case is kind of a waste of time,

I don't mind if we know who is the culprit but I hope they can give better dialogue so we feel the tension,
I remember you and seven-day queen has this kind of moment when we know that what they say have double meaning but in here, it just doesn't make sense,

they way the line delivered has little interaction and everyone in the room already know what it means with such a little "dramatic" dialogue

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I think you picked a great word for it. I wasn't a fan of the original, but I was interested in the profiling angle, how everyone worked as a team, and how it had a lady in charge of the IT aspect.

Every aspect of the drama feels disjointed so it's hard to get a good feel for the drama and to feel immersed in it. The rhythm feels off too. You're right in that it does feel like we're being dictated what to feel and how to react.

I feel like even the actors are trying to figure out who their characters are and are just going through the motions. The better actors are able to get by, but it still feels a little "acted".

I'm hoping things will get better in episode 5 going forward. I did like the train case though. I thought it had a good rhythm, seemed to have less of that annoying shaky camera effect, and felt smoother. I'm disappointed we jumped into the Reaper case so soon.

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I honestly feel dissapointed of the train case
It's the case where Lee Han (originally Reid) is supposed to be standing out
I was like...waiting a whole week because I was excited by the train case and waiting Lee Han on the action because honestly this far he seems awkward in his role (no offense), so I was hopeful this case will bring him some...light
But when it turned out LJK who was the one who entered the train and the case ended with more action than brain (Reid's way), I said to myself "No, no, you must be kidding me"
I mean, I love criminal minds not only because of the cool cases and solving, but also the interaction of the characters and the characters themselves.
In this drama, only the three main stands out, and I am quite disappointed.
But maybe it's kind of bias because I am a Reid trash in the original series haha

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I think everyone was Reid Trash....

What I think they wanted to do was give some more grounds to a character that the TV Show audience wasn't familiar with, have the audience get to know them better. Ideally, once they feel comfortable enough with the characterization they present, they move onto other Characters.
Is it the best of plans? No. But with 20 episodes, I think that at some point each character will get a chance to shine. Hopefully.
The scenes where it's just the group interacting (well, most) show that the writers do have some sort of understanding of the characters.

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Just finish till ep 4 and the characters actually get better, I hope it will be more solid as the episode goes by
I am glad they introduce garcia (I seriously cannot remember any of their name except lee han and ki hyung and min young) volunteer for victim family here so I see they will bring up garcia's case later.
But the profiling seriously don't really shine, it feels just another crime stories. I meaan...where is "It's time to deliver the profile" in every episode haha
Compared to Signal, I get the profiling thing in Signal more than this drama, when only Park Hae Young is the profiler there and we have a whole profiler team here
I hope it will get better too later.

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I miss that too, the part where they brief the regular police officers about the unsub

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I also really like the regular presence of ladies in the drama, like it's no big deal, we've got women here, moving on. It may be because it's a remake, but just. The women in the team are equal to the number of men and they're equally competent, no genius-loner-guy-is-better-than-the-cute-rookie dynamic crap. Partnerships ftw!!

(Also I'm crying at the lost potential that is Hyun-joon and Sun-woo, because it's a literal CRIME to whoever put Moon Chae-won and Lee Jun-ki together and said, btw, let's not have any romance ?? It's fine, it's not like anybody will ship them YOU THOUGHT WRONG.)

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IKR, their chemistry is off the charts and it doesn't help that they always seem so aware of each other.

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Am i the only one who doesn't feel any chemistry between them?? It seems so forced

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it does look forced,
like she has to be agitated and mind his business when nothing happened, like the after eating talk and there just no chemistry,

maybe they didn't intend to make them a couple but it seems like a mismatch for them as a partner too

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Culture difference my friend.

If you actually live in Korean, you would find more absurdstuff anyway. I don't mean it's bad but it's just too different.

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@The writers: I know I said I wanted cases that don’t take expand over so many episodes but this is just ridiculous. 20 Minutes???? Just 20 Minutes for that case??? Seriously?? And then on top of that it’s only episode 3/20 why are we spending so much time on the nadeul river case this early. I don’t understand. I waited a week to see Min Young's spotlight and her chance to show what skills she brings to the team. But no we just saw Hyun Joon being amazing as usual (I already like him, now make me wanna like the other characters).

And then they started talking about the Grim Reaper case. Like wtf just stay in one lane. Not every cop needs to have that “killer that got away”. And why weren't the kids traumatized; they saw their parents get murdered and they were face to face with the killer. I don’t remember the last time I was this upset.

Was everyone in Hyun Joon's life murdered??

For a show that is about profiling, there isn't much profiling...

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I'm glad they got the train stuff out of the way quickly. I really wasn't looking forward to a Lee Han focused episode, so it's a relief they avoided that.

Focus on your strengths, show. And by strengths I mean SHJ, LJG and MCW. TBH, four episodes in and I can't bring myself to care about the other three.

Boy, I don't remember anything about the camping murders in the original. I remember Foyet and some details of those episodes but I can't remember him killing those people in the woods. Did it happen or was it a CMK addition?

I love that in spite of all his loses, Hyun-joon isn't jaded. He's great with kids too, and he can do magic. Is there anything he can't do.

And Soon-woo, my bb. She looked so sad. I really need to know her connection to that case, she's so obsessed with it.

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I agree.. the train case was the best thing in ep 3. I enjoyed every bits of it. Let's enjoy watching without much complain. At the end, it is jus a drama. Take it or leave it

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You can't stop people from complaining and the more you try to shut them up, the more they'll rebel and the louder they'll yell.

I'm just enjoying the show for what it is. It's exactly what I want from a cop kdrama. I don't need it to be the best written show, there's supposedly great shows with the best writing and they put me to sleep. I need it to entertain me and so far it has.

Just keep giving me my weekly dose of LJG and MCW, preferably together and we're good.

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Honestly this show is getting way more hate than it deserves. Sure, it doesn't quite live up to the potential, and is lacking in many parts, but that doesn't make it an unenjoyable watch.
It has many faults, but we're only two weeks in and people are already calling it 'The Worse Adaptation Evahh' (Etc).
In all honesty: If you want this show to be the exact carbon copy of the original and are complaining about ever change they make- Watch the American show again.
Just, if you're going to watch the KDrama, watch what it gives you, not what you want it to be.

(But seriously WTF was with the Train case?)

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I'm not watching the show, but your comment on the hate this show is getting made me want to say that this is why I try not to judge a show on its first two weeks. It might only get worse from here, it might get better, it might be mediocre, I don't know, but I've had all three happen to me in shows before, some have done a reverse after the 4 ep and given me a pleasant surprise, some get more tolerable, or they're better as an overall thing rather than ep by ep. So I try and leave my analysis till the halfway mark.
Will be interested to see what everyone thinks of this farther down the line.

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Dear CMK, please focus on your strengths. And please don't rush us too much in each episode.

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I really want to love this show but so far it's been disappointing for me. First, I don't understand the pace the show is going with. Why did they have to insert the train case if they will just spend 20 mins on it. I don't see the point of the train case. I thought it was to highlight Han or even Min-young but no, it has to be Hyun-joon. Again, there was very little profiling going on and I was even disappointed that Min-young didn't act like an NCI agent at all. I don't expect her to be like JJ but still I didn't see her attempt to do something with the situation even when Hyun-Joon was fighting with both Cho and the thief/murderer. But I guess the point of the case was to show how awesome Hyun-Joon is. Then we have the kids whose parents were murdered. Why were they standing behind the tree instead of running for help? I'm not sure if they are not good actors or maybe it's the directing because I didn't feel anything from them. I couldn't sense their fear when they were talking with the reaper and they looked almost normal at the center when SW and HJ visited them. I know that we all grieve differently but still I was expecting some sort of reaction from them. Even when the boy was crying, I find his acting lacking and this was highlighted because of that brief moment when HJ hugged him and the camera zoomed in on LJK's face, I can totally feel his grief for the boy and his anger because of what happened. But that's because he is LJK so no comparison I guess.

I will keep watching until I reach the point where I'm fast forwarding more than half of the show and since Nana's character seems to be close to Penelope's, I want her and Hyun-joon to have the flirty relationship just like Penelope and Morgan. Pretty please show. I don't care who ends up with who but I just want to see that flirtatious relationship.

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See, the strange thing is that the same little boy who didn't convince us of his grief here played young Park Hae-young in Signal, and remember how he made us all cry ugly tears over a plate of omurice?

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okay TEA. That little boy can act! This directing is just... :(

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Thanks for letting me know. It's my first time to see him. The directing really is arrrghhh.

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If you don't understand the directing but I don't understand the comparison to the original. I know it's unavoidable not to get the comparison but they insist that it your analysis does not sound intelligent at all.

I think it's better you stop watching the drama now. You won't get anything good with you level of mindset.

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The cases on the show are lukewarm but what I really don't get are the dialogues. They seem so out of place sometimes. Like for example a serial killer that you haven't been able to catch calls and you tell him to surprise you? He IS surprising you that's why you haven't been able to catch him!

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I have major issues with Ki Hyung's lines too. There seems to be a lot of false bravado and calling bluff. It makes it quite unbelievable that he is the top gun of a crime profiling team.

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That line rubbed me the wrong way too. It seems to be an unnecessary provocation for a dangerous serial killer. There are times when provocation is warranted, for example, when you've ALREADY caught the killer, he's nicely tied in the interrogation room and you just need to break him to confess his crimes. Not when he's still out there committing more gruesome killings and very likely to harm your family members. Very bad judgment on Ki-hyung's part when he's supposed to be very experienced and good at his job (or perhaps just weak writing).

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Exactly what I was thinking! It took away some of the sympathy I would have felt when Ki-Hyung got that call from the Reaper at the end.

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This comment just SENT me. HAHA. "He is surprising you!" EXACTLY. I'm really liking this show but parts like this really have me like "Is you serious???"

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I still have a beef with whoever's editing the episodes this week because sometimes the transitions don't make sense. But I'm still watching it mainly because I'd like to see how their adaptations compare with the original episodes they were based from.

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This show is not as perfect as I wanted to be, but I like the main trio, and cases are interesting enough to keep me engage. Now that FOS and 7DQ are finished, this is the only show I'm looking forward every week!!

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I think I must put out some disclaimers first:
1) I am not a fan of the original. I don't even remember any episode if I have watched a long time ago.
2) As above, I am not a fan of Reid or any of the original characters
3) I don't care if this adaptation follows closely or deviate or create new/mix up the characters
4) I am not comparing this with Forest of Secrets.
5) I like Sohn Hyun Joo and MCW in their previous projects but not a fan of any one in particular.

Reason why I started this was simple - I just wanted to watch a crime drama. I've watched plenty of imperfect crime dramas like Tunnel, Voice, Bad Guys, TEN and Missing Noir M. One thing though, they all entertained and thrilled me even if there were faults with writing and directing.

I cut this drama some slack last week because it's common to start a bit shaky. I always hope dramas will find their footing. Unfortunately, this drama is giving me vibes that it might not improve because the flaws are quite fundamental. The faults lie in mostly the writing, editing and the worst culprit - directing.

First, the train case - I don't care if it's short or that in the original, it was Reid who played the main role. It was just so meh and showcase nothing except expose more flaws in the way their take of criminal profiling. The point of it all was just to show us what an awesome member Hyun Joo is.

The whole thing started quite hilariously. First, the detective who came on board the train had a gun sticking out of his pocket like a huge sign "I have a gun here!" Needless to say he got shot but it doesn't stop the attendant who came up to Cho like some rabid zombie and got promptly shot too. Bad start.

I think the devil's advocate which is a figment of Cho's imagination can be deployed in a better way but here, the camera work and lack of creativity made his scenes look very awkward. Never mind, hopefully the NCI team will impress me but nope.

Did anyone find it weird that Ki Hyung didn't ask Cho what he wanted? I know they are trying to convey that they have the upper hand in negotiation but the truth is that he didn't know! He didn't use profiling to find out the answer because he hung up immediately and they were plain lucky that Cho was wearing sleeves up to his elbows. If he was wearing long sleeves, will they see the scars? The clock is ticking and yet they took this massive gamble. It's also a huge jump in logic for Sun Woo to infer from that few scars that Cho thinks he has a microchip implanted in him. Do you know it's not uncommon for mentally unsound people to cut and mutilate themselves?

Then it was time for magic show. The coin thing was quite entertaining but I laughed at how flamboyant Hyun Joon looked as he swaggered towards the train in spectacles. Are they taking chances that Cho won't be seeing all this from the window? I am not surprised that Hyun Joon's cover was blown quickly. He looked nothing and worse acted...

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Oops didn't realize my rant is so long and got cut off!

Continue....
He looked nothing like an expert and came across rather smart 'alecky'.

Anyway, the takeaway is that Hyun Joon is really the ace of NCI team - magician, master of disguise and martial arts expert with a cheeky grin and charisma to boot! Even the team genius Lee Han is stumped and in fanboy mode. Maybe his role has been diminished because he can't act.

I wasn't surprised anymore when they switched quickly to the Reaper case. This show doesn't know how to build suspense, create tension or evoke emotions from viewers in a natural way. Everything is shoved pretty much in your face. I'll talk about the Reaper case in the next recap. As of now, I am irritated that they make the children in these episodes so unrealistic. The children involved in the campsite murder look almost like nothing had happened to them despite losing both parents in such a horrifying manner. Just because Hyun Joon displayed his magic trick, the girl was charmed? Yes, children are resilient but please be more realistic. And we are to believe the boy would warmed up instantly to Hyun Joon when professional counselor couldn't ? All these are made worse by how the scenes were directed.

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" This show doesn't know how to build suspense, create tension or evoke emotions from viewers in a natural way "

can't agree more,
especially with the emphasize of suffering hyun joo has, I want to feel it but I can't get it, how is that important or why it always him and Idk him,

him being good at all things now feels like deux ex machina, that whatever the problem, hyun joo has the solution cause he isn't in the original and we can make up all the plot for him to be useful.

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They're just adapting everything from the american show. The train hostaging arc was good for me, possibly only because it was one of my favorites from the original cm.

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I saw MCW's acting was in sync with Soo Hyun Joo in episode 3. You should watch episode 4 as Soo Hyun Joo's acting was superb. No wonder he won an award in Moscow.

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I havent watched any kdrama after Fight for my way and Suspicious partner ended. Can anyone recommend me similiar new dramas? With romance definitely involved.

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@alpha Sorry Dear is not rom-com zone. IT's actually chaotic here because of too many rom-com viewers here.

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Seriously this show should consider changing its title to 'Profilers' minds' instead of CM, because for a show about profiling the actual profiling aspect is thin, feels amateurish, and juvenile. The highlights are definitely the profilers, what happens to them, and the psychological impact that these incidents have on them, much more than what they try to make sense of the criminals and break down their way of committing crime. The three leads are hard-carrying this show, especially Son Hyun-Joo in ep 4. The other side team members feel like they belong more to a thriller rom-com, but even the dramatised counterparts to their character, such as Ajumma in Healer or Eun-Soo in Voice, are much believable at their job.

But even relying on the three leads is a problem for CM, since the director seems to have difficult time balancing them with other players in the same game. The criminals, up to ep 4, have been comical, to the point that it's hard for me to take them, and their crimes, seriously. They are miles behind even the criminals in supposedly fluffy thriller rom-coms such as Suspicious Partner or Strong Woman, or I Hear Your Voice. The side characters also don't seem to know what they're doing, and instead of flowing naturally with the situations in the drama, they're acting on cues. For example, during the train scene, the other passengers look nothing like they're having a gun pointed at their head. They're watching Cho's maniac seizure with relaxed body and skeptical eyes, as if they are spectators to a badly played stage performance. It sucks tension out of the scene and contrasts jarringly with the dead seriousness of the key team members. SHJ, MCW and LJK might be better off in thrillers with tone and pace similar to Voice.

Still, I'm glad I watched ep 4, since SHJ's performance makes up for the lacklustre acting of his other players that matter in the story (e.g. the Reaper and his family members) as well as the lacking directing. This director really needs to hone up his skills before going into a serious crime show. In true crime shows, even though there are only glimpses of profiling through narrations, it still feels more satisfying and effective than watching these profilers in action in CM. Side question though, is the original this unconvincing about profiling?

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" Side question though, is the original this unconvincing about profiling?"

That's exactly the question I have for the fans of the original CM. We can't just assume the original must be fabulous although the fact that it is still running and into its 12th season shows it can't be that bad.

If the original has substance to show in terms of criminal profiling, won't the writers of this remake have an easy job since the cases look similar? Since they are too lazy to research properly, at least copy well!

I didn't watch SP or SWDBS but the villain in I Hear Your Voice was awesome! I am thinking back and wonder what was it that clicked with crime dramas like Missing Noir M, Voice etc which worked despite of flaws? In those, there was palatable tension and some episodes had me at the edge. Was it because the crime was that novel? I think this show doesn't know how to do crime at all. With all the gore and victims related to the main characters, they still fail to make the impact.

I won't blame the rest of NCI team. Min Young is just a pretty face and media representative of the team, Nana is a display for loud fashion and Han is just slightly better than google search. Even Sun Woo does nothing much except be exasperated occasionally by Hyun Joon.

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The profiling in the original series has always been good/convincing. There were meh episodes but still you can see how they got from point A to B. That is why I became a fan of CM because the show focused on the criminals and not the profilers. The profiling in the original was not boring for me. We can see the profilers chasing leads, interviewing people, going through the crime scene , partnering with the local police and all of them except for Reid (Han) and Penelope (Nana) can fight down and dirty if needed and while doing all these they start creating the profile of the unsub until it becomes clear who is the unsub. We get the unsub's back story, what triggered/triggers them into committing crimes, why they choose certain victims and even the timing of the crime is explained.

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"....Seriously this show should consider changing its title to 'Profilers' minds' instead of CM..."
Exactly my sentiment. I like the original though i didn't follow diligently all the season.
Really hope the next epi will be better for the sake LJG #trytoforgetmoonlovers#

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Plot: In the original, the train case didn't have a separate criminal onboard and no one died (that I remember, it's been a while). The killer saw a team member on the train and thought she was following him, feeding his paranoia. The Reaper case didn't come up until late season 4 and he was knoen as an "omnivore", killing all types of people indiscriminately (though there was a specific type he did prefer).

Character: Originally Lee Han's character base did the magic trick, and his mother did indeed have schizophrenia.

Personal comments: I honestly though they would save Reaper for last, so I'm shocked his case resurfaced so quickly. Reaper was one of the most menacing, personal cases for the team so it's a little jarring to have them face him in onlu the third episode. The big draw of him was that we spent 4 seasons with the team, getting to know them and watching them fight monsters. This was a monster that dwarfed the others and truly terrorized our heroes in a personal way, so to have him used so fast seems a little like a misfire to me. I think it would have been more effective to have him show up midseason.

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This making me want to see the original series :')

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Please do. There are some meh episodes in the original but as many and perhaps much more great episodes. Sometimes I end up crying because of the serial killers in the one episode although I'm always on team BAU.

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@goodskye Watch the original show. That is a good idea. Have little expectation so you won't be disappointed big time esp if you are a rom-com gal.

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I'm really hoping that they are doing all these cases as a way to introduce the profilers and hopefully by episode 10 we'll be done with them all and move on to a new case. I don't know how remake deals are done but it will be disappointing if all the cases will be based on the original since comparisons will be inevitable and this version unfortunately is lacking compared to the original.

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1. can anyone tell me why the leader feels remorse over the bomber incident? is it because he did realise that the correct instruction was 'bypass' but the other chief gave the last instruction as 'pass'-but no one knows for sure what the field agent actually pressed? would LJK character eventually tell that it's likely that the latest instruction (pass) was followed? i honestly don't get his trauma from the bombing issue- of course it would have added a punch if the profiling did go horribly wrong, like the criminal manipulating the team or just the profile being drastically different (young girl instead of old ajussi as the criminal) .. the bombing story so far just seems fodder for HJ growth/initial angst and the leader's trauma and their bonding?
2. I still don't understand why LJK joined the team-his motives? I meant there was more as to how useful profiling was when trying to find a suspect..for his first case, the stakes should have been higher, with normal police investigations taking too long with too much ground to cover and the profile team doing a really good job of streamlining the profile suspects..
3. how many backstories does ljk character have? is he poster boy for character with the weirdest traumatic backstory?
4. i said before that episodes with less personal stake would have been welcome so early in the series...but the beginning with nayong held hostage had so much wasted potential.. HJ who JUST came into the squad (with no formal training whatsoever- his 'coming on top of profiling' at the police academy not withstanding-that's standard for all cop?) did the brilliant job of rescuing the situation?..NY, even though she's liaison, she still seemed to be on the ground with the team; so why could the writer not depict her as such a passive character? the train story had grounds to be a great episode but it was too rushed and not well explored.. the known agent (NY), the doc, the religious bloke, the french (?) lady, the criminal, the mentally-ill guy- if NY had a greater role to play, this could have legit provided the groundwork for her to become more active in profiling..
5. i re-watched the original reaper episodes-maybe that's episodes 3 & 4 felt more bitter because i knew what was happening, instead of it being my gut reaction to the k-show itself..one good thing though was the scenes where the leader's wife had invited the team- it showed a bit of their attachment to her..
6. why do you just drop the 'mental illness genetics' line on a character we barely see profiling? he barely seemed affected by the whole thing?? [since he was such a genius and all- the writers could have given him some more profiling to do off the train since he would have a wide knowledge of something that hits close to him]
7. despite all the flaws, and all my rants about this, it's the only bearable k-drama i'm watching at the moment (sobss)- so any recommendations for any type of drama with subs?

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1. I too didn't get why Ki Hyung was so traumatized by the bomb incident. It wasn't because he made the wrong decision, he wasn't confident enough to stand his ground and overrule the chief. Fair enough that he should regret that moment of indecisiveness but please don't tell me he hasn't made mistakes which were costly in his career? If a man of his position and in the course of work would be so traumatized by this misstep for which there was no clear right or wrong, he isn't fit for the job.
I don't know if this was also featured in the original but it does seem to be nothing more than fodder for angst and misunderstanding between Ki Hyung and Hyun Joon.
2. Hyun Joon joined the team after he saw how they and profiling work helped to save the sister of his dead friend. Also he found out that Ki Hyung wasn't the one who made the wrong decision in the bomb incident. They had to orchestrate these to give his character the motivations, that's why the drama feels very forced.
3. There's three so far - dead friend, almost dead sister of dead friend and dead girlfriend. I read somewhere that there's a 4th! They are leaving no chance at having us empathize with the character.
4. This writer can't focus on more than one character at any one time, much less other members like Min Young. The side characters are nothing more than people filling up the screen because they did virtually nothing.
7. You can check out "What We're Watching" thread on dramabeans to see if any drama interest you.

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1. I thought it only there to make angst [I hate when drama make me think like this to a loss story]
There's no bombing like this in the OG iirc,

3. the 4th is, His father got murdered. When he talk to the camping boy survivor, I think it's on this ep

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Eh...I don't know why I had this impression that he was just cooking up the story to comfort the boy. Maybe I find it too hard to believe!

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I hope you are right bc that just over the top backstory for someone in 3 ep without any build up.

The show never say it's a joke so I guess that's the another tragedy

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I've just read the comments and found that I am not the only one who feel that something is missing in this drama. Well, I hope too see more profiling technique or such from this drama. I hope to see more of "Park Hae Young". I don't mean to compare but it is just happen unintentionally. My friend who has been watched the original series of the criminal minds asked my opinion about the korean version and I didn't have much to say. I hope the story get better for the rest of the episodes.

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Park Hae Young??? I watched Signal...Sorry the level of profiling in that drama was nothing compared to this drama. Park Hae Young was a profiler but he didn't function as one.

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I think episode 3 is so much better that the last two episodes. I didn't watch the original series, so I don't have any expectations on this drama. Though the train scene is quite simple, I'm not frustrated by it simply because I had no idea that that case is in the original series. Anyway, I think this drama is quite watchable and I think I'll watch this until the end not just because of LJG, but simply because I enjoy watching simple crime drama.

The only bad thing about this drama is the editing and directing. The camera is too shaky and it's kinda distracting to me. Other things, I accept this drama for the way it is.

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I watched this at first because I like LJK and have to say I think it is awful. Totally gratuitous violence. Tedious and repetative like the worst kind of American Cop inspired tv/film pulp.

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Then it's not your kind of drama. Better stick to the rom-com genre.

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Personally for me this drama seems like it really doesn't understand profiling at all. If this was a standard criminal procedural I wouldn't be feeling as alienated from the show. I think they should have started with the Reaper storyline rather than take the 1st two directly from the original show they didn't really translate well to the Korean show.

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Why alienated? It is a CM format. That is how it is. In the US series, every episode is different... So basically you can watch individual episode without even watching the preceding episodes. In Korean CM, instead of 1 episode, they use 2 episodes. So characterization is more eleborate and the investigations are more detailed too.

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Lee Joon Gi has so many pyscho fans (anti-fans). Just to prove that they are right and LJG is wrong by staying at Namoo and choosing CM & not rom-com drama, they spread nonsense negative stuff about his acting & his CM.

I think I read one of his fans describing his acting style "over-acting" in soompi CM thread.

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I wonder how do they choose the cases they want to showcase in this show from the episodes of the US version.

They seem to be focusing on the reaper case early on. So I guess they will follow the story line of the reaper case in a more escalated pace.

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I'm just disappointed that they don't call the culprit 'ubsub'.

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Thanks for the recap, lovepark!

I'm actually quite liking this remake. I think they really nailed it on the cast matching their American counterparts. I didn't catch all seasons of the original series, but some cases are familiar, especially the Reaper!! I already know how things will roll out and my heart is already in my throat as I think about how the Korean remake will make use of the source material. Gotta admit I was surprised this pivotal case came so fast in this series, but I guess they are condensing a lot of the timeline into 20 ep's.

I think SHJ is awesome as leader Kihyung and LJG as Hyunjoon. I'm looking forward to the camaraderie that will be developing between Hyunjoon and Nana. Kihyung has such a beautiful family and I love the cute son, Hanbyul.

Let's hope this team of experts put their past demons aside and catch this criminal that has been haunting the nation.

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Thanks for your recap and comments, lovepark!

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The fan v. anti fan is SO REAL in here! Mostly respectful, but still real ???

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LJK never failed to amazed me...

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I love this drama ... I don't care about what people says or rating ...

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Once I saw Junki in glasses, I knew I had to continue watching Ep 3 haha

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I'm not sure about this show. I'm a fan of the original series, and I can see the influence here. But I feel like this writer is trying to do too much instead of letting the show/characters breathe. I like it, but at the same time, I don't feel that invested in it. But I do like the main three, especially Hyun-joon. I like Lee Jun-ki in modern dramas.

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you can't really blame the writers for the cases or the type of evidence, this series is basically a korean reboot of the original and all the cases are taken from the original as well. The emotions are an addition and as someone who's an avid fan of the original i actually find this series quite enjoyable

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