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Yoon Shi-yoon offered historical melodrama Grand Prince

It looks like TV Chosun’s new historical melodrama Grand Prince is on its way to finalizing its three main leads, with an offer currently out to Yoon Shi-yoon (The Best Hit) to join Jin Se-yeon (Flower in Prison) and Joo Sang-wook (Fantastic) in the high-stakes court drama about two royal brothers who fall in love with the same woman and end up in a bloody battle over her.

Every time I read descriptions for this drama, I’m convinced it’s trying to recreate the magic of Seven Day Queen, and my heart rebels, screaming, But it’s too soon! There can’t be another Seven Day Queen! Even the casting seems to support this, with Joo Sang-wook set to play a power-hungry Joseon grand prince who dreams of absolute control over his kingdom and is willing to trade his brother’s life to win his love.

If Yoon Shi-yoon signs on, he’d play a prince, but not the title character—that’s Joo Sang-wook—though I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s the romantic hero, given that Joo Sang-wook’s grand prince doesn’t sound all that cuddly and lovable. Also, casting Yoon Shi-yoon as the second romantic lead in a drama would only cause everyone pain. And you wouldn’t do that to us, would you?

Jin Se-yeon will play the daughter of a powerful official, who is righteous and compassionate and famous for her beauty. She’s a character who tries to keep the world at a distance, but ends up embroiled in a complex royal battle, not only between the men, but also the women of the court who are vying to become queen.

I’m not sure I want Yoon Shi-yoon to sign on, even though I would love to see him in another historical drama (or yunno, any drama), because TV Chosun productions often fly under the radar and have never made big waves in the ratings. On the upside, the series comes from a very solid production team: PD Kim Jung-min of Princess’s Man and Joseon Gunman and writer Jo Hyun-jung of Maids, so maybe they’ll pull out something beautiful and we’ll be happy to give them all our tears.

Grand Prince is being planned for a January 2018 broadcast.

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A few thoughts on ep. 14 (Spoilers!)

-how is it that Ja hyeon recognizes Hwi's hand when he helps her out of the palanquin at the end, when she recognized the fake corpse's as his the previous episode?
-The scenes with Na Gyeom being scolded by her husband, and failing to butter up the other queens are wonderful ~ I just hope more of the court ladies can get in on that comeuppance, because she hasn't been in the palace a full day to already be torturing people illegally
-Why is Ja Hyeon's brother so stupid? Why would he say that she volunteered herself to go into the palace? How does he still not understand how evil Kang is?
-I love Ja Hyeon's mom, as always
-I think Gi Teuk deserves a happy ending. I'm just not sure who to ship him with, because none of the female characters have ever seemed interested in him...
-I love that they finally have an inside man that is working to get evidence on Kang. It took long enough.

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Responding to your points one by one (SPOILERS EP. 14):

- Yeah, I dunno. She didn't look at it carefully enough because she was too shocked? In a way it's good, because if she had noticed it wasn't Hwi she might have betrayed the whole plan XD I was there with minister's son, who looked a bit anxious like he was thinking: "Will she notice? If so, will she be smart and stay quiet?"
- Na Gyeom vs other Queens is delicious.
- Ja Hyeon's brother is immature *sigh* I think he looked down on Roo Si Gae and didn't think it necessary to explain clearly to her. Of course Hwi didn't try to corroborate the info by asking someone else, y'know, like Kkeut Dan.
- Ja Hyeon's mom keeps it real. First she banishes that ungrateful daughter, then stands up to the evil henchmen, and finally determines to march into the palace to rescue said ungrateful daughter. Healer Ahjumma for the win.
- Is Gi Taek a eunuch though? I keep wondering this... His hurt face when Roo Si Gae didn't take his hand made me wonder if we should be shipping them.
- YEAH, like 5 episodes: "Wait a minute, if we are innocent, who organised that bloodbath?" High time!

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So, to summarize the important points:
1. Healer Ahjumma is always the queen regardless of her social class in any drama. If this was set in a different time period, I would vote for her to team up with the other queens for revenge.
2. Minister's son, like his brother(?) who helped Hwi in Jurchen, is a boss with both integrity and determination, which is rare in this drama. Everyone either has integrity and acts helpless, or is unscrupulous and unstoppable.
3. Kkeut Dan should be consulted and included in plans from now. She's the most practical person in this show. Also Ja Hyeon's brother will never deserve her.
4. Gi Taek ~ is he a eunuch? what are the rules for eunuch's in Joseon? Is his happily ever after really just throwing flower petals on Hwi and Ja Hyeon? He is a precious cinnamon roll, and he does the best he can with these situations. And is often the voice of reason to Hwi.

I realize the points I made can just be boiled down to my favorite side characters :P

Oh, one more point not discussed before: why the heck did Hwi act like he believed Ja Hyeon went to his brother willing? And his face when she hugged him at the end did not seem very happy? I mean, she's crying and talking about how she must have died and gone to heaven, and he just looks shocked. Not sure what to make of that.

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@hotcocoagirl April 16, 2018 at 6:47 AM

2. Minister of General Affairs Do Yeon-soo's son is not the brother of Hwi's bodyguard in Manchuria, Lieutenant Kim Kwan. (Lt. Kim Kwan's father was Left State Minister [& former general] Kim Chu aka Big Tiger, grandpa of deposed Seja, who was killed at the wedding.)

4. Based on his uniform, Gi-teuk is a eunuch. Because all the female servants in the Inner Court were property of the king, no other intact males (aside from members of the royal family) were allowed on the premises. I don't know how that applied to physicians or to guards -- whom one would want to be heavily muscled. For that, one needs testosterone.

I agree, Gi-teuk is Hwi's voice of reason, and sometimes has had a better instinct for survival than his boss.

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Hi @hotcocoagirl. Re: No.1. Kim Mi-kyung as Ja-hyun's mother just keeps getting better and better throughout the series. (I love the Healer Ahjumma nickname/handle--right on.)

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Re: Immature Orabeoni, he's not the only one who looks down on Ru Shi-gae. Kkeut-dan is really snotty to her as well. He'll probably keel over in shock when he finds out that she's a princess, and that she's saved his whack-o sister as well as Hwi on more than one occasion.

As for Hwi, he was in shock over the news that Ja-hyun had not been dragged kicking and screaming to the palace. He's figuring that she's in his brother's clutches permanently by now... or maybe fearing that she was going to do something rash. He'd said that back on the island.

Here's another possibility: He might have foreseen the possibility that she'll kill herself rather than submit, and maybe even attempt to take Kang with her. If she kills his brother, how would Hwi feel about it, even if it were in self-defense, or in revenge for his apparent assassination of Hwi? Hwi is so family oriented that this is one scenario that could be a deal-breaker for him.

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@wishfultoki April 16, 2018 at 6:17 AM

I just realized there was another slight indication that there might be attraction between Gi-teuk and Ru Shi-gae: his teasing her by calling her "illiterate." That may even be his pet name for her, which is cuter than the perjorative that even Hwi uses. (Or maybe Hwi relates to her Joseon half and doesn't see her as a barbarian.) Maybe Jurchens don't use pet names, so she's unaware of the significance of receiving it.

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Thanks for your comments, @hotcocoagirl.

Aside from Ja-hyun's being in shock at the news of Hwi's demise, I don't think she could bring herself to look that closely at the corpse's hand. -- Considering how dark it was, I don't think she could have gotten that good a look at his hand in the palanquin, either. On the other hand (har!), she could recognize his ch'i or his touch.

Yeah, I enjoyed seeing Kang chewing Na-gyeom out for overreaching. I really do hope that he dumps her -- with Queen Dowager's blessing because of her attempted murder of Ja-hyun. She thinks she's hot stuff, but she wouldn't have lasted 5 seconds in the Goryeo shark frenzy in MOON LOVERS. Queen NeverShouldaHadKids would have eaten her alive. Before breakfast.

Orabeoni is still probably quaking in his boots at how close they all came to being executed for treason because of his sister's association with Hwi. He's known precisely how evil Kang is ever since he was beaten after the polo match. What he doesn't understand is how Ja-hyun can have so little regard for the rest of her family and their faithful servants.

I can understand why Madam Ahn disowned her daughter, who focuses on Hwi to the heedless exclusion of everyone else. But when the chips were down, Mom came through. I love how she reminded Ja-hyun that taking care of her own man (Dad) trumped her daughter's unreasonable wishful thinking that endangered all of them. Putting it that way got through to Jy-hyun.

Yep, Gi-teuk deserves a happy ending. Ru Shi-gae seemed to snub him when getting off the boat. But when she said that she figured the prince was alive when she didn't see his corpse along with Hwi's, I took it as a back-handed Jurchen compliment about his loyalty and willingness to fight to the death. Also, when Gi-teuk surprised her in the kitchen, I though he would have recognized her. The ensuing fight might actually rate as Jurchen foreplay (not unlike the Klingon variety). Har!

I could see Gi-teuk possibly paired off with Kkeut-dan as they are both servants. On the other hand, that would break up the band. I think he'd be happier with the wild woman.

Here's a radical idea: After Kang's impending fall from grace, get rid of his inexorably ambitious wife and hitch him to a Jurchen princess who won't put up with his crap. She'd be a great sparring partner, and would make him comply with the terms of house arrest or whatever. If she didn't kill him first.

And yes, I agree that it's high time that Hwi's luck changed and he started getting loyal supporters.

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Hi @pakalanapikake. I am current with GRAND PRINCE but sorry I haven't been able to contribute. You and the other beanies here have done a great job.
I laughed out loud when I got to your:
"Also, when Gi-teuk surprised her in the kitchen, I though he would have recognized her. The ensuing fight might actually rate as Jurchen foreplay (not unlike the Klingon variety). Har!". Thanks.
As an aside, right from the beginning the Viki subs glossed (my term) that Jurchen was derogatory. Was it ever explained how so?

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@marcusnyc20 April 17, 2018 at 11:36 AM

* waves at @marcusnyc20 *

Sorry to take so long to get back to you. It took a while to digest and organize the information I compiled. ;-)

Not to worry. Post if and when you can. Even if it's in reply to older comments, as long as you do it by @name, the original poster should see it. (Although sometimes it's difficult to find new comments when too many levels of indentation have built up.)

Glad you liked my crack about Jurchen foreplay. ;-)

I'll post my notes on Jurchens under a nice, wide separate heading.

The short answer is that the Koreans call the Jurchens “barbarians” or “savages.” They don't call them Jurchens. It could be worse. They could call them “animals.”

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Episode 14 Pseudo-Recap & Comments - BEWARE OF SPOILERS & RAMPANT CONJECTURE

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Ja-hyun came through with bells on. Instead of knuckling under and attempting to commit suicide as Kang expected, she nearly succeeded in killing him. If only Kkeut-dan had given her a bigger dose of powdered castor bean. (It contains ricin, a deadly poison. Aside from its medicinal uses, castor powder was used to kill weevils in stored grain.) Her ruthlessness was a long-overdue breath of fresh air.

I couldn't get over the look on Kang's face when she told him she came for revenge as she held her pointy hairpin to his neck. He thought he'd swept her off her feet with the prospect of becoming his queen. How totally delusional. That's what he gets for telling Ja-hyun that he'd tried to rustle Hwi's first love, and that the little court lady died. It never occurred to him that such an admission could sound abhorrent to another person.

But I've got to hand it to Kang: his end-run around both the Queen Dowager and not-yet-queen Na-gyeom took chutzpah. It could have succeeded with a more docile target, but Ja-hyun's gloves are now off. Despite his secret having been revealed by Na-gyeom to his mother, he never gave up. He ordered his minions to shanghai Ja-hyun on her way to the Buddhist nunnery. His persistence would be admirable were he not such a creep.

I enjoyed watching Na-gyeom fume at Kang's bid to replace her. They so deserve each other. It's not clear to me that she's actually been installed as queen as of the end of the episode. Surely we should get to see her lording it over everyone in sight during the ceremony. Or will Kang find a way to ditch her?

All along I've been expecting to hear something about the Ming Emperor's approval/confirmation of King Kang. Sure enough, it was mentioned in this episode. In his youth, Hwi spent time in China, and I expect that, given the high regard in which he was held as a scholar and artist, he has friends in high places. It was stated in this episode that he could have escaped numerous times, but remained in Manchuria until he could bring the rest of the Joseon prisoners with him. I'm willing to bet that Ming spies kept the Emperor informed of Traitorous Uncle's consorting with the Jurchens, and may even have acquired the evidence of his treason. Or maybe they have forged a reasonable facsimile. ;-)

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The scene of Kang on the bridge dropping a white chrysanthemum flower into the pond where Hwi had earlier dropped one for his court lady (LOL at the splashes!) indicated that he was conflicted over his brother's death even as he stated otherwise to his henchman. Later, as he was dancing with the gisaeng at Yo-kyung's gibang, her observation that he doesn't know what he feels was very telling. In some respects, Kang is as much a victim as Hwi -- and maybe even more so. His aggressive bullying as a child concealed his emotional deprivation.

The show's real villain is Traitorous Uncle. He sits like a fat spider pulling the strings in a web of spies, minions, and collaborators. What a tangled web he has woven. He corrupted one young nephew and isolated and intimidated the other. Now that he's succeeded in enthroning Kang and getting himself appointed Prime Minister, his sycophants have suddenly realized that they are now at his mercy just as their dead opponents had been. They're quietly having kittens, and it serves them right. They all signed that pledge of allegiance when Kang framed Hwi, and know he will throw them under the Ox Cart Of Doom without a second thought.

Commander Do, Hwi's would-be assassin, turned out to be his salvation. Thank goodness his late father had told him how Hwi was tasked by the royal family with running interference against Kang. Witnessing the former Jurchen captives' loyalty and devotion to Hwi helped convince him that the latter had been set up. The arrival of Kang's assassins confirmed Hwi's prediction that his brother would try to kill him. It's about time he caught a break.

Later, Do also revealed that he was aware of gisaeng Yo-kyung's role as Kang's minion. She and her henchwoman were disquieted by his line of questioning, and could not ascertain his allegiance. I hope that he's got plenty of loyal colleagues and subordinates embedded throughout the palace and at large. I'm feeling more optimistic that Hwi will succeed in revealing the treachery of Kang and Traitorous Uncle. But where is his deposed nephew?

Ru Shi-gae was pretty good this episode. Her frantic attempts to believe her eyes that Hwi was alive turned the hard-boiled warrior into a blubbering mess. Her statement to Gi-teuk that she didn't think Hwi was dead because she didn't see his corpse anywhere was kind of cute. But I was disappointed when she badmouthed Ja-hyun upon learning from Orabeoni that she had gone to the palace of her own volition when she returned from the place of exile. The swordswoman still has a thing for Hwi. And what's this about her being a Jurchen princess?!

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The one thing that bothered me this episode was Hwi's looking like Billy the Kid when liberating Ja-hyun from Kang's palanquin. It was supposed to be a dramatic revelation when he dropped his mask, but it was clunky. After having been kidnapped, it would have been far kinder to Ja-hyun if her first glimpse of Hwi had been his bare face. She still could have thought she'd died and gone to heaven.

I hope the first thing Hwi and Ja-hyun do is get married at the temple. They have plenty of witnesses and a bona fide Buddhist Friar Laurence. ;-) Or will they hedge their bets (to avoid endangering her family yet again if their efforts fail?) and wait until Kang & Uncle are well and truly vanquished so they can have a bash befitting a daegun and his bride?

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Thank you @pakalanapikake for the recap. It's so much fun to relive the events and your reactions to them. That's why I miss the lack of recaps on dramabeans lately. But anyway, back to the show. A few points:

- Jurchen captives: while I cursed them for their lack of situational awareness earlier in the drama (that led one brave warrior to his death in Manchuria) they showed up at just the right time on the island. This shows that the writer had a plan all along, which is a relief.

- Commander Do: was the guy I was waiting for in this drama. Someone with wits and strength to boot. Gisaengs were all aflustered after he showed up asking questions. YES!

- Roo Si Gae: it was mentioned before that she is a Jurchen princess. Which means a match with Hwi is not that impossible on paper. However, as a mixed-race person I don't expect her to get a happy ending. Someone Korean dramas never let the "barbarian" person with a one-sided crush live.

- Hwi at the end: I think his face was more of shock and relief. It was also the end of the episode where everything goes into slo-mo. Honestly at this point whenever the couple reunites I roll my eyes because all the action freezes. This is not the time to be sentimental people! Her family is in danger, his family and the country is also in danger. Pray, get married in the Buddhist temple like a good Romeo and Juliet, and then jump once more into the breach.

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@wishfultoki,

I groaned when I realized that the Joseon prisoners were going to blow Hwi's cover. I'm wondering if we're ever going to see what went down in Manchuria. Maybe it's not necessary. But somehow I think that Ming will supply intelligence proving the treason by Traitorous Uncle and Kang.

I'd lost track that Ru shi-gae was a Jurchen princess. Maybe that's why she's had her eye on Hwi. I fear that she may end up a red shirt.

LOL at everything stopping when Hwi reunites with Ja-hyun. It's the Joseon equivalent of dawdling in the crosswalk. It makes me bonkers, too. Gi-teuk will have to shoo them away to safety.

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@pakalanapikake It's also possible that Kang and Traitorous Uncle will shoot themselves in the foot by ignoring their promise to the Jurchens, who might have the original letter proving his treason. Or the Ming, as you say. We still have 5 episodes, enough for a trip back to the north.

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@wishfultoki April 17, 2018 at 8:45 AM

You're right! Traitorous and Traitorouser had discussed that they would renege on whatever they'd promised the Jurchens, after first planning to drag their feet. How stupid do they think the barbarians are? Their arrogance will be their downfall.

IIRC, at times in Korea's history, the Chinese Emperor had final veto over who was named Seja (as in the case of Gwanghae). That's why I've been waiting to see if that could be a means of dethroning Kang.

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@pakalanapikake @hotcocoagirl I can't remember which of you said this: that Na Gyeom and Kang are like in a makjang. Well, I realised that all of Na Gyeom's scenes have a sort of waltzy tune that indeed sounds like straight out of a weekend makjang. 🤣

Is it only Thursday? Can't wait for the weekend!

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@wishfultoki, @hotcocoagirl,

LOL! It must have been HCG who noted the makjangness of Na-gyeom's and Kang's relationship. That was a great catch re: the waltz music cue for her scenes. Hmmm. I'll have to pay more attention.

Actually, I find that lilting female vocal number to be ridiculously intrusive. They crank it up full blast When Something Is About To Happen. Another makjang music cue.

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Haha, yes! The music was part of why I said that! It was like switching between two genres when Hwi and JaHyeon’s scenes were next to Kang and NaGyeom, especially in the episode when they were preparing for their wedding (ep 10 I think)

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@marcusnyc20 April 17, 2018 at 11:36 AM

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As an aside, right from the beginning the Viki subs glossed (my term) that Jurchen was derogatory. Was it ever explained how so?

I've been wondering about this, too, so decided to do a bit of research. It makes for interesting reading, and has even given an indication of the time period during which the action takes place.

Re: Orangkae, perjorative Korean term for Jurchens

First off, the word that Hwi, the court ladies, et al., use is not the Korean version of the ethnic identifier Jurchen, but Orangkae, which means “barbarian” or “savage” – hence an uncivilized person. Unlike the royalty and nobility of Korea and Japan for instance, Jurchens could not pass for clean, cultured, hanfu-wearing Confucian scholars capable of reading and writing Chinese literature in Chinese script who paid tribute as lieges to the Son of Heaven (Chinese Empire) and were thus accorded the status of “Little China.” Barbarians / savages inhabited the periphery of the empire. They were considered to be educable / capable of becoming civilized. Even further out on the periphery were two-legged creatures incapable of acting in a civilized manner. They were considered 금수, geumsu “animals, beasts.”

Interestingly, I heard geumsu used in the sense of animal in THE GREAT SEDUCER last week. LOL. ;-)

To determine who's civilized, or the degree to which they are not, see the handy diagram in:

Sojunghwa “Little Sinocentrism”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sojunghwa

The following question elicited interesting discussions, and pointed me to some of the sources I cite in this article.

Did the ancient Chinese consider the Vietnamese and Koreans civilized, because they adopted so much Chinese culture or were they still "barbarians"?
https://www.quora.com/Did-the-ancient-Chinese-consider-the-Vietnamese-and-Koreans-civilized-because-they-adopted-so-much-Chinese-culture-or-were-they-still-barbarians

Per Wikipedia, the term Uriankhai (alternate spellings: Uriyangkhai, Urianhai, Uryangkhai)

...is a Mongolian term applied to several neighboring “forest" ethnic groups... The Uriankhai have been mentioned in medieval Chinese sources since the 10th century... The name "Uriankhai' means "uria" (motto, war motto) and khan (lord) in Mongolian... During the Ming dynasty, the Jurchens were known among the Chinese as "forest people" (using the Jurchen word, Woji), and this connotation later transferred to the Chinese rendering of Uriankhai, Wulianghai... The existence of the Uriankhai was documented by the Koreans, who called them by the borrowed name Orangkae (오랑캐, "savages"), especially in context of their attacks against the Siniticized world in the 14th and 15th centuries.

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Elsewhere I read that Orangkae literally means “reindeer herder.” The Tungusic (Merriam-Webster: “family of Altaic languages spoken in Manchuria and northward”) peoples of eastern Siberia and Northeast Asia were classified as either reindeer Tungus or horse Tungus; see Wikipedia article “Jurchen people” (far below). Alas, I do not have access to the text of the article itself, but the abstract does mention reindeer:

Yeon, Ho-tak: ‘Orangkae’ as an Ethnonym and ‘Orangkae’ as a Jacques Bonhomme
The Sociolinguistic Journal of Korea Vol.25 No.4 pp.61-85
DOI : http://doi.org/10.14353/sjk.2017.25.4.03

http://socioling-journal.com/journal/article.php?code=59208
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오랑캐 – Wiktionary [Orangkae]
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%EC%98%A4%EB%9E%91%EC%BA%90

Etymology
From the same origin as Uriankhai (Mongolian Урианхай (Urianhaj)), used as self-appellation by many tribes of the north.

Noun
오랑캐 • (orangkae)
1. barbarian; uncivilised people
그는 왕명을 받들고 오랑캐를 토벌하러 북으로 갔다.
Geuneun wangmyeong-eul batdeulgo orangkaereul tobeolhareo bugeuro gatda.
He followed the emperor's orders and marched north to subdue the barbarians.

2. 19세기 말에는 서양 오랑캐가 물밀듯이 쳐들어왔다.
19segi mareneun seoyang orangkaega mulmildeusi chyeodeureowatda.
In the end of the 19th century, the Western barbarians invaded [the country] like a flood.

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Who Are You Calling Orangkae?!

Jurchen people
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurchen_people

A rose by any other name...

The initial Khitan form of the name was said to be Lüzhen. The variant Nrjo-tsyin (now Nüzhen, whence English Nurchen) appeared in the 10th century under the Liao dynasty.[4] The Jurchens were also interchangeably known as the Nrjo-drik (now Nüzhi)... <i <Jurchen is an anglicization of Jurčen,[3][6] an attempted reconstruction of this unattested original form of the native name,[7] which has been transcribed into … Khitan small script as Julisen.[5] The ethnonyms Sushen (Old Chinese: */siwk-[d]i[n]-s/) and Jizhen (稷真, Old Chinese: */tsək-ti[n]/)[8] recorded in geographical works like the Classic of Mountains and Seas and the Book of Wei are possibly cognates.[9] It was the source of Fra Mauro's Zorça[6] and Marco Polo's Ciorcia,[10] reflecting the Persian form of their name.[6] Vajda considers that the Jurchens' name probably derives from the Tungusic words for "reindeer people"... ("Horse Tungus" and "Reindeer Tungus" are still the primary divisions among the Tungusic cultures.)[12] … The modern Mongolian form is Jürčid[3] whose medial -r- does not appear in the later Jurchen Jucen[10] or Jušen ... or Manchu Jushen.[10] In Manchu, this word was more often used to describe the serfs[13]—though not slaves[14]—of the free Manchu people,[13] who were themselves mostly the former Jurchens...

At the time of their notice by Chinese historians, the Jurchen inhabited the forests and river valleys of the land which is now divided between China's Heilongjiang Province and Russia's Maritime Province. In earlier records, this area was known as the home of the Sushen (c. 1100 BC), the Yilou (around AD 200), the Wuji (c. 500), and the Mohe or Malgal (c. 700).[15] Under the Qing and within modern scholarship,[c] some sources stress the continuity between these earlier peoples with the Jurchen[17] but this remains conjectural.[18]
The Tungusic Mohe tribes were subjects of the multi-ethnic kingdom of Balhae. The Mohe enjoyed eating pork, practiced pig farming extensively, and were mainly sedentary...
Chinese chroniclers of the Ming dynasty distinguished three different groups of Jurchens: the Wild Jurchens ... of northernmost Manchuria, the Haixi Jurchens ... of modern Heilongjiang Province and the Jianzhou Jurchens of modern Jilin Province. They led a pastoral-agrarian lifestyle, hunting, fishing, and engaging in limited agriculture. In 1388, the Hongwu Emperor dispatched a mission to establish contact with the Odoli, Huligai and T'owen tribes.
The issue of controlling the Jurchens was a point of contention between Joseon Korea and the early Ming.[22]

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The Yongle Emperor (r. 1402–1424) found allies among the various Jurchen tribes against the Mongols. He bestowed titles and surnames to various Jurchen chiefs and expected them to send periodic tribute. One of the Yongle Emperor's consorts was a Jurchen princess...
The Koreans dealt with the Jurchen military through appeals to material benefits and launching punitive expeditions. To appease them the Joseon court handed out titles and degrees, trading with them, and sought to acculturate them by having Korean women marry Jurchens and integrating them into Korean culture. These measures were unsuccessful and fighting continued between the Jurchen and the Koreans.[24][25] This relationship between the Jurchens and Koreans was ended by the Ming which envisioned the Jurchens as a form of protective border to the north.[26] In 1403, Ahacu, chieftain of Huligai, paid tribute to the Yongle Emperor. Soon after that, Mentemu, chieftain of Odoli clan of the Jianzhou Jurchens, defected from paying tribute to Korea, becoming a tributary to China instead. Yi Seong-gye, the first ruler of Joseon, asked the Ming dynasty to send Mentemu back but was refused.[27]...

Jianzhou Jurchens
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jianzhou_Jurchens

... After the fall of the Yuan dynasty in 1368, pockets of Yuan loyalists retreated to the northeast.... in 1387, the Ming began reorganizing the Jurchens in Liaodong to protect the Ming border region from further incursions. Various Jurchen groups had migrated south and three tribes settled themselves around the Tumen River near the modern border of China, Russia, and North Korea. [3]

In 1388, the Hongwu Emperor established contact with three tribes of Ilan Tumen in modern Yilan County near the confluence of the Mudanjiang River and the Songhua River. The Odori, Huligai (Hūrha or Hurka) and Tuowen Jurchens were enlisted
as allies against the Mongols. Jurchens began accepting Ming titles. Ahacu, chief of the Huligai, became commander of the Jianzhou Guard in 1403, named after a Yuan Dynasty political unit in the area.
... They undertook several short-term moves west, battling the Wild Jurchens of the north and the Koreans to their south. Jurchen raids into Korean territory brought about joint Korean-Ming counterattacks in 1467 and 1478 which severely weakened the Jianzhou Jurchens. [My emphasis added.]

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List of Jurchen chieftains
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jurchen_chieftains

Huligai Clan (胡里改) (1403–? )
Ahacu (阿哈出) (Li Sicheng) (李思誠) (†1409–1410)
Šigiyanu 釋加奴 (Li-Hsien-chung/Li Xianzhong) (李顯忠)
Li-Man-chu (Li Manzhu (李滿住) (b. 1407 – †1467)

The Huligai clan was mentioned in the drama as the one with whom Traitorous Uncle was in contact. These are the names to listen for to establish the time line when Hwi was held captive in Manchuria. If the time line follows history, Hwi would likely have been taken captive when Li-Man-chu was chieftain.

Is “Jurchen” Itself a Perjorative Term?

Maybe it depends on whom you ask. Per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurchen_people:

Over a period of 30 years from 1586, Nurhaci, a chieftain of the Jianzhou Jurchens, united the Jurchen tribes, which was later renamed Manchu in 1635 by his son and successor, Hong Taiji...

Our gurun (tribe, state) originally had the names Manju, Hada, Ula, Yehe, and Hoifa. Formerly ignorant persons have frequently called [us] jušen. The term jušen refers to the Sibo and Chaomergen barbarians and has nothing to do with our gurun. Our gurun establishes the name Manju. Its rule will be long and transmitted over many generations. Henceforth persons should call our gurun its original name, Manju, and not use the previous demeaning name.
— Hong Taiji

There you have it, straight from the horse's (reindeer's?) mouth.

Trivia: The Khitans dubbed China “Cathay.”

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Hi @pakalanapikake. All I can say is wow! What a briefing! I feel like I just received a presentation from the State Department or something. Thanks so much.
Language/linguistics is fascinating.
You must have a knack for languages because in other post I think you have mentioned dabbling with Korean and watching programs raw.
I fondly remember the MAD DOG (2017) recaps with German being tossed about. I could relate a bit with that since I learned (using the word "studied" might be a bit much) some German back in the 80's which helped with travel and friends in Germany. (Woo Do-hwan's German accent in MD was pretty good from what I remember.)
So we have 5 episodes of GRAND PRINCE remaining and I just checked and episode 14 had the highest rating so far!
Thanks for coordinating (hosting) the GP discussion here.

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@marcusnyc20, You're most welcome. I trained as a German translator and mostly worked on anthropology. In the process, I developed a knack for recognizing cognates and researching original sources to understand what I was reading.

I think I first encountered the Jurchens and Khitanes while watching THE KING'S FACE, which is set during the Imjin War. The Jurchens and their Manchu descendants also crop up WAR OF THE ARROWS, which I enjoyed immensely.

As for MAD DOG, Woo Do-hwan's German improved as the show went on.

By any chance have you tuned in to GREAT SEDUCER? WDH's girlfriend in that show allegedly lived in Germany with her father, but I couldn't understand her deutsch. I figured she had to be crabbing in German because of the Korean subtitles. LOL.

I'm glad to learn that GRAND PRINCE's ratings are on the rise. Here's hoping Hwi's fortunes do, too. ;-)

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I have not watched GREAT SEDUCER. I was reading recently about the poor ratings etc. Back in March in OT #543 I wrote:

Last year's Mad Dog was the first series I saw Woo Do-hwan in and I thought he was terrific as was the rest of the cast. Highly commended.
His Kim Min-joon was a break out role.
I was somewhat surprised that he chose Great Seducer as his next role. Then again if you are made an offer to be the lead (or co-lead) in a series at that age I guess you take it.
I probably am not in a position to comment since I haven't seen the series (crime/mystery is more my genre) but of course I wish him well.

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Thanks @pakalanapikake for allowing me to use a post to practice DB formatting. Thanks to @mary who posted the tags.
Above is my attempt at blockquotes.
Back to GRAND PRINCE. I am watching episodes 15 and 16 tonight.

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~~Ep 15 Spoilers~~

OMG did anyone see the preview for ep 16??? It seems like Uncle Grand Prince will betray Yang! I didn't expect it but it totally makes sense!

Also I don't know if there was more noble idiocy or crazy Na Gym in episode 15 ~

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Yeah, looking forward to that! I love it when the bad guys start turning against each other. Now there is a vengeful one-eyed gisaeng too! Na Gyum is crazy and deluded, but Kang knows exactly what her game is so she hasn't got a chance. Did you notice the little waltzy tune around minute 33-34? LOL

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@wishfultoki,

I'll have to watch again and listen for the music.

Retribution cannot be rained down on Na-gyeom soon enough. She is vile, vile, vile. A nice bowl of poison, the prerogative of royalty and nobility, is too good for her.

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Let the shark frenzy begin. ;-)

One thing we haven't heard a peep about is Traitorous Uncle's offspring. I'd be very surprised if he didn't have any at all. Maybe his long-range game plan has been to take out his brother's descendants so his own son can take over, assuming he has one.

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Heh, interesting...but would he be allowed to walk around so freely in the palace if he had a wife and kids at home?

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I doubt he’s a loving father ~ if this is the case, it’s likely that he squirreled them away for future use

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I still haven't seen episode 16 but hoping to get to it this weekend. Alas I have to attend to Real Life's pressing needs now. Meanwhile, I wrote a pseudo minicap below on episode 15. :D

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Because I heard somewhere that dear @pakalanapikake has been having eye trouble, in thanks for her amazing Jurchen explanations, and because I am in need of a break, I have written a pseudo-cap of episode 15. Here it is:

Episode 15 GRAND PRINCE pseudocap (beware MAJOR spoilers). PART 1

Hwi and his gang rescue Ja Hyun from Kang’s palanquin. The reunited couple embrace for a loooong while. They relocate indoors to talk. Hwi asks if it is true that she went to the palace to become Kang’s concubine. Ja Hyun grows angry that he doubted her. Back at the palace Kang is furious that Ja Hyun disappeared under their very. He orders his men to keep an eye on Ja Hyun’s family since she is sure to contact them. Oh, and he says to keep the matter hush hush from the Queens.

Back at the temple Hwi and Ja Hyun are not talking. Hwi blames himself for everything. Gi Taek comforts Hwi as usual and Ru Shi Gae sheds a tear as she listens from behind the wall. Ru Shi Gae later finds Ja Hyun in her room. She asks Ja Hyun why she is keeping Hwi at a distance: didn’t she want to be his wife? Ja Hyun explains that she has changed and that she now wants revenge. (HELL YEAH, but is she up for it?) Ru Shi Gae isn’t convinced that Ja Hyun can even take care of herself and calls her baggage (heh). They make an agreement: Ru Shi Gae will teach Ja Hyun martial arts, and in return she wants to learn how to read.

True to her word, Ja Hyun goes down to the river to wash her clothes, looking very cold and frail. Hwi passes by and does the washing for her. She is amazed that he knows how to do such lowly tasks. He explains that he even learned how to build a house in Manchuria. He tells her to leave because the temple is too dangerous, but she retorts that she is not staying for him. She wants revenge against those who made her life miserable when he was away at war and in exile. Hwi looks like he is being stabbed with a million toothpicks. Watching from a distance, Ru Shi Gae tells Gi Taek that she used to hate Ja Hyun, but now seeing them fight hurts her. Gi Taek tells her true love is when you want someone to be happy, but Ru Shi Gae disagrees: she was happy when they were all together in Manchuria (Should we be shipping these two??).

Traitorous Uncle wants Scholar Song to write a letter for the Ming to stabilise Kang’s rule. Scholar Song won’t fall for Uncle’s threats again. Meanwhile Kang caresses the throne and muses that he is not respected or loved. At the Queen’s palace, the Queen warns Na Gyeom to not be greedy about keeping her husband from having concubines or she might lose the King’s favour. Na Gyeom is not interested. Her plan is to produce an heir.

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@wishfultoki,

Thank you so much for forging ahead with GRAND PRINCE recaps! My peepers are getting better after lots of shut-eye. ;-)

Great job! Manseh!

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Hi @pakalanapikake. I hope you have a fast recovery for the isssue with your eyes. Good luck. You have some great back up in GRAND PRINCE world!

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Thanks for your good wishes, @marcusnyc20! I'm on the mend.

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Hi @wishfultoki. Great recaps. Like you say below, that must have been a lot of work. Thanks for pinch hitting.

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You’re welcome. I just wanted to keep @pakalanapikake’s great work going. 🙂

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😊 Thanks for the recap @wishfultoki !!! I haven’t watched ep 16 yet either dua to Real Life, but I was missing having uri wonderful chingu (or should I call you sunbae due to your extensive? 😘) @pakalanapikake !! Get better soon! Hwaiting!

(And no pressure on your pseudo recaps, you may be our ringleader (president? CEO? Boss?) of The Grand Prince, but you have a faithful band of followers!! (I vote WishfulToki as second in command hehe)

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Many thanks for your good wishes, @hotcocoagirl. My peepers are making good progress. And my heart is warmed by the concern of my DB buddies. You guys are the best. ;-)

I had actually written a couple of pieces that I hadn't posted earlier. A little while ago I posted additional comments on eps. 13 & 14. I'm adding a few more observations on Eps. 15 & 16 and will upload soonish.

The only way I could possibly rate as a sunbae is the number of free annual trips around the sun I have enjoyed so far. I consider myself a citizen of the Democratic Republic of DramaBeans. Any of us can instigate a little fun here, within reason. Let's all continue enjoying the impending showdown between uri Dong-gu Daegun and King Kang. Aja aja! ;-)

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Episode 15 GRAND PRINCE. MAJOR Spoilers ahead.
Part 2

Kang calls over gisaeng Cho Yo Kyeong to throw a banquet and intimidate the ministers. The party is held in the scholars’ premises. Scholar Song sits seething in anger at the humiliation. The others tell him to stop being stubborn and just write the letter. Commander Do approaches Scholar Song after the party in the courtyard. In a tense exchange, Commander Do tells Ja Hyun’s father to pretend to go along with Kang and shows him a letter from his daughter to prove she is safe (Could you talk somewhere else? This is making me nervous). Commander Do tells Scholar Song that he should become the envoy to China, and that he is the only one who can block Kang from obtaining the consent of the Ming.

Na Gyeom has her servants kidnap Cho Yo Kyeong. She accuses the gisaeng of wanting to become the King’s concubine and mentions that someone with scars cannot become concubine. Cho says her body is free of any blemish. Na Gyeom smiles and orders her servants to pour liquid mercury into one of the gisaeng’s eyes. Ouch, this hurts.

At the Song residence, Ja Hyun’s parents read the letter. Her mother decides to send Kkeut Dan to look after her. He asks his wife to trust him, and she says she knows anything he does is for their family. They are couple goals.

Scholar Song writes the letter and Kang is overjoyed. Uncle states that before they send the letter, the business of the ex-king should be dealt with. Kang doesn’t want to do anything to a child who gave up his throne peacefully. Uncle grunts in disapproval. Meanwhile Cho Ho Kyeong asks to see the King repeatedly but she fails to meet him. She realises she has been thrown aside after helping Kang to the throne. She is furious. (I really hope she aims her revenge at Na Gyeom heh).

Kkeut-Dan leaves the house right under the guards’ noses (so much for guarding the Song residence closely). She finds Ja Hyun on the ground, in the middle of her wrestling lesson with Ru Shi Gae. Kkeut-Dan thinks Ru Shi Gae is attacking Ja Hyun and screeeams. A catfight between all three girls ensues.

Na Gyeom goes to Kang and they talk. She wants to give him an heir. No, retorts Kang, she wants to bear the son of the King, and Queens are known to prefer their sons over their husbands. What a lovely couple.

Ja Hyun refuses to be bathed by Kkeut-Dan, who discovers that Ja Hyun is covered in bruises. She runs to Hwi and informs him that her mistress was tortured at the palace. She also hands him the letter that Ja Hyun wrote before going to the palace with the intention of killing Kang. He realizes that Ja Hyun had meant to die at the palace. He runs to Ja Hyun and they reconcile tearfully. She tells him she is longer the Ja Hyeon he knew but someone who planned murder. Hwi blames himself (this is becoming a routine). Outside, Kkeut-Dan tells Ru Shi Gae that she has a long line of admirers, including her young master. Ru Shi Gae asks why she is...

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...is not married then. (Where is orabeoni by the way?)

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Methinks Orabeoni is studying for his civil service exams. Since Dad is heading off to Ming with the petition to recognize Kang as the new king, I expect that Orabeoni has been delegated to hold the fort at home with Mom in his absence.

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@wishfultoki,

I was just as nervous as you when Commander Do slipped Ja-hyun's letter to her father within the palace grounds. The walls have ears -- and eyes. I totally agree that Scholar Sung and Madam Ahn make a great team. Mom is on the same page as Dad, and trusts him.

That catfight at the temple was so ridiculous. The only reason why snotty Kkeut-dan wasn't pounded to a pulp is because Hwi has successfully declawed Ru Shi-gae, which will probably get her killed. She came off second-best against the Queen Dowager's chief court lady, too. She can beat the stuffings out of armed male opponents, but wimps out against hair-pulling hussies? Sheesh. I'm glad RSG at least got a good verbal jab in re: the maid's BS about her legions of admirers. Har.

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Episode 15 GRAND PRINCE. MAJOR Spoilers ahead.
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Commander Do visits the now one-eyed gisaeng. She shows him record books of Kang’s conspiracy and asks who he works for. Hwi enters the room. Dun-dun-dun.

At the palace grounds, Kang says wants to go hunting but is afraid the people will think badly of him. He decides to practice shooting instead. He hardly pulls the string when he doubles in pain and his face and hands take on a weird blue color. Poison, cries Uncle. Kang screams in rage and pain.

Hwi and Ja Hyeon study the record books. He calls himself a naive fool for not knowing how wide and extensive Kang’s web of contacts was. (I think we all agree on the naive fool description).

Uncle blames the young king’s followers for the poison attempt. Kang is still reticent to harm his young nephew but Na Gyeom convinces him to send the boy into exile first (hey, Lady Macbeth?). The Queen Mother hears the news and rushes over. She is furious that Kang went against his promise to spare the little prince, who is taken from his crying mother and carried out of the capital in a cart. Hwi and Ja Hyun gaze from a distance. Kang threatens his mother to acknowledge his reign so that the young prince isn’t branded a traitor. Na Gyeom then convinces Kang to dethrone the Queen and keep her quietly in the palace, where she won’t become the focus of a rebellion.

Uncle calls Commander Do over and hands him a vial of poison: You know for whom it's for (Poor little sitting ducky prince!) Uncle’s henchman asks why he entrusted such a task to a stranger. Uncle replies that he wants to be sure Commander Do is on their side. At night, Hwi and his companions put up posters around the city about the usurper to the throne. The showdown between the brothers has finally begun.

P.S.: Recapping is hard work! Hats off to all the db recappers.

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Well done!
Looks like they are following a bit of the history here.

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Thanks! It was fun. I tried not get carried away hehe.

I have no idea about the history - do you know which kings the drama is portraying? I'm ok with being spoiled by history.

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It's King Sejo. Same king from "Princess Man."

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WHAT. *facepalm* This will not end well if they follow history...

Thanks @kiara for the info!

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@wishfultoki, April 25, 2018 at 4:22 PM

Perhaps GRAND PRINCE is presenting an alternate take on what led to historical Grand Prince Anpyeong's treason, with no change to the outcome for him or his nephew. Or maybe it will present a totally alternative version of the history in which the King Sejo analogue is the one who is treated as a usurper.

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@pakalanapikake

I think "Grand Prince" is a pretty clever title instead of being more specific.

Both brothers held the title of Grand Prince and they could change the actual history in favor of the younger Grand Prince if they want to.

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@kiara April 25, 2018 at 5:29 PM

You're absolutely right. With Traitorous Uncle as Grand Prince #1, and Kang and Hwi as #2 and #3, there is great latitude for how the action could unfold. I'm still thinking that the Korean subtitle, DRAWING LOVE, points to Hwi in some way. I guess only time will tell. ;-)

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I've seen the subtitle translated as "Painting Love" so it definitely points to Hwi and Ja Hyun, the artists.

Here's a morbid thought: to paint something you need ink, which is made by crushing the material... this points to tragedy.

Also, Hwi has used his blood before to write a message to his mother. Drawing love... with blood. I think red is the colour used for the subtitle. Again, this points to tragedy.

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@wishfultoki April 26, 2018 at 4:45 AM

I just found your comments on the show's subtitle. You make some dandy observations.

I've seen the subtitle translated as "Painting Love" so it definitely points to Hwi and Ja Hyun, the artists.

Here's a morbid thought: to paint something you need ink, which is made by crushing the material... this points to tragedy.

Also, Hwi has used his blood before to write a message to his mother. Drawing love... with blood. I think red is the colour used for the subtitle. Again, this points to tragedy.

Not only are mineral pigments crushed and finely ground, but plant materials are macerated and squished. When it comes to calligrapher's ink, it is reconstituted by grinding it with water on an inkstone.

What else is ground? Knives are honed (given an edge; sharpened). So are jewels. Polishing is a form of grinding that transforms a dull pebble into a shining gem, just as sustained high temperature and pressure metamorphose a lump of coal into a diamond. Hwi and Ja-hyun have been transformed through their friction with Kang and his minions.

verb "to draw": to sketch a picture; to take water from a well; to cause to come closer; to collect a blood sample; to cause to bleed.

Good catch re: the red ground of the subtitle and its parallel with Hwi's writing his name in blood.

Was the meaning of Hwi's name ever explained? Kang = river, but perhaps other meanings?

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Episode 14: Additional Opinionated Comments - BEWARE OF SPOILERS

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In the episode 14 comments on the Drama Milk recap, I noted that:

+ Kang doesn’t love anyone, especially Na-gyeom — but wants to be loved by his family (except for Hwi?) and Ja-hyun;

+ Hwi loves everybody, especially his kin, Ja-hyun, and comrades Gi-teuk and Ru-Shi-gae;

+ Ja-hyun loves Hwi and her maid Kkeut-dan (although she's repeatedly gotten her in deep kimchi with Madam Ahn), and is indifferent to her family, although she seems to care for her mother.

In reply to @veeee's query as to whom Na-gyeom loves, I concluded that:

+ Na-gyeom does not love Kang. She loves his title, position, and power -- what she can get from him, and what she is accorded by dint of being married to him. I can easily see her being the kind of queen who would poison her husband so her son could take his place, and she could become regent. Lo and behold, that's exactly what Kang later told her to her face.

+ Na-gyeom doesn't love her friends, and probably doesn't care about her Orabeoni beyond what he can do to help Kang acquire power and status to share with her (or not!). Tough noogies if her plotting gets her family exterminated. She wants power and prestige. I'm not even sure if she loves herself as she agreed to marriage with a man who is pretty much indifferent to her.

+ Additionally, gisaeng Yo-kyung loathes Kang but doesn't let on, and tolerates dealing with him only so far as he can do something to change her position and her future. (Be careful what you ask for, you may just get it. It would be wise to specify that it be a better future than what you have experienced to date.) In the past I've thought she might hold a grudge against Hwi for ignoring her advances. But she's also an artist herself. I think she's aware that he respects her artistry if not her other "talents." OTOH, Kang doesn't give a fig about her musical accomplishments.

I have come to realize that in some ways Ja-hyun has as much of a one-track mind as Kang. She has recklessly endangered her relatives, servants, and Hwi numerous times when she has gotten a bee in her bonnet. Her plans were half-baked and fell through. (She didn't put enough poison in Kang's booze. She hesitated when she should have stabbed his neck.) Watching her reminds me of “Spy vs. Spy” in MAD Magazine. Now that the blush is off the rose, Ja-hyun's badassery feels kind of hollow. In a peculiar way, she and Kang engage in a bizarre, perpetual pas de deux. They're both so single-minded. I'm beginning to wonder if drama queen Ja-hyun is in love with being in love. Or might be addicted to excitement.

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Aside: I find myself wishing that Hwi could end up with Ru Shi-gae, who has already protected him for three years. I know, I know, she's one of those illiterate, uncivilized folks. (As if what Kang and Traitorous Uncle are doing is civilized?!) At the very least Hwi would have a Jurchen Early Warning System. (So sue me!)

As further evidence of Ja-hyun's single-minded disregard for others: Consider how many times Kkeut-dan has been raked over the coals by Madam Ahn because Ja-hyun insisted on sneaking out of the house to:

1) shop for pigment – or was that an approved outing?

2) watch the polo ponies. [A triple header!] Besides nearly getting Kkeut-dan sent off to the hiring fair, she landed Orabeoni in deep kimchi with Kang, and not only got him kicked off the first string, but soundly thrashed, too. Plus her presence in the tack room with Hwi was scandalous, particularly in front of Kang and his team mates. Dressed as a servant, she publicly mortified her parents and Orbeoni. So much for filial piety.

3) run around in drag drawing and riding horses and traipsing into a gibang with Hwi (despite his best efforts to stop her).

4) meet with Hwi, only to find out she'd walked smack into being shanghaied onto Kang's Love Boat -- and then jumping into the water before Hwi could bring his craft alongside so she could board it. She's such a drama queen. Hwi had to dive in after her, risking both their lives. And then sitting around in her wet clothes until Kkeut-dan could bring dry ones was another scandalous interlude. (And he's in wet clothes, too.) Great way for everyone to catch pneumonia, dollface.

5) sneak into the army camp to deliver clothing to Hwi, which risked: ruining army morale, causing a scandal for her family, and getting Hwi court martialed or worse. She undermined his reputation, gave Traitorous Uncle and Kang more ammunition to use against Hwi, demonstrated that he cannot control her, revealed to all that the daughter of the Chief Scholar is heedless of both Confucian norms and the consequences of her actions on other people. She caused her parents, her father in particular, to be beholden to Kang for his escorting her home from the expeditionary force. Her blithe ignorance of the dangers of traveling on the road alone at night revealed her to be an idiot. Her utter disregard for Kang and his exhausted men and horses after they journeyed all night was a rude oversight. I was ready to smack her when she tried to eat dinner alone and Kang had to point out to her that they needed to get their stories straight in order for him to prevent a public scandal when they arrived back in the capital.

Yep, the loose cannon is single-mindedly oblivious.

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As Ru Shi Agar said, Ja Hyun is baggage and can’t even take care of herself. She is talking big now about having changed and wanting revenge, but it sounds hollow. Moreover, she wants revenge because HER life was ruined, not because THEY have suffered so much. She is going to be a liability in Hwi’s plans. I hope Commander Do survives this- he is the only smart person there. And Ru Shi Gae. Orabeoni should get himself adopted elsewhere.

I still don’t know what “Drawing Love” is supposed to mean, but Hwi is an artist and Ja Hyun wanted to learn how to draw. Are we to infer that she learns to love from him? So far she’s acted like she is the expert...

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@wishfultoki,

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has become disenchanted with Ja-hyun. I was afraid I was hallucinating or something. But it seems I'm not alone. ;-)

As Ru Shi Agar said, Ja Hyun is baggage and can’t even take care of herself. She is talking big now about having changed and wanting revenge, but it sounds hollow. Moreover, she wants revenge because HER life was ruined, not because THEY have suffered so much.

How right you are about Ja-hyun's status as baggage. And while she is capable of coming up with useful ideas such as impersonating palace staff to gain access to the Kinglet's place of exile, she has little situational awareness (e.g., she practically walked right into the arms of Traitorous Uncle's henchman, and only was able to break free because he was injured and RSG had taught her how to break such a hold). When it was time for Hwi to spirit his nephew to safety, she insisted on wasting precious time arguing with him longwindedly. It was the sageuk equivalent of dawdling in a crosswalk yapping on the phone with you back to the Truck O' Doom bearing down on you. Arg!

And here's the irony: for years before she met Hwi, she didn't want to get married and wanted to go off to a temple. She actually got her wish when Queen Dowager sent her off to a Buddhist nunnery. So what's the problem, aside from Kang's ploy to kidnap her from there? It's what she said she wanted. And she would be free of the prince who doesn't keep his promises.

It just hit me that actions speak louder than words. For all Ja-hyun's earlier protests that she loves Hwi, she doesn't respect him, nor her father, nor authority in general. She doesn't listen to him, and that is her appointed role in Confucian Joseon. (She is nothing like her mother, who supports her husband totally and trusts him implicitly. Her parents have fine teamwork.) As you also noted, Ja-hyun has an axe to grind because of what she perceives to be the wrong SHE has suffered. She is a prima donna, and not a team player with Hwi. Truth to tell, he's got much better teamwork with Gi-teuk, who has served him devotedly since childhood.

In contrast, Shi-gae the Wild Woman DOES listen to Hwi, and follows his (misguided?) orders not to kill. Who would you rather have covering your back in a fight? I'll take a badass half-Jurchen who understands the chain of command any day -- especially after she has already kept two tenderfeet alive in a foreign land for three years. She's probably the one who taught them to hunt, and all her Jurchen survival skills, too. (BTW, did either of them bother to try to learn to speak Manchurian? Probably not, because they could speak Korean with each other. Three years of wasted opportunity to learn to eavesdrop on the enemy. Tsk, tsk.)

ROFLMAO at "Orabeoni should get himself adopted elsewhere." Har!

I'm still keeping an ear to the ground for the significance of the show's Korean subtitle...

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I'm still keeping an ear to the ground for the significance of the show's Korean subtitle. At this point, I'm wondering whether Hwi and Ja-hyun have different definitions of love, or even whether what she professes is love at all. She may have fallen in love with her image of Hwi, but really doesn't understand the man himself nor the limitations of his status. That might actually make her Na-gyeom Lite. She's just less greedy and bloodthirsty than the real deal. Har!

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Hi @pakalanapikake I have yet to see episode 16 so I can't comment on Ja Hyun's actions there, but it's interesting to note that our theories about 'being a baggage' are not so far off.

Maybe we are being too harsh on her. To her credit, she has loved Hwi and Hwi only from day one. She has tried to keep the brothers from fighting over her (by not telling Hwi that Kang was obsessed with her, ok, that's another matter), and she did have the guts to at least attempt to murder Kang.

She is a romantic at a time when women couldn't afford to put their feelings above everything else. I believe that Joseon was restrictive for women in general, but that they did have agency within their roles. Madam Ahn is an example of a strong woman who knows when and how to act. Na Gyeom is crazy but Kang listens to her now.

My problem with Ja Hyun is that sometimes she rejects Confucian norms and sometimes she doesn't. For example, she runs off to battle after Hwi in disguise causing scandal.... but later she is angry at Hwi for not being around to protect her. She wants to learn martial arts but doesn't even try to hang the laundry out to dry.

And Hwi makes this worse by doing the work himself instead of teaching her how and saying 'a lady like you shouldn't be doing this.' I think that is her real tragedy: she is too romantic. She wants to live outside the norms, but when it comes down it and she has to face the music, she can't.

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Regarding my admittedly harsh assessment of Ja-hyun, I was surprised when I enumerated the collateral damage Ja-hyun has wreaked because of her heedlessness, and that's when my sympathy for her went out the window. She means well. (I don't mean that as a compliment.) The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

In my book, it's not such a big deal that she has loved only Hwi from the start. Many other women are and have been monogamously faithful. That's the bare minimum requirement, for Pete's sake. When I see how much trouble she's caused him over and over again, despite her claims of love, that is what sticks in my craw. And he's not her only unintended victim.

Ja-hyun's attempts at keeping the peace by withholding Kang's transgressions from Hwi were ineffectual and only resulted in Hwi's being blindsided by his ruthless hyung. At the very least she could have told Gi-teuk, who would have been more than willing to help her inform his beloved master.

She is a romantic at a time when women couldn't afford to put their feelings above everything else. I believe that Joseon was restrictive for women in general, but that they did have agency within their roles. Madam Ahn is an example of a strong woman who knows when and how to act...
My problem with Ja Hyun is that sometimes she rejects Confucian norms and sometimes she doesn't... She wants to learn martial arts but doesn't even try to hang the laundry out to dry.
And Hwi makes this worse by doing the work himself instead of teaching her how and saying 'a lady like you shouldn't be doing this.' I think that is her real tragedy: she is too romantic. She wants to live outside the norms, but when it comes down it and she has to face the music, she can't.

I totally agree with the points you make, and think you've highlighted some great practical examples of Ja-hyun's cockeyed “romantic” attitudes. She's a high-maintenance hothouse flower, and doesn't even seem to do the practical household chores and economic production that the mistress of the manor in medieval Europe, let along Korea, would have taken pride in doing. I cannot believe that Joseon noblewomen did not have friendly contests for fermenting kimchi, miso, soy sauce, and other foodstuffs, home brewing, sewing, embroidery, and other domestic arts. I bet Madam Ahn makes terrific fermented foods and great home-brew liquors.

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As for Hwi, I have a different take on his washing the clothes and hanging them up to dry. He is a man who could become king. Until he was taken prisoner, an army of servants attended to his every need. Yet he is not too proud to do this necessary work himself. If a potential king of Korea is willing to expertly wash clothes in the river and hang them up to dry so they don't wrinkle, doesn't that imply that Ja-hyun should learn to do it herself, too? He is leading by example. Like Gil-dong in REBEL, he doesn't expect his people to do something he is unwilling to do himself. He demonstrated it once. Now it's up to her to do it herself. If anything, she should be ashamed to be so domestically incompetent.

I do agree with you that Ja-hyun seems to be a hopeless romantic who makes little or no effort to fulfill her Neo-confucian family or social obligations, yet has no trouble enjoying the perquisites of her family's rank and status. In the highly-stratified society of the time, women of the uppermost classes led the most publicly circumscribed lives. Ja-hyun repeatedly skipped the deportment lessons for marriageable young women. I can't help but wonder if she missed out on learning the ins and out of the agency that her rank did afford her.

She probably did not pay any attention to her mother's home economics lessons, either. From what I gather, wives (noble and otherwise) ran the "inner court" of the household, and were responsible for supervision of: provisioning and food preservation, groundskeeping, kitchen gardens, small livestock, stables, haberdashery, providing first aid and home remedies, securing professional medical care, budgeting, living quarters, sanitation, building maintenance, laundry and cleaning, interior decorating and procurement of furnishings, hiring, firing, and supervision of staff, and providing the necessities for observance of family rites and social obligations, in addition to bearing, rearing, educating and marrying off children, all while caring for their husbands' parents. I probably left out a few things such as domestic production of textiles (spinning, weaving, sewing, plaiting of baskets and sandals), sale of surplus goods, gift procurement, entertainment, hospitality, and party planning.

Commoners such as Kkeut-dan, and Ga-ryung in REBEL, on the other hand, had much more freedom to circulate outside the confines of the home (e.g., going to market) than their noble counterparts.

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I doubt that “romantic” is the right term for Ja-hyun's attitude or orientation. She may be a “free spirit.” Or maybe she has an artistic temperament. Actually, I'm pretty certain that we cannot ascribe a modern European mindset such as romanticism to someone living so long ago in Asia. Romanticism developed in the West in the late 1700s and had its heyday between 1800-1850, per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism. Even if we were to consider her as being enamored of romantic love [the literary tradition of courtly love that included the chivalry that arose among the Christian knights and celebrated by the troubadours of 12th Century Western Europe, per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_(love)], it would be an anachronistic concept totally alien to Joseon. I think we have to look elsewhere. As an American woman born in the mid-20th Century, I simply do not know how the people of Joseon thought or felt back then. Perhaps there are clues in Korean and Chinese classical literature and poetry.

Is there a Sino-Korean literature major in the house?

Perhaps Ja-hyun is simply rebelling against the strictures of Neo-confucianism faced by the women of her day.

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@pakalanapikakeTrue, Hwi leads by example. That was a good observation.

I guess the term 'romantic' would be anachronistic and doesn't exactly fit Ja Hyun, but her behaviour doesn't sit within any social conventions of the day, except that of spoiled noblewoman. Marriage was supposed to have calmed her down (somehow) but she never wanted to marry until she met Hwi. She has been called 'crazy', 'loose' and 'ungrateful'. I think we could indeed consider her a rebel, as you say.

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@wishfultoki April 26, 2018 at 9:04 AM

I'd forgotten about these epithets:

Marriage was supposed to have calmed her down (somehow) but she never wanted to marry until she met Hwi. She has been called 'crazy', 'loose' and 'ungrateful'. I think we could indeed consider her a rebel, as you say.

One more possibility presented itself: immature, just like Orabeoni. ;-)

I'm not sure why Chief Scholar Sung's children are both so immature. It sure ain't because Madam Ahn coddles them, from what I can see. Hmmm.

In ep. 16 after rescuing Kinglet, Ja-hyun tells Hwi that, even though she hasn't been fighting the baddies or in captivity with him for 3 years the way Ru Shi-gae and Gi-teuk have been, she feels closer to him now for having helped rescue Cheona. He gives her a look as if she's nuts, and tells her that if she insists on accompanying him on a mission again, it will destroy his heart. She thinks it's cool, and is clueless as to how much additional strain and worry she inflicted on him. The distraction of watching out for her is the kind of thing that could get him or their other colleagues killed during a fight. Whoosh! Right over her head. I think she's idealizing the camaraderie of battle and hardship. He'd like nothing better than to never have to face it again. Only someone who's never been through what Hwi and his band have experienced would say it was a good experience.

I will admit that Ja-hyun's plan for rescuing Kinglet was pretty good. They actually did need to have her on the mission because she thinks fast on her feet, knows some of the palace protocol (unlike the 3 former prisoners), and is a native speaker, unlike RSG, who had to follow her lead.

BTW, I think the mechanism whereby women were supposed to calm down after marriage is the cycle of pregnancy, childbirth, and child-rearing, along with all the household administration and chores. Exhaustion sets in, unless you have lots of servants.

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Thanks to @veeee for continuing to recap GRAND PRINCE over at Drama Milk despite the surfeit of new dramas. ;-)

I agree that that was a significant look that Gi-teuk gave Ru Shi-gae as she sniffled over feeling bad about the falling out between Ja-hyun and Hwi. I'd like to think that they somehow end up together, especially if Hwi manages to avoid the throne. His servants could probably marry with his blessing if he's not king. At the rate this drama is going, however, methinks that RSG is a red shirt (Red Shirt Gae?!) who will take a figurative bullet for Hwi, just as Lieutenant Kim Kwan did in Manchuria.

Kkeut-dan's obnoxiousness towards Ru Shi-gae irritates me no end. I hate how she lords it over Hwi's loyal warrior. The fact that RSG didn't knock the stuffing out of Kkeut-dan when the latter attacked her at the temple can be chalked up to Hwi's 3 years of training her not to kill her opponents. (Which I personally think is a lousy idea. Kang wouldn't hesitate, and neither would Traitorous Uncle, nor their minions. It amounts to catch-and-release of people who WILL kill them if they can.)

I had to laugh at Hwi's Susie Homemaker laundry demonstrations for Ja-hyun. She doesn't even know how to hang clothing to line dry with minimal wrinkles. I bet Gi-teuk taught him the fine points of laundry-fu. ;-)

Here's hoping the deposed Kinglet fares better than his counterpart in FAITH. I have to give Kang points for his riposte to the Dowager Queen: she kicked him out of the palace at a younger age than his nephew, who by now may be all of four. Um, yeah. But you were not sent into solitary confinement caged like a criminal, Kang.

King Kang is looking pretty ragged at times these days. I agree that Traitorous Uncle probably arranged for the poisoned arrow(s) to force him to take action against his nephew. Wouldn't it be convenient if the poison on the arrows were the same substance given by Traitorous Uncle to Commander Do for his little loyalty test?

Here's a happy thought: Would the arrow poisoning be enough to make Na-gyeom try to bump off Traitorous Uncle? Kang is her meal ticket, and until he fathers a son by her, she's in a maddeningly vulnerable position.

Na-gyeom's horrid treatment of gisaeng Cho Yo-kyung sealed her own fate in this episode, not that she hadn't already done enough heinous stuff earlier. And her no-good Orabeoni the Bagman has now gotten into the act by summarily exiling the gisaeng to the boondocks. When Traitorous Uncle goes down, Orabeoni's treason will have ensured that his entire family is exterminated. I hope that includes his richly-deserving sister.

Also apropos of Na-gyeom, she's as headstrong as Ja-hyun when it comes to acting on her own. Neither of the grand princes can control the women in their lives. Har!

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I can't wait to see the rest of that meeting between Commander Do, Yo-kyung, and Hwi. Oh, to be a fly on the wall. By now, I hope that Hwi fully understands how thoroughly helpless the gisaeng was to resist Kang's orders. That includes hyung's heavy-handed attempt to have her seduce him, the losing captain, at the victory dinner following the polo match.

As I have suspected all along, Kang has wisely refrained from having children with Na-gyeom. Without issue, she doesn't have a leg to stand on. If anything happens to Kang, she'll be out on her ear. As a royal consort, she will not be allowed to remarry. Har! Assuming she isn't executed for her role in framing Hwi and brainstorming the massacre at his wedding.

Did anyone else look at that big bowl of mercury (talk about overkill) and wonder where they'd seen a seja's bathwater poisoned with the stuff? I'm looking at you, MOON LOVERS: SCARRED HEART.

This may not be a popular opinion, but here goes: Ja-hyun, in her own way, is as much of an egomaniac as Kang is. She always puts her own wants first, heedless of their implications or impact on others, and has harmed Hwi repeatedly in the process. Impulse control is not one of her virtues, although when it suits her, she is capable of forethought (as in malice aforethought when planning to murder Kang). For the daughter of a high-ranking minister, she is also quite clueless. Her Orabeoni comes across as a jerk, but that's only because he knows which way the political winds blow, which is something she has studiously ignored most of her life. (In this regard, she is like Hwi, but their motivations are different.)

I've been getting increasingly fed up with Ja-hyun. From the beginning, she has placed unrealistic demands and expectations on Hwi. (Remember her insistence on going to the gibang?) She attempted to make him promise not to go to war when, as a prince of the realm, it was his duty to do so. He practically had to draw her a diagram to explain that she has to take a number. The nation's demands trump hers. And then, because of her egocentric, foolhardy behavior, he got called on the carpet in disgrace for having a woman in the expedition camp and could have been court-martialed. She has the nerve to be angry that she didn't hear from him for 3 years when he was held captive. Um, where was he going to find a carrier pigeon, or a messenger in Jurchenland?!

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Ja-hyun is the one who dragged Hwi off to the temple for the promise ceremony in front of the Buddha. She never gave him the opportunity to release her from the relationship owing to the uncertainties of war. It was all very romantic. Under the guise of love, she's run roughshod over him. (I'm beginning to think that she's read too many trashy novels.) Hwi has let her get away with it because he loves her – and because she's too headstrong to control. It makes him look even more weak and ineffectual. Sad to say, Hwi is not cut out to be a king. How could he lead a nation when one person – who professes to love him – doesn't even listen to him?

While jumping to conclusions and accusing Hwi of not trusting her, from the beginning Ja-hyun failed to trust Hwi enough to even once tell him that his brother had been relentlessly pursuing her. She also kept silent that her former friend, now his sister-in-law, has been making her life miserable. (It's a direct parallel to what gisaeng Cho Yo-kyung has endured.) If she had said something earlier, Hwi might have realized that Kang and Traitorous Uncle were really out to get him. She withheld that information from her parents as well. Her father might not have been caught flat-footed had she tipped him off. He could have read the writing on the wall. Her self-righteous anger at her father for denouncing Hwi to save his own family, including her own ungrateful neck, really got my goat. If she had spoken up earlier, they might have been able to sidestep the trap by having a very small private wedding without any outside guests. (Then there's the whole intelligence failure on the part of Queen Dowager and her brother. But that's another issue.)

I just about lost it when Ja-hyun complained that Hwi should have sent her a message from exile when he was planning to fake his death. Hellooo?! What part of assassins does she not understand? Aside from the suddenness of developments, with all of Kang's minions lurking around to intercept it, Hwi wouldn't dare. That would have constituted proof of treason, and gotten him hauled back to the capital to be executed with pomp and circumstance. He actually did send her a letter as soon as he arrived on the island that was delivered after his “death.” Doesn't that count for anything? It's not his fault that it took so long to reach her.

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Good Sunday (4-29-18) morning @pakalanapikake. I am on a GRAND PRINCE catch up before viewing episodes 17 and18. You are probably watching episode 18 raw right now on TV Chosun. ( I tuned in briefly for the opening but left before any spoiler from episode 17 appeared.)
I am enjoying your personality analyses of Hwi and Ja-hyun . Concerning JH your:

(I'm beginning to think that she's read too many trashy novels.)

was my laugh out loud moment of the morning. Thanks.
You and @wishfultoki have done a great job on this series recapping and commenting with great character insights.

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You're welcome, Bong-soo! I'm glad you got a good chuckle out of it.

Yup, I tuned in to TV Chosun. It's a good think you skipped the recap at the beginning of ep. 18.

I'm way behind on ep. 16 comments. The LIVE subtitles from last week came out on Friday, plus the new episodes aired this weekend. SHOULD WE KISS FIRST wrapped up last week, too. (And GREASY MELO with Jang Hyuk and Junho premieres tomorrow.) Ottoke?!

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No wait Greasy melo, premieres next week on May 7.
*Was almost in a shock!*

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@oppafangirl April 29, 2018 at 2:39 PM

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I had a note in my to-watch list that it was supposed to start sometime in May. Good! I need a breather already this week. Glad to know I have a respite. Three finales in the next two weeks with GRAND PRINCE, GREAT SEDUCER, and LIVE. Yikes!

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O/T a bit. It looks like you have a lot on your plate but have you considered watching SUITS. LollyPip's recap of episode 1 is up.
I have seen episode's 1 and 2 (on *sigh* an "alternative" site) and Jang Dong-gun and Park Hyun-sik are terrific (so far). Fortunately I haven't seen the original so the story is all new to me.
GREASY MELO/WOK OF LOVE is an SBS production and is listed as a Coming Soon on Viki. We can only hope. I am a Jang hyuk fan.
(Btw I think WOK OF LOVE sounds better.)

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@marcusnyc20 Bong-soo April 29, 2018 at 4:12 PM

I'm not a big fan of legal dramas, so SUITS hasn't been on my radar. I didn't watch the original, either.

The one legal show I will give a shot is LAWLESS LAWYER because I'm a Lee Joon-gi fangirl and I need a do-over after having to drop CRIMINAL MINDS. (VOICE blew my quota of sociopathic serial killers for the following 5 years.)

WOK OF LOVE does sound a tad better than GREASY MELO, which makes me feel like we're going to need a couple of gallons of detergent. Who the heck thinks up these titles?!

In other culinary news, LET'S EAT 3 is premiering on July 16 -- with yet another leading lady. I can't wait to see Yoon Doo-joon rhapsodizing as he scarfs down photogenic food. What a hoot. He's my favorite chowhound. ;-)

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As I recall, Hwi had said that maybe Ja-hyun had a good reason for going to the palace. He was willing to keep an open mind, while being horrified at the implication that his fiancee was now his brother's concubine. He had no way of knowing that Kang had attempted to subvert royal protocol by summoning her under cover of darkness the very day he ascended the throne. Nor had he any idea that Ja-hyun's preemptive strike with poison and hairpin had succeeded in fending off Kang's attempt to bed her. As far as Hwi knew, the love of his life was now forever out of bounds. In this whole sad fiasco, Gi-teuk is the only (equally helpless) witness who truly knows what Kang is capable of doing to Hwi and his people.

One other item caught my eye. Both Hwi and Ja-hyun have withheld the true nature and extent of their incarceration and wounds from each other. In an effort to spare his fiancee's delicate sensibilities, Hwi downplayed his war wounds. If she ever gets a load of his scars, she'll be shocked. She tried to hide her own torture marks. Because of their nobly-idiotic denial of the true nature of what their opponents have put them through, they have unrealistic expectations of each other. I realize that Joseon and Confucian decorum probably prohibited such a discussion. In the mean time, Ru Shi-gae just does her own first aid and carries on stoically. I'm sure Gi-teuk would have helped her if she asked, but she can take care of herself. Gotta love a low-maintenance Jurchen princess.

It's not clear to me whether Scholar Sung has already set off for Ming with his petition to acknowledge Kang as the new king. I presume that he will be part of the delegation since he is Joseon's leading scholar and the author of the petition. Here's hoping that he wrote a subtly-worded document that raises a red flag and prompts the Ming officials to summon him for a private audience sans the spies Kang will undoubtedly send along.

I'm also banking on Scholar Sung's having friends and acquaintances at court, just as Hwi undoubtedly has. When news of Traitorous Uncle's and Kang's treachery reaches them, it may even be old news. I'll bet that Ming already knows how Hwi was betrayed and imprisoned for three years, and might even have the letter itself to prove it. Some of the Jurchen chieftains may have already defected from collaboration with the Koreans – or are about to in the wake of Kang's coldblooded murder of the Jurchen ambassador to the Korean court.

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When the Jurchen contingent arrived, they weren't referred to as orangkae so I thought they were Chinese, based on their dress. Their hair maybe should have been the giveaway. Plus Kang wouldn't have killed a Ming ambassador if he knew what was good for him. The Jurchen's gloves are now off. I can't wait to see if Hwi ends up having to safely escort the Jurchen diplomats across the border.

Friendly Wager #1: Ru Shi-gae will be called upon to act as translator since Kim Kwan and his father are deceased. This may raise her status. I hope so.

Friendly Wager #2: One of the Jurchen diplomats will recognize her, or even be related to her.

Methinks Kang could be coming unglued because he's being poisoned with mercury by his dear wife. (Or maybe she's being set up to take the fall for it. Har.)

I have to admit that Kkeut-dan used her head in and inspired fashion when she delivered Ja-hyun's letter to Hwi. It enabled him to instantly ascertain her state of mind in the time following his purported death. Her present pissy knee-jerk petulance cannot hide the fact that she's cutting off her nose to spite her face by treating him badly. He already feels bad that he cannot protect her. What the heck does she expect? He hasn't been able to protect himself or his little nephew against Kang and his gang.

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So many new dramas coming out, but Grand Prince is safe. :-) I want to make it to the end and watch all the evil guys get what is coming to them!

I especially love the storyline now that JH and Hwi (but especially Hwi) found a backbone. The ending of the last episode drove me crazy because it was just people doing very stupid things that led to the entire operation getting found out. But that is just a thing that I will try to overlook.

I feel like the Jurchens will out Kang. I am sooooooo waiting for that.

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I was aggravated by ep. 16's apparent ending. I say "apparent" because I really don't know how much anyone saw, or from how far away.

Chief Scholar Sung leaves for Ming, and his family screws up royally. Truth to tell, Kkeut-dan isn't the stealth genius she thinks she is. And Madam Ahn is just too worried about her daughter to rationally assess the risks to Ja-hyun and anyone around her. Orabeoni seems to just be along for the ride.

To me it's 50-50 whether it's the Jurchens or Ming who will out Kang's and Traitorous Uncle's duplicity.

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Ahoy all hands!

JUMONG. KINGDOM OF THE WIND. SHINE OR GO CRAZY. MOON LOVERS. THE KING'S FACE. WAR OF THE ARROWS. If you've watched any of these dramas and films (and a bunch more, such as THE FIRST KING'S FOUR GODS, that I still haven't gotten around to) that deal with neighboring peoples who have inhabited the areas north of the Korean peninsula, you might want to take a good look at the Altaic Wiki.

In the wee hours of the night, my ethnographer's sixth sense woke me up and made me start researching, and I was stunned to find this educational website. Alas, the service will be shutting down, perhaps as early as 7/31/2018. Check it out while you still can. I'll be ransacking it for reference material.

I'm following up on a hunch that emerged last night after watching most of ep. 16 to prepare a pseudo-cap, hopefully before ep. 17 airs on Sat. morning. (I'll be tuning in to last week's LIVE subtitles from Netflix later today, too.)

Altaic Wiki: Korean connection to Manchus
https://altaic-wiki.wikispaces.com/Korean+connection+to+Manchus

A treasure trove! Holy cow! Site closing soon! Back it up for future reference

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Ethnographic Musings

Sorry to take so long with this speculative ethnographic post. It's been marinating in the back of my mind, and was triggered by the scene (in ep. 17?) of Hwi telling Ja-hyun, while washing laundry in the stream, that not only had he learned to do all his own domestic chores, but he and Gi-teuk had even built a house while in captivity. The house-building comment got my attention because it sounded like the kind of skill that in bygone days would have signalled marriageability, along with becoming a competent hunter, warrior, farmer, rider, archer, and doer of “men's work.”

I got thinking back to the first time Ru Shi-gae saw Hwi when he went to the Jurchen settlement to negotiate. She fell for him at first sight, just like the young ladies back home. LOL. When she later brought food to the negotiators' lodgings, he clearly connected with her Joseon parentage, but probably confused her with his interest. He was just looking for common ground, and also wanted to show her the correct way to tie her mother's coat strings. I don't blame her for misinterpreting his interest.

I don't recall when it was stated that RSG was a Jurchen princess. (Was her father the paramount chief of the Huligai, or one of his lieges?) That would have put her on equal footing with Hwi socially, aside from the fact that she was half “barbarian.” Her rescue of the Korean party when hostilities broke out showed quick thinking and maybe even forethought. Had she overheard that treachery was afoot? How is it that she “just happened” to have clothing available for all of them?

Later, after rescuing Hwi from the mass grave he'd been dumped into after collapsing while on burial detail with Gi-teuk, RSG brought him to a clean, if spartan, building where she cared for him until he regained consciousness. I chuckled at the Pocahontas and John Smith parallel. Perhaps as a princess she had freedom of unquestioned movement that Joseon women could only dream of. As he recovered, she moved him away from habitations, and it seems she sparred with him, too. That may have been when he was learning to become self-sufficient. I bet she taught him (and later Gi-teuk) all her Jurchen survival skills.

I got wondering whether Jurchen women were the ones who called the shots in relationships. Perhaps as the ancient Manchurian equivalent of Sadie Hawkins?! Alas, I was able to find only one article on Manchu culture in English (posted on my fan wall), and it only stated that as of 1976, Manchu are monogamous and patrilocal (brides move in with their husband's family). I was kind of hoping that RSG was bagging a Joseon spouse (or two!) and bringing him/them up to speed on survival skills, but such was apparently not the case. However, it could have been different in the past. ;-)

All the while they were captive, it seems that Hwi and Gi-teuk did not bother to learn to speak Manchu, unlike their late colleague, Lieutenant Kim. That leaves the door...

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That leaves the door open for Ru Shi-gae to shine as a translator and interpreter later.

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@pakalanapikake! Have you seen episode 17 yet? I think you asked a while ago the significance of the name HWI. We know it sounds like 'whistle'. So how about 'the one who plays the flute'? :D

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@wishfultoki,

I watched ep. 17 & 18 raw, but haven't seen the subtitles yet.

Right -- I recall that both Ja-hyun and Ru Shi-gae commented on the whistling sound of Hwi's name. Somehow I don't think his royal parents named him "Flutist" -- ROFLMAO!

Maybe he's supposed to charm snakes in the grass?

Wait a second. You might have a point there. V's recap mentioned that the #2 emissary told Hwi that when his people fight, they play a flute. In lieu of a clarion call? Hmmm. Sounds like the Scots putting the fear of God into their opponents with bagpipes. (There's a reason why the Germans in WWI called the kilted pipers "ladies from Hell.")

I really liked how the Manchu emissaries brought Traitorous Uncle's letter with them concealed in the flute. It's almost as good as a file baked into a cake. LOL!

I rephrased the question and asked what the hanja for Hwi's name means.

Bingo! I googled "sino-korean hwi" and look what popped up... This rings a bell from early in the show.

From Sino-Korean 輝 (hwi) meaning "brightness, luster, brilliance"

https://www.behindthename.com/name/hwi01in/submitted

Brightness. Hwi's personality is bright and shining. He always wore lighter clothes than Kang, who dressed in darker tones.

I think I found my answer. ;-)

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You two are killing me with this conversation. I stopped at episode 9. How will I ever be able to watch all these shows?!
#thepainisreal

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@rukia,

My deepest condolences. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool YSY fangirl. ;-)

Which doesn't rule out that I'm mad as a hatter. ;-)

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I love him too. You have good taste!
I'm a little tetched myself...
But really, I need to find a time bending machine now.

(*_*;

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@rukia This is one show that I had on my short list for 2018, so I am determined to watch until the end.... others have been dropped already.
Only watching A Poem A Day and Grand Prince now. My rule is no more than 2 ongoing shows (a rule that has been broken several times, ahem).

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@rukia April 29, 2018 at 3:05 PM

"But really, I need to find a time bending machine now."

Just get yourself moving at the speed of light and time dilation will kick in. That ought to make some time for Kdrama watching. Unless the shows also play slowly at light speed... Hmm.

*goes back to drawing board*

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@pakalanapikake EPISODE 17 WAS AMAZING!!
Sorry, I don't mean to shout but I am so happy. I still have to watch episode 18 but I am really excited now about the finale.

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@wishfultoki,

Eh? What's that you say?

* shakes head, hears brains rolling around, smacks forehead *

Ah, that's better.

And jubilation reverberated throughout the DONG-GU DAEGUN pseudo-cap comments. ;-)

I still haven't seen the subtitles for 17 -- hope to get to them next so I understand the fine points. -- Wait until you see ep. 18.

* raises eyebrows *

I'm feeling more optimistic, but have my customary sense of impending sageuk red-shirt-itis.

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It won't be a sageuk without a death spree of some sorts at the end. The question is: who will be left standing?

I vote for Orabeoni. His hapless crush on Kkeut-Dan is too cute. And he's in permanent danger thanks to his impulsive women-folk.

Also Ru Shi Gae and Gi Taek, 'cause apparently eunuchs can marry, or so a gisaeng told me. I low-key ship them.

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@wishfultoki April 29, 2018 at 3:49 PM

It won't be a sageuk without a death spree of some sorts at the end. The question is: who will be left standing?

Like you, I suspect that Orabeoni will survive. Mom will have locked him in the store room.

Methinks Gi-teuk will survive as he has been detailed to protect Kinglet, but Ru Shi-gae = Red Shirt Gae. She has been so taken for granted I cannot stand it.

Kinglet will survive and be restored to the throne.

All the ministers who signed the pledge of loyalty to Traitorous Uncle (remember that?) will be in for a rude awakening.

I'm bracing myself for a possible LOOKOUT ending.

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Very nice foretelling! Orabeoni missed the whole shebang because he was cooped up "studying" at Sungkyunkwan... I imagine he is another chronic procrastinator, and wasted his time reading Joseon comics instead of studying.

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@wishfultoki May 14, 2018 at 4:09 AM

Orabeoni was probably reading some of those fine literary products penned by Joo Won's buddies in MY SASSY [JOSEON] GIRL, mark my words. LOL! At least he wasn't acting like the Chief Royal Secretary, #!&Grrr! Or maybe it was Ra-on's ghost-written agony aunt advice to young Joseon gentlemen. Heh heh heh. At least he had enough sense to hide in the ivory tower. I'm beginning to wonder if he's a changeling, as he seems to be totally different from his seriously scholarly father. -- Even so, it was nice to see him bickering with Kkeut-dan like in the old days. After all the upheaval of Kang's reign, it's kind of comforting to be able to count on their dorky arguments. ;-)

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@wishfultoki,

I'm going to post some new information on names that I just researched. Although we don't know the hanja, it's tempting to speculate on the patterns that emerged. ;-)

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There's vigorous discussion of GRAND PRINCE sprinkled throughout the comments on the April 28, 2018 installment of Team Dramabeans: What we’re watching:

http://www.dramabeans.com/2018/04/team-dramabeans-what-were-watching-101/

Enjoy! ;-)

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Gi-teuk and Hwi post a handbill on an outdoor wall. It proclaims that the present occupant of the throne, Yi Kang, has usurped it from the rightful young king, who has been treasonously exiled. It requests the support of the people in helping his blood brother rectify the matter. Elsewhere, their three prisoner buddies post more of the same announcements of chanwi – usurpation of the throne. They all manage to avoid detection. Later, townspeople gather to read it, and Kang blows his stack on the throne when he reads a copy, too.

Ja-hyun attempts to teach Ru Shi-gae how to read. Alas, the first line of the Thousand Character Classic is too abstract for the warrior, who notes that the sky is blue, not black as stated in the four-character phrase Chun Ji Hyeon Hwang: “the sky is dark and the earth is yellow.” Ja-hyun tries again and draws the hanja for person, “in.” Again, an abstraction. RSG tells her she wants to learn the character for Hwi's name, which she saw (when he wrote it in his blood, but Ja-hyun doesn't know about that). Ja-hyun draws it before her rapt gaze. She asks why it's so complicated, and is told that it gets easier with practice.

Aside: The feminine given name HWI-IN is illustrative:

From Sino-Korean 輝 (hwi) meaning "brightness, luster, brilliance" combined with 人 (in) meaning "people; mankind".

https://www.behindthename.com/name/hwi01in/submitted

Hwi, Gi-teuk, and Commander Do discuss Kang's exiling of the former king. Hwi is concerned that he's out to kill the boy and is trying to entrap Do, who tells him that he has to rescue his nephew before assassins are sent to kill him. When they hear a sound outside, Do throws open the door, only to knock RSG and Ja-hyun to the ground. Hwi says that there are no secrets between them and invites them to their planning session. Do says that he won't be going alone to the place of exile. Security will accompany him. They plan to delay the assassins' arrival by having the three former prisoners dig a pit trap to lame the horses. Meanwhile, Hwi & Co. will fetch Kinglet. Hwi says they cannot go head to head against the guards without incurring casualties. Gi-teuk points out that if you look at it that way, there's nothing they can do. They just have to go rescue Kinglet. Ja-hyun asks Do if he can get some court lady uniforms.

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Dressed as guards and court ladies, Hwi, Gi-teuk, Ja-hyun, and Shi-gae depart the mountain temple, with the three former prisoners setting out to booby trap the road to the place of exile. Hwi sends the others ahead, and begs Ja-hyun to stay behind. She refuses, and asks how this is any different from the nunnery where she was to be imprisoned. He tells her it's dangerous, and she retorts that it applies to him, too. “If I tell you not to go, will you listen to me?” Dang. Wag the dog. “You said we'd do it together, but now that it's time, you want me to stay away because it's dangerous. When you said you respected me, was it just words?” [I want to hogtie and gag her. Grrr.] “I am not insisting for no reason. I have a role to play in our efforts to rescue the King.” She completely bulldozes Hwi, who can only shake his head in frustration at being unable to get a word in edgewise. Later, Hwi with Ja-hyun in front of him, and Gi-teuk smiling to himself with Shi-gae holding on from behind, gallop off.

Kang sits down to eat and notices red blotches on his hands. This triggers a major freakout as he fears he's being poisoned. The royal physician opines that it is a food allergy to crab and prescribes a tonic and acupuncture to rebuild his strength. Na-gyeom calms him. The doctor tells him such reactions to foods can be intermittent, and can arise without warning. He says that his sleep has been disturbed and he hasn't been eating well, either. The reaction can occur when one's health is weakened. Kang tells the doc, “If you're lyin', you're dying.” Na-gyeom orders the court lady to instruct the kitchen to never serve crab again.

Breathing heavily, Kang looks down at his red robe, and starts taking it off. His wife asks why. He says he feels itchy. “They poisoned my arrow. Why not my clothes?” He throws the robe at the doctor and tells him to inspect the lining for contaminants. Doc does so, and Kang huffs like a hunted animal.

Kang is turning into a paranoid basket case as he continues to experience rashes (hives). (Did medical knowledge back then really encompass allergies and other derangements of immune response?) At any rate, I can sympathize with him. Out of the blue, I developed an allergy to shrimp after eating it for much of my life. I didn't realize that the itchiness of my mouth was a prelude to anaphylaxis. The royal physician has my sympathy because his patient is one who tends to slash first and ask questions later. The good news is that Kang wasn't poisoned. On the other hand, Kang's skin rashes are driving him bonkers, and have him convinced that someone has been messing with his royal robes. He's turning into a hypochondriac. He may be manifesting psychosomatic illness, too.

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Later, Na-gyeom confers with her Orabeoni and tells him of Kang's frantic gyrations. She says she can understand why he's like this because of the arrow incident, but the severity of his unease is worrisome. He asks if it will get better with time. She replies that the problem is that every day has become hell for the King. He thought that ascending the throne would solve everything, but now he has new worries every day.

Orabeoni tells her she should bear a wonja pronto, which will make him feel better. Na-gyeom flashes back to Ja-hyun's prediction that usurpers will feel their whole lives become uneasy. “There will never be a relaxing day. You won't be able to sleep at night. You will be suspicious about every morsel of food. Silk clothing will cut into you, and the royal bedding will feel like a bed of nails.” Nice curse, Ja-hyun. Gotta love your power of suggestion. Orabeoni asks if she has been having a hard time as well. She asks in turn if he misses the bad old days when he had no title. He shakes his head “no.” She says she doesn't like it, either. But it's better to cry in luxury in the palace than to smile in a thatched hovel.

At an oxbow bend in a river, in the lee of a ridge, an isolated house is guarded by two soldiers. Inside, Kinglet lies on the bare floor of a sparsely-furnished room. A single tear falls from his eye as he traces figures on the floor and calls for his mother.

The trio camouflage the pit trap in the roadway, then hide behind a tree at the sound of approaching horses. Traitorous Uncle's henchman is in the lead. His horse stumbles into the concealed pit and pitches him off, then draws up with blood on its left rear lower leg. The rider rolls safely onto his feet, sees the injury, and brutally throws one of the other horsemen off his mount and climbs up. He tells him to find another horse and meet them at the place of exile. The stalling tactic was a bust.

Hwi & Co. arrive at the place of exile. When the two sentries challenge them, Ja-hyun says that Debi Mama is concerned for her son, and has sent food and drink (the good stuff the King sips) from the palace for the guards to keep their strength up. Everyone smiles sheepishly while encouraging them to have a good meal. As they eat, Hwi and Ja-hyun enter Kinglet's room, where he's asleep on the floor. Hwi hunkers down and softly calls “Jeonha” until the boy opens his big brown eyes. He looks a lot like his uncle, which makes for cuteness overload. When he asks if Uncle will take him to his mother, a teary Hwi nods “yes,” and the lad leaps into his arms and hangs onto his neck.

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When they exit, the two sentries are out cold. Must have had a couple of Mickey Finns. Just as the party hustles past the fence, the assassins ride up. The two groups eye each other. Gi-teuk looks at Hwi and tells him to leave. He and Ru Shi-gae will take on the assassins, and he informs them that they'll be taking the King. Henchman says, “Absolutely not,” and demands to know which group they belong to. Commander Do demands that they release the King. Henchman recognizes Hwi, who runs off with the boy and Ja-hyun. Shi-gae and Gi-teuk go on the offensive. Just then the trio joins the fray. Do tells henchman that he'll go after Hwi and Kinglet. Shortly thereafter henchman takes off after Do. Gi-teuk grabs a horse and rides off.

Hwi and Ja-hyun hot-foot it with Kinglet until Do catches up with them. He tells Hwi he will divert the pursuers in another direction, and once they vanquish the assassins, they'll follow right behind them. Just then henchman calls out to them to halt. He puts two and two together that Do tried to delay them, and also had a hand in Hwi's escape from the island. The two swordsmen engage while Hwi and Ja-hyun run off with Kinglet.

Gi-teuk shows up on horseback, and entreats Hwi to take Kinglet and escape. He will watch out for the lady. Hwi wants to take her with them, but an argument between the three adults ensues that it will be too much weight for the horse to outrun single riders. Hwi is torn. Ja-hyun blathers on and on and says that she's had a role to play up until now, but now she'll only be a hindrance. His task is to get the king to safety. Commander Do will be with them, and they'll meet them in the capital. This is precisely why Hwi wanted you to stay back at the ranch, madam. You're driving him crazy with worry. Kinglet calls to Uncle, and Hwi manages to tear himself away after entrusting her safety to Gi-teuk.

Everyone else is still fighting. Commander Do slugs it out with henchman, and finally slashes his left arm. Just then Ja-hyun runs up, and henchman takes her prisoner, his blade at her throat. Gi-teuk races up and draws his sword as henchman tells them not to follow. Ja-hyun notices he's bleeding, and recalls RSG's move to break the kind of hold he's using on her. She's shocked when it works, and escapes his grasp. Henchman makes his own escape, but Do chases after him. Gi-teuk escorts her back to the melee, where RSG has finished beating the snot out of the opposition. It would have been over a long time ago if she'd been free to kill the bums. Ho-chi has gotten his arm sliced. They tie up the assassins and lock them in the house of exile. But with that flimsy front door, do you really expect me to believe that that many assassins couldn't get together and bust it down? Jinjja?!

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Next day at the palace, Kang thanks Chief Scholar Sung for deciding deliver the petition to Ming. The minister tells him he has a request: that he would like his daughter released from the nunnery. Kang says that if he does the nation this honor, he can name his reward. “You could have even greater fortune visited upon your household.” Kang just never gives up.

When Orabeoni reports to Na-gyeom that Chief Scholar Sung is the King's Envoy to Ming, she is alarmed. She calls him a traitor who caused turmoil in the King's life. Man, is she ever delusional. Bro tells her that Minister Sung is the best qualified scholar in the land for the job. And no one else is willing to do the hard work. “If his power increases, would he leave his daughter at the Jeongubwon Temple? He should have had her commit suicide for the family honor.” Ya know, Na-gyeom, you are so darned cute when you say stuff like that. I can't help but wonder if this is foreshadowing. Methinks you'll have a date with a bowl of poison. She dispatches bro to check up on Ja-hyun at the temple.

Hwi and Kinglet make a pit stop in the woods. Uncle brings a few ripe ultra-early raspberries to Nephew, who pronounces them tasty. “How did you know about this fruit, Uncle?” Hwi replies, “There was a time when I had to live off these berries.” “Why did you eat these? You should eat rice and meat, too.” Uncle smiles at him. “When you get older, Jeonha, you must remember. In this world, there are people who must eat fruits in the mountains because they have no rice or meat. A king must take care of those people first.” Kinglet nods sagely, then breaks into the sweetest smile. I'm melting. The tyke is already a noona killer.

Wounded henchman staggers to Traitorous Uncle's house. He stops in front of it, only to hear waiting Commander Do unsheath his sword. They tussle, and Do slashes him. Henchman croaks right in from of his boss's front gate. When Traitorous Uncle comes out to hear Do report, he sees his dead henchman and learns that the King was gone from the place of exile when Do's party arrived, and that the security that he'd sent was actually a spy for the enemy, which blows Unc's mind. How I love it when lying liars who lie reap what they sowed. Gosh, Commander Do, you lie through your teeth so beautifully. You are a true master of psy ops. And Traitorous Uncle has no idea what hit him.

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Back at their hideout, Hwi tucks the pooped-out Kinglet into bed. Hwi steps outside to await his troops' return just as they arrive. He sees blood all over Ja-hyun's blouse and freaks out. She tells him it's not her blood, which isn't a comforting thought because she still got close enough for someone to bleed on her. She nonchalantly tells him not to worry, and I want to smack her. As he's about to hug her, Ru Shi-gae puts up her hand to stop him and tells him, “We're the one's who fought, and we're the ones who got hurt,” indicating herself, Gi-teuk, and the trio. Ho-chi shows his slashed upper right arm. Gi-teuk pitifully reports that his arm hurts. Another reports he cannot see, but changes his tune right before their captain dispenses a classic Three Stooges “pick two, any two” poke in the eye, which cracks everyone up, although RSG is quite subdued. She saved everyone's bacon single-handedly while Gi-teuk was engaged elsewhere.

Ja-hyun pats Kinglet as he snoozes. Hwi enters and hands her a bowl of something, perhaps water. Ja-hyun pontificates. “I think I can understand how Ru Shi-gae feels.” [Um, I doubt it. You revel in abstractions, whereas the Jurchen Warrior Princess is attuned to the world of the senses and feelings, and what can be directly perceived.] Hwi asks, “Ru Shi-gae?” as if hearing her name for the first time. “It can't be compared to being together for three years, but now that I've gone through life and death, joy and sorrow with you, I feel close to you. And it feels as if we are inside each other's hearts.” Hwi gives her a look. “No thanks. I don't want to go through this suffering again. Next time, stay behind like a good girl. If you follow me one more time, my heart will be as good as gone.” She smiles serenely. [I want to deck her.] She wonders if they'll be able to protect his nephew, and Hwi flashes back to his late hyung's request that he protect their family and its blood line. “He asked me not to let anyone die. In order to carry out my Hyung-nim's will, I have made myself a dead man, gone from this world. Everyone thinks I'm dead, don't they?” She says,”The day you return to the world will become a day of victory that shows that Truth and Justice always win.” Hwi replies, “But even if that day comes, I'll be in pain. Because the one who has to be punished is none other than Hyung-nim. Because we are now destined to fight within the family and point swords at our own blood kin. That has now become our destiny.” She wordlessly reaches out and takes his hand. Damn, what a scene.

[Aside: I just realized that Hwi has died three times so far: twice in Jurchenland, once in Joseon. No wonder he tells Ja-hyun he feels like a dead man.]

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In another room, Captain bandages Ho-chi's arm while Gi-teuk and the third member of the trio look on. #3 opines that they're in the wrong hiding place because they are not allowed to eat meat on the premises, even though it would help them recover from their exertions as it is more filling than vegetable matter. Gi-teuk listens wordlessly as the others perk up at the thought of a good meal. Ho-chi seems to have made a miraculous recovery at the prospect of hunting for dinner and eating outside the temple precincts. Gi-teuk asks if they were aware that Kang did that very thing and got blasted by the chief priest. He looks worried about something.

Alone in the women's dorm, Ru Shi-gae attends to her own wounds, then wets her hand and draws the character for Hwi's name on the floor. It seems to make her happy, even as she tries to suppress a painful grimace.

Hwi and Ja-hyun are arrayed on either side of slumbering Kinglet. Hwi rests his hand on the boy's head, and Ja-hyun puts her hand atop his. They silently look at each other across his sleeping form, then reach their hands across his chest and intertwine their fingers. Next morning, they are still holding hands as the sunlight streams in.

In the throne room, Kang asks Chief Royal Secretary Shim Jung if the deposed king could not be caught. He confirms that rebels spirited the boy away from his place of exile. Kang is convinced the rebels are stirring up a fuss. He orders Commander Do of the Dongisa (Royal Investigation Bureau?) to investigate everyone at court without exception to discover who is leading the rebels, and to find Kinglet. If he fails, he'll lose his post. Aha! This is the order Do needed so he can dig up the dirt on Traitorous Uncle, who looks slightly askance, as does Kang's brother-in-law.

Chief Royal Secretary presents Kang with a scroll from the governor of Hamgyeong Province. It informs the king that the Jurchens want to send a delegation to congratulate him on ascending the throne. Uncle looks spooked, and Kang looks pensive.

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At the mountain temple, Hwi deliberates with Do and Ja-hyun as to who tried to kill Kang. Gi-teuk says that every servant who could have gone against the king has already been killed, and everyone thinks Hwi is dead, too. Do says they didn't make a move, but there is another group trying to kill the king, which can only mean that opposition is building at court. Ja-hyun says to look at it another way. In order to frame Hwi, Kang turned their wedding into a blood bath and even got himself hurt. Someone was close enough to get to Kang's bow and arrow, but did not poison his food. His skin was affected, but his life was not endangered. Who would stand to benefit? Hwi replies that Kinglet was dethroned and exiled. Commander Do says that Grand Prince Yang-an then ordered the assassination as if he expected it. Gi-teuk concurs that it was Grand Prince Yang-an, who dragged Hwi to the north and got him captured. Hwi asks, “Did Hyung-nim order it, or was uncle acting on his own?” Do replies that he doesn't think Kang ordered it. The horror that Kang senses is real. None of the people around Kang are safe. They are all paranoid thinking that someone is out to get them.

Hwi concludes they should attack Traitorous Uncle. He relates how his mother had told him how his brother's wife and concubines could not bring a pregnancy to term. The queen was sent to her family home when she was pregnant. Gi-teuk asks, “How should we attack Grand Prince Yang-an?” Hwi answers that they have to let Kang know that uncle is the culprit. Court Lady Hong, the royal physician and nurses, and every officer and minister who is close to Uncle. Investigate all of them. Do answers, “If Grand Prince Yang-an is the culprit, how will the King react?” Hwi answers, “He won't take it lying down. This time Uncle went too far.”

Kkeut-dan leaves the Sung residence. A “street vendor” alias Kang's henchman tails her to the mountain temple. She doesn't see him hiding behind a tree. Pfft. Her sneak-fu is no good.

Commander Do of the Royal Investigation Agency stops Court Lady Hong on the palace grounds and asks that she come with him for questioning. The royal physician is likewise escorted away. Three more maids (nurses?) are hauled in.

As Kang is being dressed in his red robes he suddenly feels his arms itching. He pulls up his sleeves, and sees red blotches. Throwing the robe on the floor, he shudders. His clothing issues are becoming reminiscent of Prince Sado's wardrobe hangups.

Traitorous Uncle and Chief Royal Secretary enter the palace courtyard. The secretary complains that there won't be anyone left to work in the palace at the rate things are going. The royal kitchen staff feels as if they're taking their lives in their hands every time they serve a meal. Now the infirmary is under suspicion.

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In his quarters, Kang brandishes a sword at the throat of a royal tailor and asks him why his clothes make him itch. The poor man says that he's using exactly the same fabric for Kang's robes as for the previous kings'. Next Kang threatens the four maids who brought the clothing over and asks if they put something on it. They all cringe in denial. The royal physician speaks up and again tells Kang the reason for his hives: malnourishment from stress. It sounds as if he hasn't been taking his tonic.

Kang picks up his red robe with the tip of his sword, and orders the royal tailor to put it on (a criminal offense) and prove that it is safe. The tailor protests, and just then a eunuch announces Uncle and the Chief Royal Secretary. Kang greets his uncle and reports that there's been another attempt on his life today. His clothes were poisoned. Uncle dismisses everyone, and he and the secretary hustle them out. Kang protests that they have to get the confessions. Uncle looks chastened. Outside, Commander Do approaches as the Chief Royal Secretary heads away from the verandah and asks what is going on. Do replies that they found the culprit who caused His Majesty's illness.

Uncle kneels down and tells Kang that he is suspicious of a traitor who does not exist. “A traitor who does not exist? You saw those attempts on my life.” Uncle replies, “You are suffering from a mental illness. I caused it.” Commander Do enters and informs Kang that Uncle is the traitor. The Captain of the Palace Guard corroborates it, and says the royal physician and a guard have confessed. “The guard contaminated the arrow and the doctor falsely claimed that it was poisonous.”

“Then it wasn't poison?” Kang asks. Do answers, “Your face was affected because of poison, but it was not put on to harm you.” Uncle states, “I needed an excuse to dethrone the king.” Chief Royal Secretary is furious. “To depose the innocent former king, you risked harming the King's body?!” Do says, “Misguided loyalty can be treason, Jeonha. I will take him to the investigation agency.

Sighing, Kang asks why Uncle did it. Uncle finally looks at him and says it was for him. “The reason I got rid of the former king is to cement your position on the throne, and to secure your position among the royal line.” Kang shouts that he is capable of having been a good king. He could have brought good fortune to the land. But Uncle doubted him, just as his mother always has. When Uncle says he wanted to make Kang's path easier, the King accuses him of turning him into a puppet. He spins around and slashes at his neck, stopping just in the nick of time. He throws the sword on the floor. “What happened today did not happen.”

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Commander Do protests that even though it was not poison, it was still an act of treason.

Kang hollers that if news of this leaks out, he will behead everyone present. He relieves Uncle as Prime Minister, and places him under house arrest. Uncle prostrates himself. After he staggers to his feet, Do grabs his arm to escort him, but Kang orders the Captain of the Royal Guard to take him home. Outside his residence, Uncle tells the Captain of the Royal Guard to watch out for Do Jung-kook. He says he has no proof, but he knows that Do is up to something.

Outside the palace's main gate, the Captain of the Royal Guard meets Kang's spy who has been watching Scholar Sung's residence. He reports that Ja-hyun's maid often goes to a temple by herself, and transports bags back and forth. The guard captain asks for the location.

The Jurchen delegation of six emissaries, escorted by Chief Royal Secretary, enter the palace grounds bearing gifts. Kang receives them in the throne room and thanks them for coming such a long distance. The leader addresses him in Korean, and Kang compliments him on his fluency. He states that their chieftain sent them with gifts to congratulate him on ascending the throne. “There is something our leader is waiting for. We would like you to fulfill the promise you made before you ascended the throne. And fulfill the protocol as a sister state to our tribe.” Chief Royal Secretary and Captain of the Palace Guard look confused. “Doing so will ensure a long-lasting friendship between us. We look forward to it.”

Kang does not look amused. “Keep our promise? Did you come to threaten the king of Joseon?”

“What do you mean 'threaten'? We are merely asking you to keep your promise. When was it that you rose to the throne with our help? Are you pretending to not remember now?”

Kang grabs the Captain of the Palace Guard's sword, walks over to the delegation, and slashes their leader in cold blood. He threatens the second-in-command with a sword to the throat. “Deliver this message to your tribal leader. Since he dared keep one of our princes hostage for three years, it makes sense to punish them, but we've not taken revenge because a child king was at the helm. Now that I'm on the throne, I am prepared to show our strength. So if he doesn't observe etiquette, I'll visit him along with a large army.”

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At the Sung residence, Kkeut-dan futilely attempts to stop Madam Ahn from going to the mountain temple to see Ja-hyun. Mom has been fooled into complacency. She insists on going to pretend to pray so she can see her daughter. Orabeoni says he'll escort them. Elsewhere, a detachment of swordsmen led by the Captain of the Palace Guard heads for the mountain temple, but the Sung trio arrive first. Mom forges ahead. Now we know from whom Ja-hyun gets her stubborn determination. Soon the guard contingent arrives. The chief tells them to wait at the gate while he follows the Sungs.

Hwi and Gi-teuk watch as Ru Shi-gae gives Ja-hyun a lesson in self-defense. Hwi rushes over when the pupil complains that it hurts, and tells RSG to not be so rough. The hapa-Jurchen asks him when he's seen real attackers acting as if it were a rehearsal. As Hwi brushes the dirt off her, Mom's party arrives and sees Ja-hyun. She calls to her. Hwi freezes when he hears her voice, and keeps his back turned. He starts to walk away, and Gi-teuk accompanies him. The Captain of the Royal Guard sees the reunion, and pops back around the corner of a building down the hillside. Then he spots Hwi? Orabeoni seems to recognize someone, too. Shi-gae?

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Hi @pakalanapikake. Excellent recaps. I am trying to get caught up and ready for the final 2 episodes of GP.

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You're welcome, @marcusnyc20 Bong-soo!

I was hoping to get ep. 18 recapped by now, but could not. I'll try to get to it later.

I live-watched this morning, and let's just say that the best-laid plans, &c. We're not getting off easy, and neither are the characters. ;-)

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As always, hurray for @veeee's recap of episode 17 over at Drama Milk. ;-)

Hwi & Co. have been playing catch-up, and the tide has finally turned. What an elegant way to frame Grand Prince Yang-An by replicating what he'd done with Kang earlier. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, isn't it? And did my ears deceive me, or did Hwi actually say it was time to K-I-L-L Kang's minions? No more catch-and-release? Sell my clothes, I'm going to heaven! You can't be a pacifist when dealing with ruthless opponents like Traitorous Uncle and Kang.

Ja-hyun seems to have finally settled down and started using her bean. I was impressed with her presence of mind and guts when Kang was headed to the mountain temple and she chose to run interference so that Hwi and his men could abscond with Kinglet. She screwed her courage to the sticking place and bluffed to beat the band. I like how ruthlessly defensive she's become in her negotiation with Kang. He totally bought it because he knows how jealous and nasty his wife is. Na-gyeom's days are numbered. It's great how the formerly helpless Ja-hyun has enlisted Kang to defend her against her nemesis. Plus she's exacting payback on gisaeng Yo-kyung's behalf. Brilliant!

As for Na-gyeom, her lie to the other queens that she is pregnant is such BS. Wait until Kang hears it through the grapevine. I'll bet he hasn't slept with her more than a couple of times since their wedding night. I can't wait until he formally sends her away, preferably to a place where she'll be Turtle-Waxing her pate for the rest of her life – if she isn't actually awarded her very own bowl of poison. The only thing that could possibly make the pending retribution any sweeter would be the revelation that Yo-kyung has been hiding a bastard princeling from Kang who is older than Kinglet. Har! I can dream, can't I?!

Let's hear it for the Huligai envoys! The letter really does exist after all. And it was cleverly camouflaged!

To recap in (mostly) chronological order:

Accompanied by her son and Ja-hyun's maid, Kkeut-dan, Madam Ahn barges into the grounds of the mountain temple and spots her daughter dressed in the grey of a Buddhist nun, but still with her head unshaven. Hwi stiffens when he hears Mom's voice, and keeps his back to her. He and Gi-teuk start walking off, while Orabeoni recognizes Ru Shi-gae. Meanwhile, down the hill, Captain Eo of the Palace Guard comes around the corner of a building and spots Ja-hyun's reunion with Mom, but is surprised by a group of monks behind him who demand to know who he is. He seems to have not recognized Hwi and Gi-teuk.

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Orabeoni calls out to the retreating figures and asks if they had helped his sister escape from the other temple. Hwi turns to him, triggering understandable shock in the visitors. Indoors, Mom meets with the couple and tells them that they should just go somewhere safe and live together. He tells her that he definitely wants to marry her daughter, and doesn't want Ja-hyun to spend the rest of her life on the run. Because they love each other, being apart is not an issue. From her, he learned that not even death can separate them.

Because of the difficulties she's endured because of knowing him, Hwi has thought that they maybe should not have met. He thought he should let her go, and has already regretted it once. But saying goodbye was even more difficult. Because of his hardships, he now knows what is truly precious. Anger has helped him think more deeply. A single difficult situation can put everything in perspective. Had he lived the uneventful life of a grand prince, he wouldn't have learned these lessons. That life is precious. How much he loves her. Mom says she just wants them to happily live a life full of laughter together. Ja-hyun tells her she's already happy now. Hwi gazes at her and sighs. It is a beautiful scene.

Orabeoni and Kkeut-dan sit nearby out on the stoop. He grouses that his sister the PITA is still being endangered by hanging around with Hwi, and should have just become Kang's concubine already. The maid shushes him as she asks how he cannot know his sister, who will die without Hwi. She ranks out on him as being oblivious in matters of the heart. He says he's been hurt more than she realizes. If he told her how he feels, could she accept it? The look he gives her... that she returns... as he moves in for a smooch. Rawr. (I'm beginning to wonder if Kkeut-dan will be ennobled for services to Ja-hyun so Orabeoni can marry her.)

Ru Shi-gae comes to her rescue and utterly kills the moment with a snack of scorched rice. Kkeut-dan raves about the delicacy, which the three share, with RSG sitting between them. He looks preciously irked. Amazingly, bro Deuk-sik compliments her improved Korean, but says she still has no sense. Shockingly, neither of them calls RSG, nor the Jurchen envoys, orangkae (!) when he tells her Kang killed them. They both agree that it's bad to kill envoys, even Jurchen ones. I had to pick myself up off the floor. RSG looks concerned but says nothing.

At the Jurchen envoys' residence in Northern Pyunggwan, Kang's brother-in-law, War Minister Yoon, arrives with a detachment of guards, who proceed to fruitlessly ransack the premises. The deputy envoy is outraged, and Na-gyeom's orabeoni threatens to kill him just like his late boss. He orders the soldiers to collect everything that looks like a document.

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Meanwhile, the Queen Dowager chews out Kang for treating officially recognized envoys so badly, even if they are orangkae. Even when a Ming envoy to Goryeo was assassinated, an underling ordered it and the king had plausible deniability. Kang says he was only giving her the revenge she sought when Hwi was missing. He has warned the Jurchens of Joseon's anger. She blows her stack and asks why he's taking revenge now, since Hwi is dead. He replies that the Jurchen think Joseon is merely a brother state, not a superior, and they don't respect him as king. Mom asks if that's why he demoted his uncle. Kang retorts that Uncle Yang-an was impatient and tried to control him. Plus, as a royal relative, he really should not have been Prime Minister, but was only appointed on an emergency basis. Mom yells at him to hold his horses and to not act unilaterally, but rather in collaboration with the rest of the court. Kang tells her that the subjects (i.e., yangban and ministers) want to run the country, but he wants to strengthen the monarchy. She asks if he understands how one person's tyranny can ruin the people and overturn history. She reams him out royally.

As he departs her palace with his tail between his legs, Kang meets his brother-in-law and Captain Eo of the Royal Guard, back from his spy mission at the mountain temple. The former reports that the Huligai envoys appear to have not brought the document. Kang replies that there was never a deal with them anyway. Rumors have to be stopped. When bro-in-law begins to worry about the Jurchens revealing that their envoy was killed, Kang says that's exactly what he wants revealed. If they provoke him, he will have grounds for crushing them. Captain of the Royal Guard gives him a significant look. Kang orders that troops in the north be mobilized and deployed to the Pajeo River. War Minister Yoon leaves.

Captain Eo reports privately that they found Ja-hyun at the mountain temple she used to frequent. Her family was visiting her. Should he move her to another location? It's not a good time to bring her to the palace. Kang asks who took her there, but they don't know yet. Eo has spies there on stakeout. He withdrew without alerting her to his presence lest she escape. Kang says he'll go there to meet with her.

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Commander Do of the Royal Investigation Bureau, accompanied by translator Ru Shi-gae and soldier Lee Hwi, arrive at the Jurchen envoys' residence. Kang's guard at the gate says the Minister of War has already gathered information and left. Do says he has further investigations to make as the guard peers at Hwi and RSG, but admits them. The deputy envoy emphatically tells Hwi the Jurchens will no longer be fooled by Joseon duplicity. War is inevitable. Leave! RSG renders it as a pithy “Get lost!” LOL! I love her terseness. No speaking with prettified diplomatic forked tongue for this girl, no sirree bob!

Hwi asks the envoy what the Jurchens gain by waging war. If you run out of food, you'll swap the soldiers' lives for grain, right? Hwi says in reply to his protest at being mocked that he is giving them a chance, despite the fact that he nearly died in their hands. They sided with Prince Jin-yang, started a war, and almost killed him, yet he's willing to forgive them, and offering to become allies. But he won't make any false promises of territory such as Kang failed to make good on. Joseon will send experts to teach them improved farming techniques for their barren land, and will lift the trade embargo. Through marriage, he will find a way for both nations to live. Commander Do chimes in, and tells the envoy to decide right now whether he wants to return home and be investigated (i.e., tortured?) for a failed mission, or does he want to continue to negotiate here with an opportunity to save his homeland?

RSG puts in her two cents, and tells the envoy that he can trust Hwi. She testifies that he guarded her with his life, even though she's from an enemy clan. (High praise from a Jurchen Warrior Princess(TM)!) She says that if she is allowed to follow the envoy, she will meet her father, presumably Huligai chieftain Li Man-zhu (Li-Man-chu 李滿住), and obtain the documents. Whereupon the envoy silently takes a flute out of a box, and hands it to Hwi, telling him it is a gift he wishes to give before he departs. When Jurchens fight, they play the flute. Father told him to play the flute if Prince Jin-yang breaks his promise.

As soon as the party gets outside, Hwi pulls the flute from his tunic, and slips a document out of it. It is the letter Traitorous Uncle sent to the Huligai that promised to return four counties to them after the Joseon forces withdrew. He shows it to Do, who says that it's proof of Kang's crime, which causes RSG to imperceptibly smile, and Hwi to catch his breath at the implications for his hyung.

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Ja-hyun asks Kang why he hasn't killed her, as from his point of view she has committed treason. He tells her that she's suffering enough now that Hwi is dead. He wants to keep her in this world so she cannot be reunited with Hwi in death and leave him all alone. Even if she hates him. He asks how she escaped from the other temple, and she says that some of Hwi's supporters dropped her off here. Kang calls them the real traitors, but she calls them the saviors of her life. She'd rather be dead than spend one second with you. Kang. (Cue up “Bat out of Hell” by Meatloaf.) Meanwhile, Hwi & Co. race through the woods until he stops and hands Kinglet to Gi-teuk, and tells his band to continue on to Yo-kyung's gibang without him. He'll meet them there later. But now he's heading back to the temple. He enters the grounds, and nearly runs into two guardsmen.

Ja-hyun tells Kang that whether it's this temple or the nunnery, they're all prisons to her. She asks to be allowed to return to her family. He says his mother sent her to the nunnery. She asks if he's still not in control at court. Ooo, burn. He asks if she's forgotten Hwi, and she says it would be a lie if she said she had. But she is very much alive, while he is dead. He asks what she wants. She says it's not to be his concubine, but his queen, which gets his attention. She tells him to dethrone Na-gyeom and give her the position. He says all women want the same thing, and that she's beginning to sound like his wife. Ja-hyun corrects him, and says that she refuses to be trampled again by Na-gyeom. If he can't do that for her, forget it. Otherwise, Na-gyeom will kill her. It's all or nothing.

Kang says he's the king, why isn't she grovelling to him? She says that Hwi staked everything for her. If he doesn't do likewise, he'll never move her heart. He asks if her hatred for his wife has exceeded her hatred for him. She retorts that he's the one who came calling in the middle of the night. He could have sent soldiers to put down the remnant of the rebellion against him, but he came in person because he wanted to see her. His heart might just move her after all. Whether it's love or obsession, it hurts his heart. He should show her his heart, which might even melt her own. Then she might call him “my King” instead of “Grand Prince,” which he points out is a criminal way of addressing the king. She asks him if she's ever been afraid of death. Touché!

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Hwi pops out of the bushes to signal his return to Ru Shi-gae, who's waiting outside with the guard captain. Meanwhile, his men arrive at the gibang with Kinglet, and gisaeng Yo-kyung shows them to a room. She has had no customers since she was blinded, and has dismissed all the servants. Only her hench-gisaeng remains. The trio decide to act like servants, and Ho-chi puts in a request for meat, which exasperates Gi-teuk and the others. Har. That boy has a one-track mind.

Kang escorts Ja-hyun to her home, but she refuses his proffered hand going down a hill, and takes RSG's arm instead. Hwi watches from cover, and looks quietly jealous. Arriving at Chez Sung, he says that the cover story for her having left the nunnery is ill health. He will post a guard as he doesn't want her running off a second time. He sends her inside, and she says she'll wait to hear from him. Once inside the gate, she staggers from the strain, and asks RSG if Hwi is okay. Kang asks his hench-captain if he thinks Ja-hyun is sincere, but the man cannot read her heart. Kang says she used to resemble Hwi, but now she seems to be more like himself, and he's of two minds about it.

Inside, Madam Ahn lays out the bedding for Ja-hyun, and is deeply moved to have her back home. (Dad is still on his mission to Ming.) Ja-hyun tells her mother that she's become stronger and is no longer the shrinking violet she used to be. She is no longer afraid. As Hwi said, as long as there's life, there's hope.

Na-gyeom loiters outside her palace waiting for Kang to show up. He says he went out for some air. She has news for him: she's pregnant after 3 years of marriage. He looks less than thrilled. (I wonder if he's been slipping her the frankincense?) He looks even less thrilled when she says she's carrying a wonja. Later, her lady-in-waiting asks how she could lie to the King like that. How will she deal with it in the future. She says she'll make it come true. Hmm. I wonder how she plans to do that – and with whom?!

Meanwhile, Hwi has been watching the guards at the front gate since Kang's departure, and finally jumps the back wall. Unable to sleep, Ja-hyun has gotten up and is getting dressed when he bursts into her room. He is embarrassed when he realizes she's not yet fully decent, and apologizes and turns away. She scolds him when he admits he didn't take Kinglet to safety himself, and he tells her she's just as precious as his nephew. She replies that if she hadn't been confident, she wouldn't have stayed behind. He asks how she could be sure of Kang's intentions, and then she tweaks him that he was jealous as he trailed them to her house. “I realized I'm only one man among many, and that I'm not as good a person as I used to think.”

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Ja-hyun surprises him when she says she was jealous of Ru Shi-gae, but he protests that he doesn't see her as a woman, but more as a little sister. She was also envious of Eunuch Park, who has known him since they were kids, and the prisoners who went through tough times with him. And his first love, the palace maid. He incredulously asks where she heard that. No she wasn't! Kang completely misinterpreted it. Har! She says that since she met him, she's learned that just as carrying someone in one's heart can be a heavy burden, it can temporarily feel like a blessing as well. The happiness it brings helps make the hellish times bearable.

Ja-hyun admits that she lies, says things she doesn't mean, and acts rashly. (No kidding!) She doubts she is the person she was in the past. Everything has changed, except for her feelings for him. He says he feels likewise. They hug, and he asks if it's okay for her to be home. She says she agreed to be a sick person. He's relieved she's there, but she says she liked it better being with him. She rues that they didn't get to draw or have fun then. His eyes twinkle when he says that they'll be husband and wife when they get together next time. Ja-hyun says she'll fetch some of Orabeoni's duds so he can leave the house looking like a member of the family. Nice threads! To arouse less suspicion, she asks him to send messages via her brother instead of Kkeut-dan, and he says they also have RSG. The guards out front don't bat an eye as he purposefully strides past them.

At the palace, Na-gyeom calls on her mother-in-law, who has heard through the grapevine that she is pregnant. What a BS artist. When the deposed Queen Mother sincerely offers her congratulations, the faker baldly asks the Queen Dowager how much longer she'll have to put up with the presence of the former queen. The old queen reprimands her as she continues to lie through her teeth about not knowing the palace protocol she is to uphold. (Her comeuppance cannot come soon enough. GRRR.)

At the gibang, Hwi shows Traitorous Uncle's letter to the Jurchens to the trio and Gi-teuk. When RSG suggests it be posted where the people can read it, the eunuch pooh-poohs her idea (about using the original), only to have Commander Do agree that the truth of Kang's duplicity should be spread among the people and the ministers. RSG gives her old comrade a little smack. Cute. (Was that a Jurchen love tap?!) Hwi says that even though Uncle has been removed from office, many ministers support him. [Remember the ones who signed that loyalty pledge?? It's about to come back and bite them.] When Kang cools off, his supporters will expect Uncle to be back in action.

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With Chief Scholar Sung still out of the country, they don't have him to combat Traitorous Uncle's influence at court. Hwi says they won't wait for his return. They will take the initiative and neutralize Uncle by driving a wedge between him and Kang. Just as Kang and Uncle overthrew Kinglet by first getting rid of his protectors, Uncle Hwi and Grandpa Minister of the Left, they will use the letter to cut off Kang's legs, Grand Prince Yang-an.

Later two of the trio marvel that they were part of the strategy meeting, and felt like they were being treated seriously for the first time in their lives. Carnivore Ho-chi laments that it went right over his head. Deputy-gisaeng shows up with snacks for His Highness (who could be Hwi or Kinglet), and asks if Eunuch Park is inside, which surprises the other guys. When they ask why, she says he's handsome, and that many gisaengs marry eunuchs. It blows their minds.

Commander Do meets with Captain Eo of the Royal Guard at the palace, and says that they are searching for Prince Seungpyung (Kinglet, aka Myeong), but maybe Traitorous Uncle has him. If he has Prince Seungpyung, he could lead a restoration at any time, and he's not on great terms with the King at the moment. “Doesn't everyone know Grand Prince Yang-an's true intentions?” The guard captain gets riled up, and says he's under house arrest. He's also a father figure to the King. Do asks whether he's truly acting for Kang's welfare, or if he has his own agenda. He calls the guard captain Kang's truly loyal liege, and proceeds to plant the seed of doubt against Uncle in his mind.

Minister of War Yoon calls on gisaeng Yo-kyung at the gibang, and asks if she has considered relocating as he had told her earlier. She says she's closed the premises, and is winding up business in preparation to leave. But she wanted to have a final drink with him before departing. She casually asks if Traitorous Uncle had a child late in life. Even if he cannot do anything in government because he's a grand prince, his little son is raising a ruckus. This is news to Kang's bro-in-law.

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Commander Do later tells War Minister Yoon that the guards at Grand Prince Yang-an's house have seen a small boy about the same age as Prince Seungpyung. He says that Captain Eo of the Palace Guards was so defensive, he has no way of informing the King, so he's telling Yoon. Then he asks Yoon if he would do the honors, implying that it could land him the Prime Minister spot. War Minister asks if Chief Scholar Sung will be demoted [or does he really mean PROmoted??] when he returns from Ming, but Do says that it's really His Excellency who put Kang on the throne. Rather than have the almost-in-law of rebel Hwi as the Prime Minister, one of the Queen's relatives should get the job. In the current state of affairs, if Yoon finds Prince Seungpyung, he'll relieve Kang's worry and do a great deed. Do says he doesn't know what the prince in question looks like, so could Yoon go and take a look? Damn, what a silver-tongued devil. Manseh, Commander Do!

Gisaeng Yo-kyung reports to Hwi, Commander Do, and Gi-teuk that the Minister of War has taken the bait. The latter reports that he was able to find a few children about as old as Prince Seungpyung. Hwi says they have to be protected from harm. Do assures him they will be protected as if they were their own kids. Hwi says they'll get rid of his brother's dogs one by one.

As Traitorous Uncle reads in his study, War Minister Yoon arrives with Commander Do and the trio. Do orders the “soldiers” to search for a young boy and to capture him. Yoon calls out Uncle, who indignantly wants to know what gives. Yoon and Do inform him there have been reports of a young boy on the premises. The trio holler as if they've spotted the child. War Minister follows the voices, and sees Kinglet perched atop a low wall (with Uncle Hwi hiding on the other side). The trio block him until Kinglet jumps into Hwi's arms and unc takes off running. He's out of sight by the time Yoon jumps the wall. Hwi races up to RSG, who has three little boys with her, nods, and takes off with Kinglet. One she holds by the hand while she tells the other two to go, and they scatter. Yoon stops RSG and the boy, but sees he's not Kinglet. The trio chase after the other two, and bring the kids to him. No dice. It's a circus.

Back at Yang-an's home, he accuses Do of driving a wedge between him and Kang. It's delicious when he angrily accuses the investigator of conspiring against him. He replies that he's just doing his job for Joseon. Do goes into the study while the grand prince stays outside. He pulls out the damning letter the Jurchen envoy gave Hwi. War Minister Yoon arrives and demands to know what he was doing with Prince Seungpyung. Do comes out with the letter, and the writer himself nearly has a fit when he sees it.

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War Minister Yoon reports to Kang that Traitorous Uncle had kidnapped Prince Seungpyung, and had gotten the secret letter from the Jurchens that they had been looking for. Kang goes ape when he learns the former king slipped out of their grasp. When Yoon asks what he's going to do about his uncle, Kang says he'll give him the “last farewell,” aka Ye Olde Bowl Of Royal Joseon Poison.

Yang-An is brought before the King. He prostrates himself and argues that he has been framed. He says he's never even seen Prince Seungpyung. He says he's never seen the letter to the Jurchens, either. It is a trap by “them.” Kang demands to know exactly who “they” are, and whether his dead brother is acting from beyond the grave and protecting his nephew. “The monster nephew you raised was no longer heeding your commands, so you needed a new puppet.” Uncle pisses him off by saying he's the one who put Kang on the throne, and does so while speaking informally. Kang agrees that he is King, and he no longer needs Uncle, who suddenly realizes that the jig is up. He calls for guard captain Eo Eul-woon to take him away. Given his transgressions, he cannot let him die in prison [orders capital punishment instead of life imprisonment]. Commander Do and the trio deliver the poison to his house.

As Uncle rages at them, a calm voice speaks up and says that his putting the king on the throne is what led to this day. He looks like he sees a ghost as Hwi speaks: “You planted misdirected ambition in the grand prince who should not have been king. You misled loyal servants, killed a brother and nephew, and made him infamous in history as an evil king. The time has come for you to pay the price, Uncle.” “Eun-sung, are you my grim reaper?” Hwi tells him that Hyung-nim ordered poison.

“Remember this clearly until your last breath. You are dying at the hands of a nephew you raised... I had to die twice. All because of you. But I did not die. I live, and return to punish a criminal. I had to die without knowing why, but I am informing you of your crimes.”

Hwi turns away with tears in his eyes as the commander tells Uncle he can drink the poison bestowed by his nephew. Or he can die by the blade of the son of Do Yeon-soo. Traitorous Uncle opts for the latter.

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Done reading your recaps! Thanks to Toki for this link & thank you for recapping as well ^^

Lol your "In your face, toots" got rofl every time XD

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@fatcat007,

I calls 'em like I sees 'em. ;-)

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Excellent names I must say 😎

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Thanks again for the recaps. I finished your recaps through episode 17.
Today (6May18) I will finish the final 2 episodes. I am looking forward to the final recaps and comments.

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@marcusnyc20 Bong-soo and @fatcat007,

It is my intention to recap the final 3 episodes of GRAND PRINCE. I got started on ep. 18, but decided not to drive myself crazy.

I live-watched GRAND PRINCE's finale this morning and was pleased with its unpredictability. But I'm also reveling in the afterglow of LIVE's excellent finale, too. It may take me a while to come down to earth. It's almost a shock to my system after so many crappy and meh finales in the past 2 years of live-watching. Most of the ringers seem to have been in the past year or so.

Be still my heart. ;-)

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Just finished the final two episodes, and well, it wasn't as epic as I was hoping. Again, I got the feeling that Ja Hyun and Hwi are both living in a rom com while Kang and his wife were in a dark political thriller.

Speaking of the Kang couple, this was the first time in a while that I enjoyed Na Gyeom ~ her tragic reaction to Kang's death was her best acting to date. Though, if I'm honest and petty, I was distracted during Kang's death by his perfect, not period accurate teeth... I was actually disappointed in his death, and the way suddenly everyone wailing cried over him, as though they didn't all have complicated relationships with him. When Ja Hyun wished that he would be loved in his next life, I suddenly pictured a time jump to modern day Seoul, where Kang would have better outlets for his talents and ambitions.

Roo Shi Gae also had a disappointing death, mainly because I disliked the way that Hwi and Ja Hyun were the main focal point. as they talked forever about what they wanted to give Shi Gae (basically they wanted to turn her into a proper Joseon lady, which she never would have been happy as). Gi Tauk was the only one who really cried because he had lost her, just her, that he thought this person was complete and wonderful and didn't want to change her, because she was herself and didn't need to be someone else. (I was never a big fan of RSG, I just liked Gi Tauk a lot).

On Gi Taek's ending, I think we didn't get to see enough of him. What did he do for ten years? Did his coming back mean he was finally over Shi Gae? I wanted him to have a happy ending gosh darn it, he and Roo Shi Gae deserved one more than anyone else in this show!

Queen mother just annoyed me, again. And even the crown prince's mother also grated a bit. The only redeeming mother is Ja Hyun's (lol at her insisting Hwi move in with her family because of the need to be a better daughter, because it's horribly true). I thought it was interesting Na Gyeom finally becoming pregnant, and having the evil court lady admonish her that she had to live for her child. It made me feel like the show had some underlying message about how mothers can live too intensely for their children. But maybe I'm reading too much into it.

I sort of wish we had seen who Ja Hyun's maid had married. And hadn't ended with creating a forced romance between crown prince and Ja Hyun's cousin. And hadn't ended with the forced romance between Hwi and Ja Hyun (oops, did I just rag on the OTP? I think I did, I never do that, what's with this show).

My last thought? The three merchantmen had the best death scenes in this whole show. RIP guys, RIP.

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Hi @hotcocoagirl. Interesting that you wrote:

Speaking of the Kang couple, this was the first time in a while that I enjoyed Na Gyeom ~ her tragic reaction to Kang's death was her best acting to date.

It seems you were not alone. Na-gyeom's scene where she is grieving before the grave of her husband was the highest watched minute of the series. Credit to actress Ryu Hyo-young who had a tough role. You can read about it here from Soompi:
https://www.soompi.com/2018/05/06/grand-prince-concludes-highest-viewership-ratings-yet/

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Wow, thanks for the information! That's interesting that it was so popular across the board ~

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I enjoyed reading those articles yesterday and watching the hug session video. At the end of the video I got a kick out the ajuhmma going up for her hugs. Lovely. YSY looks totally different out of costume.
This reminded me of a promise kept during the run of STRONG WOMAN DO BONG SOON. Park Hyung-sik and Ji Soo
had a hug session and later escorted three high school girls home. It was a nice gesture. Here is the story (Apologies for wandering so far off topic.):
https://www.dramafever.com/news/park-hyung-sik-and-ji-soo-protect-students-on-white-day/

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After the reprise of Traitorous Uncle's demise, Kang on his throne burns the incriminating letter in his name to Huligai chieftain Li Man-zhu. Palace Guard Captain Eo reports on his uncle's death, and Kang tells him to give him a royal burial. He looks sad as he says that Uncle was like a father to him his whole life. His loyal henchman asks how Kang is doing, and he replies that he was his single, solitary family member. He knew all along that Uncle was using him to get revenge for having been deprived of the throne himself, but he was the only one upon whom Kang could rely. Captain Eo says he can't believe that Uncle had a traitorous mind.

Kang says to his henchman that he himself had traitorous thoughts towards his own elder brother, deposed his nephew, killed his younger brother. Who could he trust? How is he different from his uncle? Captain Eo asks if he wants to drink. He replies that he misses “that person” (Ja-hyun). When Eo says he'll fetch her, Kang tells him not to, that the time is not yet right. She'll have a hard time.

Hwi composes a letter from his nephew to be posted in public.

“I am Joseon's King, Lee Myeong, eldest son of the late King. While he was a grand prince, Grand Prince Jin-yang conspired with the barbarians in the north. He led a war against the barbarians in exchange for giving them territory. Grand Prince Jin-yang, Lee Kang, cornered the third prince in line, Eun-sung, Lee Hwi. He forcibly seized the throne. He is simply a traitor. While I was in exile, I suffered assassination threats. But I was able to escape death after being rescued by Grand Prince Eun-sung. We are informing Joseon's people. Let us remove the great criminal, Grand Prince Jin-yang, Lee Kang. I hope that you can come together and combine power in order to install a legitimate king.”

Townspeople gather to read the handbills, while Hwi's trio mention additional bits of information such as the fact that he is alive, and stir up sympathy for the abdicated little King. Elsewhere in the marketplace, Ja-hyun and Kkeut-dan make their way to a dressmaker's shop. Kang's guards have to stay outside because patron's measurements are being taken. They go inside and meet gisaeng Yo-kyung, who takes them to a back room. Hwi is waiting there for Ja-hyun.

She comforts him about his uncle's death. Hwi says he was thinking of Kang. With tears in his eyes, he says he thinks he may be no different than hyung-nim. She assures him that's not the case, that he did not do it for himself, but to set things right. He says that the intent may have been different, but he's done the same thing as Kang. He's filled with shame. She replies that if he wants to fight an enemy, he has to step in muddy water. One cannot be pure and clean after winning a fight.

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Hwi tells her she's changed a great deal. When she asks if he dislikes that, he replies that she became stronger and more beautiful. She's no longer someone he has to protect, but someone he can rely on. She is a strong companion who can support him. The look he gives her...

Ja-hyun asks if he'll inform his mother that he's alive. He replies that the king's restoration cannot succeed without the help of the big dogs. He'll let the Queen Dowager know that he and the abdicated king are both alive. She asks him to give him a letter to take to the palace, and he begs her not to go, seeing as how she was mistreated the last time. She insists that she's confident she'll return safely. It's not that she trusts Kang, but that she trusts themselves, and that he'll save her. She plans to bring silk, and he can write a letter on it. (As with his first “letter” in blood when he returned from Jurchen captivity.)

He tells her it's hard to part for even a day, although they had been apart for 3 years. She tells him to think of their good times in the past when he's having a hard time bearing the separation. After Ja-hyun leaves with Kkeut-dan and the guards, Hwi and Yo-kyung come out. The gisaeng tells him she envies how they treasure and long for each other. Hwi says there was a time when Ja-hyun envied her for her beauty and how she played the flute so well. She replies that she'd never seen such a beautiful woman.

Hwi advises her to set her own standards for living, and that way she won't be shaken by others. He knows she's helping him out of revenge at the moment, but she'll be rewarded in the future. Even better, if she lives by her own standards for the sake of the nation, even as a lowly person, and a woman with an injured eye, she'll become a precious person. He corrects himself. All people are precious. Yo-kyung looks thoughtful, and touched by his sentiments.

Back at Usurpation Central, er, court, Kang is convinced that rebel elements are impersonating the abdicated king. He tells the assembled ministers that they are stirring up the people and deceiving the royal family. War Minister Yoon tells him that the rebels' power will fade now that Traitorous Uncle has died. Kang bellows and demands to know why he does not know where Kinglet is. One of the original traitorous ministers wonders if the prince would be alive, having lost his guardian. He blames all the difficulties on the fact that government affairs are unstable [translation: not in the good hands of the ministers and yangban?]. A well qualified public servant should be appointed to focus power and attention on suppressing the rebels, which will put His Majesty at ease. Various ministers nod in agreement.

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Kang says that since he ascended the throne, it's been an endless string of great and small crises. He singles out Commander Do Jungkook as a local official who committed himself as a loyal subject and did many great things for the country. The older ministers look less than thrilled when Kang announces his promotion to Commander of Five Guards. He charges him with finding Kinglet and the rebels. Minister of War Yoon and Chief Royal Secretary Shim look uneasy.

Another early traitor says the post of Prime Minister has to be filled. Kang replies that he hasn't found a suitable candidate yet. For the nonce, we will make decisions without the state council. He announces his intention to have a Six Ministries administration, and that he will personally take care of affairs of state. The first traitor minister protests that there are many able subject among the ministers at court. Kang retorts that he has no intention of listening to their each and every opinion or practicing politics like a student.

Outside in the courtyard, Commander Do overhears three of the original traitors kvetching about his promotion, and the unfairness of the king's ignoring them when they had supported him in the very beginning. Suddenly one of them notices Do nearby, and suggests they go to the meeting room. One of them mentions the loyalty pledge, and you can see Do's wheels turning. You guys are so dead.

Royal Guard Captain Eo brings Kang a handbill that had been posted in public. He recognizes Hwi's calligraphy, and thinks someone forged it. He orders Captain Eo to round up all kinds of people in addition to the rebels and Kinglet. Haul in everyone who can write, even Confucian scholars and ministers at court, and find out who is forging documents in Hwi's writing.

Kang's henchman says he has reason to believe that Hwi is alive after all. Kang asks if he hadn't identified the body, and he says the face was unrecognizable from being battered on the rocks. But when he went to the mountain temple where Ja-hyun was staying, he though he caught a glimpse of someone he recognized. He had discounted it, until just now when Kang identified the writing as Hwi's.

Commander Do enlists an aide-de-camp who lost his hyung in the fake uprising at Hwi's wedding, just as Do had lost his father.

Ru Shi-gae meets with Queen Dowager's court lady and informs her that Ja-hyun has some of Hwi's possessions that she would like to give his mother. When the lady-in-waiting calls her out on speaking improperly even though she knows perfectly well how to do it formally, Jurchen Warrior Princess(TM) asks her if she has any sweets. Har. [Was that banmal?]

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From a distance, Hwi, Do, and the trio observe the crowd of bribe donors gathered at War Minister Yoon's gate. They line up to pay up. Just like in New Jersey, it's “pay to play.” Commander Do says he's taken over Grand Prince Yang-an's shakedown racket. He adds that the King welcomes corruption as long as no one rebels against him. The traitorous Minister of Revenue Jeong Yeon (Yum Dong-hun) and Right State Minister (Jo Young-jin) have their fingers in the pie, too. Kang's own shortcomings are well-known to those bribing him. One hand washes the other, and they conceal each other's crimes. But word is getting out to the citizens.

Hwi mentions the funerary rite Kang will attend at King Taejo's tomb, and proposes that they carry out their plan when the king is en route to the site.

Na-gyeom calls on Debi Mama and complains that Ja-hyun left the nunnery without permission. Deposed Queen says she hear the lady was ill, but the Queen Consort retorts that a nun has no reason to leave. When Deposed Queen reminds her that she needs to take care of her pregnancy, Queen Dowager finally speaks and orders that she be examined so they can prepare for her pregnancy, which shuts her up. Ja-hyun's arrival is announced. Queen Dowager says she wants to hear the nun's side of the story, and dismisses Na-gyeom, who cannot even splutter in indignation. [I gloated at how Kinglet's long-suffering mother got to needle her horrid sister-in-law for a change.] When the former friends meet outside the chamber, Ja-hyun is excruciatingly polite to the Queen Consort, which only infuriates her more. She rubs it in by saying she may inform the Queen Dowager that she will accede to the King's desires. And muses, while eyeing the other's middle, that bearing a daughter will be useless then it comes to the throne. If a concubine bears a son, he becomes king. [Way to put the whammy on her!] Court Lady Jang announces Ja-hyun before she gets hit.

Queen Dowagers enquires in a surprisingly concerned manner as to Ja-hyun's health. I nearly keeled over in shock. Mom reads Hwi's letter written inside the folded silk that informs her of his and Kinglet's survival and his plan to restore his nephew to the throne. Alas, Kinglet's Mom asks aloud if Hwi is alive, and Ja-hyun looks over her shoulder before moving closer to tell her that he's serving her son even as they speak. [Yo, the walls have ears!] Dowager Mom tearfully admits that she'd held out hope in her heart for Hwi and Myeong. Ja-hyun confirms that she and Hwi rescued the boy. Because of Kang's guards outside her home, her movement is constrained. Dowager Mom grants her an entry pass to visit the palace. Ja-hyun entreats her to support Hwi's work to restore her grandson.

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Kang learns from Spy Court Lady that Ja-hyun is meeting with his mother. As Chief Scholar Sung returns from Ming, Spy Court Lady summons his daughter to meet with Kang. In an outdoor pavilion, he asks her why she's there, and she says it's to butter up his mother so she can smoothly enter the palace. He questions her reasons, and she says her foolishness nearly landed her in the nunnery after Hwi died. Kang muses about the timing of how she changed so much, and reveals he knows that she's concealing Hwi's survival. Accusing her of living with Hwi at the temple, he says that for a brief time he had been happy that she had agree to be his consort. Now his tiny heart is crushed. Boo hoo. She's only used the kind of tactics he does.

Ja-hyun's game face falters, but she persists in her attempt at deception. She's heard his queen is pregnant. If she bears a son, Kang won't be able to avoid being stuck with Na-gyeom, and she accuses him of trying to back out of their deal. He retorts that if he makes her his consort, Hwi who still lives will be in agony. She tells him to keep his promise. Spy Court Lady informs him that Chief Scholar Sung has returned from China. Kang informs Ja-hyun that when he is approved as king, he will carry through as if Hwi were dead.

Oh, damn! Queen Dowager shows Hwi's silken letter to her good-for-nothing Orabeoni, Chief Royal Secretary Shim. He was already co-opted by Traitorous Uncle. He proposes covering up all the royal misbehavior lest the subjects get bent out of shape. Spoken like a true politician. His sister pins back his ears over his support for Kang's treasonous behavior. I can only assume he'll go tattle to Kang or War Minister Yoon.

In the throne room, Kang informs the court that Ming is sending envoys to meet with abdicated Prince Seung-pyun. Traitorous Right State Minister (Jo Young-jin) tells Chief Scholar Sung that a lot has happened since he left on his journey. You can say that again. Kang orders the child be found. Sung and newly-promoted Five Guards Commander Do give the high sign and later meet outdoors. Sung admits that he purposely queered the deal by mentioning the young king's abdication to Ming, and hopes it works as a stalling tactic. Do has someone for him to meet.

Kang and his Palace Guard Commander Eo meet and discuss Hwi's probable intentions. Eo opines restoration of his nephew. Instead of tracking Hwi and driving him deeper into hiding, Kang proposes to let him come to them, noting that another blood bath is in the offing.

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At Hwi's HQ at the gibang, he meets with Chief Scholar Sung as a crowd of commoner men arrive and are greeted by the trio of Jurchen prisoners. Sung is surprisingly un-shocked. LOL. Hwi asks him to escort the ministers back to the palace from the ambush while Hwi keeps Kang pinned down outside the palace. He'll arrange for his nephew to be sent to the palace where Queen Dowager will issue a proclamation (nae-ji) restoring him to the throne. Sung begins to express skepticism that the ministers will go along with them as Five Guards Commander Do says they'll arrest Kang as soon as little Myeong is restored. Hwi says that ministerial opposition collapsed after Traitorous Uncle's death, they just have to take out War Minister Yoon and Palace Guard Captain Eo. Sung is concerned that their plans could be leaked. Do tells him the three in the room are the only ones who know the whole plan [Yeah, along with Kang and his loyal henchman, who are at least three steps ahead. You guys must be lousy baduk players.] Hwi says that Do's subordinates will follow the chain of command, and will be unaware that it is a coup d'état.

The Trio and Gi-teuk hustle Hwi through the gibang grounds to a gate, which opens to reveal the crowd who arrived earlier. More former prisoners of the Jurchens, who come to pledge fealty to the grand prince and his mission to restore his nephew to the throne. As Sung and Do look on from a distance, Hwi is moved to tears that they would endanger their lives by throwing in their lot with him. Their spokesman replies that they were already dead as prisoners of the Jurchens, and that they are now ready to return the favor. Gi-teuk looks like he's about to cry when he sees their old comrades. When Do asks Sung if he feels reassured by this outpouring of loyalty, he replies that everyone in his household has already made the choice to support Hwi.

Five Guards Commander Do calls on his aide-de-camp to ascertain that he had worked for Kinglet before he became a member of the Palace Guard, which he affirms. He notes that many other of Kinglet's guards had later been made Palace Guard Captain Eo's subordinates. Do takes him to meet Hwi, and the man is boggled to see him alive. Hwi asks him to protect Kinglet again, and tasks him with examining the bribery records turned over by gisaeng Yo-kyung. They convince him of the breadth and depth of the conspiracy to overthrow the young king, as well as Kang's illegitimacy as a ruler.

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At Na-gyeom's palace, the royal physician and his assistant wait to examine the Queen consort per Queen Dowager's orders. She argues with Kinglet's mom, who was dispatched to oversee the operation, and who challenges her that she is not really pregnant. The physician testifies that it's still too early to tell whether she really is pregnant. In a month it will be definite. Her lady-in-waiting asks if she ordered him to lie. She says it may well be true in a month. She has a feeling. Oh, great.

At Ja-hyun's abode, she and Kkeut-dan busily sew while Ru Shi-gae throws down her work in frustration. The maid tells her she's the one who wanted to try sewing, while Ja-hyun tells her to do what she is good at (i.e., fighting). They make an arrow-proof vest. RSG asks if it's for Hwi, and Ja-hyun tells her it for her. They'll make another for Hwi. Snotty Kkeut-dan is pissed off to be sewing for an orangkae. I hate her pettiness.

Hwi, Commander Do, and the trio do a site inspection near the river where they plan to ambush Kang's retinue en route to the funerary rite. At Ho-chi's whistle, RSG shoots an arrow at Do's feet, causing the trio to jump in surprise, and Gi-teuk, who is with her, to give her an admiring look. The plan is for the archers to pick off the guards. They will use their own loyal guards to abscond with the palanquin with Kang trapped inside, and Chief Scholar Sung will lead the ministers back to the palace. They have to get rid of Palace Guard Captain Eo. Hwi says that if they fail, they are goners. Do says that if they prevail, his father's grudge will be relieved. They'll be able to show the citizens that virtue prevails, and that is the path Joseon must take.

Ja-hyun makes a return trip to the dressmaker's shop with Kkeut-dan and Kang's guards. (This looks like it was shot the same rainy day as the earlier trip to the shop.) Inside, Yo-kyung's hench-gisaeng helps her out of her outer layers of clothes. She's wearing gisaeng garb underneath. Ha ha! Add a wig and a big hat, and presto change-o, she's ready to give the guards the slip. (Um, how is Kkeut-dan going to explain away her boss's disappearance? Is she going to hole up in the shop for the rest of the show?!) The two gisaeng return to the gibang, where Hwi and RSG await with Yo-kyung, who cuts short the lovers' reunion and hustles them indoors lest they be seen by prying eyes. RSG looks torn.

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Kang tries to make Ja-hyun's Orabeoni one of his officials. He wisely protests that he is only a student of Confucianism who has yet to pass the civil service exam, and graciously declines even as the King tells him he should be supporting his sister. Kang remarks to Palace Guard Captain Eo that it's weird that his father went to Ming as an envoy, and his sister is gunning to be Queen Consort, while he is trying to distance himself from the court. Kang sees him as a simple person who is terrible at faking, and it sends up a red flag. Captain Eo says that he's suspicious of Five Guards Commander Do, who allegedly shot Hwi out of revenge for his father's death. Eo replies that Traitorous Uncle had warned him about Do, and thinks that Kang may have promoted him too quickly. Kang says to keep an eye on him. Eo asks about rescheduling the funerary rite.

At the gibang, Hwi's archers prepare their bows and arrows. Gi-teuk gives RSG arrows, and exhorts her to run like hell when she's done. She says one should do one's best. He looks worried for her.

Holding the gisaeng wig, Ja-hyun says fancy things don't suit her, while Hwi says they're still better than dressing in drag. Har! His eyes twinkle as he says that tomorrow everything will be back there it should be. They can finally hold their wedding and will be together forever. Then he reminds her that she and her father have plausible deniability in the event anything goes wrong. [Thud! Back down to earth.] She replies that Kang suspects that Hwi is alive. He responds that they cannot stop now. It may be a long time before they get another chance to overthrow Kang. He tries to send her home. She refuses. She regretted that they did not consummate their promise ceremony before he left for the front. She's not about to let that happen again. He objects that he is a dead person, and that the best thing he's done is to spare her three years of being married to him in the eyes of the world. Ja-hyun calls him a liar, and says that he has bitterly missed her and regretted not marrying her all along. She tells him she's not afraid, and they're going to do it now, which triggers tears and a passionate smooch.

Outside, Su Shi-gae loiters at a respectful distance, seemingly wanting to speak with Hwi on the eve of battle. Gi-teuk emerges out of the shadows to pull her away when she says she's waiting to talk with Hwi. He calls her a fool and tells her that it ain't going to happen tonight as the boss has many things to discuss with Ja-hyun. “This might be their last night, so they must feel uneasy.” Aw, Gi-teuk, they aren't the only ones feeling uneasy. She retorts, “What about us? It might be the last, so we should be with him.” Spoken like a true Jurchen Warrior Princess(TM).

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“You can just be with me.” Gi-teuk finally comes out and says it. She pounds her chest and says her heart hurts. He embraces her, and says that it's because her feelings are hurt. She pushes the eunuch away, and calls him a fool in Manchu. He tells her that it will only hurt her more when Hwi and the lady marry. After tomorrow, there will be no need for her to guard anyone. She should live with him. She refuses. It's Hwi or bust. When Gi-teuk says he'll protect her, she tells him he fights worse than she does, and stomps on his foot to emphasize the point. Dang, I feel bad for both of them. In their own ways, they are neither fish nor fowl, but that common ground is not enough for them to see each other. Hwi's radiance blinds RSG to the quiet admiration of the very proper eunuch who teases only her. Sniff.

At Chez Sung, Orabeoni waits outside his sister's dark room. Kkeut-dan says she gave Kang's security the slip, and should be coming back from seeing Hwi. The two discuss their fears over the plot to dethrone Kang, and the renewed danger to their household.

Back at Restoration HQ, Ja-hyun gives the gentle and diffident Hwi a nudge to get on with the whoopee-making after he helps her out of her jacket. He couldn't be more unlike his bodice-ripping brother. If this sageuk runs true to form, that may well be the last steamy kiss we see as the camera pans away to reveal her arms embracing his neck and shoulders. Next morning, Ja-hyun helps Hwi dress. He laments that he has involved her in the plan to overthrow Kang, and cannot stand endangering her any longer. He tells her to protect herself, that she could die if the coup fails. She replies that she won't regret it even if she does die. She asks him to return. He says he will. One tear falls as they embrace.

At the palace, Chief Royal Secretary surprises Court Lady Jang, who is carrying a message to Queen Dowager. When he wants to know what is happening, she merely states that it is on a need-to-know basis. Way to wave a red flag at a bull, toots. Later, the Queen tells her that Hwi is sending her grandson to court today. [How much do you bet that Spy Court Lady's bionic hearing has picked up every syllable?!] Court Lady Jang tells her that her brother was suspicious, but the Queen says that's only because she no longer discusses business with him nowadays. Grrr. There she goes minimizing his duplicity, and blowing off her faithful servant's attempt to warn her that something is fishy. Do you really need to have a neon light flashing over the palace to realize what's going on with your brother?!

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Kang gets dressed in his military uniform for the outing to the funerary rite. Chief Royal Secretary helpfully informs him and Palace Guard Captain Eo that it might be a good day to postpone the event as hostile elements may try to do something. He reports the widespread rumors that Kinglet and Hwi are still alive. Eo chimes in that he's uneasy that Five Guards Commander Do is escorting him. Kang asks if he should wear his armor.

At Restoration HQ, Hwi and his men (and woman) prostrate themselves before Kinglet before setting off. He entrusts his nephew to the custody of Ja-hyun and Gi-teuk who will take him to the palace when they receive word, while the two gisaengs look on. Ja-hyun asks RSG if she's wearing the protective gear she stitched for her, and she shows her she's got it on. With promises of a feast awaiting their return, the archers set out for their date with destiny in all their slo-mo badass glory.

Kang strides over to his royal palanquin in the palace grounds, while Kinglet plays with azalea blossoms at the gibang under the watchful eyes of Ja-hyun and Gi-teuk. The wait is on, and the suspense is killing me.

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After the replay of Kinglet and the azaleas at the gibang, Kang eyeing his palanquin in the courtyard, and Hwi leading his archers to set up their ambush, Deposed Queen asks Queen Dowager if her boy will really be coming to the palace. Queen Grandma tells her Hwi promised. Because of Ming's insistence that their envoys meet Kinglet, he's safe for now. But what about after they leave? Grandma says they'll have to come up with something. Oh, goody. Another non-plan. Queen Dowager sends Court Lady Jang to await Ja-hyun's arrival at the main gate. Kinglet's worried Mom has to cool her heels indoors to avoid arousing suspicion.

While Hwi & Co. truck off to hide in the tall grass near the river, Kang's entourage sets off with the ministers accompanying it. The ambushers arrive at the designated spot for the river crossing to get to Hwi's grandfather's tomb. Interestingly, there's no boat visible. Isn't that kind of fishy?

Na-gyeom is served carp stew for breakfast per her order to the kitchen. It is supposed to provide nutritional support for pregnancy. When her court lady tells her that she prayed to the moon the previous day for the Queen Consort's baby, her boss yells at her that the moon's yin energy causes conception of females. Sheesh. You are such an ingrate. Also: Holy cow! Kang really did sleep with her on the date determined by the Office of Divination. Amazing. So it's possible she really could be in the very early stages of pregnancy. She tells her maid to track down the woman who's given birth to the most sons in the capital and obtain her kitchen knife. That sounds like a sure-fire way to ensure you have a son of your own, Your Majesty. [Or maybe such a knife is full of yang energy that is supposed to cut the bad luck of birthing a girl?] When she goes to eat the carp stew, she complains that it smells bad, then smiles faintly. Aha! A tell-tale sign that she's pregnant.

Ja-hyun gets Kinglet dressed as a little scholar, and Gi-teuk tells him that he's returning to the palace today. He's thrilled at the prospect of seeing Mom. Ja-hyun looks pensive.

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With the archers hidden among the weeds, Hwi and Ru Shi-gae are on the lookout for Kang's procession. She tells him that they should go hunting if everything goes well today. He replies that the only reason they hunted before was because they had no food. It wasn't for fun. She persists, and he agrees to go hunting with her and Gi-teuk. Then he apologizes for taking her from her homeland. He realizes he'd never asked her why she came with them. She replies that she's the one who followed him, and it was because she had no reason to remain there. As a half-breed, she did not fit in anywhere. She didn't want to be alone. Her putative father, the chief, didn't pay any attention to her. “Among all the people I've met in my life, Hwi, you have been the warmest. I was afraid of being alone again.” To her, Hwi is the sun in the sky. He tells her she'll never be alone again, that she'll be his younger sister for the remainder of life. And after this is all over, he'll take responsibility and find her a husband. Whereupon she smacks him hard, causing the Trio concealed nearby to pop up like stunned meerkats. Finally they had The Talk.

Back in his eunuch robes, Gi-teuk has Kinglet board a palanquin, and sets out with him and Ja-hyun for the palace. Before they leave, she asks Yo-kyung to hide their people who return. She will come back when Kinglet arrives safely at the palace. Gi-teuk thanks the gisaeng and her smitten associate for all their help. The latter takes his hands and protests that it sounds like a final farewell. He gently extricates himself, and off they go. Back inside, Yo-kyung packs her valuables and advises her hench-gisaeng to do so as well. She tells her to get a swift, strong horse and obtain a boat. To flee? If the revolt fails, they are as good as dead. She's hedging her bets outside the capital.

Kang's procession heaves into view of the archers. It seems that Palace Guard Captain Eo calls a halt, and opens the palanquin's railing. Kang begins to step out, and Hwi and RSG let fly their arrows. Eo shoves him back in and closes the screen. The rest of the archers follow suit. Mounted guards drop like flies, as do those on foot. Right State Minister Park Boo-kyung takes an arrow to the chest and croaks. But there's more traitors where he came from. Five Guards Commander Do rallies the bearers, and hustles the palanquin out of range.

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Hwi races away to head off the procession, while RSG leads the archers in continuing to fire on the retreating guards. Just as they're about to disband, another force approaches. War Minister Yoon is in the lead. This wasn't in the plan. He confers with Captain Eo, who sends them after the procession. RSG orders the archers to scatter. She intends to go after Hwi, and tells the Trio they'll get killed if they follow, so disperse. The Trio hesitates, then follows after her, knowing full well that it's suicidal.

The procession halts when Hwi appears ahead of it. In front of the palanquin, Hwi calls to his brother to come out. The screen flies open as an armed warrior dressed like Kang lunges at him, but Hwi dodges the sword, and kills him quickly. He and Commander Do realize that it's a trap, and that they must return to the palace. Just then, there's the sound of hoofbeats as War Minister Yoon's detachment arrives. Captain Eo orders his foot soldiers to attack. As the other ministers look on, some in shock, Chief Scholar Sung asks Chief Royal Secretary Shim if he already knew a counterattack was planned. Shim tells him that Kang will be safe, and had probably ordered this action. Sung rapidly figures he has to return the ministers back to the palace, and sets off to get them underway.

Ru Shi-gae and the Trio race up as Hwi and Do continue to fight. She tells him to protect Kinglet and practically throws him on a horse, slapping it to make it run. He and Do ride off, while Eo and Yoon look on as their troops are slaughtered by the good guys, who are tiring. Eo dismounts and incapacitates RSG, who watches in horror as her three distracted comrades are killed one by one as they come to her rescue. She is taken hostage, and marched away on foot. Meanwhile, Hwi and Do race for the palace.

Na-gyeom asks Kang why he has not gone to the royal tomb after all, and he replies that he learned of a conspiracy to assassinate him. He explains that he did not cancel the outing because he wanted to lure his nephew into the palace, and he would be Kang's most likely successor. He needs to have Kinglet to show to the Ming envoy. His wife fangirls over his craftiness. He assigns her custody of his nephew, and she gleefully accepts.

Court Lady Jang awaits Kinglet's arrival as his party makes its way through the streets outside the palace. Kang and his entourage are on the move in the palace grounds. A guard conspirator confers with Commander Do's aide-de-camp and tells him he just saw the King on the grounds. They conclude that the first stage is a bust, so it's time for Plan B. Meanwhile, War Minister Yoon's force heads back to the palace, with the wounded RSG on foot.

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Kang barges into his mother's quarters, freaking out both queens. Kinglet's mother should never play poker. She would lose her shirt. Queen Dowager is better at keeping her cool as Kang asks if she knew about the plot to overthrow him. He basically orders house arrest to protect them from the rebels who are at large.

The guard at the main gate asks who is in the palanquin, and Court Lady Jang comes to Ja-hyun's rescue, stating that it's a child the Queen Dowager asked to be sent from her private house [family home?]. Ja-hyun freezes when, just after entering the grounds, Kang and his party spot them. He says he didn't expect to see her today, and she apparently did not expect to see him. From the guilty and panicked looks on their faces, none of the good guys should ever play poker. Poor Kinglet freaks out when Kang opens the door after knocking Ja-hyun aside, and uncle says he's been waiting for him. He sounds like the Big Bad Wolf. He thanks Ja-hyun for delivering his nephew to him, and orders her and Gi-teuk be taken to the Secret Pavilion. Kinglet is carried kicking and screaming to Na-gyeom.

In the Secret Pavilion, Kang grills his prisoners. Gi-teuk only says that Hwi has been dead for a long time, and that the rebels were only trying to get back at the late grand prince's enemies. Ja-hyun adds that they were only following Hwi's last will to return the abdicated king to his throne. Kang is pissed that she demanded he dethrone his wife and deceived him. [Newsflash, Kang: Payback is a bitch.] He grabs a sword and holds it to Gi-teuk's proffered neck. He demands to know from Ja-hyun whether Hwi is alive. The eunuch assures her that he is okay even as he trembles with faltering breath. Kang presses the blade and draws blood, but does not slash him. Enraged by the eunuch's statements not to worry about him, but to hold her peace and that he will gladly die, Kang is about to strike him when she falls on her knees in front of him, and asks if he wants to hear the truth.

He retorts that he'll tell her the truth: whether Hwi is alive or not, the rebels who attacked his entourage today are now assuredly dead. She replies that even if they are dead, the people will rise up again in opposition to a king who sells out to the Jurchens and kills his own nephew. Kang rhapsodizes over how everyone will bow down and beg his forgiveness, that he owns the country, and that she's just being stubborn, when the arrival of a messenger from the site of the attack is announced. A tear falls from Gi-teuk's eye as the man reports how the ambush was foiled, and the rebels are being pursued. Ja-hyun tells Kang that he will become fearful because there are survivors.

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Cut to the main gate of the palace, where guards move barricades into position before it is closed and barred. Commander Do's aide-de-camp calls upon the guard in charge to open the gate for the head of the Royal Investigation Agency when he arrives as there is a rebellion in progress. He replies that his job is to secure the gates, and that Do should handle security outside the palace. Do's aide says he's coming to augment the defenders within, but is rebuffed again.

Court Lady Jang informs the two queens that Ja-hyun is in the Secret Pavilion and Kinglet is in Na-gyeom's clutches. Queen Dowager cannot allow Ja-hyun to be harmed, and formidably sets off on a rescue mission of her own.

Hwi and Commander Do race into the grounds of (the mountain?) temple, where they join up with loyal guardsmen. Hwi informs the leader that their plan was discovered, and they will have to fight at the palace, despite his desire to minimize military casualties. They set out posthaste.

Kang asks what their choices are, now that the revolt has failed. She replies that they already made their choices yesterday. They did not expect to succeed when they entered the palace, but it was an inevitable path even if the rebellion were going to fail. Kang says that she could have survived if only she'd not gotten involved. Ja-hyun retorts that there are those who wish to die with others rather than dying alone. (Is she referring to Ru Shi-gae?)

When Kang replies that he has won, she says that the winners in history are not determined in our lifetime, but far in the future, when those who sought to right the wrongs become known. When he asks the exact nature of her relationship with Hwi, she tells him that it is “walking together on the right path.” He tells her that when Hwi died, he thought that leaving her alone was his punishment, but now he sees that killing her first will cause Hwi the greatest pain.

Holding his sword to her neck, he says that he wanted to kill Hwi and keep her alive. Killing her and leaving Hwi alive will be the greatest punishment for everyone. Just as he's getting ready to slice, Queen Dowager enters and tells Kang that she ordered Ja-hyun to bring her grandson to her. He turns to his mother and asks if she knew about the plot. Mom says he didn't plan an assassination, and Kang asks if she knew he was alive. She answers that while he was out of the palace, Hwi planned to restore his nephew to the throne. Shaken, Kang asks whether that is not the same as killing him.

Mom hollers at him, asking if death is all there if for him if he has no throne. Blame me! Don't blame the innocent! He replies that he killed his uncle. Is she pushing him to kill his own mother, too? She looks him in the eye defiantly while he trembles.

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Hwi's troop arrives in front of the palace's main gate. Five Guards Commander Do orders that the gate opened. When the gatekeeper refuses without the King's command, Do's aide-de-camp draws his sword, declares that Heaven's order is the royal order, and attacks and kills him. The gates swing wide, and Hwi and Do enter with their troops. They split the force between Do and his aide-de-camp, who will secure the gate to repel the forces of War Minister Yoon and Palace Guard Captain Eo. Do will take Kang and Kinglet into custody. Hwi seems to be searching for Ja-hyun and Gi-teuk, along with the Queen Dowager.

Kang continues to lock horns with the Queen Dowager. Even if she's his mother, he is still the king and she can't just do whatever she wants. He cannot forgive her for attempting to dethrone him. When he orders the guards to take her away, she shouts him down and says that she will take Ja-hyun with her. With his sword at the latter's throat, he declares that she held him in contempt and conspired with the rebels to oust him. Queen Mom says, “Slay me first! He even did it to his own brother, so what couldn't he do to his mother as well? Kill your mother first!”

Kang looks gobsmacked. “Apologize! Admit your wrongdoing! Why aren't you giving me a chance to become a good king?” She levels her steely gaze at him. “Because it is not your spot to take! Your life became a shambles ever since you began to covet the throne! You have totally compromised the royal family!” Ja-hyun, Gi-teuk, and Court Lady Jang look ill at ease to be privy to the airing of the royal dirty laundry. Mom does not hold back. “I know you have talents that could have made you a king. If you had been born wonja, everyone would have looked up to you, and you would have become a strong, healthy king. But you weren't born wonja, and the lieges and people do not treat you like a king. Because you came to the throne in an irregular manner.” A tear drops from his eye as a shout is raised outside. He leaves them, as Hwi and his troops enter an inner gate.

Kang and his men enter a courtyard. He faces Hwi and his troops. “So you really were alive after all.” He brother replies that he cannot die because he has people to protect. “So it has come down to this: I have to kill you myself if I want to put an end to this fight.” Hwi draws his sword, and the go at it hammer and tongs. Their mother is agog when she enters and sees them fighting, and Ja-hyun catches her breath. Gi-teuk holds them back as the brothers grunt and snort like rutting stags. Hwi dodges one swipe, but Kang lands another. Is he wearing Ja-hyun's armor?! Methinks he is, and it worked!

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Kang tells Hwi to give up, that he's never once beaten him. Hwi retorts that it's different now. Kang himself has made him stronger. Kang grabs his right wrist and begins to spin so that they are back to back. It looks like he's maneuvering to stab Hwi backhandedly. Hwi counters by reaching back and grabbing Kang's sword wrist, and continuing the spin. He demands Kang give up.

Kang replies, “Give up what? The throne? Your woman?” Hwi retorts, “You can't have either of them!” Kang bellows, “You can't slay me. You'll just dither until the end.” Whereupon Hwi breaks free of Kang's grasp and spins out of reach of his sword. “You cannot beat me. Practicing at a training ground or while hunting is nothing compared to the countless enemy troops I have cut down in actual battle. You cannot stop my bloody sword!”

They move in close and engage again – until, with a flick of his wrist, Hwi pries Kang's sword out of his hand by the guard. Commander Do's aide-de-camp orders Kang's men to stand down, and his guards subdue them. Hwi orders that Kang be taken to the Secret Pavilion.

Meanwhile, Do cuts down the guards outside Na-gyeom's palace. Spy Court Lady breaks the news to her that she has to escape pronto. Hwi is alive, and fighting with the King at that very moment. His wife gasps. Kinglet watches for his moment to make a break for it himself, and moves out of her reach on the other side of a pillar.

After two guards escort Kang into the Not-So-Secret-Pavilion, Hwi enters, and his brother tells him to just kill him already. Hwi earnestly replies that he never once intended to harm him even for a second. “Pay for your sins by living and repenting.” Kang sighs loudly, and asks if he's trying to be king now. Hwi evenly asks if he believes that everyone is trying to live the way he does. His brother retorts:

”To squirm when being stepped on. To desire to rise up when being looked down upon. To have greed for what one wants. All that is what makes someone a person.”

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Hwi continues to earnestly tell Kang that he's tried to understand at great length how he thinks. “It's normal to feel a grudge when hurt, or to become ambitious when humiliated. But in the end, a person makes their own choices. When Yeon-hee died at a young age --” Kang interrupts him, and yells at him that it was an accident. [It sure didn't look like an accident to me. Or was it a crime of passion?] Hwi replies he should have acknowledged his wrongdoing and begged for forgiveness. And when Traitorous Uncle was seducing him into improper behavior, he should have avoided him and protected the family! When Hyung-nim the King was dying and entrusted his son the seja to his care, he should have genuinely heeded his last will! Even if he coveted his younger brother's lover, he should have restrained himself and suppressed the urge. That's what a human being would have done!

Kang asks if he has no desires of his own. Are Hwi's hands clean? He can see his true self through the act he puts on. He's such a hypocrite! Hwi admits that Kang is right, that he harbors envy and jealousy inside him. He fears that people will discover those many ugly facets he tries to conceal. But he tries hard to suppress all that negativity. He does so because he is a human being.

Kang pointedly asks if attempting to suppress his less-than-noble characteristics makes them disappear. Hwi replies that when Kang got all his heart's desires, did he think he became a different person? Hwi says there was a time when he was taken in by Kang's snow job, and that he erroneously had sympathy for his brother. He alone made his life and his position the way it is now. Hwi leaves, and Kang is locked inside the room.

In the hallway, his mother, Court Lady Jang, Ja-hyun, Gi-teuk, and Commander Do's aide-de-camp, along with the guards, hear the whole conversation. Kang rages and huffs by himself. Hwi orders Do's subordinate to arrest all of Kang's servants and officers and replace them with their own people. War Minister Yoon is headed this way. The guard officer leaves.

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Hwi hands his sword to the eunuch, and turns to his mother. He asks if she has written the dethronement and restoration proclamation. Her court lady hands him the scroll. He asks his mother to go to the Queen's Pavilion and protect the abdicated king. He'll send them with a military escort. Queen Mom, looking the worse for wear, agrees to go. Next, he asks Ja-hyun to find Commander Do at the Queen's Pavilion and send him to the main gate. As Gi-teuk looks on questioningly, she asks where Ru Shi-gae and the Trio are, and Hwi dodges the question by asking her to stay with his mother. He'll meet her there as soon as things settle down. He departs.

As swords ring out, Spy Court Lady sneaks off into the palace grounds. Ja-hyun and the Queen Dowager meet Commander Do, and pass along Hwi's order. She tells him they'll be taking Kinglet back to his grandmother's quarters.

War Minister Yoon and Palace Guard Captain Eo order Do's aide outside the main gate to let them in. He refuses until he receives orders from the king because of the rebellion. Yoon counters that they have just suppressed the rebellion. Ru Shi-gae, trussed up like a Thanksgiving turkey but still on her feet after walking who knows how far, looks like death warmed over. Yoon tries to pull rank, to no avail. Eventually Palace Guard Captain Eo gets suspicious that military officers are manning the gate instead of his personnel. He accuses them of being rebels, and everyone draws their swords.

On cue, the contingent of old, out-of-shape ministers arrives like so many goslings following Chief Scholar Sung. Their eyes bug out at the sight of the swords. Oh, crap, not again. When Eo orders that equipment [battering rams?] be fetched from the armory, Sung is incredulous and demands to know if Eo is planning to attack the palace. Yoon tells the ministers that the rebels have taken over the palace, and they'll demolish the gate if they have to to protect King Kang. Do's aide intercepts the guard Eo ordered to the military armory and challenges the Palace Guard Captain's authority to issue the order. Nice.

[Aside: Why the heck don't the good guys have archers on the battlements? It's not as if they have a shortage of archers. Oh, right, because they could have wiped out the baddies before Ru Shi-gae ended up in deeper kimchi than she was already in.]

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The request for equipment was interesting... I kept thinking "Why is the palace guard armoury kept outside the palace?"

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@wishfultoki,

I got the impression that the Palace Guard is a separate force from the regular army units. Therefore they would have their own dedicated supply depots and armories. Palace Guard Captain Eo does not have access to regular army facilities, especially because none of the army personnel are loyal to Kang.

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At Na-gyeom's pavilion, Queen Dowager majestically sweeps in with Ja-hyun and Court Lady Jang in her wake. The Queen Consort gets up and grabs Kinglet, who futilely attempts to escape her grasp. Grandma asks her nicely to release her grandson. She replies that the King ordered her to “protect” him. Ja-hyun unloads a broadside point-blank. “The era of Grand Prince Jin-yang is over.” She counters by asking if her erstwhile friend thinks her own time has come now that Grand Prince Eun-sung is back from the dead. If she only knew. Her mother-in-law says, “The world has changed.” Dun-dun-dun. Ja-hyun helpfully adds that the abdicated king has been restored, and that she will have to vacate the Queen's Pavilion. As in, “You're fired, toots!” While that percolates in and she asks in mounting terror where her King is, Kinglet breaks free and scoots over to Grandma, who sinks down to hug him. Aw.

Na-gyeom comes out (verbally) swinging, and accuses Ja-hyun of ruining Kang's path. Boy, is that ever rich. Does this woman ever listen to what she's saying? Ja-hyun quietly informs her that their own greed brought their ruination upon them. Mother-in-law informs her that she is under house arrest in the Queen's Pavilion until Kang's punishment is decided. She leaves with Kinglet, while her old friend stays behind. “Do you understand now? The Queen's Pavilion that you've loved so much for so long is now your prison.”

The main gate swings wide and Hwi, accompanied by Gi-teuk, Do, and his aide, stride out, boggling most of the ministers. Chief Royal Secretary looks shifty-eyed. I want to wring his neck, the two-timing rat. Ru Shi-gae still looks like hell, and Gi-teuk just looks at her, managing to not blow his cool. Hwi informs all present that he has returned to the palace with the abdicated king, and will now read a proclamation from the Queen Dowager.

"To all ministers: We have proof that Grand Prince Jin-yang usurped the throne by making a secret deal with the barbarians. Former king Lee Myeong will be restored to the throne. All ministers should return to court and reaffirm your loyalty to the restored king. Anyone who sides with Grand Prince Jin-yang will be deemed a traitor, their family will be ruined for three generations, and they will be punished in the harshest manner possible.”

War Minister Yoon challenges, “Who are you calling traitors?! Grand Prince Eun-sung is the traitor!” Obviously the Yoon family has a hereditary difficulty in accepting reality. The denial is strong in this one.

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Chief Scholar Sung makes the first literal move, and walks over to stand near Hwi. “This proclamation was issued for good reason by the Queen Dowager. We will be receiving an envoy from Ming. We must stabilize the throne as soon as possible and demonstrate our unity to China.” Yoon lowers his sword. Eo's wheels are turning. Chief Royal Secretary Shim frowns, and starts moving towards Sung. I still want to smack him. Minister of Shakedowns & Graft Revenue Jeong Yeon (Yum Dong-hun), one of Kang's original treasonous signatories, brings up the rear.

Yoon is left spluttering, and I feel a tad sorry for him. He has unfailingly supported his brother-in-law, unlike the craven cowards who switch sides like jaywalkers in Manhattan. “You sly bastards, who lived high on the hog in the shadow of our King!” He gets into a shouting match with Hwi, while the unprincipled jerks save their own worthless hides.

Palace Guard Captain Eo takes that opportunity to seize Ru Shi-gae, drags her out front, and forces her to her knees. Gi-teuk jumps out of his skin. Hwi holds him back, and warns that she is his person and not to be harmed. “I understand your obedience, but this is not loyalty. The King has already been judged and deposed. He is awaiting sentencing.” Eo demands that Kang be brought there immediately, or he will kill her. RSG takes matters into her own hands, pushes Eo away, and makes a break for it, but is too slow. He cuts her down in cold blood.

Hwi shouts, “Slay them,” and that's the cue for his troops to pursue Yoon's forces. All the while, Gi-teuk is silently frozen in shock, while Hwi wails her name.

Observations:

First order of business: the cliffhanger. I won't jump to conclusions until I see what happens with my own eyes. That said, the outlook is grim. Hwi would have to have access to Hwata's portal and a deal with Choi Young to borrow Eun-soo to stitch up that wound, assuming her blood loss could be treated. Make a deal with King Gongmin and borrow Jang Bin euisa while you're at it. I'd even try shanghaiing Dr. Jin if he would make some of his Rube Goldberg intravenous drip equipment. Jinjja! Heck, Hwi could channel his own doppelgänger, Heo Jun, for medical support. With a team of excellent physicians including acupuncturist extraordinaire Heo Im, Ru Shi-gae's chances would improve immensely. Better yet, find a way to shove her through a portal directly into the ER at Doldam Hospital so Kim Sabu and his crackerjack team can stitch her up better than new. Get neurosurgeon Lee Young-O on board, just in case.

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Oh gosh, your plan to save RSG are too funny!! But totally plausible in dramaland 🤗

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Or, the plausible solution the writer had in her hands was: to make Ja Hyun's armour actually do something and save Ru Shi Gae. Dang, why did she have to be slashed in the neck and not the back? *sob*

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Observations, cont'd.:

Of course even the best-laid plans were going to go awry. It wouldn’t be a sageuk if they went smoothly. Or maybe it’s more accurate to say that Kang & Co. are crafty and suspicious as heck, so of course they got the vibe that something was up. They’re not stupid. And I’m glad they’re still a step or three ahead of the Good Guys. Everyone is still in character. I cannot stand it when the baddies are suddenly dumbed down for no good reason.

I was really glad that Hwi had that heart-to-heart with Ru Shi-gae before the battle. We finally found out why she left Jurchenland. She was considered neither Jurchen nor Korean, and didn’t fit in anywhere. But Hwi’s warm, bright character gave her a place of her own in the world that she would never otherwise have had. While to some it might sound as if he’d friend-zoned her by adopting her as his kid sister, to a tribal person, that might have been considered a high honor, especially coming from a prince. — I think she exaggerated a bit when she told the Jurchen envoy that Hwi had protected her. I’ve always had the feeling that she was the one protecting Hwi and Gi-teuk, at least until the others became better fighters because of her training and sparring with them.

ROFLMAO when Hwi gave her the patented Orabeoni Spiel after promising to go hunting with her and Gi-teuk. (As soon as I heard that, dun-dun-dun, I knew it was jinxed.) I loved how she smacked him hard when he said that after the dust settles, he’ll get her married off. What part of “I followed you because of your warmth” did you not understand, Daegam? The look on his face was priceless. I could easily imagine the Jurchen Warrior Princess(TM) as Auntie Shi-gae, happily teaching his kiddies how to hunt and forage for berries like a Manchurian Euell Gibbons. Perhaps in cahoots with Uncle Gi-teuk. Too bad that it looks as if she’s heading to the Happy Hunting Ground herself. Dang.

It didn't come as a huge surprise that the Prisoner Trio (consisting of leader Joo-ni, Deok-man, and Ho-chi the Carnivorous Chowhound) were red shirts who went on a suicide mission. Alas, their ultimate sacrifices were as effective at slowing down Kang's minions as their pit trap had been at delaying the assassins en route to whack Kinglet-in-Exile. But it was the thought that counted. And finally someone bailed Ru Shi-gae out, if only for 3.2 nanoseconds. Her grief at their deaths was truly touching.

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I was so annoyed at Hwi when he talked about marrying her off ~ it’s like he didn’t know what would make her happy at all, but I understand the historical context of giving your followers prize spouses after the war (okay, now I’m picturing RSG with a trophy husband 😂)

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I feel for Ru Shi Gae. It's like Hwi never knew her at all, and took her pretty much for granted all these years.

For a moment I thought a marriage with Ru Shi Gae would be considered when Hwi told the Jurchen ambassadors that they would strengthen ties through marriage... My ears pricked up: "Marriage? Whose marriage?" But nothing happened *sour cat face*

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I totally agree, Ru Shi Gae was not even my favorite at the beginning, but the thoughtless consideration Hwi gives her is the sort that can be more hurtful in the end...

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Episode 19 Pseudo-Recap & Comments - BEWARE OF SPOILERS & RAMPANT CONJECTURE

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Observations, cont'd.:

A twist that I wasn’t expecting was Na-gyeom's really being pregnant. I cast my imprecations on her long ago, to wit: that she either be barren, or bear no sons, only daughters. Did the Drama Gods hear my supplication?! * facepalm *

I was practically jumping up and down when Queen Dowager bulldozed past the “guards” who were “protecting” her, charged into the Not-So-Secret Pavilion that everyone seemed to know about, and verbally lit into Kang before he knew what hit him. Mom sashimi’d him where he stood. It not only literally saved Ja-hyun’s and Gi-teuk’s necks, but also explained why Kang was so screwed up in the first place. And it really threw him off his game. I’m sure that one reason why he lost the duel to Hwi was because he’d just been flattened by Hurricane Mom.

ASIDE: I was floored to see Hwi fighting like a bloodthirsty pirate instead of a “Kumbaya”-singing peacenik during the battle with the War Minister forces near the ambush point, and later one-on-one with Kang. It looked as if RSG trained him well. I especially like that little arm-in-arm back-to-back spin they did before they disengaged and he flipped his sword’s guard over Kang’s and used it to lever Hyung-nim’s weapon right out of his hand. That was downright elegant.

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Ep. 19 random thoughts:

Thank you very very much @pakalanapikake for your in-depth and entertaining pseudo-recaps. I was giggling even when I shouldn't at things like "Ja Hyun sighed". Because she sighs a lot!

In fact, I am 100% with you here: "I like how ruthlessly defensive she's become in her negotiation with Kang." When she pulled out an ANNE BOLEYN move saying "I WANT TO BE QUEEN, GET RID OF THAT SHREW" my jaw dropped to the floor along with Kang. In conclusion: my favourite Ja Hyun was Feisty Ja-Hyun. Unfortunately most of the time in this drama she was Sighing Ja-Hyun.

Commander Do: Dude, you rock!! I love to see the wheels spinning in his head, and how he never looses his cool.

Kang: I love me a smart villain. I was kind of fangirling with Na Gyum when he explained that he set a trap for the conspirators. Then I had a double shock when Hwi's Plan B was announced... "wait, Hwi has become... smart?"

To the three guys who only ever wanted meat and a comfy place to sleep: I'm sorry I never liked you before. I actually cried at their deaths. :'(

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I love that you call the nephew “kinglet” 😹😹😹

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Thank you, @hotcocoagirl.

There are way too many kings in this drama! To wit: (1) Dead Dad King (whom I don't think we ever saw; he was repeatedly referenced), (2) Dead Unnamed Hyungnim King, (3) Little Nephew King aka Wonja and Seja, and (4) King Kang.

I decided to go with "Kinglet" because it's a diminutive that conjures up a cute little kid, which is exactly what he was -- and it's less unwieldy than Abdicated King (he wasn't actually deposed). It felt weird to call him Myeong, especially as it took, me so long to catch on to his given name. ;-)

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@wishfultoki,

Continuing the discussion of the possible meanings of the grand princes' names that started with comment #62:

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As I looked up possible meanings, it struck me that Traitorous Uncle and Kang share syllables of their princely names, as do Hwi and Myeong. Interesting, especially when considering their respective temperaments, and the ways in which the uncles influence their nephews.

I suspect that Kang's name means "strong," based on his personality and constitution. Taking a stab in the dark, since we don't know the hanja.

GANG 刚, 冈 m Chinese
From Chinese 刚 (gāng) meaning "hard, rigid, strong", as well as other characters with a similar pronunciation.

https://www.behindthename.com/names/usage/chinese

In the list of Korean names on the same site, some are flagged as Sino-Korean. They suggest possible meanings for the grand princes' personal and official names:

https://www.behindthename.com/names/usage/korean

EUN 은, 恩, 銀 m & f Korean
From Sino-Korean 恩 (eun) meaning "kindness, mercy, charity" or 銀 (eun) meaning "silver, money", as well as other hanja characters which are pronounced in the same way. It usually occurs in combination with another character, though it is sometimes used as a stand-alone name.

SEONG-HO 성호, 成鎬, 盛晧 m Korean
From Sino-Korean 成 (seong) meaning "completed, finished, succeeded" or 盛 (seong) meaning "abundant, flourishing" combined with 鎬 (ho) meaning "stove, bright" or 晧 (ho) meaning "daybreak, bright". Many other hanja character combinations are possible.

SEONG-JIN 성진, 成震, 星鎭 m Korean
From ... 星 (seong) meaning "star, planet" combined with 鎭 (jin) meaning "town, marketplace" or 震 (jin) meaning "shake, tremor, excite"...

SEONG-MIN 성민, 成敏, 性旻 m & f Korean
From ... 性 (seong) meaning "nature, character, sex"...

SEONG-SU 성수, 成洙, 聖洙 m Korean
From ... 聖 (seong) meaning "holy, sacred"...

Kindness, mercy, charity or silver + abundant, flourishing or holy, sacred = Hwi / Eun-sung to a T.

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As for Kang / Jin-yang, 震 (jin) meaning "shake, tremor, excite" fits, but here's another possibility that I like better:

HYE-JIN 혜진, 慧珍, 惠珍 f Korean
From ... 珍 (jin) meaning "precious, rare"...

YANG   洋, 阳   m & f   Chinese
From Chinese 洋 (yáng) meaning "ocean" or 阳 (yáng) meaning "light, sun, male" (which is typically only masculine), as well as other Chinese characters pronounced similarly.

AN (1)   安   m & f   Chinese, Vietnamese
From Chinese 安 (ān) meaning "peace, quiet" or other characters with a similar pronunciation...

https://www.behindthename.com/names/usage/chinese

Traitorous Uncle's name was Yang-an. He was anything but peaceful.

Kinglet's name, Myeong, is reminiscent of his Uncle Hwi's:

MYEONG 숙, 明 m & f Korean
From Sino-Korean 明 (myeong) meaning "bright, light, clear" or other hanja characters with the same pronunciation. Although it does appear rarely as a single-character name, it is more often used in combination with another character.

His princely name, Seungpyung, bears some similarities, too. Here's an alternate transliteration:

BYEONG-HO   병호, 炳浩, 炳昊   m   Korean
From Sino-Korean 炳 (byeong) meaning "bright, luminous, glorious"...

Combined with “ho” it adds up to “bright, luminous daybreak” – the radiant dawn of a new day that was brought about by Uncle Hwi's “abundant kindness.”

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Aw, I like that meaning of Kinglet's name... impressive research @pakalanapikake! I don't know Korean or Chinese but Kang was mentioned several times to be "strong", so that goes with your interpretation of his name.

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Hi GRAND PRINCE fans @pakalanapikake, @hotcocoagirl, @wishfultoki, @kiara, @veeee, @rukia, @fatcat007.
Update on episode 20 recap.
@pakalanapikake wrote in OT#557 (June 24, 2018):

Plus I've got the ep. 20 recap for GRAND PRINCE that needs to be combined and edited from two drafts. Mental fatigue and too many finales & premieres had me run ragged. Really should finish it up for the sake of completion. ;-)

I just thought I would let you know.

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Thank you!

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Thank you! 😊

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I am looking forward to the GRAND PRINCE Grand Finale.

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