Rating:
Average user rating 4.6
139

Temperature of Love: Episodes 13-14

How wonderful to see a couple who actually talks about their relationship, is honest with each other, and works things out in a mature fashion! Their discussions about their feelings may not be easy, but at least they’re having them, which is a step in the right direction. Even if everything else in their lives is uncertain, if they can overcome their insecurities about the past and find a way to be together, they’ll make one hell of a strong team.

 
EPISODE 13 RECAP

Jung-sun thinks about his parents, and how we can’t choose our family. He narrates that he used to think his mother was the most beautiful woman in the world, and that she always adjusted herself to suit his father. In his vision of her in the past, she’d said she was happy because of his father’s love.

On the day she’d brought flowers to Good Soup, she’d also visited Jung-sun at his apartment, where she’d clung to his arm despite his objections. He’d complained that she always latches onto men even though she knows it never lasts. She’d promised not to cause him any more trouble before rushing off at a call from Daniel, the latest man she’s adjusting herself to suit.

Jung-sun’s father visits him as well, and over tea, he shows Jung-sun the article written about him after he won the television cooking contest. As he says that he wants to have a family get-together at Good Soup, Jung-sun thinks that his father isn’t the man he used to be.

His father asks after his mother, sighing that they were never well suited for each other in the first place. Jung-sun says to himself, “It’s a poor excuse for violence.” Before his father leaves, he tells Jung-sun not to sell the land his grandfather left him.

In voiceover, Jung-sun tells us: “I feel uncomfortable whenever I see my parents. It makes my heart feel complicated, and complicated is difficult. Because it’s difficult, I hesitate. Because I don’t want to hesitate, I overreact. Because I don’t want to overreact, I suppress myself. That’s the kind of person I am.”

On the night that Hyun-soo learns that the studio wants to bring in a second writer, Jung-woo tells Jung-sun that he’s on his way to talk to the lead actor, Ha-rim, into going back on set. Jung-woo asks where Jung-sun is off to, and he says cryptically that he’ll decide after he makes a phone call.

Suspicious, Jung-woo asks if Jung-sun is dating. Jung-sun tells him to worry about himself and asks when he’ll get to meet Jung-woo’s future wife. Jung-woo just says it will be soon.

Once he’s alone, Jung-sun calls Hyun-soo to ask for her home address. She asks why, and he says that they can be friends who wish each other well. Hyun-soo pouts that she’s not going to cling to him, but she gives him her address anyway.

As she gets ready, Hyun-soo sighs at her reflection, saying that she’s in no position to meet with men. But when Jung-sun comforts her when she cries and carries her to the couch, she can’t help but respond to his closeness.

He asks softly if she’s still scared, then when she doesn’t respond, he quirks a little smile and asks what she’s imagining. She says she’s not imagining anything, which is a bold-faced lie, but he just asks if she’s eaten and gets up to make dinner.

Despite Hyun-soo’s nearly empty refrigerator, Jung-sun manages to whip up some delicious-looking stew and pasta. He protects the food by throwing his body across the table when Hyun-soo lunges at it, protesting that he’s not finished garnishing the meal. So freaking cute.

Hyun-soo takes a picture of the dishes, amazed at what Jung-sun was able to do with so little. As she’s showing him the picture, he sees a photo of the appetizer he made when she ate at Good Soup with Jung-woo. She says she took a picture because he made it, and he looks pleased.

Jung-sun tells Hyun-soo to tell him what’s bothering her, promising to listen without trying to fix it. He says that he already knows the station wants to hire a new writer, and that the lead actor walked off the set.

Hyun-soo says that the articles are bad and the online comments are worse, telling her to stop writing altogether. She says it’s tormenting, sad, and painful, while Jung-sun listens sympathetically as promised. He gives her permission to cry, which sets off her tears, and he reaches out to touch her hand.

Meanwhile, Hong-ah fumes after Jung-sun breaks their dinner date, and she heads to Hyun-soo’s place instead. Hong-ah rings the doorbell, and she’s not one bit happy when Jung-sun answers the door.

She grows even angrier when Hyun-soo obliviously invites her to dinner and shows off Jung-sun’s creative meal. Dinner is tense, with Hong-ah glaring as Jung-sun and Hyun-soo banter comfortably. She decides to leave abruptly, and when Hyun-soo asks what’s wrong, Hong-ah only snarls that they should be feeling the opposite emotions, considering their situations.

She asks Jung-sun if he’s spending the night here, but it’s Hyun-soo who answers, “No!” It doesn’t soothe Hong-ah though, who just bristles at Hyun-soo for answering for him, then grinds out a sarcastic “You two look good together” before letting herself out.

Jung-woo finds actor Ha-rim drunk at a noraebang, surrounded by girls. He tells Ha-rim that he needs to get back on set, but Ha-rim calls him a big shot and slaps him across the mouth, hard enough to draw blood.

He starts to throw another slap, but Jung-woo catches his arm this time, and says in a menacing whisper that he’ll let the first one go because Ha-rim is older. The fight goes out of Ha-rim and they sit, and Jung-woo threatens to release the fact that Ha-rim once got into a drunk-driving accident to force him into going back to work. He complies right away.

Jung-sun and Hyun-soo finish their meal, and she says she wants to ask a sensitive question. Jung-sun volunteers that Good Soup isn’t making money, but Hyun-soo gapes at him, since that wasn’t her question.

She wants to know what his relationship is with Hong-ah, and he says they’re friends. Hyun-soo asks if they agreed to be just friends, confusing Jung-sun, so she explains that that’s when both parties want it. He says they didn’t, but that he doesn’t see why they should, since it’s not like they dated and broke up. She sees his point.

Jung-woo calls from outside Hyun-soo’s apartment, but when she says she’s hanging out with a friend, he just tells her that Ha-rim went back to work. She hangs up and Jung-sun says it’s time for him to leave. Hyun-soo thanks him, but when he asks what for, she pouts cutely that she doesn’t want to tell him.

Jung-woo heads off down the street, and a minute later, Jung-sun and Hyun-soo part at the sidewalk. They’re so wrapped up in each other that neither of them even notices Jung-woo walking in the other direction.

Jung-sun finds Hong-ah waiting impatiently outside his building to ask how he could cancel their dinner plans to see Hyun-soo. He says he already apologized for canceling on her and that he understands if she’s angry. But he adds that everyone has priorities, and that Hyun-soo is a higher priority to him.

Hong-ah asks why she’s less important than Hyun-soo, to which Jung-sun answers honestly, “Everyone is less important than Hyun-soo.” Hong-ah whines that he knows how she feels about him, but he just counters that she also knows how he feels.

He tells her that he’s never done anything to make her misunderstand, and Hong-ah can’t argue with that. Jung-sun says that she’s responsible for her own emotions, telling her not to be violent with her emotions again. Hong-ah grows even more upset and wails, “My love is violence to you?”

He says that he feels sympathy for her, and that they can remain friends as long as they don’t cross any lines. Hong-ah complains that today she finally got the thing she wants most, and that she wanted him to be the first to congratulate her, but now he’s being cruel. She asks why he can’t just lie to her, and when he only sighs in response, she vows to make him regret not choosing her.

The following morning, Hyun-soo sends off the script for Episode 9 of Unruly Detectives to Director Min, her assistant Kyung, Hong-ah, and Jung-woo. At the same time, Jung-sun tells Won-joon to supervise today’s kitchen prep while he’s on an interview.

Kyung asks Hyun-soo why she wrote a script when another writer’s been hired, and Hyun-soo says she figured it would be easier if the other writer saw what she had in mind. Hong-ah comes to work, but only to get her things, since she’s decided she can’t work here anymore. Kyung objects to the way she’s leaving, but Hong-ah says that she won’t benefit from being nice about it.

She tries to steal Kyung from Hyun-soo, saying that Hyun-soo will probably be fired anyway, offering Kyung more pay to leave with her. Kyung remains loyal though, so Hong-ah leaves without her. She also leaves behind the tea blend from Jung-sun, remembering how he said that addictions are bad for you.

Hyun-soo asks Kyung for some privacy, and once they’re alone, she asks Hong-ah if she’s angry because of Jung-sun. She asks if Hong-ah likes him, because that’s the only thing that would explain how she’s been behaving since last night. Hong-ah scoffs and denies that she would like a guy like him, but Hyun-soo says they would make a great couple: “But only if he likes you, too.”

Hong-ah grows livid at that and asks if Jung-sun told Hyun-soo that he rejected her, accusing her of not caring about their friendship or how she feels just because Jung-sun likes her. She wails that Hyun-soo won again, like she always wins, but that that won’t be the case anymore.

Over at Good Soup, Jung-sun sits for a photo shoot and interview, while in the kitchen, the guys tease maknae Min-ho as usual. Won-joon yells at them not to slack off just because the chef isn’t here, but even he can’t keep a straight face, and they all crack up. Min-ho messes up his task, but Jung-sun teaches him kindly and they prep for lunch together.

 
EPISODE 14 RECAP

Hyun-soo becomes even more defeated when she sees that nobody read her latest script. Kyung cheers her up by taking her to lunch at Good Soup, only remembering that she’s mentioned the chef’s name before, but unaware that she knows him. She gets a clue when Jung-sun visits their table and they speak to each other familiarly, and she makes a speedy exit to leave them alone.

Jung-sun invites Hyun-soo upstairs to his apartment for coffee. He can tell that Hyun-soo needs to talk so he goes into “listening mode.” When she says she asked Hong-ah about them, he asks Hyun-soo to tell him exactly what Hong-ah said so that he can clear up any misunderstanding.

Hyun-soo says she’s jealous that Jung-sun is always so clear and never wavers. He explains that he just didn’t have anyone in his life to pick him up if he fell while wavering, so she needn’t be jealous. Hyun-soo tells him sadly that she feels like she’s fighting with Hong-ah over a man.

Jung-sun tells her that she should give up on him now. He continues, “If your feelings are enough to give up like this, throw in the towel now. I despise confusing emotions. I’ve never confused you once. You go back and forth saying human beings are contradictions. You push away the man who loves you for reality’s sake. What am I supposed to rely on to start again?”

Hyun-soo apologizes, and Jung-sun looks away from her, admitting, “I’m scared.” He confesses that he’s afraid she’ll push him away again, since there’s nothing stopping her from doing it a second time. He adds sadly, “Reality is always harsh,” and Hyun-soo reaches out to clasp his hand. She admits that she was only thinking of herself when love takes two people, and that she didn’t take him seriously. She tells Jung-sun she’ll think about it.

Hong-ah visits Jung-woo at his office, where he explains that since her script was chosen in another production company’s competition, that it will be difficult and complicated for him to produce it. She doesn’t care, saying that she chose his company for a reason. He agrees to think about it and does say that he liked it, saying that birth secrets always go over well. She tells him that she was going for familiarity and that she based the characters on people she knows.

Jung-woo agrees to think about signing a contract with Hong-ah, but she insists on being paid more than Hyun-soo, which he isn’t keen on. She accuses him of having feelings for Hyun-soo, but he nips that in the bud. He tells Hong-ah that there are rules to follow if she wants to work for him, and the first is to earn his trust.

He says that right now, Hong-ah can’t even be compared to Hyun-soo, who has written a drama that has been produced, while Hong-ah has no credentials. She tries to argue that her script is better, but Jung-woo asserts that a written script can’t be measured against an actual show.

On his way home, Jung-woo calls Hyun-soo to go for a walk to get her mind off her troubles. They end up at the corner where the tiny flower usually grows, and Jung-woo is disappointed that it’s gone. Hyun-soo laughs at him, saying that it already did its job and went in to rest, and that flowers only bloom at certain times.

She lets him know that she’s aware of what he’s doing, bringing her to see the flower that gives her strength when she’s down. He tells her that Hong-ah came to him with her script and wants to make a deal, and that he’s interested because it’s a fun script, but he’s equally not interested because of her personality. Hyun-soo says that her personality doesn’t matter, and to do what he usually does.

Changing the subject, Hyun-soo asks if Jung-woo thinks she’s not serious enough. He asks who said that and she just says “someone.” Jung-woo takes her side, insisting that that person is wrong. He tells her that she just thinks too much, especially about love, and that she should follow her heart before she ends up alone.

Seeing an opening, Jung-woo says she should stop thinking of a man she can’t have. He says that she’s realistic about love, and yet not: “Your reality right now is me.”

Over at Good Soup, Jung-sun and Won-joon discuss the restaurant, and how they hope that the TV show is a hit so that it draws in business. Won-joon thinks that Jung-sun should market his looks, adding that he’s miserly towards women with his emotions, which adds to his mystery.

Jung-sun says that’s just because he was raised by people who spent their emotions too easily. Won-joon says sadly that when a woman as beautiful as Hong-ah has feelings for him, he should at least consider her, but Jung-sun thinks his friend is strange for saying that when he likes her himself.

Won-joon mopes that he loves Hong-ah and is waiting for her, confessing that sometimes he wishes for Jung-sun to be cruel to her, but then he feels bad for her. Won-joon jokes that if Hong-ah were a man, it would’ve been over long ago because he’d have beaten her up, and the friends share a good laugh.

When the cooking show airs, Jung-sun’s popularity goes through the roof. He tells his excited staff not to get their hopes up, but it’s futile, as they read online comments about how much everyone wants to eat at Good Soup.

Hyun-soo isn’t having such a good night—the latest episode of Unruly Detectives airs, and it’s completely different from what she’d written. Kyung tells her sadly that there are other writers already attached to the project. Determined to get some answers, she finds CP Yoo, who says that Director Min has been using other writers besides Writer Park for some time now.

CP Yoo pleads with her to just endure it, since it will still air under her name and she’ll still get the credit, and her next drama will go easier. Incredulous, she goes for a run, with all of her struggles and everyone’s opinions about her racing through her mind.

Kyung goes to see Jung-woo in desperation, and although he says that things won’t be easy for Hyun-soo because the ratings have gone up with the ghostwriters, he reassures Kyung that Hyun-soo won’t be fired (and HAHA, I’m dying at how Kyung’s chair seems to be trying to swallow her throughout the entire conversation). Kyung flounces off when Joon-ha arrives, so she misses the fact that he’s bringing Jung-woo information on the situation.

He reports that there’s a team of three writers working on the show, and that Hyun-soo can’t be fired… she’d have to quit. He thinks that she should hang in there to reap the glory when the show’s ratings go up, but Jung-woo grumbles that glory is pointless when you’ve been ripped to pieces.

Jung-woo goes to see Jung-sun, congratulating him on his sudden popularity. Jung-sun isn’t so sure he deserves congratulations when he didn’t do anything to earn it, so Jung-woo shamelessly takes the credit. While he’s there, he asks Jung-sun for help in planning a proposal dinner at Good Soup, and Jung-sun enthusiastically agrees that whoever his love is, she’s a lucky lady.

In the morning, Hyun-soo is visited by her whole family, which now includes her sister Hyun-yi’s adorable four-year-old daughter, Bo-ra. Hyun-yi is a lot more reserved since getting married, though she still acts mildly hostile towards Hyun-soo, who credits her brother-in-law with taming her sister.

Bo-ra pipes up about an article written about Hyun-soo, and when she looks it up, it’s about her being replaced by a ghostwriter (which is supposed to be a secret). Even Hyun-yi takes pity on her and says that at least she got her debut, as her parents look on pityingly.

Good Soup is packed to the rafters, and the chefs are exhausted by the time they get a break to eat. They’re excited to learn that they’re booked solid for the next week, so they decide to celebrate after the dinner service.

After giving it a lot of thought, Hyun-soo goes to CP Yoo and tells him that she’s quitting the show. He tries to change her mind, but she respectfully insists on quitting, even when he warns that she’ll regret it. On her way out of the building, she thinks about Jung-sun’s fear that she’ll push him away again, and she tries to call him. But he’s out playing ball with the guys (and girl!), so he misses her call.

Jung-woo gets the news from CP Yoo and calls Hyun-soo, ordering her to his office. She braces herself for punishment since she couldn’t stick it out, but Jung-woo insists that he never asked that of her. Hyun-soo asks if he knows how hard it is to admit that you can’t see something through to the end.

She tells him, “Everyone told me to endure, but that’s not the script I wrote. That’s not the story I wanted to tell. But everyone is saying it will be okay if I endure. Does that make sense?” She says that she ignored the signs that things weren’t going well because she wanted to debut and see her name on the screen.

She continues, “I gave up on the story I wanted to write in order to endure. But if I endure this time, I think I won’t be able to come back to the version of myself I most want to be.” She asks if that’s wrong of her, tears streaming down her face.

Jung-woo steps closer and raises a hand to her face, wiping her tears. Hyun-soo is caught by the tender look in his eyes, but then she snaps out of it, brushing his hand away. But Jung-woo grabs her hand and holds on tight.

 
COMMENTS

When we first began this journey, I assumed that when we got to the present times, that the main reason for Jung-sun and Hyun-soo’s missed connection when they first met—their careers—wouldn’t be an issue anymore. I just figured that with five years under their belts, that they would have that part of their lives under control and would be able to focus on their relationship in a way that they couldn’t before. But that’s not the case, and in fact, you could argue that their fears are even more justified than they were five years ago, because now they’ve had a taste of success and know what they’d be missing if they lost it.

Hyun-soo is in a much more precarious position than Jung-sun, but they’re both in danger of losing everything if they make just one wrong move. But that just makes their relationship that much more interesting this time around, because with time and maturity, hopefully they’ve learned that professional issues don’t have to mean giving up on love. I’d say that Jung-sun already knows this, since he was ready to wait five years for Hyun-soo if she would wait for him. He’s been nothing but crystal-clear about how he feels about Hyun-soo, and he’s even been honest regarding his misgivings about giving her another chance, because he’s scared she’ll hurt him again. I just love that about him, that no matter how difficult the subject, you know that he says exactly what he feels.

It’s Hyun-soo who has trouble compartmentalizing work and love, and not letting one affect the other. What’s different about her is that she’s more self-aware now, and she’s taking this very seriously this time around. She knows how much she regretted her choice five years ago, so now she’s taking her time to decide whether or not to be with Jung-sun because she doesn’t want to make the same mistake again. I respect that she’s not impulsively jumping back into things with Jung-sun without thinking about it, because I believe that on some level she knows that this is for keeps with him. She’s not taking his feelings lightly anymore, and she’s considering the fact that once she decides to be with him, it will be permanent.

Something that really bugs me in dramas is when the second lead gets it in their head that they have some claim on the object of their affection, especially when the other person isn’t interested. Hong-ah is terrible about this—Jung-sun has been telling her for years that he’s not interested in her, and he never will be, yet she continues to pout and pitch fits whenever she pushes the issue and he has to draw that line again. But what I appreciate about this drama is that for the first time I can remember, the guy she likes isn’t having any of her shenanigans.

It’s incredibly frustrating when a second lead has this attitude and for some inexplicable reason, the person they like lets them get away with it. But Jung-sun gets annoyed and frustrated with Hong-ah instead of letting her manipulate him. He makes his feelings crystal-clear, about Hong-ah and about Hyun-soo. Nobody can say that he led Hong-ah on, and he even says that to her flat-out. I nearly cheered when Jung-sun told Hong-ah that he’s never done anything to make her think she has a chance with him, and that her feelings are her own responsibility. Hong-ah’s bad behavior is completely her own delusional thinking that she can have him just because she wants him, and for once, the only one who thinks that’s reasonable is her.

Not that Jung-woo is any better when it comes to Hyun-soo, though I like him a lot more as a person right now. But he’s got this whole fantasy built up around Hyun-soo, to the point that he plans to propose marriage, when they’ve never even been on a date! I mean, is that even a thing that people actually do? Granted, she’s never turned him down in so many words, but you’d think after five years (and her crying over another man when he confessed) that he’d get the message. But Jung-woo has the same problem what Hong-ah has—they both think that wanting someone is all it takes to own them. It’s ironic that Jung-woo tells Hyun-soo to stop pining for a man she can’t have, when the truth is that she can have Jung-sun the moment she makes up her mind. It’s Jung-woo who’s hung up on someone he can’t have, yet he doesn’t even see it. I’m getting really scared for the moment when he finds out about Hyun-soo and Jung-sun, because although he’s a good person who truly cares for them both, there’s definitely a dark side simmering under the surface. I’m not looking forward to that part of him being woken up.

 
RELATED POSTS

Tags: , , , ,

139

Required fields are marked *

While I can't wait for the next episode (An out of town trip! A confession!), I'm also dreading what will happen between Jung-sun and Jung-won. That upcoming proposal is going to bomb so bad - but it's going to make for good TV, teehee.

I also don't understand though what makes Jung-won think that his proposal will be well-received by Hyun-soo. It's not like she crossed their professional relationship or sent mixed signals, she was always clear about where she stood, the same way Jung-sun was to Hong-ah. I'm beginning to think Jung-won is also bordering on delusional, maybe even in the same vein as Hong-ah, that they believe the world is for them to own and manipulate as they see fit.

That confrontation between Jung-sun and Hong-ah was so satisfying, I was cheering for him the whole time. Hong-ah had to go and throw a tantrum of course, but at least Jung-sun was very, very clear that he never stopped having feelings for Hyun-soo.

8
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

That's what we expect from Jung-Sun. No emotional foolhardy. Clear cut Direct answers. Hyun Soo stills need a lot of learning.
Jung-Sun never claimed Hyun Soo his woman. He is also a clear mind person. He is making proposal being unclear as he also knows what Hyun Soo feels about love. He is maybe a bit more confident this time!!?

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

"But Jung-sun gets annoyed and frustrated with Hong-ah instead of letting her manipulate him."

Wow, this conversation was so satisfying on so many levels. I love that JS is having none of that, and that he's firm and honest without trying "not to hurt" her. We at least don't have to worry about there being a misunderstanding between Jung-sun and Hyun-soo, regarding what JS+HA's relationship is.

5
3
reply

Required fields are marked *

honestly i wish all the characters around hong ah would do the same, it's so frustrating watching them let her get away with the things she says/does

4
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

I like that Kyung has always called Hong-ah on her BS. Loyal employee of the decade!

8
reply

Required fields are marked *

Much as I would love to have her "friends" stage an intervention, all I can see is Cleo-Hong-ah continuing to barge down the Nile.

I, too, love how Jung-sun tells it like it is in a plainspoken manner that is truthful. He has never, ever mislead her. Hong-ah is the one who has not only been quick to take offense, but has gone out of her way to look for it where none exists.

0
reply

Required fields are marked *

"what are you imagining?"

many things, jung sun, MANY THINGS.

10
2
reply

Required fields are marked *

So. Many. Things.

4
reply

Required fields are marked *

Hehe, makes me wish they had consummated their relationship in that scene, and left Hong Ah by herself at the door ringing the bell and then leaving.

0
reply

Required fields are marked *

Hong-Ah.. omg she makes me rage.. I'm sure the actress who plays her is lovely in real life, but in the two drama's ive seen her in. She's playing that same manipulative horrible human being haha
Glad she got put in her place!

3
6
reply

Required fields are marked *

I agree with what you said about this actress! Though it seems Hong-ah still doesn't understand where her place is. Grrrr...

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

I loved her in Shut Up Flower Boy Band, and I've heard good things about her performance in Surplus Princess...but yeah, it seems that recently she's been doing more bratty/selfish roles and my only consolation is that she's very good at making it believable, haha.

3
reply

Required fields are marked *

Jo Bo-ah drove me out of my tree in frustration in SWEET STRANGER AND ME / MAN LIVING IN OUR HOUSE. She has a true gift for conveying industrial-strength delusional obsession. More power to her! She is very well cast in this role.

The acid test will be how she portrays a genuine change of heart, should that come to pass in this storyline. If she succeeds at that task, I'd consider this a breakout performance. Hwaiting, Jo Bo-ah!

1
2
reply

Required fields are marked *

Hopefully she will follow Lee Sung-kyung's step who got her lead role after the success of Doctors. Jo Bo-ah is too good to be wasted in this kind of role. She did a good job as a mature and well-behaved lady in Horse Doctor which was during her rookie days and I already have my eyes on her started from that drama.

4
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

HORSE DOCTOR has been on my to-watch list ever since I watched the first episode. I think I ended marathoning and then live-watching THE KING'S DAUGHTER, SU BAEK HYANG instead... and just haven't gotten back to it yet.

Thanks for the tip-off about Jo Bo-ah being in the cast. ;-)

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

She was so cute and lovely in Surplus Princess, besides I also loved Jo Bo-ah in All About My Mom (her pair with Choi Tae-joon was the best thing in this drama), and she even outshined Sung Yu-ri in Monster (again her chemistry with the male lead Kang Ji-hwan was great too). She is actually very talented like Seo Hyun-jin too, it is just in this drama and last drama she played bitchy second female lead which is super annoying and she's good at that 😆 I especially loved her acting in Missing Noir and movie Innocent Thing with Jang-hyuk. Hope she takes other kind of role next time, and let the not-so-good actress do this kind of bitchy role lol.

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

I don't watch this show, but OMO!! I can't wait for the next episode recap!!! I know this wish can't be fulfilled , but I hope that jung woo and hyun soo would end up together. It seems like they're suppressing their chemistry for the sake of the sake of the drama!

1
3
reply

Required fields are marked *

IKR, this might be an unpopular opinion, but jung woo and hyun soo chemistry is so sizzling (or am I just having a delusion from watching too many kim jae wook cheek bone, twice a week)

2
reply

Required fields are marked *

Seo Hyun-jin and Kim Jae-wook are knocking it out of the ballpark when it comes to portraying TEMPERATURE OF LOVE'S study in unrequited passion.

Hyun-soo has drawn a professional line in the sand, the same way she callously did with Jung-sun. Jung-woo has bent over backwards to honor her boundaries, and has put his own desire for a family on hold for five years. Even so, it is crystal clear that he continues to carry a torch for her in a thus far non-threatening, no-pressure manner. Unfortunately for him, absence of romantic interest on her part really does mean absence of romantic interest. He plays a long game, but continues to hold his cards long after he should have folded and moved on.

2
reply

Required fields are marked *

Oh, just watch an episode. It’s too pretty and the music is so nice—nothing earth-shattering, but it’s like a warm blanket wrapped around you after a stressful day, maybe with some hot chocolate.

3
reply

Required fields are marked *

Sorry for a shallow comment... but... I just love Yang Se-jong's voice :heart_eyes:

8
7
reply

Required fields are marked *

😍😍😍 should have been...
(My computer didn't cooperate)

0
reply

Required fields are marked *

I'm right there with you. Think about it as one of the many things to love about him. Not shallow at all.

2
reply

Required fields are marked *

Same. 😍

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

If it is shallow so be it - it's true!!! It's very calming. He should narrate.

3
reply

Required fields are marked *

Yessss! I love his smile too. He looks so handsome and kind. ^^

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

Ditto that. He must have the most soothing voice in all of kdrama land. And coupled with his calm demeanour... Swoon!!
Oh and did I mention His-Hotness Kim Jae Wook?

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

im not a deep person so i'll join you. gosh, yang sejong is making me imagine things, lol

0
reply

Required fields are marked *

Sadly, I just can't seem to get into this show. There's nothing wrong with it, and I also appreciate that the couple is talking, that work is a big part of their lives (unlike other dramas where we know they work, but it's all smooth sailing). Can't place my finger on what's not working - maybe it's all the talking, and less doing?

4
45
reply

Required fields are marked *

One reason may be that this drama asks for focus and attention (to follow all those conversations)... thus it isn't a smooth easy watch... in a sense of following the story... I myself often have to watch a bit of another show after completing an episode to sort of calm down and be able to fall asleep (as I usually watch in bed just before sleep).

I still love this show though (though Yang Se-jong may be one of the main reasons why 😉😁).

2
10
reply

Required fields are marked *

That's a very interesting point you make there - that this Show is actually not as smooth and breezy a watch as one would think. Unlike say, Signal which is also an intelligent show, but there's so much happening that you get caught up in its pace and the hour is over before you know it.

Or alternatively, watching Temperature of Love is like reading a slice-of-life book while watching Signal or While You Were Sleeping is like watching a blockbuster movie? Guess you have to be in the right mood.

5
4
reply

Required fields are marked *

I like that comparison with blockbuster movie and I think you can say that Temperature of Love is more like indie love movie? There's a lot of dialogue, a lot of contemplative scene. You know that it got a good review but you can't seem to watch it because it's not the kind of things you watch for purely entertainment purpose, I guess. It's more like a reflection of human behaviour than a drama that follow one particular story.

12
3
reply

Required fields are marked *

Haha yes, indie love movie fits better. Precisely that - the romance is the main selling point, and the actors deliver so I want to see them together. But for the rest of it, I need more patience than I'm usually willing to give. The kind of indie love movie I'd pick up only when sudden impulse to watch it strikes me.

However, I do think that the side characters need to be fleshed out better. For an indie love movie, people are too indulgent of Hong Ah (though perhaps this is not very far from reality after all), and Jung Woo is too one-dimensional.

0

Comment was deleted

0

@Greenfields,

In this episode, we finally got some insight into what makes Jung-sun tick, even though we might think we know already. (See my comment #23 below).

We don't yet know what experiences Jung-woo has had in the romance department that may have made him so persistent. I suspect that the loss of his mother at a young age has had a significant impact. Recall how Hyun-soo took him to task for his juvenile taste in comfort food, only to have to eat crow herself when she realized from the look on his face that she'd just put her foot in her mouth, and that he'd lost his mom while still a child.

1

Hmm, indie love movie indeed. I think you hit the nail on the head.
Your entire description is exactly the reason why I'm drawn to this drama. I like that it's contemplative and low-key in almost all aspects.

I think it's the sort of show that is perfect for rainy days, and taking a nap after watching it just to let things sink in.

4

It just occurred to me that TEMPERATURE OF LOVE is a bit reminiscent of ALONE IN LOVE. It takes forever to get to the root cause of the couple's breakup following the death of their newborn. You have to be very patient, but the payoff is worth it. Kam Woo-sung and Son Ye-jin do a great job as the OTP who really are meant to be together.

1
4
reply

Required fields are marked *

I'm here because you mention 'Alone In Love'. I am watching 'Beloved' and in the soompi thread,someone compared the two dramas, drawing out the similarities. The idea of couples who are meant to be together despite being separated time and again isn't new. However, if done right it can be a compelling watch.

I haven't picked up this drama TOL after I left at ep 7. Is this the same? Somehow I am in a mood for heartbreak melo.

2
3
reply

Required fields are marked *

I’m so biased but I’m in love with this drama. I did not want a heart wrenching romantic melodrama right now, and this one has just enough angst, but mainly in the male second lead department—and my heart aches for his unrequited love.

1

@Ally I have this love for men with broken hearts. The more handsome and hurt they are, the more I want to watch.

1

Well, Kim Jae Wook fits that bill to a tee. He’s all kinds of brooding. The next couple weeks will likely be depression city for him. I’ll get something on my wall that might make you come back to this one!

2

I understand. I was thinking about it now as well; just reading the recaps I like the show just fine and I don't find anything wrong with it. I actually love how it has the people talking rationally and honestly, especially about the second female lead, since as LollyPip said, it is so frustrating when nobody seems to get annoyed at her being a jerk (one of the biggest reasons I couldn't fully enjoy Rooftop Prince; the second female lead NEVER really had to bear any consequences of her awful behavior, and at the end she got to CHOOSE to turn herself in, because when she realizes her sister was her BIOLOGICAL sister it is suddenly awful what she did, not that she, in theory, killed a child ten years ago).

However, there is something that is not there for me to fully enjoy it and look forward to the next episode, and I think it is the second male lead. Every episode, I want to see Yeonsangun from "Seven-Days Queen", or something like him, but Jung-woo isn't that character. Every single episode of SDQ I was almost staying awake for the subs to arrive, because I wanted to see how the leads could work through the issues. SDQ's OPT were not as mature as in ToL, but they communicated and tried to think rationally for solutions, but the problem was that the second male lead was also incredibly smart and very paranoid and possessive, so they were toe to toe against him. ToL does not have an antagonist (yet) of that level. Hong-ah and most second female leads/rivals are happy just being petty in their antagonism or be the antagonist's (reluctant) assisstant, and maybe Hong-ah will turn out to be an actual formidable antagonist. But so far she has shown to be more petty; her goals is to make Jung-sun regret rejecting her and to be better than Hyun-soo, if even by a penny. That is why I put all my faith in a compelling antagonist on Jung-woo, because he has shown hints of a dark side that has not really surfaced yet, and I want to see it. Especially since, with a main couple that are so mature and communicate so well to avoid idiotic misunderstandings, you almost need a proper villain to make conflict, I feel. But then again, this show might not be that kind of show.

(I fully admit that I am doing this show a disservice by comparing it to and wanting it to be like Seven-Days Queen, but that show hit so many of my guilty pleasures while still being so well done that I just want to see it again in different forms)

5
20
reply

Required fields are marked *

Nail, meet head. I think you've just pointed out what my problem is. I enjoy all the scenes with Hyun Soo and Jung Sun, just the two of them, being done honest around each other. But these are numbered (usually one per episode) and the rest of the show is wasted on me - I can't bring myself to care about the backdrop, their careers, the other characters particularly the petty second leads.

And seriously, why aren't the characters annoyed with Hong Ah? And Jung Woo... I know people are fans of Kim Jae Wook, but Jung Woo isn't appealing to me.

SDQ was a masterpiece. I caught bits and pieces and put it aside for when I want a tear-jerker (the craving is real), and your description makes me appreciate it more.

3
5
reply

Required fields are marked *

yeah, i agree. a lot of time is spent on their separate careers - which i wouldn't mind if it was spiced up with comedy and quirky characters (e.g. jealousy incarnate's newsroom shenanigans) or if it had high stakes and was integrated with the character's growth arcs (e.g. misaeng), but recently it's just been a lot of hyun-soo reacting passively to external obstacles, and then not doing anything about it. and i really want to love the good soup characters, but they don't feel fleshed-out enough for me to care, and i still don't even know any of their names yet LOL.

and you're right: the main draw for me is definitely the main couple too, but i'm getting a liiiiittle impatient because they don't get a lot of scenes together each episode. it makes the story feels like it's lost focus, as opposed to the first few episodes, where there was enough relationship-building and romance to keep me invested.

4
4
reply

Required fields are marked *

Indeed. I wasn't immediately taken with the first couple of episodes, but I thought the show showed promise and would pick up once it was done introducing the set-up. Unfortunately, I feel like it's STILL introducing the set-up. As you point out, so many characters aren't even named!

Also agree about all the time spent on their individual careers. The comparison to Misaeng or Jealousy Incarnate is so apt. I feel like the whole point of that time is to establish how important Jung Woo is in their lives and the control he exerts. Which is again why I feel like it is still setting up the main conflict - not reunited almost-lovers for we are pretty much assured of their feelings for one another, but the upcoming conflict with Jung Woo.

2

@greenfields Yeah, and again, I hate to compare it to SDQ because the shows are so different (apart from having the OTP ACTUALLY COMMUNICATE AND AVOID STUPID MISUNDERSTANDINGS, what is this sorcery??). But it was easy from the start to see how important (and dangerou) Yeonsangun was to Chae-Kyung and Yook from the start. not just because he is their king, but because of his attitude to each of them. He hates Yook and wants to kill him, and lusts after Chae-Kyung and wants to possess her. CK doesn't want Yook to die and Yook wants to protect CK, yet the couple still regret how Yeonsangun became as he did, as they both viewed him as a brother once.

With Jung-woo, I'm just waiting for him to show antagonistic sides. We know he has a dark side, and we know he will not get the girl. So we are just waiting for that conflict as it "builds up", but I don't get what they are building up. If they want to show how much Jung-woo means to the couple, then show how unequal their relationship really is, since he is their boss and benefactor. If the conflict will be about how he becomes a bad guys, then I would like to have that hinted at a tiny bit more. That is why I don't know if Jung-woo will turn out to be an antagonist or another "rich good guy crushing on an unreachable girl that we will feel sorry for because he just doesn't give up". We knew from the very beginning that Yeonsangun's personality in SDQ would become a big conflict, and we saw it clearly escalate. But again, it is unfair to compare the two shows.

1

@Greenfields,

"I feel like the whole point of that time is to establish how important Jung Woo is in their lives and the control he exerts."

Amen! I think you are onto something. But it may be that the plot will play out in an unexpected way. Writer-nim is adept at throwing curve balls.

You rightly point out that Jung-woo is the linchpin linking the disparate characters who populate this drama. His character arc has the potential to affect all of them in a seismic manner. Unless he doesn't go off the deep end.

Wouldn't it be a shockeroo if Won-joon's quiet love for Hong-ah somehow seeps through her obliviousness to him? If anything, his adoration for her could go so far towards mending her self-inflicted heartbreak. But until she deals with her inferiority complex and begins to truly love herself, there's no way Won-joon's selfless devotion can make a difference.

At this time, it's not clear to me who would be an appropriate partner for Jung-woo. Hong-ah cannot give him what she herself has never had. If I had to hazard a guess, it might turn out to be Kyung, who is a genuinely sweet and caring person. Perhaps in combination with Jung-sun, who is his brother from another mother.

Maybe what we've heard in voice over is Jung-sun's apprehension over his business partner's rage regarding Hyun-soo. But will Jung-woo really drink Hong-ah's Kool-Aid and join her in exacting revenge on Jung-sun? How about he remains a rational businessman who instantly realizes that Jung-sun had a preexisting friendship with Hyun-soo, and consciously decides to let bygones be bygones because it would only hurt himself to deprive himself of Jung-sun's brotherhood?

Writer-nim may well pull even more switcheroos. In fact, I'm counting on it. ;-)

1

@pakalanapikake I don't feel like that is such a twist or switcheroo, though. At this point, I fully expect Jung-won to turn around and be the better person when he finds out about the main couple. It just feels like that is how most dramas go; female rival finds out and gets petty and jealous and tries to ruin the girl's life, while the male rival remains kind, hoping for change, but in the end accepts that he won't get the girl. It feels like that is how it usually goes, and the few times I see otherwise, the male rival is just bland or a tool. Yeonsangun was a rival antagonist that I truly feared, but he was also multidimensional and I got to see why he lusted after CK, while also seeing why the other party didn't like him.

If Jung-woo doesn't turn dark or only mopes for a while before returning, then... what is the conflict of the drama? Will it only be that the couple angst about the future? Again, I might be looking for a Seven-Days Queen clone unfairly, but I also don't get what I am waiting for in the show.

2

@Pensola,

Thanks for bringing up SEVEN DAY QUEEN, the sageuk that set the bar stratospherically high for character development, plotting, cinematography -- the whole nine yards. It was an emotional rollercoaster, and terrifically cast and acted. It left me wrung out and twitching in that gloriously touching final scene. I'm still recovering from its epic run.

TEMPERATURE OF LOVE is a horse of a different color. I suspect that what we have here is a classic kishotenketsu four-act plot sans conflict. That would go a long way to accounting for international viewer discontent. It is a very different format from the classic Western three-act plot whose premise of necessity hinges on conflict. I've posted articles on that subject at various times on my fan wall.

After watching how Writer-nim has repeatedly dodged viewer expectations (e.g., the smooch on the sofa that never happened), I'm willing to bet that the biggest fireworks will be the inner ones that Hong-ah, Jung-woo, and maybe even Crazy MaMa experience when their obsessive delusions finally founder on the immovable shoals of reality. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. Just my $0.02. ;-)

We have at last seen Hyun-soo wake up and smell the Blue Mountain coffee that Jung-sun has been patiently waiting to drip for her. In episodes 13/14, we've finally gotten to hear Jung-sun's narration of his inner evolution. From here on out, I have no reason to expect him and Hyun-soo to cease speaking truthfully with each other. That's not to rule out future machinations on the part of Hong-ah, who is bound and determined to take up the mantle of She Who Was Scorned.

2
13
reply

Required fields are marked *

"kishotenketsu four-act plot sans conflict" sounds Japanese? I love reading your insights in various comment sections - are you a writer/teacher of literature or literary styles (if i may ask, feel free to not answer)?

1
8
reply

Required fields are marked *

@Greenfields,

Thank you so much for your kind words. It is my intent to share insights into Asian literary and dramatic conventions that have made Kdrama more comprehensible -- and enjoyable -- to me.

I sometimes feel as if I'm harping on kishotenketsu, the Japanese name for a storytelling structure that is used across East Asia. A Beanie's mention of it opened a door to understanding Korean drama that has been wonderfully insightful to me, and I like to pass it along to spread the joy.

The earliest links to it on my fan wall (along with Mugyo -- indigenous Korean shamanism -- which often manifests as flashbacks and non-linear time) are buried very far down. IMHO, they are well worth excavating and reading.

I majored in English literature and German, and worked as a translator. Many years ago I taught ESL to Japanese college students in the US for about 5 months.

For most of my life I've been an inveterate reader -- until I got hooked on Kdrama and DramaBeans a couple of years ago.

Thanks again! ;-)

0

@pakalanapikake,

It's good to hear (read?) a little bit about you. :) I've found that watching too much drama at a stretch dulls my brain. But I think you'd be just fine - you analyse it the way I would an agreement being challenged in Court!

1

@Greenfields October 10, 2017 at 5:23 PM

Aw, shucks. Thanks! ;-)

Does that mean you are an attorney? My Mother always said I should have become a lawyer, but I think I would have gone nuts. So I translated old anthropology texts and went bonkers anyway. ;-)

1

@pakalanapikake,

Attorney, indeed. :) I'm very much a rookie though, am still settling into the profession. Which is why 'Witch's Court' is my new drama crack. I have so much to say about Episode 2, where's the recap!! 0_0

You would make a good lawyer, I agree. Those analytical skills are a major asset. And anthropology textbooks sound fun too. :D

1

@Greenfields October 10, 2017 at 7:16 PM

Is there any particular aspect of law that you are drawn to specialize in?

One of the guitarists I knew from my disk jockeying went on to attend Columbia University's then-new entertainment law program, IIRC. Considering how many musicians were ripped off by unscrupulous managers and record companies back in the day, it was a canny move.

In my career as a contract word processor operator, I worked in the patent law department at a pharmaceutical company. The two older lawyers I supported were a hoot, and told me that folks in their specialty tended to be kind of wild and crazy. The fine print must have driven them around the bend. Later I supported the product managers in charge of launching a new prescription drug in the product marketing department of another drug company. Oh, the joy of dealing with the US Food and Drug Administration while they reviewed the labeling.

Oddly enough, my aptitude tests at the Johnson O'Connor Foundation revealed my strongest aptitudes were for law or photography (which was my hobby for many years). Mom was right after all! ;-)

1

@pakalanapikake,

OO you've had quite a bit of experience with the law! Patents and IPR in general is a fascinating area. And I wonder if your work with the FDA put you off certain types of food/brands forever. :D

I had a bit of a rocky start to my legal career - where I didn't actually like law, but I've come to love it now. In the past few months, I was a human rights and environment attorney (advocate, in my jurisdiction). Which is all great and noble, but doesn't pay the bills. As an only child, there's also my parents to consider. I'm now switching to commercial litigation with a law firm - corporate, banking, insolvency, competition, IPR, arbitration etc. I figure that as an established advocate, I'll have the opportunity to take on pro bono work as I've seen seniors here do.

1

@ Greenfields October 11, 2017 at 12:35 AM

Call me jacquelin of all trades, master of none. I have had a broad smattering of exposure to various fields in the 10 years that I temped as a word processing contractor, but I think I was only in the patent law department for a couple of weeks while someone was on vacation. The product marketing gig lasted about a year and a half. As you might guess, by the time I read the disclaimers and contraindications for some of the Rx drugs, there was no way I'd want to touch them with a 10-foot barge pole. ;-)

As far as working with legal documents goes, a friend worked as a tech writer for a major leasing company that was converting its contract paperwork into online digital files. I was good at formatting and layout, and worked on the document conversion project for a couple of months. Man, that 4-point sans serif boilerplate is a killer. While I was at it, I proofread the contracts and cleaned up the typos. ;-)

It sounds as if you're making good progress getting your feet wet in the practice of law. I imagine that commercial litigation would be pretty steady work. It sounds like there's a lot of variety, too. Working in commercial litigation to support your pro bono efforts sounds like an inspired choice. Very cool! Hwaiting!!

1

@pakalanapikake,

Thanks! It's not an uncommon choice here. ^^
Can I just say that I love the phrase 'Jacqueline of all trades, master of none'? :D I'm going to appropriate it. Your 10 years sound like they were filled with a ton of variety! I think a drama could be made out of them. ^^

2

I’ve read your fan wall posts on this and I agree that knowing this story-telling device even exists gave me more patience in watching many of these dramas! Thank you!

1
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

@Ally,

You're most welcome!

I'd like to point out that "nunchi" ("eye measurement") is also an important skill to cultivate. It means inferring what's happening by paying careful attention to many and varied details. Using your intuition (6th sense) is one way of accomplishing this. Another is to use inductive reasoning as opposed to the deductive kind that we are taught in school in the West. Both kinds of reasoning have their uses. If you can do both, you're ahead of the game.

Note: Since you have offspring in school, you might get a kick out of the aptitude testing that was devised by electrical engineer Johnson O'Connor starting in the 1920s. A friend of mine turned me onto it about 30 years ago, and I went for the battery of aptitude tests. It gave me a lot of insight into my inherent strengths. ;-)

1

Yeah, I think that is what my problem is: I can't quite enjoy it without conflict. Granted, watching Dae Jang-Geum, I kept thinking "my god, can you stop making these convoluted conflicts and petty girl rivals and just let the story happen?!" (I am NOT educated in litterature and just enjoy casual watches, so my thought process is very biased), while there is a Japanese drama about a female cook where I don't mind it being fairly episodic with not much of a conflict. I guess I'm longing for a new SDQ that I am forcing ToL to be like it, when that is unfair because ToL is its own thing.

I don't really feel like Jung-Woo not making a big deal out of the couple would be switching our expectations, because I feel almost all male second leads do everything for the female lead with no rewards, but in the end just back quietly away with a smile, maybe after a small fight. That was why I loved Yeonsangun; I loved watching his inner conflict and instability get worse until it erupted, because when the main couple are as stable and loving as CK and Yeok were, there was no need for a kind, loving male rival that we would only feel sorry for.

However, you obviously know more about storytelling and dramas than I do (I just started half a year ago), and if you say the writer is good at changing the expected, then I'm happy to see it. :)

1
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

@Pensola,

You raise many very good points. I like your analysis of Yeonsangun and his developmental arc in SEVEN DAY QUEEN. Even though he was the second lead, he always felt like the first lead to me -- in no small part because he was king, which trumped everything else. ;-)

I may have studied English literature back in the day, but that doesn't make me some kind of expert. Sure, I loved to read Shakespeare, but it's been a dog's age.

As for Kdrama, I've only been watching for a few years, and in the beginning, it was exclusively sageuks. I don't like melodrama and makjang and usually avoid them if possible. Lately I've been watching rom-coms and romances more than in the past.

My first case of second lead syndrome occurred in SHE WAS PRETTY. Up until that point I think I was clueless about the SLS trope, and as you can see, I still don't have the greatest handle on it. If second lead males are usually the nice guys who finish last, then maybe Jung-woo will turn into a vengeful bastard who throws his weight around. A male Hong-ah on steroids?! On the other hand, that would be illogical and self-defeating for the character as he has thus far appeared. It's possible that he could go off the deep end precisely because he gets so bent out of shape over what he perceives to be betrayal by the OTP.

I suspect that Writer-nim will subvert the usual second lead trajectory, but I could be wrong. Maybe Jung-woo has developmental tasks of his own to achieve before he can find true happiness. For now, we can only wait and see.

One of the things I most appreciate about DramaBeans is the forum it provides us here in the recap threads. We can all come together and compare notes and speculate on the directions and manners in which plots and characters evolve. It's not just a matter of book learning, either. Each of us brings our life experience with us when we view dramas. Real-life insights are sometimes worth a lot more than half-remembered dramatic structure from World Literature 101. ;-)

1

Comment was deleted

0
reply

Required fields are marked *

I lost interest in this show as well. I love slice of life story. I like it a lot. From the first and second episodes I thought this show is going to be a feel good slice of life, with all the beautiful scenery and the romatic relationship with our leads. But this is not what I wanted. This is not a feel good slice of life, this is a depressing slice of life! Work is hell, relationship is complicated, second leads is frustating. That's why I can't get into the show anymore.

4
4
reply

Required fields are marked *

"This is not a feel good slice of life, this is a depressing slice of life! Work is hell, relationship is complicated, second leads is frustating."

:D :D :D I replied above, but I should have written it here. Yeah! You really do need to be in the mood for this sort of stuff. Even Misaeng, which is an amazing, amazing slice of life show, isn't one which you can just pick up on a random day.

3
reply

Required fields are marked *

Maybe my “slice of life” is even more depressing than this, because this is a light watch for me! I described it as a warm blanket hug with hot chocolate. I think I’m more into how he prepares food for her (food is always comforting) with so much care. I think any drama that elevates food and integrates it well into the story line is a winner in my book. So, it is “feel good” for me. And the relationship really isn’t that complicated because they’re actually talking about their feelings and not assuming anything—which is more frustrating to watch in my opinion. And I can ignore the annoying second lead—I do in real life. And I can identify with work being hell (but it’ll get better), so anticipation of the payoff is driving my desire to watch too.

3
2
reply

Required fields are marked *

"I think I’m more into how he prepares food for her (food is always comforting) with so much care. I think any drama that elevates food and integrates it well into the story line is a winner in my book. So, it is “feel good” for me."

This almost convinces me to continue watching the show. Your words are a reminder that we live in day to day pixels, and should enjoy them as well, instead of always focusing on the larger picture. :)

2
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

For me, kdrama tropes will always be there, and there’s a predictably to them, but it’s the little things that compell me to watch—things like this—how a hero shows his love to the heroine—it’s not always grand, sweeping gestures—it’s feeding her, opening an umbrella, putting a towel over her wet hair, etc.

2

Maybe because this is character-driven drama, not plot-driven drama. There are a lot of talking and we need to listen to them while looking at their expressions for the whole epi. This somehow give a feeling of some drama specials and indie movies. Just like indie movies which are not meant for everyone, I guess it is the same for this drama. I love this kind of drama, but I'm afraid 20 /40 epi would be too long for this character-driven drama. Besides the second leads are just so boring characters, especially Hong-ah, she is just another bitchy second lead which isn't fit with the atmosphere of this drama. I could see this drama is a little bit upgrade than Doctors, but still the recycle of the same plot.

But gotta be honest, this kind of drama also depends on the casts for me to watch it, if I don't fond with the main casts, maybe I won't watch at all. I'm not huge fan of romance melodrama (I guess no more, I used to like it back to 2000s) so now it is all depends on the casts. I skipped some romance drama this year including the sageuk ones due to the casts are not my fav but I don't regret at all.

4
7
reply

Required fields are marked *

Hey Sera! I love your perspective as always. It's true that describing this as a character driven drama instead of the standard plot driven one is a great way to look at it.

I agree that Hong Ah does not at all fit the atmosphere of this show. And it is hard to judge where Jung Woo's character is going, as so aptly explained by @pensola above. *sigh* I think I've seen too many of dramaland's romances as well.

2
4
reply

Required fields are marked *

Maybe just like in our life, too much romance with our partner without other relationships will make us feel exhausted too -that's how our relationship with romance drama as well LOL. I think drama offerings for this season seem to focus more on romance with Mon-Tues slot is filled with romance drama (Witch's Court is not entirely in romance genre,but it is still there) so hopefully drama like Mad Dog and Buamdong Revenge Club will be able offer something different.

3
3
reply

Required fields are marked *

Agreed. :)
That may be why my must watch are - Witch's Court, Mad Dog and Revenge Club. Also Black. I loved Witch's Court by the way. <3
No sageuks this time though. :(

1

@Greenfields October 10, 2017 at 5:19 PM

I'll be tuning in to MAD DOG and BLACK if my mental bandwidth can handle the load. See you there! ;-)

2

@pakalanapikake,

Awesome! I look forward to it! :D

1

@Sera The Ms Temper,

The operative phrase is "character-driven drama" -- and I think it's important to keep in mind that there are many other characters besides the OTP. One of the most satisfying aspects of REBEL: THIEF WHO STOLE THE PEOPLE was the wonderful manner in which the stories of minor characters were interwoven with the main plot. Even characters with very limited screen time managed to contribute significantly to the story line and its emotional impact.

I suspect that we'll see interesting character development not only for the second leads, but for other characters as well. Maybe even Director Min and Writer Park, as well as the kitchen crew at Good Soup. Who knows, Crazy MaMa might even get a redemptive arc, but I refuse to hold my breath. ;-)

I'm hoping TEMPERATURE OF LOVE succeeds in totally subverting the makjang angstfest that is seemingly being built up for Hong-ah and Jung-woo. That's what I'm crossing my fingers for. ;-)

1
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

Agree. I think maybe because this writer's pattern seem to focus around 90% for OTP for the first half of drama and start to develop other characters during second half somehow can make viewers started to lose interest, especially this drama is romance drama, not a romcom. This drama kinda give me the same vibe like Tomorrow With You, slow but has the nuance.

Rebel and Chief Kim are among the best examples of this year which were able to make use of almost all characters in my opinion from the start. The difference is, the balance of the characters' development already started from the beginning.

2
reply

Required fields are marked *

I have so many thoughts on the themes in the growth trajectories, and where they could go! I'm still working them out, but here's a key theme which has been bouncing around my head for the last few weeks, on Truth and Manipulation.

We all have self-preserving tendencies, which is why we lie to ourselves. HS says she's "full of contradictions", and JW plays manipulative games where he makes people do the opposite of what they want - like how he denied HS the right to bat again, in an early episode. HS herself plays this game - where she said yes to an early dinner with JW because she thought he would make her go (omg reverse-reverse psychology is making my head hurt), and when she says yes to a gift from Paris because she figured he thought she'd say no to accepting it. And of course HA is all about manipulation and self-deception with her one-sided violent love for JS.

This is why I'm really excited to see how HS has grown since 5 yrs ago, when her "truth" that her relationships ended completely because a terrible thing to behold, when JS just left her completely -- she was "honest" and she technically got what she wanted, but there was a huge gap between what she said and what she felt - the 18 inches between her head and her heart because she wasn't honest with herself. As a viewer, I need her to close the gap!

WJ and JS seem to be the few people who are truthful and honest about their feelings. WJ loves HA but knows she needs to be a nicer person - he sees her warts and all, but loves her anyway, and will wait for her - even as he knows she's pining after JS. And despite the fact that, he's still buddies with JS! He also knows he loves cooking so he's gone and given up a medical career to cook. WJ's such a keeper; I hope he doesn't end up being a doormat to HA or to JS+HS. I really like WJ's character, and I'm actually very curious to know how WJ met JS met HA met HS - we all know how HS and JS met of course, but what about the rest of the gang of 4?

JS is of course, the youngest and yet conversely, the most self-aware of all of them, probably because of his traumatic childhood. Abusive father who conveniently forgets his violent past, co-dependent mother who is an emotional vampire -- no wonder JS has impulse control issues, and just wants people to be honest with him. I can see however, that his honesty is going to show fault lines soon - it's already cracked with HA, and the truth will come out about him and HS soon with JW -- but while he can't control how other people feel, what they actually do about their feelings can have very real, terrible consequences for him and those whom he loves.

--- As an aside, I quite like JS's mother; I find her actually very self-aware in her self-deception -- she knows she doesn't want to live alone, and that she wants a man - and her offside comment to Daniel as he pitched a fit in the previous week, where she commented something like "what I have to put up with to...

3
2
reply

Required fields are marked *

...--- As an aside, I quite like JS's mother; I find her actually very self-aware in her self-deception -- she knows she doesn't want to live alone, and that she wants a man - and her offside comment to Daniel as he pitched a fit in the previous week, where she commented something like "what I have to put up with to be with a man" -- so she knows she's being ridiculous, but for a love that burns hot, she'll do it. Her character is still nuts, of course. But compared to HA, I think JS's mother better at the emotional manipulation -- which is great for us since JS's been trained by the master, so is completely immune to HA's emotional blackmail!

5
reply

Required fields are marked *

@purebristles

Amen, amen, and amen! Not only is Jung-sun's mother an emotional vampire, his father is an emotional black hole.

MaMa cannot survive without an audience. In that respect, she and Hong-ah are peas in a pod.

0
reply

Required fields are marked *

Yeah, I think Jung-woo and Hong-ah are alike in many ways in their delusion, but that their scenarios are different enough that we haven't seen their similarities yet. For Hong-ah, she always knew Jung-sun liked Hyun-soo all these years, and the girls were together and saw each other regularly. Combine that with the fact that Hyun-soo on paper is more successful than Hong-ah, it makes her jealousy and possessive nature shine. For her, she knows who the "rival" is, and so can put the blame on said rival instead of just accepting that the guy doesn't like her that way.

Jung-woo, on the other hand, does not know who his "rival" is. He doens't even know he HAS a legitimate "rival". For him, Hyun-soo's past lover is someone she lost five years ago and is no longer within her reach. She does not talk about him, even if she has him in her mind. There is technically nobody Jung-woo can compete with, and so he uses his energy on Hyun-soo to make her fall in love with him, which doesn't work because, unknown to him, there is someone she loves. For Hong-ah, Jung-sun's love goes to Hyun-soo and she must top it. For Jung-woo, Hyun-soo's love is sitting there and he must make it come to him. Hong-ah has someone to be jealous of, while Jung-woo (for now) doesn't.

That is why I really hope it will be some spetacle when Jung-woo finds out about the OTP, because now he realizes that there IS a "rival". Because there have been these small hints so far that he likes to get what he wants, does not like taking no for an answer, likes to have power over people, makes decisions for others (propose based on his own feelings, not to mention that if he makes a big proposal scene at Good Food it will pressure Hyun-soo to accept), and such. If the result is that he only gets angry for being lied to (which he never was, it was just not something they thought he had to know!), then calms down and it's all good, I'm going to be disappointed. But we are not even halfway, so who knows what will happen?

Also, I have a question: If Jung-woo's restaurant is based on French cuisine/style (I think they mentioned that in the first episodes?), why is his restaurant called Good Food in English? Shouldn't it be in French?

5
7
reply

Required fields are marked *

I thought it was 'Good Soup'? That's the name of the restaurant in the subs I've seen. And true that - a French name would be more appropriate!

I don't like the idea of a grand marriage proposal at a restaurant either, when they are not even dating! If there's already love and romance there, it's a sweet, romantic idea. But when there's been little hint of feelings from the other party, it just makes for an awkward moment and as you say - puts immense pressure on the one being proposed to, to say yes because:
1. They feel obligated. Grand gesture and all.
2. They don't want to embarrass the proposer.

1
6
reply

Required fields are marked *

Oh, yeah, you're right! Gah, I even thought what kind of professional chef would call his restaurant "Good Food" which sounds like an American store. XD My point still stands that you'd think a French-based restaurant would be named something French.

Yeah, I personally think culture has a lot to do with it. My idea for a romantic proposal is quiet, isolated and intimate. My ideal one would be in the cabin after skiing up the mountain, with the local chocolate and maybe red wine (it also avoids total humiliation if things don't go as planned). If everything is in public, it does not feel like it is about the couple anymore, it becomes entertainment, a show. But other cultures think that a public proposal is sharing the event and joy with everyone, and that marriage and love should not be closed in and private, it should be open for the world.

Then again, IF Jung-woo is still the manipulative type that does things more to have power and get what he wants, it would be totally in his character to make it a grand proposal to pressure her into saying yet (and because the thought of her rejecting him doesn't even cross him). We just haven't really seen much of that side in a while. Sure, he wants to get his way to the point he blackmails the actor, but it is shown as doing it for Hyun-soo, not for his own sake. Maybe I shouldn't keep brining Jung-woo up so much because the drama is more about the relationship between the main couple, but I can't help it, I want to see some conflict for the couple, not just conflict for each of them individually. :P

2
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

How interesting! I come from a culture where proposals are largely family affairs, where the family of the bride/groom speaks to the family of the other half. This is slowly changing, particularly in the cities, but that's the majority of cases.

"But other cultures think that a public proposal is sharing the event and joy with everyone, and that marriage and love should not be closed in and private, it should be open for the world." This the use of 'other cultures' here caught me by surprise, even though on second thought, it should be obvious that there are cultures that would prefer quiet, private proposals.

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

Good Soup was Jung-sun's username in 2012, so maybe that's why he isn't using a French name for his bistro.

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

Probably the worst marriage proposal I've ever seen in a Kdrama was the one in SOUL MATE when the leading lady's then-boyfriend proposed on bended knee on a subway car running under Seoul. It turned into a cringefest of epic proportions when everyone whipped out their cellphones and uploaded video clips to their social networking accounts, and she was too mortified to turn him down.

Later in the show, leading man Shin Dong-wook's rich and sweetly relentless girlfriend tried to corner him into accepting her proposal at a formal engagement party. It blew up in her face in a distressing way that was not at all funny.

1
2
reply

Required fields are marked *

Oh, god. Again, that is another reason I prefer isolated/private proposals. Even if they talk about marriage before public proposals, then it just feels unnecessary to have the public proposal because then marriage has already been unofficially agreed on.

I would imagine that Jung-woo would have a huge public proposal, and Jung-sun will be about to help, but then Hyun-soo surprises him by accpeting. However, afterward she takes Jung-woo to a private room and reprimand him and tell him "we never even dated, I made it clear I didn't want that sort of relationship with you!", and clears out that she only accepted to save his (and her) face, but that she won't actually go with it. It will still be incredibly cringeworthy, but then again, I think I personally would find any public proposals (and American "promposals", ugh) cringy.

2
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

@Pensola,

I agree with you about public proposals. No way in hell!

0

Whoops I ship all three now it's an OT3 situation because when Jung-Woo left Hyun-Soo's house without saying anything, I instantly thought that would make for a better, happier scene.

So no no one tell me the reality of the ship, the show will end with Hyun Soo marrying both Jung-Sun and Jung Woo and they'll have a happy home with me as their mother protecting them from anything bad in the world

2
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

I'm scared. I hope when Jungwoo knows about Hyunsoo and Jungsun he can be more rational than Hongah and doesn't hold some irrational grudge or something. I hope the fallaout won't be too big and affect their professional life, because Jungwoo is their boss! He has a lot of power over them. Please Jungwoo...be the better person! You can do it writer-nim! Speaking of writer...

I mean, is that even a thing that people actually do?

I agree with you @lollypip. The second leads behaviour related to their pursue of love is a little unrealistic. I mean, what kind of person have that much entitlement and soo selfish, they can't see that YOU CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING IN THIS WORLD! Geez... guys, learn some lesson in humility. Your feelings isn't more important just because you guys rich or succesful. Alright, that's my second leads rant... It feels good to get that out of my chest 😁

3
8
reply

Required fields are marked *

I think Mr Darcy pretty much proposed to Elizabeth Bennet in that manner in Pride and Prejudice :D heehee!

0
5
reply

Required fields are marked *

LOL. I totally forget about Mr Darcy. He's also that (rich, successful, thinks he's important) but at least he's the male lead so he's guaranteed to get the girl 😁. Also Pride & Prejudice take place in the 1800s, and men in that time period isn't the most understanding about women feelings.

0
reply

Required fields are marked *

Speaking of Pride and Prejudice, the instrumental piano arrangements and orchestrations remind me of an English period drama, which gives it a more nostalgic feeling, which I also reeaaallly like. So those of you not watching the actual drama, try this episode, it’s really pretty.

1
3
reply

Required fields are marked *

I thought I was the only one who thought this way! The show's introduction has a very pastoral/fairground feel to it, and I've always felt a lot of the instrumental tracks in the soundtrack were very English -- and rather unfortunately, very out of place.

I think the show's soundtrack needs a bit of work; after seeing some excellent music work in Goblin and Strong Woman Do Bong Soon, I'm quite disappointed with the music work in this show. I'm *guessing* that they're trying to introduce "French-ness" into the aural tone, but it's really not working well.

1
2
reply

Required fields are marked *

They could have gone with a classic like Edith Piaf, but that might have been too retro. -- And that is the extent of my knowledge of French pop music -- aside from Plastic Bertrand and a couple of Breton folk rockers. And the Roma jazz guitarist Django Reinhardt.

1

I think I know what the music dircector is trying to achieve (or maybe I don’t, and I think I do). They are going for a period piece tone and even the way the second lead acts (as so aptly stated earlier) is very 18th century. Their dialogue also reminds me of the witty banter in a Jane Austen novel (although not as polished as an Austenian novel, but what would be?). It’s just set in the present. Is it perfect? No. But could I do better? Probably not. If I was the music director, I would have had more input on from actual French musicians on what would constitute “good music” to go in “good soup,” but I find that these shows never go as far as to be accurate in these little things that international audiences would pick up on. They are still catering to Koreans, who probably have no idea what they are hearing.

1

I don't think Jung Woo is going to take the high road. I think the price for him giving up Hyun Soo is going to be his investment in Good Soup. I think that's why Jung Sun's father said, "Don't sell the land that Grandpa gave you." Because that's what he's going to have to do to keep the restaurant and stand on his own two feet when Jung Woo dumps him. I do think Jung Woo will reconcile with them in the end, but first he is going to make life miserable for them.

4
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

I was frankly surprised when Dad told Jung-sun to keep the land his granddad left him. It certainly seemed to be telegraphing future events -- or maybe Writer-nim is trolling us? Will we see more of that conversation in flashbacks?

0
reply

Required fields are marked *

It is heartbreaking so see our main girl so beaten down by everything that is going on yet she manages to pick herself up every time. So when she threw in the towel this time I don't know why but a part of me was annoyed. We face so many setbacks daily and I more than understand the feeling of being trampled down and not getting our due recognition. But that is how things go and we still grit our teeth, go against the currents and deal with it and deep down I was screaming at her not to quit simply because it just didn't sit well with me. Sometimes, we just have to overlook the injustice and get on with it. Maybe she has had enough of being stomped on and having her parade rained on by naysayers and she has had enough of it but a huge part of me can't help feeling frustrated by this whole situation and I keep thinking if only she held on a while more her big break will come soon.

Perhaps this drama is trying to tell me that its ok to stand your ground and cut some things loose

5
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

@yellowlemonfairy,

What struck me the most about Hyun-soo's declaration to Jung-woo that she was throwing in the towel as the screenwriter of UNRULY DETECTIVES was that continuing to hang on would be a Pyrrhic victory.

From her point of view there was no sense in receiving empty accolades for a ghostwriter's work. She had a vision for the story she wanted to tell and how it should unfold, and she'd been prevented from realizing those objectives. Her brainchild was kidnapped. No amount of "hush money" from the production company, or acclaim from critics and viewers, could reverse the fact that the drama had been stolen out from under her. I'm with her on this 100%, even if her name will be mud in the industry as a result. There may be a third way that is not yet evident.

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

The scene was so refreshing between Jung-sun and Hong-ah. He was so direct! I loved how he straight up said she was emotionally abusing him. Hong-ah you need to realize that you are! Stop trying to manipulate people in order to get your way!

While I love our two leads together, there was some serious chemistry at the end between her and Jung-woo. Seo Hyun-jin really is the queen of chemistry. It also doesn't help that Kim Jae-wook is absolutely fabulously amazingly gorgeous! I just find myself staring at his face...it's mesmerizing. Hahahaha

5
2
reply

Required fields are marked *

That scene was awesome. I like that he doesn't say sorry. And the cherry on the icing is Hyun soo telling her that She and Jung sun would look together ooonly if he likes her back OMG!!! That burned.

2
reply

Required fields are marked *

Jung-sun's conversation with Hong-ah was a prime example of "detachment with love." He dispassionately spoke the truth with kindness and caring -- while maintaining a strong interpersonal boundary. I think of detachment as "emotional elbow room." He was totally present and gave her his full attention. Because he spoke the truth, there was no way Hong-ah could counter his statement as she was the one who was delusional, if not lying through her teeth. He didn't try to argue with her. And when he finally shrugged and quit speaking, there was absolutely nothing she could say. She was left holding the bag. I agree -- it was most refreshing. ;-)

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

Thanks for the recap! Okay, I’m loving Hyun-soo and Jung-sun’s relationship so much. Even though they’re definitely attracted to each other, the foundation of their relationship isn’t attraction but mutual support and that’s so beautiful.
Jung-sun and Jung-woo’s relationship is still getting me too, and I’m getting more and more anxious for when everything starts going downhill for them...I just really love the easy chemistry all three of them have with each other; it makes such a light, easy-to-watch show into so much more.

4
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

I love this show. It's breezy and realistic at the same time. I've sat through so many dramas where they buildup constant obstacles and noble idiocy just to plug the plot along that this show just delights me by how frank and refreshing it is. I get so many of those "damn, she did that, he said that!" moments.
I love the assistant writer and sous chef-so precious. I've really grown to like Jung woo and I feel the chemistry between them as well but in that scene I was like hands off my Hyun Soo! Now will JS and HS stop saying pretty words to each other and just get together already!

4
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

"I’m getting really scared for the moment when he finds out about Hyun-soo and Jung-sun, because although he’s a good person who truly cares for them both, there’s definitely a dark side simmering under the surface. I’m not looking forward to that part of him being woken up." neither do I!! I'm really scared of Jung Woo's dark side!! I really love his bromance with Jung Seon and I don't want it to be ruined!! :(

and I really supper love Jung Seon for his honesty and forwardness about saying what he feels no matter what and I was actually cheering when he told Hong Joo that her feelings is her responsability and not try to force it on him!! OH YEAH!! but she's just crazy and doesn't really process what he keeps telling her!!

1
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

Why does jo boah get this kind of character aigooo

1
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

“Everyone is less important than Hyun-soo.”. Oh wow.

I just love the conversations people are having in this show, especially between Jung sun and Hyun soo. They're loaded with emotions and meaning that I had to pause a few times to let them sink in.
Both are scared but please be together and double your courage up.

7
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

Hyun Soo’s uncompromising stance with her career might win her brownie points on the long run after she’s built up her reputation and brand; but will certainly make success a very difficult, uphill battle. Part of me wishes she would compromise more, because real life is all about compromises. But I respect her decision not to take the credit for someone else’s writing.

Hong ah is just a spoilt child. She wants Jung sun because she can’t have him, ignoring the very sweet, lovable guy who is head over heels in love with her. I hope she grows up quickly and the writer doesn’t leave that for the last two episodes.

I feel sorry for Jung Won, if his motivation for going above and beyond to help Hyun Soo is romantically motivated, the dude’s going to be sorely disappointed, cause she’s not into him.

5
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

Scene of the day is when Jung-Sun admitting his fear to Hyun-Soo. Their interaction is mature and real, where they lay out everything crystal-clear. Love it!

4
3
reply

Required fields are marked *

I loved how that scene mirrored the earlier one where Hyun-soo admitted her fears to Jung-sun. The way that they are learning to be honest and open with each other is so much more mature and I am definitely here for it.

2
2
reply

Required fields are marked *

I thought so too, but to me his confession is stronger, because it's about his feelings and not wating to get hurt by her again. He's such a mature character.

2
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

My hat was off to Jung-sun. He felt the fear, and did it anyway.

0
reply

Required fields are marked *

What I like about this drama, is that although it is slow it has nuance, and it keeps me fully engaged. I also like that we learned more about Jung Sun as a character in this episode. I really like how calm and mature he is, and how straightforward he is! I loved that he clearly, though a bit harshly, turned Hong Ah down. His character really is kind of unique, I've never seen a character like his in a drama before!

Hyun Soo on the other hand needs to be more confident in herself and more assertive in her feelings. So far, she feels wishy washy (but I don't blame her). However the previews show that she will finally confess her feelings for Jung Sun! So I hope the relationship will take off from there.

3
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

I love this, the slow pace, the soft cinematography. Even Seo Hyun Jin is more muted, softer, and her character is more reflective, different than any other thing I’ve seen her in, and I’m appreciating this.

I also just realized that another reason that Jung-Sun is apprehensive about getting into a serious relationship is because of his horrible experience with his parents’ marriage. And although Hyun-Soo is the antithesis of his mother, there must be some pull away from her because he may be afraid that she is changeable, like his mother to some degree. How his mother changed to suit her partner, but Hyun-Soo changes to suit herself. I’d be second guessing things too!

5
2
reply

Required fields are marked *

I can finally understand the reason why Seo Hyun-jin took this drama, because it is clearly different from her roles in Oh Hae-young & RTDK. This role really need her subtle and nuance acting, and I'm glad she is able to make use of her skills here. I always know she is amazing, but I can also understand if some people were turned off by her in OHY.

5
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

@Sera,

I totally agree that Hyun-soo is in no way a retread of plain Oh Hae-young in ANOTHER MISS OH / OH HAE-YOUNG AGAIN. As I expected, Seo Hyun-jin is portraying the writer in a marvelously nuanced manner.

I was greatly put off by OHY's binge-drinking and out-of-control shenanigans in the beginning. But it was well worth cultivating the patience to observe her character unfolding and evolving gradually and organically.

Ditto for the opaque Park Do-kyung, who also emerged as a beautifully nuanced character, in no small part thanks to Eric's masterful performance. Interestingly, Do-kyung's parents' tortured relationship cast a long shadow on his ability to love fearlessly and without reservation. The context is different, but the extent of the character's developmental arc is reminiscent of Jung-sun's.

OHYA is a drama that you cannot fast-forward through without missing subtle character exposition and development. The same holds true for TEMPERATURE OF LOVE.

4
reply

Required fields are marked *

Thanks so much for your recap and comments, LollyPip!

“I feel uncomfortable whenever I see my parents. It makes my heart feel complicated, and complicated is difficult. Because it’s difficult, I hesitate. Because I don’t want to hesitate, I overreact. Because I don’t want to overreact, I suppress myself. That’s the kind of person I am.”

Hot diggity dog, even though it took until episode 13, it was worth the wait to hear straight from the horse's mouth what makes Jung-sun tick. It's interesting to see that when it comes to emotions, he is truly like a stately swan gliding across a glassy pond. You would never guess just how furiously he is churning the water below the surface. And he is totally mindful while he does so. You would never guess his true inner state just by looking at him. While what you see is what you get with Jung-sun, you simply could never guess the process by which he arrives at that end state unless he tells you flat out. What looks like coolness is anything but. What he embodies, displays, and patently expresses is the distillation of his inner life.

Jung-sun's crystal clarity is the polar opposite of 2012 Hyun-soo's self-centered disregard for the depth and extent of his feelings. He does not make a big deal of expressing his feelings, which is a conscious adaptation to growing up with his emotionally volatile parents. I have the sense that because Hyun-soo grew up with openly affectionate and expressive parents (and a sister who is forthright about her disdain), she has not learned to accurately read between the lines when it comes to others' emotions. (Ah, she's lacking in nunchi! Or has a surfeit of obliviousness.) She disrespectd Jung-sun for wearing his heart on his sleeve when he is actually making it easier for her to understand him - - and she misreadd him anyway. (Or is she afraid to destroy her carefully-cultivated detachment and insistence on focusing on her career?) Similarly, Hyun-soo knows that Hong-ah has her nose out of joint, but scrupulously refuses to address the emotional elephant in the room for years on end.

8
5
reply

Required fields are marked *

I absolutely love your in-depth analysis! It's interesting to me that Jung-sun, a child of physically and emotionally abusive parents, is so much more emotionally mature in his relationships than Hyun-soo, who had very loving parents...Although, I think it's pretty common for children in abusive situations to achieve that emotional maturity sooner because they must rely on themselves for emotional support due to lack of said support from their parents.
I have to say, I love how deep and well-thought out our main couple's characters are.

3
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

@russe,

Glad to be of assistance. ;-)

I surprised myself when I put 2+2 together tonight while mulling over the ways in which children who grow up in dysfunctional families develop various and sundry survival skills. Nunchi (literally, "eye measurement" -- the ability to read emotional weather via subtle clues in other people's behavior) is one of the most important. It's interesting to me that there is a word for it in Korean. The closest word I can think of in English is “hyperawareness.” It is, however, apropos for children from families beset by alcoholism and other addictions and dysfunctions; the “fight or flight” response is always just below the surface. They instinctively tune in to everything going on around them and become masters at intuiting unspoken and denied vibes. (This is something that all infants do as a matter of course. It's pretty much hard-wired.) Always living with one ear to the ground, constantly walking on eggshells, and knowing which way the wind blows even in their sleep are all necessary survival skills.

The down side is that growing up in dysfuntional conditions often results in unconsciously adopting attitudes and behaviors that enable survival in soul-killing circumstances, but which are maladaptive in "normal," healthy ones. The late Swiss psychiatrist Alice Miller wrote several illuminating books on the subject, among them The Drama of the Gifted Child, Thou Shalt Not Be Aware, and For Your Own Good. See my comments on her work in the BEAUTIFUL MIND ep. 12 recap thread, along with an interview with her published in OMNI magazine in 1987 (on my fan wall).

http://www.dramabeans.com/2016/07/beautiful-mind-episode-12/#comment-2345631

Jung-sun appears to have become his mother's “rescuer” and also something of a “rebel” insofar as he left home at a young age. At 23 he was extremely responsible and mature for his age, which in my book makes him a “family hero.” His tweezer artistry while plating meals is nothing if not perfectionistic. He second-guesses his own emotional responses and goes to great lengths to control them. I'm wondering how he'll hold up if/when his relationship with Jung-woo goes sideways.

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

Oh wow. I missed a lot of this nuance because I wasn't paying attention (and this show does need attention). Thanks for the pointer.

On a separate note - I'm often curious if writers have such things thought out about their characters, of if we the viewers, draw more connections and see further patterns in the way the story plays out.

2
2
reply

Required fields are marked *

I think writers do flesh out their characters in the same way many of us would—as many commentators are actual writers in real life, and the rest of us, wannabes. I think that they have stories they want to tell and characters they want to see live on screen. One of Hyun-soo’s reasons for quitting the drama was because the other writers bastardized her story and she couldn’t bear to be associated with it. It was not the story she wanted to tell; those were not the characters she wrote. Their trajectories went a different direction than what she intended. I think the good writers definitely know where their characters are going and probably are ecstatic when the viewing audience “gets” it. At least I would.

2
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

That's a good point. I understood why Hyun Soo opted out, but I wished she had stayed because screenwriting is such a difficult field and her big break will definitely come if she just hangs on.

But that's wouldn't be true to Hyun Soo's character - something her writer understood. And I understood that on reading your comment. ^^

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

Really loving this drama! What a relief after the remarkable drama-drought of the past 2-3 months.

4
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

I love Jungsun's character. His emotions and feelings are so raw and real. I enjoyed his honesty when speaking to Hyunsoo. He laid it all out in front of her; how he feels, what he is thinking. I respect him and his choice about putting himself out there on a limb with her. Yang Sejong is doing a fantastic job in portraying this character. Love it!

3
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

I was practically dancing in my living room when everyone finally figured out how sexy Jung-sun is. Why did it take you guys 8 months to figure that out and unapologetically utilize it? It took me 8 nanoseconds. Now, on to the sous-chefs! They are just adorable. Why do I keep thinking they all could be in a boy band? And Min-Ho, I have a soft spot for him—affable, hapless, but oh-so cute!

4
2
reply

Required fields are marked *

Hehehe! Anyone with Yang Se Jong's face is unapologetically sexy, I'd say. In this case, I believe it was mentioned in an earlier episode that Jung Sun himself kept turning down the opportunity to appear on TV, but then agreed for Hyun Soo's drama (and then again for the cook off).

2
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

Oh yes! I still think they could have done more advertising with his face front and center! A magazine spread is all I would have asked for! 😜

2
reply

Required fields are marked *

Ok, this was fast! and Thank You @lollypip for that. I agree with everything you said.

This people is so mean!!! I was like WHAT?! when the ep didn't opened with the cliffhanger and man I was hoping for some skinship but this couple has so much chemistry that one look can mean as much as holding hands.

I am loving Ohn Jung Sun as we get to know him and this "Because I don’t want to hesitate, I overreact. Because I don’t want to overreact, I suppress myself. That’s the kind of person I am" touched a soft spot for me because it felt like he was talking about me.

He's my fav character because he doesn't take bs from anyone, especially Hong Ah, that scene was awesome, because he lets her know very clear that his only interest in is Hyun Soo, period. He's blunt and honest even to Hyun soo, and when they're talking and he says he's scared oooh maaan!!! He's basically saying just make your mind or let me go.

I also find it very interesting, because it happens, that their professional lives are in opossite moments. He's getting succesfull and she's having a very hard time, but he is always open to support her and be there to pick her up.

I'm gonna be pissed if that missed call leads to something bad. I hope they've learned...

My hopes are that Hong ah doesn't become a clichè second lead making everyone else miserable, and being clingy, the same goes to Jung Woo, I am soo afraid of that proposal scene at Good Soup... The bromance being broken </3

can't wait to watch today's episodes. I'm loooving this show

3
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

It was delightful seeing Jung Sun be so honest with Hong Ah. He didn’t waver from her emotional outburst and he has never sent her mixed signals. What is it going to take for Hong Ah to realize she’s been deluding herself? Mental breakdown? Won Joon is too sweet for her. He’s such a good, steady friend.

I love all the cooking scenes. I used to watch shows on Food Network a lot so it’s nice to see the process again in a kdrama. Yang Se Jong is really selling his role as a chef too.

2
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

@ loveblossom,

I cannot yet see how Hong-ah is going to hit bottom. Maybe her past duplicity will catch up with her. Perhaps wacko Writer Park will turn on her the same way she did Hyun-soo. Or maybe she will steal or plagiarize someone else's work and try to pass it off as her own -- and be exposed publicly. Since she has lorded her family's wealth over Hyun-soo's humble origins, perhaps her father will go broke. That would be mighty mortifying for Hong-ah.

0
reply

Required fields are marked *

I just gotta say - this show has some great slice-of-life potential, but jeeeeezus are those second leads annoying, especially Hong-ah.
I have never in my life met the type of people commonly depicted in second leads. Never in my life have I met a woman that would destroy a long friendship over a guy, especially one that didn't even like her!! And never have a met a woman that would stay friends with such an annoying-ass, entitled priss. It's such a banal, trite, and unrealistic portrayal of female friendship, and women in general. I can't tell if these writers are just dudes that have never seen a woman, or they're women that think this is what audiences enjoy watching??!!

It's even more aggravating that the second woman in these shows is always written as the spiteful, bitchy one. The second lead man is never that obnoxious or obsessive outright (give it several episodes). It's so frustrating seeing the subtle sexism in the way characters are depicted that I'm just not interested in this drama anymore.

Have writers not learned anything from Descendants of the Sun, Goblin, or even High Society (which this writer wrote)!! Two separate couples = x2 the loveliness + x2 PPL when they go on dates.

This rant was inspired by a thoughtful thread in the past recap.

on a side note: Why does Jo Boa keep choosing these bitchy characters?? I like her as an actress, but I hate the roles she picks. I mean, maybe it's a testament to her acting, but I just hate hate HATE her characters. Where is the Jo Boa of Shut Up Flower Boy Band or Idle Mermaid!!

3
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

When Hyunsoo said that she feels like she's fighting with Hongah over a man, I thought, FINALLY, Jungsun is going to reveal that it was Hongah who spread the rumor about the successful boyfriend. I mean, I love where he took it instead--confronting Hyunsoo's ambivalence, telling her he's scared to trust her--but exposing Hongah's lie will help Hyunsoo feel less guilty.

And then I'd like to see Hyunsoo tell off Hongah in the same way she did her writer boss.

1
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

One of the French songs in episode 7/8 set off my alarm bells. Through the kindness of Beanie @nami1116, who identified the French music in those episodes, I was able to track down the lyrics to several of them. (See my fan wall) “The Black Eagle” by Barbara was a disquieting number after I read up on it. I had an interesting discussion of its subtext with Beanie DelSatu here:

http://www.dramabeans.com/2017/10/premiere-watch-20th-century-witchs-courtroom-this-life-is-my-first-mad-dog-revenge-club-go-back-spouses-package-black-revolutionary-love/#comment-3103320

The opening scene with Crazy MaMa corroborates the icky sensation I've been experiencing in response to her invasiveness and disregard for Jung-sun's boundaries and personal space. He comes right out and calls her behavior “gross” to her face. When she no longer has his father to look to as a man she can tailor her personality to fit, she pulls that same stunt with her own son. Jung-sun has his head screwed on straight enough to call her on it even at a young age. Yuck! Talk about emotionally incestuous.

Contrast her behavior with the respectfully loving attention and caresses of Hyun-soo's parents.

MaMa's chameleon act must have shaken loose Carly Simon's “The Girl You Think You See” (on my fan wall) from far back in my memory. But MaMa does not mean her act in the sense of being a multifaceted person. It strikes me as a persona she dons, the better to manipulate her significant others.

Hong-ah is very much like MaMa, but more militantly (if ultimately unsuccessfully) manipulative. I understand only too well why Jung-sun calls her on her “emotional violence.” I fully agree that when it comes to wanton disregard for the reality of others' feelings, MaMa, Hong-ah, and Jung-woo are birds of a feather who differ only in the degree of selective deafness towards the object of their obsession.

1
3
reply

Required fields are marked *

As much as I think I’m in tune to the background musical cues, my brain has all but totally ignored the MUZAK in the restaurant. So, if you were to ask me even what language they are singing, I couldn’t tell you. I think it’s because I’ve trained myself to ignore these, because I used to work retail was fed it 24/7. I noticed this when I was watching Goblin: the scenes with Sunny and Reaper in the coffee shop, there was an original OST in the background which I totally missed because I had tuned it out solely due to the fact they were in a coffee shop! I thought I was getting better, until you started posting these French songs, and I’m like, when did that happen? If it’s in the restaurant, then that explains it. Weird brain.

0
1
reply

Required fields are marked *

@Ally,

You and I are the musical analogue of Jack Sprat and his wife. I cannot not notice the background music. You can completely tune it out. LOL!

I sometimes cannot make out the lyrics, which frustrates me no end, especially when I sort of recognize a tune whose name I never knew. I chalk it up to an occupational hazard of radio jocks.

Some of those French songs, BTW, were played quite softly.

1
reply

Required fields are marked *

0
reply

Required fields are marked *

I love this drama!!!
Yang se-jong soooo yummy and kim jae wook still handsome

But i don't know why i keep thingking this drama should be air on cabel .

1
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

The trope I hate the most: when they break a friendship over a girl. And I see it coming. Please, drama, surprise me! Be good to your bromance.
I won't even comment on stereotypical second leads. *sigh*

0
0
reply

Required fields are marked *

The outfit in the first screenshot was screaming "middle aged mom from the 80s!"

0
0
reply

Required fields are marked *